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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

And yet Biden succeeded in the job where Trump has failed. That's what eats at Trump, now. He'll never get over it. Even republican historians put Biden far above Trump. And by now, Trump has declined too far to hope for a recovery.

He succeeded in flooding the country with illegal immigrants
06/26/2024 10:36 AM EDT

The number of migrants illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border has plummeted 40 percent since President Joe Biden clamped down on asylum earlier this month, administration officials said Wednesday.

Daily crossings have fallen below 2,400. That’s the lowest level since Jan. 17, 2021, right before the president took office. But encounters still remain too high for the president’s newly implemented restrictions to be lifted: Migrants will continue to be barred from seeking asylum in between ports of entry until average border crossings have fallen below 1,500 for seven consecutive days.


C'mon.

and out of control inflation.
According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for food are 2.45% higher in 2025 versus 2024 (a $0.49 difference in value).
Between 2024 and 2025: Food experienced an average inflation rate of 2.45% per year. This rate of change indicates significant inflation.


Since early 2025, tariffs have returned to the center of U.S. trade policy debates. In this blog post, we take a close look at how these developments have started to show up in consumer prices—particularly in the personal consumption expenditures (PCE) price index, the Federal Reserve’s preferred inflation measure.

While headline PCE inflation has increased only modestly in recent months, the categories of goods most exposed to international trade tell a different story. In the U.S., prices for durable goods—such as vehicles, electronics and furniture—have increased noticeably. These price movements align with the timing of tariff hikes earlier this year. The figure below shows this divergence, plotting the evolution of the headline PCE price index and durable goods PCE price index, in percent deviations from January 2024, relative to their linear trends estimated using data for 2024.


This is another reason why even republican historians rate Biden as a much better president than Trump.
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The two witnesses' activity chart

There ares no massive hailstones (Revelation 16:18-21) accompanying the Revelation 11 earthquake.
But there could be and Rev 16:21 tells us there will be.
Every detail is not given in most Prophesies, we must gather all the information and make a coherent picture.
1. The world will not be in mood to exchange presents over the death of the two witnesses. A third of mankind will have just been killed by the sixth trumpet second woe of Revelation 9. And also the world will be suffering under the effects of the vials of God's wrath poured out.
The ungodly follower's of the 'beast' are still alive despite the punishments of the Trumpets and Bowls. Proved by Revelation 16:1-10
They will celebrate the killing of the 2 Witnesses.
Then after 3 1/2 days, Jesus will Return and call them up to Him, along with all the faithful peoples. Matthew 24:30-31
No, the abomination of desolation statue image is not going to be allowed to continue to stand on the temple mount for 30 or 75 days after Jesus Returns.
I did not say it would be.
It will be gone, along with the armies at Armageddon, the 'beast and the FP and all who reject Christianity, when Jesus Returns.

I know your beliefs are 'set in concrete'. There are many ways to break concrete, but your beliefs are locked in; Isaiah 29:9-12, and only as things unfold will those who have chosen to believe in false theories, finally know the truths. To their eternal regret and shame.
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Finnish Orthodox Church Endorses LGBT And Gender Rights

Seems like the Finnish government is telling the church what it can and can't do.

I don't know of a church that mistreats anyone of the lgbtq. What churches do is call out the sin, they don't mistreat the people, or treat them any differently in some cases treat them better than other members who are not lgbtq.
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Finnish Orthodox Church Endorses LGBT And Gender Rights

Does Finnish laws require that they "fall in-line" with certain precepts in order to maintain certain tax benefits or receive certain grants?

That's an honest question, I'm not familiar with those kinds of legal frameworks for Finland.

I know for Denmark, they passed a law in 2012 that said that a State church (any that carry the label of Church of Denmark) isn't allowed to opt out of performing Same Sex marriages, and if a particular clergymen refuses, the local bishop has to appoint a replacement.

