Apple Sky said:

Maybe it was an angel.

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Based on my observations, why should we think that?

Larniavc said:

By a metric of a places ‘history’ the entire Earth should be crawling with ghosts. But it’s not.

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There was a specific event in childhood, as we were turning onto a road with a church at an intersection. I happened to look out at the cemetery beside the church and was struck by the thought that there was likely no place where someone hasn't died. This was in regards to a creepiness some feel at sleeping at a place where someone died. If there was no place where someone hasn't died, then there was no reason to be creeped out about sleeping there. Basically the same thing.

OTOH, someone from the 18th Century may well have argued that if rocks fell from the sky, then, over time, the ground should be covered with then. Put up something to collect dust away from structures, then run a magnet over it, and what sticks to it may well be micro iron meteorites, so in a way that's true: the ground is covered with tiny stones that fell from the sky. Just not how we might think of it.

As to ghosts, though, that gets to the question of the initial post. Christian belief is that it's appointed to us once to die, then after that the judgement. Lazarus and the Rich Man describes two different places, neither of which seems to where they have lived and died.

I was listening to Sixto Rodriguez and thought I would not mind learning a couple of his songs on guitar. I know there are the well known ones like 'I wonder' and 'Sugarman' and I like 'the Establishment Blues'.

But I wanted to choose something less known and I do like some of the lesser known ones like 'Street Boy' and 'I'll slip away'. But I thought these songs are more suited.

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Melily said:

I’m wondering if anyone here knows of a reputable place I could find any tactile icons? I’m looking for a gift for a blind friend at our parish. Thanks

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If you haven't already gotten one, you could check out Johnathan Pageau's website. He works with wood and stone. It looks like you have to join a Patreon in order make purchases. I'm not sure what that entails. Pageau Carvings

Larniavc said:

Apart from all the recorded evidence and well described mechanisms for and of their existence.

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Yet there would be no evidence that I saw a shooting star. And keep in mind that into the 18th Century, the idea that rocks could fall out of the sky was generally dismissed, considered superstition.

Maria Billingsley said:

Christian or not, human suffering caused by any ruler should suffer some form of sanction.

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Yes you would think so. It seems right and just to point it out and then actually do something and not just turn a blind eye. Its good its highlighting another issue besides the one we always here about every single day of our lives lol. So long as its consistent and fair it is just.

But its also strange or different to how we have been treating these issues. We have usually turned a blind eye and suddenly stepping in and saying now is the time to stop this evil and enough is enough. Thats either brave or stupid and asking for trouble.

I sort of like the fact that the persecution and near genocidal killing of Christians or any group is not being tolerated if we truely care about fellow humans. I have always felt uneasy that we in the west have got it lucky and we just sit there and let the world go crazy and evil. I think the sin of omission is just as bad as the sin of commission.

But it is confrontational and scary. It is brave perhaps. Sometimes I wonder when evil gets so bad should we do something. Can we do something as Christians. Or do we just sit back and clean up the mess. Or perhaps offer a third option. Is there a third or fourth option. Or is it too late.

Mercy Shown said:

So I can buy things on Sabbath, correct. Like a new bible in a Christian book store? I have a nice lake by my House so I like to take a swim after church and stretch out in the sun while enjoying nature around me. Now even though the bible says I should not kindle a fire, I can ignore that, correct, since I love a good fire in the wood stove on a cold sabbath day? What about the dishes and meal prep? Can I do that on the sabbath? One thing that I love to do is but on some earbuds and listen to gosple music while I mow the lawn on my riding mower. Some one told me I should only listen to Christian music on sabbath but what about classical music. Thank's for your answers in advance.

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The Bible has the answers.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

• Remember
• Keep it holy
• Work six days
• Rest the seventh day

Nehemiah 10:31 And if the people of the land bring ware or any victuals on the sabbath day to sell, that we would not buy it of them on the sabbath, or on the holy day: and that we would leave the seventh year, and the exaction of every debt.

• Do not buy or sell

Nehemiah 13:19 And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the sabbath: and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day.

• Do not work

Isaiah 58:13-14 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

• Do not travel
• Do not do your own ways
• Do not find your own pleasure
• Do not speak your own words

Conclusion: The answer is no on all points, because you're doing your own ways, buying/selling, finding your own pleasure or doing work. If you need a fire for heat then make a fire. If you're doing it for the pleasure of it, I would refrain from it on the Sabbath. If you shouldn't do your own ways/pleasure on the Sabbath or speak your own words, then what is it you should do and speak? What pleases God, what glorifies Him. "Remember to keep it holy." Also: Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Dan1988 said:

The "saved by cooperating with Gods work" version of the gospel is not found in the Bible. It was invented by Jacob Arminius.

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Arminius only rediscovered and revived something of which Christians received at the beginning and taught for the 15 centuries before he was born.

Dan1988 said:

Any other interpretation of the gospel, apart from "saved by grace" is a "saved by works" version. This version, claims that Jesus didn't complete the work of redemption on the cross, and you need to take up the slack and finish the job He failed to finish

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True Christianity has always taught that it’s impossible for man to be saved apart from grace; he’s lost, after all, and wouldn’t even know where to look for God to begin with. But that grace can be resisted; man must cooperate with it. He must, for example, put to death the deeds of the flesh by the Spirit in order to live, Rom 8:12-14.

