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Apple Sky · 2025-11-17T07:45:25-0600

Strong in Him said:
That means, writing clearly, paying attention to spelling and grammar. Ok spelling may not be your strong point, but most computers have spell check. If you are writing and you see a red, wiggly line under a word, it means your spelling is wrong.

I know this & sometimes I forget to check.

Strong in Him said:
As someone has said, evidence is not a YouTube video - anyone can put anything on YouTube.

Yes - Like Charles duke.

Strong in Him said:
If Flat Earth is a fact, you ought to be able to give explanations and evidence. E.g. "The earth is flat. These are the observations, studies and tests that the scientists made, and did, which caused them to arrive at that conclusion."

Yes & I will.

o_mlly · 2025-11-17T07:43:51-0600

Wow. ~150 posts ... so far.

"Much ado about nothing" may apply. But certainly, given the level of divisiveness and argumentation, "the devil is in the details" does apply.

Mark 10:18.

Tom D · 2025-11-17T07:42:42-0600

View of the Chapel of the Chateau de Versailles from the Courtyard

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-11-17T07:42:39-0600

rjs330 said:
Don't care what the left thinks. He said he was going to do mass deportations. That's what we voted for.

I'm not concerned with what liberals say either, but I do care about what Jesus says.

“feed the hungry, give water to thirsty, give shelter to stranger, clothed the naked, look after the sick, visit those who are in prison. (Matt 25) , take care the widow ( Acts 6), give justice to the weak and fatherless ( Psalm 82) take care immigrants ( Deut 10:19 / Psalm 146), whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ ( Matt 25:40)

I fully support President Trump’s efforts to enhance border security. However, the situations occurring within the country, such as in cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, and now in Charlotte , are contrary to biblical teachings. Pope Leo is entirely correct in asserting that anyone who claims to be pro-life but condones inhumane treatment of others cannot truly be considered pro-life.

I'm glad the Catholic bishop spoke out against ICE actions. I'm curious how Protestant Christians will respond—will they remain silent about family separations, deporting parents while leaving children behind, or ICE agents arresting people at schools churches? American Protestantism has often aligned with the wrong side of history or remained silent. Many U.S. Protestant evangelicals were largely quiet during the civil rights, women's suffrage, and abolitionist movements. Will they remain silent today?

BCP1928 · 2025-11-17T07:40:29-0600

stevevw said:
Yes they had some sort of natural geometry.

What's the difference between natural geometry and ordinary geometry?

stevevw said:
You don't want to go down that rabbit hole as it actually throws up all sorts of theories. You o see a common geometry related to the Golden Ratio and other natural geometry.

But thats not really the point. Anyone can measure something and you don;t need a ruler. Just a piece of string. But its putting that geometry or maths into the 3D object.

Yes, how to do that is called metrology and it is clear that ancient Egyptians understood it.

stevevw said:
Yes and Chris King mentions this in the video. Iron wood could be used for bearings with whale blubber as the lubricant. I am not saying some sort of ancient lathe was made. But still we are talking about a pretty sophisticated lathe in a time where there was not even a potters wheel.

If you listen to Chris King he goes into some detail on how a primitive lathe could hjave been made. In the end it starts getting complicated when you start to figure out how the lathe could cut the inside, uniform wall thickness and certain angles that require a fixed cutting point and tremendous pressure.

Or require high speeds due to a lack of pressure or have longer cutting arms which loose stability and with speed will move or break. Its a lot more complicated.

Yes I am sure the ancients could measure. We see the precision in many things. The base of the Great Pyramid of Giza is nearly perfectly level, with a deviation of about 2.1 cm (less than 1 inch). Theres lots of stuff like this which shows pretty good maths and geometry. I think the pyramid is also aligned to true north.

But its actually putting those numbers into 3D reality. Ensuring the base is level as its being built. All the complexity in achieving this. Especially for such an ancient time. The list of works even down to individual blocks with incoporated geometry and maths is long.

But sometimes its not the measure or maths but the witness mark itself. No matter what spin you put on it you cannot unsee what looks like a router cut or an arc cut from some preset planer cut into granite.

