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Landon Caeli · 2025-12-09T21:29:49-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
We wouldn’t accept foreigners telling us how to organize our country - especially if they’re from unstable countries with governments of questionable moral character.

Don't we have that right here every single day? I'm pretty sure I've heard foreigners complain about every single aspect of U.S. political policy ever mentioned.

Dan Perez · 2025-12-09T21:27:17-0600

Dave... said:
Hey Dan

John 10:27 would be spiritual Israel. these are already OT believers and declared righteous by promise. John 3:3,5 would be speaking of the way to become part of spiritual Israel.

And this what Gal 6:15 says and need your reply !!

For in. CHRIST Jesus NEITHER CIRCUMCISTION. is any FORCE.

NOR UNCIRCUMCISION, BUT a New CRTERATION. ??

I believe this is what it means !!

#1 CIRCUMCION. ID. JEWS

#2 UNCIRCUMCION ID GENTILS

# CREATION. ID THE BODY OF CHRIST !!

dan p

BCP1928 · 2025-12-09T21:21:31-0600

stevevw said:
If this is the case that atheist scientists or anyone using science to beat down the beliefs of Christians know that its impossible. Then every time they do ( and plenty of examples can be shown).

Then they are purposely attacking Christians knowing its impossible and this is blantant cruelty and bias against them. Its also a complete contradic tion to the sientific thinking they are using by insisting that it can. Making them hypocrites.

Lol and what has that got to do with anything. Are you saying I have none and therefore its ok to attack me on Christian beliefs. The very fact I am arguing for Christian belief is supporting Christian belief.

The problem is you want specific words. Everything is measured by the words. You miss all the language that may not specifically mention Christian belief but is supporting Christian belief.

What that people are demanding Christians show evidence of God or otherwise they are fools and deluded. Do you want me to show you the evidence lol. Its in the language used.

Once again you make a false claim. Show me where I am promoting pagan beliefs or mind and body. Let alone trying to talk me out of it.

Don't mistake mentioning the fact that there are pagan beliefs and others (even science) who themselves work on the mind and body issue and have done for centuries. Don't mistake mentioning them as some sort of endorsement or belief that they are true in themselves.

I have mentioned these only to point out that it is quite natural for humans to be inclined to believe in such transcedent ideas. Not that they are all true in any particular belief. Only that there is such a transcedent realm and that all the different beliefs are attempts to express this.

If there is a God and belief and spirituality as Paul mentions and we all know God. Then it makes sense that this knowledge is expressed in all sorts of different ways when people replace God with their own versions. Its actually support for a God.

Mind/body dualism is a pagan belief, it is Platonism. It is informally believed by many Christians, but it didn't really enter Western Christian thought until the reintroduction of Classical philosophy to the West during the late middle ages. The Bible does not explicitly answer the question, but makes clear that we will never be a conscious mind without a body, either in this life or the next. That is why Christians all swear once a week to a belief in the "resurrection of the body." Christian doctrine does not depend on mind/body dualism.

Bradskii · 2025-12-09T21:16:46-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Why?

Sorry, don't know why I replied. I have no sensible response to that whatsoever.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-09T21:15:38-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Why?

We wouldn’t accept foreigners telling us how to organize our country - especially if they’re from unstable countries with governments of questionable moral character.

Bradskii · 2025-12-09T21:12:40-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
The one potential flaw I see... Their HQ needs to be in London...

Kind of a potential flaw there as well...

Richard T · 2025-12-09T21:08:53-0600

I took a concealed carry course in Florida. They were quire clear, if your not in a life threatening situation you legally should not fire a gun.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-09T21:08:10-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
The reason why they're not getting it is because that subset of Christians never had the numbers, and were outnumbered by the much larger subset of Christians who didn't want that.

Early Utah would be an example of what happens when a insular religious community has the majority, and most are agreement on wanting consolidation. They had several laws that blatantly favored LDS traditions, courts were packed with LDS bishops, they had polygamy getting practiced (and when the feds stepped in and said "nope", they just went with a policy of non-enforcement for as long as they could)

So it was. But I never was afraid of Mormons taking over the whole country and forcing me to make polygamous marriages. Do you think Muslims will be able to?

ThatRobGuy said:
However, if there's a major population shift, and the group that has a 67% propensity for wanting that power consolidation starts considerably outnumbering the group that only has a 15% propensity for wanting that type of consolidation, things will change.

The stat you posted lines up with the global number as well in terms of preferences for that sort of thing.

30% of the 45% (~15%) of Christians in the US want that sort of thing
Globally, of the ~120 Christian majority countries, 31 have an official state religion (that number gets smaller when factoring whether or not it's reflected in law or gets special benefits)
Whereas, 34 of the 53 Muslim majority countries ended up with it.

It only takes a few decades for a voter composition to radically change when birth rates are disparate, and you stack immigration on top of that.

