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Hentenza · 2025-12-05T08:52:29-0600

BCP1928 said:
No, we're arguing with you.

Did you read my posts in this thread? What in the world are you ranting about?

BCP1928 said:
You don't necessarily speak for God, even when you quote the Bible.

Irrelevant and a Strawman.

Dale · 2025-12-05T08:51:39-0600

camille70 said:
Costco Sues Trump Administration for Refund of Tariffs

The retail giant is seeking to recover money it has paid this year, should the Supreme Court rule that President Trump’s implementation of tariffs was unlawful.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/02/us/politics/costco-trump-tariffs-lawsuit.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6E8.9cz8.EcWCsDDHQ4ih&smid=url-share

The complaint, filed on Friday in the U.S. Court of International Trade, argues that Mr. Trump misused a 1977 law in his move to implement tariffs on products from more than 100 countries.

The lawsuit asserts that Congress, not the president, has the authority to set tariffs, and that Mr. Trump exceeded the authority granted to him by the law, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, or IEEPA.

“The text of IEEPA does not use the word ‘tariff’ or any term of equivalent meaning,” Costco states in the lawsuit, which was reported earlier by NBC News. The act allows the president to regulate or prohibit foreign transactions during a national emergency, but does not authorize the imposition of tariffs, according to the lawsuit.

Kush Desai, a spokesman for the White House, said in a statement that the “economic consequences of the failure to uphold President Trump’s lawful tariffs are enormous and this suit highlights that fact. The White House looks forward to the Supreme Court’s speedy and proper resolution of this matter.”

It has said in the past that its use of the IEEPA is lawful because the law gives the president the authority to “regulate” the “importation” of foreign property to deal with emergencies.

It's hard to see how it's an emergency. Imports have been impacting our economy for decades. Congress could have acted on tariffs at any time. There is no sudden emergency. Besides, Trump has a habit of creating a problem and then putting himself forward as the person who has solved it. He puts enormous, unprecedented and counterproductive tariffs on goods from China, for instance, then "negotiates," allows a lower tariff, and claims that he has solved the problem that he created. I'm not impressed.

Many of Trump's claims on tariffs have nothing to do with reality and his tariffs are alienating our closest allies. In some of his rambling speeches, he has claimed that Canada was soaking the US with high tariffs. In reality, most goods were passing over the border, in both directions, with negligible tariffs.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-05T08:51:30-0600

Survivors clinging to capsized boat didn’t radio for backup, admiral overseeing double-tap strike tells lawmakers

The two men killed as they floated holding onto their capsized boat in a secondary strike against a suspected drug vessel in early September did not appear to have radio or other communications devices, the top military official overseeing the strike told lawmakers on Thursday, according to three sources with direct knowledge of his congressional briefings.

As far back as September, defense officials have been quietly pushing back on criticism that killing the two survivors amounted to a war crime by arguing, in part, that they were legitimate targets because they appeared to be radioing for help or backup — reinforcements that, if they had received it, could have theoretically allowed them to continue to traffic the drugs aboard their sinking ship.

Defense officials made that claim in at least one briefing in September for congressional staff, according to a source familiar with the session, and several media outlets cited officials repeating that justification in the last week.

But Thursday, Adm. Frank “Mitch” Bradley acknowledged that the two survivors of the military’s initial strike were in no position to make a distress call in his briefings to lawmakers.

Ultimately, Bradley told lawmakers, he ordered a second strike to destroy the remains of the vessel, killing the two survivors, on the grounds that it appeared that part of the vessel remained afloat because it still held cocaine, according to one of the sources. The survivors could hypothetically have floated to safety, been rescued, and carried on with trafficking the drugs, the logic went.

"They're tactically buoyant and drifting at the craft's top speed, sir!"

Also, 'defense officials' lied to Congress and the American people.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-05T08:51:28-0600

Jerry N. said:
I think I lost 10 points of my IQ watching this video.

I think I may have lost all mine for posting it, so why not go all hog and post another one ^_^

Flat Earth Decoded (Part 5) North Pole, Eden and the Edinburgh Connection

Part Five of my Flat Earth Decoded series we look at the symbolism in the language and geography of the North, as well as through its people to prove Eden's location.

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Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-05T08:49:58-0600

lismore said:
They gave you that classic Movie 'Black Hawk Down'.

