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rjs330 · Oct 2, 2025

Pommer said:
They never were.

Yes they are and have been doing so for about 4 months as now.

Pommer said:
People have been successfully and legally protesting for decades.

Yes, its too bad theae guys aren-t doing that.

Pommer said:
And when the “protestees” want, they’ll push back against this legal-protesting

The protestors are doing illegal things like attacking the agents.

Aaron112 · Oct 2, 2025

walter45 said:
Sorry if I said something I should not have said, Let me know when I do that again please, thank you.

'Everyone' is groping along, or doing something worse in pride, or doing something else..... pretending?

None-the-less, YHVH Willing, your request will be answered by private msg if possible.....

Yarddog · Oct 2, 2025

BPPLEE said:
Improper Entry (8 U.S.C. § 1325):
This is a criminal offense for those who enter the U.S. without proper inspection or at an unauthorized location.

A first offense can result in a fine or imprisonment for up to six months.

Subsequent offenses can lead to more significant fines or imprisonment for up to two years.

Illegal Reentry (8 U.S.C. § 1326):
This is a felony charge for anyone who reenters the United States after having been deported or removed.

Penalties can include federal prison sentences, with potential time up to 20 years for repeat offenders.

Overstaying a Visa is a civil offense. So are you saying undocumented immigrants are only people who overstayed their visas?
Are you saying that these are the people who Democrats want to give healthcare ?

The question asked in post #9 was about undocumented immigrants and not illegal immigrants which Democrats haven't said that they want illegal immigrants to receive what Republicans have said. They are lying.

Richard T · Oct 2, 2025

catzrfluffy said:
I’ve got a date tomorrow with the guy I like, please pray that it goes well and we really hit it off, in Jesus Christ’s name, Amen. Thank you.

Father, we pray your will be done for this woman on her date. That you would protect her and keep in all ways. That you would find a amazing spouse for her with the right person where they both can learn and grow in God. That her dating always would glorify you and be pleasant. God bless!

stevevw · Oct 2, 2025

I think part of the problem is the idea of 'absolute' moral truth or fact. I thought absolute morality is more like Kants Deontology where wrong is wrong no matter what. You can never lie because its absolutely wrong.

Whereas 'Objective' morality or moral truths are context driven. That in every moral context there will be a moral truth that we can reason and come to that is the right way to behave compared to other ways of behaving.

I think because there is context in morality that this is interpreted as 'there is no moral truths' at all. Which is sort of illogical in that reasoning allows us to find some better ways of behaving, some more obvious than others. Which implies its not just a subjective or relative determination purely based on preferences or unreasoned beliefs.

In that sense sometimes lying is ok within the context. Such as lying to the Germans to protect the Jews hiding in your attic. In fact hiding the Jews in the firstplace makes the lying besides the point because you have already committed to doing the right thing by instinct or intuition in hiding the Jews.

But the greater moral of saving human life because by nature we know in that we are human and that life is worth protecting. So this is the greater moral truth in that context and its not a matter of subjective and arbitrary thinking as much as people make out.

Theres no need for scientific tests to prove our human inclinations that 'we know that we know' that human life is worth something. All the rest is arguing about our understanding of the context in which this moral truth and other moral truths are applied.

The idea that there's all these different cultures with different sets of moral truths is a false narrative. When we actually take a closer look there are universal moral truths we all share. They are just understood differently in their context.

We can use the same reasoning to determine which cultures don't confirm to these natural and God given truth we know and experience as humans.

The idea that everything that is real and fact in this world can only be determined by empiricle facts is itself part of the false narrative that morality has no real or truthful or real phenomena and determinations .

The bible says God put His laws on our hearts and conscience. It makes sense that we know what is right and wrong by nature and are born with this just as much as we are born with a rational mind and the instinct to mate lol.

essentialsaltes · Oct 2, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Can we bring back public flogging?

For what? He enjoys submissive black men and Nazi fetishes. Nothing illegal about that.

rjs330 · Oct 2, 2025

Pommer said:
Oh, I see, the American Military, after training for a century of going to other people’s countries and policing-the-world, “helping to run things”, is ripe and they’re finally ready to “police” the people of their homeland!

Charming.

When protecting the federal buildings and agents, yes.

rjs330 · Oct 2, 2025

Pommer said:
We can’t trust what the chief of police has to say…because there’s a “higher authority” who assures us that it’s so bad we have to send in troops!

