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December 8, 2025

Our Morning Offering – 8 December – Immaculate! Immaculate! By Fr Faber

Our Morning Offering – 8 December – Immaculate! Immaculate! By Fr Faber

Our Morning Offering – 8 December – “The Month of the Divine Infancy and the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary” and The Feast of the Immaculate Conception Immaculate! Immaculate!By F…

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One Minute Reflection – 8 December ‘ … Pure and Immaculate Virgin, chosen from among all other beings … ‘

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Immaculate Conception propers & commentary (EF)

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The Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary propers & commentary (EF)

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December 8 – The Immaculate Conception of the Most Blessed Virgin propers & commentary (EF)

December 8 – The Immaculate Conception of the Most Blessed Virgin

At length, on the distant horizon, rises, with a soft and radiant light, the aurora of the Sun which has been so long desired. The happy Mother of the Messias was to be born before the Messias hims…

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Rev. Fr. Leonard Goffine's Instruction on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary

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Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary - December 08, 2025 - Liturgical Calendar

Today is the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception of Mary, the solemn dogma defined by Blessed Pope Pius IX in 1854. As Our Lady Immaculately Conceived is the patroness of the United States of America, this is a holy day of obligation in the United States. Through the centuries the Church

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The Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary

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The Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary is the Church’s celebration of the unique grace given to Mary from the first moment of her existence.

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December 8th, 2025: She Will Crush Your Head; Immovable Column of the Immaculate Conception; Who Are You, Immaculate?; The Positive Meaning of the Immaculate Conception

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Pope John Paul II’s Last Sermon on the Immaculate Conception

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HOLY MASS ON THE OCCASION OF THE 150th ANNIVERSARY OF THE DOGMA OF THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY HOMILY OF JOHN PAUL II Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary Wednesday, 8 December 2004 "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!" (Lk 1: 28). We...

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Tallis’ Gaude Gloriosa

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For this Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception - and a blessed one may it be - here is the opening section to a motet to the glorious Virgin Mother of God by the great English Thomas Tallis (the full motet runs to 18 minutes or so). The manuscript dates from either late in the reign

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CLEEB · 2025-12-08T05:01:50-0600

Jan001 said:
The Great Tribulation in Matthew 24:15-22 was in the first century AD.

“So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; 17 let him who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house; 18 and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. 19 And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

According to Jesus, the desolating sacrilege standing in the holy place will be the Roman armies that will soon be encamped around Jerusalem within this generation. These armies were comprised of soldiers from the many nations of the Roman Empire.

Luke 21:20-24 But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it; 22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all that is written. 23 Alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! For great distress shall be upon the earth and wrath upon this people; 24 they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The two witnesses that the disobedient Jews rejected were the law and the prophets, which were symbolized by Moses and Elijah. Luke 9:28-37
The Old Testament foretold Jesus the Messiah's birth, death, and resurrection. Luke 24:44

Dan1988 · 2025-12-08T05:01:47-0600

Studyman said:
Well there you go then. You don't need Jesus or His Warnings or Peter's teaching, as you are already there, based on your own words. JW's also teach the same about themselves. Calvinists too. And Catholics, and Mormons and SDA. All claiming they live by the one true gospel and are members of the only true church as they compete against one another for contributing members.

For me, I still need Jesus and I still need His Instruction and His warnings, and the Teaching HE gave me through His Prophets and Apostles, because I am a corruptible human, surrounded by an evil world that "professes to know God" but are disobedient to Him.

"Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

It might be prudent to remind you that the "Very Elect" takes Heed of the "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, that they are not deceived. You promoted this to SB. "We can only obey after we are born again and receive the Holy Spirit, and it is the Holy Spirit who leads us and enables us to obey."

Peter, in my understanding, wasn't deceived when the Spirit of Christ had him write down the Words I posted, that you refused to even to acknowledge.

You seem to have your reward. Good for you. I'm still seeking it.

That's right I don't need Jesus or His warnings, because I already have Him. I would only need Him if I didn't already have Him. I don't need Peters teachings, because I already know what He taught.

I'm very much aware of the fact that the majority o professing Christians reject the awful truth of the gospel. And I already know they are in for a horrible shock on judgement day.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying "I still need Jesus and His instructions and warnings". I don't know of anyone who claimed we no longer need Him. Salvation is not a one time deal and then we run off to live your best lives now.

How on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that "If" means "it is"??? your theology is riddled with inconsistencies. The Lord said "if it were possible" meaning that it's not possible but you twist it to mean that it's not only possible but probable and that is twisting Gods Word upside down.