Thats got nothing to do with the measure and everything to do with what the tool was. That its cutting blade or shape cut the arc or routing cut. Or scooped out the granite in the shape of a shovel and left scoop marks.

Thats why I think we should be looking at the whole picture and all these signatures I have linked. Like you said we may be unsure of how they made the vases. But when we begin to collect other witness marks of machining you begin to see a bigger picture of methods that could cut super stright lines, shave off layers of granite, cut arcs in granite, rout hard stone, and even soften it.

Then you begin to think they had more ability than we think in working with hard stones and some primitive though pretty sophisticated lathe begins to look inadequate. That if they had devices that could slice off thin layers of granite then they could machine vases.

fli · 2025-11-17T07:38:54-0600

Dan1988 said:
Your version of the gospel, is incoherent and unbiblical, because you're rejecting what God said and you're making Him a liar. Gods Word reveals that those who are saved, were saved by grace, you reject this and replace it with (saved by works). That's a big problem, as it robs Gd of His glory.

Here's why your "saved by works" version of the gospel is false.

Her are the works that I believe we must do to remain saved.

1 John 3:21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. NKJV

As you see I am quoting the Apostle John. If I am being unbiblical, so is John.

Hebrews 12:3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons: "My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; 6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives." 7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. NKJV

I am now quoting whoever wrote the epistle to the Hebrews. Pleases read verse 8. It does not say this, but illegitimate children do not have an inheritance in Heaven. Why is it that they have no inheritance? Because those who are not disciplined do so because they love the world more than they love Jesus. They do not want to give up worldly pleasures for a pass into heaven.

Colossians 1:3 We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4 since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of your love for all the saints; 5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, 6 which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit, NKJV

As you can read when Jesus gives us hope, He also gives us faith and love for the Saints. That is all we need to get into heaven. That is why all those scriptures say Jesus did it all.

Colossians 1:21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight — 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister. NKJV

It is our job to continue in the faith by not moving away from our hope in Jesus. If we lose hope in Jesus, we no longer have saving faith.

Fervent · 2025-11-17T07:36:33-0600

I don't know why any Christian would take Bart Ehrman's word for anything. His methodology is grotesquely flawed and most of what he claims involves coming to the texts with preconceived notions about what is and isn't historical and then throwing out the material that disagrees with whatever he wants to claim.

Hentenza · 2025-11-17T07:34:54-0600

HIM said:
It is the spirit of the life in Christ Jesus. And No the spirit guides in righteous that we mortify the deeds of the body. The evil we would do, sin; is now condemned in the flesh through Christ Jesus. It has no power over us through faith. The faith the just live by that establishes the law that the spirit of the life of in Christ Jesus fulfills for those who walk in it. For the word through Christ, through the Spirit is in our hearts and mouths. That is the word of faith in which we preach.

Good night

Good morning. It actually is the Holy Spirit that now convicts us of our sins. He dwells in us and provides guidance.

“But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me; and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you no longer are going to see Me; and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.”
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seeking.IAM · 2025-11-17T07:23:53-0600

Paidiske said:
All because he couldn't figure out how to cope with not liking the colour of paint that parish council chose!

There are some problems improved communication is not going to solve. Things like this may be one of them.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-11-17T07:17:39-0600

Job 33:6 said:
Every major country that uses universal healthcare, France, Germany, Canada, Japan etc. All receive healthcare at a fraction of the cost that we do, and they all have better health outcomes and in most, if not all cases, longer average lifespans. So why do you believe that if the US had universal healthcare, that it would be more expensive than things are now?

Country - per capita healthcare cost, and whether or not they use universal healthcare:

United States~ $14,880 per person
No — the U.S. does not have universal health care coverage

Germany~ $8,000
Yes — universal, multi-payer system with statutory insurance.

Switzerland~ $8,000
Yes — mandatory private insurance for all residents.

Norway~ $9,300–10,000
Yes — tax-funded universal coverage.

France~ $6,900
Yes — universal health insurance plus complementary private insurance.

Canada~ $6,800–6,900
Yes — government-funded universal coverage for medically necessary services.

Australia~ $6,800 (2022)
Yes — Medicare system provides universal access.

United Kingdom~ $5,000–5,500 (2022) (OECD mid‑range)
Yes — National Health Service (NHS) provides universal care.

