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Hentenza · 2025-12-01T19:02:38-0600

Hi. Welcome to CF. It’s easier if you download the Bible app to your phone and then use headphones to listen to it. The link below is of the Bible app that I have in my iPhone and it has the feature to listen to the Bible.

Bible App - App Store

Download Bible by Life.Church on the App Store. See screenshots, ratings and reviews, user tips, and more games like Bible.

apps.apple.com

Hope this helps . :wave:

Vambram · 2025-12-01T19:02:03-0600

Say it aint so said:
Since we are all concerned with fraud within the HHS. Can anyone name the largest case of fraud given HHS?

Largest Justice Department Health Care Fraud Takedown in History More than Doubles Prior Record of $6 Billion
The Justice Department today announced the results of its 2025 National Health Care Fraud Takedown, which resulted in criminal charges against 324 defendants, including 96 doctors, nurse practitioners, pharmacists, and other licensed medical professionals, in 50 federal districts and 12 State Attorneys General’s Offices across the United States, for their alleged participation in various health care fraud schemes involving over $14.6 billion in intended loss. The Takedown involved federal and state law enforcement agencies across the country and represents an unprecedented effort to combat health care fraud schemes that exploit patients and taxpayers.

I do realize they are not Somalians, nor are they Muslim. But it makes them look like rank armatures.

I'm sure they have a Trump Pardon coming in the mail.

There won't be a pardon. They will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

NxNW · 2025-12-01T18:57:34-0600

Just because Trump's FBI director and Vice President both wear women's clothing is no reason to jump to conclusions.

Bob Crowley · 2025-12-01T18:53:52-0600

I've got a DVD of Bishop Fulton Sheen. I thinnk it was shot in 8mm camera as it was a long time ago.

But in one of his segments he told about an singer / actress he met in London. I can't think of the full story now, but she was displayed on a billboard close to where he was staying. She also had a mixed up private life.

But sometime after talking to him she became a nun, and he inducted her into religious life.

I don't know who she was as he didn't give her name, but she was apparently well known in London theatrical circles at least.

Hentenza · 2025-12-01T18:51:24-0600

BobRyan said:
Matt 10:28 says that what you just described is accurate for the first death but is totally off in the case of the second death where "Both body AND SOUL" are destroyed in fiery hell. Your statement above would delete Matt 10:28 and make the first and second death , the same,

Instead of that Jesus Himself contrasts the first and second death using those terms as pointed out in my prior post here.

Matt 10:
"28 Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; (first death)
but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (called second death in Rev 20).

This verse seems to back up your theory, however, only if you define apollumi as destroy completely rather than ruined or lost which are all correct definitions. For example, apollumi is used to describe the condition of wine skins that burst in Matt. 9:17. Obviously the wine skins were not destroyed completely but ruined to the point of not longer being able to be used as designed.

Secondly, the second death depicted in Rev. 20 reinforces the definition of appolumi as ruined because those not found in the book of life are thrown in the same lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will suffer eternity in torment. Why would the fate of the wicked be any different? Nowhere does it teach that the wicked will be annihilated but the beast and the false prophet will not.

“And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20‬:‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020

And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

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NxNW · 2025-12-01T18:50:41-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Hey, when it comes to fraud, it is an equal opportunity endeavor. But when DOGE wanted to deal with the fraud in the government, liberals wanted nothing to do with it.

They made false reports of fraud, but didn't find any.

Oompa Loompa said:
When Trump wanted to deal with the fraud in social security and Medicare, liberals fought against it.

He didn't find any.

Oompa Loompa said:
When conservatives wanted to target voter fraud, liberals called it an attack on our democracy.

They never found any.

Oompa Loompa said:
Want to talk about Nanci Pelosi's insider trading scheme?

There was no scheme.

Oompa Loompa said:
I would guess not. So you are free to have your opinion, but the last thing conservatives are concerned about is another liberal complaining about fraud.

I'm waiting for conservatives to actually reduce fraud instead of committing it.

CTB777 · 2025-12-01T18:47:44-0600

Can anyone help me with getting the bible on SD card or on something that I can listen to the Bible with head phones, MP3 player perhaps?

I'm useless when it comes to computers and gadgets so keep that in mind when dealing with me

Say it aint so · 2025-12-01T18:44:28-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
It was Al Shabab.

There is no proof of that. There are no investigative claims that is where the money went other than to the fraudsters.

CTB777 · 2025-12-01T18:43:52-0600

Hello Brothers and sisters

New to this forum. It will come in handy for the future if I have questions to ask or things on my mind or if I want to educate myself.

First off ( I will make another topic about this but I might as well ask here too) Can anyone help me with getting the bible on SD card or on something that I can listen to the Bible with head phones, MP3 player perhaps?

I'm useless when it comes to computers and gadgets so keep that in mind when dealing with me

Say it aint so · 2025-12-01T18:43:17-0600

Since we are all concerned with fraud within the HHS. Can anyone name the largest case of fraud given HHS?

