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Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T21:59:29-0600

Jipsah said:
That’s “moot” you’re looking for. Just beginning the hilarity in this post

Not in any rational way, anyhow.

Because you have to read it through the impenetrable fog of your hand wrought doctrine.

Because you a, shall we say “unique” understanding of what you believe the Bible “really means”, which often has little or nothing to do with what it actually says.

I don’t think anyone will have any luck finding that one.

That’s generally referred to as “death” by native English speakers.

I’m not sure we’ve seen enough evidence to convict you of that charge.

Given that nobody talks that way that isn’t really a surprise, is it?

Is that a class on various heterodox/heretical pseudo Christian sects?

Thank you for expressing your private opinion of all the above, but may I remind you that "opinions are like noses". Everybody has their own, so your private opinion is absolutely worthless to me and it represents only 1 of 8 billion opinions.
Can you even see how weak your argument is????. none of what you claim is supported by any scripture, so yeah.

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't follow human philosophy or anything the wise guys push. I just follow the Lord.

childeye 2 · 2025-11-29T21:59:27-0600

CoreyD said:
If "on" is not correct, then "of" is what I meant, in line with the information I used.

"of" is still a preposition, so "will" is still a noun.

CoreyD said:
Synonyms for "of his own free will" include voluntarily, freely, willingly, of his own accord, by choice, at his own discretion, at his own pleasure, at his own accord, without constraint, and unforced, and self-initiated. Other relevant terms are self-initiated, self-motivated, and self-determined, which convey the idea of acting without external influence. Adverbial synonyms include at will, as one pleases, at one's discretion, and without prompting; it emphasizes an action taken without coercion or external influence. A single-word synonym is "voluntary". The phrase can also be expressed using words like spontaneously, deliberately, intentionally, or purposively. In a broader sense, the concept is related to autonomy, independent decision-making, and uncoerced choice.

Does that make a difference with you?

No. Your synonym list only muddies the waters. You’re collapsing distinct categories --> voluntariness, autonomy, and intent into one synonym set. <--That’s equivocation.

But it doesn't matter how much you switch the meaning of free will, because like I said Genesis 3:17 says Adam ‘hearkened’ (shāmaʿ) to the woman, which rules out voluntariness and autonomy. The only sense left is intent, which is not the case when one is being persuaded, so there is no philosophical construct of self‑determination in the text.

CoreyD said:
Besides that, you keep changing your argument, because one time you are focused on the word will, when I am referring to the phrase free will. Another time, you are saying the phrase "free will" is a noun... the noun free will, when that is not the case in the OP.

I didn't say free will is a noun, I said "will" is a noun in this sentence -> Thus Adam acted on his own free will.

I’m not changing my argument. I’m addressing how you’re using the phrase “free will.” You’re sliding between adverbial voluntariness (“willingly”), noun level capacity (self‑determination), and mere intent, then denying the noun when pressed.

My argument is this: Genesis 3:17 says Adam “hearkened” to the woman, which denotes obedience to persuasion. That rules out autonomy and voluntariness. If by “free will” you only mean intent, then say intent. But the OP accuses Adam using a philosophical construct of self‑determination the text does not provide.

Dreyma · 2025-11-29T21:47:16-0600

A couple different synopses of the book from Amazon:

"Set at a boys' boarding school in New England during the early years of World War II, A Separate Peace is a harrowing and luminous parable of the dark side of adolescence. Gene is a lonely, introverted intellectual. Phineas is a handsome, taunting, daredevil athlete. What happens between the two friends one summer, like the war itself, banishes the innocence of these boys and their world."
"'A Separate Peace' is a poignant coming-of-age novel set during World War II at a New England boarding school. The story revolves around the complex friendship between two boys, Gene Forrester and Phineas (Finny). As they navigate the challenges of adolescence, themes of jealousy, rivalry, and the loss of innocence emerge. The idyllic setting contrasts sharply with the underlying tensions of the war, reflecting the internal conflicts faced by the characters as they grapple with their identities and the realities of growing up. The narrative delves deep into Gene's psyche, exploring his feelings of envy towards Finny's charisma and athleticism. This jealousy ultimately leads to a tragic incident that alters their lives forever. Knowles masterfully captures the essence of youth and the bittersweet nature of friendship, as well as the impact of war on personal relationships. The novel serves as a powerful exploration of the transition from innocence to experience, making it a timeless reflection on the complexities of human emotions and the challenges of adolescence."

rjs330 · 2025-11-29T21:46:03-0600

BCP1928 said:
As I remember, it is that while a trans person isn't doing you any harm, using preferred pronouns for a transwoman, say, would be a positive assertion that she is a biological female.

I knew you would know the answer. Although, you really, really had to throw in your own two cents into it. Just couldn't help yourself.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-29T21:40:20-0600

Always in His Presence said:
I'll give you 100 dollar's to quit the grammar patrol.

