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HARK! · 2025-10-14T07:06:45-0500

SabbathBlessings said:
I am referring to the pattern of the santuary, are they all different. If so please provide Scripture.

I'm referring to differences in the torah for inside and outside of the land; and I have given more than enough proof to support my claim.

If you are claiming that the tabernacle and the temple are the same; and that the instruction for atonement was the same in Babylonian captivity, as it was in the land; then the onus for proof rests with you.

(CLV) Ps 119:89
For the eon, O Yahweh, Your word is stationed in the heavens.

Yah's word is eternal; but it is situational.

For example women are not required to be circumcised as a sign that they are in covenant as with the Shabbat sign.

(CLV) Gn 17:11
Namely you will be circumcised »in the flesh of your foreskin; and this will be the covenant sign between Me and yourselves.

SabbathBlessings said:
Commands to remember as a sign between Him and His people (Ezekiel 20:12, 20)

(CLV) Ex 31:13
Now you, speak to the sons of Israel saying-, Surely, My sabbaths shall you keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations to know that I am Yahweh, Who is hallowing you.

Bob Crowley · 2025-10-14T07:03:43-0500

Australia took ten of the 15 world hot spots on Monday.

Hottest place on Earth located in Australia as 'heat engine' cranks into gear

Parts of Pilbara and Kimberley surpassed 40 degrees Celsius yesterday but meteorologists say the temperatures will not trigger a heatwave warning yet.

www.abc.net.au

On Monday, the remote Pilbara station Mardie reached 43.5 degrees Celsius, making it the hottest spot on the planet for the day, according to online world temperatures site El Dorado Weather, which collates temperature data from thousands of stations around the world.

It was followed by Fitzroy Crossing in the Kimberley, and the Pilbara towns of Onslow, Marble Bar and Telfer.

Australian towns took out 10 of the top 15 spots.

But it is not regarded as a heat wave - not yet anyway.

To meet the heatwave criteria, the BOM looks at the temperatures of both the day and the night.

When combined, they have to fall in the top 5 per cent of all temperatures across an average year to be considered enough for a heatwave.

These unusual temperatures have to hang around for more than three consecutive days

d taylor · 2025-10-14T07:00:45-0500

Strong in Him said:
That's why the first thing Neil Armstrong did was to read from Genesis 1, I suppose?

Why didn't he put up a flag with his own image on it and said "I did it my way"?
Millions of people all over the world heard him reading from God's word.
Shame that you can't be happy about that but mock and doubt that it ever happened.

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That was just a stunt to satisfy at the time a country who still was religious. Just like during that time, how Hollywood included many religious programs during Christmas time and would refer to Christianity in a positive way or at least not in a negative way.

Like Jack Benny who is Jewish and include Christmas programs into his shows

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I guarantee if this deception would have been been done today for the very first time. There would have been absolutely no reading from The Bible (Genesis 1, etc..)

In the reading of Genesis back in the 1960's all they read was just a few verses and stopped before they came to Genesis 1: 14-

Bill Anders
We are now approaching lunar sunrise, and for all the people back on Earth, the crew of Apollo 8 has a message that we would like to send to you.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.[6]

Jim Lovell

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.[6]

Frank Borman

And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

And from the crew of Apollo 8, we close with good night, good luck, a Merry Christmas – and God bless all of you, all of you on the good Earth.[6]

This is all they read

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

But stopped before they came to this part of Genesis

Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Benaiah468 · 2025-10-14T06:57:04-0500

Benaiah468 said:
Those who oppose Israel in its efforts to eradicate Hamas are, protecting brutal terrorists.

While Hamas executes dissidents in Gaza and hangs alleged informants from lampposts, young activists in the US cheer on an organisation called National Students for Justice in Palestine (NSJP). The group posted a message on Instagram that leaves nothing to be desired in terms of clarity: ‘Death to the occupation. Death to Zionism. Death to all collaborators.’

This is not a political opinion, it is a call for murder. And it does not come from a basement in Rafah, but from students at elite American universities.

The NSJP is no longer a loose protest movement, but an ideological network. Dozens of local branches operate under its umbrella, at Harvard, Berkeley, Columbia, UCLA and dozens of other universities. Officially, they present themselves as ‘human rights activists,’ but in reality they bluntly adopt the language and logic of Hamas.

In their latest post, they declared the death of Palestinian internet star Saleh al-Jafarawi, known as ‘Mr. FAFO’, a ‘martyrdom operation.’ He was killed in fighting between Hamas and the Doghmoush militia, two rival armed groups vying for control and money sources in Gaza. But the NSJP turned it into a piece of propaganda: Jafarawi was ‘murdered because he fought against Zionism.’

Anyone who dies for the truth in Gaza is a hero to them. Anyone who is murdered there by Hamas is hushed up.

