timothyu said:

Of course, but a differing culture can overrun a current culture in a democracy.

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Do you think that cannot happen in a dictatorship?

Oompa Loompa said:

Sarcasm went over your head?

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You basically told the truth about Trump. I was happy you noticed the truth about Trump. I guess for some strange reasons, the truth = Sarcasm.

jonojim1337 said:

It specifically says what day it was:

John 19:30-31

30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

The only way to solve this riddle is that the first day of the week is Monday after Sunday. This simply means the gospel writers used Roman weekdays.

Actually, they used the Byzantine calendar.

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And what is a special Sabbath
Special Sabbaths of the Jewish Year Special Sabbaths of the Jewish Year

Special Sabbaths and High Sabbaths are not the same as The Seventh-Day Sabbath.

And we are using the Roman calendar from Friday to Sunday, and the interpreters interpreting 3 days and 3 nights and have been using the Roman calendar since year one AD.

And even using the timetables the Israelites used where days begin at 6:00 p.m. it will still come out the same Saturday night would be the first day Sunday night would be the second day Monday night would be the third day.

The interpreters counted Friday as day one, Saturday as day 3, Sunday as day 3. which is where they messed up, they did not leave a 24-hour span from the beginning of the first day when Christ was crucified and buried.

By their interpretations It is believed Christ died around the 9th hour which has been interpreted as 3:00 on a Friday the first day should have been calculated on the Roman calendar, after a 24-hour span, which would make the first day of Saturday the second day of Sunday the 3rd day on Monday Roman calendar. The first night Friday the 2nd night Saturday the 3rd night Sunday Roman calendar so he couldn't have Rose early Sunday morning. It would have to be early Monday morning.

As with the Israelites of those times the Byzantine calendar the year would be different, when the Day begin but not the 24-hour day.

Why does it matter?

BPPLEE said:

They love to use it when some atrocious acts are committed by someone claiming to be a Christian and you point out that no real Christian would behave that way. It's not a fallacy it's just the truth

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That's why I don't believe in it. It can't be the catch all for anytime someone does something. No real Muslim would aact like that. A real Liberal would never be violent. A real whatever wouldn't do whatever. This argument works with individuals and is certainly issue dependant. Sometimes a real whatever wouldn't actually do that.

David Lamb said:

But there are other things that cause a person's body to disintegrate, like being burned in fire, or being put int a bath of acid. Saying that God uses nuclear weaponry seems to go beyond what Scripture says, and suggests that God first creates a nuclear bomb and then detonates it. I agree that there are similarities between the effects of a nuclear weapon and what happens at the Day of the Lord, but the latter is far worse, unless one knows the Saviour.

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From my understanding man-made nuclear weaponry has an intense fireball.

The Devastating Effects of Nuclear Weapons | The MIT Press Reader The Devastating Effects of Nuclear Weapons

And I seriously doubt acid would fit what Zachariah is speaking of unless someone is flying over the people and dropping millions of tons of acid over the population.

Scripture doesn't tell us what God uses or how he does what he does to accomplish anything that has been accomplished.

If God can create the heavens and the Earth he can create the effects of nuclear weaponry and I didn't say anything like what man has, what man has is for man and earthly.

I am not trying to get anyone to agree with My views or even understand them.
Fire and brimstone! Even that would look like man's equivalent of a nuclear explosion.

Say it aint so said:

Not even close..

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DaisyDay said:

Lols, not even close.

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FACT: Tish accused Trump of 'real estate and bank' criminality for dishonestly attempting to secure more-friendlier loans/lower rates, from the bank.
FACT: Trump is now accusing Tish of 'real estate and bank' criminality for dishonestly attempting to secure more-friendlier loans/lower rates, from the bank.

Vambram said:

That is NOT what I said, nor is it what I meant. Don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say.

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Assimilate means what exactly? You addressed your post to Christians so I assumed you meant religion. Immigrants add to our culture, it has been evolving from the start. Assimilation sounds like stagnation.

Since I've touched on divine mercy in regards to extending life, two more instances come to mind. One was the same pastor as he told of both incidents in one of his sermons.

