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I’ve been warned about being arrogant.

The Lord has convicted me strongly about me being arrogant.

We know that he hates arrogance. We see over and over in the Bible that sin can be connected to illness. And I have been having some health concerns.

I have been praying not to be arrogant and to be healed. But I confess to a feeling of hardness in my heart that keeps me from getting free of arrogance.

Even though in my mind, I see clearly how stupid it is. We are but dust and every good and perfect thing comes from the Lord.

Please pray that the Lord will do for me what I cannot do for myself, so that I am free from arrogance for life, and that I’m healthy in every way so that I may better glorify him for life as he deserves. Thank you.

Will you let the bible ...

The symbol of the lake of fire in the book of Revelation full of symbolism does not mean people are placed where they will be burning up. God's justice is real and it will be fair, God does though provide the way for deliverance, which is desirable for any to come to, with Jesus Christ having come to beat the consequential judgment from the fair justice in place of those sinners who came the way for deliverance through him, including us. The rest are indeed lost yet it is not God's fault, having made the way of deliverance, that creation groans for with hope in that. Growth must certainly get happen even with those who are saved with the deliverance, growth is meant to happen that they are saved for. Sin against God must diminish, and there is always more of God's will to learn and grow to, with God's Spirit working with us. It includes loving more that will not exclude others. And God was not wrong about the design for us. We should learn more of it while God's will for us is not kept hidden from us.
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The Open Cafe - a thread for everyone to post in. (2) [OPEN]

I've had my one hot drink with caffeine, which I actually take before each day, while I am up and it is cold still at night before that is over. Again, not like others. In many ways I am not. Though I am choosing much healthier ways than the others, in general.

I think there are safe places for communication, other than this special forum place in CF. I remember there was once Jesus Radicals with their forum, they were not conservative. They changed it not thinking their forum would still have value, which it did when I found it. And they have a site by another name since. How to find each other where communication is possible without a link, as I think links are not allowed? I don't know, but is sharing email accounts allowed?

It is not like I would agree with others, here or anywhere. I think things out too independently and have many different conclusions from those of any others. I still have Bible verses I take into account for those things. Others saying they believe the Bible will say, those things can be disregarded because of these other verses they can use. But my disagreement is that their passages, whether in context but very often not taken in context, do not negate the other passages I make note of, with the different conclusions. This is general, in almost anything. So I can trip over others' obstacles in many things here.
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What is the true congregation?

The congregation is what Jesus said it was....those who join themselves to Him and His house "where His congregation meets Lev23:3" will be a house of prayer for "ALL NATIONS" i.e. Those who join themselves to Him, to love Him and serve Him.

Isa 56:1Thus says the Lord:


Isa 56:6Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him
.”



God's Sabbath has always been a "holy convocation" Lev23:3 gathering of His people (congregation)

Which we see with the examples of the apostles continuing decades and decades after the cross just as Jesus predicted Mat24:20 following in the example of Jesus Luke4:16


Act 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 18:4 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Sadly we were told the other spirit hijacked God's congregation and started doing something different where instead most people gather.

Changing God's times and laws (4th commandment) What the whole end time battle is over worship. Rev 13, Rev 14 Jesus relates obedience to God's commandments (His version) as true/false worship Mat7:7-13 Mat15:3-14

Dan 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[j] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.


Isa 14:12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O [d]Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;


In the earthy temple the showbread representing God's Word was changed every Sabbath in the side of the north

Exo 26:35; Exo 40:22 The showbread table was positioned on the north side inside the Holy Place
Showbread changed every Sabbath Lev 24:8

Which represents God's usurping God’s worship and authority where God's where God's sits, Mount Zion… the city of the great King… on the sides of the north. Psa 48:2

But in the end God wins and the Sabbath continues as a holy convocation -for His congregation, the saved saints who stay faithful to Him Rev 12:17 Rev14:12 Rev22:14

Isa 66:22“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh
shall come to worship before Me,”
says the Lord.
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Barron Trump interested in supernatural dreams, 'very close' to becoming Christian: pastor

Knechtle claimed
Honestly, how could this pastor sensationaliz a private conversation with the son of the President that was supposedly planned in the early mornings, 12:30 am, then turn around and expose this private conversation with the world? :scratch:
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Letting God Look at You: Recovering the Gaze of the Father

There is a moment in every true conversion, not the dramatic kind, but the hidden, lifelong kind, when we stop trying to look at God and finally allow Him to look at us.

