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Israel-Hamas Thread II

UK, Canada and Australia, Portugal has now also officially declared its recognition of a Palestinian state.
Did they also recognize it as a terrorist state? I think not. What government did they recognize? Whats rhe official borders of rhis supposed state?

These countries are a joke as well as rhe UN. Its the UN that helped HAMAS build all those tunnels instead of feeding and helping the people.

They are an anti-semetic organization.
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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

Abdaham believed the promise (Ge 15:5, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16), and that belief in the promise was credited to him as righteousness (Ge 15:6).
No, Abraham believed God, without knowing the details or specifics let alone knowing Christ, the Seed, and it was credited to him as righteousness That was plenty enough at that point. God would do as He promised.
According to the NT, Christianity is all about Christ, his atoning work (Ro 3:25) and our redemption through faith in Christ (Eph 2:8-9
According to the NT your faith in Christ is faith in God-the whole point is to get to, or back to, Him.

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.
John 14:6-9

Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God. 1 Pet 1:21
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EX-FBI chief Comey’s post to ‘86’ Trump condemned by White House as attempt to put ‘hit’ on president

From what I read yesterday. That Trump hired a new attorney Lindsey Halligan. Because Erik S. Siebert because she wouldn't falsely indicate James Comey. Which means , that someone is breaking the law for Trump.
Regardless there is evidence that Comey lied about telling a subordinate to leak to the press and now it's came out that he met with Obama in 2016 and discussed Clinton's plans to accuse Trump of collusion with Russia.
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What Would Jesus Say About Vaccines?

Some criticize vaccines, or reject them entirely, then tell us that God is on their side. I don’t think so.

Jesus heals a leper and says, “Show yourself to the priest.” (Luke 5:12-14) The Jewish priesthood at the time functioned as the health department, among other things. Jesus did not say, “I don’t care what the priest thinks!” Instead, He said, “Show yourself to the priest.” Cooperate with the recognized authority in matters of public health.

Smallpox was a horrible disease for thousands of years, condemning many people to a slow, painful death. Some who survived were left disfigured. The World Health Organization declared it eradicated in 1980, since no cases had been seen since 1977. The eradication of smallpox is one of the greatest achievements in history.

I received a smallpox vaccination as a child. The doctor explained it to me. “Mortality for smallpox is 50%. Half the people who get it die.”

My parents remembered people living in fear of polio. A healthy person could be struck by polio and be totally or partially paralyzed in hours or days.

With Dr. Jonas Salk as the lead researcher, a polio vaccine was introduced between 1952 and 1954. Studies were needed to determine its effectiveness. In April of 1955, headlines screamed: “The Vaccine Works!” Nobody had to ask what vaccine they were talking about. Jonas Salk did not try to patent the vaccine or profit from it. The only goal was to offer it to as many people as possible at the lowest possible price.

Today, polio has been virtually eradicated. Salk became a celebrity. When he got on a plane, the pilot would announce, “Jonas Salk is aboard!” and people would applaud. That attitude is much healthier than the anti-vaccine nonsense that we have been hearing.

EX-FBI chief Comey’s post to ‘86’ Trump condemned by White House as attempt to put ‘hit’ on president

I saw this shell formation on the beach, it said "Indicted "
Notably, only for obstruction and making a false statement, not threatening the President.

And the reality is that, no matter the outcome, these charges will forever be tainted by the blatant political influence, with the President specifically naming targets that he wanted the AG to file charges against, proclaiming them guilty, and then firing the US Attorney for the relevant district (who he himself had appointed) because he said there wasn't a case and replacing him with his own personal attorney. This is legitimate Banana Republic stuff.

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Pregnant women taking Tylenol to spite Trump

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Karoline Leavitt rebukes Democrats for not condemning Charlie Kirk's murder: 'Truly a sad moment'

That is incorrect. The day of the murder, Democrats condemned the murder






Democrats were all condemning the murder just after it happened. The resolution was something different which occurred a week after the murder.
And what was the press secretary speaking about?

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt condemned political violence Monday during the first press briefingsince the murder of conservative political activist Charlie Kirk, and condemned Democrats who voted against aresolutioncondemning his murder.

You're wrong. Check your facts. She was speaking about those who didn't vote for the resolution

Karoline Leavitt rebukes Democrats for not condemning Charlie Kirk's murder: 'Truly a sad moment'

You should do the same

58 House Democrats just voted against a simple resolution honoring the life of Charlie Kirk, another 38 voted present, and 22 refused to vote at all. That means the majority of House Democrats refused to vote for a resolution that condemns political violence and extends condolence to Kirk’s family.
That is incorrect. The day of the murder, Democrats condemned the murder






Democrats were all condemning the murder just after it happened. The resolution was something different which occurred a week after the murder.
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ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

We all know that Trump runs his mouth too much and says inexcusable things, but I have to admit that @Yttrium has a good point
The bad part of specifically Trump doing it is that he normalizes it. Even if he's just "running his mouth," people hear what he says and repeat it, and it lowers the quality of discourse in the country.

