prodromos said:

Where are the words "looking glass" in Scripture? You are treading on dangerous ground adding your own words to Scripture.

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Job 37:18 — King James Version (KJV 1900)​

18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky,
Which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

David Lamb said:

So Job 37:18 is no use fro proving that the bible teaches a solid firmament

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If the Democrats really, truly care about the midterms, then they need to vote to open back up the government now, and not let their hatred/disdain for the Republicans or Donald Trump get in the way of their decision making on this right now currently, because it's going to start backfiring on them now soon politically.

So, if they want to try and maintain or keep the upper hand/advantage politically, keeping in mind the upcoming midterms maybe, then they need to now give into the Republicans right now about the government shutdown politically, because it's at a tipping point now politically, and trying to keep it/this up, will not only hurt a lot of Americans, but won't be to their political advantage anymore now politically.

IOW's, continued posturing right now is only going to hurt them politically. But I very, very much encourage them (the Democrats) to come out with some public statements about this though when they do politically, etc. And why they would have preferred to continue resisting and whatnot politically, and some statements as to why they gave in or felt they had to give in ultimately, and what the consequences will be for the American people for their giving in ultimately, etc.

And that the Republicans are the ones putting this strain on the American people, and are forcing the Democrats to give in ultimately, because it is always the Democrats that seem to care a lot more about the suffering of most American people than the Republicans ever do both classically and generally, and who are always seen as much more "weak" because of this politically, etc. And that you are thinking that if the positions were reversed, that it wouldn't hurt any of the Republicans one bit at all to just continue to dig in their heels about this, even though it would mean a lot more suffering, etc.

Or those would be some of my statements that are "something to that effect" that I think the Democrats should make/state publicly before giving into the Republicans on this maybe, etc.

And we're sick and tired of being seen as "weak" because of this really, and that it's not a weakness to care about human suffering, or to want to ease the suffering and hardships of the American people generally, which was why we wanted to insist on the increased spending, and, again, what the consequences will be both for us and for the rest of the American people for our giving into this ultimately, etc. And that it gives the perception that "the Dems will always cave ultimately", which is not at all what we are trying to project here ultimately.

Or "something to that effect" maybe.

God Bless.

Tigran1245 said:

There are many places in Scripture that clearly state that the gift (grace of priesthood) was imparted through the laying on of hands.

“Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery” (1Tim 4:14)

“For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands” (2Tim 1:6)

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Why mention priesthood? Paul and Timothy were not priests, except in the sense that Peter says all Christians are priests:

“But you [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;” (1Pe 2:9 NKJV)

1 Timothy 4:14 mentions the spiritual gift that was in Timothy, but not mention of him being a priest.

Apple Sky said:

Yes - It does, what else could be strong as a mirror made out of beaten down metal ?

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Scripture doesn't call it a mirror. You are adding to God’s Word.

Valletta said:

It's hardly a shame to clarify legal issues. Trump asked his attorneys to talk with the courts to find out how to legally get SNAP funds out to those in need as quickly as possible. A friend pitched in to pay the military. The Democrat actions can potentially hurt a lot of Americans.

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Why do you guys even still have a congress when you can just tap trump's friends for funding of everything?

David Lamb said:

We don't read anywhere in the bible that hands were laid on Paul to impart the power of apostleship. I repeat, the laying on of hands was part of the church a Antioch obeying the Holy Spirit and setting Paul and Barnabas apart as missionaries.

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There are many places in Scripture that clearly state that the gift (grace of priesthood) was imparted through the laying on of hands.

“Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery” (1Tim 4:14)

“For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands” (2Tim 1:6)

Apple Sky said:

What is a Molton looking glass - it's a mirror made out of beaten down metal.

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Where are the words "looking glass" in Scripture? You are treading on dangerous ground adding your own words to Scripture.

keras said:

I agree.
This truth does not preclude offerings and sacrifices being made for other reasons.

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Why would we need to?

keras said:

Daniel 9:27 & 11:31, Revelation 13:6 all say there are sacrifices being made in the Temple and the 'beast' stops them.

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Revelation 13:6 does not even mention sacrifices.
And none of the verses say that sacrifices, which ended with the destruction of the temple, will restart in 2030/35/40 just so that they can be stopped again.

Philip_B said:

I am not sure if that was yes or no.

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Please note that this is a quote from an Israeli hostage relating to her specific experiences of being held captive. The ones I have named are included.