Dan1988 said:

The problem with your theory, is that just before Jesus died on the cross He said "it is finished". But you say, "no Jesus, you failed to finish the work of salvation, so I need to step in and help you finish the job". I believe this theory is an abomination in Gods sight.

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It was finished-Jesus accomplished what He came to do, the sacrifice of His life for the sins of the world. Now…the world must care; we must be convicted and repent and walk with God the Spirit now whom Jesus sends to those who turn to Him and believe-and then continue to do so. This is Christianity at its most basic.

God's not asking us to turn of our brains- and He doesn't force us to become some sort of Christian robots, either. He informs us of His will by revelation and empowers us to obey it by His grace.

Maria Billingsley said:

Blessings

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It is all that we see of the false prophets being wind, that is what a confession of faith is not.

ALL FALSE PROPHET/TEXCHERS ARE KNOWN/REVEALED NOW.


Psalm 62:4 They only consult to cast him down from his excellency: they delight in lies: they bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly. Selah.

Apple Sky said:

Maybe it was an angel.

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It’s a poor look out for Christians everywhere if that was an angel.

Abraham1st said:

The Lord said He will go to the great men, for they had known the way of the Lord, and the judgement of their God, but they broke the yoke and burst the bonds, their transgressions are many, AND THEIR BACKSLIDINGS INCREASED.

Their children have forsaken the Lord, and SWORN BY THEM THAT ARE NO GODS, ( WHAT A CONFESSION OF FAITH IS NOT.) they committed adultery, every one neighed after his neighbours wife. How shall the soul of the Lord not be avenged on A NATION SUCH AS THAT.




Jeremiah 5:5 I will get me unto the great men, and will speak unto them; for they have known the way of the Lord, and the judgment of their God: but these have altogether broken the yoke, and burst the bonds.
6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evenings shall spoil them, a leopard shall watch over their cities: every one that goeth out thence shall be torn in pieces: because their transgressions are many, and their backslidings are increased.

Jeremiah 5:7 How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots' houses.
8 They were as fed horses in the morning: every one neighed after his neighbour's wife.
9 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the Lord: and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?




The house of Israel and the house of Judah dealt very treacherously against the Lord, and belied the Lord, saying it is not Him, and the PROPHETS became WIND, the word is NOT IN THEM, this way shall be done unto them.

This people have a REVOLTING and a REBELLIOUS HEART. They do not say in their HEART, let us now FEAR THE LORD OUR GOD.

They OVERPASS THE DEEDS OF THE WICKED, they judge not the cause of the fatherless, they judge not the right of the needy. Shall not the Lord's soul be avenged on a NATION SUCH AS THIS.

A WONDERUL AND HORRIBLE THING IS COMMITED IN THE LAND, the PROPHETS PROPHESY FALSELY, and the PRIESTS bear rule BY THEIR MEANS, and the Lords people LOVE TO HAVE IT SO.




Jeremiah 5:11 For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the Lord.
12 They have belied the Lord, and said, It is not he; neither shall evil come upon us; neither shall we see sword nor famine:
13 And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them.

Jeremiah 5:23 But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.
24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the Lord our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.

Jeremiah 5:28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.
29 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the Lord: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?



The Lords declares to Israel they shall lave their name for a curse unto HIs chosen, as the Lord would slay them and CALL HIS SERVANTS BY ANOTHER NAME. That he who blesses himself, blesses in the God of TRUTH, and he who SWEARS, SHALL SWEAR BY THE GOD OF TRUTH, as the former troubles are FORGOTTEN AND HID FROM HIS EYES. (And though they say, The Lord liveth; surely they swear falsely. Leviticus 19:12. Jeremiah 5:2.)

These shall be the Lords people, and He will be their God, He will GIVE THEM ONE HEART, AND ONE WAY, that they may FEAR HI FOR EVER, for their good.

He will make with them an everlasting covenant, but will PUT HIS FEAR IN THEIR HEARTS, so they do not depart from Him, He will rejoice over them to do them good, and plant them ASSUREDLY, in that land with HIS WHOLE HEART AND WITH HIS WHOLE SOUL. The Lord declared, as He had brought all that great evil upon that people, so He will bring upon them all the good that He has PROMISED UNTO THEM.





Leviticus 19:12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

Jeremiah 32:38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:
39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
41 Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.
42 For thus saith the Lord; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them.



The Lord said surely the men of Israel will FEAR HIM, they will RECEIVE INSTRUCTION, however He punished them they rose up and CORRUPTED ALL THEIR DOINGS. Therefore wait upon the Lord, said the Lord, HIs DETERMINATION IS TO GATHER THE NATIONS, and ASSEMLE THE KINGDOMS, and all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of HIs jealousy.

For then He will TURN TO THE PEOPLE A PURE LANGUAGE, THAT THEY MAY ALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD, TO SERVE HIM WITH ONE CONSENT.

He will come near to them to JUDGEMENT, HE WILL BE A SWIFT WITNESS AGAINST THE SORCERERS, AND AAINST THE ADULTERERS, AND AGAINST FALSE SWEARERS. (WHAT A CONFESSION OF FAITH IS NOT.)

