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MarcusGregor · 2025-12-04T18:21:02-0600

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5631738-us-military-strikes-drug-boat/

Top Military Commander Showed Lawmakers Boat Strike Video—and It’s Bad

Representative Jim Himes said the video showed two survivors in “clear distress.”

newrepublic.com

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-12-04T18:20:09-0600

Landon Caeli said:
In our society, we celebrate the practice of providing a legal defense for the accused, whether they turn out guilty or innocent...

Here, you're telling me that it's foolish to do the same in a non-legal, social environment.

I couldn't disagree more. Because open, respectful conversation, even if your views are in the minority, is helpful in subtle ways, regardless of whether the help is passed on directly or indirectly. Especially if the indirect aspect results in diminishing groupthink tendencies which are often egotistical in nature.

You spoke of defending “unjustifiable” action.
You want to defend unjustifiable action?

eclipsenow · 2025-12-04T18:18:37-0600

Guojing said:
I said the 12 + James, and I gave you Acts 8:1.

If you want to believe otherwise, I am fine.

Sure Acts 8:1 shows their love for and focus on Jerusalem.
Generally speaking they saw that as their general focus - while the 'new' apostle Paul had the amazing ministry to the Gentiles.
But it was not as segregated as you claimed when you said:

"The 12 + James never left Jerusalem in their lifetime, because the nation of Israel never accepted Christ as their Messiah. Cornelius was a one off incident and he was saved under the same program that Israel had."

Cornelius WAS saved by the gospel - read the chapter! And the whole point of it was that he was not a Jew, but a Gentile - so this business of being "saved under the same program that Israel had" is not true. Peter's talk might have had some rhetorical flourish in the way he said "as you already know" or it might have actually been the case. But whatever the matter before Peter's arrival, by the end of the chapter Cornelius is a gospel believing spirit filled Gentile. And it took Peter and John - 2 of the 12, to actually leave Jerusalem.

Oh - then you want us to forget that Peter goes to Lydda, then Joppa, then in 10:23 Caesarea / Cornelius. Acts 9:32–43

And as I said, other senior church leaders from Jerusalem were also sent out. I grant Philip the evangelist is not one of the 12, but a senior leader. It shows while they where primarily caught up in the ministry in Jerusalem, there was some overlap with Gentile ministry in other cities as well.
(Acts 8:5 Samaria, 8:40 then Caesarea.)

durangodawood · 2025-12-04T18:16:57-0600

Candace Owens is where the whole right wing reality disconnection industry leads. Not shocked when they turn on each other for some advantage.

Hentenza · 2025-12-04T18:12:42-0600

Fervent said:
All pre-Origen uses of the word speak to it as an act of vivification, not a theory of inspiration

That determination would be quite subjective.

Fervent said:
Primacy, sure. But not the sole rule, prima scriptura is not the same thing as sola scriptura.

Ok but what other scripture is God breathed? Would you follow a doctrine that was not biblical?

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-04T18:11:25-0600

Servus said:
They're high speed drug smuggling boats. Carrying huge amounts of drugs. Speeding towards the US.

Although some in the Trump Administration have tried to assert this, this is not credible.

HARK! · 2025-12-04T18:10:12-0600

essentialsaltes said:
It is not 'second class citizens' to not be granted access to investigative files. This is not something the DOJ spills publicly on a regular basis.

I was talking about the oppression of the Right in general during the past administration; but I don't want to get off topic.

essentialsaltes said:
Which corruption? The people potentially associated with Epstein?

That depends on what you mean by association.

essentialsaltes said:
his administration's lax promulgation and enforcement of ethics for its officials, and we can see who the Swamp is.

I'm pleased with the progress that has been made with DOGE and the corruption behind the flood of illegals into our country; but let's try to stay on topic.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-12-04T18:07:02-0600

Servus said:
The southern tip of Florida isn't that far away from the northern shores of Venezuela.

1100 miles as the crow flies. 1300+ miles if you take an actually physically possible route Sure, that's not too far

stevevw · 2025-12-04T18:06:01-0600

Belk said:
I'm sorry, you think the drug trade has stopped? You think blowing up a few boats has stopped a $100 Billion dollar industry?

I actually said the boats have just about stopped. That particular method of smuggling the drugs has almost be completely stopped. Based on the fact that the warnings were given and then the action was taken and the warning that any further boats will also be targeted.

That changes the ball game. Now the Narcos have to access the risk. Before there was no risk and now there is. The risk of being blown out of the water, being killed and losing all their drugs. Its a pretty big factor that is now being forced onto the narcos which has changed the game.

Pommer · 2025-12-04T18:02:54-0600

Servus said:
They're high speed drug smuggling boats. Carrying huge amounts of drugs. Speeding towards the US. The southern tip of Florida isn't that far away from the northern shores of Venezuela.

Geography isn’t my long suit but this is well over 1000 miles.

eclipsenow · 2025-12-04T18:02:21-0600

Guojing said:
I already said "National Israel", how clearer you want?

No - you were talking about how the Apostles never left Jerusalem in previous posts.
That is not true. Some did. But otherwise...

Guojing said:
That national Israel rejected Christ (Romans 11:11), allowing salvation to go to gentiles.

Well - I pretty much agree. We could be on the same page then - at least regards to this!

I apologise. I'm Australian, you're in Singapore, and this is the internet.
I probably assumed something else was going on - as this forum can get real weird, real fast.
Soz.

