iluvatar5150 said:

An op-ed, written by what appears to be a grad student, that doesn't support your claim that "Islamism is the biggest and most deadly threat in the world today." Cool.

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Did you expect that every single piece which lists the threats of Islam would specifically say that? I don't know why you would expect that.

iluvatar5150 said:

Perhaps it has something to do with your wild statements and your failure to understand the sources you provide to attempt to substantiate them. Did you even read those pieces beyond the headlines? Nothing in there supported your claim that "Islamism is the biggest and most deadly threat in the world today".

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See this is why i dont bother posting links anymore. You and other progressives just ignore them. And your whole shtick of "gee it was 30 years" ago so it doesnt count is ridiculous. It was dangerous then and xan you say it's gotten better? No its worse.

I absolutely read the pieces. Every word. They justify the fact that it is the most dangerous in the world. Read every word of each one and combine them all together and they show exactly why.

iluvatar5150 said:

Nice little goalpost move there. First the complaint was that they were creating "separate communities." Now it's that they're creating the wrong kinds of separate communities.

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Nope, are you deliberately misrepresenting what I said or did you just forget?

iluvatar5150 said:

Tell me - in what jurisdiction does Sharia law supersede the regular civil and criminal laws?

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Places in the UK and also in Texas. Dallas to be exact. We all know that in many Islamic beliefs and communities women do not have the same rights as men. A man may get a divorce in a Sharia court and a woman has no legal option to representation and US courts will not intervene. Women won't take that to court because they know what will happen in their communities to them if they do. I heard an interview with a woman who was able to get out and share her story. She won't go back becauae she was afraid foe her safety. Many women are not that strong.

iluvatar5150 said:

I have a special dislike towards hypocrites.

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No you don't. If you did you wouldn't support so many hypocritical things from the left. Your special.dialike is not for hypocrites its for conservatives who recognize some truths in the world that you do not wish to confront. Such as the dangers of Islamism.

iluvatar5150 said:

You should tell that to all of the fundamentalists I grew up with, because they leaned pretty hard on the physical separation. In fact, I'd argue that American Evangelical Christianity has gone MUCH farther down the road of physical separation than the spiritual one. They've got their own schools and media ecosystems, and church programs most nights of the week so one doesn't even have to find other avenues for socialization. What they haven't done at all is excised themselves of the greed, power-seeking, corruption, consumerism, and idol-worship that is supposed to be a mark of wordly spirituality.

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Once again you misunderstand scripture. Evangelicals live in the world. We do not separate ourselves from it. Its telling to me that you decry the fact they wish to spend time with each other studying the word of God. Somehow that is a bad thing for you?

What I am finding is that too many churches are running toward friendship.with the world. Following and supporting worldly things. And quite frankly too many Evangelical churches are starting to do the same. You are correct in that there has been a movement among some churches toward those things you mentioned. Particularly in the mega church movement. I won't deny it.

Oompa Loompa said:

All innocent life should be protected, especially while in the womb. But I dont see how that is relevant. How pro life are those who allow people to bring poison into a country that kills thousands every year? If someone is in favor of killing one to save a thousand, I would call them pro life.

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No true Scotsman pro life it would seem.

Hentenza said:

What do you think being counted among wrong doers mean?

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It means what it says, but it does not say, "Because they will be counted among the lawless." or "wrongdoers" if you prefer.

BPPLEE said:

Nobody cares except some fanatics, but I don’t see it

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I dont think so.

The current US president still cares massively about it. Ok, then maybe yes some fanatics.

Except also loads of regular R voters, and R politicians even in congress still cant let it go. This isnt the fringe.

And stolen election is just one example of the sort of nuttiness that can captivate a huge portion of the American right wing. The doors their mind have been blown off the hinges.

To judge from this place, youre part of the minority who still has their head screwed on.

timothyu said:

Depends if they understand the concept of being selfish.

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My understanding is that people understand very little. By the grace of God, they get a standard that they are satisfied with, and have little concern for anything else.

jonojim1337 said:

I don’t think people are intelligent enough to understand Biblical matters.

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Depends if they understand the concept of being selfish.

SabbathBlessings said:

Sounds like a salvation warning to me.

2 Peter 3:15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

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Untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction. Are you untaught and unstable? Are most Christians untaught and unstable? Do you not consider the linguistic context when interpreting a verse?

SabbathBlessings said:

When we can’t reconcile what we are trying to make Paul say to what Jesus taught and when Jesus taught the opposite I would consider this warning.

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I know. You can’t reconcile it because what you believe is not scriptural and it creates unwanted tension between the biblical authors. Should not that give you pause and make you rethink your interpretation?

SabbathBlessings said:

Paul does not have more authority than Jesus Who is God.

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Actually when it comes to scripture Paul’s writings are God inspired so Jesus, as God, inspired Paul’s teachings. They match exactly what Jesus taught.

SabbathBlessings said:

Jesus never taught we didn‘t need to keep the Sabbath not once,

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He did when He called Himself Lord of the sabbath and made Himself the rest for all Christians. Don’t you ever wonder why He became Lord of one commandment but not Lord of the others? Don’t you ever wonder why Jesus chose the 4th commandment to become Lord over?

SabbathBlessings said:

He faithfully kept it Luke4:16 John15:10 just as His disciples did Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 as that is what a Christian means to follow Christ. 1John2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22

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He faithfully kept it because Jesus was the only human to ever keep the law perfectly which is why He fulfilled (complete) the law.

Belk said:

Tell us again how you are pro life.