Against those who OPPRESS, the hired hand, the widow and the fatherless, and who TURN ASIDE the stranger from HIS RIGHT, and FEAR NOT THE LORD, said the Lord of hosts.




Zephaniah 3:7 I said, Surely thou wilt fear me, thou wilt receive instruction; so their dwelling should not be cut off, howsoever I punished them: but they rose early, and corrupted all their doings.
8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

Zephaniah 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent.

Malachi 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.





FALSE PROPHETS, AS THERE ARE ALSO FALSE TEACHERS AMONG US.

They bring in DAMNABLE HERESIES, many follow their SUBTLE WAYS, they speak EVIL OF THE TRUTH.

THROIUGH COVETEOUSNESS, (COVETEOUSNESS IS IDOLATRY.) they with FEIGNED WORDS make merchandise of many,

CLOUDS CARRIED with a tempest, feeding themselves WITHOUT FEAR, CLOUDS they are without water CARRIED ABOUT OF WINDS. (THE PROPHETS SHALL BECOME WIND, AND THE WORD IS NOT IN THEM, THUS SHALL IT BE DONE UNTO THEM. Jeremiah 5:13.)




2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.


2 Peter 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Jeremiah 5:13 And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them.

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Soooo.....what is it? Personal, communal, denomination specific? Honestly, other than repenting from unbelief to belief and our love for Jesus Christ of Nazareth our Savior sees no boundaries , the rest comes naturally through His Holy Spirit.
I guess this could be a statement or confession of faith?
Blessings

2PhiloVoid said:

There's more than two perspectives at odds here, Steve. That's part of the problem.

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I think I already acknowledged that when I said that there are many groups and denominations divided over the issues. That is the problem. When you take into consideration all views and beliefs its too hard to deal with.

If the matter requires some determination one way or another than the idea that this is a matter of subjective opinion or belief is itself a mind field that can never be sorted. You just have to accept that there are many positions and so be it.

But to then try and argue or fight over those different opinions and beliefs like there is a truth to be established seems counter productive. Because the very idea that there is one truth will be against the idea that there are many beliefs that should be included in the market place. Whats the use in fighting over that when its going to cause conflicts lol.

2PhiloVoid said:

I agree. That's why you don't see me relying on solipsistic (rather than merely subjective) opinion. I prefer facts and evidence over speculation and unproven dogma.

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Ok, I agree facts or a reasoned basis is good. But what do you mean by "rather than merely subjective) opinion". Is there a subjective opinion that can be relied on. I mean you could say its all subjective opinion. I agree a self referential and subjective lens can miss a lot thats going on outside you.

But I think there is an aspect of 'self' perhaps through real lived experiences that is like a science in a way. What people would call reality. Like saying to someone "get real". We come to understand certain modes of thinking and behaviour is unreal or unhealthy or even immoral due to our lived experiences over time.

So we have another aspect of understanding ourselves and the world apart from the sciences that is not really science yet is a reality we can know from our experiences. For example we learnt human rights or rather codified them from the bad experiences and evil of wars. They are like laws of physics to us and we don't question them.

So in this sense I think we can look at lived reality and find truths or facts if you like about how weshould be and order ourselves as a society. But science is an additional aspect that should also align. All aspects including the bible should align if it is truth.

2PhiloVoid said:

Me too.

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Yes and I think all the recent trouble and conflicts and divisions and hate and all that makes you think and take a step back and think surely there has to be a another way to sort this out. Then I think of course it is Christ. It always comes back to Christs example.

But I think many may be thinking the same. I think we may see hopefully an uprising or revival if you like and people reflecting and reproving their faith and uniting.

stevevw said:

I don't know how to feel about this. It is good that finally a leader has the guts to stand up to these evil radicals. It is good that other cases of inhumane treatment is being highlighted. It seems strange that it has taken so long for someone to highlight this in the worlds eyes. With all the attention on Gaza and Isreal we forget there are other much worse situations.

Why was there no protests in the streets or on campuses for the almost genocidal levels of Christian persecution throughout the world.

Trump opens the door for sanctions on Nigeria over persecution of Christians

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/10/31/united-states-nigeria-sanctions-trump-religious-freedom/1f79de18-b695-11f0-88c1-4e2f98984a34_story.html

PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIANS 'CLOSE TO GENOCIDE' - Release International

‘Calling out the inconvenient truth that the overwhelming majority – 80 per cent – of persecuted religious believers are Christians.’ -

releaseinternational.org

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Christian or not, human suffering caused by any ruler should suffer some form of sanction.

Hezbollah is not facing disarmament, but is in the midst of a rearmament process. According to information from security circles, which is also cited by the Wall Street Journal, the Lebanese Shiite militia has once again become a regional power in the shadows in recent months, despite daily Israeli attacks in the south and although the Lebanese army is officially tasked with disarming the terrorist organisation.

