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Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

A legitimate question asking you to explain a cryptic thing you said is not an agenda. It's a question.

I understand your question and it wasn’t ignored. I won’t aid Trump supporters including christians. You’ve chosen and I accept that. My commitment is for those on the wrong side of his policies and if that puts us on opposing sides so be it.

~bella
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Pink Floyd?

Hey folks,

Is anyone here a Pink Floyd fan or interested in the band? I'm just starting to get into them - I've borrowed one CD, Pulse, and I think it's great, plus I also have a couple of videos that I haven't yet had the chance to watch. Don't yet really have a favourite song, although I do quite enjoy Comfortably Numb.

Anyone else enjoy their music?

- Andre
Wow I just realised this thread goes back to 2003 and its only 3 pages long. Theres a few comments in 2003 and then a 10 year gap with a few more comments. Then another 12 year gap from another couple this year.

Thats amazing in that its lasted so long and two that not many people have commented. I cannot understand anyone not liking the Floyd as their music covers a wide range.

I never quite grew up with the Floyd as they began in the 60s. Which was really a completely different Floyd then. I was entering my teens in the 70s when their experimental music was peaking like Dark Side of the Moon and Animals.

Though my friend and I were into their earlier stuff like 'The Piper at the Gates of Dawn' and Ummagumma. Sid Barrat was a different Pink Floyd and unique in its own way and really the foundation of what was to come in alternative and experimental music.

Roger Waters was really the brains and pioneer I think for later Floyd. But Gilmore completely the picture and took them to another level.

Pulse is Gilmore without Waters. A bit like Beatles without Lennon. But still great music. Waters had his own style with albums like the Wall which was primarily his idea and he continued along that line in his solo career.

Waters was still going like Gilmore the last time I checked. I loved Pulse and the movie 'the Wall' which came out around 1980 or so. It was a artistist masterpiece for its time. They also had live stage versions where a giant wall was built and then dismantled to mach the album.

Waters often used other singers. I like his current replacement for Gilmore who sound a lot like him so they can still capture the Floyd sound but modernised. The Floyds music is having a revival in some nations where I think Pink Floyd was not as popular in the 70s, through to recently in Nations like Spain, Mexico and where this latest live performace was done in Prague, Czech Republic this year.

Not bad for an 82 year old lol.

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Speaker Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

I cant think of anything that Europe does better than America in its governance. If you really want Europe, you should move there.

1) Healthcare
2) Wages
3) Democracy

If I ever catch you complaining about things in America, say transgender issues or something, I'll let you know that if you want a more repressive government then you can always move to Saudi Arabia.

-CryptoLutheran
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A Trolling President?

Trump gets something that many miss: Those who voted for him enjoy the discomfort of the Left when he tweaks them and they jump on cue. Those who voted against the other candidate instead of for Trump enjoy it as well. I know an elderly couple who, on election night 2016, stayed up not for the returns but to watch the unhappiness of news anchors reporting the results. That was what they enjoyed seeing. They aren't alone. And that's how various mems about schadenfreude got to be a thing. The Left's not going to like what anyone on the Right does, anyway, whether they troll them or not.

That doesn't sound like evidence of what a healthy, functioning democracy should look like.

It's like walking down the street, seeing smoke coming out of a house, and instead of calling 911 you just take your phone out and record it saying "Yo man, that's wild".

This isn't good.

-CryptoLutheran
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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

If you can get enough of your representatives to vote to change caesar’s mind, then so be it.
Yes that is how it works. And in tyr mean time all.of us including you can share our opinions on what should be. And everyone is following the law so I'm not sure what your point t was on quoting the scripture. Did you think.someone was advocating for not following the law? Where you advocating for everyone just to be quiet? What was your point?
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A Biblical Marriage Relationship

“Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, because we are members of His body.
“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.” (Ephesians 5:22-33 NASB1995)

When God created woman, he created her to be man’s helper (helpmate), partner, coworker, and companion. So he took a rib from Adam’s side to create the woman. She was to be bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh, and “for this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh” (see Genesis 2:18-25). And this is repeated for us again in Matthew 19:5 and in Ephesians 5:31.

