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end the filibuster?
- American Politics
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I am not American, so there is something you need to explain to me.
Trump on Truthsocial
The Democrats will terminate the filibuster once they can . So it seems to be that the Democrats don't like the filibuster. Right.
Also Trump, on the same Truthsocial:
Do I understand this correctly that it is Republicans that are playing games and hinder the re-opening of the country by not giving Democrats what they want?
But also:
So Democrats want to terminate the filibuster, which would allow Republicans to pass legislation and sail to victory, yet the same Republicans block this?
I am confused.
Trump on Truthsocial
The Democrats will terminate the filibuster once they can . So it seems to be that the Democrats don't like the filibuster. Right.
Also Trump, on the same Truthsocial:
Do I understand this correctly that it is Republicans that are playing games and hinder the re-opening of the country by not giving Democrats what they want?
But also:
So Democrats want to terminate the filibuster, which would allow Republicans to pass legislation and sail to victory, yet the same Republicans block this?
I am confused.
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Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?
- By Hentenza
- Sabbath and The Law
- 294 Replies
No.
How does this help you? Nothing here about Israel being the church.Origin and history of church
church(n.)
Middle English chirche, from Old English cirice, circe "place of assemblage set aside for Christian worship; the body of Christian believers, Christians collectively; ecclesiastical authority or power," from Proto-Germanic *kirika (source also of Old Saxon kirika, Old Norse kirkja, Old Frisian zerke, Middle Dutch kerke, Dutch kerk, Old High German kirihha, German Kirche).
This is probably [see extensive note in OED] borrowed via an unrecorded Gothic word from Greek kyriakē (oikia), kyriakon doma "the Lord's (house)," from kyrios "ruler, lord" (from PIE root *keue- "to swell," also forming words for "strong, powerful").
Greek kyriakon (adj.) "of the Lord" had been used in reference to houses of Christian worship since c. 300, especially in the East, though it was less common in this sense than ekklesia or basilikē. An example of the direct Greek-to-Germanic transmission of many Christian words, via the Goths; probably it was used by West Germanic people in their pre-Christian period.
Church - Etymology, Origin & Meaning
Originating from Middle English and Old English cirice, meaning a place for Christian worship or believers, the verb form means to bring or lead to church.www.etymonline.com
Are you now into pagan gods?In Greek mythology, Circe (/ˈsərsiː/;[1] Ancient Greek: Κίρκη, romanized: Kírkē, pronounced [kírkɛː]) is an enchantress, sometimes considered a goddess or a nymph.[2] In most accounts, Circe is described as the daughter of the sun god Helios and the Oceanid Perse. Circe was renowned for her vast knowledge of potions and herbs. Through the use of these and a magic wand or staff, she would transform her enemies, or those who offended her, into animal
Circe - Wikipedia
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Yep and Israel rejected the messiah so the branches were cut off.
““Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is the One who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ””
Matthew 23:37-39 NASB2020
Matthew 23:37-38 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you | New American Standard Bible -
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you
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Until Israel declare Jesus their Lord and Savior they will remain estranged from Christ.
There is no renewed covenant. The covenant of blood is with the church not with Israel,
And you keep getting it wrong. Repeating an incorrect opinion does not make it come true.
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Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?
- By Hentenza
- Sabbath and The Law
- 294 Replies
You go ahead and believe that. I don’t.
“But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.”
Galatians 3:23-29 NASB2020
Galatians 3:23-29 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we | New American Standard Bible -
But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we
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We are no longer under the guardianship of the law. Nor are we Israel.
Of course they will but that is not what the scriptures teach. No one can work for salvation. No one can earn justification. All of the Torah has been fulfilled in Christ through His sacrifice on the cross.
“But when the fullness of the time came, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons and daughters. Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!” Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles, to which you want to be enslaved all over again? You meticulously observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.”
