Bradskii said:

Just because you can't accurately predict something doesn't mean it isn't determinate.

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? Something that is not accurately predictable is indeterminate, by definition.

Bradskii said:

'More importantly, many in popular science confuse deterministic chaos with stochastic behavior. The three-body problem is a deterministic system with nonperiodic orbits for a class of initial conditions.' https://mikeharrisny.medium.com/misconceptions-about-the-three-body-problem-and-its-relation-to-forecasting-c0c0a2bf44cc#:~:text=The three-body problem is,at least we hope so.

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This article is written in 2017 by a stock trader (btw selling his software) claiming Wall Street is not a random walk. He's partly right but also wrong.


As a trader in the 90's, I developed software using Bayesian logic to find patterns of price movements that statistically indicated predictable outcomes. The patterns that I mined from the historical data offered only probable future outcomes, not determined outcomes. Like human behavior, future prices always have some stochastic variables at play not evidenced in the historical data. At best, my program could predict the price direction (+ or -) with some confidence but not the magnitude with any confidence. Sounds now like quantum indeterminacy.

Predicting prices in the stock market is child's play when compared to predicting human behavior. Deterministic chaos is indistinguishable from stochastic error.

Bradskii said:

Chaotic systems are ones that show strong sensitivity to initial conditions. Due to this sensitivity, they display apparent randomness, but in fact, chaotic systems are deterministic with underlying patterns.' https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/three-body-problem

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The author's leap from "apparent randomness" to "chaotic deterministic" is not supported by logic or evidence. Like your other citation, this author also only "hopes" that is true.

Bradskii said:

This is schoolyard level 'debate'.

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Using high school debating tactics (strawmen and ad hominems) rather than arguing does not become you. Do stop.

Eternally Grateful said:

No Judas was not saved,

jesus in John 6 called him not only an unbeliever, but of the devil.

Nice try though..

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Yes he was saved called a sheep as the other 11 in Matthew 10, sent to the lost sheep, given power to cast out devils, heal and other things, had the Spirit of the Father speaking in him as they all were promised Matthew 10:20, was of Jesus household, was a familiar friend of Jesus whom he once trusted (Jesus doesn’t trust devils or call them friends) and then he betrayed Jesus (to betray means to go against the trust you once had). Then he fell by transgression in Acts 1 and was blotted out of the book of life (Psalm 69 reference in Acts) and no longer written with the righteous, the book has the righteous in it. Jesus also blessed all when he sent them out and told them not to rejoice that the devils are subject to them but that their names were written in heaven Luke 10:20

The verse (John 6::71) that sone wrongly try to use to say Judas was “always” a devil is not accurate. Near the end of Jesus ministry Judas fell not at the beginning. He once belonged to the Father and was given to Jesus then was lost and became a child of the devil.

In John 6, when it says he spoke of Judas who “should” (future tense), betray him is telling.

John 6: 71. He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.”

So, there is no denying the clear words in Matthew 10 at the beginning of Judas ministry which he had part of as the others. It even says that Jesus called into him his twelve disciples. It doesn’t say he called into him “his” eleven and one devil. No he called all twelve his sheep sent to the lost sheep and he ordained all twelve . To be called an apostle is a sent one.

Matthew 10: 1. And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease... 5. These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel…16. Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”

Acts 1: 25. That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.”

How do you fall unless you were not fallen before. He fell by transgression he was not always fallen.

I would say “nice try” to you but your answer was not even a revelatory response according to scripture.

A believer a saint, a heavenly son can be with Gid then fall away and end up in the lake of fire, as scripture clearly shows.

And we haven’t even talked of elect,perfect angels who fell and will go to the lake of fire. Peter uses them as a warning for us and said;

2 Peter 2: 4. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”

Adam was a son of God before he fell (Luke 3:38 KJV) and when he fell he died spiritually and had to be born again.

