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GodAndChocolateVanilla · 2025-11-11T14:04:10-0600

redraven · 2025-11-11T14:03:44-0600

Chesterton said:
Rule Number 1: Read from a script. It's much better for expressing concise, accurate thoughts.
Rule Number 2: Don't worry about anything as superfluous as a background unless you just want to be entertaining. The YouTuber Styxhex just recently surpassed half a billion views and he's never used a background of any interest.

It's against the rules on CF to question another member's Christian faith. I think the same should apply to public figures such as Kirk also. I'm not a Kirk expert, but I'd possibly be willing to debate another topic, except I don't own a camera.

Do you realize that in saying that, you just talked to him?

I acknowledge that he claimed himself to be a Christian. I view his association with Christianity to be disingenuous given his rhetoric. That's how it appeared to me.

Shemjaza · 2025-11-11T14:03:32-0600

contratodo said:
I did that already with an image in this thread. The globe model fails to explain it I guess.

So when the axis is tilted towards the sun you will get 24 hour sun at the height of summer.

On a flat Earth this would happen at the North/Central pole... but not at the south which is not an enclosed circular area, but the entire rim of the Earth.

In contrast, how is the the Flat Earth's South/Outer Rim simultaneously lit up by a single sun despite being vastly further away than the North/Central regions of the Earth?

BPPLEE · 2025-11-11T14:03:23-0600

RDKirk said:
You mean the plan to move all the Palestinians somewhere else, raze Gaza, and rebuild it to the "Monaco of the Eastern Med?"

That plan?

No, the deal for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.

Desk trauma · 2025-11-11T14:02:58-0600

Servus said:
Can you come up with a better alternative?

Strictly enforced verification of legal status to work that holds employers responsible making using illegal labor untenable. With the economic motivation removed illegal economic migrants stop coming and leave if already present.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-11-11T14:02:46-0600

SavedByGrace3 said:
You do not live here... so you really do not know.

I live here and I completely agree with them.

calicocat · 2025-11-11T13:57:07-0600

This was a thing?

calicocat · 2025-11-11T13:55:45-0600

The ONLY thing that helped me as an aspie declutter was Marie Kondo's book, "The Life-changing magic of tidying up."

Chesterton · 2025-11-11T13:55:15-0600

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
You could say that about anyone...

In that case then, again, they're not unique. Go re-read the story of the Exodus, and tell me if you had a friend who behaved the way the Jews did, would you want him as a friend?

Setting aside the fact that Moses committed premeditated murder and fled from justice...they get freed from captivity by supernatural miracles from their God which they witness, then they see the pursuing enemy miraculously destroyed, then they complain that the free food (manna) isn't good enough (which sounds like a lot of EBT recipients in 2025 America), then when they feel Moses is taking a little too long on Sinai, they reject their savior who saved them (God) and worship a gold calf.

But I'm not picking on them. When I say they're not unique, the way they behaved could have been the same if they were any other people, like you or me.

Hentenza · 2025-11-11T13:52:55-0600

linux.poet said:
Gentlemen, you do have an entire subforum to debate which day the Sabbath should be kept on. This thread is not quite that, although I understand why it could come up.

Rather, if checking Instagram and email is “secular work”, that really says something about the over-intrusion of work in our culture and how much we are milked for productivity and never being allowed to truly rest. The world can be overwhelming for me with the number of rest and entertainment options. Rest should not involve having to make more decisions and fight more spiritual wars over the blurred line between work and rest the world likes to impose, I think.

Thinking about a Biblical model for rest is a good idea, and I think that Sabbath-keeping Christians understand this more than most as they follow a Biblical model of rest each week. That’s why I asked the OP questions. There may be certain advantages to keeping a certain entire day, or obligations you believe I need to follow in doing so, and I am willing to hear the case for that, but people debating among themselves over days isn’t really what I’m looking for here. Thanks!

I’ll debate you that the sabbath keepers don’t follow a biblical model of rest.

