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RINOS donned MAGA?

You regulars here may well be ahead of THIS curve I learned just this morning? AI it appears protects some of the most unsuspecting RINOs (Republican in name only), until you to basically, pry it out. Stemming from this release from the President, ,

Grassley and GOP Force Trump Pick to Withdraw

But the piece, did not inform what GOP was behind this? After repeated attempts, finally fessed to this, ,

"On December 12, 2025, Senator Chuck Grassley played a pivotal role in the withdrawal of Julianne Murray's nomination as U.S. Attorney for Delaware. He was supported by several GOP Senators, notably:
  • Joni Ernst (Iowa)
  • Mike Crapo (Idaho)
  • Ted Cruz (Texas)
  • Marsha Blackburn (Tennessee)"

Senator Ron Johnson Endorses Discredited Doctor’s Book on a Chemical [Chlorine Dioxide] He Claims Treats Everything From Autism to Cancer

So he got his start in plastics by getting a job with his wife's family owned business. Kudos to him working his way to a CEO in plastics. So I imagine a true expert in the field. But unqualified to offer medical advice in either education or experience. The media and people should just ignore this but those with a microphone (the famous and powerful) always seem to go further than their expertise. We see a lot more of this in the Trump administration where often loyalty is more important than great credentials. That is why his second term is looking to be far more difficult.
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Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

You said you could...post # 146 "I can give you a truckload of verses showing that those in the lake of fire are all tormented day and night for ever and ever."
That's right I could, but I won't because you wouldn't believe them. You must have already read them before and dismissed them so I'm not going to confront you with them again.
You said you could...post # 146 "I can give you a truckload of verses showing that those in the lake of fire are all tormented day and night for ever and ever."
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

What a fascinating and astonishing religious philosophy. Because I am told by God and His Son Jesus, to Seek Him, and I do, you preach to the world that I am contradicting Scripture, lying to you, and abusing scripture and that I don't believe God, because David said among men who say there is no God, "there is none that seek God".

When I show you David and Paul's actual words, you completely ignore them, refusing to even acknowledge they even exist .

And then you accuse me of Abusing Scripture and that I don't believe God.

It's OK that you do these things, Jesus said you would. I was just hoping for more of an actual discussion about what is written.



Now Wait a minute Dan, You have said over and over, "there is none that seek after God". When I point to Scriptures that show men who, like myself, have and continue to Seek God, to Seek His face, to Seek His Righteousness, you accuse me of "Abusing Scripture", of "Twisting Scripture", basically lying about both God and myself. And you accuse me of not believing God.

But now, all of the sudden, your preaching has changed. Now all the sudden, are were actually men that do seek God. Which is what the Scriptures I posted, that you called irrelevant, have said all along.

Fascinating.



I see, so in your religion, God just randomly picks men to seek Him, not by them humbling themselves, as the Scriptures teach, but by some secret Holy Lottery in which even though God tells all men to SEEK Him, He withholds the capacity to do so for many, based on nothing a man chooses. And of course HE chose you but apparently didn't choose me.

Imagine that.



I see, so the Bible, the Prophets, Jesus, the Apostles, all of the Scriptures are a lie in your religion? All Irrelevant in your religion. All the pleading with God to the people of the earth to turn to Him, to Seek Him, is all a deception, Hollywood, an illusion. All Jesus' teaching for men to "repent" and "come to Him, just an illusion because men have no choice, and never had a choice in the matter.

So then, according to what you call the "Facts" of your religion, Abraham's Righteousness and faith were given to Abraham by God, based on nothing Abraham chose to do or even wanted. While the same God withheld from the men of Sodom, the same Faith and the same Righteousness or the desire to have them. Then the same God destroyed the men of Sodom, "because" there was no one righteous among them.

What a Fascinating judgment against God. That HE tells men over and over and over and over in the Holy Scriptures, to turn to Him in repentance, but according to your religion, withholds from them the ability for them to do so. Then slaughtered them by the thousands when they refused to turn to Him in repentance.

While at the same time forcing others like Abraham, based on no choice they ever made or desire they ever exhibited, to turn to Him in repentance, promising to reward them with the gift of eternal life in paradise, "Because" they turned to Him in repentance.

