Dave... said:

Hey T

I found that metro parks can do in a pinch. I used to have about a twenty minute to a half and hour hike every day in the metro parks before work. I really enjoyed that and looked forward to it. Sometimes these hidden Gems in the cities can be just as rewarding with less expense and travel time. It's a good place to think. There, and I do also do some of my best thinking while shooting hoops alone. BTW, I always wondered if Bigfoot lived in the big city sewer systems of NY. It sounds funny, but they could have access from where the sewers open up outside the city. I've heard stories...

Dave

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I do laps around the two metro parks near me on rollerblades. Doesn't feel the same as the one on the mountains.

The cost is not what's stopping me but time. There are mountain forests within 40 miles of my place and I reach them by bicycle but the round trip takes 5 to 6 hours without stopping and I can't be away from home more than 2 hrs. I used to do this every weekend when my sister lived with us as she can watch over my mom.

I don't bring money on these long trips by bicycle. If anything went wrong that my tools can't fix, I can't just call Uber and I have no one I can call to pick me up. I don't even bring food or snacks, just one half liter bottle of homemade electrolyte drink for the 60 to 80 mile trip.

It was nice while it lasted but I get the same fulfillment with rollerblading now. I figure, it's just a different "forest". In fact rollerblading has become my primary mode of transport around the city. It used to be bicycle. I don't do it because its easy but because it's hard!

Factotum said:

Thats intriguing. Although I disagree.

If there is video of any type that show humans doing any type of physical surrendering gestures... then I could could agree with your premise.
But if no humans were trying to surrender to the enemy that sent the armaments they just saw and felt, then that can disqualify Article 32.

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The law does not require "physical surrendering gestures" for shipwrecked people. Being shipwrecked is sufficient. In fact, the circumstances presume that if the persons shipwrecked were able to continue fighting, they would. That's why they're taken prisoner rather than treated as long-lost buddies.

Nithavela said:

Ever heard of the Laconia incident?

If shipwrecked people aren't meant to be gunned down in cold blood, why are they such easy targets?

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I came across it earlier when looking for examples of survivors at sea being killed or saved. Depressing.

stevevw said:

Its now been shown that they were not just innocents floating in the water. But they were actively still in the fight. Getting back on the boat, gathering the drugs back onto the boat and radioing through to other narcos to come.

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Nobody viewing the videos seems to have seen that except Tom Cotton. Everyone else reports seeing a vastly different picture.

Yttrium said:

From what I've seen so far, I'd say the Navy has enough to proceed with an Article 32 hearing to decide whether the case should go to court-martial. Conduct a proper military investigation. Trump could just pardon him if he's convicted, so no worries.

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Thats intriguing. Although I disagree.

If there is video of any type that show humans doing any type of physical surrendering gestures... then I could could agree with your premise.
But if no humans were trying to surrender to the enemy that sent the armaments they just saw and felt, then that can disqualify Article 32.

Always in His Presence said:

We’re the drug runners in a life boat?

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It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: Killing men who are survivors at sea.

prodromos said:

No, you always claim we can only see so far, which is why you claim the sun 'appears' to rise and set.

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Yes I claimed that we only see so far but this was why we are on the earth.

prodromos said:

Now you want to claim we can see stars which are orders of magnitude less bright than the sun, at much greater distances.

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Yes & why wouldn't I ? BTW stars are closer than you think as is the sun & the moon.

Reluctant Theologian said:

Removing/deporting a legal immigrant is not denaturalisation - that's only removal of citizenship. Removing/deporting legal immigrants because of fraud or crime committed while being a legal resident is also standard procedure in other countries (a.o. Australia).

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I'm talking about denaturalization here. I'm not concerned about just revoking green cards in this thread.

Reluctant Theologian said:

In several countries where dual citizenship is allowed there are also laws that remove the acquired, second citizenship of the new host country in case of serious crimes like terrorism etc. (e..g in Europe in some countries). The person is then simply deported back to the country of this remaining citizenship.

Both categories make sense to me. Why allow residents if they prove to be a serious burden (or worse) to the guest country?

