stevevw said:

Some of these Islamist leaders have been celebrating the massacre of Jewish people at Bondi beach and the crowd is cheering. They are calling this a victory, a celebration and a call to rise up against the Jews

This reminds me of Oct 7th all over again. A Jewish massacre and people celebrating.

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There haven't been any legitimate reports of Islamist leaders or crowds celebrating the terrorist attack at Bondi Beach.

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Carl Emerson said:

Clarifying then - is Rev 12:11 referring to all believers or only those martyred?

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Revelation 2 10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.


That was written to one of the pre 70 AD churches but I still think it applies to today that Christians will get a good reward the crown whatever it is if they keep the faith to death.

Rev 12 11 is a prophecy but written past tense of what I assume was only that first century AD generation of Christians, and no one today but it is still saying someone overcomes the devil by keeping the faith of Jesus even unto death like those first century people did.

My Truck can not take 4 more years of Trump, gas just went up another 15 cent from 3.19 to 3.34

eleos1954 said:

First comes temptation ... then the fall. There will be no temptation to sin when we get to heaven ... there is no temptation to sin in heaven.

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Jesus was “tempted” while here on earth, so why can we not be tempted in heaven and not sin like Christ avoided sinning?

eleos1954 said:

If satan had not tempted Adam & Eve ... would they have sinned? No

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What you are saying: “Satan caused Adam and Eve to sin”, which takes the “blame” for their sinning away from them, so how is that what you are saying? Satan did not tell Eve to eat, but Eve did what she was wanting to do and satan helped her to justify what she wanted to do with lies.

eleos1954 said:

If satan had not tempted the angels to sin would they have sinned? No

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You do not know that. Why not: “If not satan than someone else?"

eleos1954 said:

I don't want to sin ... but I sometimes yield to the temptation of satan and I do sin .... and I ask for forgiveness and repentance ... thank you Lord Jesus for your love and grace. AMEN!!

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Do you know how not to sin?

Have you ever been around a group of Christians who know how to keep from sinning?

eleos1954 said:

Looking forward to the day this no longer happens and won't even cross my mind. AMEN!!!

Our freewill in heaven and going forward will be for good only. Our will being in line with that of the creator.

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So is satan (the tempter) here on earth the only reason you sin?

essentialsaltes said:

Abbott on Monday sought to distance Turning Point from any particular political party, comparing it to organizations like the Fellowship of Christian Athletes currently present in many public schools.

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Yeah right - does this have plausible deniability?

Paleouss said:

Greetings again samaus. Thank you for you time and patience. May we both find the wisdom of God in our conversations.

You seem to make an unreasonable jump in logic, imo. You say...
(1) The epistle of Barnabas calls 1 enoch a prophet and scripture
(2) Therefore
(3) All Christians that knew of it
(4) believed it was written pre flood.

I hope you see my objection of the logic used.

First, clearly the epistle of Barnabas calls the book of Enoch scripture (Epistle of Barnabas (4:3)). However, the Epistle of Barnabas, which is different from the Gospel of Barnabas, was not written by Barnabas of the Bible. In other words, not only is it part of the apocrypha (not in the Bible), it is also part of the pseudepigraphic works, which are works claiming to be written by some famous name in history but are actually written by unknown authors. I understand you accept all these works, or at least it appears you do. But in my mind, it should give one great pause that the author wrote under some other famous name to hid his own name.

Second, the logic you used basically asserts...if anyone knew of this book they then therefore believed it. This
logic is clearly false. At best you have shown that there were some in the day of when the epistle of Barnabas was written that thought the book of Enoch was scripture. It doesn't show that all who knew about it believed what it said regarding it being holy scripture.

A side note, there are writings of the day that indicate to us that many Christian leaders considered some things Scripture (big S) and other things scripture (little s). In other words, this means that there was that Scripture that was inspired and scripture that was only "readings".

Augustine of Hippo, the supposed villain of the Book of Enoch and its removal (which is fake news), called apocryphal writings "scripture" but he in no way considered it Scripture (big S).


Also, here is a quote (around 170 AD) that shows that there were disputes between the Christian leaders regarding what was taken in as "scripture" or "Scripture" and if it was taken in....would it even be used by all because of the dispute.


