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Aristarkos · 2025-10-09T04:10:13-0500

Dan Perez said:
And you never read Rom 16:25. and 26 and you make me. AGOG. !!

Of course I read it, but I also read Phil. 1:10, did you? I know it's easy to believe that everything is the same, but it isn't.

I know the mystery in Rom. 16:25, 26 is denied by almost everyone, but what is it actually about? It can't be about the mystery hidden in God of Eph. 3:9 which says "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world (Gr. aions) hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"

Rom. 16:25 says "... and by the scriptures of the prophets ...", so it was in the Scriptures but under a veil, the mystery of Eph. 3:9 was hidden in God, nowhere to be found in Scripture until Paul received it's revelation.

When you read Romans it goes in chapter 5 back to the sin of Adam, it puts Adam against Christ. Note, not Eve, not Adam and Eve, but Adam alone. According to general believe, Eve must be the one who first sinned, she listened to Satan (the "serpent") — not Adam — and she plucked the apple — not Adam — from the forbidden tree and than gave it to Adam, but in Romans Adam and not Eve is mentioned. Why? We read by one man in Rom. 5:12 "... as by one man sin entered into the world ...", not one woman, not "one" woman and man, but one man, Adam. What happened with Adam — his sin — happened before Eve was even created, that is the mystery in 16:25, 26.

Aristarkos

Kathleen30 · 2025-10-09T03:52:00-0500

prodromos said:
There was only one mission where the space shuttle got close to the inner Van Allen Belt, for the installation of the Hubble Space Telescope, and it was only for a short time due to being an elliptical orbit around the earth, their apogee being around 600 miles from earth. I don't recall there being any issues, critical or otherwise, associated with their brief foray into the inner ring. Do you have any reputable sources saying otherwise or is this just a made up story?

Prodomos and for good reason because they were seeing stars not too critical at the time but they certainly didn’t hang to find out they moved to a lower orbit

Strong in Him · 2025-10-09T03:50:27-0500

Apple Sky said:
OK I repent, but this still doesn't stop my belief that no man has walked on the moon.

Of course it does!
Charles' public statement is "I walked on the moon .... but this is not as important as my walk with Jesus."
You said that that was a lie.
If you are repenting of that it means you have completely changed your mind and are rejecting your former statement that he was lying. Which means you now believe he is telling the truth - i.e he DID walk on the moon, just as you believed a few months ago.
(Unless you mean, "I am sorry that I publicly called him a liar, even though in my heart I know that he is one" - in which case, that's hypocrisy.)

A person cannot be mistaken about whether or not they applied for a space mission, did lots of training and psychological tests, spent months away from their families, flew to the moon and walked on it. Either they did, or they didn't.
If you believe his testimony, they you believe that he DID do all that, and also that he is telling the truth about having met Jesus and become a Christian.
If you don't believe his testimony, then he is either lying or deluded - in which case, he is lying about Jesus too.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-10-09T03:42:58-0500

“If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. (Deuteronomy 13:1-4 ESV)

This teaching is under the Old Covenant God had with his people Israel (Jews only). But much of it is taught to us again in the New Testament under the New Covenant God has with his people Israel (Jew and Gentile by faith in Jesus Christ), the body of Christ. And what is repeated for us under the New Covenant, we are to apply to our lives in obedience to our Lord.

Now under the New Covenant we are taught that in the last days, which I believe began with the birth of Christ, there will be people of faith in Jesus Christ who are filled with the Spirit of God (all who believe in Christ have the Spirit) who will prophesy, see visions, and dream dreams. And to prophesy is to speak God’s messages to the people. So prophecy is not always (or primarily) predicting the future. So, we should not discount prophecy, dreams, and visions, but we should test everything against the New Testament Scriptures to make certain they are not against the truth.

“Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.” (1 Thessalonians 5:19-22 ESV)

[Acts 2:12-18; Joel 2:28-29; Matthew 7:15-23; Matthew 24:11-14; John 10:1-15; Romans 16:17-19; 2 Corinthians 11:3,13-15; Ephesians 4:11-16; Philippians 3:2; 2 Peter 2:1-22; 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22; 1 Timothy 1:3-7; 1 Timothy 6:3-10; 2 Timothy 3:1-9; 1 John 4:1-6; Jude 1:1-25]

For we do have people among us today who profess faith in Jesus Christ and who call themselves prophets and/or teachers, some of whom claim that God speaks to them through dreams or visions, whose words are against the teachings of Christ and of his New Testament apostles. And some of them are indeed leading the people to follow after false gods of man who are lying to the people about what the Scriptures teach. And many people are blindly following them. And they are teaching that we do not have to obey God and his commands and that we can keep sinning and still have life in Christ.

