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Tom8907 · 2025-11-29T02:19:02-0600

I wonder what you make about the verse about being tormented day and night with no rest...

Tom8907 · 2025-11-29T02:17:49-0600

All those verses in the NT and Gospels about petitioning the government.....

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T02:17:27-0600

David Lamb said:
How does that verse answer my post? I wrote that when Jesus is called the Chief Cornerstone, the context shows that He is the Cornerstone of His church. You answer with a verse from Job, not about the church, or Jesus, but about the earth.

This verse shows that there are foundations for the earth.

rjs330 · 2025-11-29T02:11:04-0600

BCP1928 said:
Suppose the woman, who now has no reproductive organs and has never really liked being a woman, decides to live the rest of her life as a man? Would you be able to refer to her at work as "he?"

No. Because she isn't. She can refer to herself as he, and other people can call her a he if they wish. But I'm not going to lie about it.

I would like everyone to just live and let live on something like that.

David Lamb · 2025-11-29T02:10:11-0600

Apple Sky said:
King James Bible
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Job 38:4

How does that verse answer my post? I wrote that when Jesus is called the Chief Cornerstone, the context shows that He is the Cornerstone of His church. You answer with a verse from Job, not about the church, or Jesus, but about the earth.

rjs330 · 2025-11-29T02:07:25-0600

Say it aint so said:
So forget about the studies for a second, If gender affirming care led to lower suicide rates would that be enough for those who are not supportive to those actions to reconsider?

This is hypothetical. There aren't any reliable studies that show this. There is a lot that isn't covered in a questionnaire. Often we cant even see the questionnaire. We dont know anything about the people. We have no idea what other comorbitities they have. No, sorry, this is not real scientific research. It's interesting. It is something to consider, but its not reliable.

David Lamb · 2025-11-29T02:05:58-0600

Apple Sky said:
The earth is circular in shape, like a
compass.

Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.

Setting a compass on the face of the deep doesn't mean that the earth is circular.

Apple Sky said:
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain.

For the umpteenth time you quote this verse as though it said, "It is he that sitteth upon the
earth, and the earth is a circle." The verse does not say that. It says that the Lord sits on the circle, compass or circuit of the earth, so the earth has a circle. Spheres have circles. The earth's equator is one. "The circle of the earth" does not mean the same thing as "The earth is a circle." If somebody visited you at home, they could say, "I visited the home of Apple Sky." Nobody would think he or she meant, "Apple Sky is a home," would they? So why do you twist Isaiah's words, "The circle of the earth" to make them mean, "The earth is a circle?"

Apple Sky said:
Job 38:14 The earth is changed as clay is by a seal; its
hills stand out like the folds of a garment.

Once again, you have missed the context, which is the coming of the dawn, whose light causes the features of the earth to be clearly seen.

Apple Sky said:
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

True, but that says nothing about the earth's shape.

Apple Sky said:
Psa 88:17 They came round about me daily like
water; they compassed me about together.

Again, nothing about the earth's shape.

Apple Sky said:
Isa 44:13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he
marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes,
and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh
it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty
of a man; that it may remain in the house.

Once more, nothing about the earth's shape.

Apple Sky said:
The Earth has borders. Antarctica is
an ice wall surrounding us.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the
gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and
God saw that it was good.
Psa 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together
as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and
spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it
brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but
no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Psa 74:17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth:
thou hast made summer and winter.
Psa 104:9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not
pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of
men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and

None of those verses even mention an ice wall that surrounds the earth, or Antarctica. Indeed neither of those things is even mentioned in the bible.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T02:05:04-0600

The whole earth is visible from
singular high altitude perspectives,
without refraction.

Job 28:24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth,
and seeth under the whole heaven.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will
draw all men unto me.
Dan 4:11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the
height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight
thereof to the end of all the earth.
Dan 4:20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew,
and was strong, whose height reached unto the
heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth.
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an
exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the
kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them.
Luk 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high
mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the
world in a moment of time.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every
eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of
him. Even so, Amen.
Isa 40:5 And the glory of the LORD shall be
revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the
mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

The dimensions of the earth are
unknown.

Job 38:18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the
earth? Declare if thou knowest it all.
Pro 25:3 The heaven for height, and the earth for
depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.
Job 38:5 Who fixed its dimensions? Certainly you
know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can
be measured, and the foundations of the earth
searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed
of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T01:59:28-0600

Strong in Him said:
Stop taking random verses out of context to make the Bible say what you want it to say.