Now, this isn't even factoring in immigration, just forecasted growth based on available statistics just to show how quickly things can shift

AI disclaimer, I did outsource this to Anthropic's paid version of Claude using the premium tier Sonnet model (which is very accurate -- sources can be provided if you'd like as it cites them)

To the question of:
If you have a city that's currently comprised of
20,000 Christians
8,000 Muslims
3,000 Hindus

Given the current birth rates of these demographic groups in the US.
What would the population breakdown be in 40 years?

Total Fertility Rates (TFR) for US Religious Groups:

Christians: ~1.5-1.6 children per woman

Muslims: ~2.5 children per woman (average of US-born at 2.2 and foreign-born at 2.6)

Hindus: ~2.3 children per woman

The Math: Exponential Growth Model
For demographic projections, we use the formula:

P(t) = P₀ × e^(rt)

Where:

P(t) = population at time t

P₀ = initial population

r = growth rate

t = time in years

e = Euler's number (≈2.718)

To calculate the growth rate from TFR, we need to convert fertility rates to annual growth rates. A simplified approach assumes:

r ≈ (TFR - 2.1) / 30

Growth rates:

Christians: r ≈ (1.55 - 2.1) / 30 = -0.0183 per year

Muslims: r ≈ (2.5 - 2.1) / 30 = 0.0133 per year

Hindus: r ≈ (2.3 - 2.1) / 30 = 0.0067 per year

After 40 years:

Christians: 20,000 × e^(-0.0183 × 40) ≈ 20,000 × 0.478 ≈ 9,560

Muslims: 8,000 × e^(0.0133 × 40) ≈ 8,000 × 1.69 ≈ 13,520

Hindus: 3,000 × e^(0.0067 × 40) ≈ 3,000 × 1.30 ≈ 3,900

Total population: ~26,980 (down from 31,000)

Percentages:

Christians: 35.4% (down from 64.5%)

Muslims: 50.1% (up from 25.8%)

Hindus: 14.5% (up from 9.7%)

It happened much faster in those towns in Michigan, because as noted, when you layer immigration on top of it, that accelerates the shift.

No, but it's unequal treatment under the law. The sharia topic is a separate subject.

If I rolled around the neighborhood in a car with those loud subwoofers, blasting music at 6am, I'd get a ticket.

Is that what they're doing? LOL!

ThatRobGuy said:
However, they're allowed out blast loud stuff out of speakers at 6am. That would be a religious privilege would it not?

Bradskii · 2025-12-09T21:06:31-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Do you think soldiers storm the battlefield with handcuffs to arrest the enemy and bring them to trial?

According to you they'll be arrested and placed into those handcuffs if they cross that invisible line into US waters. Safe at last! Nice cosy cell. Maybe bail. Chance to get home and try again. Or worse case...a few years locked up. What about all the people you say they are killing?

Where's your retribution then? It dissapears when they move a hundred metres or so? Those guys hanging on to whatever was left of their boat have drifted into US waters while the Admiral took an hour for lunch. So why don't you demand that they are still summarily killed? They're even closer to delivering all those drugs. Why the bleeding-heart concern for their rights all of a sudden? Why the sudden demand for due processd? Some people were never so keen on it before. Y'all getting soft on terrorists now?

Someone get these poor shipwrecked guys some warm, dry clothes. Give them a decent feed and a warm bed. Get a lawyer for them. Make sure they are read their rights and get a phone call. Ahora están a salvo, muchachos.

durangodawood · 2025-12-09T21:06:14-0600

Servus said:
This isn't that kind of war which goes on for years. It's a swift putting an end to a problem.

A war on organized drug crime will be over just like that?

Thats some born-yesterday stuff right there.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-09T21:03:36-0600

Yarddog said:
The first strike was on Sept. 2. That is over 90 days. He is outside his timeframe.

I will take it that you admit that the president can use military force without congressional approval?

Richard T · 2025-12-09T21:00:36-0600

Michie said:
The Rev. Franklin Graham was recently unable to attend a Christian revival event in India due to a visa issue, with some alleging foul play.

Reports circulated last week stating that the 73-year-old Graham was prevented from speaking at an event in Nagaland late last month to commemorate the anniversary of a crusade his father, the late Rev. Billy Graham, conducted in the region 53 years earlier. The Times of India reported that Graham had been denied a visa, causing one local leader to send letters to federal officials voicing displeasure with the matter.

A spokesperson for the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association clarified the situation in a statement sent to The Christian Post on Tuesday.

"The visas for Rev. Franklin Graham and our team were approved by the Government of India, Ministry of Home Affairs, Foreigners Division; however, it was after the necessary departure date for Mr. Graham to arrive in time for Nagaland United: A Gathering of Faith, Hope and Revival and for the Hornbill Festival," read the statement.

Continued below.

Did India deny a visa to Franklin Graham ahead of a crusade? Here's what we know

The Rev Franklin Graham was recently unable to attend a Christian revival event in India due to a visa issue, with some alleging foul play

www.christianpost.com

Seems strange cause Americans can get an electronic visa. I read a tourist visa takes 4 days. Likely Graham applied for a different type of visa? My advice for anyone traveling to minister is to really take a look at the destination and keep things as simple as possible. Unless your going to stay longer generally a tourist visa is fine. Your not working if you dont take money from the place your going. Of course Graham is high profile plus he is bringing a team. I can say too in my experience that groups are scrutinized more by immigration authorities. There is nothing like going to a country and not being allowed to enter. The usa even rejects some valid visa holders.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-09T20:58:57-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
The answer is none. The last time congress executed their power to declare war was for WW2. So when you think about all the wars and conflicts the United States either started or got involved, it was not because Congress declared war. So the notion that we cannot be at war with drug cartels because "only congress can declare war" is nonsense.