Luke 3: 38. Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”

The US meaning is the establishment clause, which, as explained in the initial posts, means there is no Federally supported denomination in the US. There isn't a Church of the United States supported by tax dollars. That didn't stop congress for giving tariff relief to a bible society, likely because the bibles could be used by all Christian denominations and thus wasn't setting up a particular one. Note that this isn't the same as the bible authorized under the Articles of Confederation, Once had a link to both instances, which took place after ratification of the US Constitution.

I suspect the church services held each Sunday in US government buildings in DC also didn't favor a particular denomination. The largest worship service in the US for a long time was the service held at the US Capitol Building. The US Marine Corp used to provide music until some complained it didn't set the right atmosphere.

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I am very serious as I was not taught that the Church is the bride.

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That was the shortage of those who didn't see this or at least never told you.
You are still on your journey into truth, as I. Don't repeat thier neglect.

Marilyn C said:

The eternal Purposes of God are very profound and to be seriously looked at. So, I am not being flippant here.

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Good, because our destination is with the New Jerusalem - the bride. (I'll return to Ephesians in a moment).

And I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. (Rev. 21:2)

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come! And let him who hears say, Come! And let him who is thirsty come; let him who wills take the water of life freely. (Rev. 22:17)

Do not think Christ is going to marry a golden mountain 1,500 miles high made with precious gems.
It is a SIGN (Rev. 1:1). It is the redeemed people - sanctified, transformed, conformed, resurrected, transfigured and glorifed, built up together that is His wife.

Ephesians 5 definitely speaks of this destiny that comes out of Christ as her source and is brought back to Christ as His loving counterpart.

Husbands, love your wives even as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her
that He might sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing of the water in the word,
that He might present the church to Himself glorious, not having spot or wrinkle or any such things, but that she would be holy and without blemish. (Eph. 5:25-27)

If you miss this significance of marriage thinking Paul is just telling husbands and wives how to behave, you really miss the point.
Human marriage is not the real marriage. It is a shadow of the real marriage. The real joining of Christ with the church is the
reality to which human marriage is pointing.

How Paul speaks of Christ's santifying the church washing away oldness, wrinkles, spots, defects with the rhema of His word
is also Christ's own mighty petition to His Father in John 17.

And I do not ask concerning these only, but concerning those also who believe into Me through their word,
That they all may be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me.

And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are one;
I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them even as You have loved Me. (John 17:20-23)

Marilyn C said:

As you said the book of Ephesians is dedicated to the Church. We read in the first four chapters of the doctrine of the church the New Man. Then Paul goes on in chapters 5 & 6 to EXHORT people - wives, husbands, children, bondservants as to obeying and submitting to the Lord. This is NOT doctrine but exhortations. Doctrine is NOT based on exhortations. You have only given one scripture for this belief, and it is an exhortation.

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There is exhortation here also - Therefore remember that once you, the Gentiles in the flesh, . . . (Eph. 2:11)
We should for this exhortation's sake miss the larger burden.

So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
Being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone;

In whom all the building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord;
In whom you also are being built together into a dwelling place of God in spirit. (vs. 19-22)

There is exhortation here also - Therefore I ask you not to faint at my afflictions for your sake, since they are your glory. (3:13)
We should so regard the request of the apostle as to ignore the larger burden.
That in Christ Jesus the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the Body . . . (v. 6a)

There is exhortion in connection with the household of God and the Body (chs. 2,3)
There is exhortation in chapter 4 as well - This therefore I say and testify in the Lord, that you no longer walk as the Gentiles also walk in the vanity of their mind, (4:17)

Surrounding this embeded exhortation is revelation concerning the Body of Christ.
One Body and one Spirit, even as also you were called in one hope of your calling; (v.4)
For the perfecting of the saints unto the work of the ministry, unto the building up of the Body of Christ, (v. 12)
Out from whom all the Body, being joined together and being knit together through every joint of the rich supply and through the operation in the measure of each one part, causes the growth of the Body unto the building up of itself in love. (v.16)

As well as speaking of the Body in this chapter Paul also speaks of the growth of God in the church
to eventually produce a full-grown man. Until we all arrive at the oneness of the faith and of the full knowledge of the Son of God, at a full-grown man, at the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, (v. 13)

There is exhortation to not lie anymore and controling the temper - Therefore having put off the lie, speak truth each one with his neighbor, for we are members one of another. Be angry, yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your indignation, (vs. 25,26)
We should not let the exhortation overshadow the matter of the saints putting on "the new man."
And put on the new man, which was created according to God in righteousness and holiness of the reality. (v. 24)


In the same manner, embedded in the revelation of the Christ as the Husband to His wife the church is mentioned some
practical exhortation.