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All innocent life should be protected, especially while in the womb. But I dont see how that is relevant. How pro life are those who allow people to bring poison into a country that kills thousands every year? If someone is in favor of killing one to save a thousand, I would call them pro life.

I don’t think people are intelligent enough to understand Biblical matters. They are not elect. So they will occupy themselves with worldly matters, and enjoy that, until their last breath, like a dog, that returns to it’s own vomit.

Oompa Loompa said:

Cartel drug smugglers are not uniformed combatants deserving of special rights and privileges. Especially after they rape the illegal immigrants the left loves so much before making them sex slaves to pay off their debts. Comparing these monsters to Japanese pilots is an insult to Imperial Japan. Pirates can be shot on sight, so why not drug smugglers?

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Tell us again how you are pro life.

durangodawood said:

And the stolen election notion takes yet another hit - even tho it was already lying at the bottom of the sea.

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Nobody cares except some fanatics, but I don’t see it

iluvatar5150 said:

Oh hey, look, another conservative Christian pooh-poohing the concept of doing the right thing just because it’s the right thing to do.

This must be the doctrine of 2nd Machiavellians 45:47.

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Cartel drug smugglers are not uniformed combatants deserving of special rights and privileges. Especially after they rape the illegal immigrants the left loves so much before making them sex slaves to pay off their debts. Comparing these monsters to Japanese pilots is an insult to Imperial Japan. Pirates can be shot on sight, so why not drug smugglers?

Just a related map for information on the subject:

I think it’s important to store your treasures in heaven, and not in video games. That being said, I do occasionally play a little video games, and it’s nothing I’m particularly proud of. He must increase and I must decrease, and whatever is in store for me, I guess I’ll find that out eventually.

iluvatar5150 said:

Why is it remarkable? We’d had 8 years of population growth in that time. More people == more votes.

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Where were they last year? I don’t deny that Biden won in 2020 just pointing out why some people may question it, but I’m questioning your logic. Were 8 year olds voting or did that many immigrants become eligible to vote?

Oompa Loompa said:

Poor poor narco terrorists drug smugglers. If only they had the same level of outrage for the kids they kill every year with their cargo.

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Oh hey, look, another conservative Christian pooh-poohing the concept of doing the right thing just because it’s the right thing to do.

This must be the doctrine of 2nd Machiavellians 45:47.

BPPLEE said:

Yes, it’s also remarkable that Harris lost to such an awful candidate

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And the stolen election notion takes yet another hit - even tho it was already lying at the bottom of the sea.

comana said:

Why? What harm does it cause.

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What good does it bring? Why wouldn't someone renounce their home country citizenship if they truly want to be a US citizen? What happens when war breaks out between the United States and the country you are also a citizen of? Should you be in the military with dual citizenship?

durangodawood said:

If you cant figure out the motivation, just look who was running against him.

Trump fans here all the time are pointing out how their man is the most hated ever etc etc.

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Yes, it’s also remarkable that Harris lost to such an awful candidate

9Rock9 said:

So, I want to explore political philosophy and how it relates to Christianity.

Ideally, our faith should inform our politics, but not the other way around. Yet, this unfortunately not the case in reality. I don't intend to turn this into a finger pointing game between the left and the right, I just want to explore options here.

Should the government enact policies that reflect Christian policies?

One could argue yes, since a Christian government could provide a moral foundation for an otherwise secular society and arguably improves everyone's lives. On the other hand, one can say that the government would just bastardize Christianity and use it as a weapon for social control.

What about libertarianism? The Bible says to help the poor and needy. Yet, does that mean we should petition the government to do it, or is charity a personal responsibility for us as Christians, and thus we should not outsource it to the state?

Should there be a government? There are verses that seem to advocate for submitting to earthly authorities. Then again, many of these earthly authorities have, and sometimes still do, put innocent people to death. It can also be argued that the government has a monopoly on force and violence.

What are your thoughts?

I'm personally undecided, but that's why I made this thread. I want to see what others think to help me find out where I stand.

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Christian politics is, that 12,000 from each tribe of Israel will rule together with Christ. You can take that as a literal or figurative number, but the point is they are from one bloodline. This is non-negotiable. If you want to find out what bloodline it is, I guess you have to do some more reading and praying.

SabbathBlessings said:

Considering Paul has a salvation warning 2Peter3:16

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This is not a salvation warning nor does it take away from the truth of Paul’s writings. Remember that all of Paul’s epistles are inspired scripture. Maybe you are advocating to remove them from scripture because they are inconvenient to you?

The rest of your c&p I have addressed multiple times already.

ARBITER01 said:

John's water immersion was an immersion of repentance, meaning it was symbolic of the Spiritual immersion/born from above experience we could receive from Jesus once he was seated to the right of The Father and granted The Holy Spirit.

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Where are you finding in scripture: "John's water immersion was an immersion of repentance, meaning it was symbolic of the Spiritual immersion/born"? John's baptism was a covenant action to show a commitment to accepting God's forgiveness and turning your life around.

ARBITER01 said:

Water in reference to immersion is always symbolic of The Holy Spirit. It's just another step in following Jesus and His example He gave us.

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How do you show: Immersion in water is always symbolic of the Holy Spirit, since the Jew immersed ceremonially in many ways?

FenderTL5 said:

It does not say:

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What do you think being counted among wrong doers mean?

Lost4words said:

His instruction to buy a sword was not a call to violence or rebellion, but a sober reminder that they were entering a dangerous and uncertain time

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It was not a call to violence and no where did I argued that. They were indeed entering an uncertain and dangerous time which parallels the reason why we carry a firearm for protection these days.