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Yarddog · 2025-12-09T15:42:41-0600

Servus said:
No one has proven the administration and military involved are guilty of anything either.

Well, we know that they have killed many people, including survivors, which is illegal. They were told by many military men and lawyers that hitting the boats may be illegal. Hopefully, we'll get a court ruling soon.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-09T15:42:24-0600

Seven years? I guess that's some experience, but nowhere as good as the 20 years that Trump's pardon czar put in for dealing in tons of Colombian cocaine.

Bradskii · 2025-12-09T15:41:46-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
So Marines in L.A. cannot summarily kill them because the terrorist is in the jurisdiction of law enforcement.

Ah, I see. If the drug runners are just outside territorial waters then you want them blown up. Summarily executed. But if they're just inside then you don't want them killed. You want them arrested and given due process.

Why don't you just say that you want them all to be killed? Why not come clean and say that? Why do you spend so much time dancing around this? Show some conviction for heaven's sake. Use any excuse you want: they are terrorists. You are at war. They are intentionally killing US citizens. They are trying to destroy your society. Trump wants them all killed.

Who cares whether any excuse is valid? As long as they can be used then you can say anything you want. You can even convince yourself that you're right.

Yarddog · 2025-12-09T15:37:35-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Servus said:

No one has proven the administration and military involved are guilty of anything either.

Click to expand...

Okay? Would you like to reread my question and try again? With emphasis on "after WW2."

Oh, it's a trick question. How many wars have been formally declared since WWII? I'll bet Congress declared them.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-09T15:34:14-0600

BCP1928 said:
I guess you didn't read it

I did. Eliminate criminals (like you really could) and those who won’t try to come how many does that leave? How many do you want to come here? 800 million?
400 million?

BCP1928 · 2025-12-09T15:31:57-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
It is unfortunate for the nominal/moderate Muslims.

But the polling would indicate that the more radical element of that cohort aren't "the fringe" as we've often been led to believe.

The public polling from Muslims in westernized countries, who are in favor of punishing cartoonists who poke fun at their prophet, establishing Sharia law as a parallel system, and the general attitudes toward women, gays, and freethinkers would indicate that for many of them, it wasn't escape, they were looking to emulate what they had, just with a better, more stable, economic backdrop.
(It's the same reason I'm not a fan of insular communities in general)

Once again, you are talking about culture, not economics and governance.

ThatRobGuy said:
Once you start seeing polling numbers on those topics that are north of 40%, "fringe" doesn't apply anymore.

One particular subset of Christians have been, the rest of have not. And it's pretty clear that's not a majority view, evidenced by the fact that Christianity (in a blanket categorization) has periods where they've had an 80% majority for spans of decades, which means they could've voted to amend the constitution and establish a "Christian Taliban" of sorts if that's what they really wanted.

45% of Americans Say U.S. Should Be a ‘Christian Nation’

But they hold differing opinions about what that phrase means, and two-thirds of U.S. adults say churches should keep out of politics.

www.pewresearch.org

Apple Sky · 2025-12-09T15:23:04-0600

Strong in Him said:
Your denial doesn't change the facts.

What the fact that we've never been to the moon & walked upon it.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-09T15:20:54-0600

Aldebaran said:
You said the moon was floating around doing its job as God intended.

Which it does.

Rescued One · 2025-12-09T15:19:14-0600

Delvianna said:
With the childbearing thing, theres FAR too many problems with the interpretation that unless you have children, you aren't saved. What about women who can't have kids? That is like saying God created them for the sole purpose to condemn them to hell. I know Calvinists agree with that stance, but then that is just an evil God in my opinion. So ultimately then, there is an issue when other scripture and dozens of other passages talk about the saving faith and grace of Jesus. That forms a contradiction. So just on surface level there are issues and it bugs me that people teach to accept Pauls 1 sentence and just toss out the entire new testament because then it doesn't apply.

