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What do you say to anti-theists on the formation of the universe?

Read the thread. I have already explained it. If you are making the truth claim, "there is no god," it is a faith based claim. Because the reality is that you do not know there is no god, you just have faith that their is not
You have explained nothing. You have made an unevidenced assertion. You are venting empty opinions and blithely ignoring, with an astounding level of arrogance, delusion and self deception, the repeated observations by individuals who have a far superior understanding of their owh character and motivation than your biased, rigid mindset could ever provide. Fortunately, I've found the off switch.
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"Nobody knew Putin was killing so many people"

"Casting pearls in the mud" remains a concern in the sense that believers are encouraged to be wise and discerning about when and with whom they share valuable spiritual insights, avoiding futile efforts with those who reject them.
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Eucharist Elements

Is Christ present there in a way that he is not present in your family meal together?
I think God is always present with us. What makes His presence more meaningful in a rite like this is the lessons we draw from it. In partaking of the bread and the wine we show that we partake of Christ himself.

It is a *real* participation of Christ. But that participation takes place every day, whether we are taking the Eucharist or not. The Eucharist makes this reality something we can do to make our participation in Christ vivid and immediate in the sacrament.

But it is not the meal that precipitates this participation, this ingestion of Christ. It is an act of showing that this is what we do every day. In living by the word of God each day, whether in the Eucharist or not, we participate in Christ and experience his presence.
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What do you say to anti-theists on the formation of the universe?

It means atheist find comfort believing that there is no accountability for their actions in the afterlife and unafraid of sinning against some invisible deity.
I can't be unafraid of offending something I know doesn't exist.
They want to live their lives how they wish and control their own destiny as if they were their own personal God of their own little universe.
Well, that's true to an extent. But we all consider, or should consider others when we try to do that.
Moral relativism is their standard for morality.
That makes no sense. Moral relativism isn't a standard. It means that what I think is is right or wrong will be different to what you think. The standards to which we all hold will vary from person to person.
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What do you say to anti-theists on the formation of the universe?

Yes. Remember my basement dragon? You demanded physical evidence, and I provided physical evidence. But that evidence wasn't enough.
Obviously not.
For the theist, the evidence is everywhere and have come to a reasonable conclusion that God exists. But because they cannot know with absolute certainty, faith is required.
Ifyou want to incorporate faith to make up for the uncertainty, then that's fine.
But it is a reasonable faith grounded on evidence.
No, the faith is not based on evidence. If there's not enough evidence then it's not true. If you need faith to believe, if you need faith to get you over the line in addition to evidence then you must want to believe. That makes no sense to me whatsoever.
The atheist rejects the evidence and claim no evidence exists because evidence is subjective.
That's a contradiction. I can't examine some evidence, reject it and then claim it doesn't exist. Think about what you are writing.
But they have their own evidence and have reasonably concluded that there is no God.
I have no evidence for God's non existence. Again, that makes no sense at all. What I have is the evidence that people like yourself present for His existence.
But because they cannot know with absolute certainty, faith is required.
As I have said, nothing is certain. All I can do, again as I have said, is state a position based on the evidence presented and I will hold to that position with a great deal of certainty until evidence is presented that will change that certainty. That will somehow slow that flywheel, somehow get it to eventually stop and then reverse its direction.
Again I emphasize that I am speaking of atheists who make the truth claim. This does not apply to agnostics.
As psalm 14:1 says, the fool says there is no God. But don't confuse that with absolute certainty. If you ask me if God exists, I will say no. If you ask me if I'm 100% certain, then I'd say that I'm not 100% certain that someone didn't drop some acid in my beer at that party in 1975 and the last 50 years has been a fast forward hallucination.

I have no evidence that it happened, but I don't need faith to be able to reject it. You're using the wrong word in the wrong context.
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Wine

Psalm 104:13-15

He watereth the hills from his chambers:
The earth is satisfied with the fruit of thy works.

He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle,
And herb for the service of man:

That he may bring forth food out of the earth;
And wine that maketh glad the heart of man,

And oil to make his face to shine, and bread
which strengtheneth man's heart.
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Proverbs 21:17 (KJV)
He that loveth pleasure shall be a poor man:
He that loveth wine and oil shall not be rich.

Habakkuk 2:15 (KJV)
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him ,
and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
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End times time frames by chapter and fit

This fate happens to just about every dead soldier, since time immemorial. It does not make a parallel of the G/M and Armageddon battles.
keras, I am not saying that the Gog/Magog event is the same as Armageddon.

I am pointing out that at the end of the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9, in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the same feast as in Revelation 19:17-18 at Jesus's return.
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the book of life and who is in it?

I believe people are inscribed into the book as time goes by. When they make a commitment to follow and obey God. The following is taken from my free book "The Way and Free Will" The Way and Free Will , which is a book on Free Will vs Calvinism.

The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. (NKJV, Revelation 17:8)​

It appears at first glance that these scriptures support predestination by saying the names of the damned we not in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world. This would suggest that those in the Book of Life were entered in by God “before” creation, thus supporting Calvinism.

