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Fact-checking Trump's 60 minutes interview

The topic is Trump's 60 minutes interview and his fabrications. Do you have anything to say about that?
I already have - with links -

If you want to stay on a specific topic - then stay on it. I'm replying to you introducing thoughts and supposed facts - which I am debunking.
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Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination

Speech does not cause murder.
It can incite murder.
Approving of such an idea can cause someone to be fired.
Stating is not approving.
Which is not a crime.
That depends....

So how did Dowd condone murder? He did not. So why should he be fired for his speech?
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

The covenant was not the issue, why He wrote the exact words of the covenant Psa89:34 Exo34:28 2Cor3:3 just established His New Covenant on better promises Heb8:6 (if we cooperate with Him) on what He will do, if we allow Him to Heb8:10 John14:15-18

According to Jeremiah, the promised New Covenant involved being sealed to obedience by the 'Spirit of the Fear of the Lord' it was not to be a matter of salvation by works.

Jer 32:40 I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts, so that they will not turn away from Me.
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The Reality of Free Will

The ins and outs of the free will vs determinism question is not explicit in Scripture, and any inference in either direction is likely being read into the text rather than dealing with what is in the text
I try to be a pragmatist. Scripture says we were made in the image of God. To know Who that Image is, is to know thyself. It is the purpose for the Scriptures that we should know God.

Objectively God IS that He IS. Scripture conveys that there is a subjective corruptible image of god in the world which keeps people in darkness. According to the Gospel, it can be discerned as an ignorance of the True Image of God who would suffer a cross of torture, betrayal, and shame, and yet in all sincerity would forgive his crucifiers saying they know not what they do. Again, we were made in God's Image, and we need a pure Image of HE Who IS to believe in (trust in) and conform to, in Character.

The Creator precedes the Creation. <-- As a theist, I would point out that this is an explicit example of determinism in one direction, and there is nothing to read into it. Admitting there is a source of the energy that formed all things, is the first precept of theism and the very sentiment of what the term Father means to every child of God.

Did you hurt your back when you made that reach?
It's the Gospel and the Word Christ Jesus speaking. Jesus is declaring there is an alternate father who is the father of lies. I think it's necessary to contemplate when the circumstance of freedom to choose is a choice between believing what is true and of God and what is a lie posing as the truth.
It is a demonstration of "ought implies can", there's no need to treat it as a special case.
It still doesn't imply voluntary.

Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, it's main idea is that two conflicting ideas be held at the same time.
According to the description it sounds like cognitive dissonance, which isn't good. That doesn't sound like what I'm doing.
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Why do people hate ICE...

Feds Drop Case Against Man Accused of Injuring Greg Bovino’s Groin

The man who federal agents accused of dealing Greg Bovino a groin injury from which the Border Patrol commander purportedly needed two weeks to recover will no longer face charges after prosecutors on Monday moved to drop their case against him.

Per a motion to dismiss the complaint, federal prosecutors will no longer pursue a charge of impeding a federal officer. Cole Sheridan, the protester, was initially charged with assaulting and impeding a federal officer over an Oct. 3 protest in which a Homeland Security Investigations agent accused the man of shoving Bovino. Prosecutors could still bring charges against Sheridan in another form.

Bovino has become a one-man flashpoint in Operation Midway Blitz, the administration’s escalation in Chicago, orchestrating showy stunts like a raid on a South Side apartment complex last month that involved Black Hawk helicopters. More recently, Bovino made a series of bizarre tactical hand gestures as he left a court hearing last week while surrounded by press.

Footage of the alleged altercation failed to support the assault claim, per reports from the hearing.

Bovino can't obey court orders and yet again DHS exaggerates incidents to threaten protestors with legal troubles.

This is telling from the judges statement.

“Without video of the actual physical exchange … there is only the evidence of the hearsay statement of Bovino,” Magistrate Judge Heather K. McShain reportedly said.

This judge should be impeached. No video of the actual exchange? Are you kidding me? There is rarely any video of any exchange between a victim and a suspect. There is testimony. A victim testifying is witness to their own victimization. Is this idiotic judge making rape victims show video of the actual altercation?

This judge is obviously biased against ICE and should be barred from any proceedings involving them.