I really like this explanation, so I'm going to post it with the Link that maybe it will edify you too Link

The reason why that makes the most sense is because during that time, women were not getting married or having children and instead, were leaders in the cult of Diana (Artemis). They were also promoting the lifestyle being a single woman (sound familiar?? *cough* today's 'women empowerment' *cough*) So Paul again, was addressing the issues for that particular place and culture and he's saying that if women reject that cult culture, that they would be saved from the deception that the cult was going on about and ultimately, be saved in a salvation sense "if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety".

Your false statements about Calvinists prove you don't know Calvinism.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-09T15:18:51-0600

Somebody asked Grok to grade the paper.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-09T15:16:03-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Did I miss where he named an illegal order from the President either his first term or this one?

He didn't. Mark Kelly didn't either.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-09T15:14:31-0600

Strong in Him said:
What "brood of vipers" and what way?

I'm not at all surprised that Flat Earthers behave this way - clutching at any straw available.

1 John 2:22

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-09T15:14:01-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Nor did John Calvin. All looked upon the heliocentric proposition with disdainView attachment 374247

Copernicus presented his theory to the pope as a way to explain certain certain celestial movements but not all. He admitted it was a flawed model.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-09T15:11:17-0600

Bradskii said:
So Marines in L.A. can summarily kill them. And come back an hour later to finish off any survivors.

So you still are not reading what I posted. What part about what I said about jurisdiction did you not understand. So Marines in L.A. cannot summarily kill them because the terrorist is in the jurisdiction of law enforcement. That is why you see the FBI, not the U.S. Marines kicking down doors of known terrorists in the United States. Is there another strawman you want to hit?

BCP1928 · 2025-12-09T15:10:02-0600

Servus said:
Some do indeed perfer swift action as opposed to a problem slowly grinding it's why though miles of bureaucracy and red tape.

Yes, a Congressional resolution is just miles and miles of bureaucracy and red tape. After all, look how long it took Roosevelt to get a declaration of war out of Congress in 1941. It took Johnson even longer to get the Gulf of Tonkin resolution--three whole days!!!

DaisyDay · 2025-12-09T15:09:03-0600

Factotum said:
@DaisyDay ...I feel very sad, if the truth is burdensome for you.
Stay strong, continue to resist any anti-America humans who berate the Trump DoD with their hypocrisies and doublestandard.

I'm deeply touched by your concern for my well-being. :love2:

You're a true humanitarian, sir. Be of good cheer: your "if" is false!

Shouldn't that be DoW now? Double standard is two words. It is so refreshing to interface with a serious person who is definitely not baiting and goading! :clap:

CLEEB · 2025-12-09T15:07:57-0600

zelosravioli said:
One objection I get, when dispelling the notion that we need some anointed 'authority' or such at every church meeting or bible study, is "You'll have HERESY and CHAOS if you just let the ignorant masses of people read for themselves!!"

Having led and participated in over 400 bible study meetings, maybe visiting over 100 different groups, in nearly every denomination. And of those 400, less than 10 times did it seem to be getting off doctrinally. And of those, only two, or three times, did it seem to be anything close to cultic or unbiblical. I've heard over a thousand odd takes on scripture when in a bible study group, but of those nothing really that couldn't be reasoned through to a correct or satisfactory agreement, generally. Generally there is someone in a group that has enough grasp of scripture, and pushes back (if I dont). But even if nothing is said, its hardly ever a life or death over doctrine issue. I had to let my own pastor make a mistake or two just last week in our mens bible study, you cant argue over every point, and these different takes are generally fairly slight.

I am an Evangelical theologically, theology is in my DNA, I strive to teach correct doctrine, and I am hyper dogmatic about my beliefs - Yet I enjoy, and really like to hear other people express their ideas and views of scripture (thats why I've heard so many different takes on scripture). And if it's my group, I want to know where their understanding is at, and what they are thinking about the subject. Still, I am just a disciple communing with other disciples. Gods Word is the Authority.

The best bible study I participated in was a theological debate style group where the only doctrine of agreement was that you agree that:
'The Bible is Gods Word, and that you had to make all your arguments from scripture'. Cultists bail almost immediately, and the rest of us get to hash out our thoughts with some really great conversations ...

