Apple Sky said:

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Based on the standard mathematical formula for the Earth's curvature, there is approximately a
67-foot drop (specifically around 66.66 to 67 feet) over a distance of 10 miles.

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AI is obviously hallucinating. I'm amazed at how much trust you put into a man made, large language model. You should ask it if the earth is a globe or is it flat.

Apple Sky said:

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Is this what science has come to ?

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No, it isn't.
And why are you posting something that speaks of "Freedom from religion"? Is that the only cute poster you could find?

prodromos said:

Science points to a creator.

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It does no such thing. Science (especially NASA) points to deception.

FaithT said:

Okaaaaaay. When I say “round” I mean spherical.

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Me too.

prodromos said:

No, the drop is less than 32 feet at 10 miles

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Based on the standard mathematical formula for the Earth's curvature, there is approximately a
67-foot drop (specifically around 66.66 to 67 feet) over a distance of 10 miles.

Brother Del said:

but His church had nothing at all to do with buildings are creeds, least of all cults or denominations.

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On the contrary, the Church established by Christ did compile the Symbol of Faith at the Council of Nicaea and refine it at Constantinople in 381.

That refined version is part of the Statement of Faith of CF.com and is unitive, not divisive, because the Nicene Creed is something all our members, from Eastern Orthodox to Evangelical, from Lutheran to Catholic, from Presbyterian to Anglican, and from Non-Denominational to Oriental Orthodox, can agree with, while at the same time ensuring cults such as the J/Ws, Mormons, Christian Science, Unitarians et al are excluded (since the defining characteristic of what we now call a cult, that is to say, heresy, is denial of the Incarnation of God in the person of Christ and rejection of the Trinity and other principles of the Nicene Creed.

Occasionally we have someone join who doesn’t bother reading the Statement of Faith, and no one would ever know except such members will immediately attack the faith of the Nicene churches, especially the more traditional ones like Catholics, Anglicans, Lutherans, Eastern Orthodox, Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Methodists, Oriental Orthodox, Moravians, et cetera, with intensity.

Apple Sky said:

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Science points to a creator. Ignore the atheists. Science doesn't belong to them.

rjs330 said:

Huh?....checking..... can't find where you said that and where it tied into what I said and agreed with you on anything.

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Read post #48. That is where I asked about this. You cut in to that conversation without knowing what it was about.

The Liturgist said:

I am comforted to know that Anchorites such as Fr Lazarus el Antony are praying for me.

As for the stylites, as an agoraphile, I would happily serve as one, except our society would tragically not permit it. But it is a fact that their consul was sought by the good and the great, including the Emperors of New Rome, and that their blessings helped many Christians in ways both spiritual and temporal.

It is also known that the stylites continue to pray for us even now and miracles are wrought through their intercession, as of the rest of the saints and the choirs of angels, especially our glorious lady Theotokos and ever virgin Mary!

St. Paul the Hermit, Pray for Us!

St. Anthony the Great, Pray for Us!

St. John, St. Symeon, St. Symeon the Younger, St. Symeon the Third, St. Nicetas and all Stylites, Pray for Us!

St. Mary, the Mother of God, Proprietess of Mount Athos, and Joy of All Who Sorrow, Save Us, for the glory of Thy Son, Christ our True God!

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I have no idea whether these departed saints are praying for us, and to be honest, I don't care. It isn't as though we need an accumulated number of gifted prayers to get us the help we need--Jesus seems sufficient.

As for Mary, she was a sinner just like we are. And I would pray for her, as well, if she was still a mortal on earth. But I feel it is just as vain for us to pray for her in heaven, as it is for her, in heaven, to pray for us on earth.

I know these ascetics proved their commitment to Christ, and that certainly counts for something. Some of them I'm sure were great advisors to any and all who came into contact with them.

We all could learn from their complete commitment, although I don't think it's necessary to be extreme to give our all to God. Paul didn't live in the extreme, and yet his attention to the ministry had its own costs and tolls, proving his own complete commitment.

