Zacharias was the father of John the Baptist, and he spoke these prophetic words right after his wife Elizabeth had given birth to their son, John, whom God called to be “a voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘make straight the way of the Lord,’ as Isaiah the prophet said” (John 1:23 NASB1995). John was to preach and to baptize for repentance, to prepare the way of the Lord Jesus Christ, to get the people of Israel ready to receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and Messiah, the promised seed of Abraham (see Galatians 3:16).

For the redemption of the Israelites spoken about here, which is available for all people ever since Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection, is about Jesus’ sacrifice of his body and his blood on that cross to buy us back for God out of our lives of living in slavery to sin and for self, so that, by God-persuaded faith in Christ, we will now serve the Lord with our lives in walks of surrender to God in obedience to his commands in holy living. For by faith we are rescued from what enslaved us so we can live holy lives, pleasing to God.

And John the Baptist fulfilled God’s calling upon his life to prepare the hearts of the people to receive Jesus Christ as the promised seed of Abraham, their Messiah, although most of the Jews at that time chose not to believe in Jesus. And many of the rulers and teachers of the law, and people of influence in the temple of God (at that time), were strongly opposed to Jesus Christ, and so they continually harassed him and tried to trip him up with his words, in hopes that they would have cause to accuse him of wrongdoing.

But John the Baptist was to give the Israelites (the Jews) of that time the knowledge of salvation by the forgiveness of their sins. But this salvation is not a free pass to keep living in sin and in disobedience to God without conscience and without remorse, as many people teach it today. For by faith in Jesus we are delivered (saved) out of our addiction to sin so we can now live for God in walks of obedience to his commands. For repentance is turning away from sin so we can live for our Lord in surrender to his will.

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

But that knowledge of salvation from sin was not meant to be for the Jews only, but to include the Gentiles, which God had planned all along. And by faith in Jesus Christ, Jew and Gentile became one, no longer separate, but one people of God, one holy nation, the Israel of God. And all Jews who rejected Jesus as their Messiah (the Christ) were cut out of Israel. But by faith in Jesus Christ they can be united with the Israel of God. So there is only one biblical nation of Israel, and it is all who believe in Jesus Christ.

[Genesis 17:7-9; Genesis 18:19; John 8:18-19,38-47; Romans 2:28-29; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 9:4-8,25-28; Romans 11:1-36; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 3:16,26-29; Galatians 4:22-31; Ephesians 2:11-22; Ephesians 3:1-6; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-16; Hebrews 8:6-13;1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 2:22; Jude 1:5; Revelation 2:9; Revelation 3:9]

O Come, O Come, Emmanuel

Anonymous/Unknown
Tr. By John M. Neale, 1851

O come, O come, Emmanuel,
And ransom captive Israel
That mourns in lonely exile here
Until the Son of God appear.

O come, Thou Wisdom from on high,
Who orders all things mightily;
To us the path of knowledge show,
And teach us in its ways to go.

O come, Thou Branch of Jesse’s stem,
Unto Thine own and rescue them!
From depths of hell Thy people save,
And give them vict’ry o’er the grave.

O come, Thou Key of David, come
And open wide our heav’nly home;
Make safe for us the heav’nward road,
And bar the way to death’s abode.

O come, Thou Bright and Morning Star,
And bring us comfort from afar!
Dispel the shadows of the night
And turn our darkness into light.

O come, Desire of nations, bind
In one the hearts of all mankind;
Bid all our sad divisions cease,
And be Thyself our King of Peace.

Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel.

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Mark Quayle said:

You say, "Death does not need to be described in anthropomorphic terms, neither does life." Yet, that is all you have done here. You define them by your point-of-view." Even when you use scriptural terminology, you don't know more than what little you know, just like me. Can you say, WHY, or HOW life does what it does? Who does God think we are, apart from him?

Look at the various words for destruction in both old and NT, and even the contexts for "done away with" in its various expressions. I don't often read them to mean, "returned to null". I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm saying you haven't done much to support your position. It seems to me that there's too much to contrast with God's abhorrence of sin and his retribution for it, to say they are just returned to non-existence.

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Anthropomorphic terms are used to describe something about God in human terms so we would understand something about Him we are not familiar with - God does not die, and we are not talking about Gods death (?) we are talking about ‘our’ death (as in the OP). There is no reason to use anthropomorphic at all because we all know what death and life are. I did not bring up anthropomorphic.

