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Learning from the Master Teacher Sent by Jesus: The Holy Spirit

God the Father is the source of all blessings rendered through the Savior Jesus, God the Word, even though the Father has bestowed upon his Son all power in heaven and earth. All through the Book of John, the writer quotes Jesus giving all credit for everything mortal and immortal to God the Father. I will never know in mortality how the work and the glory of the Trinity actually functions. Perhaps all saints who make it to heaven will one day know the divine secrets of God. The laws and physics of God are far beyond the ability of the mortal mind to comprehend. God the Father is the source of all power that he has given to Jesus to create mankind, the world, and all things that have been created, according to John 1. God the Word, Jesus, is the advocate of all mankind before God the Father. That is why everything we say or do should be done in the name of Jesus Christ.

God the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, will convey to the devout sincere Christian the truth of the foregoing. The Holy Spirit is pretty much the Christian's pipeline to knowledge and prophecy. The Father will send blessings through the Holy Spirit to the faithful Christian, as Jesus said the Comforter will do. As we pray to the Father, the Holy Spirit will deliver the knowledge and information that we request, and Jesus is always there to do what he does best, to mysteriously intervene in our lives with his bounteous love for us.
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Is the Bible inerrant?

Even if we had infallible interpreters, we'd be stuck interpreting them as well. Unless you're advocating that each of us is infallible in our interpretations. So it doesn't seem to me that we can affirm either, at least unless we're simply going to be insisting on such matters dogmatically and don't deal in the practical realities involved.
Well, all who claim to know the full gospel truth based on Scripture alone are asserting infalliblity, whether they acknowledge that fact or not. And then others of us do, indeed, interpret their interpretations as well as interpreting the positions of those who do not go by Scripture alone but who also point to a historic legacy of beliefs that existed before the new testament, at least, was written.

The point is that even if we somewhere possess a perfect codified body of Christian beliefs accurately reflecting God's word, that in no way guarantees that anyone will necessarily embrace it. Either way this situation is open to being a messy affair as we less-than-perfect humans have been left here on earth with this treasure, this revelation of God's nature and will, from a God who revealed himself so that His perfect will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Similiarly, even if we possessed the texts fresh from the author's pens, and spoke their language fluently, we still wouldn't necessarily know their intended meanings perfectly.

The bottom line for myself is in understanding that biblical exegesis alone is not at all a sure way to fully or even sufficiently know God's will for man. It's left to all of us to discern, with the help of grace, if and where we hear His voice. I certainly hear it in the bible despite any seeming contradictions, ambiguities, vagueness etc. I hear it more clearly explained in light of the historic understanding of His church. It's interesting that the apostles met in Jerusalem to discuss a matter which they did not resolve by Scripture, via the old testament, but by means of the new revelation they'd received through Christ. Related to this, the Bereans, conscientious as they were in studying Scripture, could not understand it without the still non-biblical imput of disciples who had experienced or been taught about a new Way. Likewise was the experience of the Ethiopian Eunuch with Paul.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

You claimed it lined certain shafts and chambers because of their electrical properties. I was merely pointing out that the prestige and implied wealth of using granite was a better explanation. It as if you said the pyramid was capped with gold because it was a conductor, when ostentatious display of wealth and power would be better. (I've heard the capped with gold claim before, though I don't think it is still thought to be the case.)
This shows how the same evidence can be seen with two different explanations. It seems to me that many examples are explained away as decoration. Like everything was for looks and no function. Thus relegating the Egyptians to artists rather than knowledgable.

Which I think stems back to the design verses naturalistic worldview. Skeptics resist attributing any agency or design to anything humans do as it suggests design in nature or that there is such a thing as a mind capable of actually changing or creating objective reality.
I'm not sure you've learned it. Batteries, like piezoelectric crystals, can't be a power source unless they are wired together. The trunk-load of batteries and the quartz crystals in granite aren't wired together and you can't make an electrical power source out of them.
From what I understand the power source needs to be connected in the proper sequence and aligned to be able to work in the first place. The piezoelectric crystals have to fall within a certain range or oscilation to generate or enhance the effect.

Thus the pyramid itself being located in a constantly vibrating location and with additional sources of activity such as siezmic activity or the natural subterrainian activities of the waterways and caverns.

