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Bradskii · 2025-11-10T22:58:26-0600

Fervent said:
That's nice, but I really don't see how voting rights for all is a universal good. So your personal preference is rather uninteresting to me, though of course that is no reason for it not to be important to you. But since morals aren't real according to you, there's no way to settle the question.

From here: The Bible as a Tool · Beyond Supply & Demand: Duke Economics Students Present 100 Years of American Women’s Suffrage · Duke University Library Exhibits

'Women viewed the right to vote as not only a political and social but a moral issue — as did their opponents. The items in this section showcase how pro- and anti-suffragists used God and interpretations of biblical teachings and writings to reinforce their arguments.'

Yeah. Kind of weird. Two groups of Christians using the bible to support diametrically opposed moral views. But yeah, off topic...

Nithavela · 2025-11-10T22:57:27-0600

You'd think he'd get the message and self-deport voluntarily.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-10T22:56:32-0600

Humans walk on two legs.

Bradskii · 2025-11-10T22:54:27-0600

Hans Blaster said:
This is what I meant when I had other values that went into my moral equations and determine my moral priorities. Civil rights and voting rights for all is one of those.

You mean that denying universal suffrage is not objectively wrong?

Fervent · 2025-11-10T22:53:34-0600

Hans Blaster said:
This is what I meant when I had other values that went into my moral equations and determine my moral priorities. Civil rights and voting rights for all is one of those.

That's nice, but I really don't see how voting rights for all is a universal good. So your personal preference is rather uninteresting to me, though of course that is no reason for it not to be important to you. But since morals aren't real according to you, there's no way to settle the question.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-10T22:53:02-0600

Walking home is far faster.

FARFS

9Rock9 · 2025-11-10T22:50:24-0600

impressedquote194 said:
Which one is biblical? explain why.

Idk think the Bible really promotes either view, but I also think an old earth isn't inconsistent with a high regard for scripture. The main purpose of the Bible is to point the reader to salvation, not to make scientific claims. God was more concerned with correcting the Ancient Israelites' theology and debunking paganism than he was about teaching them science.

That said, I don't think a week of six, 24 hour days necessarily contradict evolution nor an old earth if we understand Genesis 1 to be a functional creation and the dedication of a cosmic temple rather than a materialistic creation.

Nithavela · 2025-11-10T22:48:53-0600

Danthemailman said:
That sounded like something Kid Rock might say but it's good to investigate. What about this one with 50cent?

View attachment 373002

What about doing your own research if you're interested about the veracity of this image?

Bradskii · 2025-11-10T22:46:54-0600

probinson said:
Realotr.com isn't known for its political discourse. So perhaps there is actually an uptick in wealthy New Yorkers moving to the suburbs despite your incredulity.

They're estate agents. Of course I believe everything they say. That they're trying to raise interest in their area by saying that rich New Yorkers can't wait to move there is just fake news ('See, Hon? I told you we should check out that suburb and buy before the prices go up!').

Maybe we'll get some quotes in due course from NIADA, the journal for second hand car dealers.

Used Car Dealer Magazine

niada.com

The Liturgist · 2025-11-10T22:45:35-0600

timewerx said:
Don't waste your time trying to make AI think/reason with the flawed human nature. You're not supposed to clone the flawed human nature, you need to break from it.

That sentences presupposes AI is capable of decision-making with forensic consequences, and that eliminating certain obvious giveaways that one is speaking with an AI, which waste tokens and are distracting, in addition to being Turing test failing items, would somehow give an AI a human nature.

Since they lack qualia or executive planning capabilities or an inner monologue, we are far removed from such a possibility.

Konnie King · 2025-11-10T22:42:04-0600

Wait Till Your Father Comes Home

Konnie King · 2025-11-10T22:40:59-0600

Christine by Stephen King

Chesterton · 2025-11-10T22:31:57-0600

Warning - some incidental profanity.

I may have a dark sense of humor. I'm not into DEI, I believe in the merit system. If the fish thing had turned out to be a good musician, I'd say let it live. Since it didn't, I think it would've been pretty funny if the guy had ended the video by eating Tako.

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johansen · 2025-11-10T22:29:00-0600

rebornfree said:
That's a fair point. I'm just worried that teaching it as literature misses the point of the gospel and misses God's love.

well, its a secular college.

they are likely prohibited in various mechanisms from teaching anything other than what can be scientifically studied....

PloverWing · 2025-11-10T22:15:07-0600

Welcome to CF! :wave:

Bradskii · 2025-11-10T22:14:37-0600

BPPLEE said:
Well maybe it's his own fault but some criticize everything he does just because he's the one doing it

Maybe you want to reword that. You just said some people criticise everything he does for no reason. Maybe you can throw one or two examples out and we can investigate.

HARK! · 2025-11-10T22:11:45-0600

Hentenza said:
Great verses but spoken to Israel not the church. The church is not Israel.