Bovino probably should have gone to a doctor and gotten medical records. In my jurisdiction officers if assaulted can testify to the pain of an assault even if they don't have actual video. In a scuffle with the suspect there is rarely any video of the actual strike, grab or punch because of the cameras inability to capture that moment do to the bodies moving and parts blocking the lense etc. The officer can still testify that it happened and the charges move forward. This is moronic.
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Hello Everyone!

Thanks for the question. True Christianity to me is a person who has heard from God personally, and understands and acknowledges that Jesus loves them, and can offer them a free gift of salvation. Every true Christian responds to God by the faith that God gives them, faith that Jesus took their sins, that Jesus rose from the dead and faith that gives them a desire to lay down their lives for God and others in love. A true Christian too will continue on a path to know and understand God, the bible and find their place in what God wants them to do.

Of course there are more ways to state this but I think that covers the most basic things. Too often many approach God with their intellect. But every person has physical flesh, a mind and also a spirit within them. It is this spirit that allows them to live forever, and to live with God forever if they choose the path of Christianity. So one again has to hear from God to start the journey. He does desire and shows himself to every person in one way or another, but it sure does help to seek God to try and understand him and to learn from the bible. Hope that helps.
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Harvard conservative magazine is suspended by its own board after publishing article laced with Nazi rhetoric

A conservative magazine at Harvard University was suspended by its board of directors Sunday amid scrutiny over an article published in September that closely resembled the rhetoric of Adolf Hitler.

In its September print issue, the Harvard Salient published an article by student David F.X. Army that read “Germany belongs to the Germans, France to the French, Britain to the British, America to the Americans,” echoing the words Hitler used in a January 1939 speech to the Reichstag in which he forecasted that another world war would lead to the annihilation of Jews.

The Harvard Salient piece also argued that “Islam et al. has absolutely no place in Western Europe,” and called for a return to values “rooted in blood, soil, language, and love of one’s own.” (The phrase “blood and soil” also echoes a Nazi idea that the inherent features of a people are its land and race.)

The school’s mainstream student newspaper, the Harvard Crimson, published three opinionpieces criticizing the rhetoric used in the Salient piece, to which [Salient's editor in chief] Rodgers published his own article last week lamenting that “ordinary conservative thought is one headline away from criminality.”
Just America being America. Did the message of Jake and Elwood fall on deaf ears?
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The Schumer Shutdown

Its obvious st this point the propeganda put out by the lame stream media and the Democratic Party is winning. There are more Amerucans who blame Republicans for the shut down. What i find interesting is about 20% don't know who to blame. There is around 7% difference between who blames Republicans and who blames Democrats. Then there is still 20% who don't know despite pretty much all of media blaming Republicans.

And this whole SNAP snafu false propeganda. There is so much deception from the media and the Democratic party making people think SNAP can be fully funded with contingency when it can't be. It can't even be funded for a whole month.

I dont expect the Democrats to ever understand its their parties fault, but I do hold out hope that the 20% will eventually figure it out and realize its the Democratic Party holding everyone hostage.
Oh my the irony of this post...
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Stop Giving Your Jewish Kids Dumb Names

Many of the Hebrew names in the Bible are constructs of words from the Jewish vocabulary. It might be kind of like how Native Americans would use vocabulary words in a name to tell us something about the person.

"Dances With Wolves" > yeah . . . kind of like that.

So, yes there would be the matter of if "Cinnamon" comes from the Hebrew word for Cinnamon.

In English we do have some number of names that are made of vocabulary words > Faith, Hope, Love . . .

In Hebrew, Bethany means "Date House". So, in Hebrew you would hear people calling her Date House.
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Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination

Unless the employer is the government, in which case firing people for free speech is unconstitutional.
The employer is we the tax payers. We pay their salary. For the public employee, to believe it is ok to commit a crime ( especially heinous crimes like murder) because he does not like what you say or think should not be working for the public. That is an open and blatant threat. I would not want to be a co-worker, a neighbor, or be in proximity or contact with such an individual, let alone (employ) pay him.
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

Your choice of words is interesting - let me interpret...

Your denomination and teaching is from God - all else is from man.

I posted god's Own Words, you refused to even acknowledge them, much less discuss them. So at least, lets be honest about our own positions.
Now we have settled that - hope of a listening ear is rather unlikely.