But wasn't sure if all of the nordic countries were the same in that regard.
I don’t know and I always forget that state churches in Europe often receive government subsidies. As I was typing this a quick AI search told me the Finnish Orthodox Church ( as does the Lutheran) receives subsidies. I do know the Orthodox Church is small in Finland & believe in the past it has had to face pressure from Protestants and an unfair stigma of being seen as “Russian.”

I pray the Finland Church can find a way to separate from the increasingly anti Christian secular state and proclaim the Gospel. Even if the Church separates from the secular state, I guess the state would try to tax it to death.
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Trump Says US Will Permanently Pause Migration From 'Third World Countries'

Permanently Pause? Just say S T O P migration from third world countries!

Migration? Am I mistaken, do migrating people come to the country legally? Or is he just referring to those who enter illegally? I think not!

The one who is sitting in the office of president in the present time doesn't care about less fortunate people unless he has a use for them.

And he speaks of the illegals who come here committing crime, but he is going to prison systems have more US citizens manually illegals, and the number is overwhelmingly higher. But people will ignore facts to achieve what they want.BOP Statistics: Inmate Citizenship BOP Statistics: Inmate Citizenship

Is it hospital care? US citizens are greater numbers than illegals, can't find the numbers. But if a state is spending a few million on hospital care for illegals think of what they're spending on citizens?
Noncitizens’ Access to Health Care | Congress.gov | Library of Congress https://share.google/ULaI0ymWW6zDoYpvq

Government aid program? Again US citizens at the top of the list and many government aid programs illegals cannot received.

I guess farmers will start complaining again they will not have anyone to work their Crops. It's the dirty jobs, the menial jobs, that US citizens don't want and the majority will not do.

The Bible tells people to help each other, be kind to the stranger, help those in need but if you a third world country the current US president and his supporters don't want to help anyone less fortunate than them, of course unless it's family or friends.
I doubt Trump has any family (that he would acknowledge) or friends less fortunate.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

And yet he succeeded in the job where Trump has failed. That's what eats at Trump, now. He'll never get over it. Even republican historians put Biden far above Trump. And by now, Trump has declined too far to hope for a recovery.
He succeeded in flooding the country with illegal immigrants and out of control inflation.
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Jesus Christ and Santa Claus

I got on YouTube today, and I clicked on a link to a particular church’s Sunday gathering, and I was immediately struck in my spirit by the shirt the pastor was wearing in front of his congregation. The shirt read: “The Boys Are Back in Town!” And underneath that was, “Merry Christmas!” And the caricature was of Jesus Christ and Santa Claus together on a sleigh riding through the air. Santa was in front, and Jesus Christ was pictured further back and partially behind him. Both were laughing. And the caricature of Jesus had his arms out at the side, and Santa’s arms were lifted upward.

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And I was appalled! What blasphemy! It upset me to the core! How could a “man of God” who pastors a church congregation wear such a shirt? And then I recalled a writing the Lord had given me originally in 2018 titled “Christ’s Dismissal,” which I will share parts of here with some additional comments added. For it really helps to explain why I was so appalled at this pastor’s shirt he was wearing in front of his congregation as he prayed and as he preached his sermon to the people.

Christ’s Dismissal

Christmas, as it has come to be known, is largely considered to be a Christian celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ, God the Son. But there is another (false) god that is celebrated on Christmas Day, and his name is Santa. So, what does the word “Christmas” literally mean? Well, the first part of the word is Christ, meaning the Anointed One, meaning Jesus Christ, the Son of God (See: Isaiah 61:1-3; Luke 4:18-19).

But, what about the word “mas”? What does that mean? Well, it is generally held that the word “mas” means “dismissal.” Yet, whether you agree with that or not, it doesn’t really matter, for I believe we shall see here, by the evidence itself, that indeed that is what is intended.

Satan and His Angels

From what I have been taught, and from what I understand, Satan used to be an angel in heaven, but he wanted to be God, and so he rebelled against God along with about a third of the angels, and so God cast them down to the earth (Isaiah 14:12-14; Luke 10:18; Hebrews 12:22; Revelation 9:1; Revelation 12:3-9).

