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A2SG · 2025-11-25T02:05:09-0600

jacorian said:
Let me just also mention that a few years back we had a couple of youngsters in the school who identified as cats. Rather than the principal getting on the phone to the parent, the administration proceeded to secure litter boxes & placed them in the school.

PloverWing said:
Last I heard, this was an urban legend. What school was this, when did it happen, and what is your source?

rambot said:
a billion percent.
One of my....very simple students came up to me last year saying she didn't want to go to her new high school cause "my dad heard they let kids be cats in there".

It is never ever true. And they never ever admit it. And they never ever stop listening to the liars. And so they never learn.

It is an urban legend, and it has been debunked.

Did a Michigan School District Install Litter Boxes in Bathrooms?

The Michigan GOP seized upon the uncorroborated claims of a Midland woman about the presence of the "furry" subculture in local schools.

www.snopes.com

-- A2SG, really, it's pretty easy to check stuff like this....

rjs330 · 2025-11-25T02:04:31-0600

Say it aint so said:
Don't dictate on others your traditions.

If only the left said the same thing about their own beliefs.

Stopped_lurking said:
You asked if the school provides gender affirming care, that is not provided by schools.

Yes there are schools that do.

rjs330 · 2025-11-25T01:59:27-0600

Yarddog said:
have and there are some people generalize as you do. Others say that it isn't done.

There was no generalization. Links were provided to actual curriculum. Yeah, the left is very good at denial on these things. Then they minimize it once proof is shown. Eventually they fully admit it and say it should be done. This is one of those subjects.

If you want to be in denial, be my guest.

contratodo · 2025-11-25T01:56:40-0600

Der Alte said:
Malachi 4:3-4 Refers only to a one time event in this world "in that day". It does not refer to eternal punishment

Yes, during the day of the Lord the wicked are consumed away, annihilated. I believe that any due torture would be received in Hades for those who deserve torture, and then Hades itself is thrown into the lake of fire. As shown in my previous post, it is this world that becomes the lake of fire, everything in it consumes away into smoke, only the devil is described as being tormented forever.

And this thing do remember, that one day with the Lord is 1000 years and 1000 years one day. 'The day' of the Lord refers to the 1000 years.
At the beginning of it the armies gathered to fight Christ are reduced to dead burning bodies, and at the end of it, this current land sky and sea are consumed by fire.

rjs330 · 2025-11-25T01:54:18-0600

jacorian said:
Let me just also mention that a few years back we had a couple of youngsters in the school who identified as cats. Rather than the principal getting on the phone to the parent, the administration proceeded to secure litter boxes & placed them in the school.

Oh good grief. I'm not surprised by any lunacy that comes out of our school systems anymore.

rjs330 · 2025-11-25T01:51:05-0600

rambot said:
Honestly, and I mean no disrespect, all that's happenning is that we disagree not that I am not discounting "the problem of social pressures".

I teach in a junior high. Before that I worked in a youth treatment centre. My kids are 16 and 11. My 16 year old daughter is a drama nerd. I am RIGHT in the scope of it all. As mentioned in another thread, my daughter even went through it (seems to be coming out the other side).
I'm not sure how I could be MORE aware of the social pressures.
I am not catastrophizing and reacting out of fear; reacting like that is too "reptilian brained" for me. I am acting out of the love and knowledge I have that my kid will figure out where she is at when she is ready. With our numerous long conversations and recent ones, I've been blessed that she's been comfortable enough to keep in the the loop as she talks and thinks about it.

Frankly, I'm inclined to think that I actually have a fanTASTIC accounting of how robust the social pressure is. And I also know about what the affect that positive parents has on those kids. I know that present decent parents will be able to manage this just fine.

I would appreciate the things you say when, if you include the phrase "studies" says or anything of the sort, that you include the research in a link.

Your experience is EXACTLY why we should not be transing kids. The vast majority do what your daughter did and come out of it if left alone. Had you immediately started affirming her and got her hooked up with hormones you wouldnt be in the same place. Your example is why it should not be done to kids.

Bob Crowley · 2025-11-25T01:47:26-0600

Catholic Church - Christ the King.

rjs330 · 2025-11-25T01:47:19-0600

Hentenza said:
You are discounting the problem of the social pressures to conform that kids are experiencing today in both their school environment and social media to the point that some studies are even calling it a normal part of exploration. Its sad really.

