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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

"Gender affirming care" (According to Medicare data) increases suicide stats by double compared to "cis gender" population.
Another stat I saw cited that almost 20% of 10 year post op transgender individuals commit suicide. (40% attempt) I think that may be the HIGHEST suicide rate in any population. (At last it's the highest stat I've ever seen.)

Suicide rates general populations:
(Veterans = 14%)
(Police = .021%)
(Incarcerated in state or federal prisons = 8%)

Your use of the phrase "suicide stats" is really vague as it's split into ideation, attempt and successful attempt. Generally, these all follow the same pattern from what I've seen but not always.
That said, a lot of the studies I've skimmed are comparing post op suicide attempts with the GENERAL population and I gotta say right off the bat, that is NOT an apprpriate comparision.
All of the stats you are quoting above is PRE-op. The link you provided didn't actually refer to "Gender affirming care" just "Gender minorities getting treatment and gender minorities with disabilities [nonspecified]. It cannot be deduced that the article was referring to "post op" individuals but seems to be referring to 'preop" phrase of their transition. Maybe I missed it?


The suicide ideation rate pre-op is 40% in trans kiddos (has has been consistent with the 4 trans people I've worked with (not really...they all had suicidal ideation).

So ....unbelievably shocking, that is somehow an improvement.


What is so utterly and completely baffling is that the regret rate for these surgeries is just, unbelievably low compared to so many other kinds of surgeries.

If this regret rate is low (and it's undeniably low), then one has to wonder if the surgery remains the problem 10 years later or if, perhaps their own belief or treatment and lack of acceptance in their society would continue to make them feel ostracized, alone and suicidal (paraphrasing a study that noted this as the likely reason).
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Corrie ten Boom: Restoration Through Forgiveness

That is wonderful to hear - what a special connection to Corrie ten Boom’s story. Her faithfulness in the midst of such trials continues to inspire so many of us. I love that you aspire to grow in faith as she did; her testimony reminds us that God’s grace can strengthen us to be faithful wherever He has placed us.
The house in Haarlem is left in its original state and is still a museum: Home | Corrie ten Boom House

Her testimony is humbling - I'm only underway and in a position of humility given past failures - but maybe that's exactly where Yeshua wants us to be.
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The Biblical Basis of 10 Catholic Distinctives

Also in Acts 16:15, whole households were baptized. Which most certainly included children and infants.
The Baptists have already won this argument a long time ago by one simple trick: THEY REDEFINE THE HISTORICAL DEFINITION OF "HOUSEHOLD" from all those living under the same roof regardless of age to only adults unless the Biblical text says there are children present. Do not believe this.

So how do we interpret Scripture here? We ask the diagnostic question(s): 1) Do the words and grammar of Scripture determine theological content and belief? 2) Or does your theological belief determine what words should mean in Scripture?

Clearly and plainly, Baptists use interpretative principle #2 when defining the word "household" due to their anti-paedo beliefs. By fiat, Baptists just declare a household can not have children living in them UNLESS THE TEXT SAYS CHILDREN ARE PRESENT! Pure eisegesis but this interpretation emotionally satisfies the Baptist belief in credobaptism. This is interpretive cheating.

Household baptisms scripturally are born from Peter's words....this promise is to you and your children (Acts 2:39). Baptists seem to ignore this passage of Scripture. A household is basically everyone leaving under the same roof regardless of age. A Baptist interpret a household as everyone leaving under the same roof except those under the Age of Accountability. How bogus!

The Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition of a household 1) those who dwell under the same roof and compose a family 2)a social unit composed of those living together in the same dwelling. And certainly the legal definition of a household: A household is composed of one or more people who occupy a housing unit. Tax filer + spouse + tax dependents = household. But of course the credo's discount this also.

The Scriptural definition of a household includes both children and servants .
  • I Tim 3:12 A deacon must be faithful to his wife and must manage his children (τέκνων) and his household (οἴκων) well.
  • I Tim 3:4 [A shepherd] must be one who manages his own household (οἴκου) well, keeping his children (τέκνα) under control with all dignity.
One passage of Scripture which gives the credos harsh criticism is I Tim. 5:8.
  • "But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.”
  • Paul is clearly talking to believers here because only a believer can become worse than an unbeliever.
  • Is Paul saying here because children are not specifically mentioned in this passage, Christian parents are exempt from providing for their smallest and youngest children?
  • Nonsense. As is the same with credo's redefining words of Scripture to match their theological bias and a futile attempt to EXPLAIN AWAY paedobaptism altogether from Scripture.
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what did the Bible teach you about death?

It taught me not to fear death, that death is not the ending but will be a beginning of an eternity in paradise.