When he was a school student he had been reading a book while resting his back against an old concrete water tower. Suddenly this voice yelled at him "RUN!"

He said he took off like a greyhound and did a 100 metre sprint in record time. As he did, the concrete water tower collapsed behind him. If he'd stayed there he'd have been killed without question. But the people killed when the tower of Siloam fell on them were apparently given no warning. What's the difference?

There were no other people around either to yell out a warning, and they would not have known what was about to happen anyway.

Another story I heard years ago was during a visit by a chap named (Sir) Fred Nile, a morals campaigner from Sydney. I can't remember a word he said to be honest, but I remember a testimony by a former homosexual who was one of his group.

He said at his second (and deadly serious) suicide attempt, Christ materialised in the corner of the room, moved towards him and somehow merged. He said from that time on he never even had to struggle with homosexual temptation (despite being involved in everything going before that), had married a woman who accepted his past, and had two young sons as proof. They were present when he gave his testimony but they were probably too young to understand what he was saying.

God or an angel (with God's permission) saved that particular chap from suicide, so why not all the other potential suicides whether homosexual or heterosexual?

God is still sovereign when it is all said and done, whether we like it or not.

eclipsenow said:

What on earth are you TALKING about? It's OBVIOUSLY fulfilled.

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What is really obvious, is how Jewish Israel is once again is the same apostate and God/Jesus rejection condition as twice before.
There is yet to come the final and conclusive fulfilment of Jeremiah 8:5-12. The terrible Day of Reckoning, as many other Prophesies inform us.

It was not the intention of God, to give His prophets a clear, instantly understandable message. To have done that would have revealed His plans to all and sundry.
We can’t yet fully ascertain God’s ultimate design for His creation, although it is clear that he does want those who believe in Him and trust in His Salvation, to be aware of coming events. We are told to trust Him and hold fast to our faith, but to do that in the midst of sudden and shocking events, without some idea of the outcome of such events, and then it will be so much more difficult for us.

Therefore, because God HAS given us the information we need to know about the future, then it is a serious error to ignore it, to fail to gain some understanding or to imagine that a rapture removal to heaven will take us away from it all.

It must be obvious, to anyone who reads the news, that the current world situation is nearing unsustainability, in terms of resources and population. But the flash point and the focus of God’s plan, is the Middle East.
God has not, in the past 77 years, allowed Israel to be conquered and He will not allow that to happen now. Although there will be a judgement upon the Jewish people as well, a remnant will eventually be forgiven and restored. Ezekiel 16:59-63, Romans 9:27

Many prophecies tell of God’s fire judgement; this has not happened as yet, His first judgement of humankind was by a flood. This coming Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, is described as a terrible day of fire and earthquakes. It will be a Day when the heavens blaze; 2 Peter 3:7 & 10, burning like a furnace; Malachi 4:1, raining fiery coals; Psalms 11:4-6, fire like a whirlwind, many will be killed; Isaiah 66:15-17, suddenly, in an instant....flames of devouring fire; Isaiah 29:5-6.
But the verse that tells us exactly what God will use on that Day is Isaiah 30:26a The moon will shine as bright as the sun and the sun will shine with 7 times its normal power.

This accurately describes a solar flare, something that does happen on a regular basis, usually harmlessly. In the past there have been larger Coronal Mass Ejections, explosions of the suns surface, but now; scientists warn of the possibility and likely probability of a massive CME, that in our modern age of communications, transport and conveniences, would have a devastating effect.

Now, note the second half of Isaiah 30:26b... on that Day, the Lord will bind up the broken limbs of His people and heal their wounds.
AND Isaiah 30:29 But for you there will be rejoicing, as you travel to the Holy Land.....
This is a wonderful promise to His people, those who love the Lord and follow in His precepts- every faithful Christian. Many, many prophecies tell how His people will be conveyed and gathered into all of the Holy Land, after this Day of judgement. Isaiah 66:18b-21 This forthcoming Day and the gathering are quite different from that described at the Return of Jesus - years later.

Isaiah 52:6-12 On that Day, My people will know My Name.....go out leave Babylon, keep yourselves pure, the Lord will guard and guide you.