You reckon, your seeking, but God's Word tells us >>> Romans 3:10-12 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one".

As you can see, Gods Word states there are none who seek, but you reckon that's not right because you're actively seeking.

Robban · 2025-12-08T04:57:29-0600

Kjelete said:
Everyday, something new and mean stuff is coming from American online. For example that unemployed people drain the system. That's how I understand it from you. Now it's like your dream of a society where everyone works will never happen, a kind of utopia. The reason I'm writing is because my mother worked in a factory for 32 years or something, and got a medal, and my father has worked for about 30 years also in different places, woke up to the same alarm every day for 30 years, yet they are treated degradingly when we are out because they "just" go there.

Its fun to be mean perhaps, I never understand it, but americans have to kinda weirdos to put all this nonsense out there. I'm always treated well because I've sung so much, but I think it's a bit the opposite of what it should be, maybe then, I've learned a lot on my own, worked hard, but I think 30 years in a factory is tougher

Well, we are 8 billion +and no one can carry all the burdens of the world.

We are all good at something even factory work, best is to do what you are good at. makes life more stressless.

Trust in God conduct oneself with integrity, and the One above will take care of everything.

"Think good and it will be good."
The Rebbe.

prodromos · 2025-12-08T04:56:18-0600

Apple Sky said:
No, it's about the truth.

Truth is a person, the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity, our Lord, God and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
He barely gets a mention in these threads.

RamiC · 2025-12-08T04:53:31-0600

Dan1988 said:
My Minister, is appointed by the Lord, to teach me, to lead me and to watch over me, just as a Shepherd watches over his flock. The Lord raised him up and ordained him for this purpose, so I am obliged to submit myself to his authority because he is responsible to God for my soul.

That is your private opinion.

Dan1988 said:
Being a member of the Body of Christ, means that I'm a sheep and my Minister is the Shepherd. So I don't have the authority to challenge his teaching, so when He instructs me to have no fellowship with those who reject the gospel, then I must obey or, face disciplinarily action, including excommunication.

May look at Point 4 on this link - "God Is Fear"? 10 Signs That Your Church is Becoming A Cult — #Christianity #Jesus #Bible — Dr. Eitan Bar | Bible Scholar .

Dan1988 said:
To understand what the Lord Jesus meant by saying "love your enemy", you first need to understand what the word "love" means. I'd suggest you do a bible study on what it means, but I'll just give you a brief overview here>>>

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 "Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things".

No avoiding people or face disciplinary measures then.

Dan1988 said:
I still don't know what point you were trying to make,

Agreed.

johnnypapa · 2025-12-08T04:51:13-0600

12/08/25 Day 5

O St. Lucy, whose name proclaims the radiance of light, we approach you with humble confidence to seek your holy intercession. Obtain for us, through your prayers, that sacred illumination which guides our souls away from the shadows of sin and leads us toward the brightness of virtue.

Obtain for us also these petitions which we offer to you in this novena:

[Mention your petitions now]

We beseech you, St. Lucy, through your powerful advocacy before the throne of the Lamb, the protection of our eye sight, and for the grace to employ our eyes always in service of God’s glory and never for that which offends His divine majesty.

Help us to perceive with clarity the truths of our faith and the needs of our neighbor, that we may walk steadfastly in the light of Christ and labor earnestly for the salvation of souls.

Pray for us, St. Lucy, that having honored you as our advocate in this earthly pilgrimage, we may one day behold with you the eternal splendor of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ our Lord, in whose divine light all shadows flee away forever. Amen.

rebornfree · 2025-12-08T04:46:54-0600

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Servus · 2025-12-08T04:42:07-0600

Larniavc said:
As I can't see the dates I'll put money on these being yet another fake picture that some folks accept without the most remedial of fact checking.

Here you go:

Mexican Navy seizes 9,700 pounds of cocaine after high-speed boat chases caught on video

Dramatic video from the Mexican Navy shows two high-speed chase across the Pacific Ocean that ended with a massive cocaine bust.

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Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T04:34:56-0600

Welcome @Factotum :wave:

RamiC · 2025-12-08T04:33:51-0600

I get asked when I "found out" that there was no "Santa" all the time, by people who regard it as an inevitable tragic moment in every childhood. These same people have children in their families who are being told the tale. Why do they do it? Why would you tell your own children this thing, knowing and expecting them to be distraught when they found out it is not true?