Wives, be subject to your husbands . . . ; (5:22)
Husbands, love your wives . . . (v. 25)
How can we miss his explanation of the mystery of Eve being taken from Adam and brought back to Adam for marriage?

Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her that He might sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing of the water in the word, That He might present the church to Himself glorious, not having spot or wrinkle or any such things, but that she would be holy and without blemish. (25b-27)

For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall be one flesh.
This mystery is great, but I speak with regard to Christ and the church. (Eph. 5:31,32)

Marilyn C said:

And personally why do you want to `marry` the Lord, or why does He want to marry millions of men and women? What is the reason?

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Corporately it is the destination - the destiny of every redeemed human being to be a part of this great corporate marriage of Christ
and His people.

God used the practical human need of marriage as a type of the great reality of the joining together for eternity of
Christ and His billions of redeemed saints.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and the sea is no more.
And I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. (Rev. 21:1,2)

Come here; I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.
And he carried me away in spirit onto a great and high mountain and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God. . . (9b-11a)

And I heard a loud voice out of the throne, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His peoples, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. (v. 3)

So you see the living habitation of God and the living temple of God is God's dwelling place and also
Christ's bride and wife.

So we ought to cultivate this divine love for Him because this is going to be our eternal enjoyment.
You ought not to imagine the imperfections of natural human matrimony so as they cloud your vision.

AlexB23 said:

Yeah, Jesus had a lot of fire in His sermons. We need more lion-hearted preachers in 2024, real badly. So many preachers soften up scripture, and are lukewarm.

Check this one out from Matthew 23:23, by the Man himself, Jesus:

Matthew 23:23 (NIV): "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former."

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So true. I've seen some, but their churches tend to be small. Sometimes mine has less than 40 on a Sunday morn. A big service is 65. Preachers like Billy Sunday, George Whitefield, Jonathan Edwards, etc, preached to thousands at a time, and a few hundred in their churches. keep in mind also the population of their cities was much smaller than today.

There is actually old video and recording of Billy Sunday,
I like what it says around 1:50. It says "when Billy Sunday faced a congregation he didn't orate, speak, or preach, he EXPLODED!"
The first video is pretty clear, later on it's hard to hear what he's saying, I mean exploding, Note the crowds aren't just a few people.

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Is the book of Job allegorical, or an actual event recorded as history?
Ezekiel 14:14
Even if these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they would deliver only themselves by their righteousness,” says the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 14:20
then as surely as I live, declares the Lord GOD, even if Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, they could not deliver their own sons or daughters. Their righteousness could deliver only themselves.

God, lists Job, among righteous Noah, and Daniel.
God himself declared Job as a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil. Job 1:8

James 5:11
Behold, we count blessed those having persevered. You have heard of the perseverance of Job, and you have seen the outcome from the Lord, that the Lord is full of compassion and is merciful.

The faithful disciple James, wrote to the congregation of the example of Job, which highlights the compassion and mercy of God.

Neither God, not his servants consider Job fictional.
If we do, we need to adjust our thinking, to be in line wih God's.

What about taking symbolism, or allegorical passages as literal? Some do this. So, it's important to look at these also.
Are the rich man and Lazarus the beggar real characters or allegorical?

