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Where is James Comey's mugshot?

Micheal Flynn, Roger Stone or Steve Bannon did not get mugshots after federal indictments
the Trump mugshot was not from a federal indictment.
As a separate issue don't see the point of someone like Trump getting a mugshot to reduce the chance of mistaken identity, simply not a possibility
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Fear, pain and hunger: The dire impact of shutting down USAID in Africa, leaving a vacuum for China and Russia

Which is so incorrect it's not even wrong. Empathy is simply the ability to understand what someone else is feeling. It doesn't 'require' anything. Especially accepting or rejecting lifestyles. I've never heard such abject nonsense in a long time. And that's saying something being a regular in this forum...
I agree. I am just responding to post 127. You may need to talk to fantine and ask her why she posted it.
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Trump’s Domestic Use of Military Set to Get Worse, Leaked DHS/DoD Memo Shows: LA "hasn't been perfect" but indicates what's coming "for years to come"

18 states proudly support Trump's right to send National Guard into their states even if they don't want them.

This will ease the path for the FEMA camps of 2029.

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Yeah, putting ketchup on their own faces will keep the leopards away, sure enough.

-- A2SG, appeasement always works, right?
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Fear, pain and hunger: The dire impact of shutting down USAID in Africa, leaving a vacuum for China and Russia

I really don't understand this tack. If there are drug addicts, we encourage them to get clean. If there are starving people in Africa, we don't encourage them to get fed. We feed them. But now we don't.
I am responding to post 127.
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Letita Jamews indicted for fraud

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Faith

Do you drive an automobile or ride in any vehicle with an internal combustion engine on the Sabbath?
I do not, though what I happen to be doing is independent of the issue of whether followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded. Even if I were actively trying to commit as much sin as I can, then that would just mean that I need to repent, not that I was wrong about the fact that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded.
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Praise Report: My Father’s Surgery Went Well! Please Pray for the Next One

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

Thank you so much for all your prayers for my father. His surgery yesterday went very successfully, and I truly thank God for His mercy and healing hand over my dad. Your prayers and words of encouragement have meant so much to me and my family during this time.

My father will be having another smaller surgery this coming Monday, 13 October, and I humbly ask for your continued prayers — that everything will go smoothly, that God will guide the doctors’ hands, and that my dad will recover quickly and comfortably.

I also want to give thanks for my lady boss at work, who has been so kind and supportive — she even bought gifts for me and my father during this season. May the Lord bless her abundantly for her generosity and compassion.

Thank you all once again for standing with me in prayer. May God bless each of you richly in His love and grace.

In Christ,
Jane Chai
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

I don't. But your instance that it must be some "modern" type lathe is baseless.
But why. The same logic that even pretty good symmetry and circularity is achieved by a pretty basic wheel or lathing uses the same logic for more precise symmetry and circularity.

If we can say that rough circularity is cased by a rudimentary rotating device. Then the same logic would follow that very good circularity was achieved by a much better wheel or lathe.

If you can use the logic that at some point roundness requires some sort of rotating device. Then the better the roundness the better the device.
That appears to be what you are trying to prove, yes.
Culture or craftsman. I think its irrelevant as to the signatures and tech. Some cultures like China evolved to make fine china and vases, Others didn't. So the craft as an industry is what produced great craftsman that they specialised.

It may be that as a culture they had evolved knowledge about the workings of nature that allowed them to achieve results beyond the traditional methods.
You are the only one suggesting that they used nothing but their unaided hands. I'm not even sure you know what that means.
I was trying to make destinctions and break down the difference between unaided hands say for example in coil pottery that only uses the hands to coil the vase up and then blend it into a vase or pot shape by hands.

The next level is simple tools like chisels and pounders, Its still unaided in that the chiseling and pounding or rubbing is not guided by some machine to achieve the precision. A measuring device adds another piece of tech above unaided hands thus another little aid that helps with precision.

Then the wheel and bore stick are another step in the technical aids. A free hand or a hand with a tool in it but still free moving can be used but the tech is what achieved the circularity.

Then we can go all the way up to sophisticated lathing that is stable and controlled to achieve the greatest precision that eventually reaches the highest levels such as NASA level precision which involved no humans at all.

So all I am do is breaking down the stages of how tech aids in achieving the signatures. Then as others have done reverse engineering the signatures in vases to work out what level of tech had to have been used. Obviously the more precise the more sophisticated the tech.
I have no idea what they used. Like you, I'm just speculating.
Yes but like most people have concluded some sort of lathing or wheel was involved. Its a matter of what level of sophistication that was. Or maybe it was something completely different like stone softening which allowed conventional tools to be used. But could still produce similar signatures.

But whatever it was the signatures speak for themselves and show something beyond the orthodox methods which have been tested and cannot reproduce the same signatures.
So what in that you are objecting to me using the same logic but extending it, You think the signatures are caused by some sort of lathing or wheel or bore stick that is wobbly.

I am saying the lathing was more sophisticated based on the same analysis of the signatures that point to lathing in the first place. Just a more elaborate take on your own conclusions that this lathing was more modern like lol.
Really, I have lost track of what you are trying to prove by showing that ancient Egyptians used stonecutting lathes.
You probably missed the first part where it was not about anything in particular but that there was advanced tech and knowledge and that the orthodox narrative is flawed.

As a natural consequence the thread went into specific examples and the vases became the main focus in supporting that advanced knowledge. But as I said we could go into many examples and as a total the overall evidence makes a strong case.

But if we only focus on one specific example its easy to get lost in those specifics and lose sight of the overall point. I said I don't mind going into specific as it may help support the advanced knowledge. But now I think its time to move on as it will only continue the same.
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Family Advice

I'm so sorry that you have lost a baby. I know that is a unique kind of pain that stays with you.

If she doesn't tag you in social media, then it might not have been directed to you. If it is Facebook, I believe you can unfollow her but still be friends. This way you won't see her post, but still have the connection on Facebook.

Without seeing the actual posts, I think what she said about conception can be construed as mean, but in all fairness, many Christians say this and other similar things to each other and don't mean it in a malicious way. That being said, if she didn't mention miscarriage (loss), I would assume she didn't mean me because her post was about conception. I would also take that as a general statement rather than something targeted if I wasn't tagged. You're not the only person she knows, not the only person she thinks about, and she might not have even been thinking about anyone in particular to begin with.

If she is meaning for some of the other posts to be for you, she could just be trying to get you to see her side of things in her own way, in a way that is easy and slightly detached for her so it might not be as painful or difficult.

People are entitled to their feelings regardless of the cause. You don't have to agree that what she does or wants is okay, but that doesn't mean she isn't feeling disrespected or rejected. She is obviously hurt or offended.

You can choose how you want to respond or to not respond at all. Just as she can.

Regardless of the decision you make, you need to be willing to let her behavior go and possibly let her go.

You can behave in a respectful manner and be kind without agreeing. If you don't want to use her preferred pronouns, then just avoid using pronouns for her altogether. That way you both win in a small way. You aren't saying anything thing you don't agree with, and she isn't being called anything she doesn't want to be called.

She might still reject you anyway. She might still share her thoughts and feelings without any regard for your feelings.

I think you need to decide where your line is. Has it been crossed yet?

You can choose to love her from a distance, pray for her, and wish her the best. If you choose to keep contact with her, you need to do it with love and kindness.
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