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timothyu · 2025-11-25T18:06:19-0600

Andrewn said:
So, here, as in the parable of Rich and Lazarus, the spirits are conscious.

He was talking to the captive rebellious elohim

Bradskii · 2025-11-25T18:03:16-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Yes, atheists are banned from Scouting.

And yet they reference 'a God' (my emphasis). Which is confusing, using the indefinate article yet referencing God (capital G).

prodromos · 2025-11-25T17:53:54-0600

Apple Sky said:
Says someone who thinks we live on a flat earth.

Oops - Sorry I meant a spinning ball

We live on a slowly rotating globe (takes 24 hours for 1 rotation) which takes an entire 365 days to orbit the sun.

Andrewn · 2025-11-25T17:53:25-0600

JulieB67 said:
I believe there is a gulf as Christ described. And I believe after Christ was quickened/made alive in the Spirit he went to that side to preach to the spirits in prison.

Thank you for the explanation. I'm trying to think how this scenario would fit with my understanding that distinguishes the soul / psyche / nefesh and the spirit / pneuma / ruach

1Pe 4:6 For this was the reason the Good News was proclaimed even to those now dead, so that though they are judged in the flesh before humans, they might live in the Ruach before God. (TLV)

It seems that the Lord Jesus went in the spirit and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison. So, here, as in the parable of Rich and Lazarus, the spirits are conscious.

Do you believe those in the spirit prison have a chance to repent and go to paradise?

Hentenza · 2025-11-25T17:51:59-0600

d taylor said:
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So Globe earth christian believers i am guessing they also go with science. That stars die out and new stars are being formed, of course that again is also without Biblical support.

But i guess science rules over God's creation account.

The Bible is not exhaustive and only teaches what God chose to reveal. Secondly, God created everything including science. There are a lot of scientists that are Christians. Third, God created the universe and wants us to look at it and study it because, as Paul teaches, we can see God’s attributes in His creation (Rom. 1). Fourth, God inspired the Bible, He did not dictate it to the writers, consequently, there are a variety of literary devises employed to tell the stories, including poetic, symbolic, observational, metaphors, similes, and parables among others.

What I have noticed is that those, like you, who propose nonsense like a flat earth strictly read the Bible literally. That destroys any kind of proper understanding of the teachings of the Bible and introduces a flawed interpretation. Secondly, you are missing the richness of God’s teachings by negating the fullness of the word of God.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-25T17:51:29-0600

prodromos said:
Her response to your post is no less imbecilic.

Which is the nicest word we can use.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-25T17:50:27-0600

rjs330 said:
I see, so if Trump lowers the rate of inflation, but prices are still higher then he has lowered our costs. By that factor he has already done equal to Biden since I believe inflation is the same as when Biden left office.

If he didn't bring inflation down, then he didn't reduce costs. If he did bring inflation down from what it otherwise would've been, I think it's fair to say that he reduced costs.

rjs330 said:
I gave up. Since you can't get the idea

I can't get the idea?

The only people who aren't "getting" anything are you and @probinson who misread what I've said.

If the claim was that Obamacare will "reduce costs", then it seems to have done that by reducing the rate of increase.

If the claim was that Obamacare will cause prices to be lower in the future than they are now, then it has not done that.

prodromos · 2025-11-25T17:49:58-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
It's the forum rules that stop me responding to this as how it really ought to be responded to.

But you do have a serious lack of a knowledge and an equally serious lack of a desire to learn. And that is sad on so many levels.

Her response to your post is no less imbecilic.

CLEEB · 2025-11-25T17:49:15-0600

Dan Perez said:
And why did Jesus wash the disciple feet. ?

In EX 30:19 AARON. and sons always had to wash HANDS and FEET

And verse 20 would kill them. IF they did not WASH HANDS and Feet

Why , because the in. Rev 1:6 the 12 apostles will sit on 12 thrones JUDGING ISRAWL

dan p

Jesus was not of the priesthood of Aaron / Levitical but of Melchizedek. Hebrews 7:7 You attempt to connect what Jesus did with the Levitical system will not apply. If Jesus was on Earth today he would not be a priest. Hebrews 8:4 Jesus could not even be a priest under the law because he came from Judah not Levi. You have your wires crossed and your comment has short circuited.