Therefore, you have no need for scriptures, Jesus, the Prophets, God's Word, faith, righteousness, as you yourself declares, these things are all irrelevant in your religion, because God does it all for you. But withholds the same for me.

Because You hit the Holy Lottery, and I didn't.

What an astonishing and fascinating religion. And a great one for those like you who hit the Holy lotto.

Not so great for the rest of us, who believe what is actually written..


No, that is just another of your many misrepresentations of both my words and Gods. I am not, nor can you find even one word in any of my posts, where I am proposing that I resurrected myself. You know this, and yet you still promote the falsehood. This shows more about your heart, than mine. Nevertheless, to address what you said, I was Spiritually dead, not physically. What you refuse to accept, and no doubt will refuse to even discuss, is that God is a Spirit, and therefore I, who was dead spiritually, not physically, can hear Him.

The Spirit of God tells all the Spiritually Dead, from Abel and Abraham to Paul and me, " To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation."

The teaching you are promoting, that God tells those who are spiritually dead in trespasses and sins, "To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.", but then hardens their heart so they cannot do as His Voice instructs, and then punishes them with everlasting destruction, "Because" their heart was hardened by no choice of theirs, is an evil and wicked judgment against God.

I will not join you in this astonishing and false religious judgment against God.



Given you have exalted yourself as a Judge against God, accusing Him of all manner of wickedness and injustice, it is no surprise that you would also make such judgments against me.

This is actually an honor for me, and a signal from the Christ "of the Bible", that I am on the right tract.

Nevertheless, there is a point in which I am instructed to shake the dust. I have reached that point. I hope that you might consider what the Scriptures actually teach about these things, even if it is in the privacy of your own home, just you and God. But there is no edification for anyone to continue in this manner of discourse.

So long.
I get the sense that your not interested in what the truth of the matter is. You seem to be more interested in defending your religious denomination, then defending the truth of the gospel.

God said that none seek after Him, and you just can't accept that He said that, even after I showed you the verse several times.

The only reason I can think of why you reject the scripture, is because you don't believe that mankind inherited death from Adam. You seem to think that carnal, spiritually dead men can fabricate faith, repentance and create a new righteous spirit for themselves.

All of the scriptures you cited, spoke about regenerated, converted people. None of them chose to obey the gospel, while they were still dead. God had to quicken them to life and give them the gift of faith, the gift of repentance and everything else that pertains to salvation. The only thing they contributed were filthy rags and a stinking corpse.

All of the exhortations to seeks out Gods will and to seek to obey Him, were for people who are already saved. You probably don't believe that anyone is saved until they reach the end of their life and then their good deeds will be weighed against their evil deeds.

The scripture I quoted described the whole of mankind in their natural sate, meaning everyone is born with a sin nature which makes them think that seeking God is foolish, and serving Him even more ridiculous, so they would never find it within themselves to repent.

Your theology is alien to me, it just doesn't line up with any of the doctrines I find in the bible.
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Is there another '1st World' country, where our darkskin-Black friends get arrested for having mental health crises?

Perhaps the decisions to arrest and make a big deal of this was so that the firing for "just cause" would be certain? So it could have been money motivated by the boosters and university officials at Michigan. But yes, how better it would have been to show more mercy but perhaps there is more to come about this case in which he deserves everything they are doing.
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Why do people hate ICE...

I’m fairly certain that Muslims believe that Yahweh and Allah are the same Being.
Whatever it is that you, personally, know about the subject, you might not be…correct, based on the fact we’re talking about how other people believe.
What they believe has no bearing on what I believe
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Busy, busy. Even in the cold.

-13 degrees F. ?
-17 C = +1.5 F, -25 C = is indeed -13 F. The coldest I experienced was about 20 years ago. I was in New Liskeard Ontario visiting customers in January; -48 C for about a 14 hour period, day time highs were -38 C. -48 C = -54 F (-40 C = -40 F).