Should I listen to a man who preaches "that Jesus "Refused to Comply with His Father's Laws"?

I'm not sorry that I won't be taking Spiritual advice from you.

However all is not lost because I am here to encourage the readers to walk in the New Covenant

In God's definition of His New Covenant, HE writes His Laws on the hearts of His People. "Many" people call Jesus Lord, Lord, but who strives not to "work iniquity"? Certainly Paul did, as His words clearly teach. So whose "New Covenant" are you promoting people to walk in? Your new covenant, when God's Laws have vanished. Or God's New covenant where His Laws are written on the hearts of the Faithful?

Remember, it's the "doers" of Christ's Sayings, whose house will stand, not the "hearers only".


and not the OT Law which has passed away as Paul taught. (commenting that all his Law keeping was like dung compared to His new found freedom in Christ.)

Can you show me where Paul, as a Pharisee, was obedient to God's Laws?

You philosophy is grounded in the teaching of men, "who come in Christ's Name", not in the Just, Good and Holy Laws of God.

But so has it been for the religions of this world since Noah.
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Which Groups Are More Likely To Believe That Violence Is Sometimes Necessary To Gain Political Aims?

You sure do have a bad habit of selective editing and failing to respond to the central point.
My bad. It's just that you said that the justice of a rebellion tends to be decided by whether or not it is successful. Twice. And Jan 6 was not succesful. Maybe you just didn't think it through.
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Is the Bible inerrant?

  • the "Spirit of truth" will come and guide believers into "all truth" this to mean the Holy Spirit will provide new insights and understanding of the Scriptures, rather than replacing them entirely.
    • Scripture and the Holy Spirit: The Holy Spirit is considered the divine interpreter of Scripture, illuminating its truths and guiding believers in applying them to their lives. Therefore, the guidance of the Holy Spirit does not eliminate the need for studying the Bible; rather, it enhances the study of it.
    . Jesus’ teaching was about the Holy Spirit guiding believers into all truth, a role that complements and builds upon the scriptures, not one that replaces them.
Jesus Himself knew, respected, and lived by God's word, using it to overcome temptation (quoting "it is written"). He emphasized the importance of searching the Scriptures because they testify about Him and lead to eternal life (John 5:39).

Despite the incredible importance/necessity of the scriptures to the Jews and to many religions and despite Jesus being fully aware of it.

Jesus never referred to the scriptures as the Word of God.

Jesus referred to scriptures distinctly from the Word of God.

Jesus quoted from scriptures "it is written" because at that time, the Holy Spirit has not been given yet. The scriptures is the only way Jesus can reach common ground with the Jews including His disciples.

Also given the huge importance of the Torah / Bible up to the modern times, the primary source of Godly wisdom and knowledge to many Christians, not once did Jesus mentioned the continued study of scriptures.

Nor the Holy Spirit will only (mostly) guide you in studying the scriptures. John 16:13 "All Truth". is the not the same as the Holy Scriptures. Because truth is also found in science, history, journalism, etc (not everything you hear or read on the internet or books are lies). If the scripture is far more important than all other sources of the Truth, Jesus would not simply bunch them all up as "All Truth". Jesus would have probably said, "guide you in the scriptures and all other truths".

Only the Apostles like Peter, Paul etc, continue regarding the scriptures of such huge importance.

Jesus didn't.

Disciples who were ex-Pharisees did. I'm not saying the Apostles are bad nor spreading false teachings deliberately. But a lifetime of being Pharisee, living among Pharisees can't easily come off even after couple of years walking with Christ. A clear pattern is emerging.
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I Remember...

Lol ... We didn't even have the option of buying lunch!
^_^

We all brown bagged it ... usually with "baloney", or cheese, or PB&J sandwiches ... but our parents did pay for us to have milk (chocolate :hearteyes: or white) with our sandwiches.