Luke 15:1-32
1 Then all the tax collectors and the sinners drew near to Him to hear Him. 2 And the Pharisees and scribes complained, saying, “This Man receives sinners and eats with them.” 3 So He spoke this parable to them, saying:

4 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

8 “Or what woman, having ten silver coins, if she loses one coin, does not light a lamp, sweep the house, and search carefully until she finds it? 9 And when she has found it, she calls her friends and neighbors together, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the piece which I lost!’ 10 Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

11 Then He said: “A certain man had two sons. 12 And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the portion of goods that falls to me.’ So he divided to them his livelihood. 13 And not many days after, the younger son gathered all together, journeyed to a far country, and there wasted his possessions with prodigal living. 14 But when he had spent all, there arose a severe famine in that land, and he began to...

31 “And he said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that I have is yours. 32 It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’ ”
30 But as soon as this son of yours came, who has devoured your livelihood with harlots, you killed the fatted calf for him.’

31 “And he said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that I have is yours. 32 It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’ ”

Luke 16:1-31
1 He also said to His disciples: “There was a certain rich man who had a steward, and an accusation was brought to him that this man was wasting his goods. 2 So he called him and said to him, ‘What is this I hear about you? Give an account of your stewardship, for you can no longer be steward.’

19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Jesus does not break from his parables, to say, "Well now, let me tell you a true story..."
Therefore, there is no valid reason for persons to claim that the rich man and Lazarus, is a literal account.
There is actually no reason to argue about this.
Persons simply want this to be a literal account in order to support their unscriptural beliefs.
There is no way for such persons to prove that Jesus switched from parables to a historical event. That's their imagination.

So, we can move on to something else.

2PhiloVoid said:

You're right, Hans. It is weird of Steve to imply this. But just to be fair, it could be that since Steve has ambiguously referred to "the West," I may have misinterpreted his insinuations to be focused mainly on the U.S. alone when he's actually attempting to attribute his critique to all of Western culture, which would include the Australia, a chunk of Western Europe, and of course, our favorite home country, the U.S..

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I think he is focussed on "the West" generally rather than just the US. The confusion arises, I think, because he is relying primarily on US-based right-wing polemicists for his "facts."

Chesterton said:

I think you're confused. I hope you don't think all black people look alike.

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You're correct, I got the crime he was apprehended for wrong. He was suspected of passing a counterfeit $20.

Still not a crime that one could expect immediate execution without trial though, so everything else I said stands.

-- A2SG, still not the expected time for the crime...

IceJad said:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=voter+id

This is called the soft bigotry of low expectations. The believe certain people can't understand basic requirements and everything have to be dumbed down.

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No, it's not. Conservatives like to claim that is what Liberals think, but it is nothing but propaganda. "Certain people" understand full well what the requirements are. They understand that conservatives study their demographic to find out what kind of identity card they are less likely to already have or what supporting documents they might have more trouble to acquire. They understand why offices in their area that issue the required ID are shut down or their open hours shortened. They understand why conservative legislators wait as close to the election as possible before imposing new ID requirements. They understand that, in the end, they will probably get the required ID but it will require more effort and expense than for "certain other people." They also understand that all that is not just a conspiracy theory, because too many conservative legislators have bragged about it.

IceJad said:

I have voter ID. In my country every voter has a voter ID and it's called the national identity card. Every adult has to carry it in public places.

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The US has no national identity card system. IDs are handled at the state level, and the states have different, and changeable,, requirements depending on the kind of ID sought. Even at the state level there is no universal ID card.

IceJad said:

I have no idea what kind of voting system would work without proper identification. Good faith people won't lie?

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Generally it works by signature comparison. The voter signs in and the poll worker compares that signature to the one on the voter registration document. It's interesting to notice in this regard that conservatives who clamor for ID at the polling place aren't interested in requiring one when the voter registers. You'd think they would be if they were really interested in a secure vote rather than just obstructionism.

SimplyMe said:

Yes, it does seem like Putin has realized he's gotten all the gains he is going to get this year, with that last offensive before Ukraine gets the weapons from the US and Europe. So, now he wants a cease fire using the current lines before Ukraine can take any of it back.

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This well may be the plot.