Therefore, the fact that the woman and the man both sinned against God, and God made man to be over the woman in authority, and that she is to be in submission to her husband, it does not change the rest of this. For to “be joined to his wife” and “they shall become one flesh” has to do with the man cleaving to his wife, sticking to her like glue, to bond with her, to become one with her, united together with her in love. They are to be as one person.

And the woman is to submit to her husband in the same way in which she submits herself to the Lord. So that means that she will submit to her husband in all ways which do not compromise morality, righteousness, truth, and obedience to God. She is not to submit to sinning in any way or to doing what is contrary to the biblical will and purpose of God for her life. But she is to value and to give regard to her husband, caring about him and his needs.

And husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her so that he might sanctify her. This is an unselfish love which prefers all that God prefers – all that is holy, righteous, morally pure and upright in the eyes of God. And it considers what is in the best interests of others, what is for their ultimate good. So when we love others with this kind of love we will not deliberately and habitually sin against them.

Husbands are also to love their wives as their own bodies. They are to treat their wives in the same manner as they would want to be treated, provided that it aligns with God’s will, i.e. in a way that is also honoring of and loving toward God. They are to love unselfishly, being willing to make personal sacrifices for the good of their wives. And wives should love their husbands in the same way in unselfish regard for the true needs of their husbands.

[Genesis 2:24; Matthew 5:28; Matthew 15:19-20; Matthew 19:4-9; Mark 7:20-23; Mark 10:6-9; Romans 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:1-13; 1 Corinthians 6:9-20; Galatians 5:13-24; Ephesians 5:22-33; Colossians 3:18-19; 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8; Titus 2:3-5; Hebrews 13:4; James 4:4; 1 Peter 3:1-7; 2 Peter 2:13-19]

In Harmony

Based off Romans 12:9-21; 1 Peter 3:8-17
An Original Work / September 2, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


Love each other truly.
Cling to what is good.
Hate all that is evil.
Never lack in zeal.
Serve the Lord with fervor.
Joyful in hope be;
Patient in affliction;
Praying faithfully.
Honor one another.
Live in harmony.

Share with all God’s people
Who are found in need.
Do not be conceited.
Sympathetic be.
Love, and show compassion
In humility.
Keep your tongue from evil.
Peaceful you must be.
Honor one another.
Live in harmony.

God sees who are righteous;
Listens to their prayers.
But He’s against evil –
Is His to avenge.
Do not fear what they fear.
Suffer patiently.
In your hearts, make Christ Lord.
Serve Him faithfully.
Honor one another.
Live in harmony.

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An Original Work / October 26, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

The Venting Thread

@bèlla

You are overflowing with wisdom and good advice bella!! God is definitely with you!! :clap::clap::cheer::cheer::cookie::cookie::custard::custard:

I am very grateful to God for you and and your kind heart that is always willing to share and help others!! [Hugs] :hug::hug::hug::hug::):):cookie::cookie::custard::custard:

bella, you are a great blessing from God!! Thank you bella!! :):):hug::hug::cookie::cookie::custard::custard:

Thank you for the compliment. I contemplated weighing in a few days ago and decided against it. I don’t know you personally or your situation to be forthright in the manner required. Dilemmas like these require hard conversations. You can’t mince words and hope for the best. That’s all I say on that. :)

When you want to get married you have to spend a lot of time on yourself. Because you’re the greatest impediment. Not the market, gender wars, feminism, etc. Every age has its challenges. But we can’t allow that to derail us or force us to rush the process. We proceed with it in mind because it comprises the truths we confront in light of our goals. But they‘re not the barriers most assume. They don’t know how to navigate.