With the additional effects of the pyramids internal layout with specific stones layered in ways that enhance the piezoelectric effect when is concentrated into the chambers and especially the Kings chamber.

For all this to happen I don't think it was an accident or coincident that these specific locations, layouts and other evidence of purposeful treatments to the structure such as thermal activity show some sort of experimentation was going on. I know thats a laymans explanations but it is something along these lines.
Your "AI" (artificial idiot)
Its funny how your side uses the same but its ok for them.
is slamming random things together. "quartz has piezoelectric properties" + "granite contains quartz" + your leading question + a dash of your favorite nutters and their "electric pyramid nonsense" in the "training data" and you get responses like this. LLMs (like the "AI chatbots") are useful tools, but they are just that, tools. GIGO or if you don't know how to use it you will get nonsense results.
I did not ask any leading questions. I simply put in your statement and not anything I said and that is exactly what popped out. No mention of pyramid power, Atlantis, aliens. Just the simple question (is Granite is a piezoelectric power source).

Once again it is you who keeps injecting the conspiracies of "electric pyramid nonsense". Your taking the simple question about the piezoelectric effects of granite and how it can generate electrical energy through pressure or other forces and assuming its about some conspiracy about alien power.

I am simply looking at the material involved and how it is structured and the possible activities it was subject to to show that it is ideal for generating such activity. Thats it. Step one. Not some conspiracy down the raod that you think its about.
By the possible methods the articles have been mentioning. The premise being if the pyramid was built in a certain location to maximize potential natural energy. That the specific internal layout and material also being conducive.

That subjecting the pyramid itself and the internal structures such as shafts and chambers through stressses of various sorts such as heat or sound. Will potentially generate certain effects that will produce desired outcomes such as a concentration of energy in the chambers.

If all the setup and materials can potentially achieve this then this is the logical conclusion. If tests can show that these setups and arrangements can produce the effects. Then its a case of whether this was actually being done. That we find evidence of that stress within the pyramid and stones seems to support this premise.
What, lol. Isn't it funny. When I actually link peer review its just laughed at.
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What "eyewitness testimony"? Pyramids have been there for millennia.
The testimony from the ancients themselves that tell us they had this knowledge. That it was from the gods or for the gods. You don't believe them like you don't believe the witnesses of Christ who they said came back from the dead. The fundemental skepticism of all things non naturalistic is a belief and not science.
Though this is not on topic, it is also false. Eye witnesses are *not* good sources. Our knowledge of Jesus of Nazareth is not based on eyewitness testimony anyway. I suggest you go read a proper source on the origins of the Gospels. But there is no need to discuss it here as it is not the topic.
So if there is evidence for Christ and the gospels then whats stopping people from then taking up what was claimed as truth.

Or are you just talking about a certain kind of knowledge that can never convince that the supernatural events happened. Or there there can be such alternative knowledge and reality in the first place.
Which is utterly irrelevant to the principle (ancient, unknown civilizations) and secondary claims (lost ancient rock shaping technology) you have made in this thread.
This is a either/or fallacy. Its not just about 'rock shaping' but ancient lost alternative and/or advanced knowledge and the possible tech that came from this.

Fundementally as I said and the OP pointed this out. That this is a epistemic and metaphysical belief and not just the science of specific examples. Though they may show the advanced knowledge.

Part of that is labelling good people by assumption and stereotypes of conspiracies and making up stuff simply because they believe or propose an alternative idea about what knowledge is.

That includes Christian scientists or those who are open to alternative metaphysics who can hold both the scientific causes and the alternative ones that could range from spirituality to consciousness beyond brain.

Some skeptics automatically lump everyone into the conspiracy when its not and don't support the claims about the specific ideas that even Hancock have suggested. Even if I also think some like Hancock can drift into spectualtion. He also holds some pretty well accepted and verified ideas. But you don't seem to have the capacity to be able to entertain both sides at the same time. Its either all your way or the highway.
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the myth of flat earth debunked again

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Here it is.
In the post to which you linked, you just showed a disc equally spaced between two places. I kept asking you in the thread, post after post after post, what would we see if the moon was on the horizon.