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The analogy
A blind man has lost his way.
You tried to steer him on the right path, but he stubbornly refused to hear you. He became deaf to your words.
Now, the man is in a desert, headed for what seems to be certain death.
Should you tell him what's ahead of him and try to point it out as clearly and directly as possible, or should you just let him be, because you do not want to "offend" him?

The actual situation
You realize that someone is misunderstanding and misapplying the scriptures.
You try to in the most loving way, share scriptures and reason on them, with the hope that they will consider these scriptures in light of what they believe, and adjust to what is scripturally clear.
They however, stubbornly stick to what they believe.
Should you show them scriptures that directly and clearly reveal the folly of their belief, or let them be?

I try to be balanced in how I apply Jesus' example, as well as his followers, when talking to religious people.
Is Jesus response at Matthew 15:3-20 to this situation a good one to follow, or should we never do similar, lest we offend persons?
The disciples perhaps thought that Jesus should have taken a different approach.
Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you realize you offended the Pharisees by what you just said?” Matthew 15:12
See Jesus response at Matthew 15:13, 14

What do you think, and what would you do in the situation?

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I’m sure Jesus and the apostles would be getting a lot of warnings and account suspensions by the moderators here on CF. Especially Jesus and Paul because they both had a tendency to be “sugar free” in their response to heretical doctrines.

Nithavela said:

Jup, and some of those morons buy guns and then use them on the things they have been told are evil. And what's more evil than some man exposing himself to children?

This is why this shouldn't be treated like some kind of harmless prank. Such lies can cause real death and suffering.

Now, is a 1 million fee the correct amount? I don't think so. The american justice system is imho too quick with imposing huge sums of money as punishment. But that's a general feature of the american justice system, has been for decades and is not a sign of the "cruelty of the left".

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I've never been a fan of preventative governance, based on things we think 'might' happen. That's too much interference for my taste. The truth is that it's extremely rare for Americans to grab their guns and attack what they deem evil these days.

But the left seems to be the culprit for snatching huge sums of money, as well as the heightened taxes. And it's always the democrats putting up the traffic cameras, fining people, often hurting the poor. It's always the most liberal places where inflation is worse.

The Democrats claim to be to compassionate ones, but they're not showing it in their actions when people hurt from their policies.

Declared by the Continental Congress, November 1, 1777, for the first National Day of Thanksgiving in America

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As is seen here, it was common knowledge to consider suspending the norms of American life for an "indispensable duty". Today, that duty has turned into shame upon the very name, Jesus Christ. For the best that Wikipedia editing can muster is,

The detailed extinguishing of Jesus Christ, the ONLY NAME whereby men must be saved is littered throughout our culture as in - "many".

Apple Sky said:

This was all before he were translated away.

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Yes and prooves he was not an angel. He was mortal.

rjs330 said:

Same difference.

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No it isn't. I know what I Intended because I'm the one that wrote it, and I think I was careful enough with my wording. If you're going to be intellectually dishonest then we don't need to speak further.

I think school bonds should only be used for extra-ordinary expenses. Like a new school building. The problem is though that the districts get the money and then they want to roll them over for more general expenses. If in this case the bond was one third of the school budget, it means that tax rate is too low. Idaho has limits on the amounts a local government can raise through property taxes each year. I believe would include school districts.

I do have a maxim that almost always rings true. When a local government wants something, they will get it through any means possible. The two that are maybe ousted, (unofficial tally) likely were in the way of the mainstream. When the bond failed I imagine they started listing what cuts would have to be taken, getting parents and kids all upset and now the ouster of the two that were against it. They will either vote on another bond or find the money through the backdoor.

Kootenai County (idaho) did this with a new county jail. Voters turned it down like 3 times, then amazingly, the county found the money to fund a new jail anyway. Meanwhile they drum up savings projections as they were housing prisoners nearby. It will be cheaper of course to build a new and expanded jail. Too bad they failed to account for the interest payments while underestimating the costs. When any government wants something this also occurs. Overestimate the value of the project, underestimate the cost. Since local government is the fastest growing sector of government you better watch them and hang onto your wallet. N. Idaho is growing quite fast with many California transplants so the budget shortfall could be real. In this case the old cliche holds. "there is no free lunch."

