Has anyone in the thread discussed the Septuagint canon (east) versus Hebrew canon (west) yet?

The Hebrew canon was not as long as the Septuagint canon, no?

Kathleen30 said:

Well look on the bright side Strong in Him they used to burn people for reading the Bible once ya know : )

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Why is that a bright side?
The comment was that globe earth/moon landing believers don't know how to read the Bible.

ThatRobGuy said:

The part I bolded would be a bit of a stretch.

I can't be the only one who remembers all the bickering and protesting about "The Wall", family separation at the border, "kids in cages" photo ops, and his executive order that progressives branded as the "Muslim Ban"

And some of those protests were pretty noteworthy in size.

30,000 New Yorkers March to End Refugee & Muslim Ban - NYC, Long Island, New York State | New York Immigration Coalition - Revision

At least 30,000 New Yorkers - including immigrants, refugees, Muslims and allies - gathered in Battery Park City across from the Statue of Liberty to demand that Trump rescind his recent executive orders and end all hateful policies. You can see photos here. They then marched to Foley Square...

www.nyic.org

Tens of thousands rallied for Families Belong Together

SAN FRANCISCO – An estimated 20,000 demonstrators gathered at City Hall in San Francisco June 30 for a massive Families Belong Together march and rally, demanding an end to the Trump administration’s harsh policies of family separation and detention and its failure to reunite thousands of famili...

www.peoplesworld.org

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/07/03/who-came-out-in-the-brutal-heat-to-the-families-belong-together-march-heres-our-data/

WaPo estimates that 400,000 people participated in those various protests about his first-term immigration policies.

What threshold are we using to quantify "significant"?

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Fair; I misspoke - I intended to reiterate my previous post, where I said that there were no significant protests against ICE. Because we've been talking about deportations. Some of Trump's immigration policies were protested during his first term (again, largely because of his rhetoric on them), but I don't recall any that had to do with deportations, so again, your hypothesis that it was okay for a young black man to deport people but not an old white man doesn't appear to have any basis in reality.

NxNW said:

Here's one right now! Clearly MS-13, from the looks of her.

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The picture of an 8-year-old handcuffed by ICE is fake and was created using artificial intelligence
. It was generated by a user of Grok, an AI creation tool.
Fact-checkers identified the following details indicating the image was AI-generated:

• The girl's left shoulder and the ICE agent's ear appear distorted.
• The fabric textures and background details are overly stylized or inconsistent.
• The image was not published by any reputable news outlet.

The user who created the image told the fact-checking site Snopes that their prompt was: "generate an image of Police ICE agents aggressively dragging Latino children crying out of a 2nd grade classroom".
Source: Google

It can be hard when you have intrusive thoughts about hell. Some months ago, I came under an attack by the devil, who insisted I abort my salvation in protest of hell, and those who would go there. At the time the attack was so strong, that I said "ok" and it sent me into a guilt spiral. Eventually I pulled my self out of it. What I have come to realise is, God is "faithful" and "just". Meaning he sticks with us even when we sin. He is also just, meaning he has provided a way for us to be saved, he is not desiring hell for us. If God's justice has reached to me, it will reach to all. I am not saying all will be saved, but rather, I am imperfect and God has saved me. Why should I then abort God's goodness, to save people who have chosen to reject his offer so they can do dark deeds.

Strong in Him said:

Not half as horrible as saying that someone who believes in a globe earth doesn't know how to read the Bible.

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Well look on the bright side Strong in Him they used to burn people for reading the Bible once ya know : )

Hentenza said:

@Yarddog on

The following is a very common sentiment that I heard many progressives promote. It’s a very common sentiment that permeates the far left side if the Democratic Party.

“The truth is that MAGA is right about Democrats and open borders. The deepest values any true Democrat holds point ineluctably toward open borders and freedom of movement for all people. We as Democrats must stop cringing from this core truth, and we must stop kowtowing to anti-immigrant rhetoric that only serves reactionary causes. Only an open border is consistent with freedom, democratic government, diversity, and racial justice.”

Democracy Demands Open Borders

Every immigrant is a vote for America. Every deportation is a vote against America.

www.liberalcurrents.com

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That isn't the Democratic party or their policy any more than the Nazi party is the Republican party.