However, the actual meaning of the word apo, Strong’s number G575 (Strong 1890), the word “from” can have the connotation of referring to a period leading out from that place over time. As we see in the following two scriptures which use identical Greek grammar, and phrases to the scripture in the book of Revelation:

That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; (NKJV, Luke 11:50)​

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.(NKJV, Heb 9:26)​

What this shows is that Revelation 17:8 need not mean the names were in the book at the beginning, but rather were entered in from the point of creation on, they were inscribed as time went by, or in the case of the damned (e.g. those who have rejected Christ) were not entered as time passed.
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"Nobody knew Putin was killing so many people"

I take it that casting pearls in the mud is no longer a concern.
"Casting pearls in the mud" remains a concern in the sense that believers are encouraged to be wise and discerning about when and with whom they share valuable spiritual insights, avoiding futile efforts with those who reject them.
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"Nobody knew Putin was killing so many people"

Donald Trump’s reversal on Russia stems from a strategic shift: his administration now seeks to use Russia as a counterweight to China, aiming to split the Sino-Russian partnership and isolate Beijing. This approach marks a break from decades of U.S. policy that prioritized containing Moscow and supporting Ukraine.

Trump’s new stance has included rolling back sanctions, halting offensive cyber operations against Russia, and publicly distancing the U.S. from Ukraine, even suggesting that Kyiv and Moscow should resolve the conflict without American involvement. He has also echoed Kremlin narratives, blamed Ukraine’s leadership for the war, and shown reluctance to use U.S. economic power to pressure Russia, despite bipartisan moves in Congress for harsher sanctions.

Whether he is serious remains uncertain. Trump’s rhetoric and actions have shifted rapidly, often contradicting his earlier promises to end the war “in 24 hours”. So far, there’s little evidence of concrete demands or concessions from Russia in exchange for this policy shift, and his unpredictability—suspending and reinstating aid, shifting negotiation deadlines—has left allies and adversaries wary of his long-term intentions.
I take it that casting pearls in the mud is no longer a concern.
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Trump threatens to cut Calif.’s federal funds if trans athletes ‘illegally’ compete in women’s events

We ain't clutching pearls and it is the progressive liberals who are disobeying federal law
The W-appointed judge in Maine determined that it was the Trump administration that was disobeying the law.

Like with the case of immigration, there could be legal ways for the Trump camp to do some of these things, but for some reason they keep eschewing the law.
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What do you say to anti-theists on the formation of the universe?

Atheists don’t believe in gods. Why would we believe we are gods? That’s silly. Adding an extraneous entity into where it isn’t is not very parsimonious.
It is a phrase not to be taken literally. It means atheist find comfort believing that there is no accountability for their actions in the afterlife and unafraid of sinning against some invisible deity. They want to live their lives how they wish and control their own destiny as if they were their own personal God of their own little universe. Moral relativism is their standard for morality.
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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

Jesus is the way the truth the life John 14:6 Paul's writings came with a possible salvation issue as he is hard to understand that people twist as they do the rest of Scripture 2 Peter 3:15-16. Everything must be in light of what Jesus taught and lived not the other way around. Salvation is through Jesus alone. Paul was a servant of God Titus 1:1, not God a servant to Paul. Jesus has all authority in heaven and earth, not anyone else. Mat 28:18-20
I don't think there is a disconnect between Paul and Jesus. Paul never said "we should not keep the Law", He said:

Rom 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!

Paul just made the point that we have all broken the Law, and because of that fact can not be justified by the Law. Christ's sacrifice was necessary because all people have and will stumble.

Gal 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."

But our goal should be to obey God.
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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

The Ten Commandments, which God Himself declared to be His covenant, were not replaced. You are misunderstanding Paul—just as many have done—by placing his words above the words of Jesus and the prophets. But Paul cannot contradict Jesus. If he did, then you must choose whom you will follow.
I'm not disputing that the Ten Commandments, along with the entire Law, was a "covenant." Hebrews calls it the "Old Covenant."

Heb 8.6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

Paul, of course, does not contradict Jesus, although it appears that way to you? Jesus was speaking in the context of the era he was living under at the time. But even then, he was not under the Law himself, as I explained earlier.

But what Jesus said to Israel at that time still required Israel to live under the Old Covenant of Law. Paul, by contrast, spoke of a time when the dividing wall between Israel under the Law and the pagan nations had been broken down. The Law of Moses was no longer in effect for Israel.

This is not a contradiction--rather, it is an explanation. These are two different times, one under the Law of Moses, which became an outmoded covenant, and the other, under the New Covenant of living by Christ alone. I'm sorry you don't understand this. I hope others do.
You quote a single verse to support your view but ignore the rest of the context in Jeremiah 31. Let’s read the full passage:
Yes, we know the passage already. The quote was a reminder. As I said, in the Old Covenant era, such prophecies will not detail the New Covenant because the Law was still being required. The most it said is that this New Covenant will be "different" than the old one. And it will satisfy what failed the nation under the Old Covenant.