Yes, Mom paid for milk. Chocolate wasn't available. I wish I had asked hubby what the kids had for lunch in the one room schoolhouse he attended! The only information he told me was that he got in trouble for deliberately placing his crayons in a sunny windowsill. He probably walked to school. I wonder if he walked home or to his babysitter's for lunch.
In grade school we could buy a tray of food or bring lunch. I have a memory of when I had a ham sandwich and a Jewish friend asked to trade his sandwich for mine because he'd never tasted ham. Another friend was saying not to give it to him because his parents didn't want him to eat ham. I didn't know nuthin about religion or anything so I didn't see the harm. I traded with him. :sorry:

After school my mom asked me how I liked my lunch. I told her I'd traded her sandwich with my friend. My folks knew he was Jewish so mom said "Ooh, you shouldn't do that. Don't do it again". But my dad was laughing out loud - "You gave your ham sandwich to the Goldstein kid?!" ROFL

One year In junior high they introduced the option to buy bag lunches of cheeseburgers, fries and milkshake. I recall there was some controversy about it with some of the parents, but for me it was YEAH!

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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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Jesus' death was the sacrifice that took away the sin of the world believers and unbelievers.
It paid God's blood demand for Adams sin and humanity's and their sin who followed Adam.

But it is only belief in Jesus for Eternal Life, that gives God's free gift of Eternal Life to the person.

Jesus's resurrection defeated death, so if a person wants to defeat death they must believe in The only person "Jesus" who has defeated death.
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

Sadly your take on my position misrepresents my understanding.

Jesus demonstrated what is means to walk in tune to the heart of the Father and we are to do the same.

Having His very presence within us means it is a personal Word from Him within that is our guide and motivation not the Letter of the Law. The OT Law has passed away The New Covenant is our spiritual reality.

This new mode of obedience however is given in the context of mutual submission in the Body of Christ.
But only to those who refuse to live by every word of God, or those who refuse to press toward the Perfection Jesus and His Father commands, which was in Jesus.

The reason why I reply to these kinds of post, is because the seductive religious doctrine you promote is contrary to Gods own definition of His own New Covenant which promises God law written on the hearts of men who believe Him. As if God is incapable of defining His own Covenant, so He needs the Catholic or her Protestant daughters to define His covenant for the masses.

As is always the case, anyone who questions the popular religious philosophy, like Stephen or John or even a nobody like me, with actual scripture are not taken seriously.

Truly there is nothing new under the sun.

With the hart of man, there is always a better way, just like Eve deduced.

You are free to follow a religious system who rejects the Feasts of the Lord, and creates their own high days. Who rejects the Judgments of God concerning what is Holy, Clean, and Righteous, and sets about establishing their own definition of these things.

You can even re-write God's own definition of His Own New covenant and live by your own definition. And maybe it doesn't matter. But the Jesus "of the Bible" never engaged in this behavior, and the scriptures make that crystal clear.

So I will not be adopting the religious philosophy you are promoting, popular as it is.

And I'm not ashamed of doing so.
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The Schumer Shutdown

Its obvious st this point the propeganda put out by the lame stream media and the Democratic Party is winning. There are more Amerucans who blame Republicans for the shut down. What i find interesting is about 20% don't know who to blame. There is around 7% difference between who blames Republicans and who blames Democrats. Then there is still 20% who don't know despite pretty much all of media blaming Republicans.

And this whole SNAP snafu false propeganda. There is so much deception from the media and the Democratic party making people think SNAP can be fully funded with contingency when it can't be. It can't even be funded for a whole month.

I dont expect the Democrats to ever understand its their parties fault, but I do hold out hope that the 20% will eventually figure it out and realize its the Democratic Party holding everyone hostage.
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What is your Motivation to Discuss/Debate Things Online?

So what is your motivation to discuss/debate things online?
There are trolls who are said to try to mess up things, just to entertain themselves.

Yes, there are ones who sneak in, in order to misrepresent and confuse things and to promote some group and its cause.

It can be certain writers are on drugs or are under the influence.

There are ones, maybe, who want practice with their debating skills.

And others might be starting a topic so ones of us will do their homework.

One person thinks he can write to anyone, but say something that God is able to use to help the person.

Plus, we have readers who might never write but who can benefit from what is written to ones who refuse it.

For a while, I had a Skype companion, and we did not agree on something > it was something like this > she made her case, that God can use online activities, and I made mine, I think, how you need to share in person; then I decided she had a point how God is not limited . . . right when she decided I was right! :)
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Morality without Absolute Morality

It is close to the topic in the OP than your stream of assertions about the existence of absolute morality.