The fact that American students are posting this sentence shows how far the brutalisation has progressed. ‘Collaborators’, in Hamas' vocabulary, this is a death sentence. This is what the terrorist organisation calls anyone who talks to Israel, distributes aid or calls for reforms. In recent weeks, Hamas has had dozens of such people shot, many of them without trial. Videos of these executions are circulating on social media, without any outrage from the ranks of the NSJP.

On the contrary, the movement is now calling for the destruction of precisely such people worldwide. Its statement reads: ‘Collaborators have no place in a liberated future.’

This rhetoric is no different from the language of the so-called Islamic State.

What is happening at American universities is a moral failure in academic garb. Under the guise of anti-colonialism, violence is glorified, and under the slogan of liberation, calls for lynching are spread. Those who support Israel are publicly defamed; Jewish students are threatened, lecturers silenced.

The NSJP styles itself as the ‘voice of the oppressed,’ but its methods are those of the oppressors themselves. Those who call for the murder of those who think differently are abandoning all democratic principles. This movement is not demanding justice, it is demanding blood.

Students for Justice in Palestine is no longer a marginal phenomenon in the United States. They receive donations from anonymous foundations, their spokespersons appear on television programmes, and they influence political discourse. But behind the appealing slogans lies a dangerous ideology: it divides the world into victims and perpetrators, into ‘Zionists’ and ‘resistance fighters’.

According to this logic, every Jew, every Israeli, everyone who cooperates with Israel becomes an enemy. The fact that such thinking is taking root at universities – places of free thought and tolerance – is a sad reflection on the American education system.

When students at an elite US university call for people to be killed because of their political views, it is not just a red line that has been crossed, it has been erased. This is no longer a discussion, this is incitement.

The NSJP has exposed itself: as a movement that legitimises murder in the name of ‘justice’, as a mouthpiece for terror in academic garb.

Those who call for ‘death to all collaborators’ today are calling for lynch law, and contributing to the return of hatred as socially acceptable. It is time to call this ideology what it is: anti-Semitic, totalitarian and deeply misanthropic.

Benaiah468 · 2025-10-14T06:50:13-0500

Vanellus said:
How Israel reinterprets the term: ceasefire

To those who don't understand that this country must defend itself, I ask: What do you actually expect? Should the Israelis just let themselves be slaughtered?

Virtually every day since Hamas terrorists murdered 1200 Israelis and kidnapped 250 more, Owen Jones, known for his activism for left-wing ideology and advocating class struggle positions, has been fulminating against the evils of the Jewish state.

For him it is out of the question, that Israel had the right to seek to destroy the Islamist psychopaths who not only carried out the attacks on Oct 7, but had promised endless repeats until Israel was destroyed. Not for Jones the observation that, tragically, civilians are killed in every war, something made deliberately more likely in Gaza by the terrorists’ tactic of using their own people as human shields.

Since the beginning of the ceasefire, it has been trying to regain control of the Gaza Strip. A terrorist group with thousands of fighters, tunnels, and weapons cannot be defeated overnight.

Those who oppose Israel in its efforts to eradicate Hamas are, protecting brutal terrorists.

Hamas threatens escalation instead of seizing the opportunity to withdraw in an orderly manner, they are throwing petrol back onto the fire that has been laboriously extinguished, while the battered "Palestinians" are still on their way back to their destroyed villages and towns. It's incomprehensible.

David Lamb · 2025-10-14T06:49:52-0500

Apple Sky said:
All's I'm saying is that she'll have to take it up with NASA, I've been told the same many times on here.

If NASA were actually saying something like, "We are doing what we can to hide God," then there would be some point in me "taking it up with NASA," but they don't say that. They don't prevent Christian astronauts giving their testimony, for instance.

sjastro · 2025-10-14T06:35:58-0500

stevevw said:
Thank you, at least I'm good for something and I don't mind the pay.

Ok so lets flip this narrative. How precise do you think the vases are. Are they precise enough to be the product of some sort of lathe. Or are hand made without any lathing or wheel.

No we don't need to play those semantics anymore. I am asking you. How precise you think these vases are. In your expert opinion. Are the errors you are complaining about big enough to show that these vases were not the product of lathing.

I'm pretty sure your original complaint was no compliant software was used from memory. May be wrong but I recall such an objection when first introduced.

But being dumb as you say I accepted all the software versions and all the results as I thought they had followed proper procedures and they explained things. I still do as regardless of methods they all came to the same results. From memory the Artifact Research team also measured the OG vase and came to the same readings.

This section begins at around the 21 minute mark where Nick and Alex explain the cylindricity that your highlighting. In context they have established the primary datum A in the horizontal axis across the top of the vase lip which was flat to within 0.003 inches.

