jonojim1337 said:

Yeah sure buddy, they can’t even tell the same story.

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Obviously the top photo is taken from further out with a standard lens while the bottom is from much closer with a fisheye lens. Of course you people don't bother to actually research the details with photographs. Things like lens type, focal length, field of view, distance to subject etc. are important information when comparing photographs, but flat earth photo comparisons are usually completely devoid of any such details.

Total fail, but do try again.

JosephZ said:

Do you have any testimonies from any ex-Muslims who aren't selling books? Fear sells and it seems every ex-Muslim that does these types of interviews is doing it for financial gain.

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Thats a terrible assumption to make. If you listen to her story you might realize she wrote to tell the story of the horrors of Islamism. Because she lived it. Would she be more believable if her story didn't make her book didn't sell?

I suppose anyone who wrote a book about their life in a concentration camp, or as a POW was all about selling fear or disgust too?

It seems you may be just another unwilling to hear what goes on.

JosephZ said:

I agree; however, the vast majority of Muslims are not Islamists, and those who are, especially in the West, do not support using violence to achieve political goals or change the style of government they live under. In fact, many of the Muslims migrating to the West are escaping from oppression and conflict by violent Islamists in their country. They don't want to bring what they are escaping from to where they are now.

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Yet they are bringing their extremism with them. There are two types of Islamists. There are the ones who use violence and force to bring change and those who wield the political sword to bring about their control and Islamic melding of church and state. At this point, in the west it is usually the latter with small doses of the former. They use the desire of westerners kindness and desire to be seen as good people against them. Trotting out the whole Islamophobia accusation against those who might have any issue with what they are doing. And people are not wanting to be accused of that will buckle under to avoid even the appearance of it. We saw this on full display when the poor pastor was raked over the coals with these accusations over his voicing of some concerns.

Strong in Him said:

You think a YouTube video which is made by Freemasons - who, when it suits you, are liars - is the best science education there is?

I asked you to explain it - you clearly can't so you resort to an insult on a person instead.
Didn't you once complain about that sort of behaviour?

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Sorry -

Apple Sky said:

A bit like Newton's gravity & Apollo (a god) missions to the moon oh & lets not forget their floating earth around the sun.

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Gravity is not "made up" - you can prove it by dropping things. They always fall on to the ground.
Moon missions aren't made up; there is loads of evidence. You keep repeating the "made up/fabricated" line to draw attention away form the fact that a) it wasn't that long ago that you believed the astronauts and said "sorry" to God for doubting, and b) you are accusing a born again Christian - someone who is as precious in God's eyes as you are - of lying.
The earth does not "float" around the sun, it revolves. If it did "float" it could drift off to anywhere in the universe.

You've managed to change the subject - so you can't explain what a black sun is, then?

It is Islamists who are the least tolerant and the most dangerous. Statistics show the places with the highest number of persecution are all Islamic. It is divided between Sub-Saharan Islamic countries and Middle Eastern. The Americas are the lowest.

With the propensity of Islamists for lying, violence and political manipulation it makes it very difficult to determine if the group will radicalize or not. And right now these are the types that have moved into Europe and are causing problems there. They are also coming here. So we can't just blindly accept them or their schools. Because we just don't know. Care and real caution are called for.

Because the Christian schools in Islamic countries are not radicalizing people the same way.

Apple Sky said:

No wonder you don't know much about science.

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You think a YouTube video which is made by Freemasons - who, when it suits you, are liars - is the best science education there is?

I asked you to explain it - you clearly can't so you resort to an insult on a person instead.
Didn't you once complain about that sort of behaviour?

Strong in Him said:

They made it up -

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A bit like Newton's gravity & Apollo (a god) missions to the moon oh & lets not forget their floating earth around the sun.

Strong in Him said:

Not watching a video; it's not the cinema.
You explain - if you can.

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No wonder you don't know much about science.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

I don't want neither. Both are too extreme to me.

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Totally agree!

Apple Sky said:

It doesn't it comes from 'The Legend of the Jews by Louis Ginzberg.' And it also states that the end of his staff was made of sapphire & only the right person could pull it out of of the ground a bit like Arthur & his sword, I wonder where they got this story from ?

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Well, if this quote about "Legends of the Jews" is anything to go by, the legends are highly unreliable:

"Stories like Joshua being swallowed by a whale, Adam and Eve as cannibals, or detailed accounts of angels and demons are common in Ginzberg's work, expanding far beyond the biblical text. "

Apple Sky said:

It doesn't it comes from 'The Legend of the Jews by Louis Ginzberg.' And it also states that the end of his staff was made of sapphire & only the right person could pull it out of of the ground a bit like Arthur & his sword, I wonder where they got this story from ?