We don't need to look for suffering. It will find us in the appropriate way and time. To add more suffering by inflicting it upon ourselves is, in my view, foolish. But don't worry--I have nothing but love and respect for those who have gone before and suffered. Your own commitment in the face of your own personal suffering is also something I would admire greatly.

JohnB445 said:

this has worried me, do I need to be a Catholic to be saved, or a Protestant? Or does the denomination have nothing to do with it?

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We’re saved by being a part of the Church. What the church is is the subject of ecclesiology, some believe it to be visible, some invisible. Some connect it to who one is in communion with, others to adherence to particular norms. The idea of denominations is a recent innovation intended to normalize schism; schism is inherently perverse and wrong.

rjs330 said:

Ive seen a lot of it including curriculum from the schools. I've seen the books and whats in them. I've read the material. It does NOT belong in the schools. There is no reason for it except to expose children to indoctrination. Kids are not psychologically prepared to deal with that kind of sexual influences.

The left is so determined to introduce kids to this younger and younger. Its unconscionable.

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So, you are not going tell us what you have actually seen. I was a volunteer in local schools and I saw nothing.

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Just because an organisation calls itself "Freedom From Religion Foundation," and has "In Science We Trust" as their motto, that doesn't suddenly turn every scientist in the world into somebody who wants freedom from religion. I have no idea how many of the world's scientists have any connection with FFRF. I am fairly sure it's not many.

Apple Sky said:

Even at 10 mile there should be a 67 foot drop in curvature, but there isn't.

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No, the drop is less than 32 feet at 10 miles

stevevw said:

Its strange how the very things that people called Trump or accused him of doing were being done by his accusers. This is usually the case. Funny how we see ourselves in others.

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Which are? I'm serious here, what are these things because I'm not sure what you are referring to. And is this just one or two things or are you claiming this about all accusations?

DaisyDay said:

Perhaps they ought to have - all we got were the John Yoo torture memo and the Abu Ghraib prosecutions.

People were arrested for pacifism during WWI.

Remember, "Mine is not to question why; mine is but to do or die"?

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I have no idea what you are trying to prove with this post.

RandyPNW said:

I don't personally consider it worthwhile to climb up on a pillar and live there, nor do I think it serves humanity to go off into the wilderness and live in isolation with God and nature.

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I am comforted to know that Anchorites such as Fr Lazarus el Antony are praying for me.

As for the stylites, as an agoraphile, I would happily serve as one, except our society would tragically not permit it. But it is a fact that their consul was sought by the good and the great, including the Emperors of New Rome, and that their blessings helped many Christians in ways both spiritual and temporal.

It is also known that the stylites continue to pray for us even now and miracles are wrought through their intercession, as of the rest of the saints and the choirs of angels, especially our glorious lady Theotokos and ever virgin Mary!

St. Paul the Hermit, Pray for Us!

St. Anthony the Great, Pray for Us!

St. John, St. Symeon, St. Symeon the Younger, St. Symeon the Third, St. Nicetas and all Stylites, Pray for Us!

St. Mary, the Mother of God, Proprietess of Mount Athos, and Joy of All Who Sorrow, Save Us, for the glory of Thy Son, Christ our True God!

essentialsaltes said:

Charged with what? Being an American citizen and saying so?

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No for obstructionism. That was the claim as to why he was picked up.

They should charge him and then have to prove it in court.

BCP1928 said:

You can be trans with out that. In fact most trans individuals never do get the surgery.

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That doesn't mean they are not mentally ill. If you believe you are the opposite sex you have a mental health issue.

BCP1928 said:

Although public schools will not be allowed to provide it

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Good because they will follow affirmative care. Which encourages the kid to transition instead of exploring the reasons why.

BCP1928 said:

But there are a number of people who don't want it to be allowed in the presence of their children

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So? Why do perverts who are trying to queen kids, need to be in the presence of children?

The Righterzpen said:

Why then is all of Europe and Australia shutting down their "gender affirming care" clinics for children?