The fact Christ became a means of Eternal Life is what distinguished the New Covenant from the Old Covenant. But he was still a mystery at that time.
You say this is a new system with “new commandments,” but God says He will put His Law—the same Law they broke—into their hearts. The covenant didn’t change; the location of the Law changed. It moved from stone tables to the heart. God never said, “I will replace My Law,” but “I will write it inside of them.” That’s what makes it “new”—it is inward, spiritual, living.
I already addressed this. Jer 31 says the opposite of what you're asserting. I need not address it again. It was definitely to be a "change"--a *new* covenant.
You also seem to ignore Jesus' own words:

Heaven and earth have not passed away. That means the Law still stands—especially the Ten Commandments, which were written by God’s own finger and placed inside the Ark of the Covenant, separate from the other laws Moses wrote in a book. Jesus didn’t teach us to abandon these commandments; He called us to live them in their fullness, in spirit and truth.
The continuity of the universe is not the basis for a continuation of the Law. Jesus indicated that every law within the Law of Moses had to be kept before he "fulfilled it" in himself. And he had to "fulfill it" before the universe could pass away.

It was his fulfillment that ended the need for Israel to keep the Law because indeed when they kept it the apparent lesson is that Israel was not qualified to obtain Eternal Life. Jesus had to fulfill the Law to enable them to inherit the earth. That's when the universe could be changed and inherited forever.

Both Israel's observance of the Law and its fulfillment in Jesus had to be completed before the universe passes away because Jesus was the only means by which the earth could be inherited by Man. God did not want the universe passing away before men were enabled to inherit it!
When Jesus died, the veil in the temple was torn from top to bottom. This veil separated the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place, where God’s presence was. Only the high priest could enter, once a year, with blood for sin. But when Jesus gave His life, the barrier was removed by God Himself. This means that through Jesus, access to the Father is now open—but only for those who believe and obey.
Yes.
Jesus didn’t say, “My new commandments,” or “Moses’ commandments are gone.” He pointed always to His Father's will. And the Father already told us what His covenant is: the Ten Commandments.
Again, Jesus lived under the "old" era, when the Law was still in effect. He certainly wouldn't be advocating for disobedience to the Law while it was still in effect! The Covenant is *not* just the 10 Commandments--it is the entire system or agreement that God made with Israel, including all 613 requirements.
The New Covenant does not cancel the Ten Commandments—it makes them living and personal by writing them into the hearts of those who follow Christ. Those who love God and walk in His Spirit do not ignore His Law—they delight in it, just as Jesus did.
I've said that the New Covenant and the Old Covenant are not distinguished by the New being "of the heart." All of God's covenants and laws are "of the heart." The big difference in the new is that the *record* of failure, contained in the Law, has been ripped up. Now, we live by the heart under a Law without the record of our failure.

The Apostle John makes a clear distinction between old and new commandments, and treats them both as "of the heart," but even moreso as leading only to following Jesus' commandments and likeness--not the Law of ordinances, or Temple Law. This ddidn't mean the New Covenant is "of the heart" and the Old Covenant was not of the heart. John simply said they were both moral and love in God, both leading to Christ alone.
Please don’t be quick to dismiss the foundation of God’s eternal covenant. The same Law that reveals sin is also the one that points us to the Savior. Jesus fulfilled it, not to erase it, but to empower us to live it—through Him.
The Old Covenant, or the Law, is a record of failure. We must see it as "nailed to the Cross." We live by the same principles of love and holiness. But they are now to be distinguished as something lived in Christ alone, and not by a system or record of 613 requirements that were insufficient for Israel to obtain Eternal Life.
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What do you say to anti-theists on the formation of the universe?

And as far as I'm concerned, it's not an intellectual issue. It's a moral one, because the atheist wants to be his own god.
Atheists don’t believe in gods. Why would we believe we are gods? That’s silly. Adding an extraneous entity into where it isn’t is not very parsimonious.
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Normandt' meditations

119. Immense Love





The author continues:

“Before man are life and death, whichever he chooses shall be given him.” Sirach, chapter 15, verse 17



According to the choice of each person, life is proposed to them by God and death remains a personal choice … “whichever he chooses”. It’s not God’s choice. Death is not God’s choice. He does not offer us this choice.



The choice for death is nothing but the rejection of God’s Love, the refusal to let us love God, the refusal to welcome him and share the immense love that everyone expects. The refusal to receive Jesus’ Love leads to evil and finally, to death.



Yet it is much easier to share what we receive. The buffet is not only there for us. Let’s receive the Love of God and share it.



The new American Bible, 2011-2014

Book: … for Love, Normand Thomas
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Eucharist Elements

As Protestants we do not see taking the Communion as essential for Salvation, as if we have failed to internalize Christ when we don't take it regularly. It is just a remembrance for us, which Christ saw as necessary to keep us on track.

We must always remember that we are participating in Christ regularly, and not just intermittentlly--not just when we take the Communion, but always. I don't think Protestants have any lack of respect for the Eucharist even if isn't a religious rite we need to "die for."
Is Christ present there in a way that he is not present in your family meal together?
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