(I have read the words of the prophets written on the subway walls.)
So how many Boomer music references can we insert into this dismal thread? I need something to Keep Me Hanging On.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

The same with many sites in Egypt and around the world. These are being dates at X time because some of the later works were found in the site and there was nothing on other works as to when they were made. In fact later Pharoahs stamped their name on earlier works.

Thats why I am saying there has to be some independent way to differentiate the stone itself. If they are really made by different methods (hand made or machined) then there should be some differences that can reveal the method used.

But in the meantime I keep coming back to the simple but revealing naked eye observations. As above with the different vases we see the handmade and what at least looks like machined finishes. These are the naked eye differences in the signatures. They will reveal differences down to the micro level.

The same with cuts in stones, logistics, and any mark in the works that can be analysed. One example I came across was the scoop marks. Which is claimed as being caused by pounding with dolorite stones which are harder than the granite.

The issue is like the vases that these traditional methods are also used. Its not as if anyone is saying that both methods are being used. Like today we have varying methods being used and the best come from the best methods.

Scans are being done on these scoop marks and they are finding the exact opposite of random pounding away. Rather uniform patterns of scoops as though the granite was softened and some uniform scooper was going along scooping away the softened surface.
Playing the devil's advocate let's assume your idiotic conspiracy theory is correct where all 18th dynasty granite obelisks were forgeries produced in the Old Kingdom as the technology was lost by the time of the New Kingdom.
Therefore the unfinished obelisk at Aswan had been attempted in the Old Kingdom.

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Since it is an Old Kingdom construction using superior technology dolerite pounders were not needed so why are there hundreds of rounded dolerite stones of different sizes on the site which are clearly not naturally occurring? Furthermore why are depression marks in the obelisk within the range of sizes of these dolerite stones?

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If the Old Kingdom had the technology of softening granite then they would not have had to use dolerite, any stone harder than softened granite would have sufficed.

Going back to predynastic times in Egypt if they had the capability of producing high precision vases on lathes then making smooth sharp flint blades from dolerite, quartz and chert would have been a piece of cake yet the evidence paints a very different picture.

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If you are going to be true to form the information provided is going to be ignored and the issue remains whether this is due to a lack of basic comprehension skills or trolling resulting in propagation of misinformation and disinformation.
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Multi's Thoughts and More

Kirby and the Rod of Darkness was different from my typical writing in that it's more humorous and less realistic overall. While Mystery of the Mirror Rift is more like my typical writing, I noticed there are still a few different things about it:

-It's my first story where one of the main protagonists is a robot. I had a few stories before where the main villain or the villain's sidekick was a robot, but that's a bit different.
-Most of the major characters are female. Not that that never happens, but it's not super common. The last time it happened was about ten years ago, I think.
-If I remember correctly, it's my first story with a female villain. I do remember making at least one before, but she never actually appeared in a story.
I just remembered another female villain I made in the past who never appeared in a story. So I've made two of them before, but both were basically drawn a few times and then forgotten. I also don't know if Mirrobo would actually be considered a main protagonist or if it would be considered the protagonist's sidekick. I've noticed it doesn't seem to be as involved in the story as Susie is, but I guess that's understandable.

I suppose this year, I'll probably use the same Christmas avatar I used the past two years. I mean, I could make a new one but Mystery of the Mirror Rift doesn't have holiday chapters, and decorating Mirrobo for Christmas might be kind of weird! :laughing: Although if I do decide to make some animations like I mentioned in my previous post, I might make at least one Christmas one!
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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

They do if they are symbolizing an urgent message.
Written on what?
Zechariah tells us: a round tube shaped object that can fly.
Why did the angel push the wickedness back into the basket?
Because it symbolises nuclear radiation. Proved by the lead cover.
the fact that you can't read Scripture?
I read and understand the Prophesies to be meaningful and illuminating, not worthless and only adding to the confusion.
And if he doesn't, no doubt you'll have another explanation for that?
It could be next year.
All in Gods good timing.
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What are you listening to?

Sometimes AI gives me just a glimmer of what it can be, and the future doesn't look quite so dark.

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It's a very nice song, but as for the video, if you're a guitar player and you watch his hands and fingers, it's laughable. :)
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