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DaisyDay · 2025-11-29T08:35:14-0600

Postvieww said:
Do you mean the one who was fought relentlessly for four years by Trump hating liberals, or the one who said to protest peacefully, or the one who recommended national guard troops for Jan 6 security and was ignored by certain liberals who had another agenda. The implication of your question totally ignores the reality of the situation that day. Yes,Trump was the President at that time but he was not responsible for the capital police person who planted two bombs and went on to work for the CIA. Trump was not responsible for the actions of Comey, Wray and all of the other rogue deep state actors who disgraced their offices and oaths by trying to do the very thing Trump was accused of by so many “over turning an election “. Much has come out and probably more to come about what really was behind Jan 6 and the sham Jan 6 investigative committee. The long standing liberal narrative of that is day is completely devoid of truth.

This rant is untethered to reality.

Postvieww said:
She was no traitor! She was a victim.

No, she was a seditious traitor.

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-29T08:34:06-0600

thinking

Postvieww · 2025-11-29T08:33:21-0600

7thKeeper said:
You mean a traitor. May she rot where all traitors rot.

She was no traitor! She was a victim.

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-29T08:33:14-0600

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concretecamper · 2025-11-29T08:30:32-0600

The Liturgist said:
No one alive today is entitled to call themselves an Apostle.

The Liturgist said:
However, there are bishops in Apostolic succession

I think the word Apostolic in the phrase Apostolic Succession tells us that all Bishops are modern day Apostles.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-11-29T08:30:08-0600

“Now as Jesus was walking by the Sea of Galilee, He saw two brothers, Simon who was called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea; for they were fishermen. And He said to them, ‘Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men.’ Immediately they left their nets and followed Him. Going on from there He saw two other brothers, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in the boat with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and He called them. Immediately they left the boat and their father, and followed Him.” (Matthew 4:18-22 NASB1995)

Jesus Christ had just begun his earthly ministry, and so he was calling disciples to himself to work alongside him in ministry. And when he calls us to put our faith and trust in him to be Lord and Savior of our lives, that is the call he is making on each and every one of our lives, too. For a call to believe in Jesus is not in words only, but it is a call to leave our former lives of sin behind us to now follow our Lord wherever he leads us in walks of obedience to his commands, living holy lives, pleasing to God, in his power.

I really like it that when Jesus called these men to be his disciples that they immediately left the lives they had been living behind them to follow Jesus Christ where he led them. Evidently they did not hesitate. But we do not know all the details of how this all took place because we were not there with them. But the point is that when Jesus called them to follow him, they followed him immediately. And to follow our Lord is to obey him, to do what he says that we are to do, and to be who he calls us to be for his service.

So, this sets the example for us as to what it should look like in our lives when Jesus calls us to himself to believe in him. For faith in Jesus Christ is not of our own doing, not of the will of human flesh. So we do not get to determine what that faith looks like. God does. And he is the one who gives us the faith to believe in Jesus. And he is the one who persuades us as to his righteousness and holiness, and of our sinfulness, and of our need to die to sin and to walk in obedience to our Lord’s commands, all in His power!

[Hebrews 12:1-2; Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; Acts 26:18]

But these were not perfect men. They were followers of Christ, yes! But they had a lot to learn, and Jesus taught them much about what it meant to be his followers. And sometimes he had to correct them and to help them to grow in their faith. And I really don’t know at what point Judas had a change of heart and mind, and when he decided to turn against Jesus, but he was one of Jesus’ disciples for three years alongside all the others who followed the Lord wherever he led them in doing what he called them to do.

So, our walks of faith in the Lord Jesus, in following him wherever he leads us, may not be “smooth sailing” (easy) all the time. For we are mere clay in the hands of the Potter (God/Jesus Christ) being molded into the likeness of Christ, which is a lifelong process, provided our faith is genuine, and we are cooperating with God’s work of grace in our lives. But we should be followers of Christ who are going where he leads us, and who are doing all that he commands us to do, as his followers. None of us should betray our Lord.

Now, Jesus said to the fishermen, “Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men.” And when we accept Jesus’ call upon our lives to put our faith in him, this is the call he is placing upon our lives, too. For a call to believe in Jesus is a call to discipleship, and it is a call to follow our Lord in ministry in sharing the truth of the gospel of Christ with the people of the world. It is a call to become whoever he created us to be in doing what he created us to do, for his service. We are his workmanship, created by God for good works.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Living Sacrifices

Based off Romans 12:1-2; Romans 6:11-14 NIV
An Original Work / September 14, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Oh, holy ones, I counsel you,
In view of God’s mercy,
To give yourselves to God in love
As living offerings,
Pleasing to God, holy in love.
This is your true worship.
Do not conform to worldly lives.
Let God transform you today.
Then you’ll be able to
Test and approve of what
God’s will is – His pleasing
And perfect will. Oh, holy ones,
I counsel you – Offer yourselves unto God.