Oh! And that one movie where the Somali pirates hold Tom Hanks hostage.

Landon Caeli · 2025-12-05T08:49:40-0600

CNN media influencers are pushing the idea that Trump pardoned the Jan. 6 rioters, but this poor, young black fellow will receive punishment without pardon, and that it's not fair.

Should Brian Cole Jr. Recieve clemency? Or "the book"? That's the question, knowing now that he's black instead of white.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-05T08:48:53-0600

wing2000 said:
Just to be clear, you assert that because some Nigerians are criminals, all Nigerians should be assumed to be criminals because in your words, "their culture produced an African hellscape"?

Apparently I was not clear enough since even you cannot think of a single example of Somalian heritage and culture that brings value to the United States.

eleos1954 · 2025-12-05T08:45:59-0600

Dan1988 said:
That's all based on your own private opinion, but there are no scriptures to support this opinion. There are countless scriptures which support the doctrine of hell as "Eternal Conscious Torment".

Thanks for your opinion, but private opinions have no value in Gods economy.

What kind of a loving God would torture people for eternity? I would not ... could not worship a god like that.

Theres all kinds of scripture that teaches death is a sleep ... including from Jesus himself.

John 11:11-13:
Jesus says of the deceased Lazarus, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I am going to awaken him from his sleep." The disciples misunderstood, thinking He meant literal sleep, but Jesus clarified, "Lazarus is dead".
- 1 Thessalonians 4:13-14:
  Paul writes, "Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him".
- Daniel 12:2:
  "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt".
- Matthew 9:24
  & Luke 8:52: Jesus tells mourners at a girl's death, "Go away. The girl is not dead but asleep," before raising her.
- Acts 7:60:
  Stephen's death is described as "falling asleep in the Lord" after he cries out to Jesus.

Meaning of the Metaphor:

- Temporary State: Sleep is temporary, implying an eventual awakening (resurrection).
- Unconsciousness: It signifies a state of inactivity and unconsciousness, where the dead know nothing.
- Hope: For believers, it offers comfort, pointing to the resurrection and eternal life in Christ.

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Dan1988 said:
That's all based on your own private opinion, but there are no scriptures to support this opinion. There are countless scriptures which support the doctrine of hell as "Eternal Conscious Torment".

Thanks for your opinion, but private opinions have no value in Gods economy.

No it's not opinion ... it's from scripture

1 Deuteronomy 31:16: “The Lord said to Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers.”
II Samuel 7:12: “When thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers.""
I Kings 1:21: “When my lord the king shall sleep with his fathers.”
I Kings 2:10: “David slept with his fathers.”
I Kings 11:21: “David slept with his fathers.”
I Kings 11:43: “Solomon slept with his fathers.”
I Kings 14:20: “Jeroboam...slept with his fathers.”
I Kings 14:31: “Rehoboam slept with his fathers.”
I Kings 15:8: “Abijam slept with his fathers.”
I Kings 15:24: “Asa slept with his fathers.”
I Kings 16:6: “Baasha slept with his fathers.”
I Kings 16:28: “Omri slept with his fathers.”
I Kings 22:40: “Ahab slept with his fathers.”
I Kings 22:50: “Jehoshaphat slept with his fathers.”
II Kings 8:24: “Joram slept with his fathers”
II Kings 10:35: “Jehu slept with his fathers”
II Kings 13:9: “Jehoahaz slept with his fathers”
II Kings 13:13: “Joash slept with his fathers”
II Kings 14:16: “Jehoash slept with his fathers”
II Kings 14:22: “The king slept with his fathers”
II Kings 14:29: “Jeroboam slept with his fathers”
II Kings 15:7: “Azariah slept with his fathers”
II Kings 15:22: “Menahem slept with his fathers”
II Kings 15:38: “Jotham slept with his fathers”
II Kings 16:20: “Ahaz slept with his fathers”
II Kings 20:21: “Hezekiah slept with his fathers”
II Kings 21: 18: “Manasseh slept with his fathers”
II Kings 24:6: “Jehoiakim slept with his fathers”
II Chron. 9:31: “Solomon slept with his fathers”
II Chron. 12:16: “Rehoaboam slept with his fathers”
II Chron. 14:1: “Abijah slept with his fathers”
II Chron. 16:13: “Asa slept with his fathers”
II Chron. 21:1: “Jehoshaphat slept with his fathers”
II Chron. 26:2: “The king slept with his fathers”
II Chron. 26:23: “Uzziah slept with his fathers”
II Chron. 27:9: “Jotham slept with his fathers”
II Chron. 28:27: “Ahaz slept with his fathers”
II Chron. 32:33: “Hezekiah slept with his fathers”
II Chron. 33:20: “Manasseh slept with his fathers”