And that a gruesome end doesn't mean that God wasn't with us. God doesn't promise us a peaceful death in a hospital bed surrounded by loved ones, we could be eaten by a shark for all we know, or get into a bad car accident.

What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?

God's omnipotence, sovereignty and omnibenevolence can allow humans to make some autonomous free will choices out of a Love for humans which can allow them to become like God Himself with Godly type Love.
God is wise enough and powerful enough to be the first cause in the creation of a free will human, who can be the first cause to a very limited number of mental choices which do not negatively impact others.
You're the one limiting God's power to making only robotic type beings.
"Robotic" is a poor designator for the result of Creation's pervasive cause-and-effect.

If you can explain how God causes self-contradictory things to happen, be my guest. Don't just assert that it is so. We do not produce anything 'ex-nihilo'. Nothing happens in a void, expect by First Cause himself.
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Independents....

It would be difficult to be independent (or centrist) on every. single. issue.
I don't think that is the point of being independent of the two big parties. I think one party is dead wrong on a bunch of things. And the other party tries to outdo them in being dead wrong in others. I was a Democrat way back when, then tried out the Republicans. So I have a clue about both parties. The Democrats changed for the worse. The Republicans have been all over the map but are currently owned by Donald Trump and I find that revolting.

I'm not centrist on everything, being free to be extreme on some things in a leftward direction and others rightward. Trying to stay studiously in the middle on every policy just doesn't fit me, but averaged out I am in the middle of the middle while the two big parties have spun out to the fringes.
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Pray societies around world are guided by The Holy Spirit to sincerely debate what aspects of gene-editing human babies are Biblical or Unbiblical

Gracious Heavenly Father and Lord Jesus,
Lord, please protect these unborn children from procedures that could harm them, and help parents to walk in the light of truth.
In Christ's Name,
Amen
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Celebrate Thanksgiving with Thanksgiving Bible/Torah verses

Here's an idea for this coming Thursday's Thanksgiving time.

You're around the table, either for lunch or dinner. Your guests are there, and who knows what they will want to talk about. But YOU are the host. You get to pick the "table topic." When everyone has had their share of roast turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, and corn, before serving the dessert, have them read and share their take on "10 Bible verses" connected with "giving thanks." What do these verses tell you? How do you personally relate to these verses?

If you have 10 guests, each guest gets a verse. If there are 5 guests, each one gets 2 verses. Do the math, divide up the verses, and let that be the "Table Talk" before dessert.

1 Thessalonians 5:18; Psalm 100:4; Psalm 9:1; Psalm 7:17 1 Chronicles 16:34; Philippians 4:6; Colossians 3:15; 4:2; James 1:17;

2 Corinthians 4:15; 1 Corinthians 15:57

Midrash "Toldot" (generations) Gen 25:19-28;9 "Jacob and Esau"

PARASHAH: TOLDOT (generations) GEN 25:19-28:9


This study starts out with the generations of Abraham and Sarah. After years of waiting and praying, they finally had Yitzchak. The legacy continues, the promise of YHVH is revealed once more, but not without testing of faith. Yitzchak and Riv'kah also had to wait, about 20 years, yet they prayed and entreated the LORD to have a child. “The prayer of the righteous prevails.” The following is from the Talmud (B. Yevamot 64: a): “Why were our ancestors barren? Because the Holy One (blessed be He) longs to bless the prayers of the righteous.”

Since Yitzchak and Riv’kah (Isaac and Rebecca) were righteous, and part of the covenant promise, YHVH (in HIS timing) answered their prayer. Does that mean that ALL prayer is answered? Yes, it is, but not always the way we want Adonai to answer it. The answer comes in three forms: Yes, No, and “later on.” The sick are prayed over, and many are healed; others are prayed for, and YHVH takes them home. It doesn't mean to stop praying or pray once; God likes “continuous prayer.” The birth of Jacob and Esau came as a surprise, “twins inside,” and the battle ensued. Yet the LORD speaks to Riv'kah, saying:

“Two nations are in your womb, two peoples shall be separated from your body; One people will be stronger than the other, and the older shall serve the younger.”

When we look at this today, we see prophecy revealed plainly as day. From “Ya'akov”(Jacob), we get “Am Yisrael (The Nation of Israel) and from “Esav” we get the name “Edom” which is almost the same as “Adam” except for the “o” or in Hebrew the letter “Vav” (v) If we look at the paleo-Hebrew, one could get the symbolism of “Esau” who was made of “Blood and spirit” was connected (Vav) to “chaos” Esav was a “man of the earth, disinterested in spiritual things, he was materialistic, he related more to the “red” earth than the things of God. From “Esav/Edom” we get Haman (the Agagite), and from Haman, the nation of “Rome” came into being. All nations hated Rome, as Rome was a conquering empire and took control of many lands. Many nations hate Israel, as Israel is the "anointed" of God, and the recipient of HIS blessings. (jealousy?)