What little ‘I‘ know about life and death? I know what life and death are, but I do not know what you are talking about if you don’t know what it means to be alive or dead.

You may be thinking of the purely annihilationist view, I am not exposing that. If you read my posts you see that I am exposing the Conditionalist position- that the sinner is punished according to their deeds. They are not ‘just returned to non-existence’ as you said. They are punished, each for their own sins, some I suppose for a very long time, and then thrown into the Lake of fire.

David Lamb said:

Thanks again, but I still don't see how anybody having just the information in Apple Sky's post could know that what you refer to is the same as her "Guiding Head of the Zion Colony."

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I still haven't a clue what your going on about

The Trump administration lowering the car exhaust regulations will lead to a tremendous increase of cancer cases.
Nobody increases cancers like Trump does. Everybody says him "Sir, you are so good at increasing cancer cases, the most beautiful cancer . Doctors tell him that they have never seen cancers like the TRump cancers.

In 2022, more than 18 million Americans were living with cancer.1 The National Cancer Institute estimates that roughly 39 percent of adults in the United States will be diagnosed with cancer at some stage in their lifetime.2 More than 2 million new cancer cases, including almost 10,000 among children, will be diagnosed in the United States this year alone, with 618,120 people expected to die from the disease, according to estimates by the National Cancer Institute.3

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If in the future, we have the technology to colonize other planets. Do you think this would be possible? Or if God would want that?

Only very recently in human history have we been able to land on the moon and set foot on it, then send a robot to mars. Whats next?
We have been confined to Earth for most of human history, God gave the gift to mankind to be intelligent enough to travel outside the planet, is there anything in the Bible or that we know about God that says we can't live on other planets?

And we need to ask ourselves, why would we want to colonize mars?

rjs330 said:

So is this against the law or not? If not, then he's fine to do it and I don't care. If it is against the law then he should face justice consequences for doing so.

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It's taking away from the poor, that needs the money. While pretending care about the non-born, babies and people, when he doesn't care. And putting the money elsewhere to cheat. He should be forced to give back $36.2 million to the people in his state that needs it.

Yarddog said:

Jesus' idea of making America great again is to start over, taking it back before Europeans got here.

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Yes because a bunch of backward savages who made war on each other, tortured, enslaved, raped and murdered each other were way better. Child sacrifice was much better.

Carl Emerson said:

It would be good then to consider the 'Word of their testimony' as it applies to all believers.

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I'll leave that to you, since that seems to me to be a distortion of the text as written.

So much for our conservative counterparts lecturing the rest of us over what they considered to be inappropriate responses concerning the death of Charlie Kirk!

Conservatives found fault with individual private citizens over their response to Kirk's death in
contrast Donald Trump who is supposed to be the President for all Americans - including the ones who have criticized him publicly!




A President who is incapable of tolerating criticisms from private citizens should never aspire to serve in the White House - constant criticism and personal attacks come with the territory and should never invoke "an unhinged" response!

If Trump had nothing good to say about Rob and Michele Reiner then he should have had the White House staff issue the customary condolences - his rant reflects far more on his state of mind than that of his intended target(s)!

Strong in Him said:

[Sarcasm.]

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Stupidity.

Strong in Him said:

The Day of the Lord - as mentioned by Amos and other prophets - was an OT concept.

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The great Day of the wrath of God and the Lamb, Revelation 6:17, 2 Peter 3:7 & 12, +

The great Day of God Almighty, 1 Thess 4:15-18

Strong in Him said:

I live under the New Covenant and am waiting for the return of the Lord Jesus.

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WE Christians have not yet made the new Covenant with the Lord. Hebrews 8:10-12 proves it.

Do you think that nothing special or dramatic will happen before Jesus Returns?

Your concept of God being formed is alien to any of the original language speakers.

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Unqualified said:

They are Gods people and this makes them acceptable. Those in the church that say otherwise should watch there step and not judge because many disagree so err on the side of caution be cause you are surely wrong. God is not done with Israel.

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You should watch yours as well as there are many brothers and sisters in Christ who are covenant theologians- the church is Israel!

A Jewish individual that rejects Christ is not saved!

DaisyDay said:

The problem is the repeated, constant conflating all Muslims with Islamists.

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I dont think thats necessarily true. Even now in rhe US the proposed bans are for certain areas. Its not a blanket ban on all Muslims.

The other difficulty is that there often isn't any obvious difference between the regular Muslims and Islamists until it is too late. Like what happened in DC and in Australia. They can live here under the radar for years then suddenly pop off.

