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Tuur · 2025-10-12T07:51:28-0500

HARK! said:
Rare coins do not have the same value all over the world.

Sigh.

The point is selling what you have at market value, or at any value at all, is often more difficult than you'd think. But it's your money.

Pioneer3mm · 2025-10-12T07:46:11-0500

Prayers for Christians in Qatar..
- for His comfort and strength.
- in the midst of persecution.
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I was in Qatar..years ago.
- stopover

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-12T07:45:49-0500

Ophelia

Strong in Him · 2025-10-12T07:44:49-0500

d taylor said:
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In the age of satan they will have their laugh, but this time of deception is coming to and end and God's true creation will be known.

God's true creation is known now - and it's stunningly beautiful.

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-12T07:44:17-0500

Strong in Him · 2025-10-12T07:43:02-0500

Apple Sky said:
I once mention Babel on here but as per just got laughed off.

You wouldn't get laughed off if you made intelligent/relevant posts.

What has the Tower of Babel got to do with walking on the moon?

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-12T07:41:53-0500

Art is a personal matter.

Apple Sky · 2025-10-12T07:39:27-0500

Hentenza said:
12 men actually walked on the moon

They'll probably build a swimming pool next to go moon dipping.

d taylor · 2025-10-12T07:39:22-0500

Apple Sky said:
I once mention Babel on here but as per just got laughed off.

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In the age of satan they will have their laugh, but this time of deception is coming to and end and God's true creation will be known.

It will end along with all other false deceptions, like gospels, etc...

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-10-12T07:39:19-0500

Aaron112 said:
The plans to over-throw the country have been planned for centuries.

The country itself is only a few centuries old. They must be very poor plans . And who is making them? What group is centuries old with continuous purpose to overthrow the country even before it was formed. England?

Apple Sky · 2025-10-12T07:32:38-0500

d taylor said:
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The science community is one, one in deceiving people that they can do something that man can not actually do. Also in deceiving people about God's creation.

Now the whole earth had one language and one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.

I once mention Babel on here but as per just got laughed off.

Hentenza · 2025-10-12T07:30:59-0500

Apple Sky said:
As is your claim that man has walked on the moon.

12 men actually walked on the moon

DaisyDay · 2025-10-12T07:28:54-0500

Does Donald actually believe this? If so, more evidence of his cognitive decline.

prodromos · 2025-10-12T07:27:29-0500

Kathleen30 said:
Prodromus firstly NASA knows exactly where the sites of their alleged lunar lunar landings be. They simply punch in those coordinates and you have your laser hit . And your return signal .Dosnt mean anything. And certainly no evidence of reflectors being there

You obviously didn't bother to follow the links. By the time the laser reaches the moons surface it is no longer a narrow beam but is striking a large area of the moon's curved surface, so what is sent as a brief pulse of light gets reflected back as a longer pulse, as some of light has travelled further and takes a bit longer to return. Thus it does not result in high accuracy. With the retroreflectors they are able to get a strong reflection from a very small area that is distinct from the laser light reflected off the moon's surface, without the blurred time interval, greatly increasing the accuracy of their measurements.

Kathleen30 said:
As I wrote prior they have been bouncing lasers off the moon for a good 10 yrs without the need of any reflectors. It’s just an ingenious way to say that we’ve been to the moon when they haven’t.

Without the reflectors they get a noisy, time blurred reflection from a broad area of the moons surface. With the reflectors they get a clear, sharp reflection from a precise location on the moon's surface.

Hentenza · 2025-10-12T07:25:09-0500

Apple Sky said:
Absolutely! And for all you other guys who don't believe it is there, it's called the firmament, Firm-ament.

And Artemis 1 went through the firm-ament on November of 2022 and circled the moon. Now what?

HARK! · 2025-10-12T07:23:58-0500

Tuur said:
So are rare coins, but selling them is harder than you'd think. I learned this in the 1970's, when I had some almost uncirculated coins that weren't worthy much over face value, but enough I could sell for Christmas money. Took them to the nearest collector coins dealer, a store that sold rare coins in individual pouches. There I learned that while he sold them, he didn't buy them from the public, and the nearest place he knew that did was several hundred miles away. I'd already made a trip of 50+ miles one-way just to get to a store that sold coins. Thus I learned what something is valued is one thing; what you can get for it is another.

Rare coins do not have the same value all over the world. Not many Chinese are seeking a double die US penny. However, the spot price for gold and silver is the same in China, as it is in the US, once the exchange rate between the dollar and the yuan is worked out.

You might have to travel more than 50 miles in either the US or China; if you want to find a money exchange to convert dollars to yuan, or vice versa.

The dollar is down again today:

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d taylor · 2025-10-12T07:22:30-0500

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The science community is one, one in deceiving people that they can do something that man can not actually do. Also in deceiving people about God's creation.

Now the whole earth had one language and one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.

lucypevensie · 2025-10-12T07:20:28-0500

Careful hands make beautiful art.

Benaiah468 · 2025-10-12T07:15:08-0500

Desk trauma said:
Using indifferent natural processes that will continue regardless as proof that something unrelated to them will happen.