Not to mention the pressure parents feel as well. If a kid starts down that path to thinking they may be the opposite sex, parents are told they should affirm that and get them on blockers and or hormones. Which then makes it nearly impossible to alter that path. And parents think they are doing the right thing because some so called expert told them that.

stevevw · 2025-11-25T01:42:20-0600

Hans Blaster said:
It seems we need to have a talk about conspiracy.

A conspiracy is a coordinated plan to keep an action or knowledge from the public for a nefarious purpose. A conspiracy theory is the assignation of conspiracy to explain some event or condition.

I am not just meaning conspiracy. I am meaning the promotion of any misleading or misrepresentation of something. Using fallacies to misrepresent the facts or truths creates a false narrative like a conspiracy.

Hans Blaster said:
Believing that the ancients had lost advanced technology -- is not a conspiracy (or conspiracy theory).

Hum then the language doesn't match. Language has been used that dismisses even the idea of ancient advanced knowledge full stop. This is done by explaining away that knowledge using the orthodox narrative as the go to explanation for everything without any evidence. Then accusing those who suggest alternative ideas as not having any evidence. Double standards. Part of forcing the orthodoxy.

Hans Blaster said:
Believing the ancients had lost technology from a lost civilization -- is not a conspiracy.
Believing the ancients had assistance from extraterrestrials -- is not a conspiracy.

What. I am pretty sure I can find direct contradictions to this in this thread. If I had suggested that the ancients gained their knowledge from extraterrestrials I would be piled on lol. There would be cries 'see we told you this is all quackery' lol.

Hans Blaster said:
These are beliefs, they are not conspiracy. The various ideas expressed by the non-professional Egyptology people (from Dunn to Karoly) are not conspiracies, no matter how kooky or implausible.

Now I am really confused lol. So believing the ancients maybe messed around with nature, physics, chemistry, astronomy and had real effects is ok a position to hold. Or maybe if a culture gained this knowledge they passed it on and we should believe the ancients when they say that their ancestors had advanced knowledge.

This is all ok. Is that what your saying. That its a legitimate belief and position to take that may be based on the truth.

Hans Blaster said:
Believing that 9/11 was an inside job -- *IS* a conspiracy theory.

Huh, why. What if it was an inside job. Like I said usually when there is some questioning its based on some truth. This is usually some inconsistencies in what happened. Its not a complete baseless idea. As opposed to say the many other events that don't get questioned because there is nothing suspicious.

I am not saying that 9/11 was an inside job. But the idea that questioning whether something was an inside job is not a conspiracy itself.

Hans Blaster said:
Believing the CIA and the Mafia killed JFK -- *IS* a conspiracy theory.

Once again there is usually some basis. It may have been nothing to do with the marfia actually killing Kennedy. But it may be that the Marfia was associated with Kennedy and that fueled the speculation. Its never based on nothing and made out of thin air. Otherwise the conspirators have nothing to use as the reason.

Plus I think a fair number of what were considered conspiracies actually were proven true. So saying this situation or that situation is a conspiracy is unjustified as we don't know. Because the unlikely has been shown to be fact before then any conspiracy may be proven fact. We don't know the deep State and all the hidden stuff that power has kept from everyone.

Look at Epstein which is starting to come out now. People have no idea of what was going on behind closed doors. But usually where theres smoke theres fire.

Hans Blaster said:
Believing the USAAF found and covered up an alien space craft in July 1947 is a conspiracy theory.

What about now. Up to 30 top officials with top level clearence testifying under oath in congress. Soon more will come out. How many people need to testify before its believed.

What about all the sightings. Sure some were human made drones. But many unexplained. Direct images and video from military hardware. From individuals phones and cameras all over the world. Was this just mass hallucinations.

Hans Blaster said:
Believing that Dr. Faucci worked with the Chinese to create COVID-19 in the lab is a conspiracy theory.

As mentioned these conspiracies are usually based on grains of truth. It may not have been that Dr. Faucci helped the Chinese to create Covid. But his department were involved in funding the Wuhan Institute of Virology who were working on the Covid virus. Two of the papers from that lab spoke about working on the virus and how this could create new unnatural mutations of the virus.

So its not based on nothing and there is even some questions still unanswered. Just like ancient legends are based on some truth of an event happening that has been elaborated on. So we should not be dismissing people who ask these questions. But encourage this as this will help find the truth.

Hans Blaster said:
There is no need to invoke "conspiracy" in this thread, so you can stop.

I am not the one evoking conspiracies. Any time I have mentioned this has been in response to someone making it about conspiracies or pseudoscience and I have to defend the sources. Have to explain its not actually a conspiracy or pseudoscience.