Aldebaran said:

Supposedly.
Then maybe Mississippi should adopt the Chicago gun law model. We've all seen what a success that's been.

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The majority of guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside the city and from across the border in Indiana, where gun laws are far less restrictive. This is why stricter gun laws like those found in the city of Chicago and the state of California need to be imposed at the federal level.

Apple Sky said:

Go google a survey about it.

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I very much doubt that anyone has surveyed the world's population - and you claimed that most of the world's population did not believe in the moon landings.

All you could provide was a survey of 1,533 teenagers.

Apple Sky said:

Who said anything about fixing phones ?

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Sorry, I used the word "fix" when you had said "work".

But the argument still stands.
Just because a child may know how to work a mobile phone does not mean they can work out/understand that the moon landings were faked.
(They couldn't anyway because the moon landings happened.)

Apple Sky said:

Either way that's a horrible thing to say.

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Not half as horrible as saying that someone who believes in a globe earth doesn't know how to read the Bible.

Vambram said:

White House reveals illegal migrants who received Medicaid as shutdown over healthcare drags on

The White House revealed 49 migrants who committed crimes like murder, rape and assault who received Medicaid.

www.foxnews.com

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What on Earth does this have to do with anything?

S9 America shouldn't have a first world healthcare system that's covers everyone at half the cost (saving your debt!) ... just because... Immigrants!

Can you even begin to perceive how petty carping and racist that sounds to people outside the USA where universal healthcare is a right?

Are you really saying that 40 something baddies disqualifies the bottom 16 million Americans from healthcare?

That Trump should reward his billionaire mates with tax cuts while kicking the bottom 16 million Americans off healthcare to afford it?

How is this even remotely a Christian policy, a compassionate policy, a policy that treats other human beings as made in the image of God?

What you are looking at is government of the billionaires, by the billionaires, for the billionaires.

Didn't you know that's what BBB stood for?

Hentenza said:

I’m not wasting my time researching what is obvious. The dems didnt loose to a felon because that were great. The issues I listed have been talked about for quite some time now and not by just republicans. Get your head out of the sand.

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Lol,thanks for admitting the problem. You believe the right right wings lies because you're too lazy to check for facts.

ralliann said:

Who knew who they were? Nobody was calling them facists, Nazi's, ETC. That is the point...BIG DIFFERENCE.

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Huh? Not sure how that comment answers anything I said

ThatRobGuy said:

If I showed up at a left-wing rally and said "I'm a fan of giving people equal marriage rights, I'm a big fan of separation of church and state, but I'm a capitalist, and think you guys need to tone it down on the various 'critical theories' and that borders are still important", I'd get a urine bottle whipped at my head and told that I'm a fascist.

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This would never happen.

GoldenBoy89 said:

You’ll be voting for them soon enough.

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Hey, it's just locker room talk!

Servus said:

To be more specific; the radical left hates ICE. And and they crank out gobs of misinformation propaganda aginst them.

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Here's one right now! Clearly MS-13, from the looks of her.

disciple Clint said:

allow me to call attention to the question. Do you have anything the Obama did that deserves an award

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President Obama did not earn the Nobel Peace Prize; it was awarded to him by an overly enthusiastic progressive committee.

President Trump has not yet taken actions that would qualify for a Nobel Prize. If lasting peace in the Middle East is achieved, he could be considered as a suitable candidate for the prize.

Nevertheless, I believe it would be inappropriate for him to receive the prize given the manner in which he has advocated for it. My opinion is not personal, but rather rooted in fundamental principles we teach our children. When a child throws a tantrum or insists on receiving a reward because they feel more deserving than others, we typically refrain from granting that reward. In life, rewards are conferred not in response to persistent demands, but in recognition of virtue.

Regrettably, President Trump did not internalize the lesson that is frequently imparted to adolescents.

ThatRobGuy said:

For progressives to "go hard" on anything a Democratic president is doing with regards to immigration, the country would have to be devoid of any other "high value political targets"

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Maybe. But that's a pretty long way from your original argument now, which was:

ThatRobGuy said:

At the risk of sounding cynical...
I think the superficial answer is the accurate one on this.

