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johansen · 2025-04-29T21:52:43-0500

Guojing said:
That means the instruction scrolls of Leviticus 13 and 14, regarding leprosy, was basically untouched and collecting dust, by any chief priest, until Matthew 8:2-4.

we don't know that.

were they forgotten about at various points in time? quite possibly. there was an incident where josiah iirc discovered the book of the law and the people were moved to repentance. really makes me wonder what was really going on.

But the laws regarding leppers did not heal them

Fantine · 2025-04-29T21:52:30-0500

A second Democratic Congressman filed letters of impeachment on Trump today. His were more comprehensive and focused than the first. They will sit around until Democrats get Congress back in 2026. Apparently Trump's $100 million attorneys are already working on impeachment defenses.

wing2000 · 2025-04-29T21:52:08-0500

IOW, Flyn is attacking any relgious orgnization that is caring for the immigrant and the commandments of Jesus Christ.

Bradskii · 2025-04-29T21:51:47-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Why do you think I pick what you consider a "meaningless tournament?" The answer is that the only situation I can find in which a professional woman's team plays against men are in "meaningless tournaments."

And you dug up an old report on a tournament to actually make just that point? I wonder where you get this stuff from? You certainly didn't just happen on it browsing the news as it's a year old. Do you mind telling us what site alerted you to this? I'd love to see the context.

seeking.IAM · 2025-04-29T21:51:38-0500

I invite my fellow Anglicans as well as my learned Orthodox friend @The Liturgist to share their experiences, knowledge, and or reactions to the subject of this thread.

As you may recall, a couple of years ago I relocated resulting in a change from attending an Anglo-Catholic Episcopal parish with high churchmanship which was my entry point into Anglicanism. Now things are quite different. My new parish has lower churchmanship probably best defined as broad church and is decidedly not Anglo-Catholic. There has been much for me to adjust to, but especially now I'm curious about a local practice of celebrating the second Sunday of Easter as "Holy Humor Sunday." This is totally new to me, so I ask is this a thing, a local anomaly, a practice elsewhere in the church, a re-emerging trend, a historical practice lost in antiquity? I am trying to learn about it and sort out my own reactions to it as an admittedly rather stuffy high church Anglo-Catholic.

This explanation from Sunday's bulletin:

For centuries in Easter Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant countries, the week following Easter Sunday, including "Bright Sunday" (the second Sunday after Easter), was observed by the faithful as 'days of joy and laughter" with parties and picnics to celebrate Jesus' resurrection. Priests would deliberately include amusing stories and jokes in their sermon in an attempt to make the faithful laugh. Churchgoers and pastors played practical jokes on each other, drenched each other with water, told jokes, sang and danced. It was their way of celebrating the resurrection of Christ - the supreme joke God played on Satan by raising Jesus from the dead. Early church theologians (like Augustine, Gregory of Nyssa, and John Chrysostom) mused that God played a practical joke on the devil by raising Jesus from the dead. "Risus Paschalis - The Easter Laugh," the early theologians called it. The observance of Risus Paschalis was officially outlawed by Pope Clement X in the 17th century. While it's unclear why the tradition faded in Orthodox & Protestant traditions, it has experienced a bit of a revival. In 1988, the Fellowship of Merry Christians began encouraging churches to resurrect this tradition to celebrate the grace and mercy of God through the gift of laughter and joy.

What is your experience, knowledge, and/or reaction? It is all new to me.

Richard T · 2025-04-29T21:51:29-0500

Guojing said:
He did remind the nation of Israel in Luke 4:27

And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

Do you understand why, before Jesus's first coming to Israel, God did not heal any Israelites of leprosy?

No, can you share the purpose of not healing lepers? Was it judgment? There are some other folks too in the OT that were not healed. Leviticus 21:16-23 specifies that anyone with physical defects could not approach the altar to offer sacrifices. Mephibosheth too was an example.
Still, rather than negate what I feel is the promise of healing in the NT, Lev 21, shows the superiority of the new covenant because we are share in the priesthood in the NT. Is the priesthood of all believers biblical? | GotQuestions.org That does not necessarily imply healing but it does solidly show the New Cov is better.

