If many who shout their moral outrage over the treatment of terrorist drug dealers had the same amount of moral outrage about the lefts treatment of Trump it would be more believable. Actually we all know it is really not about concern for drug dealers it is about damaging Trump and his administration. I believe the word is hypocrisy.

DaisyDay said:

Not even. They were in the cold water and had been for the better part of an hour. Have you ever been in the cold vast sea? Raising arms over the head would tend to push said head under the water with their wet clothes pulling them down even faster.

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No - but I have been in the Caribbean. I've also not tried salvaging 50 million dollars worth of narcotics.

Let take a look at those who choose to be with the lord and obey him. Let’s go into Isaiah 56: 1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

7thKeeper said:

Im not sure what you are trying to argue here or how it logically relates to what you quoted...

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I think I'm sure what you are defending here, as it illogically shows compassion for people who hate us Americans so much to whereas they risk their lives to gleefully deliver fatal [Schedule I] substances for multitudes of vulnerable Americans to fatally ingest.

I've lost people who I love, to the type of substances on the darn boat!! So please forgive me sir, as I work hard locating my compassion like you have for the perps. So far, I've been unsuccessful in my search.

stevevw said:

No but I am saying that most of the attacks on Trumps admin are to get at Trump because they hate him so much.

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Disapproval does not equal hate, does not equal attacks. He needs to be held to account for his damaging rhetoric and policies.

Always in His Presence said:

We’re the drug runners in a life boat?

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Not even. They were in the cold water and had been for the better part of an hour. Have you ever been in the cold vast sea? Raising arms over the head would tend to push said head under the water with their wet clothes pulling them down even faster.

This all started with a lie -

Hegseth said "kill them all" - Now the narrative has changed.

The decision was made by a career Navel Commander along side a JAG officer as consultant for the following reasons (AI)

• Survivors deemed "still in the fight" due to potential communication with other boats: Officials stated the two survivors were observed possibly radioing for help from suspected cartel members or other vessels in the area, making them active threats rather than incapacitated.
• Salvaging drugs from the wreckage: The survivors were reportedly attempting to recover portions of the boat's cocaine cargo (estimated at $50 million), which could have allowed the drugs to enter circulation and fund further cartel activities.
• Ensuring complete destruction of the boat to eliminate navigational and operational threats: The strike was authorized to fully sink the vessel, preventing it from posing a hazard to other ships or allowing any remaining elements (e.g., drugs or equipment) to be reused by traffickers.
• Compliance with pre-established Pentagon contingency plans for survivor scenarios: The action followed internal military protocols developed before the campaign began, which allowed re-engagement if survivors exhibited hostile actions, such as communication or recovery efforts.
• Alignment with broader directive to neutralize all threats on board: Admiral Frank Bradley, under guidance from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, acted to "eliminate the threat" comprehensively, as part of a strategy framing drug cartels as combatants in a "non-international armed conflict." This included destroying the drugs to disrupt cartel funding for weapons.

rjs330 said:

We HAVE to have an HONEST conversation. Just shouting "bigotry" doesn't work anymore.

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I'm just asserting the First Amendment. The conversation was settled 200+ years ago.

I don't have a video, but in my church tradition, the words are "I baptize you in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." Our church's whole baptism liturgy can be read here: The Online Book of Common Prayer (look for the "Holy Baptism" link on the side menu).

Yttrium said:

I've been reading lately about suggestions to denaturalize legal immigrants. The Trump administration has already been working on revoking green cards and deporting legal immigrants in certain cases. I'd like to know what people around here thing about this, and specifically how far the government should be able to go.

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Do you have any links showing any of this?

As for denaturalization - that is a court issue. The President isn't saying he's going to unilaterally denaturalize, but look at the LEGAL methods available.

Copying over from the other thread.

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Survivors clinging to capsized boat didn’t radio for backup, admiral overseeing double-tap strike tells lawmakers​

The two men killed as they floated holding onto their capsized boat in a secondary strike against a suspected drug vessel in early September did not appear to have radio or other communications devices, the top military official overseeing the strike told lawmakers on Thursday, according to three sources with direct knowledge of his congressional briefings.

As far back as September, defense officials have been quietly pushing back on criticism that killing the two survivors amounted to a war crime by arguing, in part, that they were legitimate targets because they appeared to be radioing for help or backup — reinforcements that, if they had received it, could have theoretically allowed them to continue to traffic the drugs aboard their sinking ship.

Defense officials made that claim in at least one briefing in September for congressional staff, according to a source familiar with the session, and several media outlets cited officials repeating that justification in the last week.