In Job, believed to be the oldest book in the Bible, death is again referred to as sleep:
Job 7:21: “Now shall I sleep in the dust”
Job 14:12: “They shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep”

In the Psalms, death is a sleep:
Psalm 13:3: “Lest I sleep the sleep of death”
Psalm 90:5: “Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep”

Daniel promises a resurrection of the sleeping dead:
Daniel 12:2: “Many of they that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake”

Jesus described death as “sleep”:
Matthew 9:24: “The maid is not dead but sleepeth.”
Mark 5:39: “The damsel is not dead but sleepeth”
Luke 8:52: “She is not dead but sleepeth”
John 11:11: “Our friend Lazarus sleepeth”

At Jesus’ crucifixion:
Matthew 27:52: “Many bodies of the saints which slept arose”

Luke reiterates I Kings:
Acts 13:36: “David...fell asleep, and was laid unto his fathers”

Paul describes death as sleep:
I Cor. 15:20: “Christ is risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that sleep”
I Cor. 15:51: “We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed”
I Thess 4:13: “I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope”
I Thess. 4:14: “If we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus”

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-05T08:45:58-0600

Only the best.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-05T08:45:52-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
It’s Somali. At least learn to spell it correctly. We can’t have illiterate people dumbing down the culture of our nation, you know. But since you brought it up, how about some examples from other cultures you believe have contributed positively so we can see what metric you’re using to judge Somalia?

Deflecting the question with another question with an ad hominem? You just proved my point.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-05T08:43:50-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
I've yet to hear anything about angry conservative culture that benefits the United States. Got anything?

Your deflection to avoid answering proved my point.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-05T08:43:21-0600

Hentenza said:
Out of my post you only quoted the scripture I posted so are you arguing with God?

No, we're arguing with you. You don't necessarily speak for God, even when you quote the Bible.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-05T08:43:21-0600

Larniavc said:
“ICE hiring chaos laid bare as fat, illiterate and violent misfits 'not ready to tie their own laces' are recruited”
So police officer, then?

ICE is actively trying to poach law enforcement to sign up, but there seems to be more trouble (in the article) with the applicants wandering in off the street or just out of high school.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-05T08:42:14-0600

comana said:
The claim that they were climbing back in an undamaged boat is also from a Congress member, so we can throw out that claim as well?

Yes.

CLEEB · 2025-12-05T08:41:54-0600

boughtwithaprice said:
We all say we are here to follow Jesus Christ to the reward of eternal life. Many have varying opinions on how to reach that goal, but I believe that is the goal of all of us.
Good news is that God loves us all, as He wants all men to be saved. Bad news is that we are still human and our flesh is at war with our spirit. We say we want to follow Jesus, but what do we do?
We all think we know the right way, but do we really? How do we find out? As fallen humans, we tend to believe what makes us feel good and helps us feel exalted.
If we follow that way, we become as sheep that go astray and each follows his own way. We go back to the original scriptures to try and avoid that, but the evidence is that way is incomplete. The original scriptures are subject to human interpretation, and their intended message becomes unclear.
Another way is to look at the Apostles and what they taught, but their records are incomplete from original manuscripts.
Some light can be shed by looking at the writings of those directly taught by the Apostles and see how the Gospel was being transmitted to future generations. Some say those generations apostacized and are not scripture so therefore unreliable. Did God really abandon His Church so quickly as to have it become publicly unstable in the second and third generations? I think that is a bit of a stretch in reason. I can perhaps see when secular authorities influenced the Church that argument can be made, although not necessarily true, but those taught directly by the Apostles and the generation that followed them?
What happened to the promise of the gates of hell shall not prevail?
Polycarp was taught directly by John the Apostle. He has one surviving writing in his letter to the Philippians, although not scripture, it gives us insight as to how the scripture was being taught.
Then we have Iraneus, who was taught by Polycarp. We have one of his writings intact called Demonstration of the Apostolic preaching.
Iraneus was also famous for a work called against heresies, which was written as a rebuke against the gnostics.
When we read the Demonstration of the Apostolic preaching, we get an idea of what was preached by those very close in time to Apostolic teaching. It is worth the read to see if what is taught today lines up with original Christian thought. Reading Agaisnt Heresies would give us an idea of what was taught by heretics contemporary to the Apostles.