Largest Justice Department Health Care Fraud Takedown in History More than Doubles Prior Record of $6 Billion

The Justice Department today announced the results of its 2025 National Health Care Fraud Takedown, which resulted in criminal charges against 324 defendants, including 96 doctors, nurse practitioners, pharmacists, and other licensed medical professionals, in 50 federal districts and 12 State Attorneys General’s Offices across the United States, for their alleged participation in various health care fraud schemes involving over $14.6 billion in intended loss. The Takedown involved federal and state law enforcement agencies across the country and represents an unprecedented effort to combat health care fraud schemes that exploit patients and taxpayers.

I do realize they are not Somalians, nor are they Muslim. But it makes them look like rank armatures.

I'm sure they have a Trump Pardon coming in the mail.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-01T18:43:01-0600

Say it aint so said:
There is no proof of that.

It was Al Shabab.

BasedLutheran · 2025-12-01T18:41:14-0600

rambot said:
statistically, it's more likely to come from your own family or your family members friends.

Watch out for THEM instead.

Statistically, letting rapists and gangbangers into the country who would not have been there before, increases the chance of citizens of that country becoming victims of rapists and gangbangers.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-01T18:40:39-0600

rambot said:
It's fascinating that Conservatives in America are concerned about frauds perpetuated by people with dark coloured skin.

And, despite ALL The white collar fraud perpetuated against Americans by the super rich, you go after the browns. Starting thread after thread and threatenning to start thread after thread.

The rich are leading you guys around like.....

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So long as you focus on the dirty brown people you don't notice the billions going to the rich. In fact, you also only seem to prosecute and attack things related to dems.

It's just so very sad. There is just no integrity in the argument.

Do you prefer THIS kind of fraud?

Pffft. You didn't read those articles. Why should anyone else?

Hey, when it comes to fraud, it is an equal opportunity endeavor. But when DOGE wanted to deal with the fraud in the government, liberals wanted nothing to do with it. When Trump wanted to deal with the fraud in social security and Medicare, liberals fought against it. When conservatives wanted to target voter fraud, liberals called it an attack on our democracy. When conservatives tried to deal with immigration fraud, leave it to liberals to call it "racist." Want to talk about Nanci Pelosi's insider trading scheme? I would guess not. So you are free to have your opinion, but the last thing conservatives are concerned about is another liberal complaining about conservatives going after fraud.

comana · 2025-12-01T18:39:41-0600

Valletta said:
"President Trump is the President of Peace. As President, he has brokered peace between Azerbaijan and Armenia, Cambodia and Thailand, Israel and Iran, Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, India and Pakistan, Egypt and Ethiopia, Serbia and Kosovo, and with the Abraham Accords."

President Trump Brokers Another Historic Peace Deal

Today, President Donald J. Trump hosted Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev and Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan at the White House, where the two

www.whitehouse.gov

"Charlie Sheen bemoaned his father Martin Sheen’s choice to attack President Donald Trump right when the president’s Gaza peace plan was getting firmed up last month."

Charlie Sheen Criticizes Dad Martin for Attacking Trump After Gaza Peace Deal: ‘Read the Room’ | Video

Charlie Sheen lamented his father's choice to attack Donald Trump right when the Israel peace deal was getting announced last month.

ca.news.yahoo.com

Trump nominated a third time for Nobel Peace Prize

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/518842-trump-nominated-a-third-time-for-nobel-peace-prize/

'President of peace': Trump tapped for Nobel Prize amid talks to end Russia-Ukraine war

House GOP representatives nominate Donald Trump for Nobel Peace Prize, citing his efforts to end the Russia-Ukraine war and other diplomatic achievements.

www.foxnews.com

I would love to hear Trump give a coherent summary of the history of any one of these conflicts, to include sociopolitical reasons for the conflicts, that he supposedly “brokered “. I would also love to buy the winning powerball ticket. And let’s be honest, the winning powerball ticket is the more likely of the two.

Vambram · 2025-12-01T18:37:42-0600

rambot said:
It's fascinating that Conservatives in America are concerned about frauds perpetuated by people with dark coloured skin.

And, despite ALL The white collar fraud perpetuated against Americans by the super rich, you go after the browns. Starting thread after thread and threatenning to start thread after thread.

The rich are leading you guys around like.....

View attachment 373877

So long as you focus on the dirty brown people you don't notice the billions going to the rich. In fact, you also only seem to prosecute and attack things related to dems.

It's just so very sad. There is just no integrity in the argument.

Do you prefer THIS kind of fraud?

Pffft. You didn't read those articles. Why should anyone else?

I did read the articles. Clearly you didn't and you clearly really don't seem to care about fraud.

Say it aint so · 2025-12-01T18:32:38-0600

Always in His Presence said:
For Al-Qaida members living in Somalia.