Ezekiel 28:25-26 When I execute judgement on all of Israel’s scornful neighbours, then My people: all the true believers, gathered from the nations, will live in peace in the Land, I shall show My holiness in them for everyone to see. [Before Jesus Returns]

Ezekiel 20:41-42 I shall accept you....after I have brought you out from the peoples where you have been dispersed, into the Land promised to your [Spiritual] forefathers.
Ref: REBible. (verses abridged)

fhansen said:

Because they both understood that, while the law was incapable of actually producing holinesss in us, it was nonetheless holy, right, spiritual and good as per Rom 7, testifying to another righteousness that could actually accomplish what the law could not. So the OC was made obsolete only because the NC could actually produce the authentic obedience that the old could not. Basil of Caesarea, a 4th century bishop, sheds some light here:
“If we turn away from evil out of fear of punishment, we are in the position of slaves. If we pursue the enticement of wages, . . . we resemble mercenaries. Finally if we obey for the sake of the good itself and out of love for him who commands . . . we are in the position of children.”

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The NT distinguishes between moral content and covenantal form. Where it has overlapping morals, it is a different covenant that does not superimpose the covenantal documents of the OC into the NC (ie the 10 commandments). The secret sauce to the NC is Christ, and it is only through him that we can produce righteousness. The ability to keep X or Y law by our own merit is still just as futile as it was in the OC but with Christ, we can accomplish it because he has accomplished it. But this does not superimpose the 10 commandments over the NC, which seems to be your argument's flaw. This hinges on the 4th commandment observance, which is ritual/ceremonial in observance, not whether we see murder or stealing as wrong. The requirement for the 4th is absent in the NC and counter-gospel according to the general premise of the NC that sees that Christ has brought to completion the ritual/ceremonial/symbolic aspects of the OC so that it is no longer required. We both agree on how this applies to the sacrifice, to circumcision or to separating our threads/grain, so why isn't the 4th included as well? is it not a ceremony of rest that is a metaphor for salvation and points to Christ? How is the sacrifice any different? How is circumcision any different? The meaning of the Sabbath is found in Christ, and it should be valued through Christ. Similar aspects of the law are no longer valued in their OC form but in the NC form seen as completed through Christ. Sabbath law follows the same pattern of other ritual/ceremonial-based laws. It inherits the same NC form that is completed through Christ. Moral aspects of the laws "ways to be good to each other" are expanded upon to better reflect an action of our heart over a mechanical action that can be exploited. Grouping the 4th with this expanded upon moral code of the heart doesn't make the same sense, and in the end still has the same result as seeing them as ceremonial in that Sabbath is not kept on a day, but for every moment through Christ.

Fireinfolding said:

Peace to you in Christ.

I was curious about this, because I'm sort of stuck, I had an account there (one that I didnt want to close) but I had good reason to do so and shared the same with one of the mods concerning (as to why I wanted to close out a majority of active forums I was on) all but this one (because I have been here the longest). But I couldnt get the email delivery system to quit there instead of getting a delete I wanted to have a ban placed on my account (which worked for me) at least until the time I could give an all clear on something other (which is another story) but I also wanted to change my email in relation to same because I didnt want forum emails.

But anyway, to shorten this up, I cant get back in that one (not even by any of their contact lists) they just arent working for me to do so.

So I was looking for a member here (that might also be a member there that I might even know of there) to perhaps drop a quick note to one of the mods I had spoken with there to get that lifted.

If anyone from there (is also a member here) and can help, feel free to PM me.

If not, thanks anyway, although I thought I would ask first though, couldnt hurt.

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i belong there

GoldenBoy89 said:

But how will the deaf and hard of hearing be lied to now?

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Relax CNN, MSNBC coverage isn't going away. Yet.

I want to give an update.

My symptoms that were affecting my mobility have improved.

Since last posting about it I started using nerve pain medication and a muscle relaxer. I've learned to alternate between periods of activity and rest throughout the day. I often need to take a break between tasks, but doing so helps me. My balance, coordination, and overall strength has gotten better.