RileyG · 2025-11-25T17:47:45-0600

LoricaLady said:
It’s a long story that i
won’t get into but something has happened that makes me concerned about how malware and bugs could harm my iPhone and critical information.

Please pray for protection from that. Thank you.

praying now!

RileyG · 2025-11-25T17:47:12-0600

Praying for Hannah!

RileyG · 2025-11-25T17:44:15-0600

Vambram said:
Hopefully, the POTUS and the federal government will also designate those 2 organizations as terrorists.

Agreed!

RileyG · 2025-11-25T17:43:19-0600

ugh! Lord have mercy! She should be ashamed of herself!

Paulos23 · 2025-11-25T17:43:09-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Yes, atheists are banned from Scouting.

Technically, but a few troops do allow them in secret.

Scouting is for all.

RileyG · 2025-11-25T17:42:39-0600

Thanks for sharing!

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-25T17:42:38-0600

Gene2memE said:
In the OECD, or in the chart?

Both? I mean, isn't it a chart of OECD countries? There's nothing unusual about Uriguay, that would prevent them from being part of it. Argentina could qualify too, I don't see why a bunch of countries aren't part of it.

RileyG · 2025-11-25T17:41:12-0600

BobRyan said:
Nothing in OT or NT for that

Not in the Bible.
Christ was confronted with it and responded "on the contrary"

Not a role specific to any office or person in the NT

Not in the NT at all ( or OT)

"in remembrance of me" not "I am killed each time you do this"

Not in the Bible at all ... not even in the Apocrypha

Not sure what you mean by that

Mark 7:7-13 is Christ's response to that

I can write a very long response to this, but the bold part is beyond wrong, and an inaccurate view on the Catholic view of the Eucharist and the real presence. The sacrifice of Christ on the cross happened ONCE and ONCE only. The Mass is an reenactment of the Last Supper and Good Friday.

Also in Acts 16:15, whole households were baptized. Which most certainly included children and infants.

Regarding Mariology, "Behold your Mother" by Tim Staples is a wonderful book that uses scripture to defend the Marian doctrines.

Prayers for the dead are an ancient Christian and Jewish practice. They weren't even questioned until the Protestant Reformation. Ideas such as soul sleep aren't biblical and weren't even thought of in Christianity until relatively recently. I think the 1800s.

Regarding confession, it's 100% biblical. John 20:19-23, Matthew 18:18, James 5:13-16, Matthew 16:19, among others.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-25T17:41:09-0600

Trump is simply despicable and those who defend his abuse of power in seeking revenge share in his despicability. There I had to invent a nee word to fit his character,

Gene2memE · 2025-11-25T17:40:34-0600

In the OECD, or in the chart?

Dan Perez · 2025-11-25T17:40:33-0600

CLEEB said:
Jesus said, let him who is greatest among you be the servant of all. Yes, Jesus was indeed demonstrated this spiritual principle. After the foot washing he said, John 13:14 Carnal minds take this literally but Jesus is giving an example of love and service to others. It was common practice in those times to wash the feet of a guest in your house to show hospitality and be a gracious host since traveling in sandals would cause the feet to be dusty and dirty. This is not a practice today. Today we may offer food or drink and a comfortable chair to sit in. It is showing love and service to others. Some churches practice foot washing without this understanding and since it is not a common practice today makes people feel uncomfortable. They have no understanding.

And why did Jesus wash the disciple feet. ?

In EX 30:19 AARON. and sons always had to wash HANDS and FEET

And verse 20 would kill them. IF they did not WASH HANDS and Feet

Why , because the in. Rev 1:6 the 12 apostles will sit on 12 thrones JUDGING ISRAWL

dan p

Mockingbird0 · 2025-11-25T17:40:00-0600

Patriarch Bartholomew can make a gesture by stating that he will remain in communion with jurisdictions that, like Finland, adopt the Gregorian paschalion.