Israel was under the yoke of Rome, YET today, we look at Israel, it has the strongest and one of the most advanced and modern Military in the world. And it was indeed an honor to serve under the IDF ten years ago, and I would gladly do it again.

Jacob and Esau, twin brothers, but two separate nations, two brothers, yet worlds apart, one spiritual, interested in the things of God, the other, interested in the things of the world. Esau and Jacob represent the world of today. We have the “lost” “unrepentant man,” and we have the “born again believers,” which include ALL who have accepted Yeshua the Messiah as LORD and Savior, doesn't matter if we are a Sabbath observing messianic believer, or a Sunday church going believer, we are ALL part of God's family.

Yet we see that Jacob exhibited “carnal behavior” he wanted things “his way” yet when God sent Jacob to uncle Laban's “school of hard Knocks” he came out different... (but that is in the next Torah/Bible study). Jacob symbolizes “all believers,” both carnal and spirit-filled. We ALL have growing and maturing to go through on this side of heaven.

I would like to examine three names: Adam, Esau, and Jacob/Israel. How are we like these names? Adam and Edom are spelled almost the same. Adam was the first man made in the “image of Elohim.” he was made from the earth, “Edom means “red” perhaps the earth with which Elohim made Adam was a reddish color. Esau was a carnal man, and gave in to his hunger and ate of Jacob’s “red” lentil stew. Adam was made perfect in all ways, yet sin broke fellowship between him and God, thus, sin was passed down to all generations. Esau and Jacob, one could say were like “twins”. Yet one sought after spiritual things and the other, after carnal things. Jacob and Esau symbolize the spiritual man and carnal man, yet we can decide which “man” we want to follow and emulate

Esau despised his birthright for lentil stew. We can see the same today, many people will prefer a life of sin, money, fast cars, drugs, fame, you name it, and reject the gift of God, “Salvation” (YESHUAH), and then “perish” for all eternity. That's kind of like “exchanging” Eternal life with God for a “temporary life” of comfort and ease, riches, etc. Just doesn't make sense, does it?

We can also see this in believers. In believers, we have the “Esau” nature and the “Jacob” nature. The “Esau” nature is our carnal sin nature, which responds to the flesh, but the “Jacob” nature is our “spirit-filled” nature, which is attracted to the things of the spirit, the things of God. It is our choice which “nature” governs our lives.

The time of blessing comes, Isaac is old and blind, and there has been a family “division.” Isaac loved” Esau (because of his wild game) yet Rebecca “loved” Jacob. Does that mean that Isaac didn't love Jacob and Rebecca didn't love Esau? No, only means that there were “family favorites” which is a big NO, if we are to live in peace with our children today, even between “students and teachers” no favorites, please!

We see in Chapter 27 that Jacob passes for Esau, and Esau gets the shorter end of the stick. Taking advantage of poor Isaac's blindness, yet there is a saying “The chickens come home to roost” and “What goes around, comes around.” We will see LATER what happens, Jacob is the younger, and pretends to be the older. When Jacob gets married, he thinks he's getting the younger daughter, but gets the older daughter. Jacob deceives Isaac in his “darkness” (blindness), and Jacob gets deceived, being in the “darkness” (night time, dark tent), and maybe he had too much to drink to know who got in bed with him.

Esau doesn't change; he marries a “Hittite” woman and then gets another wife from his uncle Ishmael, all to “get back” (maybe) at Isaac for giving away his birthright, but didn't he already sell it? Hello?

So, the question is: “Jacob or Esau,” who do we resemble most? It might be a thought-provoking question, but it is a question we must ask ourselves. We may be born-again believers, yet if our thoughts are earthly, and God’s Word doesn’t fill our minds daily. If our daily life is more carnal than spirit-filled, and our words are less than kosher, then we would have to be honest with ourselves and say, “We are Esau!” Yet it doesn’t have to be that way.

If we say, “I take after Jacob!” then does God’s Word, his Spirit, guide us? Remember that his name was changed to “Israel” (Yashar-El), “Straight to God.” Do our thoughts go “straight to God?” Are we living our own lives, or are we living the “God-in-us” lives? Is it really our life or God’s life that is within us?

The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

Which politics in particular?