I remember reading something somewhere about, "Here. I fixed it for you." But I cannot remember where.

rjs330 · 2025-11-29T21:35:33-0600

DaisyDay said:
Sure we do; always have.

No we don't. If you are illegal and a good guy you are still subject to the same deportation law as an illegal tgat is a bad guy.

Why shouldn't you be?

concretecamper · 2025-11-29T21:32:53-0600

Albion was a wayward fellow, I pray he found his way home, for his immortal souls sake.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-29T21:31:20-0600

Truth7t7 said:
It was no secret, Donald J. Trump ran his 2024 election based upon cleaning house, and he's standing on his promise to his constituent base, it's that simple

MAGA Vance/Trump 2028

Everything upside down and backwards. Welcome to Administration by Chaos.

NxNW · 2025-11-29T21:30:07-0600

This Democrat Wins in Red America. He Has Advice for His Party as He Eyes 2028.

MSN

sjastro · 2025-11-29T21:28:22-0600

Experimental archaeology using evidence from tomb reliefs found it was relatively easy to haul 20+ ton limestone blocks used to build the pyramids at Giza.
This is from the 10 minute mark of the video.

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Other related Egyptian stories are:
Cleopatra's sister's skull at the start of the video and the Plague of Akhenaton from the 13.30 minute mark.
The most ridiculous is the conspiracy theory that archaeologists excavating at Gobekli Tepe fearing the truth would come out planted olive trees en masse to hide the evidence. This is from the 16 minute mark.

.Mikha'el. · 2025-11-29T21:26:51-0600

Dreyma · 2025-11-29T21:22:29-0600

.Mikha'el. said:
It's crazy that you'd have to wait until Monday to get back in. There's seriously no one there on the weekend who could get you into your classroom to retrieve them?

I would have to make a call to someone with a master key—either a janitor or a school administrator. I don't wanna put anyone out of their way on a holiday weekend, especially when the weather is this terrible.

.Mikha'el. · 2025-11-29T21:20:23-0600

Dreyma said:
Uggghll, I'm irritated. So, I quickly pop into the school to grab some books I need for lesson planning. On my way out, I close my classroom door. It automatically locks. The moment I hear the lock click, I remember that my classroom and car keys are still sitting on my desk!

On Monday morning, I can ask a janitor to let me in—but until then, I can't re-enter my classroom or use my car. Now I can't go to church tomorrow I would walk, but the temperatures are below freezing and we've gotten a few inches of snow this weekend. I also considered asking for a ride, but I don't have a phone number for anyone who attends my church. I don't have any friends or family in town to give me a lift either. Isolation makes things so difficult...

It's crazy that you'd have to wait until Monday to get back in. There's seriously no one there on the weekend who could get you into your classroom to retrieve them?

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-29T21:19:13-0600

NxNW said:
Of course, invading Venezuela is about oil, not drugs.

Why not stop beating around the bush, and call it a full scale conquest. You know it is.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-29T21:16:32-0600

Yet still, nobody wants to talk about black culture and the "black pandemic." Gee, I wonder why.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-29T21:15:51-0600

NxNW said:
Our population could always stop taking illegal drugs.

Lol

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T21:14:50-0600

RamiC said:
"7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah." Genesis 7 - 7 NIV

You have forgotten someone, and his wife, and their sons, and their wives.

Oh' my, thanks for correcting me. I thought Noah and His family and animals all drowned :wave:

See, even a wise guy like me, makes mistakes now and then

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-29T21:12:54-0600

Don't follow the rabbit trails. The thread is about potential US strikes in Venezuela.

All Becomes New · 2025-11-29T21:11:35-0600

I'm in agreement with @Michie on this. Porneia is any kind of sexual immorality. That could be porn, or masturbation, or lust, or homosexuality, or adultery, or fornication. Anything that is not sex in the confines of a marriage between one man and one woman for one lifetime.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T21:10:24-0600

RamiC said:
Most quoted verse in the Bible.

Here it is..."16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3-16 NIV

3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2 3-4 NIV

You are technically correct of course, because that was two verses.

Where does it say "God wants to save everyone"???? Answer Nowhere!!!!. You will have to try harder than that. Back to class you go :preach:

Dan1988 · 2025-11-29T21:07:19-0600

Light of the East said:
I almost spit my coffee all over my monitor. You apparently are woefully ignorant of Church history. The Gnostics and all that they taught were widely condemned by the Church Fathers.

This is the same problem that one has in dealing with atheists - you show them proofs and because they do not wish to humble themselves and admit that they were wrong, they find all kinds of reasons and excuses to not believe.

1 Jesus Himself said "This IS my Body." What part of "IS" do you not get? The Jews in John 6, when told by Jesus that they had to "eat my flesh" and "drink my blood," went away both disgusted and utterly confused at this statement because it implied cannibalism. They took Him quite literally.

