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Hans Blaster · 2025-07-13T01:02:41-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
This is one of those incidents where people just need to concede to common sense. (even if it means :gasp: letting the other side win in certain circumstances)

While marijuana is legal in most states now (which I feel is a good thing btw)

It's not clear what the actual facts are, after all our information comes from ICE.

ThatRobGuy said:
Employing underaged, undocumented people to work in in that field, is not.

According to the article the "underage" workers were "one as young as 14". Farm work is *legal* at those ages. I worked in the fields from 14-16 in the summer many years ago.

As for their "immigration/legal" status, again all we have is ICE as told to us by FCN. We'll probably never know. There are *lots* of people that are technically deportable and can legally work (TPS, paroled asylum seekers, etc.) The news is *full* of stories of such people being removed/deported/detained or sent to the camps.

ThatRobGuy said:
This is one of those "pick your battles" situations (at least if you want objections to be taken seriously)

Gun stores are also legal in most states, if a gun store owner was employing underaged people (against the law) to process gun sale transactions, the "it's no big deal" people for this story, would think it was a much bigger deal.

My advice to more liberal people on this one is "don't take the bait".

What makes you think we care about your "advice" from the other side.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · 2025-07-13T00:42:46-0500

essentialsaltes said:
Trump defends Bondi amid internal GOP tensions over Epstein probe
Trump defended Bondi in a social media post Saturday as leadership at the Justice Department and the FBI face turmoil over its handling of the Epstein probe.

"We have a PERFECT Administration, THE TALK OF THE WORLD, and 'selfish people' are trying to hurt it, all over a guy who never dies, Jeffrey Epstein," Trump said, encouraging unity within the Republican party.

"One year ago our Country was DEAD, now it’s the 'HOTTEST' Country anywhere in the World. Let’s keep it that way, and not waste Time and Energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about," Trump said.

That's how he brainwashes people.

Rescued One · 2025-07-13T00:39:28-0500

Camp Mystic asked to remove buildings from government flood maps despite risk

The data also highlights critical risks in other areas along the Guadalupe River in Kerr County, and nationwide as many Americans have a flood risk they are not aware of.

www.vpm.org

Many cabins and buildings at the camp were already at a higher risk of flooding than previously indicated by FEMA's maps, according to an analysis by NPR, PBS's FRONTLINE and data scientists. More than two dozen campers and counselors, along with the camp's owner, Dick Eastland, died in the flash floods that swept the camp on July 4.

Valletta · 2025-07-13T00:32:08-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
I don’t and I don’t know that any child labor laws were being broken but if they were then I hope the owner of the farm is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Just the same for employing illegal employees but I doubt the former police officer who owns this massive weed farm would be subject to the same kind of treatment we’re seeing with the illegal workers that are being caught up in these raids.

I looked to see what was out there on the owner and below is the latest. The company says they don't hire minors:

Newsom donor's cannabis farm under federal investigation for 'child labor violations'

Federal authorities raided Glass House Farms for child labor violations, while records show the farm's president donated thousands to California Democrats, including Gov. Gavin Newsom.

www.yahoo.com

BNR32FAN · 2025-07-13T00:31:51-0500

Jeff Saunders said:
Look up the definition of the word kolasi as used in the time of Jesus, it was a arborist term for pruning or loping off the things that were keeping a plant from producing fruit, like i have said before the English sometimes does not get it correct, that is why we look at the Greek and try to understand how the original audience would of understand it. Again aionion does not mean eternal its only a modifier to what is the subject.

Yeah you’re not the only one who pays attention to the Greek and Hebrew definitions. Can you please post any source that supports your claim about the definition of kolasi? I can

Strong's Greek: 2851. κόλασις (kolasis) -- Punishment, correction

mindlight · 2025-07-13T00:24:39-0500

Maria Billingsley said:
The Balfour Declaration and the Zionist Movement in the early 20th century.

The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I. It announced British support for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people," with the important caveat that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine." ( unfortunatly ingored) This declaration played a crucial role in the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the eventual establishment of the State of Israel.

Later this happened: ( this is historical and well documented) .

* After 1948 (Nakba): Between 1948 and 1954, Israel systematically demolished 418 Palestinian villages, which constituted 85% of all Palestinian villages. This occurred after the establishment of the State of Israel and the displacement of a large number of Palestinians.
* After 1967 (Occupation): The process intensified significantly after Israel occupied the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza in the 1967 war.
* Within days of the 1967 conquest, the Mughrabi Quarter in front of the Western Wall in the Old City of Jerusalem was demolished, evicting 650 Palestinians from their homes to make way for a plaza.
* Three entire villages in the Latrun area (Imwas, Yalo, and Bayt Nuba) were destroyed, with their inhabitants expelled, and the area was later turned into "Canada Park."
* Since 1967, Israeli bulldozers have demolished more than 56,500 Palestinian homes.
* Punitive house demolitions, often based on British Mandate-era regulations, also became a practice after 1967, targeting homes of Palestinians suspected or convicted of attacks against Israelis.
Therefore, while the Balfour Declaration laid some groundwork for the political developments in the region, the widespread demolition of Palestinian homes began with the 1948 war and significantly increased after the 1967 occupation.