Certain left-leaning political moves are drawing quite a bit of backlash in Europe right now (at least on the immigration front)

Things like universal healthcare are obviously popular in Europe and Asia, but those aren't things that are decided at a Mayoral level.
Those two issues aren't coupled together as tightly as you think, either. I notice that Orban takes a hard line on immigration and gay rights, but Hungarians still have affordable housing and education, universal health care, outstanding public transportation infrastructure and the toughest gun laws in the EU. In many ways the place is a model of Democratic Socialism. ;)
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Prince Albert II blocks bill expanding abortion law in defense of Monaco’s Catholic identity

Prince Albert II of Monaco has announced that he will not sign into law a bill that aims to relax the conditions for accessing abortion in the European microstate.

The monarch confirmed his rejection of the new bill — passed by the National Council by a margin of 19-2 last May — during an interview given to the Monaco-Matin newspaper on Nov. 18 on the occasion of the holiday celebrating the principality’s nationhood.

The legislative proposal aimed to authorize abortion up to 12 weeks of pregnancy and up to 16 weeks in cases of rape, and to lower the minimum age for waiving parental consent from 18 to 15 years old.

While he said he understands “the sensitivity of this issue,” the monarch pointed out that the current legal framework “respects our identity and the place that the Catholic religion occupies in our country, while simultaneously guaranteeing safe and more humane support.”

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Pentagon investigating Sen. Mark Kelly over 'refuse illegal orders' video

I agree. Yes, retired officers can be recalled to face a military court. However, this is usually only the case when a crime occurred while the individual was on active duty. I don't think any jury will convict. However, this may send a clear message that such rhetoric, which disrupts the good order and discipline of the military, will not be tolerated.
True enough that usually happens when it's discovered that a retiree had committed a crime while on active duty.

But a fairly recent federal law prohibits a sitting member of Congress from going into military active duty. In order to go back into active duty, Kelly would have to resign from the Senate.

If Kelly refuses to resign and refuses to report to active duty, in one technical sense he would be in violation of the UCMJ. Members of Congress are not subject to the UCMJ, however.

So, basically, as a Senator he can tell the Pentagon to pound sand.

Also, in three months Kelly will be beyond the statutory age of being recalled back to active duty.

Not to mention that the case itself would be laughable. Both the UCMJ and US Code require use of force to be a component of a sedition charge. Before they even consider recalling Kelly to face a court-martial, they've got to invent a charge that won't be laughed at by any military judge.

I don't think anyone in uniform in the Pentagon wants to harass Kelly. This isn't a matter that will make them look good or feel good. They've got to tap dance for their boss, but I wouldn't be surprised if they tap dance very, very slowly for the next three months.
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Vatican releases doctrinal note defending monogamy, rejecting polygamy

The Roman Catholic Church is defending marriage as a union between one man and one woman amid concerns about polygamy and polyamory, and increased acceptance of same-sex relationships.

The Vatican’s Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith released a Doctrinal Noteon the Value of Marriage as an Exclusive Union and Mutual Belonging on Tuesday. The document, authored by the Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez and approved by Pope Leo XIV, comes as the Catholic Church’s African bishops are seeking to stop the spread of polygamy on the continent.

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Why do people hate ICE...

FACT: 70% of ICE arrests have involved illegal aliens convicted of, or charged with, crimes. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, 35.7% of the illegal aliens in ICE detention have criminal convictions, 30.5% have pending criminal charges, and the remaining 33.8% are “other immigration violators” — while nearly 70% of those removed from the country have criminal histories. As a result of this unprecedented effort, scores of gang members and national security threats have been taken off our streets.
Pending charges are meaningless - under our legal system, people are assumed innocent until proven guilty. And, given CBP's involvement in the various enforcement operations throughout the country, that article's assumption that persons arrested by CBP are solely border encounters is flawed.
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Kilauea Volcano is spectacular today.

Eruption resumed high fountaining with episode 37 about one hour ago. Video streams are posted in posts #5, 12, 68. Video has 12 hour scroll back. Episode should last 5-10 hours or so.

Only the north vent today, but a double fountain from it. Here's a big tongue of lava reaching the far side of the caldera:

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The slight shade change on this side of the hot lava tongue from dark grey w/ white spots to a browner color is the limit of lava flows in this eruption over the last 11 months (lined up with the near edge of the black flow to the left.
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Imitatio Christi - is the following Biblical?

I never said anything about Paul being married, not sure where that came from.

But I did demonstrate exegetically that he new how to abound and how to suffer lack of

I used his own words to demonstrate.

We will have to disagree.

What do you think he meant by “abound”? Are you suggesting he was living luxuriously, with abundant wealth? I would assume not. I am not claiming that St. Paul engaged in the kind of self-abasement one associates with some, but rather asceticism from the perspective of moral restraint and living only for Christ. Even a monastery has its beautiful portions, and I have never seen one devoid of creature comforts.

My primary objection is of course to the Word of Faith / Prosperity Gospel view that suggests the Apostles enjoyed great riches.
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