But Thursday, Adm. Frank “Mitch” Bradley acknowledged that the two survivors of the military’s initial strike were in no position to make a distress call in his briefings to lawmakers.

Ultimately, Bradley told lawmakers, he ordered a second strike to destroy the remains of the vessel, killing the two survivors, on the grounds that it appeared that part of the vessel remained afloat because it still held cocaine, according to one of the sources. The survivors could hypothetically have floated to safety, been rescued, and carried on with trafficking the drugs, the logic went.

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Hentenza said:

Within this wall of text there still is not a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment. Also, within the same wall of text, there is not a verse prior to Moses that shows anyone keeping the sabbath. Still waiting.

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Jesus says in Matthew 13: 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith,
By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; And seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed; Lest at any time they should see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears, And should understand with their heart, And should be converted, and I should heal them.

peace in Jesus name

stevevw said:

How do we know these wiggling bits of energy are not created by God.

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We don't. Science cannot, does not deny it. What does that have to do with the consciousness outside the brain?

stevevw said:

If there was such a thing a phenomena of consciousness beyond brain then it opens the doore for understanding fundemental reality more fully. That will lead to further discoveries based on the expanded possibility.

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If there was. If fundamental reality was different form objective reality.

stevevw said:

In fact consciousness as fundemental has been posed as the best fit for the data.

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Fundamental? Are you talking about substance dualism?

stevevw said:

If there is to be any theory of everything then it has to include subjective consciousness.

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Sure. And maybe someday we will have a "theory of everything" and it will include subjective consciousness if it is truly a theory of everything.

essentialsaltes said:

STOP THE PRESSES!

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WASHINGTON — It wasn’t the one he had in mind but Donald Trump did finally take home a peace prize.

Trump was the winner of the inaugural "FIFA Peace Prize," which the soccer organization awarded during its World Cup draw in Washington.

"This is truly one of the great honors of my life," Trump said as he accepted the award.

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Breaking news: Eric Carle (author and illustrator of The Very Hungry Caterpillar) wins the FIFA literature prize


I think this whole debacle can be summed up by some of the comments on the BBC live text updates page:

"18:01 GMT I started this live text two hours ago."
"18:05 GMT This has been a disaster for live text commentators who are hungry and were planning to order a pizza once the draw was over."
"18:10 GMT Have you really watched a World Cup draw until you've seen Nigel de Jong applaud a performance from Lauryn Hill?"
"18:13 GMT I'm giving them two more minutes or else I'm going to make up my own World Cup draw and we can all just go home."
(First draw took place at 18:27 GMT)

The man who is accused of placing two pipe bombs outside the Democratic and Republican National Committee offices on Jan. 5, 2021, told investigators he was "disappointed" in the results of the 2020 election, according to U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Jeanine Pirro.

She said "it really isn't clear" if Cole is a supporter of either President Donald Trump or former President Joe Biden.

"This guy was an equal opportunity bomber," Pirro said. "He put a bomb outside the Republican National Committee and the Democrat National Committee. He was disappointed to a great deal in the system, both sides of the system, and for me as a prosecutor, my job is to prove what his intent was in placing those pipe bombs, and what he intended to do, and what we can prove, and we can prove that."

Brian Cole Jr. also said that that he got rid of the unusual shoes that investigators were looking for, according Pirro.

Oompa Loompa said:

Ethnic cleansing?

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You just gotta pull out the NAZI card and the race card to further the propaganda from the tribe.

Benaiah468 said:

The situation remains serious, but it is moving noticeably in a direction that hardly anyone dared to hope for months ago: the underground in Rafah is losing its power.

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Why don't the trapped terrorists surrender?

The most likely answer lies at the heart of Hamas ideology, and thus also at the heart of the entire war. Surrender is out of the question for the terrorists. They would rather sacrifice themselves, their families and the Palestinian civilian population. From kindergarten to combat training, men are taught that surrender is treason. Anyone who surrenders to the Israelis loses their honour, and their right to exist. They are considered a security risk because they could reveal information during Israeli interrogations. Such alleged ‘collaborators with Israel’ face cruel treatment by Hamas. For those imprisoned, the prospect of renouncing terror and then being released, or rather ‘handed over’, by Israel is therefore the worst-case scenario.

In Isaiah G-d says that He considers the 2,000-year captivity of the Jews among the nations to be a brief ‘moment’ and only a ‘little wrath’! He goes on to say that He will bring His people home again with ‘great mercies’ and we are privileged to witness this today.