Then is happened:
The 1979 Iranian Revolution. It was only after the revolution that Iran adopted its strong pro-Palestinian stance and became a significant supporter of Palestinian groups.

Maybe you could have mentioned the holocaust and repeated attempts to exterminate the Jews by the various surrounding Arab nations and the cooperation of Palestinians with those efforts, not least on October 7th. Maybe you could have mentioned the previous oppressions and restrictions by the Ottomans that left Jews an impoverished and marginalised minority in their own land.

The British played both sides in WW1. The Balfour Declaration accompanied promises made through Lawrence of Arabia to various Arab allies in the overthrow of the Ottomans. At the end of the day, the desire for oil also clouded the Foreign Office's Judgment.

In 1979, an extremist Shia regime seized power, and modern Iranian anti-Zionism dates from that time. The Palestinians are pawns, and the Iranians have no problem in using them as human shields, to die in large numbers, to make Israel look bad.

The Liturgist · 2025-07-13T00:24:04-0500

rockytopva said:
The Primary Chronicle reports that in the year 987, after consultation with his boyars, Russian leader Vladimir the Great sent envoys to study the religions of the various neighboring nations whose representatives had been urging him to embrace their respective faiths. The result is described by the chronicler Nestor. Of the Muslim Bulgarians of the Volga the envoys reported there is no gladness among them, only sorrow and a great stench. He also reported that Islam was undesirable due to its taboo against alcoholic beverages and pork. Vladimir remarked on the occasion: "Drinking is the joy of all Rus'. We cannot exist without that pleasure." Ukrainian and Russian sources also describe Vladimir consulting with Jewish envoys, and questioning them about their religion but ultimately rejecting it as well, saying that their loss of Jerusalem was evidence that they had been abandoned by God. His emissaries also visited Roman Catholic and Orthodox missionaries. Ultimately Vladimir settled on Orthodox Christianity. In the churches of the Germans his emissaries saw no beauty; but at Constantinople, where the full festival ritual of the Byzantine Church was set in motion to impress them, they found their ideal: "We no longer knew whether we were in heaven or on earth," they reported, describing a majestic Divine Liturgy in Hagia Sophia, "nor such beauty, and we know not how to tell of it."

Remember, this beauty that St. Vladimir’s envoys experienced still exists, despite Turkish control and profanation of Hagia Sophia, in a great many Orthodox parishes and monasteries, even those which use the English language. You can see what they saw now.

More than almost anyone else, Orthodox churches focus on liturgical beauty. Historically the Roman church had some who focused on this, but there was a counterweight to this which focused on brevity and simplicity in the services (particularly in the Old Roman Rite, as opposed to the Gallican, Mozarabic and Ambrosian Rites; in antiquity, the Old Roman Rite, before it was modified with influences from the Gallican Rite and the introduction of Gregorian Chant by St. Gregory, who had been a legate in Constantinople and had learned Byzantine Chant, the Roman church largely used monotone, and the Low Mass continued to be chanted in monotone until the 900s AD when they switched to doing it in silence, except in France where the norm was organ accompaniement. And the Low Mass was where Roman Catholic laity received Communion, since at the Solemn Mass only the celebrant would communicate (this resulted in a bit of a problem in the Medieval Roman church where the high point of the liturgy was the Elevation of the Consecrated Host rather than partaking of it).

Hans Blaster · 2025-07-13T00:19:04-0500

Landon Caeli said:
I'd be more okay if Waters was just an anti-Semite. But when he became a Pro-Palestinian too, he started to seem more like a bandwagon sellout.

What if he were Pro-Palestinian, but not an anti-Semite? Would that be better or worse than "just anti-Semitic" or "both"?

Fervent · 2025-07-13T00:17:59-0500

rjs330 said:
Yeah that argument is a trope. The moment you decide to use race as an excuse you have left the realm of cogent argument into the realm of emotional victimization.

When it is said that people are coming illegally, and tge response is, "you just dint want brown people here," then one is no longer arguing whether or not people are violating the law, but instead one has no cogent answer, so one appeals to emotions. And its the worst kind of appeal because its a character assassination. Pushing people to defend themselves instead of defending the point.