It's not me saying it.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T01:56:25-0600

David Lamb said:
That seems to be taking bible verses out of their context. When Jesus is referred to as the chief cornerstone, it is in the context o His church, not the earth:

“19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief [cornerstone], 21 in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” (Eph 2:19-22 NKJV)

King James Bible
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Job 38:4

Strong in Him · 2025-11-29T01:52:32-0600

Apple Sky said:
The earth is circular in shape, like a
compass.

Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain.
Job 38:14 The earth is changed as clay is by a seal; its
hills stand out like the folds of a garment.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Psa 88:17 They came round about me daily like
water; they compassed me about together.
Isa 44:13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he
marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes,
and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh
it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty
of a man; that it may remain in the house.

The Earth has borders. Antarctica is
an ice wall surrounding us.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the
gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and
God saw that it was good.
Psa 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together
as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and
spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it
brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but
no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Psa 74:17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth:
thou hast made summer and winter.
Psa 104:9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not
pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of
men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and

Stop taking random verses out of context to make the Bible say what you want it to say.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-29T01:50:06-0600

Apple Sky said:
The Foundations are built onto the
Chief Cornerstone Jesus Christ,
structurally sound, on a flat plane.

The foundation of the Gospel, church and Christian faith - NOT the earth.

Apple Sky said:
Nobody has ever been in "space."
The lunar missions never happened.

Space is not heaven.
You are calling all the eyewitnesses "liars", even the born again Christians. Yet when comments have been made about Dean Odel and the creator of that "200 verses" chart, your response has been, "rubbish, they are born again Christians."

It seems you will only believe born again Christians if they believe the same as you.
That means, for you, the beliefs that the earth is flat and the moon landings didn't happen are far more important than the fact that someone believes in Jesus and has received him as their Saviour.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T01:48:25-0600

The earth is circular in shape, like a
compass.

Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain.
Job 38:14 The earth is changed as clay is by a seal; its
hills stand out like the folds of a garment.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Psa 88:17 They came round about me daily like
water; they compassed me about together.
Isa 44:13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he
marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes,
and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh
it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty
of a man; that it may remain in the house.

The Earth has borders. Antarctica is
an ice wall surrounding us.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the
gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and
God saw that it was good.
Psa 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together
as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth.
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the
earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and
spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with
bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it
brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but
no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Psa 74:17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth:
thou hast made summer and winter.
Psa 104:9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not
pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of
men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and

rjs330 · 2025-11-29T01:44:13-0600

Belk said:
Is it your claim that if the executive department disagrees with the legality of a judges order it can simply ignore it?

Yes I do if the order is out of the judges jurisdiction. In many of the cases regarding district Court judges it was questionable whether it was or wasn't and Trump didn't ignore those. In this case however, we have specific judges to deal with immigration law. Their word is final. Except for the Supreme Court. This judge has no legal jurisdiction by law over immigration courts.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T01:42:55-0600

The foundations of the earth are a
reality.

Psa 82:5 They know not, neither will they
understand; they walk on in darkness: all the
foundations of the earth are out of course.
Isa 24:18 ... and the foundations of the earth do
shake.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can
be measured, and the foundations of the earth
searched out beneath.
Psa 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen,
and the foundations of the world were discovered at
thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of
thy nostrils.
2Sa 22:16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the
foundations of the world were discovered, at the
rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of
his nostrils.
Pro 8:29 ...that the waters should not pass his
commandment: when he appointed the foundations
of the earth.
Mic 6:2 Hear ye, O mountains, the LORD'S
controversy, and ye strong foundations of the earth
for the LORD hath a controversy with his people,
and he will plead with Israel.
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that
the waters should not pass his commandment: when
he appointed the foundations of the earth.
Zec 12:1 ...which stretcheth forth the heavens, and
layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the
spirit of man within him.
Isa 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of
the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the
heavens.

David Lamb · 2025-11-29T01:40:06-0600

Apple Sky said:
The Foundations are built onto the
Chief Cornerstone Jesus Christ,
structurally sound, on a flat plane.

Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of
you builders, which is become the head of the
corner.
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof
fastened? or who laid the cornerstone thereof;
Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried
stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation: he
that believeth shall not make haste.

That seems to be taking bible verses out of their context. When Jesus is referred to as the chief cornerstone, it is in the context o His church, not the earth:

“19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief [cornerstone], 21 in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” (Eph 2:19-22 NKJV)

Nothing is said about the church or the earth being a flat plane.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T01:39:57-0600

timothyu said:
Agreed, (as He said over 70x) His only gospel was of the Kingdom and that was why He was sent..

