Oompa Loompa said:

Do you dare to question the legitimacy of one of our presidential elections?! Gasp! (Clutching pearls) That is a threat to our democracy. So I am told.

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Someday, perhaps soon, you may be able to tell the difference between "evidence" and "no evidence".

It may be a glorious day.

BPPLEE said:

Yeah the cars just spontaneously combusted

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Witnesses saw ICE set them on fire.

BPPLEE said:

So we just shouldn't enforce immigration laws because we like dishwashers, construction workers and landscapers.
Like when some people decided shoplifting laws shouldn't be enforced, how did that workout?

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You missed the argument:
Trump said he was going to get rid of criminal. Golden Boy there pretty clearly said "If he were going after mobsters and obvious criminals, while still doing what he wanted legally, there wouldn't be complaints"....or certainly not as many.

Just because someone is in your country "without status" doesn't mean they are a danger to you. And yet that is how 100% of these people are getting characterized and too many of them are getting treated.

Michie said:

It’s something for sure! Lol

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yeppers

Lord have mercy!

Belk said:

Uh huh. Not a crime, a civil infraction.

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Apparently, burning cars are also.

ThatRobGuy said:

And as I keep replying to people, what's you're alternative solution for how final removal and absentia removal orders should be executed?

Nobody's answered, they just keep circling back to the "it's the way they're being enforced" talking points.

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Explain to me why it would be my responsibility to find an alternate solution. My critique of how it is done does not become weaker when I can't provide an alternative but you seem hellbent on making that connection.


Biden's government AND Obama's govt. BOTH had ICE do their work without this reaction. Trump SEVERELY under funded internal enforcement during his first term; Even the CATO institute got on him for that.

Trump for weeks has been tooting the "tough on immigration" rhetoric. Weeks...well really months at LEAST. Look at the lather he has posters on here worked up. Do you expect people when confronted with that kinda rhetoric to just roll over?

When your threats and intimidation provoke a reaction, why aren't the threats and intimidation a problem?

ThatRobGuy said:

I have a hunch that any method of enforcement would be drawing these sorts of social backlash.

The people out there have it printed on their protest signs "End Deportations" "Abolish ICE"

Seems like they don't want any method of deportation or enforcement at all.


Yeah, about that 94% statistic...it came from the ACLED project, which reviewed 7,750 BLM demonstrations.
(there are some methodology criticisms that could be made about that, but for the sake of argument, let's pretend it's 100% accurate and reflective)

6% of 7750 = 465 different protests that ended with violence.

That's still a lot of violence.

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There have been a few studies. All numbers are 93.9-96.1%.

The characterization we ONLY see on Christian Forums is that "the BLM protests were violent" and the "the left is so violent". Demonstrably, those are both false.


I don't really understand why people make arguments like that: that 465 protests being violent is "a lot of violence". In the totality of it, that is NOT a lot of violence. IT just isn't. I'm sorry but it's not. It's pretty specific circumstances where people will argue that "4% of something is a LOT of that thing".

It's more than 0; perhaps it's more than an expected or acceptable amount, but it shouldn't be characterized as "a lot".

ThatRobGuy said:

And contextually, given that most protests don't erupt into these sort of crap shows in general (regardless of the cause), people could say the same about just about any protest group.

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And yet here we are, in this VERY thread, with posters arguing against that with the left. But your post doesn't come to the defence of those on the left.

ThatRobGuy said:

Over 90% of Proud Boys demonstrations were peaceful, over 90% of Tea Party rallies were peaceful, same goes for pro-life rallies, etc etc

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Yeah. It's weird.

Proud Boys demonstrators were frequently acting as provocateurs at BLM rallies but black people weren't being provocative at Proud Boy Rallies. And PB were doing it to discredit BLM as a peaceful legitimate movement.

ThatRobGuy said:

I don't recall anyone taking objection to them getting labelled as domestic extremists based on the hell breaking loose at the other 10%.

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No. That would be the stuff like trying to damage critical electrical infrastructure that gave them that label.

rambot said:

Kamala Harris won the U.S elections: Bombshell report claims voting machines were tampered with before 2024


I'd put it in the "Conspiracy Theory" forum but unfortunately.....


There appears to be some actual evidence that these voting machines were problematic.

What was the problem with the other voting machines in 2020 again? As I recall, there WERE no problems and those lawsuits fell flat and were met with counter suits in the billions when no wrong doing was found.


I would expect Pro V&V to take the EXACT same steps if these allegations are proven.

I mean Trump has been quoted as implying that there was some nefarious stuff around computers.

Ultimately, it's not as if Trump will lose power. He would "get impeached" again but Republicans who are not interested in democracy will have no interest in getting rid of him.


In what ways are these accusations THE SAME as 2020 and in what ways are they DIFFERENT? I feel like some mouth breathers are going to see these two situations as carbon copies of each other. There are certainly similarities, but there are also vERY important differences.


Thoughts?

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Do you dare to question the legitimacy of one of our presidential elections?! Gasp! (Clutching pearls) That is a threat to our democracy. So I am told.

godisagardener said:

My bearded irises finished blooming about a month ago and are now just beautiful green foliage. The Dutch irises finished up a few weeks ago. I cut them back a day or so ago, their foliage is tall and tends to fall over. Crepe myrtles are beginning to bloom, white and watermelon colors so far. Daylilies are in full bloom. The rocket larkspur were on the thin side this year and didn't last long, it's been too wet I think. Only had a few daffodils bloom because they came up way too early and got nipped. My oldest stick cactus bloomed for the first time I know of. Ever! I've had it for about 20 years, maybe more. Haven't planted much new this year, basically a honeysuckle vine and a pink Turk's Cap. It's small but already blooming. Looking forward to the established red Turk's caps to begin bloom

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Awesome!
I planted my petunias and Creeping Jenny today. And remembered to order some lemon grass to repel the mosquitoes!