So you accuse others of doing something you are doing yourself. Even though someone never even mentioned race, you do.

Immigration law has prohibitions on anyone. Not just brown people. We expect everyone to abide by the law. No one has a right to come here just because they want to. And one who comes here illegally has no right to stay. There are those who come with permission, who also may have those permissions removed.

Your trope is only based upon race. An emotional attack designated to create an emotional response. No substantive argument is used.

Your response is made of straw, as I wasn't the one who introduced the idea of race. Pointing out that a post displays a clear sense of victimization and relies on emotional argumentation is not introducing race into the equation. As I mentioned, my response to his post was not about arguing in favor or against immigration enforcement but entirely about pointing out his "argument" was purely an emotional appeal and dripping with a sense of victimization. So no, it's not a trope.

tdidymas · 2025-07-13T00:12:21-0500

ViaCrucis said:
I am reminded of Dr. Luther's sermon wherein he says, "He who sees God as angry, does not see God rightly; but is as a dark storm cloud has covered His face" We need to be very careful when talking about God's wrath. Wrath is what I behold when I see God hidden behind the dark storm cloud of His righteous glory and holiness; not when I see God revealed and shown to us face-to-face in the Incarnate Person of Jesus Christ, in particular, at the Cross.

Law and Gospel; Deus Absconditus and Deus Revelatus; these are incredibly important concepts that we need to understand exist in dichotomy.

It's not about God being angry, it's about God being holy.
It's not about God being angry, it's about us being sinful.

That's what the wrath of God is: to behold the Holy God as unholy sinners. Because the message we proclaim isn't that God is going to send people to hell unless they get their ducks in a row (and having the right religious program would be one such duck); the message we proclaim is that we are the enemies of God because of our sin. The animosity is a one way street: We hate God, God doesn't hate us. Wrath is about the truth of our condition as utterly sinful as we approach the blinding glory of the Holy God--because we can't. It is entirely too dreadful, as it is written, "It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God" not because God is angry, but because God is Holy.

-CryptoLutheran

The Luther quote you cited was him talking about Christians, not unbelievers.

And how do you define "holy" that excludes God's wrathful justice on sinners? It appears to me that you have some obsession with the exclusion of God's anger, as if you think if God is angry at sinners, then He is angry at you, because you're a sinner, and you further think that to appease God's anger you must "get your duckies in a row." That sounds like your thinking is legalistic by nature, as if you don't think of your relationship with God as friendly, as if you can't see God's grace in that relationship.

But for certain, since the Bible says, "he who does not believe will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." So from this we see that believers have a grace relationship with God, and therefore God is friendly toward all who believe; but unbelievers are unregenerate and have no interest in obeying Christ, and the wrath of God remains toward them. What distinguishes those whom God loves from those whom God is wrathful toward is whether or not they believe the gospel (and in so doing have repented of their sins).

So then, when I quote the Bible saying that God is angry toward sinners, do you think you are included in that?

ozso · 2025-07-13T00:09:03-0500

essentialsaltes said:
And then you follow up my comment about what is happening right now in America with something more than 150 years old and repudiated by modern Democrats apart from those, like the late Strom Thurmond, who eventually found their home in the GOP 60 years ago as the political winds changed.

I mean, you're not the first, but this baloney is way past its sell-by date. And everyone with a brain knows it.

That door swings both ways.

The Liturgist · 2025-07-13T00:03:16-0500

RileyG said:
So he’s only has authority in Constantinople if I understand correctly?

No, his authority is limited to those areas under Constantinopolitan jurisdiction, which include all areas of Greece that free of Turkish subjugation after the initial revolution, including Thessaloniki, Crete, Mount Athos, Patmos, and most of the islands of the Aegean Sea, and also what is left of the church in Turkey, Constantinople and Asia Minor (except there are virtually no Greeks left there due to the forced population exchange; indeed even the last church in Bursa (historically known as Chalcedon) closed when the current Archbishop of North America was Metropolitan of Bursa, leaving just those churches in Constantinople, with most remaining ethnic Greeks in Turkey living in the Phanar district of Constantinople (a complaint is that Phanariot Greeks are over-represented in the Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate vs. people from Greece, Athonite monks or people from autonomous churches under the omophorion of the EP, such as the Church of Finland, and the EP’s Estonian Church which was initially uncanonical, resulting in a rupture in EP-MP communion in 1996, but that issue, unlike the present issue in Ukraine, was resolved with the EP and MP agreeing to parallel jurisdictions.

rjs330 · 2025-07-12T23:35:55-0500

ozso said:
How so?