So what I'm saying is: I believe the notion that - there will just be chaos and heresy - is a heresy in itself.
That argument created the rift of Clergy/Laity, the hierarchy and institutions, and the dark ages of christianity.
Let Gods Word , His Scriptures, be our Authority and let live.

Is it not true that all the chaos and heresy entered the church through these men who ran the show, lording it over everyone with no one to challenge them. Human ministry has always been the source of heresy, it certainly doesn’t come from GOD. Jeremiah 17:5 Psalm 188:8-9 Isaiah 2:22 Psalm 146:3 Romans 8:5-8 1 Corinthians 2:5 Philippians 3:3 I trust no man with my salvation, I will work it out with GOD in fear and trembling. Christ gave his life so that I can do this. Christ is my connection to GOD. All Christians have this ability.

Rescued One · 2025-12-09T15:07:04-0600

CLEEB said:
When it says that women are saved through child bearing I think it refers back to the promise in Genesis 3:15 . It was a woman who brought forth the man child. Not only are women saved but men also. It was women who were the the mothers of all the prophets and Apostles as well as all of GODS saints. The 5th commandment contains a promise , Ephesians 6:2-3 The woman is that delicate vessel which their husbands should love and cherish. It is family now on earth that becomes adopted into the family of GOD, brothers and sisters to our lord Jesus Christ.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-09T15:06:18-0600

BPPLEE said:
I guess you didn’t see post #28.

I guess you didn't read it.

Shane R · 2025-12-09T15:05:27-0600

RamiC said:
If you are still in Germany, find Black Forest Gateaux, and eat it.

I have been back in the US since Saturday.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-09T15:02:17-0600

BCP1928 said:
Not only is it unsustainable, it's a dumb idea to start with. You need to pay attention to what "liberals" here really want to do, instead of just making it up.

I guess you didn’t see post #28.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-09T15:01:26-0600

Sounds like someone with the requisite experience :oldthumbsup:

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-09T15:01:25-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Death panel ---> Death bots

Death bots with a financial incentive

Starting Jan. 1, traditional Medicare recipients in Washington state will face a new hurdle to get certain procedures covered — private AI companies that get paid based on how many claims they deny.

Washington is one of six states selected to take part in a federal pilot program called Wasteful and Inappropriate Service Reduction, which aims to reduce fraud and waste by requiring prior authorization for about a dozen outpatient procedures deemed “low-value services.”

AI companies will be paid a portion of the savings from claims they deny or, as the Wasteful and Inappropriate Service Reduction plan puts it, “compensated based on a share of averted expenditures.”

durangodawood · 2025-12-09T14:58:01-0600

7thKeeper said:
Yes, Congress used a AUMF declaration for Iraq instead of formally declaring war, but it was still authorised by Congress. But yeah, it's essentially to just avoid the scrutiny that comes with being officially at war with someone, as stupid as that sounds.

Yes and that weak "authorization" is still better than nothing.

Likewise, the President better get a specific authorization if we're going to do war on South American criminal organizations. Roiling it in to GWOT where the pres declares who the enemy du jour is at his sole discretion is the end of a critical constitutional limitation. Some people prefer that tho.

Rescued One · 2025-12-09T14:56:24-0600

Reluctant Theologian said:
As this thread is titled 'Not a lot of respect for men' I think it's wise to never cite this requirement for husbands from Ephesians 5 without also citing the requirement for wives from the same section: 'to submit to their husbands as to Christ' and 'to fear/reverence their husbands'.

And as husbands should love their wives even when their wives don't properly submit or fear/reverence them, in the same way the wives should still submit and fear/reverence their husbands even when they don't properly love them.

Of course I'm not talking about a situation where a husband literally beats his wife up, but these days the definition of 'abuse' gets stretched so much that any (verbal) correction or setting boundaries setting by a husband may already be construed as emotional abuse (this is not a joke).

Be blessed sisters .. !

I grew up with verbal abuse. I was judged by an atheist father. God did not tell him that all people without college educations are losers.

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