But if we are of genuine biblical faith in Jesus Christ, we should be those who love the Lord our God with all our heart and with all our soul, and so we want to obey our Lord and his commands. We want to do what pleases God and to not live to please the sinful desires of the flesh. Yes, obedience to God and to his commands is required of us in the New Testament under the New Covenant God has with his people who believe in Jesus Christ. We are not under the Old Covenant liturgical and ceremonial laws, but we have to obey God’s teachings to us under the New Covenant God has with us.

For, if sin continues to be our practice, and not obedience to God, according to the Scriptures we do not know God, we are not in fellowship with Christ, and we do not have eternal life with God. So, we need to take this to heart.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

“But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.” (Deuteronomy 13:5 ESV)

But under the New Covenant we don’t have all the laws about putting people to death that they had under the Old Covenant. We are not to kill anyone, but we are to leave all retribution to the wrath of God. Now we, as the body of Christ, though, are to exercise church discipline on those within the church who are living in sin and who refuse to repent and who are impacting and influencing the rest of the body of Christ to follow suit (1 Corinthians 5 as an example). And we are not to put up with false teaching (2 Corinthians 11:1-4), but we are to be followers of the truth who expose the lies.

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1

As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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jonojim1337 · 2025-10-09T03:39:58-0500

Jerry N. said:
There is good reason for you to think that way, but it is quite simple. Noah knew God and all of the things his ancestors passed down to him. His sons then carried that information as they spread across the known world. As normal with such things, the stories were corrupted, which increased after the Tower of Babel, but some things remained. You can find similarities in all myths and religions, because they all had the same original source. The story of the flood is the most obvious example. If you want to look at the results of many studies, you can find comparisons of Roman, Greek, Egyptian, Hindu, and Native American mythology on the Internet.

I don’t think it’s a matter of corruption, but a matter of the imperial family using different images to convey the same thing, namely the history of their lineage, and in particular, God being born among them.

Kathleen30 · 2025-10-09T03:37:54-0500

prodromos said:
The astronauts were chosen for their ability to stay cool and respond calmly and rationally in potentially life threatening situations. It wasn't like they could pull over into a service station if anything went wrong. They weren't chosen for their people skills

You have been misled. Lead is used as shielding for x-rays. The Van Allen Belts are made up of charged particles, not x-rays.

They had more than enough protection for the short time they passed through the thinnest parts of the belt.

No, it is simply fear mongering from the conspiracists.

Prodomos no one doubts the ability of the astronauts in their profession . Yet that doesn’t change the reality of how they acted with the media. For someone who had just conquered the moon they should have been over the moon with joy. Instead as I said they were like death warmed up and rather subdued and very guarded with their words. Also there was question asked by a reporter how did they view the stars. Neil Armstrong states that he didn’t really see any and then Michael Collin’s jumps in and says I can’t remember seeing any stars. Michael was never on the moon. But he should have seen the glory of the universe and lots of stars whilst orbiting as pilot more so on the dark side of the moon of which he would have orbited around the moon well over a good 10 times and probably more. That’s how I see it and find it rather odd. And you may not find it so. And that’s fine.

Prodomos you mention something about being wrong ? And yes lead is certainly is used on X-rays for protection but it was also used for protection on the Apollo 11 too. The Apollo 11’s Capsule aluminium shielding amounted to a wall of lead about 7 millimeters thick so it was certainly part of Apollo 11’s protection . Not that it would have protected them as you say from the gamma rays or neutrons of the Van Allen Belt. And certainly not also by choosing the quickest way through the Van Ellen belt, that would mot have protected them one bit either. You may say that lived to tell the tale. That is of course if they ever went.