We had one guy, one, deported to a place he shouldn't have been deported to. One guy. And he was returned. So id like to know what illegals besides one guy who's rights were violated.

essentialsaltes · 2025-07-12T23:29:27-0500

Florida lawmakers allowed into ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ say detainees packed into cages

Two days after filing a lawsuit against Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for being “unlawfully denied entry” to inspect conditions at the facility dubbed “Alligator Alcatraz,” members of Congress and state representatives were given a limited tour Saturday to inspect conditions after calling the lack of access a “deliberate obstruction meant to hide what’s really happening behind those gates,” according to a joint statement from lawmakers.

They said they heard detainees shouting for help and crying out “libertad”— Spanish for “freedom” — amid sweltering heat, bug infestations and meager meals.

“They are essentially packed into cages, wall-to-wall humans, 32 detainees per cage,” Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who represents Florida’s 25th Congressional District, said during a news conference following their tour.

Rep. Maxwell Alejandro Frost, who was also on the tour, said the lawmakers were concerned about reports of unhygienic conditions due to toilets not working and “feces being spread everywhere,” but were denied access from viewing units where migrants are currently detained.

The wife of a 43-year-old Guatemalan man currently detained at “Alligator Alcatraz” told CNN her husband is enduring harsh conditions similar to those described by lawmakers who toured the facility. After more than two weeks in detention, she said, he has yet to see a lawyer.

ALLIGATOR MACHT FREI

keras · 2025-07-12T23:27:36-0500

Douggg said:
keras, you are quoting from the 1989 REB bible....yes ? (I think you made a typo, chapter 21, not chapter 22)

The kjv says "escape" which is very different from "pass safely through".

Thanks, I have corrected Luke 21.

The KJV and many other translations of Luke 21:36, all give the wrong impression - as though people will be removed from the terrible Day of the Lords wrath. This is impossible and proved wrong by the preceding verse: It will come upon everyone, the whole world over.

Douggg said:
Also in the kjv, it is "Watch'" as watching for the rapture to to take place.

Again, an unsuitable translation, - Be on your guard... Luke 21:34 REBible. Is a far better rendering and a 'rapture removal', there or anywhere else, is never even hinted. Just a pure figment of a fertile imagination.

Uriah S · 2025-07-12T23:19:12-0500

Running a business is daunting.

UIAUI

essentialsaltes · 2025-07-12T23:15:56-0500

Look, it's the consequences of the actions of local government. Suck it up.

Apple Sky · 2025-07-12T23:14:44-0500

Strong in Him said:
It seems to be you who is posting ridiculous posters and expecting us to believe that they are true.

Not ridiculous just funny, next they'll be sending a speed boat to zoom across the heavens ^_^

johansen · 2025-07-12T23:03:56-0500

Semper-Fi said:
"..and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of
those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’"

The Book of Enoch attests, Phanuel is the angel of repentance
unto hope of those who have inherited eternal life....?

Personally i have no problem with that one.

Its an angel that provides conviction of sin and influences people to repent.. This is something that people not yet born again experience before they receive the Holy Spirit, before they begin to even pray to Jesus for salvation.

Christians like to presume everything is Jesus and or the Holy Spirit.

Anyhow, you are missing the point.

GodDoesListen55 · 2025-07-12T23:00:08-0500

GodDoesListen55 said:
Please pray for my aunt and neighbor; thank you!

My aunt passed away on June 15ᵗʰ; I truly appreciate all of your prayers.

Valletta · 2025-07-12T22:56:15-0500

Pommer said:
There seems to be context missing here: why the sudden change in application of the laws?

Yes, Trump campaigned on getting rid of the two-tiered just system and following the law. While the most violent are a priority, and that is the way it is with law enforcement throughout the country, that does not mean all other arrests will be stopped. Large sweeps were expected, the media reported this widely:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/01/politics/trump-immigration-what-matters

Trump's mass deportation plan for undocumented immigrants could cost billions a year

Immigration experts say Donald Trump's mass deportation plan, if carried out, could be complicated and cost billions a year. It could also lead to more family separations.

www.cbsnews.com

How Trump's Mass Deportation Plan Would Hurt the United States - The Center for Migration Studies of New York (CMS)

Former President Donald Trump's mass deportation plan would harm US economic and domestic, and national security interests in several ways.

cmsny.org

Learning always · 2025-07-12T22:39:04-0500

Gustaf, if you did read stories of famous people, then you'd realise that success does not happen without struggles. And perseverance is the key. Praying and learning are very important too. I'm sure you will succeed if you persevere in doing the right things.

ArmyMatt · 2025-07-12T22:37:24-0500

The Liturgist said:
My comment was not a question but rather, I am just bewildered by that decision.

ah, gotcha

Learning always · 2025-07-12T22:23:56-0500

Hello ChristianSonic, my advice is to learn virtue.

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