Okay, ready to ditch State’s Rights all in one go, once-and-for-all?

Its not a matter of states rights. When the police failed to do their jobs to protect the federal.agents and buildings the rhe NG can be used to do so.

Pommer · Oct 2, 2025

rjs330 said:
Buuuut, they are not allowed to block the streets and entrances to the buildings or attempt to prevent the exits and entrances of the vehicles. They arw not allowed to shoot fireworks at agents or the building. They aren't allowed to threaten people buddy. They aren't allowed to hit people.with their poles buddy.

They never were.
People have been successfully and legally protesting for decades.

And when the “protestees” want, they’ll push back against this legal-protesting as if it were a giant afford to public safety…by “sending in the troops!”

And here we are!

tdidymas · Oct 2, 2025

Clare73 said:
"Convincing" is not the criteria for God's truth in Ro 5:14, 17, 18-19, where
all those of Adam are condemned by the sin of Adam imputed to them (Ro 5:14, 17), just as
all those of Christ are redeemed by the righteousness of Christ imputed to them (Ro 5:18-19).

If you're not trying to convince me, then why the hubbub?

Clare73 said:
Study Ro 5:14, 17 (which imputed sin, v.17, is the pattern, v.14, for the imputed righteousness of the one to come; i.e., Jesus of Nazareth).

The righteousness of Christ is imputed to the believer. The sin of Adam is not imputed to mankind. It's not symmetrical. The sin imputed to people are the actual sins they commit, which they are culpable for. So this makes infants, having initially a dormant sin nature, innocent until they commit sin. There are plenty of scriptures that back this up.

Clare73 said:
It is our nature (with which we are born) that makes us "objects of God's wrath" (Eph 2:3); i.e., "by nature, objects of wrath."
All the sons of Adam are sons of disobedience through their inherited fallen sinful nature.

People are sons of disobedience when they practice it. Eph. 2 is talking about people "walking according to the course of the world" who are already sinners. It doesn't include infants which are innocent, since they have not yet sinned.

Clare73 said:
Why would an infant rattlesnake in my backyard where my children play, which snake doesn't even have rattlers yet, be killed by me?

It's not God's job to convince you, it's your job to believe God in his word written.
And that belief/faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit (Php 1:29, 2 Pe 1:1, Ac 13:48, 18:27, Ro 12:3).

I believe God's word, not your assertions. Your assertions are not God's word. Your rattlesnake analogy is a straw man. Infants don't bite and poison people because it's not in their nature as an infant. Since the sin nature is still dormant in them until they start sinning, they remain innocent. So your dogma about imputed sin just doesn't cut the mustard.

essentialsaltes · Oct 2, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
If the poster was someone who didn't continue to throw stones at Christians for every little thing they do wrong, I wouldn't have reacted the way I did. But they send post after post after post of story that smack Christians in the face.

These documented news stories may upset you, but as someone more prestigious than I once noted, "That they are what they are, do not blame me!"

I mean, as a stone-thrower, I'm not personally in a position to deny anyone emergency medical care, but feel free to share the stories of secular hospitals doing the same based on their ethical guidelines.

Pommer · Oct 2, 2025

rjs330 said:
What you think they are rolling in rhe tanks and jet planes? Maybe some B2s. They arw sending in some troops to protect the officers. Good grief. If my house was on fire and the fire department refused to show up I would be happy in the NG came with their own fire truck to help out.

You wouldn‘t think it odd that the National Guard was in your neighborhood, (in the first place)?, (I mean yes, thank goodness they saved your home…but where do they bivouac?)

essentialsaltes · Oct 2, 2025

seeking.IAM said:
I don't understand why anyone can accept this. Maybe just because it is happening to someone else, not them (yet)? I've got to think MAGA would go berserk if it was them being drug out of bed and cuffed in the middle of the night. Wouldn't they?

Let's ask the MAGA supporters who have posted in this thread. Um... they seem to be absent. I can only assume they are out exercising their right to protest against a tyrannical government.

rjs330 · Oct 2, 2025

JosephZ said:
And others.

Overall, we rate The Religion of Peace as Questionable for having an extreme right-wing bias, promotion of conspiracy/propaganda, lack of transparency, and anti-Islam tendencies.