“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’” Isaiah 14:12-14

Now, let’s think about Santa Claus for a moment. Where does he live? The North Pole (“on the farthest sides of the north”). How does he deliver gifts to children all over the world in a single night? He rides on a reindeer-driven sleigh up in the sky, on the heights, or “above the heights of the clouds.” And on the pastor’s shirt today, Santa was pictured in a sleigh above the stars of God in a position next to, but in front of (superior to) Jesus Christ.

And what attributes is this false god Santa given? He is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, meaning he is present in all places at all times, he is all-knowing, all-seeing, and he is all-powerful. And what this means is that he has been given the attributes of Almighty God, because he, Santa (Satan), wants to be God. And the shirt pictured him in a position as though he is God, like God is Father, then Son, then Holy Spirit, in that order.

Don’t believe me? Well, Santa knows when every child across the world is sleeping and when they are awake. He knows when they have been good or bad, too. He is also able to be in multiple department stores all across the world, all at the same time, holding children on his lap, promising them presents they will most likely never receive. And he is able to magically deliver gifts to every child on the globe – that is the ones who have been good, so he says – and in a single night, too. So, he must be able to see all, know all, and be everywhere all at the same time, and be all-powerful, too.

The Christmas Deception

What is the central focus of the celebration of Christmas, in reality? Is it not the buying of gifts, many of which people do not need, and many of which those buying them cannot afford? And is it not about Christmas trees and decorations. And, then there is all the baking of cookies, and the shopping, and the Christmas cards, and the new clothes and shoes and hats, and all the parties and games, and for some, raunchy Christmas movies, too.

So, what does any of that have to do with Jesus? Well, they say that Jesus was given gifts when he was born and thus we give each other gifts when we celebrate his birthday. But does that even make sense? Some will say Jesus was our gift and thus we give each other gifts, but that doesn’t make sense, either. For the gift of Jesus is the gift of salvation from sin, so the gift we should give each other is the message of how we can all be forgiven our sins and be delivered from our bondage, and now walk in Christ’s holiness.

And, when we celebrate each other’s birthdays, who gets the gifts? The person with the birthday, right? So, if we are truly celebrating Jesus Christ, then should he not be the one to receive our gifts? And what gift does he want from us? He wants are all on the altar of sacrifice laid, living holy lives, pleasing to him, no longer conformed to the ways of this sinful world, but transformed in the renewing of our minds away from what is sinful to walking in Christ’s righteousness and holiness, in his power and strength.

Also, when we celebrate each other’s birthdays, does everyone in the room, besides the one with the birthday, all congregate together and give each other gifts, and then pass around pictures of what we looked like when we were helpless babies, while the one having the birthday gets ignored? But that is what people do, isn’t it, when they picture Jesus as a helpless baby in a manger, and they put a manger scene somewhere in their houses, and then they all gather together and give each other presents and play games and eat lots of food and watch movies, too? (If that is what you do.)

Ok, so let’s go back to Santa, for he plays a huge role in this deception, too. For, while Jesus Christ is pictured as a helpless baby in a manger doing nothing but just lying there, Santa comes on the scene in all his glory. And he promises to bring gifts to children and to ride through the sky on a sleigh and to deliver gifts across the globe on a single night. And he asks children across the world to write him letters (like prayers) requesting what they want from him. And, children, who have long awaited his return, are anxiously anticipating his soon arrival (like Jesus’ return one day).

So, who has the hearts of children on Christmas? Jesus Christ? Or Santa? And, who wanted to be God? And, who masquerades himself as an angel of light? Santa (Satan). And, what has the hearts of most adults during the Christmas holidays? Shopping, presents, parties, food, games, movies, etc.

Know the Truth

The whole point of Christmas, from the point of its creators, is to dismiss Jesus Christ in favor of Santa, a false god, who is truly Satan who wanted to be God. It is to dismiss Jesus Christ in favor of gifts, commercialism, greed, worldliness, and idolatry. Jesus is pictured as a helpless baby in a manger on purpose, while Santa, a false god, is given the attributes of Almighty God, and he steals the hearts of children away from God; away from Jesus Christ.