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They made it up - just as Flat Earthers do.

Apple Sky said:

The one in the video.

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Not watching a video; it's not the cinema.
You explain - if you can.

Strong in Him said:

What black sun?

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The one in the video.

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David Lamb said:

Where does the bible say anything about Moses finding his staff in his father-in-law's garden?

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It doesn't it comes from 'The Legend of the Jews by Louis Ginzberg.' And it also states that the end of his staff was made of sapphire & only the right person could pull it out of of the ground a bit like Arthur & his sword, I wonder where they got this story from ?

Apple Sky said:

And here we are again you discussing the person & not the subject.

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No, she was responding to what you have written, in this instance posting a video from a freemason in support of your beliefs, and elsewhere, on many occasions, referring to the astronauts who have been to the moon as "lying freemasons."

Apple Sky said:

All that said & done, what are your thoughts on the black sun ?

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In other words, brushing it under the carpet.

What black sun?

Strong in Him said:

And here you go again - changing the subject.

You have previously dismissed eyewitness testimony from astronauts because they were Freemasons. Now you are presenting a video made by Freemasons as something worthy of watching and considering. It doesn't matter to you that Freemasons made it, it suits you to quote it.
At best, that is being inconsistent - other people may have another word for it.

Attacking another person rather than admitting your own mistake/fault/double standard, is not a good look, or witness.

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All that said & done, what are your thoughts on the black sun ?

jonojim1337 said:

That doesn’t make sense. If I heat one air particle, will it rise or not? How is the density of one particle affected?

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How can you separate one particle of air to heat it?

Apple Sky said:

No he found it in his father in laws garden.

The Legend of the Jews by Louis Ginzberg.

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Where does the bible say anything about Moses finding his staff in his father-in-law's garden? Anyway, how does your post answer the one to which you were replying, which wasn't about where the staff came from, but about it not being a magic wand.

Apple Sky said:

I didn't say 'Holly tree' I said 'Holy Tree'.

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What holy tree? Where do we read in Scripture of a holy tree? Incidentally, in my previous reply, I had also misread your post as saying "holly tree" - sorry!

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David Lamb said:

I agree that Satan does not have the power or knowledge to prophesy the future, and that there are some evil people working in most institutions. What I don't agree with is the idea that NASA as an organisation is especially evil or devilish.

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Well considering that over 400 thousand people worked for NASA at it peak . Dave I think most were everyday people going about their jobs . But in the upper echelons of the organisation Dave that may be a whole different story

jonojim1337 said:

Ok so explain how hot air particles travel upward.

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I remember from school science lessons that as gases, like air, get hotter, they become less dense, and so lighter than cooler gases. That is why hot air rises.

I want to be cautious in what I say since I am only going by impressions. Her preaching sounds like an echo of a corrupt strain that manifests itself in examples like Chic tracts or ( worse) Westboro Baptist expression. This strain seems to condemn any Christian ( Orthodox, Catholic, most Protestants) who would say ( for ex.) that the Lord wants us to give alms & pray ( Matthew 6:1-13) as “works based” salvation. It reads a chapter like Romans 5:1-24 in which the individual aspect of hope ( verses 2, 4, & 5) seems to be discarded and grace, faith & justification becomes like an entitlement. Any aspect of nuance in our relationship with God by Jesus Christ via the commandments ( Matthew 22:36-40), the golden rule ( Matthew 7:1-12), John 14:15-18 etc. is lost to some sense of self justification.

Apple Sky said:

Well Moses's staff was real enough & Aaron's, who knows what these were made from. I would imagine that it would have been made from the Holy Tree.

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That is all it is, just your imagination. For a start, the staves of Moses and Aaron were nothing to do with magic. We are simply not told in the bible what wood the staves were made from.

Kathleen30 said:

Well Dave to me as scripture states Satan certainly doesn’t has the power to foresee the future. He certainly not he able to inform about NASA and Albert Einstein in Luther’s time. But he certainly knows how to instigate people to do do his bidding from generation to generation . But NASA certainly had some bad asses working for them like Jack Parsons who stabilised rocket fuels and made rocketry more reliable . He was into everything wife swapping, sex orgies and very much involved with the occult the OTO. Alister Crowley and Rex Hubbard from memory who was the future founder of Scientology all knew each other. Einstein was a bad ass too : ) View attachment 374289 View attachment 374290

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I agree that Satan does not have the power or knowledge to prophesy the future, and that there are some evil people working in most institutions. What I don't agree with is the idea that NASA as an organisation is especially evil or devilish.