The fact we are arguing over whether this is the case or not is the evidence that the thread has been turned that way lol. And it was not me who did this.

rjs330 · 2025-11-25T01:41:27-0600

rambot said:
I can be empathetic to other feelings to which I am familiar.

You can and should be empathetic to others feelings. However empathy does not require you to recognize those feelings as something to be acted upon. Empathy can lead to us supporting a person who is harming themselves. Empathy when taken too far can actually be harmful.

Lukaris · 2025-11-25T01:36:18-0600

Salvation, I believe, gives us something to be thankful for ( 2 Corinthians 9:6-15, verses 11 & 12 per KJV) & to be shared as a hope for others in whatever we do from prayer, charity, & evangelism. This is all in light of our hardships we face of course yet the repentant thief tried to warn the unrepentant thief ( Luke 23:32-43) which is very humbling.

While I know I should never give a false assurance to anyone that works can save ( Ephesians 2:8-10), I should also understand God approves good works that He knows & I don’t ( Romans 2:1-16, Ezekiel 18:4-9 etc.).

rjs330 · 2025-11-25T01:33:20-0600

Philip_B said:
Have you run out of words yet?

I hope not. His information is very informative.

rjs330 · 2025-11-25T01:28:51-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
If you read my post as claiming that, then it would seem that the other guy wasn’t the only one struggling to comprehend what I understood to be something pretty basic.

I gave up. Since you can't get the idea that if something is more expensive after you were told it would be cheaper then I don't know what to say.

If I was buying a car and the cost was 20 grand and the car salesman told me, I'm going to save you 5 grand in this car, if you just sign this deal. And I did and he handed me a bill for 30 grand, I would know I had just been bamboozled by a used car salesman.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-25T01:28:05-0600

timothyu said:
All are free to make the choice. Jesus didn't say my people over here and repent, the rest over there and never mind understanding the Gospel of the Kingdom that says God will overcome all adversity and take government away from both elohim and mankind. That's like saying voters don't have a choice in who they side with. But yes, God does not deal with closed minds. It is these who seek division, while God seeks to reunite. But yes, Jesus was thankful for those whom the father had given him.

I don't follow your narrative here, I referred to scriptures which confirm that mankind is not free to make a choice at all. That's just wishful thinking, you won't find a single verse in the Bible to support your theory.

Now for a dose of the bitter medicine, also known as the awful truth. Here are some verses describing your free choice movement. >>>

Biblical Verses on the Fallen State (Total Depravity) these support the idea that sin has corrupted every aspect of human nature.

Genesis 6:5 emphasizing the continuous evil intentions of the human heart.
Psalm 14:1-3 (and repeated in Psalm 53:1-3, quoted in Romans 3:10-12) stating that "there is none who does good".
Psalm 51:5 on being conceived in sin.
Jeremiah 17:9 describing the heart as deceitful and sick.
Romans 3:10-12, 23 which asserts that no one is righteous or seeks God, and all have sinned.
Romans 8:7-8 stating the depraved mind is hostile to God and cannot please Him.
Ephesians 2:1-3 describing individuals as dead in sin and children of wrath by nature.

Biblical Verses on the Inability to Believe (Total Inability)
Verses cited to show that a person cannot initiate a relationship with God or believe without God's intervention include:

John 3:3 indicating one must be born again to see God's kingdom.
John 6:44, 65 stating no one can come to Jesus unless drawn by the Father.
John 8:43-44 where Jesus questions why people cannot hear his word.
Romans 9:16 attributing salvation to God's mercy, not human will.
1 Corinthians 2:14 noting the natural person cannot understand spiritual truths.
Ephesians 2:4-5 highlighting God's role in making those dead in sin alive with Christ.
Philippians 2:13 crediting God with working in believers to will and act according to His pleasure.

rjs330 · 2025-11-25T01:21:00-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
Yeah, I know, arithmetic makes my head spin sometimes, too.

Let's say that, hypothetically, 10 years ago, your premiums were $100/mo and, if the trends at the time had continued unabated, then after 10 years (i.e. today), your premiums would have increased to $1000/mo.

Now let's say there was a piece of legislation (call it IluvaCare) that cause your premiums today to only be $500/mo.

Did that legislation lower your costs?

I see, so if Trump lowers the rate of inflation, but prices are still higher then he has lowered our costs. By that factor he has already done equal to Biden since I believe inflation is the same as when Biden left office.

rjs330 · 2025-11-25T01:15:53-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
You mean things have improved today. The media now more frequently criticize the administration, which is appropriate in a democracy.