In the alternative, the Easterners can adopt the half-way measure of adjusting their lunar tables to agree better with the visible moon. At present the Julian lunar tables are 4 to 5 days off. For example, in 2025 the Gregorian full moon was on April 13 while the Julian full moon was on April 17.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-25T17:38:22-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Everyone is talking about Trump's coziness with a socialist. Does anyone want to talk about why Mandami wanted to meet with a man he called a fascist? Unless, of course, Mandami new his accusations were not true.

Have you posed the same question about JD Vance working for the guy he thought could be America's "Hitler"?

CLEEB · 2025-11-25T17:34:12-0600

Jo555 said:
Hi. I have had similar feelings of feeling this place is full of division and not a healthy environment, and at times I felt like I'm just being sucked into the mud and would have liked to hit the eject button, but God is just showing me how to handle it. I may miss it a time or two, but we continue to learn and grow.

I personally have seen little fruit, just speaking of my view, but I do find some here and there. In fact, I think I've even said in the past that I'm going, but find myself back in. I'll tell you why.

As I said, I'm dealing with a life and death situation for nearly a year now. I had been seeking the Lord on it and although He would give me things here and there on it, these were steps to take, like guiding me step by step and I wasn't happy with that. The matter is such a serious matter and told time is of the essence so i was freaking out. I want to know which way to go because the experts are saying it's all bad, but a decision needs to be made. And some thought their way may be short term bad, but long haul good. And everyone is different so it may not be as bad, or it may be worse. There is no guarantee. And no one agrees with each other; being pulled in different directions.

I won't get too specific because it involves others, but it was a very gloomy picture. For myself I couldn't care less, but this is happening to others too.

So the Lord gave me some insight ...great stuff, but appears this is going to be a walk of faith step by step.

Now here is the thing, during this time I'm getting dreams and visions from Him regarding the body of Christ.

It literally frustrated me because I wanted Him to keep on the issue I'm dealing with, but it wouldn't stop. On and on. I won't share as if the maturity is not there, people will just use these things as weapons to attack each other instead of grieving and allowing the Holy Spirit to intercede and however He may work.

I don't go to a physical church, haven't for years, so figured it may just be with fellowships beyond the four walls that I may also be involved in. Since He kept on there, I took it to mean He wants me to trust my situation in his hands and give attention to something He wants to draw my attention to.

I'm trying to be faithful to Him there, and I literally see what appears to be a miracle taking place on this end.

And, miraculously, when things looked there worse, I had, and still have, the peace that passes all understanding.

I hope to share in near future the biggest thing He taught me through this, how fear robs us of hearing from Him and opens the door to being robbed of things He's given us to guide us.

So I share some of your sentiments. In fact I recently shared with another how I am growing discouraged and don't see fruit, and don't see it as a healthy environment and want to move on because God knows I did not choose this, getting out of my God bubble, but He has now engaged my heart and I do not feel I am at heart released from it yet.

Fruit takes time to grow. It begins as a seed and we share, then let the Lord land that seed where it needs to go. Others He will use to water it, but He does the work and makes it grow.

I personally do not see this place as a healthy environment for those that have mental issues, but each as the Lord leads. You can always avoid the areas that contribute to you feeling sick, or you can check out and return when you feel healthier. I thought you had some great things to share. My only real issue was that you appeared to look to blame others and although GOD DOES NOT IGNORE CONTRIBUTORS AND THAT IS FOUND IN SCRIPTURES, HE DOES EXPECT US TO HEAR FROM HIM FOREMOST FOR OUR WELLBEING.

Sorry for the caps. I'm not yelling. I just want to emphasize that point.

You follow what you feel the LORD has laid on your heart. I like to say if we are unsure of his voice, it will become more apparent with time because our growing sick will make it obvious it is time to get out.

No one is perfect and we are all learning and growing, and we won't reach perfection alone.

Look to the Lord for your wellbeing because people will fail you. Although we are his hands and feet in the world, we cannot give you what only He can.