The word "Church" appears nowhere in the Greek manuscripts.

I already showed you the etymology of that word.

Now let's seek the truth.

https://biblehub.com/greek/1577.htm

(CLV) Lv 4:13
If the whole congregation of Israel, they should err inadvertently and the matter is obscured from the eyes of the assembly, and they do something departing from any of Yahweh's instructions of what should not be done, and they realize their guilt

(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

One assembly, one Israel, and no double standard, forever.

Again, Yahshua came for none but Israel.

Again, he renewed covenant is with Israel.

Yah said it. I believe it; and dogma was nailed to the death stake.

Fervent · 2025-11-10T22:08:19-0600

Bradskii said:
From here: National Survey Finds Just 1 in 3 Americans Would Pass Citizenship Test - Institute for Citizens & Scholars

'Only one in three Americans (36 percent) can actually pass a multiple choice test consisting of items taken from the U.S. Citizenship Test...'

As only 2 in 3 people vote, that would reduce the voting block to just 24%. To be honest, it would be a lot lower because the actual test is not multiple choice.

And from here: Partisanship by race, ethnicity and education

'The Democratic Party has a 13-point advantage (55% vs. 42%) among those with a bachelor’s degree or more formal education.'

But those who didn't make the grade can take heart, because he 'loves the poorly educated'. Ahh, bless him....

I don't view politics through the petty partisan lens. It's not about heroes and villains for me, or my team vs their team. I find both loathesome most of the time, and my complaints about the cheap cost of the electorate apply to both sides and more has to do with how lttle the electorate settles for than anything.

Bradskii · 2025-11-10T22:05:04-0600

Fervent said:
Anyone who can't pass a basic civics class, and possibly the citizenship test.

From here: National Survey Finds Just 1 in 3 Americans Would Pass Citizenship Test - Institute for Citizens & Scholars

'Only one in three Americans (36 percent) can actually pass a multiple choice test consisting of items taken from the U.S. Citizenship Test...'

As only 2 in 3 people vote, that would reduce the voting block to just 24%. To be honest, it would be a lot lower because the actual test is not multiple choice.

And from here: Partisanship by race, ethnicity and education

'The Democratic Party has a 13-point advantage (55% vs. 42%) among those with a bachelor’s degree or more formal education.'

But those who didn't make the grade can take heart, because he 'loves the poorly educated'. Ahh, bless him....

rjs330 · 2025-11-10T22:02:00-0600

durangodawood said:
What we all need is for gerrymandering to be illegal across the board.

Agreed. But then certain groups would complain they are being discriminated against. I would seriously do a grid system with equal square miles.

rjs330 · 2025-11-10T21:59:04-0600

The Barbarian said:
Yep. And republicans are horrified and offended. "You're doing the same crooked things we're doing! NO FAIR! WHAAA!!"

Democrats were horrified and offended. "You're doing rhe same crooked things we're doing! NO FAIR! WHAA!! We are going to change the laws so we can do it more!"

Look, I don't really care myself. Its been part of the process for Democrats and Republicans forever. Now someone wants to be upset? Give me a break. Democrats-"You're doing what we've been doing so we are going to raise a stink!"
Republicans-"No You're doing what we are doing, so we are going to raise a stink!"

Neither side has a leg to stand on and certainly does not have the moral high ground. They are both rolling around in the mud equally.

camille70 · 2025-11-10T21:58:12-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Unlike other issues, neither the media nor political parties can control the economic narrative, especially regarding inflation, because every voter experiences it firsthand. Whether buying gas, shopping, or dealing with job loss, people directly feel the state of the economy, making it impossible for any party to shape this narrative.

As a proponent of free-market capitalist, I believe government intervention only harms the economy rather than improves it. The Trump administration's tariffs have damaged economic growth, and added inflation to stay up, while removing them could help, it may be too late for significant recovery before November 2026.

The GOP is confronting several challenges. Notably, youth voters who supported the GOP in 2024 appeared to shift back to the Democratic Party during the last week election, as did Hispanic voters. President Trump made significant gains among Hispanic voters since 2016; however, results from Virginia and New Jersey indicate that the GOP lost nearly 25% of its Hispanic support in those states. While it remains uncertain whether this trend will continue in other swing states such as Arizona, Nevada, or Georgia, it was evident in New Jersey and Virginia.

Hispanic voters’ decisions were influenced not only by economic concerns and inflation, but also by immigration policies. Exit polls suggest these policies are a deeply personal issue for many Hispanic Americans. Millions of Hispanic American citizens are affected by immigration policy through family members who are not U.S. citizens or permanent residents. Many Hispanic communities are closely connected, often including both documented and undocumented individuals, making their experiences intertwined and inseparable. President Trump’s immigration policies have had a substantial impact on these communities. While some may discuss law and order from a distance, for Hispanic Americans these policies are personal, and they have responded by voting for Democrats in at least three states.