There is no proof of that.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-01T18:30:10-0600

rambot said:
I asked you a question....so no..i wouldn't be saying anything.

It's telling you're unwilling to answer so simple of a question.

Take that self awareness with you.

Then your question is irrelevant to the topic.

Hentenza · 2025-12-01T18:28:25-0600

BobRyan said:
It is talking about the destruction of eternal fire, the fate of those that are to be subjected to the "punishment of eternal fire" as Jude also points out. hence the reason why I started with this verse, I use actual exegesis to show how this concept is more fully addressed by related texts of scripture. Jude explicitly links the two events together.

So unless you are determined to get out the scissors when reading Jude as he connects Sodom and Gomorrah to the future destruction of the wicked, you have a problem there and simply telling us "not to look" is not a very compelling solution

hint. IT is called exegesis. We take a single topic and allow scripture to inform us on that topic even if it is not in the same chapter.

Hint: you can’t just associate verses together just because you want to. Exegesis requires much more hermeneutical elements including the various contexts and word studies. Just because you call it exegesis doesn’t mean that it is one.

For one, the verse in Matt. 25 is talking about the accursed people going into the eternal fire.

““Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you accursed people, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭41‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you accursed people, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you accursed people, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels

bible.com

The verse in Jude speaks of the city with the people, “they”, and it also includes the sins that resulted in their eternal punishment just as in the verse in Matthew.

“just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in sexual perversion and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1‬:‭7‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Jude 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in sexual perversion and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NA

just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in sexual perversion and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing

bible.com

However, the verse in 2 Peter speaks strictly of the cities not the people. Notice that the cities are destroyed BY reducing them to ashes. No mention of the people in this verse.

“and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example of what is coming for the ungodly;”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2‬:‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

2 Peter 2:6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example of what is coming for the ungodly | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example of what is coming for the ungodly

bible.com

Your “exegesis” failed. It is important that language become part of a proper exegesis.

FaithT · 2025-12-01T18:25:56-0600

Tom D said:
I believe it's a symbol of Our Lady, who was a descendant of people with original sin, but was free from origin sin herself.

Ok. I don’t think the Lotus flower is a symbol of anyone. It’s just a flower.

MarcusGregor · 2025-12-01T18:20:00-0600

White House says admiral ordered follow-up strike on alleged drug boat, insists attack was lawful

The White House says a Navy admiral ordered a second strike on an alleged drug boat in the Caribbean Sea and insists the September attack that has come under bipartisan scrutiny was lawful.

apnews.com

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-01T18:19:26-0600

I rolled boxcars, the Flat Earthers are destroyed.

keras · 2025-12-01T18:15:32-0600

eclipsenow said:
It turns out that is EXACTLY what you have done!

It ain't over until the fat lady sings.

Expect amazing and earth shaking things to happen before Jesus Returns. It's unfortunate that most people have no knowledge of God's intentions, all as Written in the Bible; but hidden from their understanding.

Dan Perez · 2025-12-01T18:12:30-0600

Dave... said:
It means that It was only a promise until it actually happened. Physical Israel is a OT type of spiritual Israel. Esau is physical Israel. Jacob is spiritual Israel. Spiritual Israel is elect "in Christ" only. All those in spiritual Israel are "in Christ" as a result of faith and then they become elect with Jesus. Jesus is the One elect. We become elect when we are placed in Him, per Eph. 1:1-14. We are placed in Him when we receive the Holy Spirit indwelling as a result of faith always (Eph. 1:13-14). With the Holy Spirit indwelling we are In Christ, without the indwelling we are not in Christ (Romans 8:9-10). Paul said "we" are the first fruits of the Spirit, meaning the firstfruits of the indwelling (Romans 8:23), the baptism with the Holy Spirit Jesus promised when He, Jesus was lifted up, the promise of the Father, the Holy Spirit, which is part of the promises that those in Hebrews died having not received. OT believers were not in Christ, thus they were not elect except by promise until Pentecost, when they were placed into Christ. All they had was a promise that was to come. They were all still in Adam, yet God knew them already. All that the Father gives me I shall not lose one of them. The Sheep. This is who Romans 8:29 is speaking of. These were already known by God, He predestined them to be conformed to the image of His Son (starts when places in Him), those He called with the Gospel message.... None had yet ascended until the cross because they were not yet "in Christ" and born again (John 3:1-14).

And you put a lot on my PLATE and I will begin with The sheep in Rom 8:29. and does NOT in any way say SHEEP

and 1 COR 12:13 we care BAPTIZED // PLACED into one BODY. whether Jews or Greeks

Notice also verse 15 we. are his foot

In. verse we are his EAR

And. we are HIS sense of SMELL and that. on earth we are CHRIST and had to leave and will be back. on. TUESDAY. !!

dan p

Always in His Presence · 2025-12-01T18:09:31-0600

Guojing said:
If you really want my answer, you would mention them again.

If not, we can move on.

Have a great night -

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