2. The Apostles learned from Christ and in turn, taught the next generation what He had taught them. If you read the sermons and letters of these first pastors of the Church, they taught TO A MAN, that the Eucharist is the very Body and Blood of Christ. WHERE did they learn such a thing except that the Apostles taught it to them.

3. The entirety of Christianity, even the heretics such as Arias, nonetheless believed in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. It wasn't until the Protestant Rebellion that other heretical ideas came into being.

The word remembrance is the Greek word (ἀνάμνησις) anamnēsis means more than just to remember. It is a calling to mind with the idea that the thing being remembered is actually and truly present now. It is a making present in reality of that which is being called to mind. Rituals are extremely important in a covenant relationship. No covenant is ever made without a covenant-making ritual and no covenant is repair or experienced with out ritual. Your barren intellectualism of Protestantism has nothing to do with covenant, yet we live in the New Covenant and therefore must abide by covenant rules and rituals. And to associate the Eucharist with "black magic" is heresy in extremely bad taste.

As I said, ritual is part of covenant life. You are profoundly ignorant of what it means to live in the New Covenant of God. If you want to stop being uneducated about this most important facet of the Christian life, I highly recommend this book:

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Written by a former Presbyterian Calvinist, he found that all of the rituals which he (and you) despised were actually part of the covenant relationship of God to man. And, of course, without any defense against the truth, he converted.

To hate something does not mean the same thing as to be ontologically hate. I am beyond stunned that you would make such a statement. You have no idea of ontological reality regarding God. And it is quite obvious that you are a Calvinist. You speak like one.

With that reasoning, then Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were some of the most loving people who ever existed on the face of this wretched little planet. Honestly, to suggest that someone who tortures another sentient being is a person of love is beyond the pale.

Thank you for confirming everything I suspected about the eastern Orthodox Denomination. I suspected that your rituals involve necromancy and black magic, and now you have confirmed it by claiming that "transubstantiation" actually takes place during your ceremony to crucify Christ afresh.

You guys must be under strong delusion, if you can't distinguish between "figurative, symbolic and parabolic language" in the Bible. It's sad and messed up theology when you take everything literally and miss the actual message which the scripture is proclaiming.

I look to the Lord Jesus, for instruction and teaching. You can have your confused men who change their minds about who and what they are on a regular basis. So, with all due respect, I will avoid the book your recommended and ;look to the Author and finisher of my salvation.

You have never shown me any proof that your religion is biblically correct, you say you have shown me proof, but all you have shown me is your private unbiblical opinion. None of your opinions are supported by any scripture, they all come from sinful men. God said "cursed is the man who trusts in man".

When the Church commemorates the Lord Supper, the Lord is present. God the Holy Spirit dwells in all of us Born Again Christians, so He is not in the bread or wine but He is literally in us, and you can get better than that in your religion.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-29T21:01:10-0600

Valletta said:
On your first point your logic is flawed. Vance is speaking of the "modern left" saying a person does not belong in America unless that person agrees with progressive liberalism. Vance is simply making the point that those whose ancestors fought in previous wars have a very real claim to citizenship. That's far different than claiming ONLY such people have a claim.

He’s also saying that people who move here and espouse our values shouldn’t have a claim on it.

Valletta said:
On the second point you confuse the "citizens" spoken of by Vance with "immigrants." There are plenty of people (Melania Trump, for example) who came here as immigrants and later become citizens. It's a matter of history that German immigrants who later became citizens (such as Wernher Von Braun) worked together at NASA with American Jews (such as Abraham Silverstein).

von Braun worked for the US government for 10 years before becoming a naturalized citizen. By that time, he was already Chief of Guided Missile Development at Redstone Arsenal and had a working prototype of our first ballistic missile. Yes, he and others became citizens, but you have to immigrate here first in order to do that, and the citizenship process takes years - years which these guys did not wait to contribute. Vance was blatantly wrong.

NxNW · 2025-11-29T20:57:47-0600

Of course, invading Venezuela is about oil, not drugs. Drugs are just a pretext.

Republican says US "about to go in" to Venezuela, with oil a key reason

Representative Maria Salazar, a Florida Republican, says that regime change in Venezuela would result in a "field day" for US oil companies.

www.newsweek.com

Jan001 · 2025-11-29T20:47:47-0600

RainySunflower said:
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+1 on this comment. Couldn't agree more. When bombs go down, we go up.

The so-called rapture occurs when Jesus returns to judge the living and the dead (aka the sheep and goats judgment, the white throne judgment, and the final judgment). The people who are still on earth will rise to meet Jesus and his saints in the air, and then they will follow Jesus to the Kidron Valley (Valley of Jehoshaphat) for this final judgment. In other words, this rapture will occur at the end of time.

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