The news that has Jerusalem on alert is that the weapons arsenal is growing again. Rockets, artillery pieces, anti-tank systems, drones and precision components are being identified in increasing numbers. Some of them come from Syria, via smuggling routes that are still functioning despite Israeli air operations. Another part arrives by sea or is manufactured directly in Lebanon itself. According to the Israeli military, these are no longer isolated remnants, but a systematic rebuilding.

Particularly disturbing is the assessment by Arab intelligence services that Hezbollah has changed its operational concept. Instead of operating within centralised command structures, it now works in smaller, autonomous cells, similar to the model used by Hamas in the Gaza Strip. This ‘dispersion of power’ makes it more difficult to attack and allows it to remain operational even after suffering heavy blows. Veterans from within the organisation, many of whom are battle-hardened in Syria, are taking on the training of new recruits in hidden facilities.

The agreement between Jerusalem and Beirut, which was concluded a year ago, was intended not only to secure the border, but also to create a framework for the disarmament of Hezbollah. Instead, it is now apparent that the Lebanese army is acting hesitantly, with parts of its structures even cooperating with the militia in specific areas, especially in regions where the operational separation between state and paramilitary forces has long since dissolved.

Israel. In recent months, the country has attacked more than a thousand targets in Lebanon: warehouses, launch pads, communication points. But the effect remains limited when new supplies arrive at the same time and local workshops continue production. The attempt to force the enemy to surrender through sustained pressure faces a dilemma: Israel's military strength can destroy, but cannot permanently prevent Hezbollah from regenerating as long as the Lebanese state does not intervene independently.

Hezbollah's resurgence is not a surprise, but it is a warning sign. Can we now imagine what the creation of another Muslim state in the midst of the biblical heartland of the Jewish people would mean in terms of the potential for destruction of the people of Israel?

stevevw said:

Why is everyone scared of Trump or any president holding government for long periods. In my nation and in many others we have a history of priministers sometimes being in government often for 3 terms or longer. Some of our best periods were under long term leaders.

I think it’s actually better as it allows stability. The system where potentially the government can change every 4 years seems self defeating. It’s like one step forward and two steps back. Each time the new opposing party undoes most of the policies and changes. Forever undoing progress. Especially when you consider that the parties today are radically different.

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It is not just the idea of 3 or more terms for anyone, it is about hating Trump plain and simple. Trump represents a disinfectant type of exposure and change unacceptable to one side of the political spectrum.

Free2bHeretical4Him! said:

”When Jesus saw the crowds, He went up on the mountain; and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him. He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying,

Note: It is my belief that Jesus was teaching the disciples that the below is the fruit they are to bear:

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. “Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth. “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭12‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: The fruit we are to bear, that shines forth as light before men, giving glory to God our Father, is not what we do but rather the fruit is what we are in relationship to our brothers.

”A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
‭‭John‬ ‭13‬:‭34‬-‭35‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: This fruit is only produced through love! Our righteousness cannot exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees until we realize we are the righteousness of Christ.

”For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”“
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2‬:‭19‬-‭21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: This is what those to whom Jesus would speak about, later in His discourse, did not understand when He said:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: Their reply was look at what we did …

”And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: the lawlessness they were practicing was the righteousness of the Pharisees. Self righteousness … He concludes His discourse with the following illustration, that I believe refers back to where he started in chapter five. “Blessed are …”, is the foundation for the rest of the discourse and is summed up below:

”“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭24‬-‭27‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: I believe the cross of which He spoke about, that we should take up and bear, is one and the same as the yoke we are to take upon ourselves. The Giver of the law became the Fulfiller of the law that we, by His grace, can walk in faith, knowing all has been accomplished for us. His cross was one we could never carry, nor were we ever intended to carry, it was His and His alone. Our cross is to become the fruit produced by the cross He bore on behalf of the Father.

”Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭28‬-‭30‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Note: This is what I have received from Him as I have read your dialogue with others in this thread, and at least for now, is really all I have to say on the matter.

blessings …

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These are always the things to hear and do..


John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Homily Monday, November 3 2025

31st OT



Rm 11:29-36

"God delivered all to disobedience."



Some humans shut themselves up, often refusing to be with God. But God loves and frees every person who want to be freed.



Lk 14:12-14

Jesus says: "Do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or your wealthy neighbors, rather (…) invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind."



Jesus speaks to us of the realities of heaven. He does not speak of earthly reality.



What does he mean? What he means is in these three words: "invite the poor."



There are those who are poor in society, in school, in shelter, in clothing, in anxiety. There are millions of differences between each earthly poor.



Everyone is family. The greatest poverty of our time is that the majority of people do not know that they are Loved by God. Let us tell them gently. Those who experience great poverty can find balance with God's Love.



Biblical texts: NAB-RE

Normand Thomas.

PloverWing said:

I've been trying to understand the Trump phenomenon for almost a decade now. What you've said here gives me one informative piece of the puzzle.

I hear you saying that you believe that Trump is an agent of God, doing God's work, and that opposition to Trump comes (at least in part) from spiritual forces that are opposed to the work of God. Have I understood you correctly?

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You partial get what I am saying, I will try to clarify. I said I believe God chose Trump for this country in this time for His purpose. That does not mean Trump is a perfect man , there has only been one of those and that was Jesus. God uses imperfect men for his purposes even though sometimes self righteous judges of men think that God would never do that.