This morning it is -15 C. This is a picture of or house taken yesterday afternoon:

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Time magazine snubs Charlie Kirk, names AI 'architects' as 'Person of the Year'

We live in a tech age, where tech seems to be even bigger than God. Charlie Kirk was a great influencer but he did not fit in that narrative. Neither did the American Pope who one could also argue as man of the year. In a sense it shows the pride of the USA, the focus is not on God and not religious people. It seems likely that after focusing on money and tech, that a lesson on humility may be next depending on what happens to American in 2026.
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Indiana Senate Republicans reject Trump’s redistricting push

Of course not, the USA has not bananas, nor is it in Africa. (Banana republics are in Central America and fruit companies no longer control any nations.

Both Hawaii and Florida grow bananas. Banana republic was a term that originated in Central America but it has been applied to African countries also e.g. Central African Republic and South Africa were both referred to as such.

The main point here is about gerrymandering and manipulations of the system to ensure the incumbent stays in power. I doubt if you disagree with that vis a vis Trump.
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Judge dismisses James Comey and Letitia James cases, finding prosecutor's appointment invalid

...the criminality concepts might be similar...
Yes, I agree with that. As it is the sole point I was trying to make... that Tish likely sat up, imagined that Trump might be committing the same bank criminality she's been committing for decades, created a campaign around the goal of prosecuting him, then... charged him, just like she promised to if she won.

Just a reprehensible and corrupt woman.
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Kirk Cameron Takes Heat for His Annihilationist View on Hell

I don't watch videos. The idea that everybody has eternal life by default is rubbish.
You should watch the video. It is only 20 odd minutes, and it explains where people who believe in annihilation go wrong. (Though I do not agree with everything he says in the vid, I still think he is pretty onto it and does very well with refuting annihilationism.)

Those who are sent to destruction do not get eternal life. They get eternal death.
I think the real difference between us is how we understand “death.” We actually agree that those sent to destruction do not receive eternal life. Where we differ is what eternal death means. Your view seems to treat death as a finality. When the body dies (the shell), this is a finality in the physical. So, your understanding of “eternal death” is understood as extinction, the person is gone forever.

My view is different. Scripture shows that when the body dies, it is not the end of the person. The spirit/soul continues but sleeps in the grave, unconscious, awaiting the resurrection (Eccl 9:5; Ps 146:4; John 5:28–29). Earthly death is therefore not final; it is temporary and preparatory.
Because death is not final in the first sense, I don’t see the second death as annihilation either. It is eternal death because it is eternal ruin, eternal separation, and eternal loss of life with God, not because the person ceases to exist. Death, biblically, can be an ongoing state of ruin, not merely a moment where something stops existing.

So yes, the wicked do not receive eternal life. They receive eternal ongoing death/ruin. Eternal death is not non-existence; it is the eternal opposite of life with God.
That’s the core difference in how we’re reading the texts.
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Zions New Children

You jump around between verses like a hyperactive grasshopper - without slowing down and considering the context of each author.

This is a great example of eisegesis.
On the contrary, all of the verses I provided in #154, refer to the one event - the great and terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath.
Your replies are just to 'shoot the messenger', and flood the thread with the opinions and beliefs of preterism and Spiritualism.

Tell us when you think the righteous will enter Israel and extend all their boundaries?
When will the Lord send fire to consume our enemies? Isaiah 26
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

After noting his desire to quickly release documents related to the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy, if elected, Trump clarified that he’d be willing to do the same with the Epstein files.


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Reversing President Trump's pledge to release the Epstein files should come as no great surprise!

One would have thought that Americans had have learned by now that failure to deliver on his promises is a reoccurring theme in "TRUMPWORLD
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"May it Be Done to Me"

Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. And coming in, he said to her, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.” But she was very perplexed at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this was. The angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.”
Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?” The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God. And behold, even your relative Elizabeth has also conceived a son in her old age; and she who was called barren is now in her sixth month. For nothing will be impossible with God.” And Mary said, “Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; may it be done to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her. (Luke 1:26-38 NASB1995)

Jesus always existed with God, and he was and is God, the second person of our triune God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So he didn’t just come into being when he was born as a baby to his mother Mary. For Jesus willingly left the throne in heaven which he had with God the Father, he came to the earth, and he was born to Mary, but conceived of the Holy Spirit. So he was not born with a sin nature as we are, and he never once sinned. But when he lived on the earth he was both fully God and fully human (God incarnate).