Reasoning: Propaganda, Conspiracy, Lack of Transparency, Anti-Islam
Bias Rating: EXTREME RIGHT
Factual Reporting: LOW
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

The Religion of Peace - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

When I asked AI if religionofpeace.com is a credible source, I got the following answer:

AI Overview

The website TheReligionofPeace.com lacks credibility due to its strong anti-Islamic bias, use of polemic and propaganda, and presentation of cherry-picked and misrepresented information. It is widely criticized by Muslim groups, academic sources, and religious dialogue websites for its dishonesty and inaccuracies.

Anti-Islamic bias and agenda

The website is recognized as a counter-Islam and anti-Islamic propaganda site. Its name itself is a sarcastic and polemical take on the phrase often used to describe Islam.

The site acts as a clearinghouse for arguments that depict Islam as inherently violent, with the express purpose of belittling and dismissing the faith.

I've already shown you how the site was incorrect in its explanation of taqiyya and lying in Islam. Its annual "List of Killing in the Name of Islam" also contains false or misleading information. Many entries on the list either can't be verified, aren't related to religion, or never happened at all. Since I'm very familiar with events in the southern Philippines, I will show some examples of this from that country.

The religionofpeace site claims: "These are not incidents of ordinary crime involving perpetrators who happen to be Muslim. This is deadly violence that is reasonably determined to have been committed out of religious duty or sanction - as interpreted by the terrorist. Islam needs to be a factor, but not necessarily the only one."

2025.06.15 Philippines Zamboanga del Sur 2 killed Muslim terrorists are suspected in the shooting deaths of two Christians, a mother and daughter.

Local reporting doesn't identify the suspects.

2 die, 1 hurt in Zamboanga del Sur gun attack

A mother and her daughter were shot to death while on their way to church on Sunday in Barangay Kagawasan, Dimataling town, Zamboanga del Sur province.

The still unidentified gunmen fled toward the Tabina road, Arañas said.

2024.11.14 Philippines Mindanao 1 killed A female water employee is murdered by Bangsamoro Islamists.

Local reporting says the suspect is a hired killer. There's no mention of religion being a factor.

Female engineer in BARMM public works ministry shot dead

A suspected hired killer shot dead a female engineer in the Bangsamoro public works ministry while in a roadside eatery along a highway in Barangay Tamontaka in Datu Odin Sinsuat, Maguindanao del Norte on Thursday, November 14.

Engineer Darlene Pacete was with companions inside the establishment when a man approached, pulled out a pistol from his bag, shot her repeatedly and ran away.

024.05.26 Philippines Tantangan 4 killed Muslim terrorists are suspected of machine-gunning four farmers drinking alcohol.

Local reporting says suspects are unknown.

4 farmers killed in South Cotabato gun attack

Four farmers who were drinking in Barangay Dumadalig in Tantangan, South Cotabato were killed, while another was wounded in an attack by men armed with M16 assault rifles at almost Sunday midnight.

The gunmen hurriedly escaped, according to witnesses.

2023.11.23 Philippines Barangay Kudarangan 2 killed Moro Islamists assassinate a secular politician and guard.

Local reporting says this was related to a long-standing feud.

Village councilman, pal slain in North Cotabato gun attack

A village councilman and a watchman were killed when they were attacked in what police believed was triggered by a long-standing clan war in the town of Midsayap in North Cotabato at 1 a.m. Thursday.

Calinga said the families of Singh, a member of the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF), and that of a certain Sukarno Madidis, also an MNLF member, have been locked in a long-standing “rido” (family feud).

2023.10.10 Philippines Maguindanao 1 killed 1 injured Bangsamoro Islamists are suspected in the assassination of a foreign national.

The killer is unknown.

Saudi embassy in Manila is working to repatriate deceased citizen’s body

The embassy received with great sadness and sorrow the news of the killing of a Saudi citizen and the injury of his wife, at the hands of an unknown person who opened fire on them while the citizen was driving his vehicle along with his wife on a public road in Shariff Aguak in the southern Maguindanao del Sur province.

2022.03.17 Philippines Sitio Tenorio 1 killed A man is shot off his motorcycle by Moro Islamists.
2022.03.16 Philippines Datu Odin Sinsuat 2 killed Two civilians are gunned down by suspected Moro Islamists.

Another feud.

Maguindanao gun attacks claim 4 lives, hurt 3 others

Four persons were killed while three others were wounded in separate gun attacks in Maguindanao in what police believed were due to “rido” or family feud, a police official said Thursday.

