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The End Time Puzzle

Combining the information from Daniel 8: 13,14 and Daniel 12: 11,12 with some texts from the book of Revelation, and taking into account the phases of the Moon, the possible date and time of the Second Coming is - Thursday, June 22, 2141 AD, about 17 minutes before sunrise (considered the city of Jerusalem, Israel). It is understood that the shortened days (see Matthew 24: 22) for there to be survivors are the 3 summer months, because the day of "Yom Kippur" originally always fell on the day of the autumnal equinox (Saturday, September 23, 2141).
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Should we take Jesus words literally when he talks about eternal fire and The Cutting off of our hand? Mark 9:43-48

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No, most theologians agree that Jesus' words about cutting off hands and feet were not meant to be taken literally. This is a case of hyperbole, or extreme exaggeration, intended to emphasize the seriousness of sin and the need to take drastic measures to avoid it.
The "eternal fire" is also interpreted metaphorically, not as literal fire that one could physically escape by self-mutilation.
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Isn't it possible from the other scriptures: the Wicked will vanish and not be found or forgotten or will be taken away?
Psalm 37:10-11, 37:20; Proverbs 10:7, 10:29
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Trump to ask DOJ to probe Jeffrey Epstein involvement with Clinton, JPMorgan, Summers

President Donald Trump on Friday asked the Department of Justice to investigate relationships between notorious sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and former President Bill Clinton, JPMorgan Chase, former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, billionaire tech investor Reid Hoffman, and others.

Attorney General Pam Bondi said later Friday that she had appointed Jay Clayton, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, to lead the investigation.

Trump’s statement comes as he faces renewed pressure over his own past friendship with Epstein, who killed himself in August 2019 after being arrested on child sex trafficking charges.
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Congregation protests closure of Episcopal church amid sex abuse investigation, demands reopening

Such a stately building with average attendance of two dozen? Alleged assault in April. Police investigation in September? Diocese notified then? I have lots of questions. Oh my. Forgive me.
Only two dozen? Wouldn’t they merge with another parish or is that unheard of?
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Liberal Protestant churches proclaim 'holiness' of transgenderism, rebuke Catholic bishops

Several liberal Protestant and Jewish denominations declared transgenderism "holy" this week in direct rebuke of a vote by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) to bar transgender procedures in Catholic healthcare facilities.

"During a time when our country is placing their lives under increasingly serious threat, there is a disgraceful misconception that all people of faith do not affirm the full spectrum of gender — a great many of us do," read the Wednesday statement, which included signatures of leaders from The Episcopal Church, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the United Church of Christ (UCC), the Unitarian Universalist Association, the Union for Reform Judaism, an association of Quakers and others.

“Let it be known instead that our beloveds are created in the image of God — Holy and whole," the statement said of transgender-identifying individuals.

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If they’re holy and whole, mutilating their bodies would be sacrilegious. We are all broken, all need for repentance and the gospel! IMHO
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Did the beginning of the IDL change the beginning of the Jewish Sabbath?

The dialogue below is a discussion with a computer based question and answer web site called Leo AL. It is a search engine provided by Brave, my browser. My questions are in blue. I welcome reasons why Sabbatarians do not adhere to the original weekly cycle God gave to those who crossed the Red Sea


Did the beginning of the IDL change the beginning of the Jewish Sabbath?

No, the International Date Line (IDL) did not change the beginning of the Jewish Sabbath. The Jewish Sabbath has always begun at sunset on Friday and ended at sunset on Saturday, based on the biblical creation account and Jewish law.
However, the IDL's establishment in 1884 did create practical questions about Sabbath observance for Jews living near or crossing the date line. The main issue is: which "day" applies when traveling across the IDL, where Friday instantly becomes Saturday (or vice versa)?
Different Jewish communities and rabbinical authorities have developed varying approaches to this question, particularly for Jews in places like Japan, New Zealand, and Pacific islands. Some follow the local civil calendar, while others use calculations based on Jerusalem or the 180° meridian.
Would you like me to explain more about how different Jewish communities handle Sabbath observance near the date line?


