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Strong in Him · 2025-11-29T01:50:06-0600

Apple Sky said:
The Foundations are built onto the
Chief Cornerstone Jesus Christ,
structurally sound, on a flat plane.

The foundation of the Gospel, church and Christian faith - NOT the earth.

Apple Sky said:
Nobody has ever been in "space."
The lunar missions never happened.

Space is not heaven.
You are calling all the eyewitnesses "liars", even the born again Christians. Yet when comments have been made about Dean Odel and the creator of that "200 verses" chart, your response has been, "rubbish, they are born again Christians."

It seems you will only believe born again Christians if they believe the same as you.
That means, for you, the beliefs that the earth is flat and the moon landings didn't happen are far more important than the fact that someone believes in Jesus and has received him as their Saviour.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T01:48:25-0600

The earth is circular in shape, like a
compass.

Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain.
Job 38:14 The earth is changed as clay is by a seal; its
hills stand out like the folds of a garment.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Psa 88:17 They came round about me daily like
water; they compassed me about together.
Isa 44:13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he
marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes,
and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh
it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty
of a man; that it may remain in the house.

The Earth has borders. Antarctica is
an ice wall surrounding us.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the
gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and
God saw that it was good.
Psa 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together
as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and
spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it
brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but
no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Psa 74:17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth:
thou hast made summer and winter.
Psa 104:9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not
pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of
men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and

rjs330 · 2025-11-29T01:44:13-0600

Belk said:
Is it your claim that if the executive department disagrees with the legality of a judges order it can simply ignore it?

Yes I do if the order is out of the judges jurisdiction. In many of the cases regarding district Court judges it was questionable whether it was or wasn't and Trump didn't ignore those. In this case however, we have specific judges to deal with immigration law. Their word is final. Except for the Supreme Court. This judge has no legal jurisdiction by law over immigration courts.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T01:42:55-0600

The foundations of the earth are a
reality.

Psa 82:5 They know not, neither will they
understand; they walk on in darkness: all the
foundations of the earth are out of course.
Isa 24:18 ... and the foundations of the earth do
shake.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can
be measured, and the foundations of the earth
searched out beneath.
Psa 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen,
and the foundations of the world were discovered at
thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of
thy nostrils.
2Sa 22:16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the
foundations of the world were discovered, at the
rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of
his nostrils.
Pro 8:29 ...that the waters should not pass his
commandment: when he appointed the foundations
of the earth.
Mic 6:2 Hear ye, O mountains, the LORD'S
controversy, and ye strong foundations of the earth
for the LORD hath a controversy with his people,
and he will plead with Israel.
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that
the waters should not pass his commandment: when
he appointed the foundations of the earth.
Zec 12:1 ...which stretcheth forth the heavens, and
layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the
spirit of man within him.
Isa 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of
the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the
heavens.

David Lamb · 2025-11-29T01:40:06-0600

Apple Sky said:
The Foundations are built onto the
Chief Cornerstone Jesus Christ,
structurally sound, on a flat plane.

Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of
you builders, which is become the head of the
corner.
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof
fastened? or who laid the cornerstone thereof;
Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried
stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation: he
that believeth shall not make haste.

That seems to be taking bible verses out of their context. When Jesus is referred to as the chief cornerstone, it is in the context o His church, not the earth:

“19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief [cornerstone], 21 in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” (Eph 2:19-22 NKJV)

Nothing is said about the church or the earth being a flat plane.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T01:39:57-0600

timothyu said:
Agreed, (as He said over 70x) His only gospel was of the Kingdom and that was why He was sent..

No, He was sent to save the (elect of God only), you know those whom God chose to save before He created the world. You simply can't get around that awful truth can you....

lucypevensie · 2025-11-29T01:38:38-0600

Third day

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T01:37:58-0600

Jipsah said:
Wow. St. Paul took a very different view:
6 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Your religion apparently denies that. Imagine my shock.

The "truth" that your gurus have made up

I have cited many verses, which prove that that the gospel is the most offensive stench that an unbeliever can smell. So, yes the gospel is the most hated of all things in this world. Thousands of Christians are being murdered for sharing the gospel every single week.

So don't give me this nonsense about Paul taking a different view, they murdered all of God prophets and 11 of the disciples and they tried to kill Paul as well. Now doesn't that show how the world loves the gospel. Wow, you way out man

lucypevensie · 2025-11-29T01:37:30-0600

Generally, hospital uniforms mimic underwear.

MIMIC

rjs330 · 2025-11-29T01:33:48-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
That one of the Afghans committed murder doesn’t mean Vance wasn’t also being bigoted.