Our starting point is the Lord and we ask as Christ did who do You say I am? Not the media, society, family or believers. The Lord’s vision is great and He sees the duckling and the swan. It’s our responsibility to see ourselves as He does. Even when the world says otherwise or reminds us of our mistakes. It doesn’t change our identity.

We have to wrestle with ourselves internally to hold on to do. We’re subjected to influences that try to define us and we must develop an ability to resist. If you can’t say no to that you’ll have difficulty doing the same for greater stakes or denying yourself. Anything that doesn’t agree with His assessment should be scrutinized. Are they minor details we can iron out between us or major diversions?

Once you know who you are you can ask Him why you’re here and He’ll answer. You need both elements before you bring in another because everyone has an agenda. They’ve already decided what they want from the other. The majority admit what’s publicly acceptable and you learn the lingo and hear it often. But that isn’t the whole and getting it out them requires wisdom. Most people will never confess the things they want that may lead to rejection or the things they’ve done. The shrewdest ones let you do all the talking and piggyback off your statements.

I used to converse with someone many years ago who taught me that lesson. We were on a forum and I noticed his profile was empty in a certain area. Instead of admitting what he wanted in a partner he had a quote by Marcel Proust. I was surprised and asked him why and he told me he wouldn’t support someone’s self-deception and provide something for them to draw from. He’d allow their intelligence to carry them where it would. When I read it I laughed because I knew what he meant and he was right.

Most people approach companionship from a beggarly position. They’re too afraid to admit what they want and hold out for it. After a while they’re looking for a chance. But when you know who you are you don’t demean yourself like that. It’s your complement or none because you see yourself as He does.

That’s real talk devoid of christianese.

~bella
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Not Woke! Awakened! A Welcome Event

That's true but that isn't what Trump has done. He was ordered to stop deporting immigrants, illegally but he refused. He violates the Constitution regularly.
Nope, he hasn't violated the Constitution.
Due process. He is killing boaters without proof trying to stop them or giving them the opportunity to surrender, which is murder
No its not. Its the high seas and he protecting the country form thise who want to cross our boarders and murder Americans. They are terrorists.
They haven't tried to jail him. He was prosecuted for crimes and if the punishment was jail, then so be it
Nope they tried to jail him. If you want to accuse Trump of doing the same thing then fine, but admit what they did to him. If we are to accept your claim then you have to be consistent with it.
They were legitimate prosecutions.
So are these. Be consistent.
I've offered no hypocrisy.
Your whole post was filled with hypocrisy.
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WHY LAW OF MOSES. AND THE NEW COVENANT IS NOT TODAY V?

And maybe you have a verse by Paul , preach how anyone is saved by the NEW COVANENT. !!
In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting the Law of Moses in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so those who the position that the Law of Moses has been set aside is also the position that the New Covenant has been set aside.


We doe know that the Law of Moses has been set ASIDE and Acts 28: 25-28. and ISA 6:1-13 and Acts 2:36-38. is
Notably none of those verses say that the Law of Moses has been set aside.

another PROOF. that Israel was set aside and ONLY SOME. 3000. were saved !!

And the New Covenant. is made with Israel !!

Do. you have a verse HOW anyone can be saved by the NEW COVANENT TODAY

And do you EXPLAIN Israel and Judah are TODAY. ??
It was in accordance with God's righteousness to be a doer of charity before God made the Mosaic Covenant, so that covenant becoming obsolete does not mean that it is no longer in accordance with God's righteousness to be a doer of charity. While God's covenants include instructions for how to be a doer of His righteousness, the way to do that is based on God's righteousness, not on any particular covenant. God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore any instructions that He has ever given for how to be a doer of His righteousness are eternally and cumulatively valid (Psalms 119:160). If God were to give two people different sets of instructions for how to be a doer of His righteousness in different situations, then all of those instructions would have the same trait in common, and all of them would be eternally and cumulatively valid for a third person whose goal is to know God by being a doer of His righteousness even though God did not directly give them any instructions. The only way that eternal instructions for how to be a doer of God's righteousness can be set aside would be by first setting aside God's eternal righteousness, and the same is true for God's other character traits.