[John 1:1-36; John 8:24,58; John 10:30-33; John 20:28-29; Romans 9:5; Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 2:9; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8-9; 1 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Peter 1:1]

Now Mary was chosen of God to bear the only begotten Son of God, but this did not make her someone to be worshipped as though she is a god. But she was a young woman of tremendous faith in the Lord who believed what the angel told her, even though she didn’t understand, at first, how it was going to take place, since she was a virgin. And that took a lot of faith and courage to believe what the angel told her, too, especially since she would most certainly now be marked as an adulteress, for who would believe her story?

Now try to put yourself in her position, which will be harder for males, or try to imagine a situation where God might send an angel to you to call you to do something that you know will get you tagged as crazy, or as someone who cheated on your mate, and so you know people are going to think you have lost your mind or that you have sinned against God. And so you know they are not going to believe you, and that they are probably going to reject you, or that they might even put you to death for what they think you did.

For this isn’t just a “nice story” that gets repeated once a year, but this is a story of tremendous faith and trust in God and in his calling upon the life of a young woman who sets a great example for us who follow Jesus with our lives as to the kind of faith which we should have, too; a faith which believes in miracles and in divine intervention. And Mary said, “Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; may it be done to me according to your word.” And this should be our response to God when he calls us to do “the seemingly impossible.”

And some of us may be being faced with difficult situations in our lives which seem to not have answers, and the Lord may be leading us in directions we never thought possible, and so we know we will have to step out in faith, believing that God is in control, and then just trust him with the details. And Mary can serve as a wonderful example for us of that faith, where we rest in the Lord, and where we consider ourselves as servants of the Lord, and so we say with Mary, “May it be done to me according to your word.” Amen!

His Tender Mercies

An Original Work / January 26, 2014
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


Fear not! I’m with you.
Be not dismayed!
God watches o’er you.
Trust Him today.
He’ll lead and guide you;
Give you His aid.
He’ll love and keep you
With Him always.

Walk in His footsteps.
He’ll lead the way.
Trust in His love;
Believe that He cares.
He will not leave you.
Faithful He’ll be.
His tender mercies
Now you will see.

Fellowship with Him
Throughout the day.
Tell Him your heartaches.
He’ll heal always.
Rest in His comfort.
He is your friend.
Your faith He’ll strengthen,
True to the end.

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“May it Be Done to Me”
An Original Work / December 14, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

US soldiers, civilian interpreter killed during ambush in Syria by apparent ISIS gunman: Officials

That's always a possibility...

However, in this instance, the "likely an ISIS gunman" isn't far fetched considering it happened in Syria.

I believe Syria still has the 2nd largest ISIS presence in the world behind Iraq.

If Wikipedia is accurate about this, ISIS controls 6 provinces (out of 14) in Syria, which would substantiate the Pentagon spokesman's statement about it happening "in an area where the Syrian President does not have control."
But as a group what is the motive for ISIS? They want to bring the heat to their consolidation on parts of Syria? I do not know the full dynamics there but I bet some other groups (Perhaps even the USA itself) would love to have the USA drive out ISIS.
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Although I don't believe this apparently scientists believe life formed on its own

It is when its used to claim that knowledge and belief in the mind and body divide within Christianity just disappeared.

As far as I can see using the Dark Ages to say that Christianity did not have any views or beliefs on the Mind and Body divide is denying Christian thought. I proposed that the early church understood the Mind and Body divide in their beliefs and teachings.
Early Christianity was and still is all over the board regarding Mind/Body Divide. There historically is a bit of tension over this subject with even some leaning towards a trichotomy (body/soul/spirit) dichotomy way of thinking. But Christianity, from what I know of it, always has and even now depends upon some concept of mind/body divide. Using the term "conspiracy" though for a miss-construing (do I have that right?) of a basic religions belief structure is a bit over the top.

The term "Dark Ages" is misleading which is why that era is generally now called "The Early Middle Ages".
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Tim Walz Vows to Bring More Somalis to Minnesota, Despite Growing Fraud Scandal Reaching Into the Billions

The Somalian fraud and tribalism was going on long before Trump. That is what happens when you import the third world into your country in mass, give them welfare to make them comfortable, and have zero expectation for them to assimilate. They bring they bring the third world with them and replicate it where they are.
Why invite people in who won’t vote for you?
I understand this completely.
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