It also doesn't mean he was.

rjs330 · 2025-11-29T01:32:37-0600

Vambram said:
Resurfaced Footage: Vance Warned About Refugee Program Used By National Guard Shooter in 2021, RINOs Cried Racism

“Real leadership is accepting the tradeoffs of the situation, putting our own citizens first, and not dealing with fake platitudes."

www.westernjournal.com

To be fair, it has only been one that killed anyone. At least that I know of. Vance was absolutely correct to be concerned at the time. Its called wisdom.

The key word is unvetted. I don't know if they all were or just some or what. But it would be unwise not to vett deeply.

But that's water under the bridge now.

d taylor · 2025-11-29T01:27:28-0600

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A large portion of this country has become nothing but a crybaby.

stevevw · 2025-11-29T01:16:47-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
No but understanding the marks left by the egyptians tools matter.

The marks left by the Egyptians is the same marks the experts are trying to determine what made them. How are the marks any different because they are Egyptian. If they are made on a lathe it does not matter if they are Egyptian marks lol. They are lathing marks, not Egyptian marks.

Unless there is a special Egyptian lathing mark. Or maching mark. The machine cuts in granite such as the arc cuts are not Egyptian cuts but machined arc cuts. Similar mached arc cuts we may see later in history made by the same method. You don't have to be Egyptian to know this.

Stopped_lurking said:
Not making the code though.

I am sure his expertise came in valuable in developing the software. You don't know whether he knows coding as part of the areas he specialises in. So you can't make these absolute claims without evidence. This is what I mean by the double standards. You double down without showing this is the case.

Stopped_lurking said:
I know I've read his articles.

Then show he has no understanding of coding. From what I understand Marian specialises in the 3D digitalisation of ancient and cultural artifacts. That is transforming 3d objects into the digital space. I would say that includes knowledge of coding in digitalising objects into ,amagable software programs.

Nevertheless he may offer a specific expertise in the process of relating artifiacts in the software. The unusual and unprecedented shapes and how best to accommodate this in specific aspects of the software.

The point is we don't know and your making claims without evidence based on your unsupported opinion. All the researchers were called amatuer and I know the others have software expertise.

Dr. Márton Szemenyei, PhD is an assistant professor at the Department of Control Engineering and Information Technology

Rólunk – Vision

deeplearning.iit.bme.hu

Stopped_lurking said:
Suit yourself.

lol fair enough. Everyone can suit themselves.

Stopped_lurking said:
You do you, what do you want me to say?

Just be fair and honest. Thats all. So long as the criteria is fairly applied to all.

Stopped_lurking said:
Suit yourself.

Now its just not acknowledging the bias.

Stopped_lurking said:
The measure is decided by the method not the object of the result.

Yes and the different ways the vase can be measures all come to the same result. Whether you use a professional ruler like Petrie 100 years ago. Or the guague metrology that monitors the vase directly through sensors. Or the different scanning techniques such as structured light, X ray or Photgrametry.

The end result is the come to the same measures. Just some are more refined and down to the micron. But the micron level today is not disputing Petries measures. They are actually confirming them with even tighter precision.

Stopped_lurking said:
They didn't get the same results, they used different quality criteria. The 1968 vase is grouped with modern replicas, I know.

So are you saying that if they took one of the vases from say Karoyls results and applied Dr Max's and the Vase Scan Projects methods that they would come to a different measure for circularity for example. Some will find it with good circularity and the other will find poor circularity for the same vase.

Stopped_lurking said:
Perhaps they are but it has not been shown. I don't believe they are.

I am glad you say "don't believe" as there is ample evidence they were lathed or turned on something to achieve such high precision.

Part of Karoyls scanning was to scan the best example of an 18th dynastic alabasta vase made with the Bore Stick method depicted on the walls. I linked this vase before here. As Christ King says the Alabasta vase clearly matches the Bore Stick method. Which could grind out a softer vase but because it was a wobbly device you can see it is lop sided.

So we accept that the pretty good finish from the 18th dynasty using a form of lathe in the Bore Stick produced softer vases.

Yet in the British museum they have two preynastic large precision hard stone vases sitting just under a picture of the same 18th dynastic relief implying they were also made by the Bore Stick method. Quite deceptive. They never state how the predysnastic vases were made. Just that they were for Royalty.

So if the soft alabasta vase shows evidence of a simple lathing mechanism that created 18th dynasty vases. Then why all of a sudden argue that there was no lathing involved in far superior vases with better circularity.

