Seats in European Parliament for Russia and Ukraine

[Gene2memE]

Russia should be given back their seats
in the Council of Europe.

Russia knows what it needs to do then. It needs to come back into full compliance with the statutes of the Council of Europe.

That would include (but not limited to):

Accept the principles of the rule of law (i.e. don't launch illegal invasions of your neighbours, and don't conduct sham elections).​

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According full human rights and fundamental freedoms to all persons within its jurisdiction (i.e don't have state enforced discrimination against certain groups).​

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Collaborate sincerely and effectively in the realisation of the aim of the Council (i.e. don't start a frenching land war in continental Europe).​

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If Russia wants to be in a club, it needs to play by the rules of that club. Otherwise it gets excluded. It's RUSSIA'S fault it got kicked out.

 

[Love365]

Russia knows what it needs to do then. It needs to come back into full compliance with the statutes of the Council of Europe.

That would include (but not limited to):

Accept the principles of the rule of law (i.e. don't launch illegal invasions of your neighbours, and don't conduct sham elections).​

​

According full human rights and fundamental freedoms to all persons within its jurisdiction (i.e don't have state enforced discrimination against certain groups).​

​

Collaborate sincerely and effectively in the realisation of the aim of the Council (i.e. don't start a frenching land war in continental Europe).​

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If Russia wants to be in a club, it needs to play by the rules of that club. Otherwise it gets excluded. It's RUSSIA'S fault it got kicked out.

If you want the war to end,
we may need to talk to the Russians.

 

[Estrid]

Russia knows what it needs to do then. It needs to come back into full compliance with the statutes of the Council of Europe.

That would include (but not limited to):

Accept the principles of the rule of law (i.e. don't launch illegal invasions of your neighbours, and don't conduct sham elections).​

​

According full human rights and fundamental freedoms to all persons within its jurisdiction (i.e don't have state enforced discrimination against certain groups).​

​

Collaborate sincerely and effectively in the realisation of the aim of the Council (i.e. don't start a frenching land war in continental Europe).​

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If Russia wants to be in a club, it needs to play by the rules of that club. Otherwise it gets excluded. It's RUSSIA'S fault it got kicked out.

As a future colony of China they will
have fewer options.

Nobody is about to step in to
save them.

 

[Hans Blaster]

They escaped from an active war zone.

And russia has kept them separated from their children and won't let them go back to Ukraine? That is the implication of the statements you just made.

 

[Hans Blaster]

If you want the war to end,
we may need to talk to the Russians.

What makes you think I want the war to end right now with Russia still occupying captured land, etc.?

 

[Love365]

What makes you think I want the war to end right now with Russia still occupying captured land, etc.?

Maybe end the war before Asian countries start sending troops to help Russia.

 

[Gene2memE]

If you want the war to end,
we may need to talk to the Russians.

Russia knows everyone's positions. They were communicated, as nauseum, in 2021 and 2022.

The time for talk was BEFORE Russia invaded Ukraine.

Now Russia needs to live with the consequences of it's illegal invasion. Russia needs more sanctions, and Ukraine needs more support from the West to defend itself against Russian aggression.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Maybe end the war before Asian countries start sending troops to help Russia.

Why on Earth would they do that? (And an Asian country is already at war with Ukraine -- Russia)

 

[Love365]

Why on Earth would they do that? (And an Asian country is already at war with Ukraine -- Russia)

An endless war on the border between Europe and Asia,
could easily pull more countries into it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

An endless war on the border between Europe and Asia,
could easily pull more countries into it.

If only the front could be pushed back to the Urals...

 

[7thKeeper]

They escaped from an active war zone.

No, they were forcefully moved into Russia, taken from their families and put into literal education camps.
And lets put even that nonsense aside for a moment. You even admitted that "some of them have parents in Ukraine." And claimed that some of them have parents in Russia without any evidence of such. How do you morally square taken children forcefully from their parents, since you admit that some of those kids have parents in Ukraine?

 

[Love365]

No, they were forcefully moved into Russia, taken from their families and put into literal education camps.
And lets put even that nonsense aside for a moment. You even admitted that "some of them have parents in Ukraine." And claimed that some of them have parents in Russia without any evidence of such. How do you morally square taken children forcefully from their parents, since you admit that some of those kids have parents in Ukraine?

When there is a peace treaty ending the war,
DNA tests can be done to prove who the parents are.

Many would be returned to Ukraine.

 

[Hans Blaster]

When there is a peace treaty ending the war,
DNA tests can be done to prove who the parents are.

Many would be returned to Ukraine.

That would defeat Russia's purpose in taking them in the first place. They believe (Putin and his propagandists) that Ukraine is not a real country and Ukrainians are just "confused Russians". The whole point of the kidnapping is to turn Ukrainian children into Russians. Russia is going to have to be *forced* to give them back. Russia's whole project for this invasion is to make Ukraine non-existent and reclaim all of its people, culture, land, and resources for Russia where Putin thinks it all belongs. This information has been available for a long time if you look carefully.

 

[Whyayeman]

Now I know what a conversation with AI is like.

Not terribly intelligent.

 

[Love365]

Now I know what a conversation with AI is like.

Not terribly intelligent.

Like just throwing money and weapons at a problem.

And ignoring any chance for peace talks.

 

[Whyayeman]

Like just throwing money and weapons at a problem.

And ignoring any chance for peace talks.

I don't think there is any likelihood of peace talks. Neither side wants to negotiate. Negotiations inevitably bring about compromise and there is no compromise in sight.

Ukraine wants the Russian army out of Ukraine. Russian wants to control Ukraine.

 

[Red Gold]

Which would defeat the whole purpose of the EU.

it would

 

[Love365]

I don't think there is any likelihood of peace talks. Neither side wants to negotiate. Negotiations inevitably bring about compromise and there is no compromise in sight.

Ukraine wants the Russian army out of Ukraine. Russian wants to control Ukraine.

At some point Congress will be asking for an exit strategy.

 

[Hans Blaster]

At some point Congress will be asking for an exit strategy.

I doubt Russia will provide the US Congress with an exit strategy.

 

[Whyayeman]

At some point Congress will be asking for an exit strategy.

There is already a strategy. there are no American troops in the theatre.