AlexB23 said:

Dang, that sounded scary. I would have probably been beaten, if living in Germany at that time, as I am brown, bi (but will remain celibate, unless with a wife), and for racial diversity.

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Even if you kept all of that under wraps and were white, just being a bit different (like being on the autism spectrum) was enough grounds for violent mob sanction.

The fact of the matter is that we are all alloted a certain amount of time on this earth, which starts at some point we have no influence over and then goes on for more or less time, which we do have some influence over. Generally, we imagine our early years or the time before our birth to be somehow "better" than the later years. This seems to be a feature of the human mindset that hasn't changed significantly over the centuries. We have writing of people in antiquity that complain about the "new stuff" in just the same way you have in this thread. The idea that the past was somehow better, more magical and dignified is also a common trope in media, from modern stuff like Lord of the Rings all the way to the Epic of Gilgamesh, the earliest piece of fiction that has survived the millenia. Even in the oldest epic we still have, people were writing about how the past was really awesome when compared to their present.

trophy33 said:

How can you babble so much nonsense in one day...

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The same reason as you can.

Douggg said:

Here is scriptural proof that Elijah was not an angel.

1Kings19, Jezebel declared that she would have Elijah killed. So in verse 3, Elijah fled to Beersheba. In verse 4, Elijah, depressed, made the request that he might die, rather than face Jezebel's method to kill him. Read the last part of verse 4....

3 And when he saw that, he arose, and went for his life, and came to Beersheba, which belongeth to Judah, and left his servant there.

4 But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers.

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This was all before he were translated away.

Strange subject, this... in general, I mean, not the thread.

Strange to me because back in the days, there were always an abundance of "Comparative Region" classes... we even studied religions in grade school. We had to do reports on each "major religion" then did contrast and comparison papers. We even went on field trips to various religious sites and places of worship.

Just saying, the teaching of religious things was considered both useful and taught us respect.

Landon Caeli said:

Probably not, considering my ex boss told me Hillary and Bill Clinton drink baby blood in the basement of a pizza parlor. I'm pretty sure he's a moron though.

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Jup, and some of those morons buy guns and then use them on the things they have been told are evil. And what's more evil than some man exposing himself to children?

This is why this shouldn't be treated like some kind of harmless prank. Such lies can cause real death and suffering.

Now, is a 1 million fee the correct amount? I don't think so. The american justice system is imho too quick with imposing huge sums of money as punishment. But that's a general feature of the american justice system, has been for decades and is not a sign of the "cruelty of the left".

Oseas said:

Day of the Lord
The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our LORD and of His Christ and He will reign for ever and ever. Revelation 11:v.15. The Word is GOD, the Word is self-executing according was preestablished and revealed, understand?

Remember, we cannot be ignorant of this thing that the beginning of eternal punishment was determined for a certain time, preached as the time of Apocalypse, a time of a grief and of desperate sorrow, a time of unbearables pains, once the time has come, the punishment is started and will never end, it is eternal. Whoever wants to believe, believe, eternal punishment has already begun and will never end, it's for ever and ever. Follow along day by day, yes, follow along. The world of the Devil will be destroyed by complete-Revelation 11:v.18 and 2 Peter 3:v.7 among others references. Who will dwell with the consuming fire henceforth? Isaiah 33:v.14. Follow along day by day, yes, follow along.

Yeah, don't forget that the beginning of eternal punishment was/is determined for this current time, time of Apocalypse, and has already begun, and henceforth will never end, it is eternal, eternal punishment, without end, it's for ever and ever, understand?
Who will dwell with the consuming fire henceforth? Isaiah 33:v.14.
If these days, from now on, are not cut short, no flesh will be saved.
Except these days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Matt.24:v.22
Follow along day by day, yes, follow along.

Kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, will hide themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And will say to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great Day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Revelation 6:v.15-17.

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