All kinds of interesting things were made known.

Like how many big MAGA infleuncers are not even in America.

BCP1928 said:

What were the opinions of the parents in theses cases?

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About the teachers being fired? I’m sure it’s diverse.

Valletta said:

“To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related to Venezuela,” Slotkin responded.

SLOTKIN STUMPED! Senator Admits She's 'Not Aware' of Any 'Illegal' Orders From Trump to Military [WATCH]

Michigan Senator Elissa Slotkin spoke with ABC's This Week host Martha Raddatz over the weekend and was forced to admit that, despite her viral video suggesting the contrary, President Trump has not issued any illegal orders to the military.

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Then why make that outrageous video?

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Because Trump is already on record as wanting to give illegal orders to the military.

BCP1928 said:

Here's a thought experiment for you: Let's say you work with a person called Mrs. Jones. At some point she divorces Mr. Jones and marries Mr. Smith. Consequently she is an unrepentent sinner, an adulteress. This is a sin that Jesus spoke unequivocally about, though he didn't have much to say about LGBT. The question for you is, do you now call her Mrs. Smith? Or do you stonewall and continue to call her Mrs. Jones?

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This is not a religious discussion and I made clear earlier what my motivation was. But to play your game, did Mrs. Jones divorce because of sexual immorality? Or because of physical/sexual abuse? If she had children, was her husband abusing the children?

Third, what does this scenario even have to do with the topic at hand?

2PhiloVoid said:

On a certain humanist, philosophical, psycho-social level, I agree with you that children should get a say in expressing how they feel about themselves and their relation to the world they live in. However, this becomes a problem when the powers that be decide to create and push a social, legal agenda that co-opts the children's struggles for the promotion of their own political paradigm and legislative policy.

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I'll allow that legislation is an awfully big hammer to use to solve a problem that is better addressed with...tweezers? The situation on the ground is one or two students in a classroom, maybe only one or two students in the whole school, who are gender-diverse. They need to feel safe in school, and their classmates also need to feel safe in school. A quiet, individualized solution, in which the student uses their preferred name, and perhaps there's a gender-neutral restroom available in the building, might be enough to make everyone feel safe enough to continue with the business of education.

While I'm grateful for the anti-discrimination laws in my own state of New Jersey, I also see that the adults shouting "You have to use their pronouns!" "No, you're forbidden to use their pronouns!" may not be making things better for the gender-diverse kid who's just trying to make it through algebra class.

probinson said:

I am.

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Then why aren't you complaining to your employer?

Landon Caeli said:

we happen to be the easiest country to infiltrate, because we are a nation of immigrants and civil rights, with a large multicultural population, that is used to acculturation

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Those are all great things!

Yet all the thief on the cross had to do, like all of us, was to put others ahead of self instead of following a path of selfishness like the other thief. He followed both of Jesus' commandments. But I guess that would cut down on the need for human church services and the like. We're the ones who like to complicate things, not God. We were given a simple task to show our fruits, while God would do the rest in overcoming adversity in both the human and spiritual worlds.

probinson said:

If it takes you a paragraph to attempt to explain why 500 < 100, you may be spinning away simple mathematical truths.

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I recall one instance, a while ago, where I spent pages explaining to one individual (not you, but someone still very active here) the difference between median and mean, and they still didn't get it. They kept repeating the same misunderstanding over and over again.

So, no, the fact at I have to take some time to explain something to somebody is not necessarily indicative of any "spin" on my part. The other person could very well just be thick.

FredVB said:

But there was real repentance, that is essential.

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Yes he understood the power of putting others first. He admitted his guilt but said Jesus was innocent. He did all that was required in putting others ahead of self, effectively following the second commandment, unlike the other thief who was all about self and had no place in the Kingdom.

Looking at the history of Islam, it has always used the method of acculturation to infiltrate it's Arabian, African, and Asian neighbors. This is the same game being repeated, over and over...

...We have a problem on our hands.

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Doug has ducked around these questions and run from this discussion, as he cannot refute what the texts say.

I am asking his Dispie brethren: Can you answer these simple questions?

1. The Bible says we (the redeemed of all nations and ethnic groups) have been grafted into 'an Israeli tree' (Romans 9-11). Is that an ethnic or spiritual tree?
2. The Bible says we who were once aliens from the "citizenship of Israel" have now been brought in through the blood of Christ to that privileged place (Ephesians 2). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
3. The Bible says that Jew and Gentile alike, have now been graciously merged together into "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-16). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
4. The Bible says we are 'Jews' and we are "the circumcision" today (Romans 2:25-29; Philippians 3:3 and Colossians 2:11). Is that ethnic or spiritual Jews?
5. The Bible says we are "the children of Abraham" (Romans 4:11; 4:13-15; 4:16-18; 9:6-8; Galatians 3:7-9; 3:12-14; 3:16 and 3:26-29) today. Are we the ethnic or spiritual "children of Abraham"?
6. The Bible says we now reside and abide in "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" (Matthew 21:42-46; John 3:3; Romans 9:33; 11:26; Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:4-6; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 12:22 and 1 Peter 2:5-10). Is that natural physical earthly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" or is that spiritual heavenly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion"?

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

And this is a problem... because?

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Chariots of the Gods. Checkmate, globe.

Hentenza said:

Ok. How about the one in Wisconsin, California, and Virginia.

Here is the one for California

California district to pay $360K to teacher fired for not following transgender policies

The Jurupa Unified School District denies any illegal action or discrimination against Jessica Tapia, a former physical education teacher in the Southern California district.

www.nbcnews.com

Here is the one for Wisconsin.

Wisconsin teacher suing school district after being fired for not using students' preferred pronouns

This lawsuit filed by a teacher who's been fired for refusing to use transgender student’s pronouns is the first in Wisconsin, but schools in the state have faced a series of legal challenges over transgender rights issues.

www.wpr.org

Here is the one from Virginia. The school district settled for $575,000.

