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Another look at the moon landing.

This would be true if they existed, the stars exist but not galaxies and planets
2 Kings 23:5 - KJV
And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.
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Truth

We believe neither of those things with absolute certainty. I'm not sure what your boggle is. Everybody should be aware of this.
Maybe aware but not in reality. For example when it comes down to it material atheist will use the material evidence to prove the theistic worldview as unreal and false.

People cannot help it as primarily its about metaphysics and what in reality is real or not. So though being aware in practice they live as though their worldview is the only truth which can be used to attack and deny any opposing metaphysics.

We see it everyday in the many debates on forums like this. When science is used to dispute and even dominate over alternative views even dictating what is taught and allowed this is beyond science and into epistemic dogmas about how we should understand what is reality. Just like the church did in days gone by.

The science method is deemed as the only pure and real epistemics above all other alternatives. In doing so it is also positing an ontological truth that there is only material reality at the fundemental level. Or that at least this material reality trumps all other ways of knowing and ontogies such as the thiestic or transcedental ontologies.
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Another look at the moon landing.

I'll go with the truth which is God's word.
Yes, it is.
But the interpretation is yours.

And there is a big difference between reading the Bible, learning what was said in the original language, the style of writing used and what those receiving it would have understood by those words, and reading a particular translation of the Bible in English and taking every word to be literal.
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What did they teach you in school , flat or round earth?

You keep saying that, but the Hebrew word has two meaning, "expanse" and "solid surface."

Yes I know but I'll go with the latter as it states in the Bible.

New International Version
can you join him in spreading out the skies, hard as a mirror of cast bronze?

New Living Translation
he makes the skies reflect the heat like a bronze mirror. Can you do that?

English Standard Version
Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a cast metal mirror?

Berean Standard Bible
can you, like Him, spread out the skies, as strong as a mirror of bronze?

King James Bible
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

New King James Version
With Him, have you spread out the skies, Strong as a cast metal mirror?

New American Standard Bible
“Can you, with Him, spread out the skies, Strong as a cast metal mirror?

NASB 1995
“Can you, with Him, spread out the skies, Strong as a molten mirror?

NASB 1977
“Can you, with Him, spread out the skies, Strong as a molten mirror?

Legacy Standard Bible
Can you, with Him, spread out the skies, Strong as a molten mirror?
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Dozens of OB-GYNs fled Idaho after its abortion ban. Medicaid cuts could make access to care even worse.

They can absolutely leave if they want
(the same is actually true of the fireman, police, and teachers...they're not locked in like military members)

But as I noted, the tone is very different from coverage of previous incidents.

It was portrayed as "officers abdicating their responsibilities" and "officers being selfish and unwilling to work under the conditions/provisions that the citizens of the city wanted" when a quarter of the Seattle PD packed up and moved.


But nevertheless, it still comes down the question of whether or that sort of influence imbalance is a reasonable arrangement.

70% of a State's 2 million citizens want X
200 people in this mission critical area want Y


Admittedly, I can't think of a quick/easy solution to solve that imbalance short of some regulatory measures that would be more heavy handed than either faction would like.

Police are civil servants, doctors are not.
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Another look at the moon landing.

This would be true if they existed, the stars exist but not galaxies and planets as NASA describes,
They do exist. Planets are wandering stars, that is what the word means. You have been told this before.
Anyway, planets were not something that NASA invented - NASA was only set up in 1958.
The Hebrew word raqia (רקיע), often translated as "firmament," refers to a solid, dome-like structure created by God on the second day of creation, separating the waters above from the waters below. It is described as a space that is stretched out and hammered into firmness.
This is the bit which is not in Genesis.
God did not stretch out a space, neither can a space be hammered.

You don't believe space exists, anyway.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Actually Khufu is attributed as the builder by Josephus I think. It was already spectulated that Khufu was the pharoah of the Giza pyramid. There was skepticism as this was discovered on the last day of his dig.

But the skepticism was not just about the signature. There were a number of reasons. One being Egyptian pharoahs were known to attach their names to works they did not build or had added to which already existed. Ramses II was notorious for doing this.

But also the Egyptiansd own stories and Kings list which suggest that the history goes back some 30,000 years. But because mainstream treat this as myth they have to attribute everything to the old Kingdom pharoahs. Who may have just inherited some of these great works.
Let me repeat myself the pharaoh's inscription was found in the uppermost load relieving chamber above the King's chamber.
These chambers were inaccessible even to tomb robbers which means the inscriptions in the form of graffiti must have been done before the pyramid was completed.
The chambers were intact until 1837 when Howard Vyse used gunpowder to access them and discovered the graffiti.