You refused to answer. As you are refusing to do so now. Because it's obvious that we'd all see the same features the same way around. But we don't. So what's your explanation?
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Are you suggesting that the vast majority of mankind choses to spend eternity in hell???
That's certainly what they say. And it sounds better than saying that God chucks the majority of those He's ever created into eternal torment knowing that's where they'd end up based on His design.
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

So it's not about their freewill. It's Christ will and power
All men are drawn.
Many men are called, few chosen.
We are not coerced
Our response is our choice.
'Choose this day who you will serve.'
'Open the door and I will come in and sup with you.'
It isn't complicated.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene to resign in January

Political currency wins elections evidently... you DO want the Democrats to win, yes?

at some point you have to let the chips fall where they may.

its not our job to be the morality police, or insist that tax dollars be spent effectively. people are complacent and you have to let them be complacent to the point they get hurt before they wise up and change their ways.

teach your children the games both sides play and invest your money instead of donating it to political campaigns, you'll have more left over at the end of your life.
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the myth of flat earth debunked again

No, I didn't. The link you gave was to a thread in which I can't post.

If your convex disc moon is just above the horizon then someone in London would see the same features on the moon as someone in Sydney. That doesn't happen. How do you explain that?
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That was not the post that we discussed this, it was an older flat earth thread.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

It was you said you are the one who likes to but into other people's business. Perhaps you should consider that beam in your own eye first, before instructing others.
I am going to post when and where I want to. You have no say so in that. Secondly, when you are promoting the law I’m always going to be there to argue against it.
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the myth of flat earth debunked again

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Funny how the first time you asked this question and i gave the same answer, you said well that solves that.
No, I didn't. The link you gave was to a thread in which I can't post.

If your convex disc moon is just above the horizon then someone in London would see the same features on the moon as someone in Sydney. That doesn't happen. How do you explain that?
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Belief in transcendent reality is not at issue in this discussion or even in this forum. There is no need for a Christian or a scientist to reconcile such beliefs with science.
But if the knowledge stems from some transcedent source then it is a possible source that science cannot measure that may be involved.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

What I was asking is whether the Schumann effect actually created any measurable vibrations? Does something with a wavelength of 38 000 km interact with quartz crystals even? It is ~150 000 times the radio frequency resonance frequencies in in the simulation.
I am not sure. But that is what the Schumann effect is. A naturally occurring phenomena where there is more electromagnetic waves on the surface and a constant vibration.

AI Overview
Natural earth vibrations: The Earth is in a constant state of vibration from sources like seismic activity and atmospheric effects, such as the Schumann resonance.
Yes
Are they produced?
I am not sure what you mean.
Ok, in the mean time they could just test it with a granite block at home?
Wait a minute. Were you not just complaining that there are no tests done on site. It is testing the specific shape and layout of the stone in situ in the pyramid. Any block outside of this will produce completely different results.

But tests done of the piezoelectric effects of granite and other stones has already been done. We already know that it has certain piezoelectric effects with the crystals. Such as quartz watches ect.
Yeah, how often did they chant? Did thjey even chant?
Yes evidently music, sounds ect were a big part of Egyptian religion and tradition. Most cultures are the same.

Ancient Egyptian Sound Meditation

They reckon if you chant from one chamber it actually changes in frequency as it moves through the shafts into the chamber. People can actually hear the voice/sound change sounds and take on its own sounds and vibrations. Including strange notes never heard due to the particular reflections on the walls.
That has nothing to do with what was proposed in the article.
Why. If tests are to be done testing the model under geothermal and seismic activity. Then I am saying that there is evidence that the stones have already been subject to thermal activity and seismic activity. Or some other stress that has effected the stones.

Showing that either some natural disaster happened or that the stones were purposely subjected to certain activity to provoke certain effects.
Radiated what? Reflecting the incoming sunlight? Of course.
Actually the outer casing stones being limestone acted as an insulator for the pyramid. Keeping the activity within and stopping it being lost.

The outer casing of the pyramid was covered with white tufa limestone. The white tufa limestone does not contain magnesium and has high insulating properties. This insulation property prevented the electricity inside the pyramid from being released without control.

Also, the chambers and the passages connecting them are made of granite which is a good electrical conductor, slightly radio-active, and is formed of about 55% of quartz crystals. Quartz crystals are known for stimulating electrons to flow when they are mechanically vibrated or stressed (Piezoelectric Effect).
https://scholarworks.bridgeport.edu.../47d12227-ade6-49ae-9ce0-c0551f405107/content
Why in the whole wide world would we assume that?
Because storms have a high electrical activity.
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