An old white guy (perceived as having racist views on extraneous issues) deporting non-white people elicits a different reaction from some folks than if a younger non-white guy (perceived to have more progressive values) deports non-white people.

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I agree that left-leaning people are less likely to protest things done by left-leaning administrations (just like right-leaning people are less likely to protest actions by right-leaning administrations). But the lack of any significant protests against Trump's immigration policies during his first administration (which were more or less identical to Obama's) makes it pretty clear that the problem isn't just Trump. And if we look at what Trump and his officials are saying, and what ICE is doing, there are some obvious differences to how things were done in 2017-2020 that I think make for a far simpler explanation for the current vitriol.

Arctangent said:

We have probably a couple months worth of food preserved and set aside.

We have a freeze dryer and a pressure canner with food and meals put aside from them, and we also have a stock of canned meat (such as SPAM, sardines, tuna, etc), peanut butter, rice, beans, etc.

We have multiple 5-gal jugs of drinking water, and a bunch of liquor to use as a bartering currency (as well as jars to portion them out with).

We have a generator, and we're getting a plumber out soon to run a connection from our natural gas line to it so that we don't have to rely on gasoline (it is tri-fuel, so we COULD use gasoline or propane as well).

Lastly, we have plenty of ammo, and enough different calibers to shoot any animal of any size that lives in our region, should we need to hunt for more meat.

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Good work. You are well ahead of us in the hard prepping.

CoreyD said:

Also, if they are a "Lone Ranger' ask them what happened to the other members of the body.

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That is a good question. They should be there with him. Why are they not there?

Paul wrote, “We are ambassadors for Christ, God making His appeal through us” (2 Cor 5:20). Every true believer has a heart that longs for others to be reconciled to God. Genuine faith produces love, and love naturally compels action. John writes, “Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love” (1 John 4:8), and “If anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need yet closes his heart… how does God’s love abide in him?” (1 John 3:17). The greatest need anyone has is salvation, and love moves us to share it.

The Holy Spirit works in believers to give boldness and guidance in speaking about Christ (Acts 4:31; John 15:26–27). Paul said, “I believed, and so I spoke” (2 Cor 4:13).

1 Thessalonians 5:19–20 says, “Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies.” True prophecy points to Jesus (Rev 19:10), so sharing the Gospel is a Spirit-led prophetic act. Quenching the Spirit or despising prophecy often shows up as neglecting to witness (evangelism).

The reality is that many Christians rarely share the Gospel. Fear, busyness, or misunderstanding can hold us back. That doesn’t mean we aren’t saved, but it does show that our desire for the lost must translate into faithful action. Every believer should act on the prompting of the Spirit, speaking the testimony of Jesus so others might be saved. We must not quench the Spirit within us, as the Spirit was given so that we would speak.

Apple Sky said:

Yes - But if the earth is supposedly billion of years old when was the Bible written ?

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Well I guess our evolutionary friends need the millions or billions of years for evolution theory to work. Without it evolution is a cooked chook i guess. Now you go from Genesis to the entire Bible : ) I think some 1600 hundred years all up. Beginning closely somewhere around where Hentenza quotes and finishing somewhere in the 1st century AD

There is no universalism in Eastern Orthodoxy. We read John 5:24-30 for the departed in our funeral services for the hope in the salvation of the departed soul ( 1 Corinthians 13:12-13)Shortly before the fast of Lent leading up to Pascha ( Easter) we also observe Sunday of the Judgement in reading Matthew 25:31-46 which is pretty clear on the reality of heaven & hell.



Plus also from Matins leading up to the Sunday Liturgy of the Last Judgment:




The books will be opened * and the deeds of all mankind will be revealed *


before the dread judgment seat; * the whole vale of sorrow shall echo * with the


fearful and despairing sounds of lamentation, * at seeing all who have sinned


being sent by Thy just judgment * to everlasting torment, weeping in vain. *


Therefore we beseech Thee, O compassionate One: * Spare us who hymn Thy


praises, ** for Thou alone art plenteous in mercy.

Aldebaran said:

Then why all the advocating for stricter gun laws?

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They would reduce the frequency and lethality of shootings.