Capt. Fayed Canda, the Maguindanao police spokesperson, said most of the shooting incidents--five in Datu Odin Sinsuat town and one in Datu Saudi Ampatuan municipality--were motivated by clan war.

“The latest victim was a 51-year-old man who was attacked in Sitio Tenorio, Barangay Awang, Datu Odin Sinsuat, Maguindanao at 9 a.m. Thursday,” Canda said.

2021.01.27 Philippines Tulunan 2 killed 6 injured Islamists plant a bomb at a bus station, killing two patrons

A local report says 1 person was killed and 3 injured. Religionofpeace doubled the numbers. Also, extortion, not religion, was the motive behind the bombing.

Extortion group behind Tulunan bombing: SITG

The police’s Special Investigation Task Group (SITG) Sibsib has identified the Al Khobar extortion group as responsible for the Jan. 27 bombing incident here that killed one and injured three others.

Napat said “extortion” on the bus company was the primary motive in the bombing that killed fruit vendor Gina Paunon, 53.

All of the following are false claims made by ISIS, but religionofpeace included these events in their list anyway.

2023.09.19 Philippines Lanao del Norte 4 killed Four Christian farmers are brutally shot in the head by apparent ISIS.

Never happened.

2023.07.13 Philippines Maguindanao 3 killed 3 injured Several locals lose their lives to armed Islamic extremists.

Never happened.

2023.02.10 Philippines Maguing 4 killed 3 injured Four people are killed in an ambush by elements of the Moro Islamic Front.

Never happened.

2022.05.25 Philippines Bindatin 6 killed 10 injured Islamic extremists ambush a security patrol, killing six members.

Never happened.

2022.05.25 Philippines Maguindanao 6 killed 10 injured The ISEAP group claims the killing of six soldiers in a recent ambush.

Never happened.

2021.08.21 Philippines Lindongan 3 killed 3 injured Mujahideen claim the killing of three local soldiers.

Never happened.

If religionofpeace has this many errors in its reporting from just one country over a short period of time, just imagine how many there are in total on that site. Like I said, it's garbage.

Despite anything it may claim, that site was created to intentionally mislead people and to create a fear of Muslims and Islam.

Religionofpeace even uses an extremist interpretation of the Qur'an throughout it's site and even recommends people use this translation over others.

"We recommend the Noble Quran, a recent translation by Islamic scholars, but one that is generally faithful to the Arabic."

Below are a few articles where the Noble Qur'an is discussed:

QUR’AN: Playing into the Hands of the Extremists? (Hilali-Khan Qur’an Translation)

Muslim Extremism Found in Problematic Quran Translation

Hilali-Khan Qur’an Translation

Funny how anything that shows how violent Isamists are and show how the Quran supports it is suddenly right wing biased.

Pommer · Oct 2, 2025

rjs330 said:
I dont care what rhe chief says. His is rhe same department that refuses to do anything about it requiring troops to be sent. If his police force would do their jobs we wouldn't need the NG.

We can’t trust what the chief of police has to say…because there’s a “higher authority” who assures us that it’s so bad we have to send in troops!

Okay, ready to ditch State’s Rights all in one go, once-and-for-all?

rjs330 said:
Thats the conclusion for what you said. Why would you say they want violence then when the troops show up? You don't think there will be any?

His words aren’t taffy.

BPPLEE · Oct 2, 2025

wing2000 said:
...Cartels will adjust their opertaions as they always do.

Then we have to adjust as well

lucypevensie · Oct 2, 2025

Future plans include college education.

essentialsaltes · Oct 2, 2025

Servus said:
Us will just say "so what?" and support it as usual.

Deflection noted. Posters in this thread have offered actual information about the show. Why can't you? Or do you know less than the people that you assert don't know what's going on?

walter45 · Oct 2, 2025

Aaron112 said:
This is a post that will soon be invisible, fwiw. 99% of forums, posts, webpages, etc, may be what someone learned growing up.
There is a lot of evidence, maybe possible to call a lot of proof, that what people learn growing up is almost all wrong. Thus the internet is not a reliable source of truth nor wisdom nor God's Kingdom - without even mentioning that forums and websites are practically all put up by and for money.

Sorry if I said something I should not have said, Let me know when I do that again please, thank you.

lucypevensie · Oct 2, 2025

Ancient rune

Richard T · Oct 2, 2025

chevyontheriver said:
Not enough data points. Only Texas and California. They should do all 50 states. Would they get a straight line? I kinda doubt it.