Look, the mere fact that you are engaging with the subject of Israel shows that it cannot be as silly as you think. And as long as the sun shines, nothing will change, because it is based on G-d's promises to Israel. He Himself compares His covenant to the fixed order of day and night, as certain as day and night alternate, so certain is His covenant.

Mercy Shown · 2025-10-12T07:14:26-0500

Looking back to when I was a young Christian I believe I fell into worshiping the law rather than the law giver. Like the crippled man at the pool of siloam looking to the pool to "save" him, I looked at the law. It was a very stern master finally whipped me into dispair. It is too long of s story to share here but I came to the point of letting go of any kind of God concept and then I met the law giver and relized what He did to procure the gift He was offering me. This is how I have come to undestand where his law fits into His boundless Grace and unconditionsal love.

1. The Law’s True Purpose

Paul never said the law was bad — he said it had a specific role:

“Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”
— Galatians 3:24

The law reveals God’s holiness and our sinfulness — it drives us to God for mercy. But once faith comes, the believer’s relationship with the law changes:

“But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.”
— Galatians 3:25

The law shows what righteousness looks like; Christ provides the power and forgiveness to live it.

2. Law-Keeping “by the Flesh” — Self-Righteousness

When Paul speaks of “the flesh,” he means human effort apart from God’s Spirit.

“For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.”
— Romans 10:3

That’s what Paul calls law-keeping by the flesh — obeying rules to earn favor, to prove oneself righteous, or to feel spiritually superior.

This was his own past error:

“As to righteousness which is in the law, blameless… but what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ.”
— Philippians 3:6–7

He had kept the letter of the law, but he didn’t yet know the heart of the Lawgiver. Once he met Christ, he saw that all his efforts without faith were empty.

3. Law-Keeping “by Faith” — Spirit-Empowered Obedience

When we come to God by faith, the Spirit enables us to walk in obedience from the inside out.

“That the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
— Romans 8:4

This is law-keeping by faith: not to earn salvation, but as the fruit of a heart transformed by grace. It’s what Jeremiah and Ezekiel foresaw when they spoke of the law written on the heart (Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 36:26–27).

The believer’s obedience flows from love, not fear:

“For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.”
— Galatians 5:6

4. Worshiping God, Not the Law

Paul’s entire gospel defends worship of the Lawgiver rather than the law itself.

The law worshiper says, “I will prove my loyalty by keeping every command.”
The God worshiper says, “Because I love Him, I want to walk in His ways.”

Both might look outwardly obedient — but only one is inwardly free.

Paul put it beautifully:

“We… worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.”
— Philippians 3:3

RDKirk · 2025-10-12T07:13:44-0500

bèlla said:
Where do you get that idea? Every example I shared is independent. They’re not standing in pulpits. They built profitable entities for their work.

~bella

I'm talking about secular roles.

I remember in the 60s when Germaine Greer spoke of women entering tradtionally masculine roles but bringing a feminine (not feminist) influence into those roles. But I don't see a feminine influence, I see a feminist influence...which isn't the same thing. I see a pseudo-masculinity instead. Making the same mistakes and calling it "feminist." My daughter sees the same thing.

Kathleen30 · 2025-10-12T07:02:38-0500

prodromos said:
Pro dro mos.
It is the Greek word meaning "forerunner" and is a reference to John the Baptist, after whom I was named.
Its even right there in the top corner when you reply to my post, yet you consistently misspell it either deliberately or out of carelessness.

Only a few years before the Apollo missions. The installation of retroreflectors on the lunar surface greatly increased the accuracy of those measurements.

Lunar Laser Ranging experiments - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I assume you mean the reflectors. There are no lasers on the moon, alleged or otherwise

Radio signals, not lasers. Amateur radio operators continue to use this technique today

Earth–Moon–Earth communication - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Prodromus firstly NASA knows exactly where the sites of their alleged lunar lunar landings be. They simply punch in those coordinates and you have your laser hit . And your return signal .Dosnt mean anything. And certainly no evidence of reflectors being there . As I wrote prior they have been bouncing lasers off the moon for a good 10 yrs without the need of any reflectors. It’s just an ingenious way to say that we’ve been to the moon when they haven’t. My apologies with your name sometimes the auto memory clicks in and changes your name to a past mistake and I not notice. Yes reflectors me meant and not laser. But with your other statement when you mention radio signals I did not mention lasers but wrote signals . Now the sleep time. Good nite

jonojim1337 · 2025-10-12T07:01:55-0500

Mercy Shown · 2025-10-12T07:00:20-0500

Soyeong said:
Thank you.

We are free to categorize God's laws in whatever way that want but we should not interpret the authors of the Bible as if they had in mind a list of laws that we created. For example, I could categorize God's laws based on which part of the body is most commonly used to obey/disobey them, such as with the law against theft being a hand law, but just because I can do that does not establish that the authors of the Bible categorized God's laws in the same manner or that they would agree with me that the law against theft best fits as a hand law, so I would quickly run into error if I were to interpret the authors of the Bible as referring to hand laws.