Japan~ $5,400–5,500 (2022)
Yes — universal coverage via mandatory statutory insurance.

Netherlands~ $7,300 (2022)
Yes — universal system, mostly via regulated private insurance.

And while it may be true that taxes would need to increase, the counter point would be that you wouldn't need 500-1000 dollar premiums hitting your bank account every month, and deductibles that bankrupt Americans. In contrast, European countries with universal healthcare generally don't have premiums or deductibles at all. Or even co-pays.

Collectively it's much cheaper to have taxes fund a streamlined and efficient universal option, over us paying directly into expensive and disjointed private health insurers.

What are the primary objectives of universal health care? Why some progressive advocate universal health care in USA?

fli · 2025-11-17T07:12:42-0600

Guojing said:
So salvation to you requires faith + loving others and avoid sinning?

We need to keep believing in Jesus. Both commandments we are to keep are given in 1Joun 3:21-24. Since everyone misquotes the second I will quote both commandments as they are found in the gospel of John to let everyone read how Jesus told them to John

John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. NKJV

We must continue to have faith in Jesus. If we do not abide, remain, in Jesus we will be gathered and burned. That would mean we will be in hades. It takes no work to keep believing. However, in Matthew 7:26-27 we are foolish if we do not heed Jesus' warning to obey His saying.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." NKJV

Above is the second commandment that Jesus gave us. Notice in verse 35 it is disciple loving disciple. This is not the OT law of loving our neighbor. To emphasize this commandment is not to love our neighbor. Jesus gave us all we needed to be saved. Let's see just who He gave us love for.

Colossians 1:3 We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4 since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of your love for all the saints; 5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, NKJV

The moment that we had hope in Jesus to save us He gave us the 3 greatest gifts, hope, faith, and love. If we use those gifts, we get into heaven.
I am not saying that we should not love our neighbor. As it states in 1John 3:21-24 we are to do things pleasing in His sight to be assured that He will answer our prayers and to walk in the Spirit. Jesus warned us in Matthew 7:26-27 we are foolish if we do not heed Jesus' warning to obey His saying. He also told the apostles to teach us in Matthew 28:20. By being wise and obeying we ensure we are in the Spirit and strengthening our faith.

Fervent · 2025-11-17T07:10:11-0600

Bradskii said:
It's because you avoid actually reading the posts explaining them to you. I'd keep repeating them but...I learned that lesson.

I've read the posts, you are infatuated with the illusion of ownership that "voting" gives you and seem to base that as the sole criteria. As I am pessimistic about democracy on multiple levels, I don't find the idea of voting particularly compelling as a reason to prefer one government to another. Beyond that, your sole complaint about theocracy appears to be that it involves religious texts.

And its not my fault you think that repeating points that have already been addressed is somehow going to make them compelling the second and third time around.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-17T07:07:30-0600

SarahsKnight said:
I don't know why you're bothering to respond to him after all of his rantings on this page, Julie. Dude sounds like he belongs to a cult.

Question for Julie and Sarah, what happens when the blind lead the blind?. Bingo! they both fall into a ditch/pit. But in this case we're talking about the bottomless pit

fhansen · 2025-11-17T07:06:44-0600

Dan Perez said:
And this is what ACTS 15:1 SAYS !!

# 1 AND //. KAI ,is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 CERTAIN MEN //. TIS , INDEFINITE. PRONOUN , in a NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 3 WHICH CAME DOWN //. KATERCHOMIAI. , in. the. AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , a PARTICIPLE. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE.

in. the PLURAL

# 4 FROM // APO. , is a PREPOSITION

# 5. JUDAEA //. IOUDAIA , in the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 6 TAUGHT //. DIDASKO. , is in the IMPERFECT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

# 7 THE //. HO , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 8 BRETHREN // ADELPHOS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 9 AND SAID //. was added , EXCEPT // ME , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 10. YE BE CIRCUMCISED // PENTEMNO. , in. the PESENT TENSE , in the PASSIVE VOICE. in. the SUBJUNCTIVE. , in. the PLURAL

# 11 AFTER THE // THE , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. , is in DATIVE. CASE. , in. the SINGULAR , is a NEUTER

# 12. MANNER. // ETHOS. in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR and. in. the NEUTER

# 13. OF MOSES // MOYSOS. in. the GENITIVE CASE. , in. the SINGULAR

# 14. NOT //. OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 15. YE CANNOT //. DYNAMA , in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the MIDDLE or PRESENT VOICE. in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

#. 16. BE SAVED // SOZO in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE.