Dan Perez · 2025-12-04T18:00:57-0600

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# 4. COVENANT //// DIATHEKE

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# 7 FIRST //////. PROTOS in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the SIGNULAR

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# 9 NOW /// DE is a CONJUNCATION

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in. the SINGULAR in. the NEUTER

# 11 AND //// KAI. is a CONJUNCATION

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in. the NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR in. the NEUTER

# 13. READY ///. ONGYS. is and adverb

#14. TO VANISH AWAY. ///. APHANISMOS. in v the v. GENITIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# A AND Paul who wrote HEBREWS shows that the OLD COVENANT was to VENISH AWAY. and Paul did not ONLY. write. about it BUT

saw it VANISH AWAY !!

#B Hebtews 9 :18. shows why. THE OLD COVENANT. had to pass AWAY as animal sacrifices could not and NEVER save UNTIL

Christ died on. he CROSS

# C. Born Again or BORN of WATER. OR Unless ONE. is BORN OF WATER. AND THE SPIRIT. he cannot enter the KINGDOM of GOD .

# D. AS we are under the Law , PERIOD. !1. Rom 6:14

# E. WE are under GRACE , PERIOD ROM 6:14

# F PAUL REIGINS who preaches fr by GRACE ARE YOU SAVED

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bbbbbbb · 2025-12-04T17:59:47-0600

MarkRohfrietsch said:
Either way → Bible (no, not either way)

1. We distribute Bibles (Bibles, yes)
2. The Great Controversy points to the Bible (as shown in my second post). (Denominational dogmatics, not the Bible)

As I recall, the famed H. L. Mencken (who, curiously, lived in Baltimore) wrote a short story where he parodied the enthusiasm of popular religious revivalists of his day with a trainload of joyous Catholics promoting their faith. I wonder if the folks in the SDA would view the Catechism of the Catholic Church as pointing to the Bible.

stevevw · 2025-12-04T17:58:24-0600

BCP1928 said:
Are you still into proving that? Why do you even want to?

Trying to prove this by what measure. Thats sort of the point. That you want this verified by material science and because it cannot be verified its all fake.

The reason why its important to acknowledge that there is alternative and what we would consider advanced knowledge is because epistemically it shows that there is more than one way to gain knowledge about the world and reality for that matter.

Once this is accepted then people will stop before they make absolute claims that there is only one way to understand reality. They will be open to the possibility that there may have been ancients who had knowledge beyond what methological naturalism can explain.

But if you reject this out of hand then this is already being biased and narrow minded which is more about belief than reality.

prodromos · 2025-12-04T17:56:16-0600

Apple Sky said:
Here is a video which shows you why/how the sun, moon & stars are upside down in the south & it's really simple.

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Still doesn't explain why everything rotates around a South Celestial pole in the Southern Hemisphere, how people looking due South from Cape Town in South Africa and people looking due South from Punta Arenas in Chile both see the Southern Cross while looking in directions almost 90° apart.
So while it attempts to give a reasonable explanation for the clockwise vs. anticlockwise motion of the sky in the two hemispheres, it completely fails to explain most other observations, thus it is a false explanation. Flat earth fails again.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-04T17:55:29-0600

HARK! said:
Yep, half the country were second class citizens during that Administration.

It is not 'second class citizens' to not be granted access to investigative files. This is not something the DOJ spills publicly on a regular basis.

HARK! said:
Good to see that some on the Left joined some on the Right to fight corruption.

Which corruption? The people potentially associated with Epstein?

Donald Trump has been the most reluctant corruption fighter on that issue when it became real and not a campaign promise. Combine that with his pardons for people convicted of public corruption, his administration's lax promulgation and enforcement of ethics for its officials, and we can see who the Swamp is.

timothyu · 2025-12-04T17:55:08-0600

Been trained to be paranoid over any love others as self as a concept, which they are led to believe is socialism. They must protect those who follow the concept of winner take all... at least according to the winners.

eclipsenow · 2025-12-04T17:54:23-0600

Guojing said:
A remnant did, not the entire nation, as Paul explained in Romans 9-11

You were talking about the leaders - not the repentance of the entire people group.
I don't know what you are saying otherwise. The subject seems to blur. Try to be clearer.

Guojing said:
So that he could defend Paul's gospel as legitimate later on in Acts 15

Nope! So that he could do what he did in THAT passage - which was preach the gospel to Cornelius and confirm that indeed the Gentiles were in the kingdom, as were the Jews.

God poured the Holy Spirit out on them. Peter was astonished at the reality of the unity of the new kingdom!
THAT is what Cornelius was about - not pivoting to some other ministry later on!

Guojing said:
I meant Acts 8:1

"On that day a great persecution broke out against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria."
OK - but that's highlighting that the Apostles really loved their ministry to Jerusalem.
THEN guess what?
Acts continues.
And we see the Apostles I have already listed going out into all the world.

Why are we having this conversation?
What does this all mean to you? What's the bottom line on your reading of the Apostles staying behind in Jerusalem - and IF it were true (it's not) that none of them EVER left Jerusalem (they did) - why is that important, given the clear teaching of the New Testament as to who God's people are?

Hentenza · 2025-12-04T17:53:47-0600

reBoot said:
EVERYONE "poses such a risk" to Satan, as we are created in God's image, fearfully and wonderfully made. And, EVERYONE is already "targeted." And, "their secret weapon" is NOT hidden (again, "Revelation of the Method").

I rebuke satan in the name of Jesus our Lord and Savior. There. I’m fine now.

timothyu · 2025-12-04T17:52:22-0600

Does putting the will of God ahead of the will of mankind still apply? There is your answer.

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