So, don’t listen to these thieves and robbers who want to pull us and our children away from pure devotion to Jesus Christ. Don’t give your hearts away to false gods and idolatry and commercialism and to ignoring Jesus.

If truly you want to celebrate Jesus Christ, then do it the way Jesus says. He says to remember him by remembering his blood that was shed on the cross for our sins, and by remembering his body which was given for us in his death so we can die to sin and live to righteousness. And this remembering of him is not a mere formality or a mere ritual we go through, either.

For, when we remember him and what he did for us, we examine our own hearts to make certain that we are worthy to partake in his blood and his body via confession of sin, in true repentance, and in committing our lives to our Lord and to his service. For, what he wants from us are not our festivals and our parties, which he largely hates, in reality. But what he wants is our all on the altar of sacrifice laid, our hearts, thus, under God’s control.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Oh, to be like Thee! blessèd Redeemer,
This is my constant longing and prayer;
Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

Oh, to be like Thee! Oh, to be like Thee,
Blessèd Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.

Lyrics by Thomas O. Chisholm, 1897
Music by W. J. Kirkpatrick, 1897


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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

This thread is about ancient civilizations and their physical remains. It is not about human perception of sound. That's why you list of articles was irrelevant.
But this is your belief that human perception or experience of sound is not related to the ancient ways of knowledge. I literally just gave you evidence that acoustics was an integral part of the altering of mind states. We know the ancients tpoyed with acoustics. So how is this irrelevant exactly.
Peer review is not needed to recognize material that is off topic.
Ok if thats the case then what is it you are using. Your belief.
No, no, no. You have provided a plethora of links to crank archeology sites, videos, etc. Nothing explaining *what* that "melting" is is provided or connected to any "evidence" other than things that "look melted". Even if they were ultimately correct, they are at speculation stage. They have not even formed a hypothesis of the mechanism.
Nevertheless we have evidence of stone softening, weakening and melting. Certainly not a method the orthodoxy mentions. So we have evidence of a method that involves some advanced knowledge above the primitive ways of pounding and chiseling.

Plus the links did provide evidence of the possible methods used. Have you even researched this.
Then they are not on topic for this sub form, unless you'd like to submit them to scientific scrutiny...
What sub forum. Stop dictating what we are talking about. I will dictate the same and declare it is exactly related. There you go, what are you going to do now.
If only we could be so lucky.
Hum then don't reply. If its so hartd for you and you wish that you were so lucky not to have to put up with this. Then why are you coming back for more lol. You love it lol.
"simulation theory" is absolutely speculative (and wrong) and not the topic of this thread on ancient human civilizations.
Theories that propose alternative realities and knowledge are exactly about this topic.
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Trump Says US Will Permanently Pause Migration From 'Third World Countries'

Permanently Pause? Just say S T O P migration from third world countries!

Migration? Am I mistaken, do migrating people come to the country legally? Or is he just referring to those who enter illegally? I think not!

The one who is sitting in the office of president in the present time doesn't care about less fortunate people unless he has a use for them.

And he speaks of the illegals who come here committing crime, but he is going to prison systems have more US citizens manually illegals, and the number is overwhelmingly higher. But people will ignore facts to achieve what they want.BOP Statistics: Inmate Citizenship BOP Statistics: Inmate Citizenship

Is it hospital care? US citizens are greater numbers than illegals, can't find the numbers. But if a state is spending a few million on hospital care for illegals think of what they're spending on citizens?
Noncitizens’ Access to Health Care | Congress.gov | Library of Congress https://share.google/ULaI0ymWW6zDoYpvq

Government aid program? Again US citizens at the top of the list and many government aid programs illegals cannot received.

I guess farmers will start complaining again they will not have anyone to work their Crops. It's the dirty jobs, the menial jobs, that US citizens don't want and the majority will not do.