PloverWing said:

If that's your view, then strong loyalty to Trump does make some sense. After all, who would want to oppose the work of God?

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This country had fallen into darkness with much of our leadership participating in corruption as evidenced be the many investigations and facts now coming to light. My real loyalty is to the mission of restoring this nation to its roots, who ever God chooses to do that is fine with me. There actually is a right and a wrong, a black and white and a common sense way of doing things. So far from all the evidence I see it is one side of the political spectrum causing most of the moral disintegration of this nation. Who is it that supports abortion on demand, open borders, opposes law and order in many cases, transgenderism being force fed to very young kids. Who is it that hates the America as founded and seeks to mold it into some unrecognizable form of it’s former self.

PloverWing said:

I want to ask a clarifying question. Do you see Trump as a figure who embodies God's word and will in the same sense as prophets like Isaiah and Elijah, so that the words he says in his tweets and speeches are reflecting the message and character of God? Or, alternatively, do you see Trump as a figure like Nebuchadnezzar, a secular figure used by God to smash a nation that needed smashing (as divine punishment for sin, perhaps)?

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No, I do not think Trump is comparable to prophets of God. I do believe Trump’s purpose is to right this ship, meaning returning this nation to its former glory and to start the process of rooting out deeply embedded corruption. It’s not about “divine punishment “ this is about stopping waste, fraud and all types of corruption. Yes I believe this is a spiritual battle and when I use the term “ unnatural hatred “ of Trump that an indicator of the spiritual nature of this situation. It should be obvious that if my beliefs are true that God put Trump in this position for a specific reason to spend exhaustive energy to fight Trump at every turn cannot be a righteous cause. This is a fact, there are several documented cases where Christian leaders who before the fact prophesied Trump would have two terms. It is up to every individual as to whether or not they accept that as legitimate. But it cannot be denied that these Christian leaders said what they said. Just look at the fact of who is calling who nazi and worse, who is committing/supporting violence in the streets and calling it peaceful protest? Who is promoting a communist for mayor of NY? Your question asking if I think Trumps speeches, and tweets represent the character of God tells me all I need to know about the real purpose of your questions. I could ask if AOC, Schumer, Jeffries , Pelosi and others of that camp represent moral clarity on anything. No Trumps tweets do not represent the character of God but God is using a flawed human being to expose some of the hidden darkness of this nation.

Bro.T said:

Let’s go into Ecclesiastes 12: 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Now this our duty which is our responsibility and obligation.

Let’s go into Revelation 20: 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So we see how works play a very very important part in life.

Let’s go into Proverbs 14: 15 The simple believeth every word: But the prudent man looketh well to his going. 16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: But the fool rageth, and is confident.
The Simple is the mature person and the prudent is wise and discreet and very careful, but the person fool that rageth is fume with fury, rant and rave.

Proverbs 2: 1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, And hide my commandments with thee; 2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, And apply thine heart to understanding; 3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, And liftest up thy voice for understanding; 4 If thou seekest her as silver, And searchest for her as for hid treasures; 5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, And find the knowledge of God.
6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: Out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. 7 He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: He is a buckler to them that walk uprightly. 8 He keepeth the paths of judgment, And preserveth the way of his saints. 9 Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, And equity; yea, every good path. 10 When wisdom entereth into thine heart, And knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul; 11 Discretion shall preserve thee, Understanding shall keep thee:

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John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

False prophets teach a lot, and they do nothing, and the ones they teach do nothing the same.

The example of Christ and for belief to not die in or sins is to believe He died for our sins and rose again for our justification.

False prophets/teachers teach another Jesus, and not Jesus Christ and Him crucified.



Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Yusuphhai said:

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Is Messianic Judaism included into Israel? If the interpretation of 'Israel' is from a racial perspective, Can Messianic Judaism change the race of people with such ideological tendencies? Will we see the mixed multitude, who took the vow at Sinai, in the kingdom to come?

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This is a very profound and important question.

The Bible makes it clear that G-d has not rejected his people Israel (Rom 11:1). Paul himself was a Jew who believed in Jesus; so, in a sense, a Messianic Jew. He still sees himself as part of Israel. Messianic Jews are therefore part of Israel, both ethnically and spiritually. They are a living testament to the fact that G-d has not forgotten his people.

Messianic Jews demonstrate that faith in Jesus transcends ethnic boundaries. Faith in Jesus changes hearts and thus also attitudes. When someone recognises that G-d loves and accepts people regardless of their origin, skin colour or ancestry, racial thinking loses its foundation. Messianic Judaism can therefore be a living example of how G-d breaks down walls between people.

Perhaps you know people who harbour prejudices against Jews or other groups. In Ephesians 2:14–16, Paul describes how Jesus "hath broken down the middle wall of partition" between Jews and non-Jews. #30

Israel crossed the desert to Mount Sinai and from there entered the land of Canaan. Every Israelite who arrived in the land was promised an inheritance. The whole land of Israel was divided among the 12 tribes (cf. Numbers 34; Joshua 13-22). Everyone who belonged to a tribe of Israel was entitled to an inheritance within his tribe. The Levites played a special role in this, as they only received the Levitical cities (cf. Numbers 35:1-8) as their inheritance.