The graffiti translates as Khnum-Khufu which means Khnum protects me or Khnum is my protector.Khnum was a local deity which had some influence in the 4th dynasty when the pyramid was built.

The identity of the pharaoh has assumed many different names over the centuries.

Source TypeApprox. Date of SourceEvidence / DescriptionName Given in SourceDiscovery / Translation Date
Ancient Historian – Herodotusc. 450 BCEIn Histories, attributed the pyramid to “Cheops.”CheopsKnown since antiquity
Ancient Historian – Diodorus Siculusc. 60–30 BCEWrote that it was built by “Chemmis.”ChemmisKnown since antiquity
Ancient Historian – Straboc. 64 BCE – 24 CEAttributed the pyramid to “Cheops.”CheopsKnown since antiquity
Graffiti in Campbell’s Chamber (uppermost relieving chamber)4th Dynasty (c. 26th century BCE)Red ochre quarry marks including cartouches of Khnum-Khufu in the highest relieving chamber above the King’s Chamber.Khnum-Khufu1837 CE (discovery)
Westcar PapyrusCopy c. 1600 BCE (from older stories)Story refers to the king in magical tales.Khufu1824 CE (discovery) / 1852 CE (partial translation by Lepsius)
Khufu Statuette (Abydos find)Old Kingdom, 4th DynastySmall ivory statuette with Khufu’s name.Khufu1903 CE (discovery)
Wadi al-Jarf Papyri (Diary of Merer)4th Dynasty (c. 26th century BCE)Records transport of limestone to “Akhet-Khufu.”Khufu2013 CE (discovery & first publication)
Manetho’s Aegyptiacac. 3rd century BCENamed the builder “Suphis.”SuphisKnown since antiquity (via later excerpts)
Palermo Stone (Royal Annals)24th–25th century BCE (4th Dynasty entries)Lists Khufu as a king, records regnal events and Nile floods.Khufu1825 CE (discovery) / 1877 CE (first partial translation by Emil Brugsch)
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Another look at the moon landing.

But that goes against what your wrote earlier: "the original Hebrew word for "firmament," which refers to the "expanse" or "solid surface" Now you say it can't mean one or the other, as you said before, and as the reference books and concordances also say. Now you say it must mean a solid dome. It doesn't have to - it can also mean "expanse.".

I'll go with the truth which is God's word.
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All humans are 50th cousins?

***random thought***

It's my understanding, most dead remains will eventually decompose, turn to dust, and nothing will be left.

Those who turned to fossils are an anomaly.

Is that true?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

No, it is kind of true. Fossilization is a rare thing to happen, let alone the fossils being able to survive the millennia since they formed to be able to be dug up.
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Recompense To The Proud

“O Lord, God of vengeance,
God of vengeance, shine forth!
2 Rise up, O Judge of the earth,
Render recompense to the proud.
3 How long shall the wicked, O Lord,
How long shall the wicked exult?
4 They pour forth words, they speak arrogantly;
All who do wickedness vaunt themselves.
5 They crush Your people, O Lord,
And afflict Your heritage.
6 They slay the widow and the stranger
And murder the orphans.
7 They have said, ‘The Lord does not see,
Nor does the God of Jacob pay heed.’” (Psalm 94:1-7 NASB1995)

There are many truly wicked people on the earth, for whom sinful actions and behaviors are their practice. They are the proud, the disdainful, the morally corrupt, the thieves, the liars, the adulterers, the malicious, etc. Many are they who are in positions of power and control over other people, who take advantage of other people’s trust for their own personal gain. For they are the manipulative and the charmers, who deceive the naïve.

They are abusers and users, the addicted, and adulterers who abuse those entrusted to them. Many of them are in positions of authority over others and they use their positions of authority to abuse those trusted to their care. So some of them are parents or grandparents, spouses, teachers, pastors of church congregations, elders and deacons within the church, heads of businesses, or supervisors over workers, and/or they are heads of nations.

And many of them are able to get away with their mistreatment of others because of their positions of power and rule over other people, and/or because they are wealthy, and/or because they give a lot of money to the church and/or to other charitable organizations. So the powerful, but guilty, often go unpunished while the weak, the vulnerable, and/or the innocent continue to be taken advantage of, while the church is largely asleep.

Many are they who are able to get away with their wickedness for generation after generation, because few people, it seems, are willing to confront evil, to call it what it is, and to address it biblically. And now we live in a generation where evil is being pampered, where it is being given other names other than “sin,” and where not many are being taught that they must abandon their sinful practices to now obey God, in practice.