E.g. in Australia being seriously overweight or having some other serious medical condition can be valid reasons why visas are denied. Migrant quotas are limited so a country can be picky in who's allowed in.

When I'm organising a party it's wise not to invite those who thrash my place - or at least remove them when they do.

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Once they're citizens, they can trash the place and be arrested just like any other citizen.

Jimster55 said:

Hello there! Im new here myself so I am trying g to get used to being back on forums. I used to be part of a forum a long time ago, like 10-15 years ago. LOL its definitely been a while! But I came here to look for Christian fellowship and in hopes of making a new friend.

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Hello, friend.
I hope to locate that same type of fellowship you described.

Best of luck to you!

Jesus' gospel was of the Kingdom. It was about God overcoming all adversity. Certainly those in allegiance with Him may benefit... but its not all about us.

GoldenBoy89 said:

It's nice to know Americans can still agree on some things but just too bad this administration isn't really interested in what the American people think or feel about anything they're doing.

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I don't think that's true at all. Americans vary all the time regarding what administrations are doing. They never show interest in what everyone thinks or feels. Biden sure didn't. So don't try and say its just Trump.

And we can agree on some things despite our differences. And this is certainly one of them. No ground war on Venezuala. I honestly don't think there will be one.

Hans Blaster said:

It's basic stuff and all over the news.

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Now the legacy media is your source. lol.

Hans Blaster said:

No. I have done no such thing.

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Did not you just rationalise why drug cartels are thinking about the trade they are in. You were claiming to know whats in their minds and what motivates them.

Hans Blaster said:

A lawyer, in the operations room, with two guys on top of a bit of wreckage says "sure, it's legal to kill shipwrecked men". Either this is just your speculation, or you've confused the legal "sign off" on the general interdiction mission, or we've got someone else for the stockade.

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The head of the operation who was the person who gave the go ahead and a military officer was informed by the legal expert about whether it was ok to make the second strike.

Based on the lead officers determination they were not shipwrecked men but active in the fight to save the cargo and radio through for backup. This being an armchair intelligence officer without being in the game. Moralising from the sidelines.

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The only "foot soldiers" here are the drone operators and they seem headed for the stockade. "carrying out orders" didn't work for the Nazi's.

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Thats because the Nazis were insane lol. Completely different. They are trying to stop the bad guys. The military are not the bad guys. This is like the Isrealis being conflated with Hamas.

Hans Blaster said:

There are no terrorists here.

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Then show me the intelligence that shows this has nothing to do with terrorism and a national security issue.

Hans Blaster said:

On the plane? It was a drone.

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Sorry I mean with the lead officer advising on the monitor.

Hans Blaster said:

Oh it has? That's not what MoC who have seen the footage say, D & R.

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Well that is what the head officer who actually made the strike and was advised said. He should know.

Hans Blaster said:

Good grief. Go find a politician in your own country to obsess about.

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Lol why are others not allowed to be interested in what happens in the US. You should be happy that we care. Australia has had a long history of influence from the US. We are basically a lot alike. So what happens in the US does affect the rest of the world and especially western nations.

The US use to be the worlds police and the one who championed freedom and democracy. Instead of all this culture wars.

Hans Blaster said:

Have you considered a long walk on the short pier?

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Lol I will use that. Its hillarious.

prodromos said:

That is God's place to judge, not ours. However I would not consider himself evil, rather the powers that have been behind NATO expanding towards Russia despite their promises not to.

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What threat is NATO to Russia? I know Russia is now threatening Nuclear war with Europe. But if the base of NATO being Christian, with Christian causes, what's the problem? Sorry, I'm really ignorant to a lot of stuff. Edit- So, Putin's just mad he's being told what countries he can invade and what countries he can't? I know Russia needs to be nuked, before anywhere else. We must cut this thing off at the legs. That sounds horrendous 'Nuke Moscow'... but act before Putin, whatever that means.

Nithavela said:

I hope you enjoy the feeling that many people on the left have been experiencing for the last few months.

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I don't agree with everything the administration has done. It's interesting you would say something in light of the past 4 years when the people on the right experienced the exact same thing. I don't know why it would be a big deal to you. I don't recall.you being very sympathetic at that point.