Its inconsistent and double standards. Somehow ancients by sheer freehand grinding, poundin g and rubbing made better vases than later ones which we know were made using Bore sticks and not freehand.

Stopped_lurking said:
I thought you referred to Marians article about using photogrammetry for estimating the effects of pounders. Did you mean some other article?

Lol I actually forgot this was Marians work. I didn't refer to it because of Marian but as an example of evidence showing that the small dolorite pounders was not the method.

Stopped_lurking said:
Ok, link that article then.

I already have.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212054823000292

Stopped_lurking said:
The body's are in aluminium, not stone. They don't have surface deviations in the mm range. One material is highly ductile the other is not.

Do the use similar principles for setting the cuts, the angles of the arm and how a machine can manovour to cut such shapes.

But I keep saying this is hypocracy. Others have cited their knowledge and experience of lathing on wood and metal and there was no issue. Why are you now making it an issue. This is why I don't trust what is said as its double standards.

Stopped_lurking said:
Smith? Chris King? Where I involved in a dialogue with the others at the time?

Sorry King. No people were using their knowledge and experience of lathing on wood and metals to argue their case and it was all acceptable then. Funny how the goal posts change when it comes to the people I link.

Stopped_lurking said:
So get it in a journal then.

We don't need to. We can check it out ourselves and see the measurements. Numbers don't lie.

Stopped_lurking said:
They could have modeled a receiver in the chamber, and calculated the transmitted power as a function of the external field strength and wavelength.

This is what they said was next

The team is now looking at how pyramidal nanoparticles can be used in new and innovative ways to create new technologies such as nanosensors and highly efficient solar cells. The team also plans to do further simulations of the Great Pyramid using radio waves at shorter wavelengths.

Chambers in Egypt's Great Pyramid concentrate radio waves – Physics World

Computer simulations reveal electromagnetic properties of huge structure at Giza

physicsworld.com

Stopped_lurking said:
It is not accepted as true until it is experimentally verified, the chase after the Higgs boson stretched over decades.

I think this is a bit different. But nevertheless no one was calling the idea of the Higgs boson as psuedoscience. It was expected that it would be found because the modelling was correct.

Stopped_lurking said:
You do realise that granite is a common material? Today we have terrestrial medium wave radio wave sources that are in the 2 MW range (in Hungary), it can be picked up in the US in good conditions. Have anybody picked up any hungarian news on the radio inside the king's chamber?

Or is the granite blocks in Hungary laying vibrating on the ground, cracking as they vibrate at 560 kHz?

Or Quartz watches that only need a shake to get the electro charge going. Its a common material but potententially a material that can be utilised to generate electrical effects.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T01:10:31-0600

Jipsah said:
So if you reject those who come preaching rubbish, because it's necesssry to embrace their rubbish, and thus rejecting them as the fraudsters they obviously are we're "rejecting God's order"
Well, that at least gives us yet another example of why we should reject your rubbish, as you set it of being equal to, or superior to, the Gospel of Christ. T

No "as you do" we;re claiming that you're preaching unscriptural, explicitly false, rubbish, a corruption of the Gospel of Christ.

That and $2 and change will get you a small coffee at Starbucks.

That Jim-Bob's Muffler Shop and Theological Seminary offers.

<Guffaw<

I'm fine with a BS in Electrical Engineering and the ability to read, and I doubt that your guru has either.

OK, so now you're saying that God appoints His men to preach the doctrine of demons. I think you have confused The Lord God, with the god of this world, and that goes to prove that the god of this world has blinded you so you don't know the difference between lies and the truth.

I'm not sure if you believe in The Lord, and what He has said, but if you did then you would know that His people (the elect) can't be deceived by demonic doctrine and to suggest that we can, shows you don't fear God.

You have never found a singe fault with any of the doctrines I hold to, so all you can do is resort to the lowest common denominator, and that being slander.

timothyu · 2025-11-29T00:56:11-0600

Dan1988 said:
There is only one gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ

Agreed, (as He said over 70x) His only gospel was of the Kingdom and that was why He was sent..

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T00:54:46-0600

Jipsah said:
Check the Apostle's and Nicene Creeds. That'll give you a baseline.

Considering 2 Peter 3:9 that sounds like your doctrine doesn't square with the Word of God on that point,. Might wanna argue that with St. Peter.

Which is impossible, so it has to be your barbarous doctrine that's a lie.

Or maybe the doctrine of eternal torment isn't true, in which case your diabolical doctrine if false as well.

Which in your Bizarrro World doctrine means "eternal life in torment".