Thats particularly why we need to be very judicious on where people are coming from. And probably do a lot more deep dive into their backgrounds and interviews even from places that aren't that way.

chevyontheriver said:

Actually gut microbes matters a great deal to our health and to our weight. There are trillions of microbes in our guts, of many species, bacterial or yeast. A few cause acute illness, but most just sit there and eat what we feed them. Feed them lots of sugar and some microbes thrive. Feed lots of fiber and no sugar and other microbes thrive. The microbes you feed then influences your life, blood sugar, fat metabolism, mood, and hormonal balance.

Yoghurt, for example, is full of live yeast microbes. Feed them well and you benefit. Throw a lot of sugar at them and some other microbe thrives instead. Lactobacillus reuteri, newly discovered, seems to actually lower a person's weight. But it grows very slowly. Eat a bunch of sugars and other microbes outgrow them. Restrict sugars and eat lots of fibers and the L. reuteri can grow, and assist in major weight loss. So you can engineer your gut a bit and consequently engineer some weight loss.

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The quantity of food and water will also influence gut bacteria. When it comes to food, less is better.

Exercise also matters hugely. And weight loss is not an exact science.

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I knew other people who exercised a lot and still overweight. They covered as much distance on their bicycles as I did on skates.

I think the problem with some people is they're simply addicted to food.

Exercise does suppress hunger if you're well adapted to it especially if exercising in a fasted state. The body is forced to adapt. But if eating at every opportunity, exercising may not work at all in losing weight. I even knew some cyclists who gained weight after they took on cycling from being sedentary because they couldn't control their appetite.

Vambram said:

Only liberals really believe President Trump has committed fraud. The rest of the nation denounced that belief in November 2024.

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That's not how trials work.

1Tonne said:

I understand what you’re saying about how refuse might have been processed, but that still doesn’t address Jesus’ wording. Ordinary worms do die, whether by fire, starvation, or decay, and ordinary fires do consume what they burn. Yet Jesus deliberately says, “the worm does not die” and “the fire is not quenched.
If this is only a description of normal dump activity, worms eating first, then refuse being burned; then there is nothing exceptional about it, and no reason for Jesus to emphasize those phrases. The point of the imagery is not the mechanics of waste disposal, but the permanence and seriousness of judgment.

By highlighting that the worm does not die, Jesus is intentionally contrasting real worms (which do die) with something beyond the ordinary. That pushes the language toward figurative, judicial imagery, not a literal explanation of how rubbish dumps function.

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There was a constant fire burning with new trash being added to keep it burning. Since trash piles up, there are constantly worms. Yes he is using it as a comparison because everyone knew about it. He is saying that it is constant. The fire is not quenched and the worms are there constantly because trash is added daily. All refuse is either eaten by worms or burned up...with nothing left. Yes, permanently....

Hey, Miss @DreamyLaLa , I happened to think of your mermaid story about Crystal from earlier this year and wanted to see if you were still around CF. Glad you are and that you seem to be doing well enough.

Ellesmere said:

1) In a world of limited resources, a capitalistic society human engineering would be privatized - reserved for the wealthy whose prime purpose will be that to increase and preserve the advantages that they already enjoy!

2) Social engineering world undermine democracies and the concept of equality!

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with engineered humans we can do more with less humans, less resources.

Revelation and the Rapture

Revelation is and has been happening since Christ left, Revelation is repeating the same prophecy, the rapture is a deception introduced by those associated with the office of the beast, the notion that there are other worlds and beings on them is part of the blaspheme spoken of in Revelation 13:6.
Now in much detail:

-Revelation​

In Revelation John sees a vision very similar to what Ezekiel saw.

Revelation 4:3 - Ezekiel 1:28
Revelation 4:7 - Ezekiel 1:10

Ezekiel sees a view from the ground, John sees a view from the air.

John is having a vision: Revelation 4:2 "I was in the spirit".

Johns vision is similar to the vision Ezekiel had,
but he also sees 24 elders circling the throne.


And what is happening in Revelation is similar to the book of Daniel:

Daniel vision 1 ending :
"And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed"
Daniel 2:44

Daniel Vision 2 ending :
"Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the Most High; and the time came that the saints obtained the kingdom"
Daniel 7:22


Different visions but describing the same ending, visions about the same ultimate thing; the establishment of Gods kingdom.

And Daniel 9 to the end gives details about that same end.