And do you have a verse how any Jew can be saved TODAY. . try 2 Cor 3:13-16
God has not commanded anything that is not in accordance with walking in the Spirit, but rather Jesus set a perfect example for us to follow of how to walk in the Spirit by walking in sinless obedience to the Torah. In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God. In John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading to obey the Torah, and in Psalms 119:142, the Torah is truth. In John 16:8, the Spirit has the role of convicting us of sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Torah that we have knowledge of what sin is. In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Torah. In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted with desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Torah while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's character that the Torah was given in order to teach us how to embody. For example, love is one of the fruits of the Spirit and the greatest two commandments of the Torah are to love God and our neighbor. Romans 2:25-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to the Torah, which is the same way to tell for a Jew (Deuteronomy 30:6), and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit and do not obey the Torah.

In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that the Torah is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! In Deuteronomy 32:46-47, the Torah is our very life. In Proverbs 3:18, it is a Tree of Life for all who take hold of it. In Proverbs 6:23, for the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light, and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to have eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit the gift of eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments of the Torah. In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has becoming a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him. In Romans 2:6-7, those who persist in doing good will be given eternal life. In Romans 6:19-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but are now to present ourselves as salves to God and righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so being a doer of the Torah is God's gift of eternal life.

So 2 Corinthians 3:6 needs to be understood in light of the other verses that says that the New Covenant involves following the Torah, that the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Torah, and that being a doer of the Torah is the gift of eternal life rather than a way that contradicts them. If the letter referred to correctly doing what God has commanded and that leads to death, then that would mean that God would be misleading us and shouldn't be trusted, but rather there is something deficient about following the letter that causes the Torah to lead to death rather than life.


And remember that Paul is the apostle to. the GENTILES and what Paul wrote in. his 12 EPISTLES. are written

to. the BODY of CHRIST and 1. Cor 11:1 that we are to be IMITATORS OF ME and in. the Greek , Me is

EMPHATIC , meaning Paul and no one ELSE , !!

dan p
Paul and Christ both set examples for us to follow of how to live in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 24:14) and we should be intimidators of Paul as he is of Christ.
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Church of Nigeria Severs Ties with Church of England Following Appointment of Pro-LGBT Archbishop

Because Scotts or Americans don't necessarily want to identify primarily as Anglican just because they follow an episcopal form of church governance.

Aside from this forum, and the few Continuing Anglicans (a phenomenon that began in the 1970's as a reactionary movement), American Episcopalians did not identify as Anglican except in specific contexts. It was considered obtuse or even offensive. The Protestant Episcopal church of the US is a self-governing church, and has been for centuries, with episcopal succession through the Scottish Nonjurors who objected to the "glorious revolution" of the 1660's (William of Orange) as being unlawful.

For many Anglicans around the world, their religion is simply part of the ancient Christian Church in whatever local context it finds itself. The idea of Anglicanism as a distinctive worldwide identity has more to do with the legacy of colonialism than serious theological engagement anyways.
Thanks for the response!
Right after the American Revolution, there were (not surprisingly) hard feelings between the US and England. There was a time when it wasn't clear whether the Anglican church in the US would survive -- partly because the church was associated in people's minds with England (a touchy point just then), and partly because we didn't yet have any American bishops, and any Americans who wanted to be consecrated by bishops in England would have to take an oath of allegiance to the king, which wasn't going to happen. In the end, the first American bishop was consecrated by bishops in Scotland. Our debt to Scotland is why the cross of St Andrew appears on our flag.

We've long since patched things up with England, though. I don't think the term "Anglican" has been considered offensive in the US in my lifetime. It's just that we got used to calling ourselves "Episcopalian".
Thank you as well!
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Is music getting worse?