The ANE perspective on creation & am I fence sitting?

I think its not so much about the specific of how creation happened but that this knowledge is within humans that they should care and create such a story in the first place to explain the world.

Humans don't have to read a book of ancient stories about creation. Its in their DNA and they will create such stories to explain how existence came about.

Thats because its true. As created beings we know this is the case. We see Gods invisible creative powers in the things that have been made.

So naturally all cultures are going to make these stories of creation and the great flood that God sent.

Its more the case of which story is truth. Which one accounts for reality. God declares He is the one true God and creator. It is the Genesis creation story that God has used to reveal to all. Thats all that matters.
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Why Do Christians Resist the Idea of “Social Justice”? A Theological Question


I’ve been reflecting a lot on the tension many Christians feel around the phrase “social justice.” It’s a topic that seems to trigger strong reactions from different sides of the church — both progressive and conservative — even though Scripture speaks frequently about justice, mercy, the poor, and the oppressed.


In studying this subject, I’ve noticed that there seems to be one main reason many believers push back against the idea of “social justice” today. What’s interesting is that I’ve heard this same objection from both sides of the political spectrum, even though they frame it differently.


Rather than turning this into a political debate, I’m curious from a theological standpoint:


What do you think is the primary reason Christians object to talk of “social justice”?


Is it:


  • a misunderstanding of the biblical meaning of justice?
  • a reaction to how the term is used culturally or politically?
  • fear of drifting into works-based righteousness?
  • concerns about ideology?
  • something else entirely?

I recently explored this topic in the final part of a video series I’ve been working on, and it led to some interesting insights. For anyone who wants to see how I approached the question, I've linked the video below. But the main purpose of this post is to hear your theological perspective and learn from the broader Christian community here.


Video link: Login to view embedded media

Looking forward to a respectful, Christ-centered discussion.


Grace and peace.
Some, ignorantly, consider social justice to be a secular pursuit, perhaps thinking Christians should just isolate themselves from this unholy world rather than attempt to help make it holier. Social justice is really about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, caring for the poor, standing up for victims, upholding righteousness, opposing injustice where it’s found.
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Christ the Winter Fire

God be gracious and bless us and let Your face shed its light upon us.” So begins Psalm 68, often said in the Daily Office, or Breviary, at the start of the day. In St. John’s Gospel, Philip says to Jesus, “show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus responds, “Philip, to have seen Me is to have seen the Father.” The light shining from the face of Christ is the light of the Father. The blessing of seeing the face of Christ is the gift we will soon celebrate at Christmas: God has become man, and we can look upon Him.


9 Ways to Re-Consecrate Yourself to Mary

Marian Consecration is like Baptism in that it’s a one-time deal. Once Mary’s, you’re totally Mary’s. However, there are various times during the liturgical year and sacramental life that we renew our baptismal promises, in particular during the Easter Vigil. It should be the same for Marian Consecration—we should have a renewal of sorts that we do every year to remember that we are, indeed, hers.

Lost tribes of Israel

My question remains the same. With Jesus, it is more than Judah and the rest of the brethren of the house of Israel. It is the entire world that has been broken free of the rule of the elohim over the nations, returning to God's Will, the Kingdom. No longer is God's piece of real estate in a world of nations, formed after Babel, relevant other than as capital of the new world. The Kingdom, which covers all, is the new promised land.

If we are Christians and therefore live in the Renewed Covenant with Jesus, then we are ‘grafted’ into the people of Israel (Romans 11:17-24). Through Jesus' actions, we are grafted into the noble olive tree and may now belong to His people (Israel: the house of Judah and the ten tribes, as well as the strangers and those who are grafted in) #191.

Isaiah 56:6 says:

Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, Isa 56:6-7a

This refers to the Messianic age. Condition: Keep his covenant and do not profane His Sabbath!

Are we not also strangers who have been grafted in?

