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Does God want men to choose easy options ?

by the way, I heard an exorcist say when we focus on God and prayerful life, pray as soon it is happening our mind becomes pure and demons hates a pure mind, they can`t work with it.
Alas,.., i conclude i'm not pure minded enough to make them flee. It seems they enjoy dirtying my soul.
But i shall try to keep the idea of your exorcist. May be is it like a piece of wood on the sea shore, that sea can no longer bring toward the ocean, once it (the piece of wood) 's reached few centimeter above its level
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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

All the verses you have quoted to "prove" that animal sacrifices will return, are OT. We are told the kind of sacrifices that God wants; Romans 12:1; Hebrews 13:15.
Sure; we are not required to make sacrifices and offerings now, in this Church Age. There is no Temple, so it is impossible anyway.
But there Will be a new Temple in Jerusalem in the end times and there will be sacrifices and offerings made in it. As Prophesied in Ezekiel 40-46.

2 Thess 2:4 is proof of this and Daniel 9:27, Revelation 13:5-7, confirm it.
An understanding of what God requires of His people, is needed, to be His witnesses and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 56:1-8
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Secular politics and "Equality"

Is today's politics of Marxism, just a deception to covet what others have? So many speaking against the wealthy, and evil of Capitalism simply envying what others have. Are we being stirred up to envy, and covet?
This ends in handing it all over to big Government. to share the booty, until there is no more booty left for the masses?

It's religion now - the religion of equality.

Equality: Everybody has equal booty + all countries equal.

Utopia comes with worldwide equality. Not really but that's what they think.

According to the oral Torah, the Tower of Babel was really about equality. The leaders transformed stones (everybody unequal) into bricks (everybody equal.) That means they enslaved the people. The mortar that held it all together was materialism.

Did you know God hates bricks in altars?

Exodus 20:25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.

Isaiah 65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
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NYT report: In 2019, President Trump ordered Navy SEAL mission into North Korea; mission failed, left unarmed North Koreans dead

The first Trump administration never disclosed the operation to Congress....either before or after. The NYT's notes:

"President Barack Obama curtailed Special Operations missions late in his second term and increased oversight, reserving complex commando raids for extraordinary situations like hostage rescues.

The first Trump administration reversed many of those restrictions and cut the amount of high-level deliberation for sensitive missions. A few days after taking office in 2017, Mr. Trump skipped over much of the established deliberative process to greenlight a Team 6 raid on a village in Yemen. That mission left 30 villagers and a SEAL dead and destroyed a $75 million aircraft.

When President Joseph R. Biden Jr. succeeded Mr. Trump, the gravity of the North Korea mission attracted renewed scrutiny. Mr. Biden’s defense secretary, Lloyd J. Austin III, ordered an independent investigation, conducted by the lieutenant general in charge of the Army inspector general’s office.

In 2021, the Biden administration briefed key members of Congress on the findings, a former government official said.

Those findings remain classified."


And now we have the 2nd Trump term. Given Trump's record of not disclosing military operations to Congress - as every other modern day president has done, Congress is today blind as to operations may be already underway.
Reminds of the movie Clear and Present Danger, lots of things happening but no one taking responsibility. I wonder what the USA would do if a Seal team was captured after killing civilians? I doubt we would get them back without force.
I do remember too the secret raid that Carter used to try and get hostages out of Iran. A helicopter went down getting into position and the mission was scrubbed. It made the news fairly quickly. How things have changed.
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Erika Kirk Delivers Powerful National Address, Says Movement Will Not Die

“The evildoers responsible for my husband’s assassination have no idea what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith, and of God’s merciful love. They should all know this: if you thought that my husband’s mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have no idea what you just have unleashed across this entire country and this world,” Kirk declared.

Amen.
Going on tele to make a speech would be the last thing I would do if my spouse was murdered.
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What is currently on your mind?

What is currerntly on my mind (for a moment? for a day? whenever someone reads the forum ?)

Sin grows on the forums (like mold on bread?) .
There is no righteousness promoted, or even welcome, on forums.
Rather, truth is silenced, censored, opposed ........

So what`s new?

Acts 17:21

17:16 and chapter out is telling
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This is the scariest verse in the bible for believers

Back in the day, saying "Jesus is Lord" was compared to the contemporary imperative statement "Caesar is Lord"

By stating "Jesus is Lord" boldly, you were basically asking to be executed.

So cowardice today, might look different than what it did for the original audience .. depending on where you share it.
Yes, in the Roman Empire, saying ‘Jesus is Lord’ could mean execution. But that only underscores the point: if the early church was bold under the threat of death, how much more should we be bold today, when the most we usually face is rejection or mockery? We aren’t risking our lives to share Christ, so there’s even less excuse for staying silent. Cowardice doesn’t vanish just because the danger is smaller; in fact, it exposes our lack of love for souls if we won’t speak even when the cost is so low.
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Erika Kirk Delivers Powerful National Address, Says Movement Will Not Die

When Jesus said love your neighbor, he didn't mean to put up with, condone or support wickedness and the wicked.
I generally don’t get involved in cross-Christian doctrinal disputes, but this will be a fun thread to watch (should any other people sharing your faith, notices and cares to comment).
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This is the scariest verse in the bible for believers

If someone angers people because they are being deliberately rude or provocative, that is indeed wrong. But let’s be honest, the Gospel itself provokes anger. Jesus enraged people to the point of wanting to stone Him (John 8:59) and kill Him (Luke 4:28–29), and Paul was constantly accused of causing riots simply by preaching Christ (Acts 17:6). The cross is called an offense for a reason (Gal. 5:11). If we think a faithful presentation of the Gospel will never upset anyone, then we are preaching a different gospel; one that avoids confronting sin. The issue is not whether someone gets angry, but why. If it is because of the truth, then we stand in good company with Christ and His apostles.