I was told that it was a puzzle that the grown ups were setting, and I should try to solve it. The year that I was 11 I announced that I thought I had solved it. I said that there is really a Saint Nicholas, who was known for giving gifts, but there is not really a flying sledge, he is not fat, and the red suit thing is an American cola advert. I figured it had been a fun game, I learned that Jesus was the entire purpose of Christmas as we do it at our house, and while we can quietly leave others to do things their own way, we should and did keep the most questionable Pagan and pointless materialist habits out of it. There was no sense of tragedy or betrayal there, it was more a small rite of passage. In a country where there are people who celebrate the Winter Solstice according to pre-Christian beliefs it was a lesson to learn.

We did also know an atheist family, they told their son that Santa was a game, which made perfect sense to him since he was always being taught to doubt everything that could not be proved with science, and Christmas in their home was a simple matter of stay away from all others and play games. He never had a moment of tragic, distressing enlightenment about it either.

Douggg · 2025-12-08T04:23:28-0600

@keras,

How can you not understand this ?

Aggie · 2025-12-08T04:09:31-0600

Anybody remember me? I was a regular on this forum from 2004 until 2018, after which I mostly moved on to other things. I don't plan on becoming a regular here again, but I'm back for the time being to ask about a recent piece of evolutionary anthropology news.

https://x.com/OriginsUnveiled/status/1964040999468224774

According to this analysis, when the human and chimpanzee genomes are compared while including portions that hadn't previously been sequenced, their similarity drops from the commonly given 98% value to 84.7%. On the surface this seems valid, and the conclusion has been accepted by Jerry Coyne, who is qualified to evaluate it. Jerry Coyne's post from yesterday is what brought this analysis to my attention.

But there is something odd about this conclusion: it's virtually identical to an argument made in 2012 by Jerry Bergman and Jeffrey Tomkins in the Journal of Creation. Bergman and Tomkins' 2012 argument was that when human and chimpanzee genomes are compared using data typically omitted from these comparisons, the percentage similarity drops to somewhere in the 81-87 percent range. Either the recent analysis by "Origins Unveiled" is an example of a major creationist claim being vindicated by mainstream evolutionary anthropology, or it's a very clever false flag operation by a creationist or Intelligent Design proponent, which was convincing enough for even Jerry Coyne to be fooled.

Looking more closely, I've noticed a few other possible red flags. First, the argument made by "Origins Unveiled" (and accepted by Jerry Coyne) is based on a paper published in Nature on April 9th. The exact same argument made by "Origins Unveiled"—that this paper shows the creationist figure of 81-87% to be correct—was previously made six months ago by Casey Luskin of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture. And second, "Origins Unveiled" is a relatively new Twitter account (registered in 2024) without any identifying information, aside from that they were a were considering a Ph.D in evolutionary anthropology until they quit due to "the rampant political correctness I witnessed among professors and students in potential university programs". Some of the account's other posts include accurate summaries of evolutionary anthropology concepts, but a fair number of creationists have legitimate PhDs and have published mainstream biology or geoscience research, so the ability to accurately explain these concepts doesn't prove the account's provenance either way.

I would like some help evaluating whether the "Origins Unveiled" Twitter account is for real, and whether it's a coincidence that they've reached the same conclusion as Luskin (and also previously Bergman and Tomkins), or whether this Twitter account is being operated someone associated with the Discovery Institute who's posing as an evolutionary anthropologist. I suppose it's also possible that this account belongs to a creationist or ID proponent but that the substance of their argument is still correct. I'm aware of one other case where a creationist objection (not to the theory evolution itself, but to the way it's been presented in textbooks) turned out to be valid.

romansroad · 2025-12-08T04:08:17-0600

No I am not still taking them, and haven’t in a long. I had another knee surgery this year and they weren’t a problem. When it seemed I had one surgery after another, I started to take them to create the feeling of happiness in the midst of my depression and scrupulosity. There was a period of 10 years I was out of work for 5 because of surgeries. It was a hard time for our family. It may be discipline, which I would welcome because that could mean God is still with me. Or just the absence of Him altogether. I cannot bear that thought.

sjastro · 2025-12-08T04:08:02-0600

stevevw said:
All I know is he selected one example and ignored the rest. Thats not dealing with the evidence. Qoute mining over one bit of my evidence is not dealing with the evidence.

The same science tells us the forensics of those marks. This then gives evidence that some other knowledge and tech was used. The science even tells us the possible method or what it took to make the mark. The science shows us that melting or softening stone takes a particular knowledge. It verified that the stone was melted and softened.

Get through your thick skull you have not presented a shred of evidence of anything in this thread that supports your nonsense.

The sheer stupidity is for you give lectures to educated individuals in this thread who at the very least know what evidence means.
Evidence is physical in nature, it is measurable and/or observable not your idiotic definition where it is derivable and interpretable according to one's bias.