And this verse PLAINLY says men , to be saved , you have to be CIRCUMCISED

# 17. And just what are woman going to. DO. ??

# 18 Are we saved by Rom 10:9 and 10 , if you confess with your mouth the LORD JESUS. and should believe your heart. that GOD.

raised Him from the dead you WILL BE SAVED

# 19 Are you saved by Water Baptism

# 20. Saved by BEING BORN AGAIN ?

# 21 Saved by WATER and the SPIRIT ??

What say you. ??

dan p

Anyone who sins fails John’s test.

Bradskii · 2025-11-17T07:06:19-0600

Fervent said:
Yeah, still not seeing a reason to give blanket preference other than inherent suspicion of religion.

It's because you avoid actually reading the posts explaining them to you. I'd keep repeating them but...I learned that lesson.

d taylor · 2025-11-17T06:58:57-0600

ChubbyCherub said:
Yes, 100%.

It is this scripture that worried me: 1 John 3:6-10, 'No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are,'

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Do Born Again People Sin? – 1 John 3:9 – Grace Evangelical Society

fhansen · 2025-11-17T06:56:46-0600

Dan1988 said:
Matthew 25:31-46: The parable of the sheep and the goats, which results in the goats being sent into "eternal punishment" and the sheep into "eternal life".

Revelation 20:12-15: Describes the final judgment where the dead are judged and those not found in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire.

Matthew 13:42 and 25:30: Speak of "weeping and gnashing of teeth".

Mark 9:43-48: Refers to "unquenchable fire" and the "worm that does not die".

Isaiah 66:24: Mentions the "worm" and the "fire" in a way that is used to describe the eternal nature of punishment.

Luke 16:23-24: Describes Lazarus and the rich man in Hades, with the rich man crying out in "torment" and begging for water.

Matthew 10:28: States that God can "destroy both soul and body in hell".

So, are you just avoiding the question here, or what? Does hell involve the absence of God’s presence, as maintained in 2 Thess, or not?

Dan1988 · 2025-11-17T06:54:02-0600

fli said:
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. NKJV

Above is our OT removal of sins. If we depend on the OT rules for salvation the blood of bulls and goats, is our purification, The only reason God accepted their blood is because those offering them believed God would send someone to save them from their sins. They looked forward to the coming of the Messiah.

Hebrews 5:7 who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, 10 called by God as High Priest "according to the order of Melchizedek," 11 of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. NKJV

Jesus became the author of eternal salvation to those who obey Him. The author, creator or writer, of eternal salvation.

Hebrews 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. NKJV

Jesus wrote His testament, the New Testament, with His blood when He was crucified. Be sure to note that it is a New Testament, the New Testament, that God promised in the OT. It went into effect when Jesus died.

Hebrews 8:13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. NKJV

The OT is obsolete. The true Israelis are now under the NT as well as anyone who believes in Jesus. An obsolete covenant will not provide salvation. In the NT we do not look forward from the OT.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. NKJV

Obsolete covenant laws cannot make anyone righteous who believe in Jesus. Anyone who claims righteousness from the law, does not believe in Jesus. By the NT rules they will not be saved by trusting the OT laws.

John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. NKJV

Jesus being the author of the New Testament wrote the commandments we are to obey. The first and greatest commandment is that we believe in Him and we must abide, remain in Him, to be fruitful. If we do not stay in Him, we will not be fruitful and will be cast out, by the Father, and burnt.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." NKJV

Jesus also gave us another new commandment. We are to love other disciples as Jesus loved us.

Now as children of God we are expected, to the best we can, to be like Jesus. If we do that we will continue to live physically. The Father wants us to further Jesus' kingdom, to do that we should resemble Jesus.