For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer. Isa 54:7-8

Lord G-d, we thank You for all the Jews who have made Aliyah since Oct 7, but the majority of Jews remain in captivity, so we ask You to be merciful and bring them back

The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee. Jer 31:3

Lord, awaken all Jewish “ostriches” in the West who believe they can bury their heads in the sand in the face of growing hatred against them and their families, and turn their eyes to Zion

Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the Lord's vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence. Babylon hath been a golden cup in the Lord's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed. We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies. The Lord hath brought forth our righteousness: come, and let us declare in Zion the work of the Lord our G-d. Jer 51:6-10

Abba, let the Jews truly hear the open threats against them from Muslims in the West

My soul hath long dwelt with him that hateth peace. I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:6-7

G-d of Isaac, as many Jews are afraid to live in Israel, show them that life in the nations today is also very dangerous and that the likelihood of non-Jewish security forces sacrificing their lives to protect Jews is much lower than that of the Israeli security forces, who do so every day

They also that seek after my life lay snares for me: and they that seek my hurt speak mischievous things, and imagine deceits all the day long. Ps 38:12

G-d, erase the lies and distortions in the media that make Jews hesitate to return

Then said Daniel unto the king, O king, live for ever. Dan 6:21

Lord G-d, free Jews who are mentally, emotionally, or financially trapped in what they consider their ‘comfort zone’ while living in non-Jewish nations

He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death, and brake their bands in sunder. Oh that men would praise the Lord for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men! For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the bars of iron in sunder. How shall we sing the Lord's song in a strange land? If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning. If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy. Ps 107:14-16 .137:4-6

Abba Father, let the election of Mamdani, a Muslim anti-Zionist and anti-Semite, as the next mayor of NYC make Jews throughout America aware of this dangerous trend

Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country; And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their G-d, in truth and in righteousness. Zec 8:7-8

King Messiah, raise up more Jewish sons and daughters of Zion in captivity who will speak openly and boldly to their fellow citizens to make Aliyah, and who will also lead them home

In those days, and in that time, saith the Lord, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the Lord their G-d. They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. Jer 50:4-5

Lord, we praise You that Israel is actively pursuing plans to deal with emergencies that will result in a large number of Jews wanting to immigrate to Israel within a short period of time, and we ask You to oversee all the details so that these plans will ultimately be blessed by You

There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the Lord. The horse is prepared against the day of battle: but safety is of the Lord. Prov 21:30-31

Almighty G-d, proclaim to the Israeli rabbis: prepare ye the way of the people! Isa 62:10b

Lord, help Israel to accelerate the integration of new immigrants into society

I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments. Ps 119:60

Messiah Jesus, lay upon Your body the burden to pray persistently for the Jews in their countries that they may return to Israel,

Thus saith the Lord G-d; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock. Ezek 36:37

and show them that this is being done for the sake of Your holy name

Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord G-d; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord G-d, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Ezek 36:22-24

Lord Jesus, speak to wealthy Christians and Jews that they may give generously and financially support both the Aliyah and the integration of new immigrants into Israeli society

And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of G-d that is in Jerusalem. Ezra 1:4
Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the Lord thy G-d, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee. Isa 60:9

Yttrium said:

As far as I'm concerned, once you're a citizen, you remain a citizen unless you voluntarily move out and revoke your citizenship.

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I agree with this. If a citizen commits a crime, then they can be punished with prison or another appropriate penalty, but revoking citizenship shouldn't be on the table.

Servus said:

There's an awfully big difference between condoning an immoral act and not seeing something as an immoral act based on what's known at the time.

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Correct. The Navy shot those people and did not necessarily see it as an immoral act at the time. We can't know what was in their hearts then..

Why do you condone it?

Fantine said:

Personally I believe that any and all "carry" makes us less safe, and I think that all those who read the Gospels with an open heart and mind would heed Jesus' message about non-violence.

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“And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one.”
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The apostles open carried.

Oompa Loompa said:

Ethnic cleansing?

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Yes, like the Somalis. Trump wants to get rid of the Somalis. Even naturalized Somalis, because, he says, hey are "garbage."

Bradskii said:

Good heavens, man. We're not talking about someone whose yacht has hit a reef. We are talking about how it is illegal even in wartime to kill shipwrecked survivors. Would you argue against this sort of cold blooded killing if it was on land? Why ever would you? The principle is the same. It's bad guys delivering drugs.

What difference does it make blowing up their truck as opposed to their boat? No warning. No due process. Just kill them all. And if a couple manage to survive, then give it an hour or so and if they're still alive then wander over and shoot them in the head.

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When perps are in the act of committing [Schedule I] drug trafficking, the perp is responsible for all casualties which occur in that satanic process.