I'm still using the walker outside the home. I am having an increased amount of fatigue, which could be related to seasonal increase in anxiety and depression that I usually experience during winter months.

prodromos said:

No twisting necessary. You are hoist on your own petard.

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timothyu said:

The message did not remain the same . The Kingdom of the Father was abandoned as the gentile church aligned itself with the world of man. Two opposing ideologies cannot exist as one and it certainly wasn't the Roman Empire that lived by the two commandments.

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Sure it did, to one who knows church history-along with knowing their own, personal, failings. There are times when church members/leaders behaved badly, as peope will, while others behaved execellently. Those behaving badly didn't heed church teachings, certainly not the teaching to love. But the teachings themselves were good. There's a principle involved, related in Matt 23:2-3

“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

JosephZ said:

There was a time not too long ago when Catholicism was the feared religion in the United States and seen as the biggest threat to the American way of life. There were people who believed that Catholics were immigrating to the US, starting Catholic schools, and infiltrating government institutions with the goal of establishing a Catholic theocracy. They thought Catholicism was incompatible with democracy and the US Constitution, and the followers of Catholicism couldn't be loyal to the Catholic Church and still be a loyal American. Anti-Catholic propagandists made claims that Catholics would lie to advance their cause and couldn't assimilate to the American way of life. That they were taking jobs and opportunities from Americans and were unclean, backwards, and ape-like. They promoted horror stories of children being kidnapped and killed at convents, of priests brainwashing parishioners, of nuns forced into sexual slavery with priests, and of Catholics plotting an armed takeover of the United States.

The most effective tactic the anti-Catholic propagandists used back then was having ex-Catholics share their personal experiences. "Escaped" nuns, former priests, and “converted” Catholics used to tour the country giving talks and interviews describing the horrors they witnessed. Many wrote books and had lucrative careers participating in the anti-Catholic circuit. As time went by, it was discovered that many of those ex-Catholics turned out to be frauds or had greatly exaggerated their stories.

What I have described above is no different than what we are seeing today with the religion of Islam and Muslims. Anti-Islam propagandists are saying pretty much the same things about Muslims as the anti-Catholic propagandists did of Catholics. They are using the same playbook by having ex-Muslims appear on right-wing media outlets and podcasts sharing their horror stories and personal experiences with the religion of Islam. And just like the ex-Catholics of the past that participated in the anti-Catholic industry, many of these ex-Muslims have become quite wealthy by joining the anti-Islam industry.

What we are seeing today isn't new; only the bogeyman is different.

Bottom line: just because you see an ex-Muslim on YouTube or a right-wing outlet demonizing Islam, it doesn't mean that their motives are pure.

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You missed the boat. While racism and religious bigotry still exist today in the United States, truly our nation had advanced and was known as the "melting pot" before the recent cultural revolution in the United States. The great positive was that immigrants from nations around the world came to the United States and did live in their own communities there was a lot of intermingling and because of that people learned respect for one another. In the early 1900s Americans, due to crime and other problems, Americans realized that bringing in too many of one culture too fast had negative consequences and thus enacted quotas by country. Unfortunately a significant portion of Muslims in the world today express contempt and even hatred for Jews and Christians, and even for fellow Muslims (Shiite vs. Sunni) to the point of violence and the justification of killing. Too many see the United States as the Big Satan and Israel as the little Satan. Worldwide events should leave no doubt about this. The slaughter of Jews in Israel was real. The threats of Iran and rocket launched and production of nuclear grade uranium was real. And the "river to the sea" chants and attacks on Jews on U.S. college campus were real. Thus ignoring the successful quota and vetting system in place, PARTICULARLY in this situation, was foolhardy and dangerous at best. Proper vetting should have taken place so that only those Somalians and others who love America and wished to positively assimilate into our culture should have been let in.

Coming soon to the West

Always in His Presence said:

I’m one of many who would disagree.

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at some point, replies like this become a waste of forum bandwidth and only decrease the ability of anyone else reading the thread to understand what anyone is talking about.

for what its worth, i agree with everything ain't zwingling in post #78.

Ain't Zwinglian said:

Neither a credo nor paedo? I am wasting my time here. Sorry for wasting your time also. I aplogize.

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whats left if you aren't either of those?