ETA: just look at how the nature of discussions here have changed since Trump came on the scene (and especially in the past 4-5 years)
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Pregnant women taking Tylenol to spite Trump

I posted it earlier in this thread,
You posted response from Tylenol but not the question to Tylenol, which I cannot find either. It really doesn’t matter because that was posted in 2017 and Tylenol has stated that is not their current recommendation.
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Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise

No chance the ADL is biased though?
The Federalist has reported some problems with their findings
Regardless of any bias the ADL may have, no study conducted over the past 20 years has reached a conclusion that contradicts the findings of the ADL report that right-wing violence outpaces that of any other ideological violence in the US. That may be changing going forward due to the current political environment, but that's the consensus among studies done up to this point.
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Trump replaces Biden’s portrait with a picture of auto-pen

The man who you are insulting is responsible for stopping 7 wars between nations. Perhaps the leaders of your own nation could learn something from him.
That doesn’t alter the fact that Trump is extremely petty and childish.
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Trump replaces Biden’s portrait with a picture of auto-pen

The epitome of pettiness. It shows him for exactly the type of person he is. You have an immature child in the White House.
The man who you are insulting is responsible for stopping 7 wars between nations. Perhaps the leaders of your own nation could learn something from him.
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Has Kirk's Death Prompted You?

As a scandinavian it is common and fully accepted to be outspoken. THOUGH we are careful to be "nice" about it. We allow everyone to have their say, have their own beliefs, live and let live. nothing changed there. we do not see much of the strong divisions you see in the US. we have never had that tradition. we think it is too far and ridiculous. we shake our head. we are like just let people have their say no point arguing. you cannot change others.
I am American & I remember becoming an adult in the 1980s from high school to my mid 20s. I was politically minded then & there was plenty of arguments, name calling, obscene gestures etc. The thing is, I don’t remember anyone wanting to become so easily violent about even bitter disagreements. I didn’t hate the people I disagreed with; I was often an arrogant & onery ignoramus but to actually intend violent harm was unthinkable.
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Pregnant women taking Tylenol to spite Trump

The post is not available in context. Regardless, it is the only over the counter pain reliever/fever reducer recommended for pregnant women.

Ultimately, just add this controversy to the growing list of reasons for women to avoid pregnancy. The sacrifice in terms of risk of life, bodily damage, and physical discomfort is becoming less and less worth it.
I posted it earlier in this thread,
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ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

Well, let's not just look at the rank and file. Why don't we go straight to the top for what the right thinks of the left. I thinks that's fair. Then we don't have to get into how many said this or how many said that. So...from here: 'So evil' and 'dangerous': Trump doubles down on calling Democrats 'enemies from within'

'Trump doubled down on those comments during his Tuesday night town hall, also calling Democrats “evil” and “dangerous.”

“They’re Marxists and communists and fascists, and they’re sick,” Trump added. “We have China, we have Russia, we have all these countries. If you have a smart president, they can all be handled. The more difficult are, you know, the Pelosis, these people, they’re so sick and they’re so evil,” Trump said.'

Personally speaking, I think that anyone that demonises the political opposition by using terms like sick and evil should be called out. It's not productive. And neither is your post.
We all know that Trump runs his mouth too much and says inexcusable things, but I have to admit that @Yttrium has a good point
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Pregnant women taking Tylenol to spite Trump

They did make the tweet in 2017 in response to a question and said they didn't recommend that pregnant women take any of their products.
I don't know how you take that out of context.
The post is not available in context. Regardless, it is the only over the counter pain reliever/fever reducer recommended for pregnant women.

Ultimately, just add this controversy to the growing list of reasons for women to avoid pregnancy. The sacrifice in terms of risk of life, bodily damage, and physical discomfort is becoming less and less worth it.
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(MOVED) Fearful

Your country is scary for the amount of self-censorship it demands.

I'm not altogether convinced I'll still have a country by the time the current administration runs its course. I wish that was just hyperbole, but at the moment it's a genuine and sincere sentiment.

-CryptoLutheran
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Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) or Keep the faith until the end?

I also don't have a problem using the word "sovereign."

Well that's good. Especially since there are words in Hebrew and Greek that can be rendered as "sovereign".

It doesn't address why you are okay with one non-biblical word but then take issue with another. Unless you're just admitting to being arbitrary.

-CryptoLutheran
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