Then datam A is used to measure the perpendicularity of the vase mouths cyclinder to that flat plane. That cyclinder used more than 10,000 points of reference to construct that cyclinder. This showed only a deviation of 0.001 inches from the cyclinder being perfectly perpendicular.

The next measure was how cyclindrical the vase mouth is and it was as you said 0.013 inches. But as Nick said this is from a perfect cyclinder of over 10,000 reference points. As he said this is amazing considering its a 5,000 year old vase with wear and some damage around the opening.

Your also using this one measure to define the entire vase. It is the median of all the measures that puts it in the precise class like modern machining.

What exactly are you saying. That the less perfect measure of the vases cyclindricity at the opening somehow means no lathe was used. Are you saying that this specific less than perfect measure either caused a wobble which means there was a less sophisticated lathe or no lathe at all.

If there is a wobble then how do you explain the good circularity and concentricity. Would not the wobble also skew all these other measures.

And once again why would the researchers say in clear words that the vases precision is on par with modern lathing.
Are they lying. I keep asking you this and you refuse to answer.

This seems to be coming down to your word against theirs.

As usual you keep on asking questions that have been answered.
The only reliable data that is obtained is when vases are analysed to ISO 1101 compliant software.

On a CNC lathe the cylindricity <0.01mm and concentricity 0.003 - 0.02 mm.
Given the cylindricity and concentricity values are 0.326 mm and 0.313 mm respectively the vase was not produced on a CNC lathe or any modern type lathe.

A New Dawn · 2025-10-14T06:31:18-0500

SabbathBlessings said:
Please save your breath, my belief system is settled based on what God said. Not one thus the Lord in all of Scripture tells us not to keep the Sabbath commandment. I just can’t help but wonder how God feels how people use that He is Lord of the Sabbath as a way to profane Him Eze 22:26 instead of how the Lord of the Sabbath kept it Luke4:16 and told us to Lev23:3 Exo 20:8-11. Jesus never said He changed the Sabbath, Jesus never turned into the 4th commandment, but believe as you wish

Jesus IS the sabbath rest. There is reason to follow a law that has been fulfilled in the person of Jesus. Doing so negates Jesus sacrifice and Hebrews 6 speaks about that issue.

Smeadly · 2025-10-14T06:30:54-0500

public hermit said:
I agree and think our society is becoming more and more merciless. I wonder if conservatism has shifted from trying to maintain a certain status quo to primarily supporting whatever serves self-interest.

Was the United States founded on principles of self-governance and individual responsibility rather than as a theocracy where religious law directs government action?
If the government chooses to practice Christian benevolence because of human need, why wouldn’t it also enforce moral codes found in Old Testament law?
Could the answer to this lie in America’s deep commitment to religious liberty and the separation of church and state, as established by the First Amendment?
Doesn’t this framework reject both state-mandated charity and government-imposed morality based on any single religious tradition?
Does it not allow citizens the freedom to choose their own values and beliefs without government interference?
Could the refusal of government participation in acts of benevolence be less about mercilessness and more about a principled belief that the state should not entangle itself with religious duties or enforce religious concepts of charity?
Might such restraint be what protects true religious freedom and individual liberty for everyone, by preventing government favoritism or coercion in matters of faith?

Apple Sky · 2025-10-14T06:25:44-0500

Strong in Him said:
NASA don't know who you are and couldn' care less.

Then why tell me that I'd need to take it up with the astronauts over certain issues we have discussed ?

Ophiolite · 2025-10-14T06:24:54-0500

Another successful flight. Need I say more?

A New Dawn · 2025-10-14T06:17:31-0500

Colo Millz said:
Take it up with the Reformed Calvinist theologian Karl Barth - who of course did not preach universalism. We are, however, again, according to him, permitted to hope, genuinely hope, that in the end all of God's creation will be brought back to him.

We can hope all we want, but it can only be discussed in Controversial Christian Theology.

A New Dawn · 2025-10-14T06:12:50-0500

FredVB said:
Where were you seeing something said indicating I have some problem I speak of that I am or would be upset? I spoke of the word election in the Bible where it is used. Believers are elected to be conformed to the image of Christ. That is the right application for the word. God chose people of Israel, but that choice was not the salvation of all of them. That choice has the revelation from God come through prophets among them with the revelation from God preserved and passed on so fully, and made available to the world, with the prophesied Christ testified in it who we really need. God does choose among us for those God does save, God is not willing that any would perish but they should come to repentance as in 2 Peter 3:9 with their faith in response to God, it is God's grace that is the basis.

I am speaking of John 6 where Christ speaks of God choosing those who will be saved. Whether or not the word “elect” is used, Christ is clear that God chooses who will be saved and that He, Christ, will only save those whom God has chosen. And that is the definition of the word elect.