I.E., "death" means "death". Wow, what an amazing concept!

As far as ypu know. You simply depend on your set to tell you what Scripture "really means", which often has little of nothing to do with what it actually says.

At least your theology is consistent, you apply the same false premiss to all of your interpretations, so imagine I'm using my broad brush with blood red paint and putting a big red X over every single one of your theories.

Now to cut them all down, we'll start with your private interpretation of 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance".

Here Peter is addressing Born Again Believers, saying the Lord is longsuffering (patient) towards (Us, the elect, the born again believers) This exhortation was given to encourage the brethren, of whom some were concerned about why the Lord Jesus doesn't judge the world and cast all the unbelievers into hell right away.

It was to reassure the brethren that the Lord Jesus will take vengeance on our behalf and cast all the unbelievers into hell, at the appointed time and that's when the very last one of Gods elect is added to the Body of Christ, then all hell will break lose and Christ will pour out His wrath and take vengeance on our behalf.

So that verse was about assuring Gods elect that He will judge the world at His appointed time so we can rest in the knowledge that justice will be served.

God promised to torment unbelievers in hell forever, you reject what He said because you obviously don't like it. But you can't make it go away, just because it hurts your feelings.

I would suggest you do a study on the Biblical interpretation of the words "life and death". You're not even in the same universe with your interpretation, but your not alone in denying the truth of the gospel. The Lord Jesus said, in
"Matthew 7:22-23
"Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’" "And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"

And guess where they will depart to, YES!!! it's THE LAKE OF FIRE TO BE TROMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOREVER AND EVER'

Freth · 2025-11-29T00:32:47-0600

Welcome to the forums! I look forward to seeing your posts.

One of the features I enjoy here is conversations. Conversations are private mail threads that look like forum posts and can include more than one person. I use it regularly for fellowship and study with others here.

God bless!

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T00:23:38-0600

timothyu said:
So, like Jesus, your only gospel is of the Kingdom?

I'm still not sure what you mean by "gospel of the Kingdom". I think I know what you mean, but you would be surprised at how many conflicting versions of gospel are going around.

There is only one gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, but there are 49,000 versions held by the various Christian denominations.

dlamberth · 2025-11-29T00:22:48-0600

AV1611VET said:
Is that why you said they preach pseudoscience as truth?

It's religion that they preach as if it's science. But it's not science. Thus pseudoscience.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-29T00:22:25-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Want to talk about black culture?

Black fragility is said to be a victimhood shield that has it's roots in black families, extending further into black communities and culture, making it a systemic flaw in terms of blame shifting, where personal accountability and responsibility can be pushed off onto some "other" group or alternate culture.

If we view the "Whiteness pandemic" as pure projection, it becomes clear where the truth actually lies.

another_lost_guy · 2025-11-29T00:20:49-0600

Hans Blaster said:
It's just a site with some pseudo science going on it. I don't care about the other ideology.

Pseudo science that you yourself push by acting as if America is the only country that exists

Hans Blaster said:
End game? I dont 'have an "endgame".

You asked "Who are these men killed for their belief in your god". Shouldn't your endgame be to find out who the men are? But obviously it isn't, because once I gave you examples of the men killed, you claimed it was impossible to know whether someone can be killed for belief in God or not, meaning there was no lose condition for you to begin with. You are a bad faith actor and really should be banned for wasting everyone's time here

Hans Blaster said:
The examples given are from mass killers/shooters whose motivations are quite muddled.

As shown by my previous reply there'd be no amount of motivation or evidence satisfactory to you anyway because you aren't actually open to changing your mind on anything

Hans Blaster said:
you don't seem to know what pseudoscience is (and the Unvierse isn't rotating).

I know it doesn't but you act as if it does because you ignore every other country besides America

Hans Blaster said:
Never heard of that one. The problem might be that I only realized this was "general poltics" and I usually participate in the "US politics" section. Not sure how I ended up in this thread. The earlier posts were filled with US politics references (and Mr. Steve frequently confuses himself with an American when discussing politics.)

You should probably leave the guy alone

Hans Blaster said:
My key board needs replcing (see it dropped the "a")

I was discussing American politics where that is a distraction.

Seem to have no problem using 'a' now.

Hans Blaster said:
That's not what science is.

I claimed science says black people exist. Are you disagreeing?

Hans Blaster said:
Why would that be a special province of "progressives" ? (and as a noob, you don't know my politics anyway.)

Progressives bend over backwards to serve minorities that are actually majorities globally

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T00:19:14-0600

timothyu said:
Biblical or denominational?