Then You write my of my comment ( of food for thought ) you write ( No its simply fear mongering from conspiracists ? Prodomos I would say to that when reading through the histories of our world. That conspiracy’s happen all the time and probably everyday. Just look through our history and you’ll find plenty. Actually the words conspiracy theory was hijacked by the CIA and being weaponised and used by them with negative connotations in a way to destroy anyone who didn’t conform to the Warren commission at the time. And it hasn’t stopped since . As conspiracy theorists continue to be slandered as tinfoil mad hatters until this very day. That’s aIl me say on the matter

jonojim1337 · 2025-10-09T03:37:19-0500

linux.poet said:
No offense taken, but I’m actually your sister in Christ. I need to edit my signature again, as I noticed the line that says as much is being cut off.

Ok!

It’s unusual for women to be interested in Linux

Strong in Him · 2025-10-09T03:29:11-0500

keras said:
Sins are only forgiven for those who truly repent and change their ways.
If they sin again, God may not forgive again.

But he does, 1 John 1:9.
Jesus told us to forgive 70x7. It would be hypocritical of him to demand that we do something which he wasn't prepared/able to do himself.

keras said:
Persecution and tribulations are ongoing. The Day of the Lords fiery wrath is a once only event.

You don't seem to understand that it is your interpretation that links 1 Peter 4:12 to "the day of the Lord" - which, by the way, is an OT concept.

keras said:
I have warned many times about this, now very soon to happen; sudden and shocking worldwide disaster,

It's your interpretation only that it will happen soon.
You've been wrong once already.

keras said:
but people seem unable to comprehend it.

The OT "day of the Lord" is not the same as the NT teaching about Jesus' return.

In the OT, The Day of the Lord was an event where God would act, punish all of Israel's enemies with fire and reward Israel, who were God's people. The Messiah would come, bringing the Kingdom of God.
Christians believe, and teach, that the Messiah has already come, that the Kingdom of God is here, now - though not fully. Jesus will return one day as King, definitely. But it may not be in the way that the Jews would have expected.

I am quite sure that people understand that Jesus will return - they no doubt disagree with your interpretation of when/how that will happen.

keras said:
Only in a Spiritual way.

What did you think I meant?
God is Spirit.

keras said:
Romans 9:24-27 does tell us where the faithful children of God will live. In the very same place as ancient Israe was exiled from. Hosea 1:10-11

But I didn't mention that.
I quoted verses to show that we are God's children if we believe in Jesus. We have this now; it's not something that happens in the future after we die.
You then started talking about where God's children will live - which is not relevant to what I said.

keras said:
If you wish to continue this conversation, do not make stupid remarks.

That remark was a comment on what you said.
If God blots people's names out of the book of life when they sin how do you account for the fact that David sinned, but repented and was called a man after God's own heart? He sinned more than once.
If God blots people's names out of the book of life when they sin, Peter's name mustn't be in there - unless God wrote it in again afterwards, then blotted it out again when Peter was accused of hypocrisy.
If a Christian has their name removed from the Book of Life the first time that they sin after conversion, none of us would be here. It would also have been wrong of Jesus to tell us to forgive 70 x 7. Why should we, if God himself is unable to?

JohnClay · 2025-10-09T03:10:54-0500

Genesis just talks about Adam and Eve facing death as a punishment for their sin. I was wondering what would have happened after that? Would they be resurrected and judged by Jesus? If they are saved I wonder what about Cain? Thanks.

timechangers · 2025-10-09T03:08:23-0500

Delvianna said:
I understand what you mean. I don't have anyone to bible study with either really because people aren't interested. They watch youtube sermons and they act like they're well versed in scripture and when you correct them, they get bent out of shape about it. It's hard to always be the one reaching out, or interested in others and without that return, it makes you want to walk away. But listen, don't chase after people who are clearly not interested. You are well within your right to not burn yourself out on others and not get poured into too. You can't pour out to them from an empty glass. Do what you can, but also cut yourself some slack. Reach out, be there for them as we are called to be, but only when you feel you are emotionally able to and in the mean time, pray that God sends you someone that you can connect with on a spiritual level also.

Have you tried other churches in your area? Maybe you might meet someone somewhere else.

I live in a small town of around 1,000 people and I go to the same church that I was born into as a baby. If I left it would be really hard. My wife and kids go to the church also. I will pray for the Lord to send someone in my life that wants to have Bible study with me. I need to maybe just focus on going to church to worship and that way when people seem to look through me without saying or asking anything about me it won't bother me as much.