But what about the strangers? What inheritance did a stranger receive when he came with Israel to the land of Canaan? Were strangers entitled to an inheritance at all? What legal way was and is there within the Torah for a stranger to actually become a citizen of Israel?

For a single woman like Ruth, this question is quite easy to answer. Ruth married a son of the Jew Elimelech and thus found her rightful place in the genealogy of Judah. Even after the death of her husband and father-in-law, Ruth remained loyal to her new tribe and ultimately married Boaz, who redeemed her inheritance for her.

But how could a man who may still have had a family of his own become a true Hebrew?

The clear answer from Scripture is that he became one by observing the Passover.

It was strictly forbidden for any stranger to eat the Passover.

And the Lord said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:... A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof. Ex 12:43 .45

It was strictly forbidden for any guest or visitor in Israel to eat the Passover. Only genuine native citizens of Israel were allowed to celebrate the Passover. However, if a stranger still wanted to celebrate the Passover, there was a way for him to do so.

And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. Ex 12:48

After circumcision, every stranger was free to celebrate Passover. And by doing so, he was counted as a native of Israel. One could say that the blood of the Passover lamb stood for a new citizenship.

Thus, there was not a single stranger who kept the Passover on the night of the exodus from Egypt, even though a large mixed multitude went with the native Hebrews (cf. Exodus 12:38).

The observance of the Passover meal, which was ultimately a covenant meal with the Creator of heaven and earth, allowed every stranger to enter into the inheritance community of the people of Israel.

In the NT, we receive a more detailed explanation of this fact. We know that the Passover lamb represents the death and resurrection of the Messiah Jesus.

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 1:29

Jesus, as the Lamb of G-d, died precisely on Passover (cf. John 12:1; 19:31). Through His death and resurrection, He opened the way to the Messianic kingdom of peace for everyone who wants to enter it.

Paul took up this idea in his letter to the Ephesians and explained to his readers:

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without G-d in the world: Eph 2:11-12

We recognise the Passover language that Paul used to the Ephesians. They were once uncircumcised and without the Messiah, the Passover lamb, and thus far from the citizenship and promises of Israel.

But now, in Messiah Jesus, you who were once far off have been brought near by the blood of the Messiah (Ephesians 2:13).

But through the Messiah, the Passover lamb, the Ephesians have become citizens of Israel and thus also heirs of the promise, for they have now been brought near to the covenants of promise.

How were they brought near? Through the Passover sacrifice, through the korban that was slaughtered for them. Incidentally, it should be mentioned that the Hebrew word for sacrifice, qorban, actually means, in essence, to bring something or someone near or to approach.

When we see this connection between Passover and the promises and citizenship in Israel, the Kingdom of G-d, what does that mean for us? What does Passover mean for us?

We come as strangers, born in sin (cf. Psalm 51:5), to Jesus and His people Israel. We want to escape from the slavery of sin and begin a new life in the Kingdom of G-d. By keeping Passover, we testify year after year that the Messiah has freed us from the slavery of sin and that we are no longer citizens of the world. Through the Passover sacrifice, we are citizens of the Kingdom of G-d, citizens of Israel with all the rights and obligations that go with it.

Passover is our gateway to our inheritance. The gateway to our freedom. And the gateway to a new life.

Dan Perez said:

And. you did quote many verses , BUT out of CONTEXT. and one did stand out 2 Thess 2:7.

and Paul was a CALLED //. KLETOS. and SEPARATED. //. APHORIZO. and this Greek word means LIMITED to only


preach. Gods GOSPEL and CALLED in. Greek is ONLY in. the SINGULAR and that means Paul can only GRACE , IN.

Rom 6:14. for we are NOT. // is. a DISJUNATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE. under the LAW , but under GRACE , Rom 6:14 !!

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The Lord said He will go to the great men, for they had known the way of the Lord, and the judgement of their God, but they broke the yoke and burst the bonds, their transgressions are many, AND THEIR BACKSLIDINGS INCREASED.

Their children have forsaken the Lord, and SWORN BY THEM THAT ARE NO GODS, ( WHAT A CONFESSION OF FAITH IS NOT.) they committed adultery, every one neighed after his neighbours wife. How shall the soul of the Lord not be avenged on A NATION SUCH AS THAT.




Jeremiah 5:5 I will get me unto the great men, and will speak unto them; for they have known the way of the Lord, and the judgment of their God: but these have altogether broken the yoke, and burst the bonds.
6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evenings shall spoil them, a leopard shall watch over their cities: every one that goeth out thence shall be torn in pieces: because their transgressions are many, and their backslidings are increased.

Jeremiah 5:7 How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots' houses.
8 They were as fed horses in the morning: every one neighed after his neighbour's wife.
9 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the Lord: and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?




The house of Israel and the house of Judah dealt very treacherously against the Lord, and belied the Lord, saying it is not Him, and the PROPHETS became WIND, the word is NOT IN THEM, this way shall be done unto them.

This people have a REVOLTING and a REBELLIOUS HEART. They do not say in their HEART, let us now FEAR THE LORD OUR GOD.