Revelation 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. NKJV

From the white throne some will go to live on the new earth and some go the lake of fire. Do they burn for an eternity? As Jesus stated in Matthew 25: 41 the lake of fire was made for the spiritual being who rebelled. What happens to flesh and blood in the lake of fire I do not know. I do know that flesh and blood cannot live there.

Isaiah 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the Lord, "So shall your descendants and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the Lord. 24 "And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." NKJV

Verse 22 states this is the new earth and new heavens after the white throne judgment. Verse 24 does say corpses, or dead bodies, of the men who have transgressed against God. So, Hades will torment them, and the lake of fire may kill them and leave their bodies intact.

I say some may burn eternally and some will be dead.

So, I say all one needs do to avoid going to Hades and the white throne judgment is to “keep believing in Jesus and to love Jesus' disciples as Jesus loved them.”

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors — not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." NKJV

We can be sure we are saved when we are sons of God. Those who put to death are sons of God. To do that we must accept discipline.

Hebrews 12:7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. NKJV

If we do not put to death the sins of the flesh, we have not accepted discipline.

God does not lie. The Israelis were His children prior to Jesus' coming. If you drop down a couple of verses to;

Romans 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. NKJV

They were cut off because of their unbelief. If we do not continue to believe in Him. We also will be cut off.

Yes, we can be 100% sure of our salvation if we are putting to death sins of the flesh.

John 10:4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." NKJV

We are His sheep. His sheep are the only ones who follow His voice to be disciplined. If we are without discipline, we are illegitimate and not sons. Illegitimate children have no inheritance in His kingdom."He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus". This verse emphasizes God's role as the initiator and sustainer of the work of salvation and transformation in a believer's life

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors — not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." NKJV

We can be sure we are saved when we are sons of God. Those who put to death are sons of God. To do that we must accept discipline.

Hebrews 12:7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. NKJV

If we do not put to death the sins of the flesh, we have not accepted discipline.

God does not lie. The Israelis were His children prior to Jesus' coming. If you drop down a couple of verses to;

Romans 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. NKJV

They were cut off because of their unbelief. If we do not continue to believe in Him. We also will be cut off.

Yes, we can be 100% sure of our salvation if we are putting to death sins of the flesh.

John 10:4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." NKJV

We are His sheep. His sheep are the only ones who follow His voice to be disciplined. If we are without discipline, we are illegitimate and not sons. Illegitimate children have no inheritance in His kingdom.

Your version of the gospel, is incoherent and unbiblical, because you're rejecting what God said and you're making Him a liar. Gods Word reveals that those who are saved, were saved by grace, you reject this and replace it with (saved by works). That's a big problem, as it robs Gd of His glory.

Here's why your "saved by works" version of the gospel is false.

Philippians 1:6 "He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus". This verse emphasizes God's role as the initiator and sustainer of the work of salvation and transformation in a believer's life.

2 Corinthians 3:18 "And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit". This verse highlights that the transformation is an ongoing process that comes from the Lord through the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 1:4"...he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him". This verse points to God's sovereign choice as the basis for a person's holiness and spiritual newness, which is the foundation for transformation.

Romans 8:29-30 "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son...". This passage connects God's foreknowledge with predestination, showing that the end goal of salvation is to be made like Christ.

See how all of these verses describe salvation as being initiated, sustained and finished by God. There are no works or requirements to fulfill, in order to be saved, because God works through His elect to transform them to conform to the image of his Son.

wing2000 · 2025-11-17T06:52:38-0600

.....smells like regime change: (....because that has worked so well for the U.S. over the past 3 decades...)

The U.S. is set to designate Cartel de los Soles — a group that the Trump administration has claimed is headed by Venezuela's president — as a foreign terrorist organization, Secretary of State Marco Rubio announced Sunday night, hours after the most advanced aircraft carrier in the nation crossed into the Caribbean Sea, the U.S. Navy said.

Cartel de los Soles' designation as a foreign terrorist organization is set to go into effect on Nov. 24, Rubio said in a statement. He alleged the cartel is headed by Maduro and "other high-ranking individuals of the illegitimate Maduro regime who have corrupted Venezuela's military, intelligence, legislature, and judiciary."