Yttrium said:

I've been reading lately about suggestions to denaturalize legal immigrants. The Trump administration has already been working on revoking green cards and deporting legal immigrants in certain cases. I'd like to know what people around here thing about this, and specifically how far the government should be able to go.

Should the government be able to denaturalize legal immigrants if they've committed crimes in the US? Or for any reason at all? For that matter, should the government be able to revoke the citizenship of citizens born in the US and deport them? Although discussion of babies born in the US of illegal immigrants would deserve another thread, I wouldn't consider it to be off topic here.

Personally, I am currently against denaturalization unless fraud was committed during the application process (as per 8 U.S.C. Section 1451). As far as I'm concerned, once you're a citizen, you remain a citizen unless you voluntarily move out and revoke your citizenship.

Now, this isn't meant as a criticism of the Trump administration. They're exploring the legality of denaturalization, and that's fine. I would just hope that they run into a hard legal wall.

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Removing/deporting a legal immigrant is not denaturalisation - that's only removal of citizenship. Removing/deporting legal immigrants because of fraud or crime committed while being a legal resident is also standard procedure in other countries (a.o. Australia).

In several countries where dual citizenship is allowed there are also laws that remove the acquired, second citizenship of the new host country in case of serious crimes like terrorism etc. (e..g in Europe in some countries). The person is then simply deported back to the country of this remaining citizenship.

Both categories make sense to me. Why allow residents if they prove to be a serious burden (or worse) to the guest country?

E.g. in Australia being seriously overweight or having some other serious medical condition can be valid reasons why visas are denied. Migrant quotas are limited so a country can be picky in who's allowed in.

When I'm organising a party it's wise not to invite those who thrash my place - or at least remove them when they do.

Bradskii said:

In May of '42 the Japanese aircraft carrier Hiryu was eventually sunk at Midway. 39 sailors managed to escape on a lifeboat after most of the crew had been rescued by other Japanese ships. A US plane spotted their boat 14 days later.

These men were at war with the US. They were enemy combatants. They had been actively involved in killing very many US servicemen. You're the man in charge of what happens next. You've sunk their ship but these 39 have survived.

Do you gun them down and finish the job?

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Ever heard of the Laconia incident?

If shipwrecked people aren't meant to be gunned down in cold blood, why are they such easy targets?

From what I've seen so far, I'd say the Navy has enough to proceed with an Article 32 hearing to decide whether the case should go to court-martial. Conduct a proper military investigation. Trump could just pardon him if he's convicted, so no worries.

Factotum said:

Do you know if the Obama DoD is the force that made the 'double tap' bombing concept more acceptable for future Presidents to use?

I've been trying to locate Trump DoD critics who have proof that the survivors were surrendering when the 2nd boat strike occurred and killed them. Because if the video shows them refusing to surrender and un-injured; Was that because they had preserved their hatred/their terroirizing mindset toward the USA?

I guess some politicians are imagining that the 2 survivors were treading water while also making decrees to each other to never again try to help destroy USA residents with their narcotic.

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The obvious solution is of course to kill people so fast they have no chance to surrender or have a change of heart. Thus, they die as purely evil narco-terrorists and all is peachy.

BNR32FAN said:

I don’t expect them to go down but if they don’t go up I would say that’s an improvement.

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I agree that most would welcome prices neither increasing or decreasing. That would be an inflation rate of 0%.

Well, it makes sense. Once you run out of illegal immigrants to deport, you have to make some more. The quotas must be met so the ethnic cleansing machine can continue grinding, lest it turn on it's creators.

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rjs330 said:

The same thing a no would accomplish from you.

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I hope you enjoy the feeling that many people on the left have been experiencing for the last few months.

Nithavela said:

And that no is going to accomplish what?

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It's nice to know Americans can still agree on some things but just too bad this administration isn't really interested in what the American people think or feel about anything they're doing.

Always in His Presence said:

We’re the drug runners in a life boat?

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No, the two men we're talking about weren't even in a boat. They were floundering around in the water. Hanging on to a wrecked boat. For an hour, for heaven's sake. People watched them for an hour and then somone decided to kill them.

How you can try to excuse this is beyond belief.