For further info... here is a quote from the same discovery (170 AD) that shows that even as early as 170AD, Christian leaders were eliminating writings what were written by unknown authors and those that wrote under another name.




Peace to you brother

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I can't even remember the internal authorship of epistle of Barnabas, and I don't really care. Inspired scripture stopped 70 AD (which you likely reject), and Barnabas says the temple has been destroyed so he is writing after 70 AD therefore It is not inspired. Slap whatever label on it you need to help you feel better about your lack of understanding of the text. Yes you can look up online what early Christians 70-325 AD believed about what books should be in the canon, and should not be.

peter2 said:

Hello
What makes you speak so affirmatively, please ?

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Micah 5:2 And thou Bethlehem Ephrata, art a little one among the thousands of Juda, out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity.
5:3 Therefore will he give them up even till the time wherein she that travaileth shall bring forth: and the remnant of his brethren shall be converted to the children of Israel.

Desk trauma said:

Functional mental health system would help too but, socialism!!!! and all that.

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We need more funding in my state and more facilities that they can get help from.

SabbathBlessings said:

The interesting thing about Jerimiah and God giving Him a prophecy that His laws would be written in the hearts, it would have to be a law known to Jeremiah. In the Book of Jeremiah all of the Ten Commandments as repeated including the Sabbath.

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I do believe God's 2 Greatest Commandments, and all that hang on them, are written on the hearts (Minds) of the Faithful, including of course, the 10 Commandments and the Sabbath Days.

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samaus123456789 said:

Yeh. epistle of barnabas 100 ad calls 1 enoch a prophet and scripture so up until 100 ad all christians that knew of it believed it was written pre flood

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Greetings again samaus. Thank you for you time and patience. May we both find the wisdom of God in our conversations.

You seem to make an unreasonable jump in logic, imo. You say...
(1) The epistle of Barnabas calls 1 enoch a prophet and scripture
(2) Therefore
(3) All Christians that knew of it
(4) believed it was written pre flood.

I hope you see my objection of the logic used.

First, clearly the epistle of Barnabas calls the book of Enoch scripture (Epistle of Barnabas (4:3)). However, the Epistle of Barnabas, which is different from the Gospel of Barnabas, was not written by Barnabas of the Bible. In other words, not only is it part of the apocrypha (not in the Bible), it is also part of the pseudepigraphic works, which are works claiming to be written by some famous name in history but are actually written by unknown authors. I understand you accept all these works, or at least it appears you do. But in my mind, it should give one great pause that the author wrote under some other famous name to hid his own name.

Second, the logic you used basically asserts...if anyone knew of this book they then therefore believed it. This
logic is clearly false. At best you have shown that there were some in the day of when the epistle of Barnabas was written that thought the book of Enoch was scripture. It doesn't show that all who knew about it believed what it said regarding it being holy scripture.

A side note, there are writings of the day that indicate to us that many Christian leaders considered some things Scripture (big S) and other things scripture (little s). In other words, this means that there was that Scripture that was inspired and scripture that was only "readings".

Augustine of Hippo, the supposed villain of the Book of Enoch and its removal (which is fake news), called apocryphal writings "scripture" but he in no way considered it Scripture (big S).

Augustine of Hippo
“Let us omit, then, the fables of those scriptures which are called apocryphal, because their obscure origin was unknown to the fathers from whom the authority of the true Scriptures has been transmitted…”

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Also, here is a quote (around 170 AD) that shows that there were disputes between the Christian leaders regarding what was taken in as "scripture" or "Scripture" and if it was taken in....would it even be used by all because of the dispute.

"We receive only the apocalypses of John and Peter, (72) though some of us are not willing that the latter be read in church (73)."

Ludovico Antonio Muratori, ed., Antiquitates Italicae Medii Aevi, v. 3 (ex typographia Societatis palatinæ, Mediolani, 1740). Reprinted in Bologna, 1965. (#72-73)

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For further info... here is a quote from the same discovery (170 AD) that shows that even as early as 170AD, Christian leaders were eliminating writings what were written by unknown authors and those that wrote under another name.