You mean the media frequently criticizes THIS administration. We saw little of that with Obama and Biden.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Members of Congress also speak out and share their views more often than they did 25 years ago.

Do they?

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
I love America! This is the way it should be. Media, citizen, and elected official speak up!

People have always spoken up. What we see today though is the proliferation of something along the lines of, "well, since someone spoke up, it must be a sign that the administration is doing something wrong". Its a ridiculous point of view. As I pointed out just because some speak up it doesn't mean anything is wrong. In fact it very well could mean, the speaker is completely wrong on the subject. Just like they were in WWII.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
The only un-American and undemocratic act in this story is threatening the lives of those who criticize the administration.

Who threatened the lives of anyone. Surely you aren't referring to the president are you? I don't recall him saying he was going to kill anyone.

He was rightfully ticked off for the Democrats pulling such a stupid stunt. Intimating illegal orders are being given. But I dont recall him saying he was going to kill them for it.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-25T01:13:49-0600

Fervent said:
there is only one name given, though there are numerous titles. And your list left off the most important attribute contained within God's name: Aseity.

I'm not sure where you got that from, but there is only One true and proper Name for God and that is "The LORD" nobody can argue against that fact.

Philip_B · 2025-11-25T01:11:30-0600

Have you run out of words yet?

Dan1988 · 2025-11-25T01:09:17-0600

Hentenza said:
I’m well aware. Thanks.

Glad to hear it, just wanted to be sure, cheers

Dan1988 · 2025-11-25T01:06:47-0600

RamiC said:
"34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” And they cast lots to divide his garments." Luke 23:34 ESV

"9 However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”[b]—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us." 1 Corinthians 2

"31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:31-32 ESV

It's one thing to pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context and then apply your unbiblical interpretation to them. You quote "Father forgive them", but you don't tell us who the "them" are so you leave us confused.

You then go on to quote other verses about what God has revealed to us by His Spirit, but again you give us no clue as to what those things are, leaving us even more confused.

You even quote a verse which confirms what I stated, without even knowing you shot yourself in the foot. >>>> "In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God".

As you can see, nobody knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. So please stop pretending that you're an exception to the rule.

stevevw · 2025-11-25T00:56:11-0600

Hans Blaster said:
How can you not get this. I've said it about a dozen times now. Nothing in this thread is a conspiracy. No one is calling anything that you have posted "conspiracy". You keep bringing "conspiracy" up as if the rest of us are accusing you or your principle source of "conspiracy thinking". We have not.

On the other hand, we have definitely called you and them out for pseudoscience. There is pseudoscience (some of it veiled) all over this thread. (And on a similar note, very little of what you bring up could be called "woo woo", but this recent discussion of "alternative knowledge" is getting close. I know how you like to accuse me of demeaning your content as "woo woo".)

Hum, then I am getting mixed messages. It seems just about every link the authors were made out as quacks. For example a couple of academics linked to Karoly (who was also labelled a quack) were said to be amateurs and did not know what they were talking about.

Christ King a 50 year veteran in engineering and precision tooling was made out to be a simple bike maker who did not know anything about machining. Dunn's idea of the pyramid having some ability to generate energy into pseudoscience.

Even Petrie was turned into outdated opinion.

If every person and article is tarred as being some sort of pseudoscience then thats more or less making the thread into being all pseudoscience. Or at least fixating on the credibility of the sources rather than the content and whether its supported by evidence or good arguements.

By fixating so much on the credibility of sources its taken time and energy away from the actuial content. In fact its prevented this thread from looking at the content they actually are supporting.

biblelesson · 2025-11-25T00:55:06-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
But you see none of these observations are even accurate. What is accurate is that the package of Adam and Eve came PREPACKAGED with FAULTS.

Paul outlined this clearly in 1 Cor. 15:42-46 showing us exactly the conditions that
Adam and “all” natural people are planted in. These 3 things also correlate to Eve’s built in flaws:

Planted in corruption
Planted in dishonor
Planted in weakness

Is there supposed to be some surprise if outcome of making decisions with those pre-existing conditions is not and can never be moral? We make every decision from those planted conditions. Basically being seeded in dung, within the darkness of earth, our own dust body.

There were no preexisting conditions in Adam and Eve. They were two pure beings that had free will. The sin came from the serpent.

Before eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve were perfect beings, and had the right to eat from the tree of life. If there was any corruption in them, they would not have been given the right to eat from the tree of life.

But, when they exercised their free will, and ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they were filled with the wrong spirit. The spirit was Satan’s spirit that became apart of man.