Revelation is following the same pattern, but with a few more visions.

Revelation also clearly repeats the same ending throughout the book:

The End Number 1: (seals)​

"the great day of His wrath is come" Revelation 6:17

Revelation 6:12-13 - Matthew 24:29
Revelation 6:15-16 - Matthew 24:30

"the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters"
Revelation 7:17 (Revelation 22:1,17)

The End Number 2: (trumpets)​

"And the seventh angel sounded;
and there were great voices in heaven,
saying, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
and of his Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever"
Revelation 11:15 (Revelation 19:16-21, 20:1-5)

"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, (Revelation 20:13)
and that Thou should give reward unto Thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear Thy name, small and great;
and should destroy them which destroy the earth" Revelation 11:18

The End Number 3: (Revelation 12 13 14)​

"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman,
that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood" Revelation 12:15

"And after 62 weeks shall Messiah suffer the death penalty, but not for Himself,
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
and unto the end of the war desolations are determined" Daniel 9:26

"And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
Revelation 14:15 Matthew 13:30 The harvest, the end. (Revelation 19:11-14)

"And another angel came out from the altar,
which had power over FIRE,
and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth;
for her grapes are fully ripe."

"And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress"
Revelation 14:18-20
(fire being a key term, this is figuratively talking about Revelation 20:12-13)

The End Number 4: (vials)​

"...which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world
to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty" (Revelation 19:19)

"Behold I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame"

"And he gathered them together to a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

"And the seventh angel poured his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, it is done"

Revelation 16:13-17 (Revelation 19:1-19)



Each ending of each vision,
is a description of the same end we get details of in Revelation 19 through 22.

Therefore it should be clear that Revelation is repeating itself.

Each vision is a retelling of the same prophecy,
each vision gives different details of the same repeated prophecy.
And the end of Revelation gives specific details of the end of the prophecy.

Another way we can see that the prophecy is being repeated is in the following verses:


"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit"
Revelation 9:11

"when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them
and shall overcome them and kill them"
Revelation 11:7

"the beast that you saw was and is not,
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit"
Revelation 17:8

-Rapture​

Some claim that Revelation 4:1 is the 'rapture'.

"After this I looked, and behold a door was opened in the sky;
and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me;
which said come up hither, and I will show you things which must be hereafter"

But John is having a vision, he is seeing a vision in the sky, very similar to what Ezekiel saw in Ezekiel chapter 1.
He is "in the spirit" Revelation 4:2, he is not physically taken to the city of heaven.

And the trumpet from 4:1 can not also be the trumpet from 11:15.
And because of such, yet trying to hold onto the view that 4:1 is the rapture,
people then will say there are two raptures.
But as shown above Revelation 11:15 is referring to the end,
the time when the kingdoms of the world become the kingdoms of the Lord,
which is the beginning of the 1000 years as described in more detail in Revelation 19:19 through 20:4.

-A Clear timeline​

And most notably, it is clear that the seals of Revelation began to be opened,
when Christ ascended and sat down at the right hand of the Father.
Revelation 5:5 specifically tells us that Christ prevailed to open the seals.

Christ died and physically rose from the dead.

Matthew 27:37-50,
Matthew 28:1-7,
Luke 24:37-39

Afterward He physically ascended up beyond the sky.

Acts 1:9-11

And is set down at the right hand of the Father.

Hebrews 12:2

At the right hand of the Father is a scroll.

Revelation 5:1

The book of Revelation says Jesus prevailed to open the scroll.

Revelation 5:5

The time of Jesus literally ascending was around 33ad ~ 50ad.

(as per historical record)

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Revelation states that some of it had happened already.

"and there are seven kings, five are fallen, and one is, the other is not yet come; and when he comes, he must continue a short space"
Revelation 17:10

[ these kings were in the office of beast #1,
eventually someone in that office will seem to be wounded to death and healed, (Revelation 13:3) and after that point he is eighth. (Revelation 17:11) today the fact that this person is a king is kept secret ]

Jerusalem was destroyed in 70ad

(as per historical record)

The inquisition and the crusades happened around 1090 ~ 1600,
some of this time period is called the dark ages.

(as per historical record)

Napoleon went out conquering around 1700's ~ early 1800's

(as per historical record)
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The world began to be even more at war with each other starting in the 1900's

(1918 ww1 1939-1945 ww2, Hitlers time was clearly red)
(1948-1967 war concerning Israel)
(1967 to present day ongoing military occupation and conflict in and around Israel)
(in the past it was called the 50 years war, it will reach 70 years in 2037)
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And that leads us to present day.