Galatians 4:4-11 NASB2020
Galatians 4:4-11 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons and daug | New American Standard Bible -
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons and daug
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The argument in whether the believer is under the law of permeated the early church and Paul addressed the argument masterfully. The law is contrary to the gospel of good news. The law negates Jesus sacrifice for the propitiation of the believer’s sin through faith in Him. Your argument was defeated 2000 years ago.
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Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?
- By Hentenza
- Sabbath and The Law
- 294 Replies
Do you not know what justification is? Do you not know what Christ work on the cross actually accomplished?(CLV) Jn 16:7
"But I am telling you the truth. It is |expedient for you that I may be coming away, for if I should not be coming away, the consoler will not be coming to you. Now if I should be gone, I will |send him to you.
(CLV) Jn 16:8
And, coming, that will be exposing the world concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judging:
What is sin?
(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.
What is righteousness?
Definition of righteous
1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS
acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin; morally right or justifiable; arising from an outraged sense of justice or morality… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
“But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, but it is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in God’s merciful restraint He let the sins previously committed go unpunished; for the demonstration, that is, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”
Romans 3:21-26 NASB2020
Romans 3:21-26 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, but it is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who b | New American Standard Bible - NA
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, but it is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who b
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Justification comes apart from the law. We cannot earn justification through rule keeping or our own good works. The law never justified anyone.
Justification is only made possible by Christ sacrifice in blood. And it is given free by the grace of God through faith in the Son.
Christ paid the price for our sins.
“and He Himself brought our sins in His body up on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live for righteousness; by His wounds you were healed. For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.”
1 Peter 2:24-25 NASB2020
1 Peter 2:24-25 and He Himself brought our sins in His body up on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live for righteousness; by His wounds you were healed. For you were continually straying like sheep, but no | New American Standard Bible - N
and He Himself brought our sins in His body up on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live for righteousness; by His wounds you were healed. For you were continually straying like sheep, but no
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We are declared to be righteous forensically (legally) because “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God”
“He made Him who knew no sin to be sin in our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
2 Corinthians 5:21 NASB2020
2 Corinthians 5:21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin in our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin in our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
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Even the prophet Isaiah knew what Jesus would accomplish in the cross many years later. What a wonderful prophesy.
“¶However, it was our sicknesses that He Himself bore, And our pains that He carried; Yet we ourselves assumed that He had been afflicted, Struck down by God, and humiliated. But He was pierced for our offenses, He was crushed for our wrongdoings; The punishment for our well-being was laid upon Him, And by His wounds we are healed. All of us, like sheep, have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the Lord has caused the wrongdoing of us all To fall on Him.”
Isaiah 53:4-6 NASB2020
Isaiah 53:4-6 ¶However, it was our sicknesses that He Himself bore, And our pains that He carried; Yet we ourselves assumed that He had been afflicted, Struck down by God, and humiliated. But He was pierced for our | New American Standard Bible - NAS
¶However, it was our sicknesses that He Himself bore, And our pains that He carried; Yet we ourselves assumed that He had been afflicted, Struck down by God, and humiliated. But He was pierced for our
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Justification does not excuse our sin, ignore our sin, or endorse our sin. Rather, our sin is fully punished, Christ having taken our penalty for us. He was our substitute.
“For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;”
1 Peter 3:18 NASB2020
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Downloa
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit
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Your name Webster secular definition of righteousness does not take into account Jesus sacrifice,
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Continuous stone tools use and manufacture in one location 2.75 million years ago.
- By jasperr
- Physical & Life Sciences
- 6 Replies
What about the finding of continuous use in the same location?It's been known that hominids were making tools millions of years ago.
List of earliest tools - Wikipedia
This isn't news. That's been known for a very long time.
Is that not significant ,or is that something that was already known or assumed to be the case even if not directly ascertained till now. ?
I think the article I linked may have suggested that until now the use and manufacture may have been thought to be sporadic in nature rather than "industrial" and "centralised" as seems likely here.
You don't see this as especially significant?
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