That said, if I unnecessarily offended you in anything I may have said, do accept my apologies. I am also learning and growing and will miss it to at times. We all see in part, but most important is to remain in his love.

I may end up leaving too. Maybe soon as I am seeking Him on it, but for now He has engaged my heart and will continue until the picture is clear.

God bless you big!

Why don’t you two find a way to communicate with each other away from this forum ?

Hentenza · 2025-11-25T17:33:35-0600

Bro.T said:
I agree, Christ nailed the law on the cross, but you my friend don't seem to know which law it was. Paul preach about more then just one law, more then just one death.

Matt. 22:40. He nailed ALL of the law to the cross. You are not addressing my post but merely trying to talk over me.

Bro.T said:
Paul didn’t come preaching and teaching his own thing, but he abided in the doctrine of Christ. (Rom. 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sights for by the law is the knowledge of sin. The deeds of the law is referring to the animal sacrificial laws, all those sacrifices can never remove sins, so they could never be justified. This is true because the blood of Jesus can only justify us. The animal sacrificial laws was added because people continue to sin, and the wages of sin bring for death. So instead of God killing people every time they sin, the Lord gave Moses a law to use, animals. So by the other law (Ten Commandments, Statutes and Judgement) is the knowledge of sin. Because, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

”We” did not read the definition of sin. First, where in Rom. 3:20 does it teach that Paul is referring to the sacrificial laws? The deeds of the law is doing the ”works” of the law whether is sacrifices, ceremonial, etc. So no one will ever be justified by the works of the law. Paul makes this super plain in the next chapter when he explains that Abraham was not justified by his works but by his faith. The sacrificial laws never removed sin nor did it give a way to repentance. Now, why do you think Paul states that now there is no condemnation to those in Christ in Rom. 8:1?

Bro.T said:
Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. So when you quoted all the places in the Bible that do away with this animal sacrificial law, not understanding that Paul talks about two sets of law. The Royal law (Ten Commandments) and the animal sacrificial law sometimes in the same verse you bring can bring destruction to yourself not knowing which law is which.

I’m going to post a response that I just posted to another poster in another thread that made a similar argument.

Several passages of Scripture clearly establish that the coming of Christ has brought an end to the Mosaic Law.

Romans 10:4, “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”

Christ fulfilled the Ten Commandments by living a perfect and sinless life and so when man trusts in Christ as his Savior, Christ’s righteousness is imputed to that individual so we have justification (Romans 4) resulting in the fact that the Law can’t condemn us (Romans 4:4-8; 5:1, 7:1-6, 8:1).

Christ fulfilled the ceremonial ordinances, the shadows and types of His person and work, by dying on the cross for us and in our place.

Christ also fulfilled the Social Law, but now He replaces it with a new way of life fitting to our new salvation.

The believer now is under God’s new law, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2-4).

Therefore, the doctrine of justification by means of faith in Jesus Christ upholds the Law for three reasons:

(1) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross satisfied the demands of God’s Law that required that human sin be judged (Romans 3:26).

(2) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross establishes the Law by fulfilling the purpose of the Law in driving men to Jesus Christ as their Savior (Galatians 3:24).

(3) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross establishes the Law by providing believers the capacity to obey the Law through the ministry of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:3-4).

This is why I have stated in the past that the Holy Spirit gives us the knowledge of sin and the way to repentance since the law is not able to. This is why there is no longer condemnation for those in Christ (Rom. 8:1).

Bro.T said:
At some point common sense should kick in.

At some point you should begin to question your biblical interpretation when it puts Jesus and the epistles in tension with what you are arguing. It’s about hermeneutics not about verse mining.

Bro.T said:
If I'm reading about the doing away of a law or not under a law, then somewhere else Paul tell you that the law is Holy just and good, another place break mostly all the Ten commandments down. A light bulb should come on in your head, Paul have to be talking about two sets of laws. In other places Paul explain the animal sacrificial law.

My light bulb is on.

Bro.T said:
Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

Why do you think Paul would make such a statement? You post the verse but make no exegesis or commentary. I bet that I have a difference understanding of this verse.

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