My Pastor is anti denomination. He said all 49,000 denominations have departed from the Church which Christ established. They departed because they didn't want to be follow the ordinances which Christ instituted.

My pastor teaches us to have no fellowship with those who have departed from the Body of Christ, because they went out from us to show that they were never truly of us.

dlamberth · 2025-11-29T00:19:03-0600

AV1611VET said:
So no one takes her cookbooks literally?

I've never used one. Nor do I really want to. She's not really my cup of tea.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T00:11:01-0600

JulieB67 said:
I asked for your beliefs about the scriptures I posted? Do you understand that question? I then asked how are we taking things out of context in those same verses? If you can't answer those than I would start to question your teachers.

It was a simple question about scriptures. You claim to have all the truth so you should be able to have an honest discussion about scripture and what your beliefs are about said scriptures. But you continually refuse to do so and resort to insults.

At this point I'm not even sure if you're a Christian or a troll. And that's an honest statement. If would only explain why you continue to lie. I and others have posted scriptures, you can look back on this thread and see them. Even you posted scriptures that point to our argument, not yours.

Here once again are just a few-

Malachi 4:1 "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave then neither root nor branch.

God is making it very clear that there will be nothing left.

Malachi 4:3 "And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts."

Destroy in the Hebrew shamad
1. to desolate

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
destruction, bring to nothing, overthrow, perish, pluck down, utterly
A primitive root; to desolate -- destroy(- uction), bring to nought, overthrow, perish, pluck down, X utterly.

Psalms 145:20 "The Lord preserveth all them that love Him: But all the wicked will He destroy."

Psalms 37:20 "But the wicked shall perish, And the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Once again, God can't be any more clear. The wicked will consume away, into smoke, shall they consume away. You can try and work around these verses but again, you put them all together and with Christ's teaching it tells us without a doubt what will happen to the wicked.

Psalms 37:38 "But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: The end of the wicked shall be cut off.

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

II Thessalonians 1:9 "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;"

But if one wants to redefine certain words and add to God's Word to believe in a doctrine, have at it. I try to always take the bible as a whole and even common sense goes a long way when in reading the Word, we see and learn the very nature of God.

Wow, ever heard of the word humility?

Paul told us to test "all things" Are you above Paul? The Word of God should always be our standard, yes even verses our teachers. Christ also taught against false shepherds.

Why so I can come away with the milk of God's Word? Something I was fed over and over in churches. Paul states we are to move past that.

Do you not really feel equipped to handle at lease some of God's Word on your own? I've learned more on my own than I did years sitting on a church pew- that's the problem with so many. Am I still growing in the Word? I believe so and hopefully I will continue to do so as I study every day. But I have at least read it in it's entirety, something I'm seriously doubting you have done. If you had you would be able to have a honest biblical discussion without resorting to insults, judgement, etc.

I have asked you many times to show me a single verse to support your un biblical private theory, but you have consistently failed. I knew you would fail miserably because your theology is based on false doctrines.

If a single verse existed to support your private theory, you would have googled it by now and used it to prop up your strawman.
Not sure why you keep listing unrelated verses of scripture which say nothing to support your wild theories. It just shows that you're desperate to defend the indefensible.

Yes Paul did exhort "Born again Christians" to test all things. This doesn't apply to those who are not born again believers, because they are clueless as to what is good and what is evil. Only those of us who are born again believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and He leads us into all truth, so we know the difference and we can't be deceived or come under strong delusion as those who think they are Christian but are not.

It's obvious to me that you rely on your own wisdom and understanding, to interpret spiritual things. The problem with that approach is, that it's impossible to rightly divide the Word of God, unless you are being led by the Holy Spirit. Here are some verses to help you understand this awful truth.

1 Corinthians 2:14: "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." This is perhaps the primary verse cited, emphasizing that spiritual truths are beyond the comprehension of those without the Holy Spirit.

Romans 8:7-8: "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God." This passage is used to argue that the unbeliever's mind is actively hostile toward God, making them morally and spiritually incapable of obeying or pleasing Him.

2 Corinthians 4:4: "whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them." This verse is often cited to show that Satan has a role in blinding the minds of unbelievers, further hindering their ability to receive the Gospel.

John 6:44: "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day." This verse highlights the necessity of God's prior drawing power for anyone to even come to faith in Christ.

John 8:47: "He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God." Jesus's words here indicate a spiritual condition: an unbeliever's inability to "hear" (receive and obey) God's words stems from not belonging to God.

Dreyma · 2025-11-29T00:06:50-0600

Michie said:
Welcome to CF.

Thanks

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