I think it has both got worse in some areas and better in others. Mostly worse in that the digital age has generally made it easier to produce music of all sorts. Being able to artifically enhance music and taking the realness out. The mistakes even out or live audience interaction which takes things to another level of the music.

I watched a doco with Dave Grohl who was saving this mixing board from an old 1970s Sound City Studio. Where the likes of Fleetwood Mac, Tom Petty, the Peppers, Nivarna, Guns and Roses, Pat Benatar, Niel Young ect recorded. Grohl was saving the mixing board because it captured a unique real live sound that has been lost. And you can hear that difference which is more anaologue.

At the same time occassionally you see a brilliant muso like they are a reincarnation of an icon. I think of Amy Whinehouse and how she captured the spirit of Joplin and yet updated it in a brilliant way that captured the current time. But also how the music was fused with other styles like jazz and electronic.

So there are still originals out there like in the past that come along and you know them. They have something about them. Dylan was a spokeman for a generation and it was not just the music. He said something and people listened.

I think thats the human aspect thats missing perhaps. That real connection between the muso and the people. Maybe the digital age like most things has dehumanised music as well.

I would like to see the live scene come back. Maybe in a modern version where there also a bit of electronics. But live so that theres audience interaction. In live performance sometimes the same song is played differently. Or expressed differently. I think thats whats mising with digital music. It can be great music but intuitively it just isn't the same.

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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

If the Lord wanted me to move to Israel at some point in the future, I would. I think it unlikely at my age, but I'm open to his leading. I doubt, though, that he would ask me to go through the hassle of relocation when he knew that he was about to return anyway.
Being the Lords Witnesses and His Light to the nations and displaying His glory as we live in all of the Holy Land. Revelation 7:9
My people; gathered from many nations...Ezekiel 38:8 I shall demonstrate My power and make Myself known...I am the Lord. Ezekiel 38:23

We are His witnesses, Isaiah 43:8-13, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations, Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16, also Ezekiel 39:27
THAT is our task, our destiny and our great privilege.
If the Lord wanted me to move to Israel at some point in the future, I would. I think it unlikely at my age, but I'm open to his leading.
I know I will be going to live in the Holy Land for the end times. There is plenty of Prophecy about this, Psalms 107, is just one.
I meant, when we meet with the Lord - which will be after we die.
When we die, we know nothing, Eccl 9:5-6 Our next conscious moment, will be as we stand before God in Judgment. Rev 20:11-15
I suspect they say that because there are far better things that you could be doing with your time than trying to reconstruct OT prophesies and know the unknowable.
Internet evangelism, for example - preach the cross and not end times.
OK, so because you disagree with what I post, I should say to the Lord: I reject Your commission to promote the Prophetic Word.
Millions of pastors preach the Cross. Very few preach the truths of Prophecy. I do and no amount of moaning and whinging from those whose beliefs I have rattled, will stop me.
I have got it wrong and am wrong for not listening to you.
Top marks!
You still haven't explained how you know that Zechariah's flying scroll with writing on both sides, refers to a to nuclear bomb.
The barrel in Zech 5, as my REBible more correctly translates it, does have 2 sides - a front and a back. A rolled up scroll is the same.
That it does contain radioactive material, is shown by the lead covering.
The Lord showed Zechariah something that has only been in existence for 40 or so years and is now in the hands of the crazy Mullahs of Iran.
The dismiss the significance of all this is just a 'head in the sand' reaction.
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Why Does the Bible Tell Us to Behave In Ways We Can’t? How Can Anyone Be Saved?

Is it?.....

Joh 14:12 Indeed, I tell you truly, the-one believing upon Me, the works which I do, shall that-one do also, and greater than these shall he do, because I go unto My Father.