"There is current also [an epistle] to (64) the Laodiceans, [and] another to the Alexandrians, [both] forged in Paul's (65) name to [further] the heresy of Marcion, and several others (66) which cannot be received into the catholic Church (67)"
Ludovico Antonio Muratori, ed., Antiquitates Italicae Medii Aevi, v. 3 (ex typographia Societatis palatinæ, Mediolani, 1740). Reprinted in Bologna, 1965. (#64-67)

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Peace to you brother

Rescued One said:

"There is no peace on Earth, " I said
For hate is strong and mocks the song
Of peace on Earth, good will to men…

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Then pealed the bells
More loud and deep,
“God is not dead
Nor does He sleep.”

The wrong shall fail,
The right prevail
With peace on earth,
Good will toward men.

Apple Sky said:

I know he could but he stopped the sun not the earth.

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You are still limiting God to what you can understand. He could have done it in a million different ways our little minds could never comprehend.

Jerry N. said:

God could still do it.

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I know he could but he stopped the sun not the earth.

peter2 said:

Do you think, please, it's just my paranoïa, or it could be more than a coincidence between these killings and the threads ?

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It's just coincidence. People are, unfortunately, murdered every day. Our posts here don't cause the murders.

I didn't see your earlier thread asking God to kill you, but I wouldn't expect God to grant a request like that.

On veiling, we've had lots of discussions about head coverings in the past here on CF, and I didn't think I had anything new to add this time around. Covering one's head to show submission to men makes me uncomfortable, but if it's done to show reverence for God, then that's a positive thing. Romans 14 probably applies here.

Vambram said:

As an American, that answer is one that you should already know.

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Perhaps you can help some of us Americans out? Which cultural identity should immigrants assimilate to? Is it East coast West coast, North, South, City, Rural, religious, non religious, conservative, liberal?

Apple Sky said:

It does if the earth is supposed to orbit the sun.

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God could still do it.

SabbathBlessings said:

Jesus saying He made the Sabbath for mankind Mar 2:27 that He is Lord of the Sabbath, Mark2:28 is not saying the 4th commandment is no longer for mankind, the opposite of what Jesus said.

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“Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord, even of the Sabbath.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭2‬:‭27‬-‭28‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Notice the “so” in verse 28.

Strong’s Definitions
ὥστε hṓste, hoce'-teh; from G5613 and G5037; so too, i.e. thus therefore (in various relations of consecution, as follow):—(insomuch) as, so that (then), (insomuch) that, therefore, to, wherefore.

The verses read that the sabbath was made for man therefore (so) Jesus is Lord of the sabbath. Jesus has full authority over the sabbath so He, as fully man and fully God, is our Christian rest.

Maria Billingsley said:

Of course Allah exists for the Muslim just as G_d exists for the Jews and it is the same God that the Christian's worship however, the big difference is access.

" No one can come to the Father except through me". Jesus Christ of Nazareth

No access, not heard.

What you need to be concerned with is your attempt to test your Father through other means in other words, you think there is power where there is none and more egregious was your attempt to cause harm to yourself for proof.

Sorry to be so candid, your post was very unsettling.

Be blessed.

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I vaguely remember having a discussion with Moslems many years ago. Supreme gods that created the universe are not uncommon. Allah, Vishnu, and Yahweh share similar attributes. This probably comes from the fact that we are all decedents of Noah. The question is at what point are the differences so great that they are not the same Being. My Moslem friends said we worshiped the same God, but some of the Muslim Brotherhood put a bomb in the place I worked. The bomb was found and nothing happened. I personally don’t think that Allah and Yahweh are the same, but I understand why some would disagree. After all, my understanding of Yahweh is very limited to my little brain. However, Jesus is the key. We have a better understanding of Him.

A mere human challenging God in any way indicates that the person making the challenge doesn’t understand the relationship. There is no reason God would feel the need to accept the challenge. If Allah is God, why would He want to take away the precious gift of life He gave you because you challenged Him?

Maybe seek medical help too. Praying for her…

Evil spirits hate the Word. I suggest you play Scripture promises ongoing, and Scripture-only songs ongoing. Speak or sing along with what you are listening to.

Make a list of pertinent Bible verses to memorize and repeat even sing, when you feel under attack.

Never ever talk to the voices. Prayer, even fasting, can be very helpful. But you have a sword given to you to use. The sword of the Word.