The worlds economy is collapsing now.

A cashless society in which no one will be able to buy or sell
without their identity involved, is on the horizon.
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Electronic tattoos are on the horizon.

A.i. is learning more and more everyday.

We of this time can more clearly envision what the image and mark of the beast may be.

Certainly it will have something to do with modern technology and modern 'science'.

Revelation says that the beast will open his mouth in blaspheme about what is outside of the sky: Revelation 13:6.

Daniel also alludes to that there will be falsehood related to the stars: Daniel 8:10,12, 25.

Paul told us that the anti-Christ arrives with much deception: 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

"Whose coming is after the working of Satan,
with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among them that perish, because they received not the love (Matt 7:12) of the truth, that they might be saved. (they choose to deceive rather than love)
And for this reason God shall send them strong delusion such that they believe The lie (Genesis 3:4) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
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The rapture deception​

One of the deceptions is the notion of a 'rapture', a time when people disappear leaving the rest behind.

"by your sorcery were all nations deceived" Revelation 18:23

By your pharmakia were all nations deceived.

"Whereas you saw iron mixed with clay,
they shall mingle themselves with the seed of man, but they shall not adhere one to another even as iron does not mix with clay."
Daniel 2:43


Nano robots, smaller than cells in the body, tiny pieces of metal that can be remote controlled.
(see the Ted Talk held in Israel in 2013)

What was initially designed for good health purposes is being used by evil men for deceptive satanic purposes.

Injected with such technology a person can become overrun with the bots,
and their immune system tries hard to get them out. But at just the right amount,
the person can live fine and the bots can do various tasks, the bots can also get hot.
Using this technology it is possible to burn a person from the inside out.
The result is a plasma burst from inside out,
as the individual cells of the body heat up and burn really fast.

Using such technology the evil doers plan on making a so called 'rapture' happen.

And after many years of deceptive indoctrination, many people will be fooled by it.

Believing the 'rapture' has happened,
they will then be led to believe that the new tyrant that comes to power is the anti-Christ.
(perhaps he will be in power shortly before the so called rapture)

Believing that ww3 is against the anti-Christ, when the beast, a prominent religious king,
gets wounded and healed, they will be led to think that something from God has happened to him, that he is a martyr healed from death by God.

And believing all those deceptions, they will be willing to listen to the beast.

The beast will be speaking blaspheme about what is in heaven, Revelation 13:6

And will usher in the false prophet, one claiming to be Jesus.

Due to the grand deceptions, many will fall for their lies.

But those heeding the scriptures carefully, can not be deceived.

"Wherefore if they shall say unto you,
behold he is in the desert; go not forth;
or behold he is in the secret chambers; believe it not" Matthew 24:26

No one knows the day or the hour of the Lords return, and the Lord does not return in secret of any kind.

The Messiah said He would come, with His angels, after the tribulation.

Matthew 24:29-31

Mark 13:24-27

Any correct view of the rest of the prophecy,
must use the words of Christ as the foundation.
Paul indeed builds upon that foundation and a strong foundation in scripture.

The Lord did not specifically mention the dead rising in the above passages.

Paul gives us the specific information that the dead rise first, then the alive.
(1 Thess 4:16-17)

How can Paul conclude such? From scripture.

"Come from the four winds, Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain, that they may live"
Ezekiel 37:9-12

Paul was a Pharisee, they believed that such passages were a promise of actual resurrection,
while the Sadducees did not believe such passages were about resurrection: Acts 23:5-8, 26:5-8.
Ezekiel 37:9-12 is the promise of resurrection Paul is referring to in Acts 26:7-8.

(there is no other promise concerning resurrection of the nation given directly from God. In Ezekiel God says "Oh my people, I will open up your graves and bring you up out of your graves" in modern times there is much misunderstanding related to that passage, but my hope is that you will take it for what it says, let Gods word be true and every man a liar)

Therefore when the Lord said He would gather "from the four winds" (Matthew 24:31 Mark 13:27) one well versed in scripture as Paul was, and being of the Pharisees,
would understand that as a reference to the prophecy in Ezekiel, and therefore resurrection.