As far as Planted in corruption, Planted in dishonor, Planted in weakness - this is speaking of man after Adam - man from the point of Adam sin, is born into corruption, etc. Through Adam, creation became corrupted.

If Eve had only eaten from the wrong tree, nothing would have happened to creation, because God created man; woman was made from man. It’s the man’s seed that became corrupt, therefore children born from the corrupted man’s seed is born into sin. Not the woman.

That’s why Jesus had to be born without the male seed, yet he still could be born through an untainted pure virgin and the Holy Ghost - God’s Holy Seed was placed in her.

That’s why the Bible tells us Jesus came in the likeness of sinful flesh - Likeness - He was born without man’s corrupted seed.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-25T00:44:00-0600

JulieB67 said:
Your doctrine makes no sense and is totally unbiblical.

II Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

If it were all laid out in stone as you suggest, than God would not have to be so long suffering. If he's already giving them the gift of repentance, why is he so long suffering?

Another unbiblical statement. But yes, let's continue to redefine,-death, perish, destroy, etc..

This verse will always ring true-

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

To state anything other than what this verse plainly states would be a lie. Only one person gets life in that equation. The other perishes.

So he created some people he chose to burn for an eternity? Are you actually hearing yourself?

You are confusing certain elect with other Christians. But that's another subject for another day.....

Wow, says the person that posts this-

Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

Where's the present and future in that?

So you are basically stating this verse isn't true?

Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

We will always fall short and sin in the flesh but to say that verse is not possible is untrue. One can always mature as a Christian and then it becomes easier to put God's will over our own. When we fall, we get back on path. But to say it doesn't matter, we cant change is unbiblical. Repentance is a change of heart and mind. To think differently So your doctrine does not come from the Word of God.

Christ would state something very different to the Christian churches that had fallen away. Only those that overcome from what where they had fallen would not have their names blotted out. Those that overcome would not be in danger of the second death. Christ is telling people to repent over and over. He's not giving them the gift of repentance. Upon belief in him and true repentance we are given the gift of eternal life. Where are you getting this stuff? The ones he's telling to repent are Christian churches. Why is he telling them to repent if he's already given them the gift of repentance? You make no sense and yet continually insult others on their beliefs.

I John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"

If you continue to walk in darkness the truth is not even in you.

It sounds like you're just making up things as you go along because what you are stating is not biblical. Indoctrinated it sounds like. I was once there as well. But the truth can really set us free.

You have placed your faith in Jacob Arminius, but you will never find a single verse in the bible to support your "saved by works" version of the gospel.
I see you have taken every verse out of it's intended context and twisted it's to change it's meaning to suit your works based version of the gospel.

I have presented the gospel, as it is in the Bible but you reject it because it offends you, and here's why IO believe you are offended.
This is speaking about the two kinds of people responding to the gospel. >>2 Cor 2:16 To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. And who is sufficient for these things?

To me the gospel is the aroma of life, so I love it. You reject it because you can't stand the fact that God has the right to do what ever He wants with His creation. God said He elected some for honour and some for dishonour but you reject what God has said.

I praise God for tormenting sinners in hell for all eternity, just as I praise Him for everything else He does. You can't praise Him if you don't agree with what He does.

The gospel confirms that Christ has atoned for all of the past, present and future sins of Gods people. We are dead to sin, and death ha lost it's power over us. We already have eternal life, we are already saved, we're not working to earn our salvation as you and all the followers of Jacob Arminius are.

Gene2memE · 2025-11-25T00:41:49-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Do you think that it matters in the reality of the world, which nations participate in that?

No, but it matters for that graph. It's measuring poverty rates between OECD peers. That's only capable because they have an agreement that ensures there is data sharing on a like for like basis.

Landon Caeli said:
The comment was made that socialistic economies are better for the poor than capitalist ones, while excluding a huge number of countries in the data set. That's not useful.

No, the comment was that "democratic socialist" countries populate the low end of child poverty rates.

Democratic socialist is a subset of socalist countries.

They - generally speaking - combine democratic representative governments with substantial state involvement in the economy with universal social safety nets. Typical features include state-owned monopoly corporations which act according to a charter rather than purely financial considerations, some form of state-led economic planning and strong regulatory controls, particularly around labour.

Some may seek socialist reformation of the economy, while others are more concerned with market socialism as a way to curb the 'race to the bottom' excesses of unregulated capitalism. Generally that's a social democracy vs democratic socialism distinction, but time and popular usage has blurred those lines.

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