Delvianna said:
I understand what you mean. I don't have anyone to bible study with either really because people aren't interested. They watch youtube sermons and they act like they're well versed in scripture and when you correct them, they get bent out of shape about it. It's hard to always be the one reaching out, or interested in others and without that return, it makes you want to walk away. But listen, don't chase after people who are clearly not interested. You are well within your right to not burn yourself out on others and not get poured into too. You can't pour out to them from an empty glass. Do what you can, but also cut yourself some slack. Reach out, be there for them as we are called to be, but only when you feel you are emotionally able to and in the mean time, pray that God sends you someone that you can connect with on a spiritual level also.

Have you tried other churches in your area? Maybe you might meet someone somewhere else.

I haven't tried other churches since it is the same church I have attended my whole 51 years of my life. It is a small town of about 1,000 people. My wife and kids attend the church also and I would feel bad pulling my kids from junior high/high school Sunday school. I appreciate your thoughts. I think moving forward I will lower my expectations. I will not expect people to pray for me or follow up with me on personal things. I will show love but focus more on worship than on friendships. I will pray for someone who will want to pray for me and have Bible study with me(that could be from another church or online). Thanks for replying to my thread. I greatly appreciate that.

keras · 2025-10-09T02:56:50-0500

Strong in Him said:
Where did I say that we do?

Sins are only forgiven for those who truly repent and change their ways.
If they sin again, God may not forgive again.

Strong in Him said:
Isn't it?

Persecution and tribulations are ongoing. The Day of the Lords fiery wrath is a once only event.
I have warned many times about this, now very soon to happen; sudden and shocking worldwide disaster, Prophesied in over 100 scriptures, but people seem unable to comprehend it.
Isaiah 66:15-17 is one of the best Prophesies about it,- Be assured- it will happen and we must stand firm in our faith and trust in the Lords protection thru it. THEN, as Isaiah 66:18-21 tells us, we will gather into all of the Holy Land to prepare for the glorious Return of Jesus

Strong in Him said:
It's your interpretation that, "the fiery ordeal that HAS come upon you" is the same as "the heavens and earth are reserved for fire."
The word "fire" is in both verses; that does not make them the same event.

A lot of Prophecy is in past tense, written in that way, as confirmation of its certain fulfilment. Obvious in this case, as we have yet to experience it.
As I said; there are over 100 Prophesies that mention this Day of disaster and 70 specifically mention fire as the cause of it.

Strong in Him said:
Which bit is "in the realms of fantasy" - the Holy Spirit changing us into Jesus' image, 2 Corinthians 3:18, or the Holy Spirit confirming to us that we are children of God, Romans 8:16?

Only in a Spiritual way.

Strong in Him said:
I didn't say anything about where God's children live

Romans 9:24-27 does tell us where the faithful children of God will live. In the very same place as ancient Israe was exiled from. Hosea 1:10-11

Strong in Him said:
In that case you must believe that God is mistaken.

If you wish to continue this conversation, do not make stupid remarks.

The issue is: -Is your name Written in the Book of Life? My belief is that our names are in the BoL at birth. It can be erased, with eternal consequences.

Strong in Him said:
God does not send people to the lake of fire/hell.

Seems that He does; Revelation 19:20
However; the fate of Gods enemies is to be forgotten and remembered no more.

David Lamb · 2025-10-09T02:52:22-0500

GoldenKingGaze said:
I suppose to see the risen Christ you'd have to die and be resuscitated. Otherwise Jesus's Spirit can certainly manifest and be with you.

Early church fathers Irenaeus and Tertullian had an interpretation of apostolic succession.

The greater revelation of God of those who saw and heard Him in close fellowship, the 12 apostles is a firm foundation we can't match. Paul gives us hope of ability to serve despite a lack of repute or revelation of God. We can all have a revelation of God, some of us today have been taken up into the Heavenlies like Gary Oates.

Some have a remarkable impression of God in them, some who seek His hand and face, panim, at home and church, and God has filled them deeply. From King David, deep calls unto deep. And Jesus sent the Holy Spirit and He is here with us, and can reveal Himself to us in degrees.

