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rjs330 · 2025-07-18T21:55:45-0500

mark46 said:
and you and your friend pick the apples and be our waiter at our restaurants?

Are those the only jobs foreigners are good for? Why is it whenever this discussion is had that everyone starts talking about picking crops and making beds?

I actually dont believe rhat Americans won't do those jobs. Pay them a decent wage and make those that are out of work do those jobs instead of collecting unemployment.

Create a worker program where businesses can sponsor foreign workers to come and work. But then you'd have to pay them fair wages.

Hentenza · 2025-07-18T21:54:54-0500

Fantine said:
Wow, what a missed opportunity! If Trump had not been a bad role model, acting like a rebellious teenager in refusing to wear masks even where they were required; if he had not argued with and insulted the scientists who had spent their lives overcoming pandemics; if he had not pursued quack remedies like hydroxychloroquine and worse; if he had not held super-spreader events which killed one of his main supporters, Herman Cain, and almost killed Chris Christie; if he had acted presidentially instead of impulsively there wouldn't have been a tail end of it for Biden to ride on. TBT, I believe had Trump been reelected the pandemic might have killed another million Americans.

Non responsive. Nothing here addresses my post. As I stated in my post, not defending anyone just citing facts. You are welcomed to contend with the facts.

mark46 · 2025-07-18T21:52:33-0500

FreeinChrist said:
Not surprised considering this administration.

I don't understand why ANYONE is surprised.

Hoping2 · 2025-07-18T21:51:20-0500

stevevw said:
I am not sure what you mean.

I have found that most who usurp the title of priest are the servants of sin.

stevevw said:
Does 'minding the flock' include protecting from the wolves who teach a false doctrine. I thought the greatest threat to the church isn't the sinners out in the world but the wolves that come up within the church itself.

Yes, it does.
I think the greatest threat to the church is how false churches are portrayed as something God founded.
That ends up making God look responsible for all the "churchified" sin coming down the pike.

stevevw said:
Or pretend to be the church as opposed to Christ church. So they are not obviously pointed out through evil acts. But mimick the true church so that even the elect will be fooled.

See above.

stevevw said:
The teachings don't say the church must become political and take control back or impose the teachings or Gods Will onto the world.

Agreed.

stevevw said:
Pauls teachings and commands are about protecting the church from the outsde world coming in. Which makes sense because if the church was surrounded by a pagan culture and Jewish radicalism then they could in no way become winners in the world and will always be fighting.

That didn't make sense.
The church is still surrounded by pagan cultures, and is still supposed to win the world to Christ.

stevevw said:
But they can certainly stop this from coming into the church. That is why they had to hide and keep the church seperate and protected. That was Pauls biggest worry that the church would allow the wolves in after he went.

I don't know about "hiding" .

stevevw said:
So was Paul and Clement when it was needed. But Christ also was quiet and meek when he was accused of heresay while actually being the truth. This is why Peter says to be subject to masters and rulers even if they are unjust to you. That by your obedient and pure example that this itself without words will expose the injustice and turn people towards God through Christs example in them.

Then Clement should have qualified his words better.

stevevw said:
But when they do speak it should be well respected. But its the Christlike quiet and meek disposition that is a sign that the bishop is within Christ that they will be above reproach and their words will be aligned with Christs I think.

While everyone keeps imagining that the church is as bad as any criminal, that isn't likely to happen.

stevevw said:
Yes thats the idea and we see Paul sometimes say I am glad and happy that the church is doing well and following his teachings and example. But he becomes a different leader when they disobey his teachings lol.

Yeah.

stevevw said:
Yes but spiritually it was still known as the place of Christs borth and crucifixtion and resurrection and where the Holy Temple was which stood regardless for Gods people and Christs redemption and the place He will return.
As opposed to Rome which was the capital of the pagans and had the opposing Temples in Rome like the Pantheon. But it doesn't matter anyway.

OK.

stevevw said:
So you don't believe Peter was ever in Rome.

I have no scriptural proof he was ever there.

rjs330 · 2025-07-18T21:50:37-0500

mark46 said:
some would put affordable and accessible food, lodgings and health care higher on our list of priorities

Food is more plentiful and cheaper here than most parts of the world. Its plenty affordable. Yes we had some serious inflation and that does affect people. But no one is starving in the US. There is a TON of assistance here.

Housing is another matter all together. It IS expensive. But I dont know of any way for the government to get involved to lower costs unless they wanted to eliminate building fees.

Healthcare, yeah that's expensive. Too expensive in my book.

mark46 said:
some would put treating others with kindness and dignity higher

You can treat others with kindness and dignity without allowing them to break rhe law and create lots of problems.

Feed them, water them, give them necessary health care, then send them home, encouraging them to come back the legal way.

mark46 said:
and yes, some would be selfish enough to put higher the need to have workers available in our hotels and restaurants and to pick our food each season.

