BPPLEE said:

The talk about him inheriting all his wealth is just because he's disliked. He's actually done quite well, Whether you like him or not

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What he actually inherited was a lot more than he admits to. If we go with the more accurate figure and assume he put it into real estate in the late 7O's, short changed his contractors, overpriced his properties and indulged in dodgy tax avoidance then even then, after all that, his increase in wealth is no more than what would be expected.

And as a businessman? How is it humanly possible to have a casino go bust? Twice! And we won't mention the dozen or so other failed companies.

essentialsaltes said:

Right-wing media escalate attacks on young women voters following Democratic election wins across the country​

A nice selection of pull-quotes following Tuesday's election.

Clay Travis: “They've all gone insane, young women are actually insane in this country”

Fox anchor Martha MacCallum on young women voting for Democrats: “I find that very frightening.”

Newsmax host Rob Schmitt: “Young women in this country have become a very scary demographic.”

Watters ranted: “You’re in a tiny apartment, and the apartment’s getting really expensive because all of these migrants are here now. And it's also expensive because of the Green New Deal, so your utilities are high, and you've got the wrong degree. You should have gotten a degree in, like, chemistry, biology, finance, computer science, something useful in this high-tech AI economy. No, but you got a degree in, like, Southeast Asian feminist literature.”

Fox host Will Cain: So, I've been asking this question for quite some time: What's wrong with white women?”

Newsmax’s Carl Higbie: “This is why I say liberal white women are the biggest threat to America — they will literally vote for their own destruction and take everyone down with them.”

Fortunately, they have a solution for this perfidy.

On Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade agreed with Fox Noticias host Rachel Campos-Duffy that the conservative movement should “encourage marriage early” to “get more conservative young women.”

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Not a way to win the women’s vote for next time.

Hans Blaster said:

It wasn't. You introduced "fitness" to the discussion.

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Might want to look back to @partinobodycular claims

Hans Blaster said:

It is quite to the point. You provided a source that did not back your claim, nor is it even relevant to the general claim about "morality and fitness".

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Nope, it doesn't have anything to do with the issue at hand.

Hans Blaster said:

I had to go back 2 days and 80 posts to find something resembling that. (And I ran into an invocation of the 3rd chapter of genisis first.) When I did find it it was about innate "objective" morality.

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Must have missed it.

Hans Blaster said:

There is no point to morality with out the cooperative nature of the human lifestyle. Non-social animals don't need a "morality".

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Sure, but the question is whether human morality is a univeral or if it is particular to specific social settings. For example, was the holocaust morally wrong or was it acceptable because it was legitimate in that social setting?

Hans Blaster said:

No "naturalistic falacy" nor is morality "grounded in evolution". Morality is no more grounded in evolution than air breathing, bipedalism, internal gestation, or cardiovascular systems, yet each are the product of evolution. Evolution is the process of change in living populations and the scientific frameworks that explain the process.

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Attempts to defend morality from an evolutionary heritage are clearly attempts to ground morality in evoltution, and are a clear example of the naturalistic fallacy. You may not be making that mistake, but several of your compatriots have.

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Evolution of social animals explains the need for organizing principles and why mental facilities like a "theory of mind" (the ability to build a model of what someone else's mental state, motivations, and intentions are), empathy, and sense of fairness might have "fitness" and be favored in populations. It are these evolved mental properties (instincts) of humans upon which we build our moral systems.

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Considering there is no current theory that adequately explains minds, it is quite the reach you are making here.

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What we "ought" to do depends on what we value that interacts with our base moral and social instincts.

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But are these universal, or do they only depend on the social setting we find ourselves in?

Hans Blaster said:

Even if someone else is making that claim, I am not. Fitness, as it would apply here is to the evolutionary benefit of having the basis for having moral opinions and the instincts that shape them. That does not make evolved moral bases grounded on "fitness". (It is a misuse of the term.)

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You may not be, but you entered into an ongoing discussion where that was the central contention. There are two separate issues, one that evolution is capable of explaining to a certain degree(behavioral factors) and one that it simply cannot, which is the more primitive question of how we establish and defend that things are moral rather than simply social conventions.

BCP1928 said:

Misogyny aside, there's some really weird stuff in that rant. How did the Green New Deal raise utility prices? It never even was a law. How did migrants raise rents?

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You act like these need to make some sort of sense.

My Presbyterian pastor was a prison chaplain for a while. He met some incarcerated conmen when he was there.

He commented "I wonder if there is salvation for con men! I really do!"

He added "They told so many lies that I wondered if they knew what the truth was themselves after a while".

They could be very convincing. He said they could sit on the other side of his desk and just about sell him the shoes off his own feet.

So "Is there salvation for conmen?"

Well, I don't know if that made total sense, because I don't really know what populism means. To be honest. But only because it's always used as a slur, and I can't trust slurrers.

...But I wish you'd try to understand what I see.