When it comes to melted or softened stone in the case of Egyptology there is not a shred of evidence of any physical changes occurring when subjected to petrological testing as shown in my previous post.

If concentrating on Egypt is too narrow by all means supply petrological tests for any of your non Egyptian images showing the rock has been physically changed.
Otherwise as you have demonstrated images are subject to interpretation where bias not evidence is the determining factor.

Stopped_lurking · 2025-12-08T03:58:25-0600

stevevw said:
Your assumption was more that 'a boat was put out of play'. You implied that the boat being put out of play was in an innocent situation which should not have been attacked. You did not make a neutral assumption of innocence or guilt.

You are straight up misrepresenting my position, here. To me it is irrelevant if they are innocent or not (of what?). Once their boat is incapacitated, they have a right to stay afloat and call for help.

stevevw said:
You assumed guit in the language you are using.

Yes, killing those in peril is bad in my eyes.

stevevw said:
And the same people who are privy to the actual intel state that nothing illegal was done. It has been the same protocol used in these situations for past presidents and military and it has never been questioned.

What second strikes on an incapacitated smuggling boat, have been done earlier?

stevevw said:
Now some Woke ideologues want to make a big noise about it because they hate Trump and his admin.

Take it up with them.

stevevw said:
You are using every bit of info and then assuming guilt. You don't know the intel. You think that a capsized boat means innocent parties which is an assumption.

Innocence or not is irrelevant to me, how many times do I have to tell you?

stevevw said:
Even the way you word it implies guilt.

Only in the sense that I feel that at sea, persons are to be helped if they are in need.

stevevw said:
Your not neutral and have an axe to grind.

No.

stevevw said:
So, that doesn't mean they were not trying. This is what I mean. You take 'no radio signal' and immediate assume innocence.

I have already stated that I think they even have a right to call for help.

stevevw said:
Every single little bit of info interpreted as guilty.

You are the one talking about guilt and innocence, not me.

stevevw said:
Its blantantly biased and you can see it in the particular words used.

Like what words?

stevevw said:
See your doing ot again. Using the idea of a 'capsized boat' in isolation as though it could be some fisherman stranded to imply a certain meaning to "capsized boat". Its blantant bias.

Smuggler or fisherman, makes no difference to me.

Let me guess, you've never been part of any Marine Rescue society?

stevevw said:
But that did not happen did it. Neither happened. The drug boats were not stopped and the drug problem got worse on the streets. A double wrong. So if the stopping of the drug boats saves 1,000 lives is that good.

stevevw said:
Its an ethical dilemma. If people want to complain about the wrong of killing terrorist who are poisoning 1,000s of people systemically through the allowance of druhgs flowing into the nation at unrecedented levels.

Then people can complain about the moral wrong of not doing anything and the actions that the Dems contributed to making the problem much worse. Thus being responsible for those deaths.

How is this relevant for ordering a second strike on an incapacitated boat?

stevevw said:
Thats unreal. Its too late and in situations like terrorism there is no stopping them. For evey one you stop 10 replace them. Its like saying that if we tell Hamas very sternly or place a sanction on them that they will happily stop.

Its funny how those complaining suddenly now appeal to interdiction when they never bothers for years.

Talk to them then, why do you say this is response to me?

FYI, drug smugglers are still being interdicted and there have always been people thinking that it is important.

stevevw said:
Thats like we keep pouring water into a bucket with a hole in it. The entire system is broken and it doesn't work. The softly, softly approach that was taken in the name of interdiction is what caused the problem. Now it time for tougher measures to stop it before it completely undermines things.

What I find telling is that the people who are calling for all these moral hoops to jump through are the ones who made the problem and now they want to be the moral police.

Why are you saying this in response to me? I didn't create the problem.

stevevw said:
Oh I see so let the terrorist call for help and wait until the backup comes and then engage. Hum I am glad you are not leading the miliary.

stevevw said:
I did not realise they were taking drug boats out back then.

They didn't, they interdicted them.

stevevw said:
Whatever they did it sure did not work because they kept coming and increasing. Its funny as this is the same government who let in 20 million unchecked people who are now causing much chaos.

Relevance?

stevevw said:
I have nothing against the Dems and want them to be at their best to make for a good and health democracy. But they are not at their best in recent years and have become radicalised. Maybe thats a sign of the times and identity politics. .

Poor old Barak.

You don't know the intell. It may be that they have tracked all the intell and know exactly what processes they were dealing with and how these drug were making their way to the US. You don't know and yet you are claiming to know like you are one of the agents lol.

That video is just the media release version. They also have the classified versions which will have all sorts of intell and angles ect.