No, He was sent to save the (elect of God only), you know those whom God chose to save before He created the world. You simply can't get around that awful truth can you....

lucypevensie · 2025-11-29T01:38:38-0600

Third day

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T01:37:58-0600

Jipsah said:
Wow. St. Paul took a very different view:
6 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Your religion apparently denies that. Imagine my shock.

The "truth" that your gurus have made up

I have cited many verses, which prove that that the gospel is the most offensive stench that an unbeliever can smell. So, yes the gospel is the most hated of all things in this world. Thousands of Christians are being murdered for sharing the gospel every single week.

So don't give me this nonsense about Paul taking a different view, they murdered all of God prophets and 11 of the disciples and they tried to kill Paul as well. Now doesn't that show how the world loves the gospel. Wow, you way out man

lucypevensie · 2025-11-29T01:37:30-0600

Generally, hospital uniforms mimic underwear.

MIMIC

rjs330 · 2025-11-29T01:33:48-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
That one of the Afghans committed murder doesn’t mean Vance wasn’t also being bigoted.

It also doesn't mean he was.

rjs330 · 2025-11-29T01:32:37-0600

Vambram said:
Resurfaced Footage: Vance Warned About Refugee Program Used By National Guard Shooter in 2021, RINOs Cried Racism

“Real leadership is accepting the tradeoffs of the situation, putting our own citizens first, and not dealing with fake platitudes."

www.westernjournal.com

To be fair, it has only been one that killed anyone. At least that I know of. Vance was absolutely correct to be concerned at the time. Its called wisdom.

The key word is unvetted. I don't know if they all were or just some or what. But it would be unwise not to vett deeply.

But that's water under the bridge now.

d taylor · 2025-11-29T01:27:28-0600

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A large portion of this country has become nothing but a crybaby.

stevevw · 2025-11-29T01:16:47-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
No but understanding the marks left by the egyptians tools matter.

The marks left by the Egyptians is the same marks the experts are trying to determine what made them. How are the marks any different because they are Egyptian. If they are made on a lathe it does not matter if they are Egyptian marks lol. They are lathing marks, not Egyptian marks.

Unless there is a special Egyptian lathing mark. Or maching mark. The machine cuts in granite such as the arc cuts are not Egyptian cuts but machined arc cuts. Similar mached arc cuts we may see later in history made by the same method. You don't have to be Egyptian to know this.

Stopped_lurking said:
Not making the code though.

I am sure his expertise came in valuable in developing the software. You don't know whether he knows coding as part of the areas he specialises in. So you can't make these absolute claims without evidence. This is what I mean by the double standards. You double down without showing this is the case.

Stopped_lurking said:
I know I've read his articles.

Then show he has no understanding of coding. From what I understand Marian specialises in the 3D digitalisation of ancient and cultural artifacts. That is transforming 3d objects into the digital space. I would say that includes knowledge of coding in digitalising objects into ,amagable software programs.

Nevertheless he may offer a specific expertise in the process of relating artifiacts in the software. The unusual and unprecedented shapes and how best to accommodate this in specific aspects of the software.

The point is we don't know and your making claims without evidence based on your unsupported opinion. All the researchers were called amatuer and I know the others have software expertise.

Dr. Márton Szemenyei, PhD is an assistant professor at the Department of Control Engineering and Information Technology

Rólunk – Vision

deeplearning.iit.bme.hu

Stopped_lurking said:
Suit yourself.

lol fair enough. Everyone can suit themselves.

Stopped_lurking said:
You do you, what do you want me to say?

Just be fair and honest. Thats all. So long as the criteria is fairly applied to all.

Stopped_lurking said:
Suit yourself.

Now its just not acknowledging the bias.

Stopped_lurking said:
The measure is decided by the method not the object of the result.

Yes and the different ways the vase can be measures all come to the same result. Whether you use a professional ruler like Petrie 100 years ago. Or the guague metrology that monitors the vase directly through sensors. Or the different scanning techniques such as structured light, X ray or Photgrametry.

The end result is the come to the same measures. Just some are more refined and down to the micron. But the micron level today is not disputing Petries measures. They are actually confirming them with even tighter precision.

Stopped_lurking said:
They didn't get the same results, they used different quality criteria. The 1968 vase is grouped with modern replicas, I know.

So are you saying that if they took one of the vases from say Karoyls results and applied Dr Max's and the Vase Scan Projects methods that they would come to a different measure for circularity for example. Some will find it with good circularity and the other will find poor circularity for the same vase.

Stopped_lurking said:
Perhaps they are but it has not been shown. I don't believe they are.

I am glad you say "don't believe" as there is ample evidence they were lathed or turned on something to achieve such high precision.