"Neither Maduro nor his cronies represent Venezuela's legitimate government," Rubio added. "Cartel de los Soles by and with other designated FTOs including Tren de Aragua and the Sinaloa Cartel are responsible for terrorist violence throughout our hemisphere as well as for trafficking drugs into the United States and Europe."

U.S. to designate Venezuela's Cartel de los Soles as a foreign terrorist organization as USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier arrives in Caribbean

The most advanced U.S. aircraft carrier has arrived in the Caribbean Sea in a display of American military power.

www.cbsnews.com

fhansen · 2025-11-17T06:51:00-0600

Dan1988 said:
The Bible Doctrine of election onto salvation, can't be twisted, to extract an opposite doctrine such as "the doctrine of predestination to hell" (as you are attempting to do). Nobody from the Reformed Church has ever made such a foolish claim.
John Calvin never made such a foolish claim, and neither did any of the Reformers, and neither does any Reformed Church teach such nonsense. This silly idea is born out of ignorance by those who are afraid of the truth of the gospel. They hold on to a false gospel, (which can't save anyone), while ignoring the truth of the gospel.

The fact that God chose to save some before He created the world and wrote their names in His book of life, doesn't mean that He created the rest for the purpose of tormenting then in hell fire for all eternity.
The unbelievers deserve nothing less than eternal torment in hell, even if you disagree with God and hate Him for it, that changes nothing. God still does exactly what He promised to do to them.

Matthew 25:46: "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Revelation 14:11: "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night..."

2 Thessalonians 1:9: "...they will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord..."

Jude 7: Describes Sodom and Gomorrah as undergoing "the punishment of eternal fire".

Revelation 20:10: Describes the devil being tormented "day and night forever and

Matthew 25:31-46: The parable of the sheep and the goats, which results in the goats being sent into "eternal punishment" and the sheep into "eternal life".

Revelation 20:12-15: Describes the final judgment where the dead are judged and those not found in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire.

There is no denying the reality of Eternal Conscious Torment of hell fire.

Take a look at Institutes, Book 3, chap 21 to see what Calvin taught. And, BTW, no one but God knows with perfect certainty whose names are written in the Book of Life and whose are not. People can deceive themselves all day long on these matters.

Jerry N. · 2025-11-17T06:50:49-0600

Phil G said:
Indeed you could

My mistake, I could only calculate the radius of the earth if I knew the angle of your dish to the horizon and your longitude. I still probably won’t do it, but I only realized the missing measurement after thinking about it for a few minutes.

Fervent · 2025-11-17T06:43:24-0600

Larniavc said:
Isn’t that every American president ever? It’s always been a flashy smile competition. It’s all surface visuals. When was the last short ugly American President?

Good question...Taft?

Larniavc said:
That’s why America is in its current state. It elects hi riz Presidents.

That and the fact that everyone believes congress sucks, but keep sending the same people back year after year because they don't think its their guys doing it.

It's like grocery stores where 5 companies are responsible for like 90% of the available food...the illusion of choice.

wing2000 · 2025-11-17T06:42:29-0600

In a sharp reversal, President Donald Trump said late Sunday that House Republicans should support a measure that would require the Justice Department to release the information it has related to its investigation into convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein — after key lawmakers said support was building ahead of a closely watched vote.

It's refreshing to see Republicans finally exercise their Constitutional power to counter the Executive Branch. It may be a first under the Trump era.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/11/16/house-epstein-discharge-petition-trump/

rjs330 · 2025-11-17T06:41:14-0600

Hentenza said:
Everyone in the US that is accused of a crime needs to go through the judicial system not just arbitrarily adjudicated guilty.

Thats not happening. Every illegal has a right to see an immigration court if they so desire. They are not arbitrarily adjudicated as guilty of violating immigration law.

Again, immigration law is handled differently than general criminal law. If prople dont want that to be the case then Congress has to pass different immigration laws. Becauae right now the Secretary of State can act and so can ICE and no arrest warrant is required.

Fervent · 2025-11-17T06:40:26-0600

Larniavc said:
In which western democracy has this happened?

Most are somewhere between stage 1 and stage 2. We already see blasphemy laws starting to be enforced in the UK covertly...won't be long until Islam has a privileged status there, and then they'll start pressing towards stage 3.

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