So, the weak and the vulnerable, the widows and the orphans, go on being taken advantage of and misused and abused because we live in a culture which honors the wicked, the adulterers, the liars, and the manipulators, and which gives them permission to keep on living in their sins. And they call that “grace.” But the grace of God, which is bringing us salvation, is training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives, while we wait for the return of Christ Jesus.

So, this is a cry to God, for him to judge the earth, for him to judge the wicked who exult themselves and who take advantage of others. And this is also a cry to God for him to rescue his people from those who use and abuse. And his people are all who have trusted in Jesus Christ to be Lord and Savior of their lives, who are walking in the ways of the Lord, and not in sinful passions and desires. Many are they who are being persecuted.

[Matthew 5:10-12; Matthew 7:13-14; Matthew 10:16-39; Matthew 24:9-14; Luke 6:22-23; Luke 21:12-17; John 15:18-21; John 17:14; Romans 5:3-5; Philippians 3:7-11; 1 Peter 1:6-7; 1 Peter 4:12-17; 2 Timothy 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 3:1-5; James 1:2-4; 2 Corinthians 1:3-11; Hebrews 12:3-12; 1 John 3:13; Revelation 6:9-11; Revelation 7:9-17; Revelation 11:1-3; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 13:1-18; Revelation 14:1-13]

And so we need to know here that “the gospel” message, which is gaining the most popularity in the USA, and perhaps in other nations, is not the gospel taught by Jesus and by his New Testament apostles. For they taught that, by faith in Jesus Christ, we must deny self, die to sin daily, and follow our Lord in walks of surrender and in obedience to him and to his commands. For all who continue in deliberate and habitual sin, no matter what they profess with their lips, will not inherit eternal life with God.

Gospel:[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Seven Woes

Based off Matthew 23
An Original Work / May 31, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


Woe to you, teachers of the law;
Hypocrites, you keep men from God.
You refuse to obey the truth,
Nor will you permit others to.
You travel o’er land and sea
To win a single convert to you.
When he becomes one
You make him twice as much
A “son of hell” as you are.

Woe to you, blind guides of mankind.
You distort the words of your God.
By your practices you declare
Your oaths mean nothing, though you swear.
You give a tenth of your spices,
But you neglect justice, mercy.
When you focus your
Time and talents on
What is external, you miss out.

Woe to you, who appear so clean,
When inside you are crass and mean.
You work hard to look so upright,
While you hide all your sins inside.
You deceive yourselves when you think
You would not have done what others
Did to God’s messengers
And prophets of old,
For you will do much the same.
You’re to blame.

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Recompense To The Proud
An Original Work / August 23, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Illegal Immigration

Yes it is! Are you to obey God or the laws of men?

Well, both. It isn't either/or.

That's the difference! We live in a democracy.

We do not. We live in a constitutional republic, which is very different from mob rule Democracy.

But now that his masked ICE goon-squads are starting to grab any 'ethnic looking' person off the street - American citizen or not - what kind of society are you living in? Are you OK with tens of thousands of LEGAL American citizens being harassed like this?

Now you're just being dramatic lol
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Another look at the moon landing.

Because it does.
But that goes against what your wrote earlier: "the original Hebrew word for "firmament," which refers to the "expanse" or "solid surface" Now you say it can't mean one or the other, as you said before, and as the reference books and concordances also say. Now you say it must mean a solid dome. It doesn't have to - it can also mean "expanse.".
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Another look at the moon landing.

God (the divine Word) took on human flesh in Jesus, becoming both fully God and fully human in one person. He could perform what ever he wanted.
Of course He could. But the account says nothing about Him mysteriously passing through a solid dome. It just says that a cloud received Him out of the sight of the disciples.
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Another look at the moon landing.

One further point has just occurred to me: The disciples watched Jesus ascending. He didn't just ascend to what we call the sky, where birds and aeroplanes fly, or the moon. He ascended to heaven, the dwelling-place of God. We don't read that He had to perform a miracle to pass through a solid dome.

God (the divine Word) took on human flesh in Jesus, becoming both fully God and fully human in one person. He could perform what ever he wanted.
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Illegal Immigration

No we don't.
I know this is petty, but it grinds my gears when people say we live in a democracy. We do not. We live in a constitutional republic. There are big differences, fundamentally and practically, between the two.
And it always seems to be democrats who make this mistake. Makes me wonder why that is.
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