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, Eph 2:11-12a

The following is said about the olive tree Israel:

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of G-d, and the promises; Rom 9:4

And we, the believers from the nations, are grafted in.

In any case, we were destitute and strangers in the Egyptian system. And in any case, the only way to true freedom is found exclusively in Jesus. This also means that we must become part of Israel in order to be truly free.

For G-d will keep His promises, His covenant with Israel, and gather His people in the Promised Land! It is already happening!

G-d promised Abraham that his descendants would become a great nation and receive the land of Canaan as their eternal possession, a covenant that was confirmed with an oath.

Prophets such as Amos and Isaiah speak of future abundance, restoration and eternal peace in this land, where the people will flourish under messianic rule.

The promise of land is a fundamental aspect of Jewish tradition, which refers to G-d's faithfulness to His covenant, even after judgment and captivity (Diaspora). The renewed covenant, sealed by Jesus, confirms and expands these promises, whereby the gift of land is seen as part of G-d's faithfulness to His people, even if it is placed in a spiritual and future, eternal context.

The founding of the State of Israel (1948) marks the beginning of the fulfilment of these prophecies, even if the complete messianic fulfilment is still pending.

The promise is for a final, complete restoration of Israel and the world, in which G-d's people will live in peace and abundance in the land, made possible by the new covenant with the Messiah.

The prophetic writings of the Bible not only foresee an end-time restoration of the state of Israel, but also announce a restoration of Israel's neighbouring countries. A remarkable passage in this context can be found in the prophet Jeremiah.

In it, G-d speaks of the restoration of Israel's neighbouring peoples in the same way that He speaks of Israel's restoration. It is safe to say that the ancient peoples of the Bible have been absorbed into the various Arab tribes and are thus still among us. The prophet Jeremiah foresees a time of salvation for these ancient peoples. John Wesley comments that this means nothing other than that these peoples will one day be ‘called into the kingdom of the Messiah.’

Without a doubt, G-d's goal for Egypt is that He can say, ‘Egypt, my people’ For the nations that today comprise the territory of the ancient Assyrian Empire (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and parts of Iran, Turkey, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia), His declared goal is to proclaim over them, ‘Assyria the work of my hands.’ And they will all, together with Israel, be a blessing in the midst of the earth (Isaiah 19:24-25).

This gives us an incredible vision of hope for the future and, hopefully, a better understanding and greater revelation of G-d's purposes for Egypt and Assyria in our time.

What does Scripture prophesy about Iran, Israel's arch enemy?

G-d proclaims that He will set up His ‘throne’ in Elam, see Jeremiah 49:38-39. This means that G-d will take control of Elam, a sign of His absolute sovereignty. The kings and princes will be deposed, and G-d alone will reign. Elam will be judged for its hostility towards Israel and its sin.

Despite the harsh judgement, G-d promises to turn Elam's fate around. This means that there is hope for restoration and grace; G-d does not stop at his wrath. This turn of events is an indication of G-d's comprehensive salvation, which is completed in the Messiah, i.e. in Jesus Christ.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

The source stated that Bradley said this.

We will just have to wait and see. But already we have seen the lies from legacy media accusing Hegseth or ordering the killing and commiting war crimes. Extreme bias and designed to undermine Trump. So I will not trust anything that is said until it is confirmed.

Neither has those with TDS who are making all these claims lol. Its the same MO as all the other fake news they have claimed from so called anonomous sources who they never name.

Even doctoring other peoples words to change what they have said. Just because they hate Trump and his admin so much. Or hiding the evidence because it contradicts their poisonous narrative against Trump.
Trump hasn't been implicated in this has he? Regarding Trumps relation to the truth, I've known that it is self-serving since February 2017 and he showed his morals in the Access Hollywood tapes.
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I have a question and I’m confused

Interesting detail...

ASK AI this in any browser:

"what are the top 3 Christian denominations holding to sola scriptura testing of all doctrine and having a single set of administrators with one single set of official doctrines and having no autonomous subgroups included in the total membership"

<<I am excluding autonomous subgroups because by definition , autonomy does not preserve unity in doctrine so does not represent a single set of church teaching as being held by all the group>>

Which AI?