Oh, holy ones, I counsel you –
Do not be conceited.
Humble yourselves before your God.
Do not be self-righteous.
The strength you have to live in love
Comes from your Lord God, so
Live your new lives in pow’r of God.
Be changed in heart, mind and will.
Do this because of what
Christ did for you when
He died on the cross to save
The world from sin. Oh, holy ones,
I counsel you – Humble yourselves before God.

Oh, holy ones, I counsel you –
Count yourselves dead to sin,
But be alive to God in Christ.
Do not let sin reign in
Your earthly lives so you
Obey its evil desires.
Offer yourselves unto your God
As those who’ve been born again.
For sin shall no longer be
Your lord and master.
Give of yourselves to God
For righteousness. Oh, holy ones,
I counsel you – Be alive to God in Christ.

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An Original Work / November 29, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T08:28:28-0600

Strong in Him said:
You're changing the subject.
You posted verses about the bottomless pit to try to prove that the earth is not a globe.
The verses you posted do not say that the bottomless pit is on, or part of the earth. So those verses are irrelevant to your argument.

I'm not changing the subject & I'm not trying to prove anything I'm just repeating what the Bible says.

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Postvieww · 2025-11-29T08:24:54-0600

Pommer said:
Who was the incumbent President who presided when this young woman was killed?

Do you mean the one who was fought relentlessly for four years by Trump hating liberals, or the one who said to protest peacefully, or the one who recommended national guard troops for Jan 6 security and was ignored by certain liberals who had another agenda. The implication of your question totally ignores the reality of the situation that day. Yes,Trump was the President at that time but he was not responsible for the capital police person who planted two bombs and went on to work for the CIA. Trump was not responsible for the actions of Comey, Wray and all of the other rogue deep state actors who disgraced their offices and oaths by trying to do the very thing Trump was accused of by so many “over turning an election “. Much has come out and probably more to come about what really was behind Jan 6 and the sham Jan 6 investigative committee. The long standing liberal narrative of that is day is completely devoid of truth.

Ophiolite · 2025-11-29T08:24:35-0600

stevevw said:
I don't know what your talking about lol. I have recieved no help, and I am just trying to defend those whom I linked from what I think is unjustified attacks on their credibility.

I specifically offered, in this thread, to give you guidance on using AI to improve the concision and readability of your posts. I sent you a pm (personal message) on this forum to intitiate the process. That is what I am referring to. Click on your forum name at the top right of the screen, then on the envelope symbol on the dropdown and you should see that communication. In the meantime I'll overlook your discourteous response.

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-29T08:23:39-0600

landgraf

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-29T08:21:53-0600

Uzziah

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-29T08:21:10-0600

Lazarus

David Lamb · 2025-11-29T08:21:08-0600

d taylor said:
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Look the verse plainly states the star fell to earth. If you do not believe what the verse states that is your problem

I do believe what the verse says. It says that the star fell to earth. It says that the key to the bottomless pit was given to him. It doesn't even specify where the key was given to him, let alone where the bottomless pit is located.

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-29T08:20:30-0600

Paulwat said:
Seoul

Seoul is hardly a place in the Bible.

Samaria

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-29T08:19:32-0600

e(X)cept the LORD Build the House

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-29T08:18:53-0600

Peter

CoreyD · 2025-11-29T08:18:40-0600

Job 33:6 said:
I'll just add clarity for any YEC that is actually willing to engage the text.

Many YECs will look at passages such as:

Psalm 68:18
When you ascended on high,
you took many captives;
you received gifts from people,
even from[a] the rebellious—
that you,[b] Lord God, might dwell there.

And Ephesians 4:8
This is why it[a] says:
“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”[b]

And theyll say "wow, He Ascended on High", I guess that means that Ephesians 4 and Psalm 68 are describing the same event and the same concepts and meanings.

Or they'll look at
Hosea 11:1
1 “When Israel was a child, I loved him,
and out of Egypt I called my son.

and Mathew 2:15
15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”[a]

And they'll say "out of egypt I have called my son, I guess this is talking about the same thing".

And they'll stretch that logic between Hebrews or John and Genesis, and they'll say, well Hebrews sounds a lot like Genesis, therefore Hebrews must be re-telling Genesis. Hebrews describes ex nihilo creation, therefore Genesis must also be.