I believe these works are worth reviewing and would be interested in others opinions on them, whether agree or disagree and why?

Peace be with you all. May Christ bless you and keep you and bring you to everlasting life

What I read in the scriptures is that the number who will be saved is few. I read that Jesus said Christians are taught by GOD through Jesus the mediator. I read that Jesus had a GOD and it was his FATHER. I read that human beings are totally mortal and must put thrift of immortality on. I see that men cannot properly interpret scripture because only the Holy Spirit of the FATHER does that. I see there was to be a great deception. I look at this world with 2.2 billion people all claiming to be Christians and I do not believe that. Many think we chose GOD and Christ but scripture says they choose us. There is something very wrong in what is called Christianity.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-05T08:40:03-0600

BPPLEE said:
Candace Owens has lost her mind

lol. This is the same loony stuff that’s made her a millionaire playing to her right wing base. It was just more fun when she was only going after the people the right doesn’t like.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-12-05T08:39:56-0600

Many of us contribute, either directly or indirectly, to supporting Christian missionary work around the world, including in countries with a Muslim majority. Christian missionaries establish schools and hospitals in rural areas of these regions, providing assistance to local communities while also sharing Gospel. .

Consider how difficult it is for Christian missionaries in Muslim countries when local newspapers run stories like this about the USA.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-05T08:39:52-0600

Servus said:
I'd say anyone who thinks we're talking about drug carrying speed boats making a nonstop trip from Venezuela to the US aren't putting much thought into logistics.

No, you didn't. Nor geography.

Servus said:
They're high speed drug smuggling boats. Carrying huge amounts of drugs. Speeding towards the US. The southern tip of Florida isn't that far away from the northern shores of Venezuela.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-05T08:36:55-0600

stevevw said:
Yet we have all these people making absolute claims based on fake news.

Go take it up with them. As it is, my point stands.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-05T08:36:06-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
From what I heard, they were trying to salvage the drugs. Some would consider that to be still in the fight.

Fight? Are the drug boats shooting back? I hadn't heard that.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-05T08:34:56-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
None whatsoever. What part of Samali heritage is of value to the United States?

It’s Somali. At least learn to spell it correctly. We can’t have illiterate people dumbing down the culture of our nation, you know. But since you brought it up, how about some examples from other cultures you believe have contributed positively so we can see what metric you’re using to judge Somalia?

Studyman · 2025-12-05T08:33:20-0600

Hentenza said:
The gentiles were only allowed in the outermost part of the temple called the court of the gentiles.

Not according to God's Law. But according to the Commandments of men the Pharisees taught for doctrines, this was true. According to the Pharisees, Faithful Gentiles "were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world". This is in part, one of the reasons the Messiah came in the first place, as the Bible teaches, for those "Seeking God's truth".

Mal. 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

You are free to yield yourself to the Law of the Pharisees if you like. You wouldn't be the first. But it is my sincere hope that you turn from this world's religions, and consider what is actually written in Scriptures.

Hentenza said:
The main congregation in the temple were Jews not gentiles. I hope you are not trying to claim that the law was also given to the gentiles collectively simply because a few gentiles would go to the temple. That would be in total error.

Actually it was the God that you profess to know, that tells you HE gives His Law to "ANYONE" who would join themselves to Him.

Ex. 12: 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Lev. 19: 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you "shall be unto you as one born among you", and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

There has never been Jew or Gentile in God's Church, that the Pharisees persecuted. There are only two kinds of men on earth, those who Yield themselves servants to obey God, and those who don't. This has been the Biblical Truth since Cain and Abel.

A truth the promoters of this world's religions hide from, as Jesus teaches.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-05T08:32:57-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Yeah, and Obama "illegally executed" Osama Bin Laden.

I am sorry for your loss.

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