Also, as I must remind you, AI is not an inherently reliable source - remember when Grok declared, and I proved with screenshots, that Pope Gregory XVII, had canonized Ellen G. White?

I would note the Google AI that appears in web searches is particularly unreliable - frankly I wish they’d remove it, as its wrong about half the time. The problem is LLMs require immense compute resources; the better an answer, the longer they take (for this reason GPT 5.1 Thinking takes much longer than GPT 5 Instant, for example). Google’s search engines are too high volume to allow for the kind of processing power to equal even the now retired chatGPT 3.5, let alone Google’s actual professional grade Gemini, Grok 4, GPT 4o, o4 Reasoning, et cetera.

I would also note your question is ambiguous - it does not define a denomination, which can have multiple meanings. For example, there are two main groups of Seventh Day Adventists, the SDA General Conference and the SDA Reform Movement. Are these groups, in a state of schism, separate denominations? It would be absurd to call the Assyrian Church of the East and the Ancient Church of the East separate denominations, and they don’t even have any doctrinal differences, merely different hierarchies.

Also, what is Sola Scriptura? Does a denomination that accepts as inspired prophecy extra-Biblical texts, such as the writings of Ellen G. White, Sola Scriptura in the same way that for example, the Calvinists are Sola Scriptura? And of course we have the fact that Martin Luther, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer and John Wesley all placed some value on church tradition - in the case of Luther, Cranmer and Wesley, quite a lot of value, which is why Lutheran and Anglican churches frequently look the way Roman Catholic churches looked before the Novus Ordo Missae was introduced and the “wreckovations” of parishes as some call them happened in the 1970s (removal of altar rails and the installation of free-standing altars; some Lutheran and Anglican churches have these but many do not, instead retaining the traditional Western style altar rail and non-freestanding altar, which was traditionally used in most Western churches outside of some high altars in Rome, and also in all Armenian, East Syriac and West Syriac churches; the free-standing Holy Table being the norm in the Altars of Coptic Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox churches.

And a single set of Administrators? What is an Administrator? In many denominations, Administrators are defined as the secretaries who manage parishes, but lack ecclesiastical authority. In some cases, like the LCMS, you have a parish pastor, parish elders, and bishops, my friend @MarkRohfrietsch could explain it. In the Orthodox, Anglican, Catholic and Assyrian churches, and the Methodists churches, you have Bishops (Episkopos, meaning Overseer), Elders, referred to by the term Presbyters (also called Priests, an older Anglifization of the word Presbyter, confusingly used in the KJV to refer also to the Kohanim and Hierus referred to using distinct terms in the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek text), and Deacons, from the Greek word Diakonos, meaning service - the seven Deacons ordained in Acts, including St. Stephen the Illustrious Protomartyr, the first person to die preaching the Gospel of Christ, even before St. James the Great, who was the first Apostle to receive the Crown of Martyrdom (not to be confused with St. James the Just, who wrote the Epistle).
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Former Senior DEA official indicted for conspiring to traffic drugs and more


With all of the money the cartels pulled in I am concerned they now have a solid foothold in the United States.

Yes, only now, unlike the past five decades.
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Street Preaching

I am wonder if there is a need or there should be street preaching today. As there has been so much chaos in the world today do you think this is a time where perhaps the traditional street preaching should come back.

Some sort of calling out in the wilderness again. A call to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. Declaring Christ is saviour and the answer people are looking for. Re declaring and proving the gospel.

Not engaging in debates or arguements or politics. Just a simple redeclaration to ensure everyone hears the gossspel. As I think this is a fundemental way of comunicating the gospel instead of on social media on the internet.

Going back to the basics like in the early church and walking around preaching the gospel and Good news in the public squate like Paul did.
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

Well, I'd say that the survivors were 'actively trying' not to drown. Just make a mental note that the orders were not 'prevent these drugs from getting to the US'. It was literally 'kill them all'. That's the position you have to square with your conscience.
No doubt Daytime TV news announcer, multiple divorcee, alcohol enthusiast and inveterate adulterer felt threatened by the up and down bobbing motion of the floundering ex sailors.
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Does Daniel 9:24–27 support a dual 70-week fulfillment with a chiastic structure?