But I digress……

Dan Perez · 2025-11-11T13:50:37-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Simple principle Dan.

There's a person and THEN there's also the tempter or his own walking in the same pair of shoes

Don't know how anyone can read the Gospels and miss that fact, but then again denial is what devils do

An if I do not believe what the GOSPELS say. , Like LUKE. I am a DEVIL ??

Then If you do not be believe Rom 10:9. and 10. are you then. are you. a. CODSWALLOP. ??

dan p

GloryToHisName · 2025-11-11T13:49:11-0600

Douggg said:
The reason is because you have not put the sequences of events fitted to the 7 year frame work.

Look at your chart, for example. Where is day 1 of the seven years ? Where is day 2520 (the last day) of the 7 years ?
No one can understand your chart.

Make charts that have day 1 and day 2520 on them. Fit events to the 7 year frame work. For example....

View attachment 373050

I will be commenting on the verses soon.
But I have made.some discoverys that need a look at. But it's my belief that the 31/2. Mention in revelation is.always speaking of the last 3 1/2 yrs

calicocat · 2025-11-11T13:49:02-0600

durangodawood said:
I heard that "looking Mexican" or similar is actually acceptable probable cause for apprehension in this regime.

Is that so?

They're allowed to racially-profile...

"In September, the supreme court’s conservative majority sided against Los Angeles area plaintiffs who said “roving” immigration patrols were violating their fourth amendment rights by stopping people on the basis of race, language, employment or location. Critics say the ruling effectively “legalized racial profiling”." - The Guardian US citizens on the threat of being racially profiled by ICE: ‘I carry my passport card at all times’

calicocat · 2025-11-11T13:45:45-0600

RocksInMyHead said:
As you said, context matters - it can be about self-determination and anti-imperialism, but that's really only in the context of a country being a (former) colony, being ruled over by an imperialist power without a say in their own governance. That's not applicable to modern Germany, France, Britain, or America.

Surely not only formerly-colonized countries have a right to autonomy and democracy... (Although in the case of America, we are a former colony.)

A case could be made that European countries are currently being colonized, even Britain. At what point does it get bad enough we're allowed to feel sorry for them? (For me, the limit was the Rotherham grooming gangs.)

Job 33:6 · 2025-11-11T13:45:11-0600

CoreyD said:
Bear in mind you have not answered my questions.

My question here is, would you say the waters were created by God, or the water had no beginning?
Would you deny that God created the waters that covered the earth?

My question here would be, would you deny that God created the heavens and then stretched them out?
Would you object to that?

I've answered many of your questions, you just have many many questions. I've done nothing but answer your questions for some time now.

Ultimately, and I've said this numerous times now, God is the ultimate creator of everything ex nihilo and anything that follows.

And I would recommend starting by clarifying what kind of creation you're referring to. Because as we've seen, creation can mean many things. When God stretches out the heavens, that is creating.

Jeremiah 10:11-12 NRSV
[11] Thus shall you say to them: The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens. [12] It is he who made the earth by his power, who established the world by his wisdom and by his understanding stretched out the heavens.

This is an example passage describing God creating the heavens and the earth, and as we see, it involves stretching out the heavens.

Did God create the heavens ex nihilo at some time before he stretched it out? Yes I would say so. It just not an event described in Genesis. That's not what Genesis is about.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-11-11T13:33:15-0600

Always in His Presence said:
ah, the nazi card - been a while since that has been pulled out.

Who here believes bipartisanship (Democrats working with Republicans), is similar to the nazi's - good grief!

The nazi card is played all the time unless that was sarcasm.

The Democrats should have been working with the Republicans from the beginning and not tiny groups of them doing back door deals.

SabbathBlessings · 2025-11-11T13:25:41-0600

Carl Emerson said:
You are doing it again - presuming to know what I think...

And using terms like "Glorifying Disobedience"

Really !!!!!!!

So are you saying that it wasn't breaking the first commandment to not worship other gods when the rich young ruler choose his great possessions over following Jesus?