I can only go with the information we have. The video of the second strike hasn't been released to the media (yet!), have it?

stevevw said:
Go back and look at the terror hits by Biden and Obama on buildings and vehicles. They often had two and three strikes at the same targets. This is playing general from an armchair and applying one rule to some and not others.

I don't care if you think they are as bad. I'm no Democrat. I just think it is really really bad to target individuals clinging to a capsized boat, regardless if they are fishermen or smugglers.

The Liturgist · 2025-12-08T03:17:00-0600

Xeno.of.athens said:
The Law, as revealed by God and fulfilled in Christ, serves as a moral compass and pedagogical guide for the Christian faithful. It includes the Mosaic Law, especially the Decalogue, and finds its perfection in the New Law of the Gospel. “The Law has become our tutor unto Christ” (Galatians 3:24), and its enduring moral precepts are reaffirmed by the Church as binding. The Catechism teaches that “the Old Law is a preparation for the Gospel” and “remains necessary for man” as it “denounces and discloses sin” (CCC §1963–1964).

The Ten Commandments, given to Moses on Sinai (Exodus 20:1–17), are “fundamentally immutable” and “engraved by God in the human heart” (CCC §2072). They express the natural law and are reaffirmed by Christ, who deepens their meaning in the Sermon on the Mount (cf. Matthew 5–7). The Commandments are not abolished but fulfilled in charity: “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). They are the foundation of Christian moral life, guiding the faithful in their duties toward God and neighbour.

For the Christian in this world, the Law and Commandments are not burdens but paths to freedom and holiness. Grace enables their fulfilment, and the Spirit writes them anew on the heart (cf. Jeremiah 31:33; CCC §1965–1966). The faithful are called to interiorise the Law, living it not merely by external observance but through love: “Love is the fulfilment of the law” (Romans 13:10). Thus, the Commandments remain essential, not as relics of legalism, but as living expressions of divine wisdom and the way of life in Christ.

By the way, its amusing that despite you affirming this, and despite the fact that your church is responsible for the majority of worship services celebrated on the seventh day, some sabbatarian members still accuse the Roman Catholic Church falsely of teaching people to break the Ten Commandments, when this is demonstrably, evidently false.

Angelina G · 2025-12-08T03:14:54-0600

Priscilla

The Liturgist · 2025-12-08T03:13:21-0600

peter2 said:
i agree, but i wouldn't find useless to assume Mary was supported (and may be supported the apostles) by her belief during the three days of death. As called Peter, i assume the apostle (Peter) must have felt sheepish of his denials before her, even after resurrection, at least up until Jesus gives him back the leadership over his shep, may be still when waiting for the Holy Spirit.
i wonder whether it's not in what preceeds that part of this motherhood of Mary Jesus gives to John (indirectly to Peter) consists

Indeed - this is an interesting point.

You might enjoy reading the Orthodox theotokia, particularly the stavrotheotokia, the hymns venerating the Blessed Virgin Mary at the foot of the Cross.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-08T03:11:44-0600

Yarddog said:
I didn't say that.

You didn’t have to

Angelina G · 2025-12-08T02:53:20-0600

prayers

Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T02:41:46-0600

Noah's Rainbow

Stopped_lurking · 2025-12-08T01:58:41-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Does Finnish laws require that they "fall in-line" with certain precepts in order to maintain certain tax benefits or receive certain grants?

That's an honest question, I'm not familiar with those kinds of legal frameworks for Finland.

I know for Denmark, they passed a law in 2012 that said that a State church (any that carry the label of Church of Denmark) isn't allowed to opt out of performing Same Sex marriages, and if a particular clergymen refuses, the local bishop has to appoint a replacement.

But wasn't sure if all of the nordic countries were the same in that regard.

From my understanding not even the Lutheran protestant church in Finland requires churches to marry same-sex couples. In Sweden the Lutheran church does, but not because they are required by law (it's no longer a state church, it was decided in Kyrkomötet.). No churches are by law forced to marry same-sex couples, neither Orthodox or Catholic churches does it and I can only recall one imam that does it. I think the Norwegian church also does marry same-sex, however I'm not certain if they are required by law (I don't believe so, because they are not longer a state church either iirc).

Edited to add.
No law in Norway either, the Norwegian church decided to do same-sex marriages in a vote in 2016.

I think that the danish state church, is the only one that is an actual state church today. In the other countries the largest churches have a kind of de facto position in society due to their size, and long history, and old buildings etc. In Finland there is also a higher position for the Orthodox church I guess due to the shared history with Russia before independence (but it is very small).

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