If that truly is a NEED, that we NEED foreign workers to come and work in our hotels and pick our food then we should create a program for that which makes it easier to some and do.

mark46 · 2025-07-18T21:48:41-0500

rjs330 said:
Dont care. You aren't here legally. You are illegal. Go back to your countey and come here legally. This is what happens when people come illegally.

and you and your friend pick the apples and be our waiter at our restaurants?

Hentenza · 2025-07-18T21:46:15-0500

Bradskii said:
Hey, we can all chew gum and pass gas at the same time. But you're currently in the political section of the forum as you read this, dealing with specifically US politics. Deal with it.

Am thankful that I don’t live in your brain.

ETA: thats based on your penchant for bodily functions.

Hentenza · 2025-07-18T21:45:20-0500

The U.S. Department of State (DOS) plans to destroy a reserve of artificial contraceptives that was previously set aside for distribution in developing countries through foreign aid programs.

The stockpile, including birth control pills, condoms, and long-term implantable contraceptives, is worth more than $12 million.

A senior State Department official confirmed to CNA that officials had concerns that some of the nongovernmental organizations previously contracted to distribute contraceptives may have participated in programs that performed coercive abortion or involuntary sterilization.

According to the official, the DOS is destroying the products to comply with President Donald Trump’s executive order to reinstate the Mexico City Policy, which bans taxpayer funding of organizations that promote abortion and forced sterilization abroad.

State Department will destroy contraceptives earmarked for foreign aid programs

The State Department plans to destroy a reserve of artificial contraceptives that was previously set aside for distribution in developing countries through aid programs.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

The Guardian is a rabid far left tabloid so I thought to get another perspective from the one in the previous post.

Learning always · 2025-07-18T21:44:52-0500

Grasshopper elegantly navigates empty room

WSNSP

PloverWing · 2025-07-18T21:44:36-0500

Congratulations on the birth of your baby!

Your life will probably be a sleep-deprived fog for the next couple of months, and then things will get better as the baby starts sleeping for long stretches at night. As I recall, my prayer life for those first couple of months was chiefly "Please, God, let the baby fall asleep!"

God sees it all, and loves you. Be gentle with yourselves. You may be able to do some Bible reading at 4am while you're feeding the baby. But if you can't, because you haven't slept in a week, then okay. In a few months, when the baby is sleeping more regularly, you'll be able to return to your regular spiritual practices.

I'm not sure what you mean by a rigid schedule. My advice is the opposite, to be as flexible in your schedule as you can. The demands of work schedules are what they are. But for everything else, be prepared to eat meals or take showers or do the laundry at odd hours, because newborns have their own idea of time. Hang on. It'll get easier.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-07-18T21:43:07-0500

RileyG said:
Not to ramble on, but I wonder if the pandemic had anything to do with it? Since then, so many people have been changing their habits in everyday life.

I dont think so. I think it is mostly a cultural shift. Just like how the internet is killing newspapers, YouTube, TikTok, and other social media platforms are

Bradskii · 2025-07-18T21:37:41-0500

Hentenza said:
Some folks here should charge Trump rent for living in their brains 24/7. There is more to life than bitterness.

Hey, we can all chew gum and pass gas at the same time. But you're currently in the political section of the forum as you read this, dealing with specifically US politics. Deal with it.

rjs330 · 2025-07-18T21:37:06-0500

wing2000 said:
Yea, that's reasonable. Ask a 20 year old to go back to a country they never knew and wait 8 years to get their green card.

Dont care. You aren't here legally. You are illegal. Go back to your countey and come here legally. This is what happens when people come illegally.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-07-18T21:36:31-0500

Michie said:
Woke late night hosts have revived their tired anti-Trump jokes as he begins his second presidency - and viewers are already bored.

'Today is Martin Luther King Jr. Day, and like Martin Luther King, I also had a dream,' Seth Meyers said on the set of NBC's Late Night. 'I mean, it had to be a dream, right? It's too weird to be real.'

Over on ABC Jimmy Kimmel told viewers 'Today at noon Eastern, our long, national nightmare was officially sworn in... a second time.'

Jimmy Fallon, meanwhile, mockingly donning a Melania Trump-styled hat, elicited a mix of boos and cheers at the mere mention of Trump's name.

'After this we're going to play who wore it better, me, Melania, or the Hamburglar,' Fallon said of the head covering. The McDonald's gag had been making the rounds on social media for hours by that time, with few who watched likely to be amused by Fallon's stale observation.

He then joked, 'We're all united, that's great to know' - before likening Trump's second term to Netflix's 'Squid Game.'

Stephen Colbert, the top dog in a fading field, told his unhappy attendees, 'Don't boo - vote,' before adding, And if possible, do that several months ago.'

Continued below.

Bleak future for late night hosts with tired old Trump gags

Fed-up viewers slammed late night hosts for wheeling out anti-Trump gags last seen eight years ago.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Stephen Colbert's 'Late Show' canceled by CBS, ends May 2026

The most recent ratings from Nielsen show Colbert gaining viewers so far this year and winning his timeslot among broadcasters, with about 2.417 million viewers across 41 new episodes.

www.pbs.org

Go woke, get broke.