Strong's Greek: 1588. ἐκλεκτός (eklektos) -- Chosen, elect

Strong in Him · 2025-10-14T06:06:33-0500

Apple Sky said:
@Strong in Him said to me and d taylor that we were wrong, well, don't moan to us tell NASA.

NASA don't know who you are and couldn' care less.

Why would I combine to NASA that there are dome people who don't believe in the moon landings?
So what?
It's like saying, " you don't believe I'm British? Tell the government. "

Paidiske · 2025-10-14T06:01:07-0500

That's one way of viewing things, but not the only way.

Strong in Him · 2025-10-14T06:00:55-0500

keras said:
This is pathetic.
Methinks you moan and whinge too much.

What, it' pathetic that someone "commanded to preach God's message' writes stuff that isn't even Scriptural?
Agreed.

Methinks you can't cope when people challenge you.

Yusuphhai · 2025-10-14T05:57:53-0500

<<台北今夜冷清清>>（閩南語）
<<Taipei Is Cold And Quiet Tonight>>(Minnan dialect)

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Strong in Him · 2025-10-14T05:57:24-0500

Apple Sky said:
Tell NASA not me.

It's got nothing to do with NASA.

They would agree with me any - They know they sent people to the moon.

Apple Sky · 2025-10-14T05:56:22-0500

David Lamb said:
But the discussion is with you. If Strong in Him says that you and d taylor are wrong, NASA is not going to be interested.

All's I'm saying is that she'll have to take it up with NASA, I've been told the same many times on here.

A New Dawn · 2025-10-14T05:54:58-0500

Aaron112 said:
Some have tried to show that blindness is a result of man's choice; but failed.
The whole of Scripture, and YHVH'S Plan for Salvation,
repeatedly and throughout all history shows that men are blind by default, as you put it.
What is the part in the religion that tries to show otherwise ? Why try ? It is part of a religious system that for some reason 'needs' men to only be blind by choice/disobedience, but that contradicts too much Scripture. All Scripture is true - Scripture does not contradict itself; or rather, God's Plan and God's Word is Perfect Forever , and His Plan as well, and there is no contradiction in nor from God,
so if anything or anyone contradicts God, it or them is not truthful nor from God.
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10 We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noon day as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.

Acts 17:27
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... [grope for; reach out to; feel their way towards] him and find him, though he ... “He did all this so that people might seek God in the hope that by groping ...

Deuteronomy 28:29
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so that at noon you will grope as a blind person gropes in the dark. ... And you shall be groping at noon just as the blind person gropes in the dark ...

Isaiah 59:10
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We grope like the blind along a wall, groping like those who have no eyes; we stumble at noon as in the twilight, among the vigorous as though we were dead.

Both are true. Adam’s rebellion against God is what led to the fall, which in turn resulted in the default of blindness to all men. We all live in rebellion and blindness. We don’t become blind, though, we are born blind.

fhansen · 2025-10-14T05:50:53-0500

Guojing said:
Did you even read Romans 9:4 and Hebrews 8:8 before you concluded that the New Covenant is for all?

If you can still reach that conclusion, that means you disagree with what the 2 verses are literally saying.

Or that I understand what’s being said in light of such verses as Eph 3:6 and Gal 3:8, and Rom 9:6-9 for that matter. What Israel received was obviously transferred to all, as the promises were originally intended for all, gentiles being joint heirs.

Tuur · 2025-10-14T05:41:40-0500

Fantine said:
Conservatives don't realize that gasoline prices would be a lot higher without the competition of hybrids and electric vehicles, and electricity generated by oil would be higher without solar.

Oh my word. This isn't a Conservative or Liberal thing; this is an engineering thing. If you want to say that Liberals are the sons and daughters of Mary and Conservatives the sons and daughters of Martha, as in the Kipling poem The Sons of Martha, that's up to you. This is about energy density and the cost per energy unit, and yes, you need to put batteries into that category as well. This is about energy output. This is about reality, not wishful thinking, and the reality is that without some sort of energy storage to put wind and solar into, it's not going to be a viable energy source. Period. Without sufficient energy storage, you'll always have to have generation you can quickly spin up to provide electricity when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine and it has to match the generation capacity of wind and solar. It's either that or sit in the dark.

Your electrics and hybrids have about as much impact on petroleum prices as spitting into the ocean does to sea levels and for the same reason. Most also charge at night, when the sun doesn't shine, so they aren't being charged by solar. Where you don't have much wind, they aren't charged by that, either. And they're not as many around as you apparently assume. Nor are EV sales going like gangbusters, especially as people discover the drawbacks of range and charge times. I'm quite sure that some wish EVs had a significant impact, but wishing doesn't make it so.

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