In the end times, Israel will occupy a special position in the world. Zechariah 12 predicts that with the coming of the Messiah, all nations will gather together to wage war against Jerusalem and G-d's people. This may have been difficult to comprehend in the past, but today we can see that the world may be moving in this direction.

Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your G-d. Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: Isa 40:1-2a

Christians are called not only to observe what G-d is doing with Israel, but also to actively comfort and support the Jewish people.

Strong in Him said:

Jesus' death was the once and for all time sacrifice for sin.

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I agree.
This truth does not preclude offerings and sacrifices being made for other reasons.

Strong in Him said:

The devil/beast is far more likely to to start animal sacrifices again than to stop them

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Daniel 9:27 & 11:31, Revelation 13:6 all say there are sacrifices being made in the Temple and the 'beast' stops them.
Your contention is a direct refutation of scripture.

Strong in Him said:

Most of those are differences in church practice.

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Nonsense; there are huge differences in beliefs, doctrines and practices.
The wise and learned cannot agree on much. even the Cross is argued about. Matthew 11:25

People who choose to believe in false theories, are deceived and deluded. Thay are made incapable of seeing the truths of Bible Prophecy.

Exodus 12:46 "It must be eaten inside one house; take none of the meat outside the house. Do not break any of the bones.
John 19:36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not one of his bones will be broken,"

If one of the Lamb's bones breaks, the Lamb's bones can not support the entire congregation. If a religious organization seems to have no bones, then it is not attached to the bones of the Lamb, just a lump of dead meat. (My personal comment)

Apple Sky said:

Yes - It does, what else could be strong as a mirror made out of beaten down metal ?

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I will try again. If you look at Job 37:18, you will see it is about the sky. It is not about the firmament. You said earlier in this thread that the sky is not the firmament. So Job 37:18 is no use fro proving that the bible teaches a solid firmament. The verse DOES NO MENTION the firmament.

Studyman said:

Great Study, Great Topic.

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Yes it was! Thank you for your input. As time allows I will look more at what you shared.
Thanks be to God for His grace and mercy!

BobRyan said:

So then there are zero OT specifically predicting the birth, time, life , ministry and death of BobRyan,

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Right, But the BIBLE is OUR BASIC INSTRUCTION BEFORE LEAVING EARTH. The Law, His Word through His Spirit through Christ is part of us, who we are.

BobRyan said:

Since you are posting this under "Sabbath and the Law" do you mean that Ps 40:8 "should be" our own statement as born-again saint having the "Spirit of Christ IN me"?

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I don't mean anything. It is written.

Apple Sky said:

Yes - It does, what else could be strong as a mirror made out of beaten down metal ?

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That's not what you were being asked - and I think you know that.

You have, several times, been asked to show where Scripture teaches that the firmament is solid.
You can't.
The reason why you can't quote a verse showing that the firmament is solid is because there isn't one. The only verse you've been able to quote is one from Job which says that the sky is AS molten glass.
The firmament and the sky and different things. I can even quote the post where you said that, just in case you've forgotten.

I think you know this. But you're focusing on details like the meaning of the word "molten" and sodium whatever it is - because that might divert our attention from the fact that you've contradicted yourself, again.

The fact still remains - no Scripture to say that the firmament is solid.

David Lamb said:

But as I keep on asking you, what has a molten looking glass got to do with the firmament? You now say yet again that Job 37:18 shows the firmament to be solid

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Yes - It does, what else could be strong as a mirror made out of beaten down metal ?

Apple Sky said:

What is a Molton looking glass - it's a mirror made out of beaten down metal.

Job 37:18
This verse gives solidarity to a solid firmament (excuse the pun).

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But as I keep on asking you, what has a molten looking glass got to do with the firmament? You now say yet again that Job 37:18 shows the firmament to be solid. It doesn't mention the firmament. It mentions a molten looking glass, and the sky, but not the firmament. You have agreed that the sky is not the same as the firmament, so I am puzzled as to why you keep quoting a verse about the sky to show that the firmament must be solid. Look again at all the verses which mention the word "firmament" I quoted in Post 402. None of them mentions that the firmament is a dome or solid.

Apple Sky said:

What is a Molton looking glass - it's a mirror made out of beaten down metal.

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You clearly can't answer the question.
Are you realising that you've shot yourself in the foot - again?