Virginia school board to pay $575,000 to teacher fired for refusing to use trans student's pronouns

Former French teacher Peter Vlaming sued the school after his firing, alleging his constitutional right to speak freely and exercise his religion was violated.

www.cbsnews.com

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What were the opinions of the parents in theses cases?

PloverWing said:

Hmm. My own philosophy of parenting was to parent with a pretty firm hand when they were toddlers -- else they would eat rocks and run into the street -- but to parent with a lighter and lighter hand as they grew older, because by age 18 they would have to be responsible for their own decisions. By the time children are teenagers, I'm inclined to listen to them when they tell me about gender identity, and I'd see my parental role as shifting to helping them find a safe path through life.

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We agree. My argument is that it is the parent’s responsibility to address issues with their children not the school.

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Stopped_lurking said:

It is normal enough. Are referring strictly to trans persons? You would be ok with the school not informing about someone expressing that they are gay or bisexual? Here the school asks if it is ok to inform the parents and the kid would be offered a talk with the school counselor.

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Schools need to inform parents of any changes from their kid’s normal behavior pattern. Both trans or homosexual expressions is a clear departure from the child’s normal behavior.

Stopped_lurking said:

I don't know how you see rights to privacy. But at high school-age kids should not be forced to divulge everything to their parents. Here at 16, parents can no longer see their kids hospital journals.

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In the US courts have ruled that parents have a right to protect their children so children privacy rights are quite limited.

2PhiloVoid said:

On a certain humanist, philosophical, psycho-social level, I agree with you that children should get a say in expressing how they feel about themselves and their relation to the world they live in. However, this becomes a problem when the powers that be decide to create and push a social, legal agenda that co-opts the children's struggles for the promotion of their own political paradigm and legislative policy.

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There are culture warriors on both sides of the issue, I see that. What I don't see very much of on either side is much actual concern for the children involved in the issue. In fact, when you get right down to it, the argument from the Right seems mostly to do with the imposition it puts on them to accept trans. One side says "Use these pronouns, it will be good for the children." Whether that's right or wrong, at least it expresses some concern for the children. The other side says, "I won't use these pronouns because it would be an imposition on me whether it helps the children or not."

ThatRobGuy said:

Much of that could be solved with a robust and competitive 3rd party (Canada's population is much smaller than ours, and they have 3 parties that are well represented in their legislative branch)

The roadblock we have in that regard, is that the rules for things like public campaign funding and access to the debates are defined by the 2 in-power parties, and they craft the rules in such a way that it's basically a "climb the ladder, and then pull it up after so nobody else can use it" type of thing.

A healthy 3rd option would force both major parties to curb some of their excesses and actually force them to win, as opposed to purely mudslinging to make the other guy lose.

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While some suggest that establishing a third or even fourth political party could be a solution, it is evident that many proponents lack a long-term strategy or the patience necessary for such an endeavor. To effectively compete with established parties like the GOP or DNC, a new party must begin with local positions, such as city mayor or other municipal offices, gradually advancing to state-level roles—including gubernatorial races—and then securing representation in Congress or the Senate before aspiring to the presidency. Building this type of party requires significant time, strategic planning, and financial resources. Frequently, advocates for third-party solutions prefer immediate presidential campaigns without dedicating effort to foundational growth and development. For instance, Jill Stein pursued the presidency without first seeking other elected offices, prompting questions about readiness and qualifications for such a high position.

Dan1988 said:

Please identify who the "we" are that you speak of, it sounds like your not making any distinction between the children of God and the children of the Devil.

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All are free to make the choice. Jesus didn't say my people over here and repent, the rest over there and never mind understanding the Gospel of the Kingdom that says God will overcome all adversity and take government away from both elohim and mankind. That's like saying voters don't have a choice in who they side with. But yes, God does not deal with closed minds. It is these who seek division, while God seeks to reunite. But yes, Jesus was thankful for those whom the father had given him.

ThatRobGuy said:

They're still going to be paying for the tickets right?

Seems like they're not really "teaching Disney a lesson" in that scenario.

This is sort of reminiscent to the "I'm going buy an expensive pair of Nike shoes so I can make a video of myself burning them in the backyard and get 14 likes on Facebook" protest.


At least the "shooting cases of bud light in the backyard" thing was cheap.

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Are you kidding? Do you know what ammo costs these days? At least they were doing a public service by getting rid of the water that is bud light.

Hentenza said:

Thats up to the parents not the child.

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Hmm. My own philosophy of parenting was to parent with a pretty firm hand when they were toddlers -- else they would eat rocks and run into the street -- but to parent with a lighter and lighter hand as they grew older, because by age 18 they would have to be responsible for their own decisions. By the time children are teenagers, I'm inclined to listen to them when they tell me about gender identity, and I'd see my parental role as shifting to helping them find a safe path through life.

PloverWing said:

The AI bot didn't cite its source, but the Florida case seems to be this one: Florida district won’t rehire teacher in LGBTQ+ controversy over student’s preferred name

I note that this case is the opposite of the others: the teacher followed the student's preference, which is against Florida law.

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Ok. How about the one in Wisconsin, California, and Virginia.

Here is the one for California


Here is the one for Wisconsin.



Here is the one from Virginia. The school district settled for $575,000.

jonojim1337 said:

Yes, the knowledge, and the resources. But I would argue not all of them are hewn stone.

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So you can claim.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

You mean those who had access to stone, tools to cut and shape said stone, and the ability and manpower to shape and shift and fit those stones together into architecture fitted for their needs and desires?

Yes, that is quite a select few.

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Yes, the knowledge, and the resources. But I would argue not all of them are hewn stone.