And there's a friend of mine who's "transitioned" Female to "Male" about 7 years ago now. I've ever only known her (biological female) as her current "male" presentation. She's on a locked psych ward at a VA facility and she's been there for nearly 3 months now. She's there so she doesn't kill herself! She has multiple mental health diagnosis. And "gender affirming care" has not fixed her psychological struggles! Myself and several other vets have been praying for her.

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This is true. There is no evidence tha people who transition are actually better off after a number of years. The Cass Review proved that.

Also a recent Oxford study showed those who undergo transition are more likely to have more mental health issues, not less.

Fervent said:

We have to be careful when it comes to how we speak about suffering, because while there is a call to suffer it is not the goal and we must never confuse the means with the ends. Suffering is an evil to be avoided when possible, but not one to be avoided out of fear. There are moments when we will be called to suffer for the sake of another, and in those moments we must stand tall. We also can look to Christ when we are suffering for solace, knowing that it is a means of drawing closer to Him. But suffering is not the end, and must never be made an end unto itself.

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Some of the early and later Christian ascetics took "suffering" to a ridicuous degree. They were viewed as "God's athletes."

I don't personally consider it worthwhile to climb up on a pillar and live there, nor do I think it serves humanity to go off into the wilderness and live in isolation with God and nature.

On the other hand, I think it is commendable when people give things up, whether by choice or by circumstance, and continue to serve God in any way we can. Sometimes we give things up because they aren't healthy. Sometimes we give things up because they are taken from us.

There are many reasons to suffer the loss of things that otherwise might be enjoyable or fruitful for us. However, our good attitude speaks well of our Father in heaven.

Even when God sees fit to make man mute, or deaf, or blind, we must understand that all things come from God--both good and evil. God, however, has only the best intentions. We live in a world contaminated by evil, and God uses our evil circumstances for His good purposes.

Exo 4.10 Moses said to the Lord, “Pardon your servant, Lord. I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue.”

11 The Lord said to him, “Who gave human beings their mouths? Who makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I, the Lord? 12 Now go; I will help you speak and will teach you what to say.”

David Lamb said:

I didn't claim to have done that. I don't claim even to have read the 442,000 posts that you have agreed are actually on that forum. Indeed, I specifically said that I was referring only to the posts on the page that your link took me to. I wrote: "Well, there were none at all that said that on the page you linked to."

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Sorry - My mistake I thought you were referring to the Icke thread.

rambot said:

1. I will posit that if the patient is informed and willing and the results are positive it really doesn't matter exactly what the treatment is (I imagining the 60s and 70s the thought of putting radiation in your body to fight cancer was a distasteful option).
2https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract#:~:text=Regret after gender affirming surgery is less than 1 %.


lowest regret rate of any plastic surgery. Improvements in all facets of mental health too.

Why shouldn't people be able to feel better?

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The research is not reliable. It cannot be posited that it is effective.

And when it comes to children specifically even WPATH has admitted they are not giving informed consent and neither are the parents.

I think we've been over this more times than once. The above conclusion is extremely biased and unreliable. I reiterate the problems not for you because you've been told, but there maybe others who don't. Tge problems are:
Inadequate follow up.
High rates of loss of subjects
Imprecise measurements of detransition and regret
Reliance on biased samples or samples with poor generalizability.

concretecamper said:

However, "trust the science" has lost all credibility in the past 5 years.

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Is this what science has come to ?

johansen said:

i don't understand why it took 2 years to figure this deception out.

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I credit the Telegraph for even bringing this to light. Else the memo would have languished within the BBC like an open secret no one wants to talk about.

I heard somewhere when I was just listening to Youtube that one Youtuber said this happened when you let the narrative set the truth not the truth setting the narrative. Paraphrasing as I can't recall who said it and how exactly it was said. But his point was poignant and salient.

Fervent said:

If you're referring to drag, you might have a point. But if you're referring to the historic comedic trope of "haha male character in women's clothes" then your point falls flat, since the source of the mockery is the absurdity of a man in women's clothes not some ribbing of a stereotype. As drag is a recent phenomena belonging to a particular subculture, it hardly can be said to be a source of normality.

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Well said. Tie that with the total depravity and perversion in the drag culture and you see how abnormal it is.