Carl Emerson said:
Walking in the Spirit with Jesus leads to a far greater obedience than keeping the Law ever did.

Jesus said something a bit different.....we do not even receive the Holy Spirit abiding in us, unless we love Him and keep His commandments. We have to first love Him which lead ones to want to obey Him. Why the Holy Spirit calls on us to not harden our hearts to sin, unbelief and rebellion, which are all used interchangeably Heb3:7-19

Since these verses were shown before to you and you still ended up quoting you instead, its hard to reason with one who uses their words and think its on equal footing with God's word. So I guess this will get sorted out in God's own time.

1 John3: 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
1 John2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

John 14: 15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

keras · 2025-11-11T13:10:42-0600

Douggg said:
These verses in Ezekiel 39:23-24 refer to the Jews, who went into captivity in 70 AD.

Ezekiel spoke directly to the House of Israel, who went into exile circa 712BC.
The people Jesus came to save and them alone. Matthew 15:24
He succeeded in His Mission, by the Apostles, and we Christian peoples are the result.

The belief of a general Jewish redemption is wrong and contradicts Jesus' Words as well as the OT Prophets.

Douggg said:
Everything is in place, keras.

Yes; soon the entire Middle East will be depopulated and we Christian peoples can go to live in our heritage. Ezekiel 36:22-28

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-11T13:01:25-0600

partinobodycular said:
So you're proposing that the objective standard for morality is established via authority... is that correct? Via edict.

That is correct, no matter how much it is denied. All you will get are the presuppositions of existing personal preferences.

Dan Perez · 2025-11-11T12:57:47-0600

bling said:
New Christians may not tap into everything that is available to them to help them experience the transformation:

I do not know of any Christian group, who believe the water itself saves you, since all believe it is God who saves and God is not limited by water.

Water baptism is not a “requirement” for salvation, since God does the saving, but is something Christians get to do to help them and others.

I know that I needed everything God could provide to assure me of my conversion, both outwardly and mentally. God wants you to physically feel the experience of what is going on Spiritually.

You would like to add to your conversion a definite time place and physical experience, which God has provided for you.

Adult believers water immersion is to be a physical outward representation of what had or is happening spiritually in the person being baptized. It is mainly to help the individual being baptized to better grasp what is going on, but it can “witness” to others observing the baptism. It has the elements of going down under the water (burying the old man), placing your dependence in another; the person baptizing you (surrendering your life to God), being washed (having your sins washed away), rising out of the water (rising from the old dead body), and stepping forth out onto the earth (a new person). The person is walking out into the hugs of his new family. It is also a sign of your humility, since it is a humbling act anyone can simple allow someone to do to them (so not a work) and since humility has been shown in the accept of charity (God’s free gift of undeserving forgiveness) it should just support and add to the memory of that acceptance. To refuse Christian water baptism when it is readily available might mean you are not ready to handle other responsibility like having the indwelling Holy Spirit and you are hurting yourself.

Christian Baptism replaced John’s Baptism and not circumcision, since circumcision went on at the same time as John’s baptism and it is not in the Bible where, Jewish Christians cease circumcising their boy children after baptism became available. Circumcision was a physical visible daily reminder to all Jewish boys and men that they were a Jew. The indwelling Holy Spirit is our literal daily reminder that we are Christians. The indwelling Holy Spirit replaced circumcision and is for both men and women.
Peter, Paul and all the rest would have agreed that: “water” does not save you, only Deity (God/Christ/Holy Spirit). God does not need you to “do” anything for Him to save you, but as Christians, we have the wonderful privilege and honor to add to our Spiritual salvation, a physical remembrance by physically going through a death burial and resurrection: washing away, reliance on others, rising to a new life in the arms of fellow Christians and witnessing to other what Christ went through in remembrance. Baptism is for us, because it helps us, and some of us will need that additional help, so God wants all of us to add this physical remembrance and witness.

