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Trump’s team sees Europe’s ‘erasure.’

We talked earlier about George W Bush being an ideologue in regards to globalization and Social Justice, and we've watched those ideological aspects increase into the current wokism of today, leading to Donald Trump...

Perhaps it's time to consider our options in how we educate, and how those with higher education, as teachers, affect our young, and decide if political/ideological activism in education is snowballing out of control, and creating increased polarization.
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Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

Does Heb 10:1 say the Sabbath law was a shadow or does it say something else. I am a firm believer of not adding to the Scriptures on what it does not say but allowing the Bible to interpret Itself.
Oh, how I wish that were true. Everywhere there is a verse that tells us to keep the commandments of God, you interpret that as being the ten Commandments. In 1Jn3: 4 (Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.) you tell us that those words mean the Ten Commandments. Your "interpretations" are surely adding to scripture.
The New Covenant according to God is having His laws now written in the heart and mind of the New Covenant believer's heart. Heb8:10

There again, you interpret that as being the Ten Commandments
and only God can define His laws, which He did Exo20:6, it is His Testimony Exo31:18 and as the Scripture you posted indicated, the entire Bible is about the testimony of God through His apostles and prophets. And who has a greater testimony than God Himself. No one.
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Are those ten that follow that statement mean that God didn't continue to give the Israelites any more commands????? How do you get off ignoring the remainder of the Law?
Weird thing to say to a stranger and only God knows anyone's spiritual state so I say its best to let God be God to judge ones heart and to define His laws and Scripture.

Yes and once in Christ if we love Him He says keep My commandments and gives us a Helper, the Spirit of Truth so we don't have to do it alone John14:15-18
So SB, do you believe you, at some point, will stop sinning and stand alone without your redeemer? Is Jesus telling us that if we believe in Him, we will be able to live without sinning, or that His blood will cover our mistakes?
Everyone has to have a conversion in Christ in order to be part of the second resurrection if we are not alive when He returns

This applies to everyone, and while no one can keep God's laws on their own, through Christ all things are possible including keeping His commandments John14:15-18 Rev14:12 Rev22:14
The great command Jesus gave is a new one. He kept all the commands that a Jew was responsible to keep and in Jn15 asks us to keep His new command to LOVE OTHERS AS HE LOVES US. He certainly was not telling mankind to observe all that He observed.
I think you are reading your own doctrine into the Scriptures. No one should dwell on sinning, but if our heart is changed, the outward part would be too and the commandments would be kept.
How is that going for you?
Again, no one can in their own power but with God, He promises He has a people who overcomes. We can read all about this in Revelation which is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Jesus, the great ambassador to the Gentile nations, the one Jesus trusted with spreading the New and better Covenant, admitted He was a sinner.
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Erika Kirk slams conspiracy theories

We get it. You think that Kirk's wife and children do not deserve peace and dignity because of Charlie's views.
It is her choice to carry on with the organization he built and presumably she shares his views. Also, she has put herself in the spotlight willingly since his death.
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State leaders speak out about plans to expand the Islamic Academy of Alabama

No, apparently what it is is that we aren't supposed to criticize any information you present about what goes on anywhere even if we have been there ourselves and you haven't.
Except they haven't experienced those places. As has been pointed out umpteen times the criticism id not about all Muslims. It is about Islamists. And many who have been to Muslim places have no idea what goes on behind their backs. We need Muslims who have left to tell us. Its no different than if a child is abused in private and later tells their story and people who knew their abuser had no idea. They seemed like good people. They had them for dinner and served their community. But behind their backs they were doing something different.

And in the case of some of these countries we know they are filled with abusers. We are fools to allow them into our home.
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A hundredfold - what does it mean?

4 Again he began to teach beside the sea. And a very large crowd gathered about him, so that he got into a boat and sat in it on the sea, and the whole crowd was beside the sea on the land. 2 And he was teaching them many things in parables, and in his teaching he said to them: 3 “Listen! Behold, a sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seed fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured it. 5 Other seed fell on rocky ground, where it did not have much soil, and immediately it sprang up, since it had no depth of soil. 6 And when the sun rose, it was scorched, and since it had no root, it withered away. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked it, and it yielded no grain. 8 And other seeds fell into good soil and produced grain, growing up and increasing and yielding thirtyfold and sixtyfold and a hundredfold.” 9 And he said, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

English Standard Version Catholic Edition (n.p.: Augustine Institute, 2019), Mk 4:1–9.

I wonder if my brothers and sisters would like to comment on this passage.

What Child is This? A Journey Through the Nativity

I’ve put together a Christmas presentation titled “What Child Is This? - A Journey Through the Nativity.” It’s a quiet, scripture‑rooted walk through the birth of Jesus, from the angel’s announcement to the worship of the shepherds and the Magi. My hope is that it brings peace, reflection, and a blessing to each one of you who views it.

If it blesses you, feel free to share it with others this season. May the Lord Jesus Christ be glorified.