Moreover, the category of moral law is especially problematic for reasons that I stated in my previous post. the Bible makes no attempt to distinguish between some laws are being moral or not, but rather all of God's laws are timeless duties grounded in His character. Just because something is a civil or ceremonial issue doesn't mean that it is not also a moral issue, such as with marriage being a civil, ceremonial, and moral issue. Holiness is a timeless duty grounded in God's character, so holiness is a moral issue and many of God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy are often considered by people to be ceremonial laws.

I would add that God's physical laws are also a part of His law. Things like gravity etc.

Soyeong said:
The goal of God's law is to graciously teach us how to know Him by embodying His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, so His character traits are the weightier matter of His law.

Everything in God's law is either in regard to how to love God or our neighbor, which is why Jesus said that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey all of the commandments that hang on them. The way to love God is by embodying His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, such as the way to love justice is by being a doer of justice, the way to love holiness is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. In other words, the goal of God's law is to graciously teach us how to love different aspects of His character traits, which is why the Bible repeatedly states that the way to love God is by obeying His commandments. The only way that we should cease to follow God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy would be if God were to cease to be holy and if someone refuses to follow those instructions, then holiness is an aspect of God's character that they should not love.

God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore any instructions that He has ever given for how to be a doer of His righteousness are also eternally valid (Psalms 119:160), and if the way to be a doer of God's righteousness were temporary, then God's righteousness would also be temporary. God's way is the way to know Him and Jesus by embodying His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, which is the narrow way to eternal life (John 17:3). In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the law points us to Christ because it was graciously given in order to teach us how to know Him and we should live in a way that points to Christ by follow his example of obedience to it rather than a way that points away from him.

That verse could not be referring to a change of the law in regard to its content, such as with it becoming righteous to commit murder or sinful to do charity, but rather the context is speaking about a change in the priesthood, which would regard a change of the law in regard to its administration. A priesthood led by God's Word made flesh does not involve a departure from following God's Word.

God's law is am important foreshadow that testifies about the good things that are to come, so we should live in a way that testifies about the good things that are to come by following Christ example of obedience to it rather than a way that bears false witness against the good things that to come.

Ephesians 2:15 could not be referring to any of God's laws because all of God's laws are eternal. God did not make any mistakes when He gave His law, so He had no need to abolish His eternal character traits or any of His eternal instructions for how to be a doer of His character traits. God did not give any laws for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His law instructs to love our neighbors as ourselves. In Ephesians 2:10-15, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so it would make any sense to think that Christ abolished his instructions for how to do good works, and indeed, the Greek word "dogma" is never used by the Bible to refer to the Law of God.

In Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles were at one time separated from Christ, alienated from Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, without God and hope in their world, which is all in accordance with Gentiles at one time not being doers of the Law of God, but through faith in Christ all of that is no longer true in that Gentiles are no longer strangers or aliens but are fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints in the household of God, which is all in accordance with Gentiles becoming doers of the Law of God.

The purpose of God's law is to teach us how to have an intimate relationship with him by walking in His way, which is something that we need to keep on fulfilling.

Jesus and the Apostles quoted from the OT hundreds of times in order to support what they were saying, so it doesn't work to interpret them in a way that turns them against following what they considered to be an authoritative source. For example, Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so he affirmed God as being an authoritative source. In Deuteronomy 12:32, it is a sin to add to or subtract from God's law, so Jesus and the Apostles did not do that. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for him is if they speak against obeying His law, so Jesus and the Apostles did not do that. It does work to interpret Jesus as speaking against obeying what God spoke in Deuteronomy 14 or to interpret the Apostles as speaking against following over 99% of what Christ taught.

Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Law of God that we have knowledge of what sin is, so we are still under it.

In Colossians 2:16-23, the Colossians were keeping God's feasts in obedience to His commands, they were being judged for doing that by pagans who were promoting human teachings and precepts, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone prevent them from obeying God. Those promoting asceticism and severity to the body would be judging people for celebrating feasts, not for refraining from doing that.

Christ was not in disagreement with what God commanded.

Changing the medium upon which God's law is written from on stone to on our hearts does not change the content of what it instructs. For example, the command to honor our parents written on stone has the same content as the command to honor our parents written on our hearts. God has not commanded anything that wasn't in perfect accordance with living by the Spirit, which is why Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God (Romans 8:4-7). The character traits of God that the Law of God was graciously given in order to teach us how to embody that are the moral will of God are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

God's character traits of eternal, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to be a doer of them are eternally and cumulatively valid regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any. While God can progressively reveal more instructions about how to be a doer of His character traits, those instructions will always be in accordance with what He has previously revealed. The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if it cumulative with it. One thing can only make another thing obsolete to the extent that it has cumulative functionality, so a computer makes a typewriter obsolete but does not make a plow obsolete, which means that if the New Covenant involved doing something different that was not cumulative with the Mosaic Covenant, then it could not make it obsolete. So the New Covenant still involves following the Law of God (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is cumulatively based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6).

Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of God by word and by example and the reason why he established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused the New Covenant to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Law of God (Jeremiah 31:33).

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