Look at the context of 1 Cor: 16-17, 1 Cor. 1: 10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”

13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Yet tell me this: If Paul did not believe in water baptism, why did he specific give exceptions as being exceptions to his baptizing of Crispus, Gaius and the household of Stephanas?

Paul is addressing one of the many issues the Corinthian Church was having, which was division among them partly created by them being baptized by different Church leaders or disciples of those church leaders. Paul personally limited baptizing people for the same reason Christ did not baptize anyone.

Paul is not bring judgement down on being baptized, but their division and using who baptized them in dividing up.

Why would baptism not be a benefit to you?

And you say that I BAPTIZED THE household of Stephan's as for the rest , I. don't know if I had BAPTIZED any

other, PLEASEEEEEE. Notice that the Greek word WATER // HYDOR is not USED in verse 16. so check the Greek TEXT !!
And check ACTS 1:5. where the Greek WATER. //. HYDOR changes to BAPTISM go HOLY SPIRIT. and it happened

AT PENTECOST. !!

And how will you EXPLAIN Gal 6:15. and would like your REPLY !!
dan p

eleos1954 · 2025-11-11T12:52:03-0600

rambot said:
Feel free to share your list. I mean of course there will be some...these are people who broke LAWS.

So which ones do you think are questionable?

Decide for yourself ...
Pardons Granted by President Joseph Biden (2021-2025)

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-11T12:43:52-0600

stevevw said:
lol I forgot there are certain trigger words. Like a word suddenly is what makes reality. Just mention the word and it all reality becomes the word. Like the word has magic powers.

Not about "trigger words" its about you sloppy writing. If you don't mean "new age sprituality" don't use the term "newage" in a context where it could be confused with what you mean. Read your posts.

stevevw said:
Never considering that the word obviously has more than one meaning and when spoken was not necessarily the meaning the reciever thought. Which suggests that words themselves are just the subjective beliefs of the sender and reciever. Nothing objective.

Bad writing is your problem. Do better.

stevevw said:
What I meant by Newage was the religions of today. Not some mystical meaning 20 years ago like those of Mother earth and crystals lol. Though the core of the belief has similar aspects like turning nature into spirits or gods.

I'm willing to bundle them in the same rejected pile (oh, wait I have) and dismiss their claims. Are you?

stevevw said:
I meant that people still make spirits and gods today of nature and reality. Whether its a new religion, a modernised pagan belief, worshipping Gurus or whatever thing that is made spirit or ideol worship or god. Its inherent in humans and real. These are all expressions of the same phenomena.

So you really did mean "New Age" after all. Sigh.

I don't think I can reply to any more of this unending post.

The Barbarian · 2025-11-11T12:43:38-0600

probinson said:
As an independent, I'm not "furious". I'm just discouraged.

There's room for hope now. If Gerrymandering is no longer a winner for either party, there's a better chance of eliminating it.

The Barbarian · 2025-11-11T12:42:17-0600

According to The Bulwark, Trump’s social media company quietly rolled out a new “AI-powered search tool” just weeks after he signed an executive order banning so-called “Woke AI” in the federal government. The irony? Trump’s own AI isn’t just “woke” — it’s wide awake.
...
Did Trump’s tariffs cost Americans money? “Yes.”
Did he lie about the 2020 election being stolen? “Yes.”
Was January 6 Trump’s fault? “Yes.”
Has he ended any wars since returning to office? “None.”
Have grocery prices gone down? “Short answer: No.”

Trump's Truth Social AI chatbot keeps fact-checking him

The AI bot, built with a version of Perplexity, continued to correct the president's claims.

www.newsweek.com

Strong in Him · 2025-11-11T12:39:40-0600

Apple Sky said:
Some are extremely knowledgeable, if they aren't then I wouldn't bother watching them or posting their videos.

In other words, they agree with your beliefs. That means there is about a 95%+ chance that you'll agree with them.
They can also talk confidently about their beliefs in flat earth, or whatever. But all that doesn't mean their "knowledge" is correct..

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