It only had one fulfillment and ended 70-73 AD. The masoretic is probably the least closest to the original compared to the LXX too.
The holy of holies was not anointed, and the kingdom was not established, so your view is missing alot of context, the anointing of the holy of holies and the age of righteousness are the climax of the second 70 weeks and the necessity for the prophecy to be fulfilled.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

If this is the case then you have just admitted that humans can gain knowledge through direct experiences of nature and reality.

Because I I keep saying knowledge does not work that way. Nor does finding tools in a location mean that this was the only method. We are talking nearly 5,000 years of different people using the quarry. So we will find all sorts of different methods in the one place from different levels of knowledge.

Knowledge is not a case of using just one method. Methods may overlap, come and then disappear and are discovered again. It may be the dolomite pounders were from a later or earlier people and that some earlier culture softened stone. They tried to copy the work with pounders.

Or it may be that both methods were used at the same time. The weakening or softening of stone used for the major works and the pounders for finer work in smothing the work.

But the fact is for example that studies have shown that the signatures in the stone at the unfinished obelisk were not made by small dolomite pounders. Another method or methods were used. One method showing a particular pattern like the granite was scooped out. So already we see the dolomite pounders orthodoxy undermined by the evidence that only one method was used.

There you go. This shows they at least were thinking along those lines.

But we don't know how they were used. It may have been that they used them in conjunction with the pyramid chambers where this actually is proven to have an effect on the brain.

But the point is the ancient Egyptians were thinking and believing at this level. Thinking about expanding the mind and the mind and body mystery we humans have been contemplating for millenia.

Skeptics just dismiss it all as psuedoscience. But this type of science is coming back into mainstream thinking. So it may well be that the ancients were already there and had found some way through direct experiences and altering mind states or psychical states.
In another post you accused me of lying for making things up, in my last response part of it was made up as comedic value.
The Egyptians never wore pyramid headwear to increase their brainpower and the neuroscientists Hunt, Blunt, Lunt and Cunningham are fictitious and their surnames lead to an unfortunate word association.

Here lies the problem, if you cannot seperate fact from fiction, how are you able to recognise rubbish such as the Egyptians having the technology to soften granite?
As pointed out dolerite pounders were found at the Aswan granite quarry in large quantities in various states of wear because it is harder and more durable than granite hence was used as pounder stones.
If granite was softened to a paste then why would the Egyptians go through the trouble of using dolerite when any material harder than this paste such untreated granite, limestone or even copper tools would have sufficed?

Then their your favourite word signature, why is there no signature for softened granite such as a modification of its crystal state to a glassy state which can occur in nature due to lightning strikes or meteorite impacts?
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A Conversion Journey

This is very different from the Koran reporting that Alexander the Great watched the sun sink into a mud puddle of unspecified geographic location. (The puddle should be easy to discover. Given that the sun is a million times the diameter of the Earth, It would have to be a REALLY big puddle.)

Yes, that’s one of the wackier stories in the Quran. Alexander the Great and the setting Sun just chilling for a bit, before the sun has to sink into a mud puddle to travel to the East to light up the dawn.
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Denaturalization

Now, this isn't meant as a criticism of the Trump administration. They're exploring the legality of denaturalization, and that's fine. I would just hope that they run into a hard legal wall.

I've been reading lately about suggestions to denaturalize legal immigrants. The Trump administration has already been working on revoking green cards and deporting legal immigrants in certain cases. I'd like to know what people around here thing about this, and specifically how far the government should be able to go.

Should the government be able to denaturalize legal immigrants if they've committed crimes in the US? Or for any reason at all? For that matter, should the government be able to revoke the citizenship of citizens born in the US and deport them? Although discussion of babies born in the US of illegal immigrants would deserve another thread, I wouldn't consider it to be off topic here.

Personally, I am currently against denaturalization unless fraud was committed during the application process (as per 8 U.S.C. Section 1451). As far as I'm concerned, once you're a citizen, you remain a citizen unless you voluntarily move out and revoke your citizenship.

Now, this isn't meant as a criticism of the Trump administration. They're exploring the legality of denaturalization, and that's fine. I would just hope that they run into a hard legal wall.

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