The Bible tells people to help each other, be kind to the stranger, help those in need but if you a third world country the current US president and his supporters don't want to help anyone less fortunate than them, of course unless it's family or friends.
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Top 10 Myths About Evolution

The sun increases the rate of entropy.
Perhaps you don't know what "entropy" means. What do you think it means?
Nothing becomes more
complex or increases in information due to the sun.
Plants, weather systems, river valleys, animal populations. Would you like to learn about specific examples?
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

From what I gather there are two Israel’s, one carnal, one spiritual. Ancient Israel is GODS elect under the law, the church is GODS election according to grace. Romans 11:5 Even though GOD divorced carnal Israel HE has not forgotten HIS promise to Abraham concerning them. The church did not replace carnal Israel because the olive trees roots predated both Israel and the law. The promises to the church are different than to carnal Israel. Just compare the blessings given to carnal Israel in Deuteronomy to those blessings given to the church which has better promises. Hebrews 8:6 Hebrews 7:22 2 Corinthians 3:6 The differences are obvious.
God has no future blessings or promises to the people who claim to be Israel. Jesus informs us who they belong to; Revelation 2:9b
All -Jew and Gentile become the Spiritual descendants of the Patriarchs, by accepting Jesus. Galatians 3:23-29
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Top 10 Myths About Evolution

How about we answer the question?
It's like saying" if flamingos evolved from ducks, why aren't all ducks evolving into flamingos?" Because evolution isn't a ladder; it's a bush with species evolving into specific environmental niches. Humans happen to be apes that ventured out into the plains and evolved differently than apes that stayed in the forests.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

All this what about in defense of Trump (which is not the topic). Did you even bother to vote for him?
I am not American so I could not vote lol. I am explaining how there is a deranged level of bias and partisan politics against Trump and by extenstion his admin and supporters.

That this motivates haters to create falsehoods in the negative before any evidence or facts come out. They have been busted time and time again.

So all this negative spectualtion is not just coming hate and is biased.
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Had Mary guessed about resurrection ?

and we get something even better- salvation in Christ.
i agree, but i wouldn't find useless to assume Mary was supported (and may be supported the apostles) by her belief during the three days of death. As called Peter, i assume the apostle (Peter) must have felt sheepish of his denials before her, even after resurrection, at least up until Jesus gives him back the leadership over his shep, may be still when waiting for the Holy Spirit.
i wonder whether it's not in what preceeds that part of this motherhood of Mary Jesus gives to John (indirectly to Peter) consists
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Trump Says US Will Permanently Pause Migration From 'Third World Countries'

Hello FaithT. I found a wikipedia article explaining the practice, but it maybe too harrowing for posting here. If you go to wikipedia and search for the term you'll find the article. It says the practice is 'significantly present in some countries of Africa, Asia and Middle East, and within their diasporas'.

Kind Regards.
I knew it happened in Africa, don’t know if I ever heard of it in Asia or Middle East. So this is happening with people From these countries when they move to Scotland?
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

He couldn't even get a second term
And yet he succeeded in the job where Trump has failed. That's what eats at Trump, now. He'll never get over it. Even republican historians put Biden far above Trump. And by now, Trump has declined too far to hope for a recovery.
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St Nicholas

“one in being with the Father”
I dislike that language in the Nicene Creed. And it's a translation issue. The older texts read: "Of one substance with the Father". Let me explain.

In the American context, where anyone with a little charisma and a 6th grade education and a King James Bible can scrape together a group of 20 followers (hence the meme of Pr. Bob, the ignoramus), the quoted phrase tends to lead to a Modalist view. Of course, the people I just referenced don't use creeds but they seem to be particularly effective at spreading their views through media. So those who do are tainted with the influence of these ignorant people.

I can live with 'consubstantial with the Father' as the Romans were using recently, although that is a word that needs unpacked for 93% of the faithful; essence and substance are both better.
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Man acquitted of stabbing by Portland jury — after victim said slur following the attack

The right to be tried in front of a jury of our peers is supposed to be a benefit or "check" on institutional power and biases.
One of the many problems with multiculturalism is that finding peers becomes increasingly harder.
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