"In a study published in the American Journal of Entomology in 2019, researchers conducted an experiment in which mosquitoes were given the option to feed on A, B, AB, and O blood types. The mosquitoes chose the Group O feeder more than any other."

GoldenBoy89 said:

I think you, I or any other member on this board would make a much better president.

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99% agree, actually.

Karajini said:

Idk...I don't think Vance would let Stephen Miller so hatefully program him the same way. At this point anyone else (except another convicted felon), even you or I would make a better president, I think

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I think you, I or any other member on this board would make a much better president.

JimR-OCDS said:

You call it authoritarian, but my guess is that you never lived under a real authoritarian monarchy.

Yes, the US has made mistakes, but so did every nation. However, it's the only nation that was first of its kind. Name another
founded 250 years ago? The world viewed the United States as an experiment and are amazed it lasted so long.
Fact is, people have always tried to get into the US, not leave it.

A government, by the people and for the people. Yes, we lost some of that as politicians are too eager to give
away our freedoms and tax dollars in order to get reelected. But we're getting it back under this administration as
Trump cannot run for reelection, and he was never a politician before the 2016 election. He also refused to
be paid and even pays for some of his own security, especially after Iran tried to kill him.

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We all live under authoritarian rule, even if some treat dissents and citizens better than others. And EVERY American before 1860 would agree.

Everynastion is the first of its kind, none are absolutely like another. And "America" did not exists before 1860, the United States did and it was in opposition to what came later. Before that we were the confederate states of America under the articles of confederation, and before that British colonies. Meanwhile, certain tribal communities stayed under the same governance for thousands of years.

"A government, by the people and for the people" what does this mean? Am I a people? Why do I not have a government by me? You drink the collaid, we are not in control of our government, it manipulates us.

essentialsaltes said:

Trump warns 'any' protesters at military parade will be 'met with heavy force'​

"People that want to protest will be met with big force," he said, noting that he hadn't heard of any plans to protest at the military parade in Washington yet. "But this is people that hate our country. They will be met with heavy force."

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Hate our country=disagree with the Trump agenda. That slander is the basis of the whole problem.

durangodawood said:

4 years plus VP experience could have made a lot of difference. And if she failed - then we'd have a different candidate with time to do a proper campaign, which would be preferable to the last minute debacle Biden forced us into.

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If she could just be unburdened by what has been

Landon Caeli said:

You mean the wall that never got built because pushovers abandoned the project?

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Haven't you been pointing out that illegal immigration is substantially down these last few months? I'd stay clear of any discussions about any wall if I were you. It just emphasises the fact that Trump lied to you

Trump warns 'any' protesters at military parade will be 'met with heavy force'​

"People that want to protest will be met with big force," he said, noting that he hadn't heard of any plans to protest at the military parade in Washington yet. "But this is people that hate our country. They will be met with heavy force."

Last month, Army spokesman Steve Warren told reporters that the service welcomes peaceful protests, noting its motto is "this we'll defend," a reference to the service's commitment to upholding democratic values.

The U.S. Secret Service and Washington officials said Monday they were tracking nine small protests but that they didn't expect any violence.

ozso said:

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When they return after being deported they are charged with a crime.

ozso said:

The civil penalty for being in this country unlawfully is deportation, or removal, which the U.S. Supreme Court has held is not “criminal punishment.”

All that is saying is that deportation itself is not a criminal punishment. And I and probably most others who share my views agree.

Nonetheless U.S. Code § 1325 and the US Department of Justice says unlawfully entering the US is a crime. Entering the US illegally is a federal crime. Those who do so have committed a crime and are criminals for having done so. However, instead of being punished for that crime, they are given a free ride back home.

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You did not quote this part.

Being an undocumented (or “illegal”) immigrant has been, until now, only a civil, not a criminal violation. Under federal immigration law, unlawful presence in this country is a civil offense.

So in certain cases entering the country might be a crime but that does not automatically make everyone who is not documented a criminal as was claimed.

Vambram said:

I truly doubt that anyone could dissuade you from your point of view on this topic.

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I'm sure you feel that way but you'd be mistaken.

In regards to these riots I may be closer to you than you think.

But when don't put up convincing arguments for your point, what am I supposed to say? "Well gorsh! You're right. Youre complete lack of convincing arguments has changed my mind."

There are CERTAINLY topics I CANNOT be dissuaded from. But this one, yes I could.

John G. said:

Sorry but Vambram is right.
In the mid-1960s we had Watts and Detroit riots put down by force.
In 1968 we had MI governor Romney pretty much give a shoot-to-kill order in the riots that followed MLK's death.

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oh wow.
Two examples.

Consider me whelmed.

BPPLEE said:

Kamala did campaign in a primary prior to being selected for VP and it didn't work out real well for her

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4 years plus VP experience could have made a lot of difference. And if she failed - then we'd have a different candidate with time to do a proper campaign, which would be preferable to the last minute debacle Biden forced us into.