Ephesians 4 requires apostles until Christ returns, and because of deception and wolves in rebellion to the truth, we need them as the verses say.
So there was Paul, Barnabas, Andronicus and Junias...
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

From ChatGPT:
Good question — the Biblical requirements for an apostle depend on whether we’re talking about the original Twelve Apostles, Paul, or later church-appointed messengers (the word “apostle” just means “one who is sent”). But Scripture does outline some clear qualifications, especially in the early Church.
Let’s go through them carefully:

1. For the Original Twelve Apostles
After Judas died, the remaining eleven chose a replacement — Matthias — and the Book of Acts records the qualifications clearly:

So the original apostolic requirements were:

Personal companionship with Jesus during His earthly ministry (from John’s baptism onward).

Eyewitness of the resurrection — literally having seen the risen Christ.

Chosen by God (Acts 1:24–26 shows the apostles prayed for divine choice).

2. For Paul (the “Apostle to the Gentiles”)
Paul was an exception to the “followed Jesus from the beginning” rule, but even he insisted on seeing the risen Christ and being directly commissioned by Him:

Paul met Jesus in a post-resurrection appearance (Acts 9) and was specifically sent (apostellō) by Him.
Paul’s apostolic credentials:

Personally encountered the risen Christ.

Commissioned directly by Jesus (not self-appointed).

Confirmed by miraculous signs and the Holy Spirit (2 Cor 12:12).

Produced spiritual fruit and doctrine consistent with Christ’s gospel (Gal 1:11–12).

3. For Later “Apostles” (Missionary Sense)
In the New Testament, others are sometimes called apostoloi (messengers), though not part of the Twelve:

Barnabas (Acts 14:14)

Andronicus and Junia (Romans 16:7)

In this broader sense, an apostle was:

Sent out by the church or the Spirit (Acts 13:2–3)

Carrying the gospel with divine authority

Endorsed by the fruits of ministry and godly character

4. Summary Table

Requirement Scriptural Basis Applies to
Witness of Jesus’ resurrection Acts 1:22; 1 Cor 9:1 The Twelve, Paul
Personally chosen by Christ Luke 6:13; Acts 1:24; Gal 1:1 The Twelve, Paul
Empowered by the Holy Spirit Acts 2:1–4; 2 Cor 12:12 All apostles
Sound doctrine and fruit Gal 1:8–9; 2 Cor 12:12 All apostles
Blameless conduct and humility 1 Thess 2:3–6; 2 Cor 10–12 All apostles
Sent to preach or establish churches Acts 13:2–3; Rom 15:19–20 Broader apostleship

5. Conclusion
In Biblical terms, to be a true apostle one must:

Be personally called and sent by Christ,

Have seen the risen Lord,

Demonstrate signs, teaching, and fruits authenticating divine commission.

After the first generation, the apostolic office ceased in that original sense (since no one afterward could meet those eyewitness criteria). Later Christian leaders could be apostolic in mission and doctrine, but not in authority or revelation equal to the Twelve and Paul.

Would you like me to show how early Church Fathers (like Irenaeus or Tertullian) interpreted apostolic succession next?

Thanks for the reply, and for your offer to show me what the church fathers said about apostolic succession, which I appreciate, but I will rely on the Scriptures. Thanks again.

David Lamb · 2025-10-09T02:48:40-0500

RileyG said:
John chapter 2

But as I wrote in Post 6: "That is not an intercession. She would have had to have said something like, "Please give them some wine," for it to have been an intercession."

eclipsenow · 2025-10-09T02:47:20-0500

Always in His Presence said:
it could have happened in November when it was originally scheduled and agreed upon -

it is scheduled for THIS November to be in committee. Schumer is using it as an excuse.

I thought MAGA had all layers of government? How is this shutdown even possible - and why can't MAGA do something about it?

David Lamb · 2025-10-09T02:43:22-0500

retired firefighter said:
i so glad you read Hebrew and Greek , i can't so i'll stick with the KJV

Sorry, I don't read Hebrew or Greek. Where did you get that idea? I mainly use the NKJV.

lucypevensie · 2025-10-09T02:41:26-0500

Hockey stick

Always in His Presence · 2025-10-09T02:30:40-0500

Fantine said:
There is no "Schumer shutdown."