David Lamb said:

But where does Scripture say that thew firmament is solid or a dome? The verse you keep quoting, Job 37:18, mentions the sky, not the firmament. Why should I watch a video? Why can you not just quote a verse that teaches that the firmament is a solid dome? I mentioned before that I have looked at every verse in the bible that mentions the word "firmament." Here they are:

Ge 1:6 Then God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Ge 1:7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.
Ge 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
Ge 1:14 Then God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;
Ge 1:15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth ; and it was so.
Ge 1:17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth,
Ge 1:20 Then God said, Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.
Ps 19:1 To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.
Ps 150:1 Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty firmament!
Eze 1:22 The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures [was] like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads.
Eze 1:23 And under the firmament their wings spread out]straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body.
Eze 1:25 A voice came from above the firmament that [was] over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings.
Eze 1:26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne [was] a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it.
Eze 10:1 And I looked, and there in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubim, there appeared something like a sapphire stone, having the appearance of the likeness of a throne.
Da 12:3 Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever

Not one of those verse mentions the firmament being solid. I know you have sometimes quoted Ezekiel 1:22, which mentions awesome crystal, but that is talking of the colour, not the solidity of the firmament.

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What is a Molton looking glass - it's a mirror made out of beaten down metal.

Job 37:18
This verse gives solidarity to a solid firmament (excuse the pun).

Benaiah468 said:

After Oct 7 it is clear, that the enemy wants all Jews dead.

In addition to Hamas, there were other "Palestinian" armed groups that also participated in the attacks on Oct 7. It is interesting to note that some of these groups were founded by "Christians", such as the PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of "Palestine"). Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades is their military wing. The PFLP emerged from the Harakat al-Qawmiyyin al-Arab (Arab Nationalist Movement, ANM), which was founded in 1953 by George Habash, a "Palestinian Christian" from Lydda. In 1948, during the Arab-Israeli War, were armed forces from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq attacked Israel, 19-year-old Habash, a medical student, went to his hometown of Lydda to help his family.

DFLP (Democratic Front for the Liberation of "Palestine") was also founded by Jordanian Orthodox Christian (Nayef Hawatmeh). "National Resistance Brigades" or "Martyr Omar Al-Qassem Forces" is their military wing. Hawatmeh founded the group, originally called the Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of "Palestine", in 1969 after it split from the Popular Front for the Liberation of "Palestine".

The red color headbands are used by PFLP, the black ones are used by both DELP and PIJ, and the green and dark green-brown colors are used by Al-Qassam/Hamas. All of these groups were involved directly in the Oct 7 attack alongside Hamas. This shows that these groups have good connections with Hamas.

Because of the small population of Christians in Israel (1% of Gaza and 2-3% of Judea/Smaria) majority of its members are Muslims. Even a small amount of "Christians" are in these groups now.

Another group, Fatah/PLO (currently the govt of Palestine) is known to have a lot of "Christians" as its members. Till the Second Intifada, this group directly fought against Israel. And its military wing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades (separated in 2007) was indeed present in the Oct 7 attack and still fighting. This explains the "Christian" and Muslim unity against Israel's lawful conquests in all wars lost by the Arabs.

Yasser Arafat stated 1982 during a press conference at the UN that 'Jesus Christ was the first "Palestinian" fedayeen who carried his sword along the path on which the Palestinians today carry their cross.'

Jesus has been seen as a "Palestinian" identity in "Palestinian" liberation theology. This is a political interpretation that connects Jesus with modern "Palestinians" and their struggle. The distortion of history is obvious.

The fact that the Romans did not rename their province ‘Judea’ to ‘Palestine’ until 136, long after Jesus' death, and that the Prophet Muhammad did not found Islam until five hundred years later, is ignored. These propagandists attempt to equate the oppression and persecution of Jesus by the Jews at that time with the fate of the "Palestinians" today. And just as Jesus rose from the dead, so too have the "Palestinians Jesus descendants", risen from the ashes. These and other absurd statements by Palestinian politicians such as Jibril Rajoub or the Mufti of Jerusalem, Sheikh Muhammad Hussein, are documented by film recordings and official bulletins. Apart from the historical absurdity, this robs the Jews of their history and culture and invalidates Christianity

Jesus was the first Palestinian and the first Islamic Martyr in history - PA Minister of Prisoners

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I am not sure if that was yes or no.

Apple Sky said:

I don't have too Scripture says it all, please watch Rob's video.