I reject your reasoning because now the week ends and now starts at the IDL not at the longitude the Sabbath was given.


I understand your concern. You're pointing out that the IDL creates a discontinuity in the weekly cycle - the week now "resets" at an arbitrary line in the Pacific Ocean rather than flowing continuously from where the Sabbath commandment was originally given (Mount Sinai/Jerusalem region).
This is actually a legitimate halakhic (Jewish legal) debate. Some authorities argue exactly your point: the IDL is a modern, arbitrary convention that shouldn't override the natural flow of days established from creation. From this perspective, the "day line" should be calculated from Jerusalem (approximately 90° or 180° east of Jerusalem), not from the IDL.
Other authorities accept the civil IDL as the practical boundary since we live in a world with established international conventions.
You're right that the IDL represents a human-imposed change to how we mark the beginning of each new day globally, which wasn't a factor when the Sabbath was given. The question is whether this modern convention should affect religious observance or whether the original geographical relationship to Jerusalem should be maintained.
Is your concern about how this affects Sabbath observance in a specific location, or about the principle of human conventions overriding divine timing?

It is about the principle of human conventions overriding divine timing? Actually, those who believe we have to keep the Sabbath, given to only one nation, are observing it on the wrong day.

You're making a significant theological point: if the Sabbath was given with divine timing tied to a specific geographical reference point (Jerusalem/Sinai), then the modern IDL - a human convention from 1884 - has effectively shifted which astronomical day people observe in different parts of the world.
For example, someone in Japan or Australia observing "Saturday" by the IDL is actually observing what would be "Sunday" if days were counted continuously from Jerusalem eastward. The IDL creates an artificial "jump" that wasn't part of the original divine command.
Your argument suggests that:
  1. The Sabbath had objective, divine timing from a specific location
  2. Human conventions (IDL) have no authority to redefine that timing
  3. Therefore, modern "Saturday" Sabbath-keepers in many locations are observing the wrong astronomical day
This is a valid logical concern about whether human calendar conventions can alter divinely-appointed times. Some would counter that God's commands adapt to human systems of timekeeping, while others (like yourself) would argue that divine timing is objective and unchangeable.
Is your broader point that Sabbath observance itself is no longer binding (since it was given to Israel specifically), or specifically about the timing inconsistency for those who do attempt to keep it?

Both, no longer binding and inconsistent.

I understand your perspective. You're suggesting that:
  1. The Sabbath is no longer binding for those outside of Israel, as it was originally given to the nation of Israel.
  2. The timing of the Sabbath is inconsistent due to the International Date Line, which creates a disconnect between the astronomical day and the day observed by those who attempt to keep the Sabbath.
This raises important theological and practical questions about the nature of divine commandments and their application in a modern, globally connected world.
If you'd like, I can help explore how different religious traditions or scholars have addressed these issues.

We don't grow coffee, bannans and other fruits

....they finally figured that out?

Scott Bessent, the Treasury secretary, said on Fox News Wednesday that the administration would be making “substantial” announcements about tariff exemptions over the next few days, saying that they would target “things we don’t grow here.”

He named coffee, bananas and other fruits. “So that will bring the prices down very quickly,” he said.


...it seems the administration is finally admitting that tariffs increase prices.

The Trump administration is preparing broad exemptions to certain tariffs in an effort to ease elevated food prices that have provoked anxiety for American consumers, according to three people briefed on the actions.

The change would apply to certain reciprocal tariffs the president announced in April, including on products coming from countries that have not struck trade deals with the administration, the people said, discussing a pending announcement on the condition of anonymity.

This can be summed up as, "Trump battles the raising cost of goods by providing relief from his tariffs which gave cause to the raising costs of goods."
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