Sure is manufacture by Schumer
Led by Schumer
Caused by Schumer

It was last March that he voted for the same bipartisan cr he voted against

Always in His Presence · 2025-10-09T02:27:56-0500

A2SG said:
Wait, wait.... are you claiming that the GOP agreed to extend the ACA subsidies last November, well before the so-called Big Beautiful Bill passed? Cool. Could you please provide documentation on that, so I can save it and frame it for posterity?

-- A2SG, unless you meant something else...your post wasn't exactly clear.....

it could have happened in November when it was originally scheduled and agreed upon -

it is scheduled for THIS November to be in committee. Schumer is using it as an excuse.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-10-09T02:14:58-0500

I literally just want better healthcare, education, infrastructure and less shootings.

Larniavc · 2025-10-09T02:14:04-0500

o_mlly said:
You confuse morality as being equivalent to legality.

And that law was there because people thought it was moral.

Strong in Him · 2025-10-09T02:12:43-0500

d taylor said:
-A person can believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life without repenting of sin/sins. Repenting has noting to do with believing in Jesus

So a non Christian can fully accept who Jesus was, that he came to earth to die for our sins and reconcile us to God, that he told people to repent, (Mark 1:15, Luke 13:5) and that he said his blood was for the forgiveness of sins - but they don't need to repent of those sins?

d taylor said:
You believe people went to the moon, did you have to repent to believe this.

Did I have to repent of what?

No, I accepted that what I saw on television was a fact. There was nothing to repent, or change my mind, about - men couldn't get to, and walk on, the moon, and then they could.

d taylor said:
Believing is simply being convinced something is true.

People can be totally certain that Jesus existed, lived, taught and died, without really and fully accepting the fact that God loves them, personally.
Christians can be intellectually convinced that the Holy Spirit exists and yet have not asked to be filled with/baptized in the Spirit so that he totally transforms their lives. The book, "9.00 in the morning" describes this; I think Colin Urquhart wrote about it too.
In Acts 19 there were Christians who believed in Jesus but "had not even heard" that there was a Holy Spirit.

The NT often has the word "know"; John said he was writing so that people would know.
The Hebrew word for "know" meant, "knowing in such a way that it transforms your life". It wasn't just intellectually accepting, it was doing something about it. I have recently read a book in which the author says the same thing; if the information you have accepted does not change your life, if you don't put it into practice - you don't know it. How many people say the Lord's Prayer but do not know God as their loving, perfect heavenly Father?

So how can a non Christian know that Jesus died for their sins and that if they accept that they are reconciled to God - yet not have to repent of their sins?

Larniavc · 2025-10-09T02:12:24-0500

o_mlly said:
Ahh, there's the rub. What you mean based on your posts is, "I'm still left with trying to interpret it". Even in the act of rape, you need interpretation!

Is an apology forthcoming?

I ask again, are atheists who claim that even the morality of rape is in need of interpretation think that no absolute "rules exist at all". If so then by your insight that makes them closet sociopaths.

I would think rape is as close to a moral absolute is you can get. But as there have been people who disagree we cannot say that it is truly absolute.

Larniavc · 2025-10-09T02:09:23-0500

zippy2006 said:
But if there is a crime of rape between husband and wife then it would be absolute? Isn't that what you are saying?

No. The fact that rape was seen as allowed at some point means that moral vary over time and are not absolute.

Requirement	Scriptural Basis	Applies to
Witness of Jesus’ resurrection	Acts 1:22; 1 Cor 9:1	The Twelve, Paul
Personally chosen by Christ	Luke 6:13; Acts 1:24; Gal 1:1	The Twelve, Paul
Empowered by the Holy Spirit	Acts 2:1–4; 2 Cor 12:12	All apostles
Sound doctrine and fruit	Gal 1:8–9; 2 Cor 12:12	All apostles
Blameless conduct and humility	1 Thess 2:3–6; 2 Cor 10–12	All apostles
Sent to preach or establish churches	Acts 13:2–3; Rom 15:19–20	Broader apostleship

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1. For the Original Twelve Apostles​

2. For Paul (the “Apostle to the Gentiles”)​

3. For Later “Apostles” (Missionary Sense)​

4. Summary Table​

5. Conclusion​

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1. For the Original Twelve Apostles

2. For Paul (the “Apostle to the Gentiles”)

3. For Later “Apostles” (Missionary Sense)

4. Summary Table

5. Conclusion