Scripture never presents evangelism as only an ‘inside the church’ matter. Jesus sent His disciples out into the world, not merely to invite people to watch their services. Romans 10:14 asks: ‘How shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?’ That’s not limited to clergy, the Great Commission in Matthew 28:18–20 is addressed to all disciples.
The idea that only laity inside the church or clergy are responsible for speaking directly about Christ does not match the New Testament pattern, where ordinary believers went everywhere preaching the Word (Acts 8:4). Yes, we must not be rude or presumptuous, but silence is not faithfulness. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5:20 that we are all ‘ambassadors for Christ,’ meaning each of us represents Him wherever we go.

As for offence, Jesus Himself offended many by simply speaking truth (John 6:61–66). Asking someone if they know Christ personally is not a violation of the Golden Rule if done with love; it’s an act of care. To not ask, to not share, is to risk leaving people in darkness. Friendship, beauty, and worship are good, but the power of salvation is in the Gospel message itself (Romans 1:16).

I’d also add, wearing a cross or attending church, while good things, do not in themselves mean someone is saved. Jesus warned that many will say ‘Lord, Lord’ but not truly know Him (Matthew 7:21–23). Salvation is not in symbols or attendance but in repentance and faith in Christ. That’s why asking ‘Are you saved?’ is not an insult, it’s an invitation to reflect on where we stand with God. - I share the Gospel with believers and non-believers alike.

I agree that the Church should be welcoming and authentic, but Scripture shows that it is the Gospel itself, not ambience, that changes hearts (Romans 1:16). Beauty may attract, but only the Word of God brings life. If we replace proclamation with atmosphere, we risk leaving people impressed but still lost.
In Acts, they met in simple homes made of clay. They did not rely on architecture, icons, music, or ambience to bring people to Christ. If people come and stay only for the warmth of the community, the beauty of the building, or the quality of the liturgy, then those people may be impressed outwardly but have not truly had the inward heart change that only the Gospel produces. A church that relies on these to save people is in big trouble.
Paul himself avoided relying on style, eloquence, or atmosphere, because only Christ crucified saves. "And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified... that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God."

I fully agree that we must show love in deed, and our lives should reflect Christ’s love. But Scripture is clear that love in action alone is not enough. The most powerful form of evangelism is speaking the Gospel, because “faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ” (Romans 10:17).
The apostles did not “live the Gospel” into existence; they preached it. Paul said he “did not shrink from declaring… anything that was profitable” but went about “testifying… repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ” (Acts 20:20–21). He even said, “Woe to me if I do not preach the Gospel!” (1 Corinthians 9:16).
Good works shine as evidence of our faith (Matthew 5:16), but they cannot replace proclamation. If we only love in deed, people may see kindness but never hear the saving message. The highest form of love is to risk rejection for the sake of their soul by speaking the truth about Christ crucified and risen.
Scripture never commands us to 'live the Gospel' as a replacement for proclaiming it. While our actions and love can demonstrate the reality of Christ in our lives, the Bible repeatedly calls us to speak the message of salvation. Deeds and words go hand in hand, but it is the spoken (or written) Gospel that brings salvation.

I agree that Revelation 21:8 primarily addresses denying Christ under threat, but it also condemns the cowardly, those who fail to obey Him out of fear. Scripture calls us to take up our cross daily (Luke 9:23), which includes giving up our lives for Jesus’ sake and for the Gospel (Mark 8:34-35). This daily surrender is a form of living martyrdom; faithful obedience in both deed and proclamation. Martyrdom may be rare in the ultimate sense, but daily obedience and boldly speaking the Gospel are expected of all believers. Fear is not an excuse to remain silent.

Still a little lost as to what you mean. You may need to explain.

Absolutely, following Jesus’ example is vital; we are called to do what we see the Father doing (John 5:19). At the same time, Scripture makes it clear that the Father works through our obedience, including proclaiming the Gospel. Even when we see obstacles or fear rejection, stepping out in faith and speaking the message God has entrusted to us is part of cooperating with Him. Trusting the Father doesn’t mean inaction; it means acting in line with His Word and Spirit, even when it’s uncomfortable.

The seed who's fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

That is not uncomfortable - if anything it is exhilarating.
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Why are all these leading Democrats suddenly facing mortgage fraud charges? Trump's retribution guy at the Federal Housing Finance Agency

This is exactly what authoritarian regimes do, heavy-handed policing of the law against ones political opponents.
And wavers (or pardons) for ”friends”, yes.
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