Bradskii · 2025-07-18T21:36:13-0500

And it's not just food: Trump administration to destroy nearly $10m of contraceptives for women overseas

'Trump administration to destroy nearly $10m of contraceptives for women overseas.

As part of president’s end to foreign aid, destruction of the long-acting contraceptives will cost US taxpayers $167,000

The Trump administration has decided to destroy $9.7m worth of contraceptives rather than send them abroad to women in need.
A state department spokesperson confirmed that the decision had been made – a move that will cost US taxpayers $167,000. The contraceptives are primarily long-acting, such as IUDs and birth control implants, and were almost certainly intended for women in Africa, according to two senior congressional aides, one of whom visited a warehouse in Belgium that housed the contraceptives.'

This isn't just politically or even morally wrong. It's bordering on evil.

RileyG · 2025-07-18T21:35:53-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
I agree, and I agree with the article that suggest that younger viewers generally prefer online highlights. Many late night shows are being canceled, and many late night hosts (both conservative and liberal) are being cut. What bothers me is how liberals are politicizing this and threaten more investigations against Trump.

Not to ramble on, but I wonder if the pandemic had anything to do with it? Since then, so many people have been changing their habits in everyday life.

RileyG · 2025-07-18T21:34:42-0500

BassLine said:
Or for people like me who can barely talk at 8 am.

As a night person, I relate

Oompa Loompa · 2025-07-18T21:34:38-0500

RileyG said:
Nothing lasts forever.

I agree, and I agree with the article that suggest that younger viewers generally prefer online highlights. Many late night shows are being canceled, and many late night hosts (both conservative and liberal) are being cut. What bothers me is how liberals are politicizing this and threaten more investigations against Trump.

Hentenza · 2025-07-18T21:34:02-0500

Some folks here should charge Trump rent for living in their brains 24/7. There is more to life than bitterness.

RileyG · 2025-07-18T21:33:50-0500

ozso said:
The idea Obama is promoting is the same as the video. Children supposedly need LGBTQ+ influence to learn "empathy" and be a better person in general. LGBTQ+ is nurturing to children.

I don’t disagree.

Let children be children.

Sexuality and who someone sleeps with is for ADULTS ONLY.

Period!

Hoping2 · 2025-07-18T21:33:33-0500

fli said:
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. NKJV
Galatians 2:11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. NKJV
Because Paul wrote the above, I got the idea that sanctification was a lifetime process. I really thought as long as we were in the flesh God still had more to sins to put to death.

You were mistaken.
We are sanctified by the blood of Christ: the fulfilment of the OT's blood sanctifications.
We do however, grow in grace and knowledge.
Paul's Rom 7 experience is a recollection of his days still in the flesh, wherein he unsuccessfully tried to please God with Law keeping.
And where is the sin in condescending to Jewish visitors ?
Peter's fault was his mistaken belief that the Law still held some sort of power over a man.

fli said:
John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men, 25 and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man. NKJV
Jesus also knew that the man was not one of His. He did not come to Jesus to find his savior.

Perhaps.

fli said:
Romans 7:19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. NKJV
Since Paul was still practicing sin, he must have been in Satan's kingdom.

This is Paul's narrative of his preconversion life in the flesh. (Rom 7:5)
When he wrote it, he was living life in the Spirit.

fli said:
So why did God grant him repentance?

The quick answer, is that he had faith.

RileyG · 2025-07-18T21:32:22-0500

Fantine said:
The people of Mexican heritage I interact with are almost all Catholics. And as a Catholic, I will state unequivocally that it's the Republican Party that is most at odds with the Catholic Church. Pope Francis and Pope Leo have both had extremely harsh words of criticism for Trump's policies.

Yes, there are conservative Catholic organizations like "Catholic Vote" who say one must vote for the candidate, no matter how evil the other 99% of their policies are, who alleges he is anti-abortion, but that is no longer preached from the pulpit. Perhaps the reality of who they were de-facto endorsing was so appalling they couldn't bring themselves to do so.

The Mexicans I know are bonding together to protect one another, and "allies" are helping. I am planning on getting a notary certification so I can certify custodial and financial power of attorney forms in case they are dragged away in chains while their children are at school.

There is only one Mexican-American I know who came through the proper channels. She came from a wealthy family and married a corporate executive. Oh, I do know a Salvadoran family who got refugee status because he was part of the Army of the overthrown government. The rest of the citizens can trace their backgrounds to ancestors who were undocumented but were part of the Reagan amnesty---and so if they criticize today's immigrants, they are hypocrites.

And now there is no line. The "line" has been replaced by $5 million down payments.

I wouldn’t say either party represents the Church, as a Catholic. Political parties are indeed very divisive, in my humble opinion.

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