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But where does Scripture say that thew firmament is solid or a dome? The verse you keep quoting, Job 37:18, mentions the sky, not the firmament. Why should I watch a video? Why can you not just quote a verse that teaches that the firmament is a solid dome? I mentioned before that I have looked at every verse in the bible that mentions the word "firmament." Here they are:

Ge 1:6 Then God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Ge 1:7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.
Ge 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
Ge 1:14 Then God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;
Ge 1:15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth ; and it was so.
Ge 1:17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth,
Ge 1:20 Then God said, Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.
Ps 19:1 To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.
Ps 150:1 Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty firmament!
Eze 1:22 The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures [was] like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads.
Eze 1:23 And under the firmament their wings spread out]straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body.
Eze 1:25 A voice came from above the firmament that [was] over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings.
Eze 1:26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne [was] a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it.
Eze 10:1 And I looked, and there in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubim, there appeared something like a sapphire stone, having the appearance of the likeness of a throne.
Da 12:3 Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever

Not one of those verse mentions the firmament being solid. I know you have sometimes quoted Ezekiel 1:22, which mentions awesome crystal, but that is talking of the colour, not the solidity of the firmament.

Apple Sky said:

I don't have too Scripture says it all,

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If Scripture says it all, you should be able to quote a verse.

You, yourself, have said that the sky and the firmament are different things. So why do you treat them as though they were the same?

Philip_B said:

Do you include Palestinian Christians in your generalisatiuons?

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After Oct 7 it is clear, that the enemy wants all Jews dead.

In addition to Hamas, there were other "Palestinian" armed groups that also participated in the attacks on Oct 7. It is interesting to note that some of these groups were founded by "Christians", such as the PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of "Palestine"). Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades is their military wing. The PFLP emerged from the Harakat al-Qawmiyyin al-Arab (Arab Nationalist Movement, ANM), which was founded in 1953 by George Habash, a "Palestinian Christian" from Lydda. In 1948, during the Arab-Israeli War, were armed forces from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq attacked Israel with the chilling aim, to throw the jews into the sea and wipe the young nation off the map before it could take its first steps, 19-year-old Habash, a medical student, went to his hometown of Lydda to help his family.

DFLP (Democratic Front for the Liberation of "Palestine") was also founded by Jordanian Orthodox Christian (Nayef Hawatmeh). "National Resistance Brigades" or "Martyr Omar Al-Qassem Forces" is their military wing. Hawatmeh founded the group, originally called the Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of "Palestine", in 1969 after it split from the Popular Front for the Liberation of "Palestine".

The red color headbands are used by PFLP, the black ones are used by both DELP and PIJ, and the green and dark green-brown colors are used by Al-Qassam/Hamas. All of these groups were involved directly in the Oct 7 attack alongside Hamas. This shows that these groups have good connections with Hamas.

Because of the small population of Christians in Israel (1% of Gaza and 2-3% of Judea/Smaria) majority of its members are Muslims. Even a small amount of "Christians" are in these groups now.

Another group, Fatah/PLO (currently the "govt of Palestine") is known to have a lot of "Christians" as its members. Till the Second Intifada, this group directly fought against Israel. And its military wing Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades (separated in 2007) was present in the Oct 7 attack and still fighting. This explains the "Christian" and Muslim unity against Israel's lawful conquests in all wars lost by the Arabs.

Yasser Arafat stated 1982 during a press conference at the UN that 'Jesus Christ was the first "Palestinian" fedayeen who carried his sword along the path on which the Palestinians today carry their cross.'

Jesus has been seen as a "Palestinian" identity in "Palestinian" liberation theology. This is a political interpretation that connects Jesus with modern "Palestinians" and their struggle. The distortion of history is obvious.

The fact that the Romans did not rename their province ‘Judea’ to ‘Palestine’ until 136, long after Jesus' death, and that the Prophet Muhammad did not found Islam until five hundred years later, is ignored. These propagandists attempt to equate the oppression and persecution of Jesus by the Jews at that time with the fate of the "Palestinians" today. And just as Jesus rose from the dead, so too have the "Palestinians Jesus descendants", risen from the ashes. These and other absurd statements by Palestinian politicians such as Jibril Rajoub or the Mufti of Jerusalem, Sheikh Muhammad Hussein, are documented by film recordings and official bulletins. Apart from the historical absurdity, this robs the Jews of their history and culture and invalidates Christianity

Jesus was the first Palestinian and the first Islamic Martyr in history - PA Minister of Prisoners