Part of Karoyls scanning was to scan the best example of an 18th dynastic alabasta vase made with the Bore Stick method depicted on the walls. I linked this vase before here. As Christ King says the Alabasta vase clearly matches the Bore Stick method. Which could grind out a softer vase but because it was a wobbly device you can see it is lop sided.

So we accept that the pretty good finish from the 18th dynasty using a form of lathe in the Bore Stick produced softer vases.

Yet in the British museum they have two preynastic large precision hard stone vases sitting just under a picture of the same 18th dynastic relief implying they were also made by the Bore Stick method. Quite deceptive. They never state how the predysnastic vases were made. Just that they were for Royalty.

So if the soft alabasta vase shows evidence of a simple lathing mechanism that created 18th dynasty vases. Then why all of a sudden argue that there was no lathing involved in far superior vases with better circularity.

Its inconsistent and double standards. Somehow ancients by sheer freehand grinding, poundin g and rubbing made better vases than later ones which we know were made using Bore sticks and not freehand.

Stopped_lurking said:
I thought you referred to Marians article about using photogrammetry for estimating the effects of pounders. Did you mean some other article?

Lol I actually forgot this was Marians work. I didn't refer to it because of Marian but as an example of evidence showing that the small dolorite pounders was not the method.

Stopped_lurking said:
Ok, link that article then.

I already have.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212054823000292

Stopped_lurking said:
The body's are in aluminium, not stone. They don't have surface deviations in the mm range. One material is highly ductile the other is not.

Do the use similar principles for setting the cuts, the angles of the arm and how a machine can manovour to cut such shapes.

But I keep saying this is hypocracy. Others have cited their knowledge and experience of lathing on wood and metal and there was no issue. Why are you now making it an issue. This is why I don't trust what is said as its double standards.

Stopped_lurking said:
Smith? Chris King? Where I involved in a dialogue with the others at the time?

Sorry King. No people were using their knowledge and experience of lathing on wood and metals to argue their case and it was all acceptable then. Funny how the goal posts change when it comes to the people I link.

Stopped_lurking said:
So get it in a journal then.

We don't need to. We can check it out ourselves and see the measurements. Numbers don't lie.

Stopped_lurking said:
They could have modeled a receiver in the chamber, and calculated the transmitted power as a function of the external field strength and wavelength.

This is what they said was next

The team is now looking at how pyramidal nanoparticles can be used in new and innovative ways to create new technologies such as nanosensors and highly efficient solar cells. The team also plans to do further simulations of the Great Pyramid using radio waves at shorter wavelengths.

Chambers in Egypt's Great Pyramid concentrate radio waves – Physics World

Computer simulations reveal electromagnetic properties of huge structure at Giza

physicsworld.com

Stopped_lurking said:
It is not accepted as true until it is experimentally verified, the chase after the Higgs boson stretched over decades.

I think this is a bit different. But nevertheless no one was calling the idea of the Higgs boson as psuedoscience. It was expected that it would be found because the modelling was correct.

Stopped_lurking said:
You do realise that granite is a common material? Today we have terrestrial medium wave radio wave sources that are in the 2 MW range (in Hungary), it can be picked up in the US in good conditions. Have anybody picked up any hungarian news on the radio inside the king's chamber?

Or is the granite blocks in Hungary laying vibrating on the ground, cracking as they vibrate at 560 kHz?

Or Quartz watches that only need a shake to get the electro charge going. Its a common material but potententially a material that can be utilised to generate electrical effects.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T01:10:31-0600

Jipsah said:
So if you reject those who come preaching rubbish, because it's necesssry to embrace their rubbish, and thus rejecting them as the fraudsters they obviously are we're "rejecting God's order"
Well, that at least gives us yet another example of why we should reject your rubbish, as you set it of being equal to, or superior to, the Gospel of Christ. T

No "as you do" we;re claiming that you're preaching unscriptural, explicitly false, rubbish, a corruption of the Gospel of Christ.

That and $2 and change will get you a small coffee at Starbucks.

That Jim-Bob's Muffler Shop and Theological Seminary offers.

<Guffaw<

I'm fine with a BS in Electrical Engineering and the ability to read, and I doubt that your guru has either.

OK, so now you're saying that God appoints His men to preach the doctrine of demons. I think you have confused The Lord God, with the god of this world, and that goes to prove that the god of this world has blinded you so you don't know the difference between lies and the truth.

I'm not sure if you believe in The Lord, and what He has said, but if you did then you would know that His people (the elect) can't be deceived by demonic doctrine and to suggest that we can, shows you don't fear God.

You have never found a singe fault with any of the doctrines I hold to, so all you can do is resort to the lowest common denominator, and that being slander.

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