All the while they're failing to acknowledge that the new testament was written centuries later by different authors describing different concepts and events. So quoting Hebrews 11:3 and saying "well that sounds like ex nihilo creation to me" is not a valid argument for why Genesis should be interpreted that same way. That's out of context reading of the old testament. @throughfierytrial

The new testament authors, when they quote the old testament (and Hebrew's doesnt even quote Genesis, but I'm spelling out the point for you), when the new testament authors quote or reference the old testament, they never actually re-tell the original story, rather they tell a new story in light of the one who is to come (Jesus). And as an example above, Hosea 11:1 is about the Isrealites leaving Egypt while Mathew 2:15 is about Jesus leaving egypt. Psalms and Ephesians are similarly different.

All this to say, it's actually an unreasonable assumption to say that because Hebrews describes a concept, that Genesis must therefore be saying the same thing. Especially when Hebrews doesnt even quote Genesis.

I may be wrong here, but I think you are missing what @throughfierytrial is saying.
Also, the Bible is authored by a single Person - God,
God used different writers to create one unified message in one book. In the same way a company uses different programmers to create one movie, or game.
Each programmer gets a script, or a part to work on, but all these portions when combined is one project.
This is the way it is with the Bible.

It has one message; and one theme, that is related from Genesis to Revelation.
I think now that this has come up, I will create a thread to cover this.
I can let you know when I do, if it is of interest to you.

Regarding ex nihilo, we already established, by several posters in this thread, that is not relevant to the question of young earth vs old earth.
@throughfierytrial is using Hebrews in an effort to prove the earth is young.
Paul refers to the scriptures in the Psalms and Genesis, so we cannot ignore the fact that these books were used as references by both Jesus and his apostles.

The scriptures are from God - 2 Timothy 3:16.
They are not different works by different men, as if men wrote unrelated stories, and someone collected them into one book.
The Bible is a package of little book, that are all about God, and his purpose from beginning to end.
More on that, when I create the thread.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-29T08:17:48-0600

AV1611VET said:
Just like science dispels a myth, "religion" should dispel science.

In the case of this thread, when an experiment is done under the assumption of a "primitive earth," the Bible should alert us that said experiment is being done under false pretenses.

To parrot your own words back at you: You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

d taylor · 2025-11-29T08:16:12-0600

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Revelation which is describing events during the tribulation that happen on the earth. Why on the earth because there is no other place, God created the heaven and the earth.

The lie of science that there are other worlds, universes, etc.. is just that a lie.

Ophiolite · 2025-11-29T08:15:55-0600

Bob Crowley said:
I know what a hallucination is and I can categorically state the business of my father was NOT a hallucination.

I think we can both leave it at that.

Based on the foregoing I can categorically state, respectfully and understanding the importance to you of the event, that you do not know what a hallucination is.

DaisyDay · 2025-11-29T08:15:08-0600

WaPo: Hegseth order on first Caribbean boat strike, officials say: Kill them all

A missile screamed off the Trinidad coast, striking the vessel and igniting a blaze from bow to stern. For minutes, commanders watched the boat burning on a live drone feed. As the smoke cleared, they got a jolt: Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck.

The Special Operations commander overseeing the Sept. 2 attack — the opening salvo in the Trump administration’s war on suspected drug traffickers in the Western Hemisphere — ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseth’s instructions, two people familiar with the matter said. The two men were blown apart in the water.

Hegseth’s order, which has not been previously reported, adds another dimension to the campaign against suspected drug traffickers. Some current and former U.S. officials and law-of-war experts have said that the Pentagon’s lethal campaign — which has killed more than 80 people to date — is unlawful and may expose those most directly involved to future prosecution.

hedrick · 2025-11-29T08:13:23-0600

Bob Crowley said:
Years ago a young priest displayed the following cartoon in one of his in-house lectures. I think I remember my (atheist) father saying there was some truth in it, so it's been around for a while as he died himself in 1979.

The Protestant Jesus is a shiny faced individual who is all glory and halos. The Catholic Christ is a battered suffering individual.

Obviously both sides need to meet in the middle, or if you like "the search for the historical Christ" (whatever that means).

I have noticed at my wife's Baptist Church for example most of the songs are about the glorified Christ (high and lifted up if you like).

Whereas the Catholic liturgy emphasises His suffering, the "Lamb of God".

You're talking about praise choruses. Traditional Protestants have the same reaction. Luther contrasted a theology of glory with a theology of the cross. If you look at the hymns in mainline Protestant churches, you'll find plenty about the cross, and about our own death. Our churches typically use the liturgical calendar as a way to make sure we cover the whole of Jesus' life. Of course wallowing in suffering is just as unbalanced as nothing but praise choruses. The NT writers are confident that God will win in the end, and Christ will be all in all.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-29T08:08:41-0600

d taylor said:
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A large portion of this country has become nothing but a crybaby.

That was how I felt reading the complaints about this group of academics, too.

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