Link: What Child is This? A Journey Through the Nativity

Boston-area pastor refuses to remove anti-ICE Nativity scene, seeks meeting with archbishop

The pastor should be removed from the parish by his bishop.
Hard disagree

ICE is separating children from their mothers on the thinnest of evidence and the flimsiest of reasons.

We, as Christians, are required to stand up and say something.

Recipts so I don't have to put up with people claiming I'm just some kind of lying lair:




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The Great Judgment is coming

2025 rapidly drawing to a close...futurists have bee singing this same tune of "Soon" on this board since I joined over 25 years ago... 2030 will be here soon enough... then 2040 will come and go too... and it'll still be soon, because for futurism to be true, words must mean the opposite of what they actually mean.
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Leo and Bartholomew in Nicaea A reunification of Orthodoxy with Catholicism could remind each of what was lost in the schism.

Couple of things:

1) Historically, the break between Orthodox and Catholic seems to have more to do with the Western Church being unable to come to grips with a mystical view of itself. What I mean by this is that the Western Church simply couldn't figure out how to fit the unexplainable into a framework it was comfortable with.

What really cause the problem that caused the schism with the concept of the Trinity.

As a practical matter, this distrust of the mystical is uniquely Western. The Greeks were much better at dealing with rationality vs mystical, but Western Europeans, not so much. Of course, this dependence on rationality is the basis for Western success in the creation of a cohesive and highly successful culture.

United, the two churches could create a more vibrant theology than either has.

or not.

Who knows ?

But I'd like to see it as I think it would recreate the original Christian culture before it was usurped by Rome. Or something approximating it anyway.

2) The whole chess analogy in this article seems kind of forced.

3) It's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works, that's nobodies business but the Turks.
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Citizens are fed up with Dem-invited migrants that have disdain for US law and culture

This is about the plight of poor, sick and disenfranchised immigrants seeking help in the U.S. Twisting scripture to undermine the number one mandate given to us by Jesus Christ of Nazareth is well...frankly...heart breaking.
I am not twisting scripture. I am merely quoting it. I am pointing out that our mandate cannot be cherry picked to suit whatever political cause you want. That goes for everyone. The legitimacy of scripture is diluted when we decide we are going to pick and choose which ones we want to follow. Its diluted even more when we pick and choose which ones we want the government to enforce. We shouldn't do that. That is nothing more than you deciding what kind of Theocracy you want.

Jesus commands are for YOU. You should help the poor. You should help the needy. He does not command governments to. If anyone is twisting scriptures it is those who try and use it for political purposes to force others to care for illegal immigrants whether they want to or not.
Your argument represents a particular interpretation of the relationship between religious obligation and civil law, but it is one that runs contrary to a significant and widely accepted theological understanding of Christian imperatives, especially regarding compassion and social justice.
Incorrect. You and far too many Christian liberals are the ones who are intertwining religious obligation and civil law. Can you please quote Christ or any apostle who says the religious obligations of followers of Christ ought to be codified and enforced by law?

Neither Christ nor the apostles said anything about social justice. That is nothing more than liberal political nonsense. And it does violence to the actual mandates of scripture. The greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart. Are you for forcing that upon civil law?
He commanded us to care for the vulnerable , full stop!
He commanded YOU to do it. It was not a mandate for governmental law. You give out of your own pocket, not someone else's.
While Christian theology generally mandates obedience to governing authorities, this obedience is typically understood to be limited when a human law directly compels an action that violates an explicit, primary command of God, such as the command to show mercy and help the needy.
Thanks for sharing.
Except that scripture also commands other things as well. As I pointed out. Its a violation to pick and choose which ones you want to follow. And its also a violation of scripture to cherry pick which ones you want the government to enforce.

You are commanded to help the needy and to love God by obeying all his commandments. That is for you to do.

If you were trying to give water to the thirsty and the government told you, you can't then you should disobey the government.

Mercy does NOT negate consequences for illegal acts. If someone murdered your loved one you may show them mercy by forgiving them. But that doesn’t mean the government is now obligated to release them.

Justice and mercy are what we should be seeking. And if you are demanding mercy then you should also be demanding justice. Illegals should be rounded up for disobeying the law. They should be treated humanely, given food, water, medical treatment, and their needs should be covered. Then they should face the consequences of their illegal acts and be deported.

8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

15 “ ‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.
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Judge dismisses James Comey and Letitia James cases, finding prosecutor's appointment invalid

I think the grand jury is potentially focused on preserving the nation's anti-Trump agenda.

...of course you want to believe that.

Instead of trusting a jury of your fellow citizens, you question their motives because you don't like their decision.
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Ultra-processed foods fueling chronic diseases, mental illnesses globally: study

A growing consumption of ultra-processed foods such as breakfast cereals, yogurts, soda, cookies and even infant formula is fueling an increase in chronic diseases, including mental illnesses around the world, according to a global team of public health experts.

The warning comes in the form of a three-part series published in The Lancet, titled "Ultra-Processed Foods and Human Health."