That's the standard that Jesus gave all of us, not just the apostles,... but it looks like the apostles did reach that standard by their recorded actions.
No, Christ reached the standard and then imputed it to them.
I do get the feeling that you are somewhat against the idea that a Christian can walk free of sin, but to reach this standard that Jesus gave us, we have to.
We are all called to be perfect, which drives us to the only true source of perfection: Jesus Christ. Yet perfection is not a gift without a cost. The law demands payment, and that price is eternal destruction. Thankfully, Christ paid that price on our behalf, giving us his perfection while taking our imperfection upon himself.
Most Christians nowadays become defeatist about such a notion. They see themselves caught up in sinful activities and eventually give up after so long a time, and think that everyone else around them must also be caught up in their sins. That's not always the case.
Not sure what you men by "caught up in their sins." We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. And yes, I was one who gave up and finally surrendered to Jesus Christ who has saved me to the uttermost so that I now stand before God as if I had never sinned becuse Christ stood before God as a damned sinner.
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Full List of Democrats Who Voted Against Paying US Military During Shutdown

Being in Texas, we hear about the cattle industry, which right now is in turmoil over Trump's plan to expand Argentina's share of the US beef industry from 5% to 25% of the total market. Most Texas cattlemen are, of course, Trump supporters, but this move will kill many of them.

Trump says he's doing it to reduce the cost of beef to the consumer, and that the US beef producers should be happy that during his administration, the beef market has been improving. But, in fact, the market had taken a fragile upturn long before he took office. Their real problem right now is the consolation of the beef packing industry (their immediate buyers) which today consists of only four companies. That's a non-competitive situation that Trump policies have been acerbating...and now comes Trump propelling Argentina into the market.
I don't eat red meat much. I read it stays in your body longer. If I get hamburger meat. I get less fat. And very picky, where Io I prefer chicken meat. So, I'm not much help, when it comes to eating Texas meat. But I would think meat closer to me. Would be clearer. I know a lot of my vegetables comes from Mexico. But that's closer to me that a lot of states. But I'm trying to grow more of my vegetables. As chicken. I guess I should see where it came from.
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Arctic Monkeys

UK band. Any thoughts?
Love em lol. They are from Sheffield around 15 miles from where I lived in Chesterfield. I never got to see them live though. I was an Aussie in England running a fish and chip shop lol. So never had much time to do much at all. Had a young family as well.

But I had staff who were into all the music at the time. As the shop was within the entertainment area of the twon with all the clubs and pubs the music was constantly playing somewhere. Being an Aussie where the culture was quite laid back and more rock and country music or Aussie style music. It was a culture shock hearing all these great bands which many would not have heard coming at you from everywhere.

Many bands never even made it to international recognition and yet were just as good as Oasis, Blur, and the big names at the time. I use to workk in Sheffield and the city is a well known music city with the likes of Def Leppord, Joe Cocker, Christ Rea, Pulp, Human League, ABC, Thompson Twins and many others.

What I like about the Artic Monkeys is they exemplify the Yorkshire and Derbyshire culture. You can hear it in the accent. I lot count of the times I would have heard "mardy bum" or "got the face on" for acting sad and whinging lol. I loved the accent and its local and a culture in itself. A bit like the Beatles Liverpoolian accent and other bands like Gerry and the Pacemakers having a similar accent.

I am back in Australia. But I heard that Yorkshire accent for years and have a soft spot for music not just from Yorkshire but around that area in the north like Manchester and Liverpool.

My favorite song and performance was the Artic Monkeys at Glastonbury 2007. I wish I would have been there.

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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

But thats factual not spectulation. Fact we found the vases with the Naqada culture.
Only some vases have provenance going back to archeological digs. The rest are not informational.
Fact the are at a level that required some sort of lathing due to their high symmetry and circularity.
Not fact, the well-provenanced vases are not necessarily of qualities that need some kind of lathing.
Fact they did not have lathes or the potters wheel.
But they might have had non-inertial turntables.
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