Congress can also pass a resolution, which is how Vietnam and Iraq I&II were authorized. Read the War Powers Act of 1973.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-09T20:57:27-0600

Landon Caeli said:
European Union’s announcement Friday of a roughly $140 million fine against X for violating the bloc’s digital rules have fueled the fire, pushing transatlantic relations to their lowest point since Trump returned to the White House in January.

Elon Musk, the owner of X, is calling for abolishing the E.U., and Trump supporters are railing against the 27-nation bloc.

MSN

I think the EU should stay together to protect American interests. But will they? I dont know. I mean, if Europeans are ethnically replaced by foreign immigrants, is it really the same Europe anymore?

Yarddog · 2025-12-09T20:56:52-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, the President can introduce U.S. Armed Forces, including Marines, into hostilities or situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated for up to 60 days without congressional authorization.

The first strike was on Sept. 2. That is over 90 days. He is outside his timeframe.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-09T20:51:22-0600

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Servus said:
I was being generous. They were absolutely nothing alike. It was like comparing a Toyota Yaris to a Ford F-150.

Ford F-150 loaded with drugs.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-09T20:51:16-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
You were a cop, weren't you? That's what I was referring to. Part of this largesse in taking care of more and more people goes to fund the salaries of government employees, like you and your wife.

What about taking care of me? I contributed. I paid taxes. My plan was to keep working until I turned 70, now I can’t do that. Where is my government assistance?

Landon Caeli · 2025-12-09T20:51:08-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
This should probably be up to the people who actually live there.

Why?

Yarddog · 2025-12-09T20:50:56-0600

Servus said:
That's all hearsay, not proof.

That's not hear say. There isbvudeo evidence of the strikes. There is testimony from those involved. That is not hearsay.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-09T20:48:07-0600

RocksInMyHead said:
As I said, they're not identical. Quibbling over the details is irrelevant - again, the point is that there is no consistent definition of what a "fishing boat" might look like in the Caribbean, so saying that something "doesn't look like a fishing boat" because it doesn't look like a random picture of a fishing boat that you found on the internet is a red herring.

The similarities between the two boats in my post are their size (roughly 20 ft) and their general layout (open boats with fairly low freeboard).

Well, the biggest difference is that one boat was full of fish and fishing gear, but all the boats that were destroyed appeared to be full of drugs and no fishing gear. By the way, did you ever find any evidence that any actual fishing boats were attacked? I really want to know why so many people are insisting that Trump is blowing up fishing boats.

Mark Quayle · 2025-12-09T20:43:41-0600

ARBITER01 said:
Again,..... a lot of people are more worried about theology than a relationship with Jesus.

I hope you understand that you have just expressed your theology.

There is no stagnant relationship with Jesus. We come to know him by various ways. Some ways more weighty than to protest people coming to know him better by pursuit of theological understanding which answers questions about their relationship with Jesus, and brings their hearts closer to him, seeing him as more precious than before.

Mark Quayle · 2025-12-09T20:42:48-0600

ARBITER01 said:
Sorry, but it's not on the greatest hits album with GOD.

I wouldn't presume to think that your walk with Jesus is remotely the same as mine, and that your understanding of GOD and His will is the same as mine at this point. We are only united together by the blood of Jesus, our spiritual maturity levels are all different by design.

What you might find to be important to you is not even on my radar screen anymore, if it ever was in the first place. Our walk with Jesus is to be a steady upward climb towards closeness with The Father and His holiness, not a circle in the sand.

You're more than welcome to pursue such matters, by all means do so, but again, don't automatically think that your walk and ambitions with GOD, and what you find to be important, is the same as mine.

I agree, to a point. I don't believe in common levels of maturity, or stages where this believer is behind or ahead of another in some common line of ascent. Certainly, one believer is more mature than another, but that doesn't imply such notions as, "I've been where you are."

But the study of the subject we have been pursuing, here, (or trying to pursue, at least), has everything in the end to do with the grace of God, which grace is the essence of the Gospel of Christ. That is the "weightier matter" —not the "milk" but the "meat". "1Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith in God, 2instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And this we will do, if God permits." It is that grace which is the meat of the whole of life, without which we are nothing. We are here to come to know Him.

I agree that we are not here to "figure it out". And discourse, discord and debate can (and usually do) descend into a lot of uselessness. In and of itself, "good works" is not the focus of grace, nor what we are to pursue above all else. What Calvin thinks about 'good works' is not of itself among the weightier matters. That I grant. But God's Word will not return to him void. And discussing what it says and what it means and what it is talking about, and discussing what God is doing/ building/ accomplishing, is always among the weightier matters.

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