Historically, during mid-term elections, the White House typically loses seats to the opposition party. This pattern has been consistent throughout decades of American politics. The question for 2026 is the extent of losses that the GOP may experience, as well as what developments might occur following that year. If the economy rebounds, President Trump could receive recognition for this change. It remains uncertain whether Hispanic voters or younger will come back to GOP as they did in 2024.

They aren't losing Hispanics because they are wanting to deport undocumented people. It's the enforcement mechanism where citizens are getting caught up for simply looking Mexican. Also the administration lied when they said they weren't against legal immigration. They are targeting permanent residents, green card holders and asylum seekers who are following the process. They disregard legal paperwork. Even if someone gets released after a few days or a week, they can experience abuse, unsanitary conditions, job loss, children abandoned and the fear of not knowing what happened to missing people. Damage to cars. Towing costs. It's a mess.

9Rock9 · 2025-11-10T21:56:32-0600

I hold to the ANE view and theistic evolution, so idk if I'd call myseld a creationist in the normal sense of the word.

I'm not opposed to some form of intelligent design being taught in schools, just not the Ken Ham version. In other words, teach that some people believe that the universe was created by a higher power, or that God guided the process of evolution, but don't delve into the specifics.

redraven · 2025-11-10T21:56:00-0600

Hello all,

I’m new to this forum and from Canada. My profile lists my age as 45, though I am actually 40. I joined out of curiosity—to engage in online debate, discussion, and learning, as well as to use this as a social outlet.

I want to share a bit about myself. I try to make the best of my situation, though I do face challenges—mainly isolation. I receive disability benefits due to an autism diagnosis I received in my early 30s. I share this as a factual part of my situation; it is not something to debate, and I hope it is understood as context rather than judgment. I do view my diagnosis as a subjective medical opinion and view myself as having higher functioning autism.

I am aware that some perspectives, including certain Christian views, may frown upon using social assistance. For context, I was a contributing member of the economy for nearly 20 years before needing support. I also have intellectual property—original music, a TV script—and other talents that simply aren’t utilized today because I receive disability benefits. This is not a choice or a fault of mine; it reflects my neurology and circumstances, which are beyond my control. I hope this is understood rather than judged.

Despite challenges, I have held many positions in my lifetime, including being a professional musician for approximately 10 years. One of my primary goals is to find more meaning, to improve my income, and to become healthier socially by forming meaningful connections.

Currently, I am involved in a discrimination dispute with an employer. I was rejected from an interview after sharing my autism diagnosis. While the case is moving toward conciliation and I am confident in my legal position, the dispute has resulted in a loss of income and thre social benefits associated with employment for over a year. I try to focus on what I can control and remain optimistic about the outcome. The fact it has dragged on for over a year and may be even a few more years before any outcome is realized is something which bothers me. While it is an unfair situation, I am sure I will achieve a favourable outcome. The only issue is it will take a long time. I won't get justice today, and maybe not even within a year.

I have many interests: human rights issues, physical fitness (I used to run competitively as an amateur with moderate success), creative arts (I have composed original music), and learning about the stock market. I am curious and enjoy learning about a wide range of topics.

I do not view myself as a Christian, though I see value in learning about different faiths. For me, meaning comes from lived experiences and meaningful social connections. Like many people with autism, I experience isolation and unemployment. The vast majority of people with autism are unemployed, unfortunately and this is supported by statistics.

In summary, I am grateful for what I have, aware of my challenges, and focused on thriving. I hope to meet new, well-intentioned people and form meaningful relationships.

Fervent · 2025-11-10T21:52:54-0600

Hans Blaster said:
Then this "real sense of he word wrong" you want doesn't exist. I should note that if you base your morals on the pronouncements of a god or God, it is still subjective as it is dependent on the mind of a being. (Unless you'd like to attribute those positions to a mindless or non-being version of god.)

A being, but an objective being. But it's not the pronouncements that I base my sense of morality on but the nature.

Hans Blaster said:
You are looking for a bedrock to attach morality to, but there is none, god or not. Even bedrock is just floating on the fluid mantle. The whole planet is full of mushy rock.

Nope, I'm just pointing out that relativism/subjectivism doesn't have the tools to establish that something that should readily be condemned by any system that can be called moral. I'm not looking for a bedrock, just pointing out that there is a massive inconsistency in humanist approaches.

Hans Blaster said:
I don't how you would formulate it philoslopicly, but the notion of "ought" seems to be an illusion. Plenty of people realize it and we are doing fine.

As any good nihlist should affirm.

Hans Blaster said:
I have no interest in moving you from belief. We don't need nihilists.

Sure, but facing the reality of nihilism is far more consistent than pretending that morality exists while denying it reality.

Hans Blaster said:
Church morality, god morality, whatever it is you think is the subjective source of morality.

The nature of God is not subjective.

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