Yes, I saw that too. They used some national data too. Mostly the dependent variable was looking at home affordibility to younger people not just affordability in general. In the lower 48, Alabama is the lowest property tax state. Home prices there are very low as well. Hawaii is the lowest in all 50 states. What do hawaii and Alabama have in common? Nothing much, the reason both have low property taxes is that Hawaii home prices are so high that the low rate of a million dollar home is in total dollar terms enough revenue. Alabama is a poor state, so they make do with less, plus get more Federal government subsidies.

tdidymas · Oct 2, 2025

DialecticSkeptic said:
By being redeemed.

"It sounds like" and "I don't get it" are not logical criticisms but rather autobiographical statements, telling us something about you. The only thing I can really say is, "I'm sorry to hear that."

Again, mankind is corporately guilty by imputation because Adam was our federal head in covenant relationship to God—and infants are a part of mankind, as are children, teenagers, young adults, the elderly, etc. And then, on top of being sinners, we are held personally guilty for our sins (transgressions), whether by commission (doing what we ought not) or omission (failing to do what we ought).

A popular way of expressing this view: "We are not sinners because we sin; we sin because we are sinners."

And Adam is why we are sinners.

That is not the difference. "Corporately" means all mankind in Adam, condemned by imputation (original sin); "individually" means each man in himself, condemned by transgressions (actual sins).

We sin (personal guilt) because we are sinners (corporate guilt).

(Notable consideration: The idea that "we are sinners because we sin" is the Pelagian heresy.)

I never denied a connection between sin and our bodies. Our sinful corruption is a product of our sinful condition—and, again, Adam is why we are sinners.

Perhaps you don't see it because nobody proposed it.

I don't think your view can be maintained in the larger context of this epistle. Paul did not consider himself spiritually alive until the law; rather, he wasn't aware of his spiritual death until the law—for it exposes and condemns what is already there (Rom. 5:13-14). This fits with the broader argument that the law functions to bring knowledge of sin (3:20; 7:7).

That is a separate question. If we assume federal headship in covenant theology for the sake of argument, mankind's corporate guilt and condemnation logically follows (and infants are a part of mankind). I would remind you that the opening post questioned whether infants are included in this corporate guilt and condemnation.

It sounds like you now want to challenge that premise: "What if we don't assume that for the sake of argument? Does scripture actually teach this doctrine?" That is a great question but it's a separate one from the question being asked in this thread.

(The short answer is, "Yes, it does.")

Those regard personal sin, not corporate sin (i.e., category error). I will concede that infants have not committed any personal sins.

That is what Reformed theology teaches. However, it is not only corruption but also condemnation that we inherit from Adam—just as in Christ we receive not only a new nature but also justification. "Condemnation for all people came through one transgression," Paul said (Rom. 5:16-18).

I was trying to explain my thoughts on how your argument was not convincing having to do with corporate guilt. I still don't see scripture teaching that. It appears to me that your interpretation of those verses are assuming a corporate guilt idea, rather than extracting the doctrine from the scripture. So, I'm just saying I'm not convinced.

But if you admit that infants haven't sinned, then you're essentially admitting they are innocent, because that's the definition of innocence - not sinned and having no knowledge of sin. Again, "corporate guilt" idea seems detached, sounds like something propping up the imputed sin idea. While reading through your interpretation I was thinking that it sounds like those verses you claim are teaching corporate guilt can easily be interpreted as having a sinful nature, which is a completely different issue in my mind.

wing2000 · Oct 2, 2025

BPPLEE said:
Blowing up the shipments on the way to the US may prove to be more effective

...Cartels will adjust their opertaions as they always do.

lucypevensie · Oct 2, 2025

Erudite and sensible, Tina elucidated.

RUDIT

Aaron112 · Oct 2, 2025

walter45 said:
That's what I leaned in church when I was a boy, I thought a lot of people believed that way?

This is a post that will soon be invisible, fwiw. 99% of forums, posts, webpages, etc, may be what someone learned growing up.
There is a lot of evidence, maybe possible to call a lot of proof, that what people learn growing up is almost all wrong. Thus the internet is not a reliable source of truth nor wisdom nor God's Kingdom - without even mentioning that forums and websites are practically all put up by and for money.

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