The Lord comes with His angels, and the dead and alive rise:
Matthew 24:30-31 Mark 13:27

(Ezekiel 37:9-10 "from the four winds" being a reference to resurrection,
"from one end of the sky to the other" being a reference to alive people.
but we could also say that Matthew 24:31 is the dead, and Matthew 24:41 the alive
and Paul makes it clear that it all happens in the twinkling of an eye, boom, we are just up there,
I think that it happens upon death, a saint will wake up from death on a horse high up in the air)

The Lord comes with His angels, and the dead and alive rise:
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17,
2nd Thessalonians 1:7-10
"....with the voice of the arch angel..."
"... rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky, with His holy angels"


Matthew 24:28-40

"For wheresoever the carcase is there will the birds be gathered together"

"immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the sky"(Rev 6:12-13)

"And He shall send forth His angels with the great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his chosen ones from the four winds,
from one end of the sky to the other"

"Then shall two be in the field, one taken, the other left"
(Matthew 24:40 and Luke 17:36)

Luke 17:37
"And they asked Him, Where Lord?
"And He said unto them,
Wheresoever the carcase is there will the birds be gathered together"

And we are given more details about it in Revelation 19:17-21

"....and all the birds were filled with their flesh"

His response in Luke 17:37 matching Matthew 24:28 shows us that the two passages are speaking about the same thing.

Taken altogether and in order, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17,
1 Corinthians 15:51-58,
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17,
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 ,
2 Thessalonians 2:1-11,
we get the full understanding and order.

And Paul does mention angels arriving with Christ in Thessalonians.



There is no doctrine that can come up with a 'rapture' (a disappearance of people)
from scripture without taking things out of order and out of context.





Ezekiel 37:1-15 = resurrections
Ezekiel 37:15-24 = reign of the Messiah
Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog

Revelation 20:4-5 = resurrections
Revelation 20:5-7 = reign of the Messiah
Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog

Isaiah 26:19 = resurrections
Isaiah 27:1 = and the Lord slays two beasts on that day

Revelation 19:7-14 = marriage of the Lamb, which we know involves resurrections
Revelation 19:14-21 = and the Lord slays two beasts on that day

Backed by the order in Isaiah, we thereby know for sure how to understand Revelation 19,
resurrections then slaying of the beasts.


Job 38:17 = Christ dies and rises from the dead immortal
Job 38:22-23 = Hiterls loss largely due to the winter


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Job 38:25 = Thunder, seventh angel beginning to sound
Job 38:33 = Reign

"for I know that my redeemer lives,
and He shall stand at the last day upon the land.
And even if worms destroy my body and I die,
yet in my flesh shall I see the Lord"
Job 19:25-26


And Paul did not call it the rapture, Paul called what he was speaking about, the resurrection.

2 Timothy 2:18

comana said:

A friend of an ex with unknown motive. Very trustworthy.

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A friend of her ex brother/husband.

are you saying it is not IT?

Servus said:

Hmm what was the Biden admin up to one wonders.

A lethal chemical substance being sent to the US that's killing as many as 350,000 Americans per year. Meh no biggie.

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Fentanyl isn't killing "as many as 350,000 Americans per year". About 90,000 to 110,000 Americans die per year from drug overdoses of all kinds.

Estimates are that synthetic opioids kill as many as 80,000 per year (of which about 18,000 were prescription opioids).





Overstating your case by x4 doesn't do anything to help people believe your claims.



You could also use your own argument to declare oil is a WMD. After all, oil is a "lethal chemical substance being sent to the US that's killing as many as 350,000 90,000 Americans per year".

Say it aint so said:

Galatians 1:11–13

11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel. 12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. 13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it. ​

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The mythical archetype of the dream relegation. Apply one large grain of salt. Just like the authorship of the Peter letters.

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Just another leftist liberal who doesn't trust anything written in scripture.

Valletta said:

"the Lower Health Care Premiums for All Americans Act contains a strong initial set of policies that expand choice, particularly for small employers, enhance competition and transparency, and reduce ACA silver plan premiums by 12 percent while lowering federal spending by roughly $30 billion."

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Mmmkay.

Valletta said:

" . . .policymakers should consider expanding access to guarantee renewable short-term health-insurance plans, opening up ACA catastrophic plans, taking steps to expand access to HSAs, and site neutral payment reform in government programs."

Lower Health Care Premiums for All Americans Act

The House has introduced the Lower Health Care Premiums for All Americans Act to address the ways in which the ACA drives skyrocketing costs.

paragoninstitute.org

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It's hard to evaluate a plan with complex language that I'd never heard of before it was passed.