Hoping2 · 2025-04-29T21:51:24-0500

CoreyD said:
Destruction has no end.
This is why when death is hurled into the lake of fire, it is forever destroyed... as the other things hurled there... including Satan.

Satan has no end, and neither will his suffering have an end.

CoreyD said:
Yes. Eternity in the second death. That's where everything in opposition to God will be. Destroyed forever.
To us, that may be, like if something vanished. To God, destruction is before him, as something exiting. So it is everlasting.
This is why what goes into everlasting destruction is likened to being tormented, because everything that is destroyed eternally, is before God, forever.

If it has been destroyed, how can it also be before God forever ?

CoreyD said:
Until people accept that the lake of fire isn't a literal lake of fire, as the angel plainly explained,

Where in the bible is that ?

CoreyD said:
they will continue to see people alive forever... which isn't taught in the Bible.
It won't happen though. Circular reasoning will keep people in the cycle of eternal life in torments.

As a loving God has made the way to avoid all of that; (second death, lake of fire, eternal suffering, fire without light, hopelessness, and no sleep),
I have chosen the alternative to all of it.

Fantine · 2025-04-29T21:50:57-0500

Postvieww said:
What conspiracy theories is the government promoting?

Why, the idea that there is a deep state, of course. There is no such thing except in the propaganda of a demagogue whose statements have been fact-checked constantly and found to be false.

Jamdoc · 2025-04-29T21:47:10-0500

timothyu said:
In keeping in the spirit that man works opposite to the ways of God, it is man that teaches pets to do tricks and puts then through the ritual in order to get a treat/reward.

ugh... that language, it evokes one of my greatest fears. That that's what we ultimately are to God.. like pets. Neutered, and who only live to see the master and fawn over the master and do tricks for rewards
quite obviously, one of the enemy's most fiery of fiery darts to chuck at me, right along with Matthew 22:30 (because it represents God changing His mind about something, and evokes the same kind of imagery as ancient kings making eunuchs out of slaves to make them not have anything but their servitude to live for), is the idea that ultimately that's the relationship between God and man.. master.. and pet, and Master, and slave.
that's what drives this sort of depression, but a lot of Christian language feeds into it.
It's easy ammunition, and I'm a weak man.

Well meaning Christians feed into this without even knowing it, with statements like "it's not about you it's about Him!" fits right into the master.. and slave relationship, where you don't matter to the master only what service you can provide.

similarly to when I say "I feel like I can't relate to God" and someone says "God isn't human, God's abstract, God's unfathomable, spiritual this spiritual that" great now I can relate even less, that doesn't help one bit.

The Barbarian · 2025-04-29T21:45:38-0500

All Becomes New said:
Let me know when you grow up.

There's really nothing that can happen to one here, that can't get worse by one getting upset and verbally abusive.

stevevw · 2025-04-29T21:45:34-0500

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wing2000 · 2025-04-29T21:42:44-0500

Landon Caeli said:
Not a drop of African in me.

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eh, Czech. Is that why you're so stubborn? JK.

That report only goes back in time so far....mine is similar except primarily German/Swiss & the British Isles. My wife's is far more interesting....

Godsunworthyservant · 2025-04-29T21:42:42-0500

All Becomes New said:
Others have mentioned the person who buried Jesus was rich and was saved. You reject this as well based on a technicality.

I don't reject that he was rich or a disciple of Christ. It is clear in the Gospel accounts. I simply said that we don't know what Joseph of Arimathea did with his wealth besides giving his tomb for Christ's burial. I like to think he was a philanthropist as Christ taught but the Bible just doesn't say. I don't know where you got the idea that I reject anything in the gospel based on a technicality. I believe the gospel literally word for word. And I thought we had decided that you weren't going to "bring up points that have already been brought up", but this one has been asked and answered several times.

Hoping2 · 2025-04-29T21:41:01-0500

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Then your form of faith is merely perpetual doubt, never knowing.