They OVERPASS THE DEEDS OF THE WICKED, they judge not the cause of the fatherless, they judge not the right of the needy. Shall not the Lord's soul be avenged on a NATION SUCH AS THIS.

A WONDERUL AND HORRIBLE THING IS COMMITED IN THE LAND, the PROPHETS PROPHESY FALSELY, and the PRIESTS bear rule BY THEIR MEANS, and the Lords people LOVE TO HAVE IT SO.




Jeremiah 5:11 For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the Lord.
12 They have belied the Lord, and said, It is not he; neither shall evil come upon us; neither shall we see sword nor famine:
13 And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them.

Jeremiah 5:23 But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.
24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the Lord our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.

Jeremiah 5:28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.
29 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the Lord: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?



The Lords declares to Israel they shall lave their name for a curse unto HIs chosen, as the Lord would slay them and CALL HIS SERVANTS BY ANOTHER NAME. That he who blesses himself, blesses in the God of TRUTH, and he who SWEARS, SHALL SWEAR BY THE GOD OF TRUTH, as the former troubles are FORGOTTEN AND HID FROM HIS EYES. (And though they say, The Lord liveth; surely they swear falsely. Leviticus 19:12. Jeremiah 5:2.)

These shall be the Lords people, and He will be their God, He will GIVE THEM ONE HEART, AND ONE WAY, that they may FEAR HI FOR EVER, for their good.

He will make with them an everlasting covenant, but will PUT HIS FEAR IN THEIR HEARTS, so they do not depart from Him, He will rejoice over them to do them good, and plant them ASSUREDLY, in that land with HIS WHOLE HEART AND WITH HIS WHOLE SOUL. The Lord declared, as He had brought all that great evil upon that people, so He will bring upon them all the good that He has PROMISED UNTO THEM.





Leviticus 19:12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

Jeremiah 32:38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:
39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
41 Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.
42 For thus saith the Lord; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them.



The Lord said surely the men of Israel will FEAR HIM, they will RECEIVE INSTRUCTION, however He punished them they rose up and CORRUPTED ALL THEIR DOINGS. Therefore wait upon the Lord, said the Lord, HIs DETERMINATION IS TO GATHER THE NATIONS, and ASSEMLE THE KINGDOMS, and all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of HIs jealousy.

For then He will TURN TO THE PEOPLE A PURE LANGUAGE, THAT THEY MAY ALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD, TO SERVE HIM WITH ONE CONSENT.

He will come near to them to JUDGEMENT, HE WILL BE A SWIFT WITNESS AGAINST THE SORCERERS, AND AAINST THE ADULTERERS, AND AGAINST FALSE SWEARERS. (WHAT A CONFESSION OF FAITH IS NOT.)

Against those who OPPRESS, the hired hand, the widow and the fatherless, and who TURN ASIDE the stranger from HIS RIGHT, and FEAR NOT THE LORD, said the Lord of hosts.




Zephaniah 3:7 I said, Surely thou wilt fear me, thou wilt receive instruction; so their dwelling should not be cut off, howsoever I punished them: but they rose early, and corrupted all their doings.
8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

Zephaniah 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent.

Malachi 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.





FALSE PROPHETS, AS THERE ARE ALSO FALSE TEACHERS AMONG US.

They bring in DAMNABLE HERESIES, many follow their SUBTLE WAYS, they speak EVIL OF THE TRUTH.

THROIUGH COVETEOUSNESS, (COVETEOUSNESS IS IDOLATRY.) they with FEIGNED WORDS make merchandise of many,

CLOUDS CARRIED with a tempest, feeding themselves WITHOUT FEAR, CLOUDS they are without water CARRIED ABOUT OF WINDS. (THE PROPHETS SHALL BECOME WIND, AND THE WORD IS NOT IN THEM, THUS SHALL IT BE DONE UNTO THEM. Jeremiah 5:13.)




2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.


2 Peter 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Jeremiah 5:13 And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them.

WHAT A CONFESSION OF FAITH IS NOT.



Jesus does not answer the hypocritical nation of Israel doing tit for tat, but is FULFILLING/completing what He Himself had spoken/testified to all Israel, THAT PEOPLE honour the Lord with their LIPS. ( but their heart is far from me.) In VAIN THEY WORSHIP HIM, as their DOCTRINE is the commandments of men.

Jesus called ALL THE PEOPLE, and said LISTEN TO HIM EVERY ONE OF THEM, AND UNDERSTAND.

What COMES OUT OF THE MAN DEFILES THE MAN. ( if any man had ears to hear, then let him hear.)

His disciples did not PERCEIVE, did not UNDERSTAND, that what was without the HEART, does not DEFILE.

Jesus told the disciples, what COMES OUT OF THE MAN, DEFILES HIM. (THIS PEOPLE HONOUR ME WITH THEIR LIPS.)

Out of the heart of man PROCEEDS EVIL THOUGHTS, adulteries, fornication, murders, thefts, COVETOUSNESS, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, BLASPHEMY, pride, foolishness. ( all these EVIL things come from within and DEFILE the man.

The Epistles exhort the BELIEVERS to avoid fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry. ( JESUS TOLD THE HYPOCRITES OF THEIR COVETEOUSNESS, AND COVETEOUSNESS IS THEIR IDOLATRY.)



Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you HYPOCRITES, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:

Mark 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

Mark 7:17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Mark 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:



In case it was not UNDERSTOOD, in case they did not HEAR, Matthew tells again, how THIS PEOPLE DRAW NEAR UNTO THE LORD WTH THEIR MOUTH, and HONOUR HIM WITH THEIR LIPS. ( but their HEART IS FAR FROM HIM.)

Jesus gives the UNDERSTANDING, it is not something that goes in those HYPOCRITICAL MOUTHS, that DEFILES THEM, (THOSE MOUTHS) but what comes OUT OF THE MOITH. ( that DEFILES THEIR MOIUTH.)

Jesus gives further UNDERSTANDING, THOSE THINGS WHICH PROCEED OUT OF THE MOUTH, DEFILE the man. ( they come forth from the HEART/ For out of the heart proceed EVIL THOUGHTS, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, FALSE WITNESS, BLASPHEMIES.)

So what a CONFESSION OF FAITH IS NOT, are the EVIL THOUGHTS SPOKEN FROM THE MOUTH OF HYPOCRITES, the FALSE WITNESS they honour the Lord by HYPOCRITICAL MOUTHS AND LIPS, and the BLASPHEMY they SPEAK, and no true HONOUR.




Matthew 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH, and HONOURETH ME WITH THEIR LIPS; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.





Jesus had answered already what He would PROCEEDD to do, as THIS PEOPLES FEAR IS TAUGHT TOWARD GOD BY THE PRECEPT OF MEN.

BEHOLD, He will do a MARVELLOUS WORK among THIS PEOPLE, even a MARVELOUS WORK AND A WONDER, the WISDOM OF THEIFR WISE MEN SHALL PERISH, the UNDERSTANDING, of THEIR PRUDENT SHALL BE HID.

In THAT DAY, the MEEK and the POOR joy and rejoice in the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, as the terrible one is BROUGHT TO NOTHING, the SCORNER IS CONSUMED, who watch for INIQUITY, they are CUT OFF. They make a man OFFEND for a word, they lay a SNARE for him that REPROVES, and turn aside the JUST FOR THESE PEOPLES THINGS OF NOTHING. His children shall SANCTIFY HIS NAME, SANCTIFY THE HOLY ONE OF JACOB, and shall FEAR THE GOD OF ISRAEL. ( not as these who HONOUR HIM WITH THEIR MOUTH AND DRAW NEAR UNTO HIM WITH THEIR LIPS/so called CONFESSION OF FAITH.)

The Lord said HEAR THIS house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and the waters of Judah, WHO SWEAR BY THE NAME OF THE LORD, and MAKE MENTION of the God of Israel, BUT NOT IN TRUTH NOR IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. They CALL THEMSELVES of the holy city, and sat THEMSELVES upon the God of Israel, the Lord of Hosts is HIS NAME.

They weary in their OWN GREATNESS, and they do not say THERE IS NO HOPE, they find the LIFE OF THEIR HAND, therefore they ARE NOT GRIEVED.

They lied and did not remember the Lord, nor laid it to their heart, He held His peace even of old and they FEAR NOT HIM. The Lord said HE WILL DECLARE THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR WORKS: FOR THEY SHALL NOT PROFIT THEM. (SURELY THEY SWEAR FALSELY.)




Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:
21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
22 Therefore thus saith the Lord, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale.
23 But when he seeth his children, the work of mine hands, in the midst of him, they shall sanctify my name, and sanctify the Holy One of Jacob, and shall fear the God of Israel.
24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.

Isaiah 48:1 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the Lord, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness.
2 For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The Lord of hosts is his name.

Isaiah 57:10 Thou art wearied in the greatness of thy way; yet saidst thou not, There is no hope: thou hast found the life of thine hand; therefore thou wast not grieved.
11 And of whom hast thou been afraid or feared, that thou hast lied, and hast not remembered me, nor laid it to thy heart? have not I held my peace even of old, and thou fearest me not?
12 I will declare thy righteousness, and thy works; for they shall not profit thee.




The Lord said run through Jerusalem, se and know, if you can find a man, if there be any that EXECUTES JUDGEMENT, that SEEKS THE TRUTH, and He will PARDON IT.

Though the men of Jerusalem and Israel speak SAYING, THE LORD LIVES, SURELY THEY SWEAR FALSELY. (WHAT A CONFESSION OF FAITH IS NOT.)

The Lords eyes are UPON THE TRUTH, He struck them but they HAVE NOT GRIEVED, He CONSUMED THEM, but they have REFUSED TO RECEIVE CORRECTION, making their faces harder than a rock, THEY HAVE REFUSED TO RETURN.




Jeremiah 3:1 Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it.
2 And though they say, The Lord liveth; surely they swear falsely.
3 O Lord, are not thine eyes upon the truth? thou hast stricken them, but they have not grieved; thou hast consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction: they have made their faces harder than a rock; they have refused to return.

Tuur said:

To this day I don't know. Given the time of year and history

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By a metric of a places ‘history’ the entire Earth should be crawling with ghosts. But it’s not.