A growing consumption of ultra-processed foods such as breakfast cereals, yogurts, soda, cookies and even infant formula is fueling an increase in chronic diseases, including mental illnesses around the world, according to a global team of public health experts.

The warning comes in the form of a three-part series published in The Lancet, titled "Ultra-Processed Foods and Human Health."

Continued below.
But it's the food we LOVE! The food we have been taught to love by our TVs. Oh, and our TVs now teach us to love the pharma that treats the diseases the food we love is causing in us. Get a shot (a day for the rest of your life) and eat whatever you want.
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Can a young child become a Christian?

Salvation with the associated Kingdom of God was given to John when the Heavenly Father in his grace gives him his Holy Spirit before he was born.
To believe this I have to completely ignore Romans 10 as I quoted earlier.

Along with:

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

2 Cor 7:10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All of which directly speak of Salvation - not one mentions Baptism. Which is what I was addressing
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

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I think the olive tree is the all the people of God, both Christian Jews and Christian Gentiles. I think the root of the tree is Jesus Christ.
The root of the tree are the saints before Christ, this would be all the people of GOD. THIS is similar to the building Paul described, the foundation comparable to the root and what is built on the foundation to the tree and branches. The entire structure is the church. Jesus was the stone the builders rejected that became the chief cornerstone. These two analogies are not exactly the same but the idea is there were saints before Christ, Christians before Christ. GOD worked in times past by the prophets but now only through Christ. It was in these past times that GOD did call and choose certain people and gave them HIS spirit. The people in Hebrews 11 are those people in times past, the root of the olive tree.
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Why do people hate ICE...

We Americans decide what is American just like the Irish get to decide what is Irish or the French get decide what is French. Not sure what you don’t understand about that.
I think the sticking point for most people is the idea that it is a decision instead of an emergent property of our culture. It is the "No true Scotsman" fallacy write large.
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Netflix's promotion of LGBT themes, sexual preferences in kids' shows 'pervasive': report

If a group are 1.5% of the population and yet have 41% of air time on Netflix, it isn't a representation it's an agenda. God Bless.

If we expand the statistic to include everyone who has family or friends who are gay or gender-diverse, the number rises to much more than 1.5%.

But I'll agree that part of the picture is a deliberate intention to invite viewers to see LGBTQ people as part of the normal variety of humankind.
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Other Notable Freemasons in the Space Program
Several NASA astronauts were Freemasons:
  • Buzz Aldrin, a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, was the second person to walk on the Moon. Aldrin carried a special deputation from the Grand Master of Texas to the Moon. This led to the founding of Tranquility Lodge No. 2000.
  • John Glenn, a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, was the first American to orbit the Earth. Glenn later became a U.S. Senator.
  • Leroy Gordon Cooper Jr., a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, was one of the original Mercury Seven astronauts. Cooper piloted the final Mercury mission, Faith 7.
  • Virgil "Gus" Grissom was one of the original Mercury Seven astronauts. Grissom was the second American in space. He died in the Apollo 1 fire during a launch rehearsal.
  • Edgar Mitchell was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 14. He was the sixth person to walk on the Moon.
  • James Irwin was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 15. Irwin was the eighth person to walk on the Moon.
  • Donn Eisele was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 7. This was the first crewed Apollo mission.
Kenneth S. Kleinknecht, an engineer who worked on early manned spaceflight, was also a Freemason. Kleinknecht became manager of the Command and Service Modules of the Apollo program.
You realise that you've given details of Freemasons who went to the moon - even though you're denying that anyone has been to the moon.
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Why Is It So Hard for Christians to Talk About Justice and Greed?

So the Christian question becomes simpler and more faithful: Where do I see real, biblical injustice—and what can I personally do for the person in front of me? When we discern a genuine wrong, our call is to act in love, quietly and sacrificially, just as Jesus taught. “Whatever you wished others would do to you, do also to them” (Matthew 7:12). And we do it without fanfare, because our Father “who sees in secret will reward you” (Matthew 6:4).
The only thing I'd add is that, in order to really get the things done that justice and love demand, people with those personal objectives must often join together, in a social context and united effort IOW. And with no grandstanding required or desired.
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Fellowship Distinctions in scripture associated with being born again and being filled with The Holy Spirit (Read the rule-set before you post)

No.
If you look at Acts 2, the 120 had the same thing happen that happened to Cornelius's household, they were born again then immediately filled with The Spirit. Cornelius's house was water immersed afterwards.

The process in scripture is as follows: repentance, immersion into The Holy Spirit where He applies the blood of Jesus to be born anew spiritually, water immersion in the name of Jesus, the Corneliusfiling of The Holy Spirit, and then one that many never reach for, the Spiritual anointing upon our head, ie the crown of life from The Father.
The 120 were baptized during Christs ministry. Jesus’s disciples baptized people, they baptized even more than John the Baptist. There is no other occasion where what happened with Cornelius ever happened again. Baptism was the practice of the Apostles. If you check scriptures for the word baptism or baptized or something similar you will see that it was indeed part of becoming a Christian.
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