Correct; and that keeps me from ever getting lazy or over-confident.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Always putting on a act so your maybe might be someday, maybe.

I don't need to put on any act, as it is only God and His Son Jesus who will know the truth about me.
Plenty of posers put on acts, only to impress other men.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
The evil present in exactly no one does the above. That's part of the deception we all carry.

I don't understand your...grammar.
Care to reword that ?

BelieveItOarKnot said:
The heart is deceiving, above all things. This fact doesn't change when we are "born again" or "believe." Jer. 17:9

I beg to differ.
Repentance itself makes a huge difference, in those who have turned from sin.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
We simply know or are supposed to know our state and are enabled to "tell the truth" about it, whereas prior we were entirely blinded by the god of this world. Mark 4:15, Acts 26:18, 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2, 1 John 3:8

I know where I stand right now, but I don't know where I will stand in ten or twenty years.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
And I don't believe there are any sinless persons, but a whole of of deceivers still attached to people who claim it to be so

If being obedient to God is so impossible, why are there any deceivers at all ?

PTW · 2025-04-29T21:40:33-0500

PTW · 2025-04-29T21:37:18-0500

frost

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maple tree

PTW · 2025-04-29T21:30:49-0500

Samuel The Soccer Player

Hoping2 · 2025-04-29T21:30:34-0500

All Becomes New said:
Christ means Messiah in Greek.

With Jesus having so many "nom de plumes", I am happy He will respond to all of them.

timothyu · 2025-04-29T21:29:27-0500

Jamdoc said:
I guess what I should be asking is does God desire all the religious rituals?

In keeping in the spirit that man works opposite to the ways of God, it is man that teaches pets to do tricks and puts then through the ritual in order to get a treat/reward.

d taylor · 2025-04-29T21:28:22-0500

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Threads like these just provide more evidence a very large part of people who identify as being of the Christian faith. Actually believe in some type of works salvation and i use the word salvation on purpose.

Because that is what people who believe in an obedience type of salvation use. They rarely use receiving God's free gift of eternal Life or everlasting live.

Because Eternal life is just that eternal and can not be lost. But use the word salvation and that word can be misused and made out to be losable.

Godsunworthyservant · 2025-04-29T21:24:56-0500

d taylor said:
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If you read his short article, he compares the account of Zacchaeus to the Parable of the Lost Sheep

Luke has already prepared the reader for this understanding of the Lord’s words to Zacchaeus. In chapter 15 we find another of the Lord’s famous parables–the Parable of the Lost Sheep. He speaks of a man with 100 sheep. They are all sheep and all, therefore, represent believers. Ninety-nine of the sheep remain with the shepherd and experience the blessings of that communion. One, however, wanders away and experiences the danger and loss of such communion. But the shepherd, who clearly represents Christ, goes to find and save that lost sheep.

So Zacchaeus was a lost believer and a believer is a born again child of God. So like i originally wrote.

Zacchaeus was already a born again believer, he was just a lost born again believer.

I read the article and it's actually geared toward Dr. Yates iteration of the Baptist belief of "Eternal Security", a position that I personally do not believe. It's one of those beliefs that I do not share with Dr. Yates. I didn't see where he actually used the phrase "lost born again believer" in those words, but I can see where you get the idea from his definition of lost and his explanation where he refers to Zacchaeus as both saved and lost, something akin to the Baptist description of a "back slidden" Christian. Personally, I believe one is either saved or lost. It's black and white. There's no in between and no ambiguity in Christ's teachings on the matter despite what some may intimate. I notice that Dr. Yates was honest about the fact that his opinion on the matter does not agree with most Bible commentaries. (and he's correct) That's one thing I admire about the man, he's pretty honest. As I noted before that doesn't mean I agree with everything he says. I was somewhat surprised at the actual theme of the article as I didn't recognize the inferences to Eternal Security in the portions that you quoted, otherwise I would have mentioned that I disagree.

rambot · 2025-04-29T21:20:17-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Yes.

Ew.

That's gross

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