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Oompa Loompa · Oct 29, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Is a government shutdown worth it to prevent that?

Yes

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 29, 2025

David Hine7 said:
I must admit I find you guys on here very amusing. Rather like Professor Einstein trying to wise up Tesco shelf fillers with deeper maths than needed for counting out tins of beans.

Maybe you'd get a better and more stimulating result if you actually put your maths out in to the wider scientific community, rather than a random Christian forum.

Just saying.

probinson · Oct 29, 2025

Tropical Wilds said:
You acknowledge you're not biased against Trump,

I did? Where? I told you that Trump was the catalyst for me changing my voter registration from Republican to Independent. I told you that I was not a fan of him. I'll add to that I've never voted for him and I don't understand his appeal to conservatives. How you got that I'm not biased against Trump from any of that is beyond me.

Tropical Wilds said:
therefore you look at the statistics that show he's not cracked 45% approval and interpret that not as him being unpopular, but his approval being steady, and there is merit that speaks to popularity in said stability.

The main problem with this discussion is that you are making all kinds of assumptions about me that are untrue. You've concocted an image of me and my motivations to participate in this thread that are completely wrong. Because of those assumptions, you've ascribed things to me that I've never said or thought.

As long as you do that, we're both wasting our time.

David Hine7 · Oct 29, 2025

I must admit I find you guys on here very amusing. Rather like Professor Einstein trying to wise up Tesco shelf fillers with deeper maths than needed for counting out tins of beans.

Always in His Presence · Oct 29, 2025

Clare73 said:
Interesting. . .Mk 9:49?

Mark 9 in context:

42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me [i]to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where

‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

49 “For everyone will be seasoned with fire, and every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt. 50 Salt is good, but if the salt loses its flavor, how will you season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace with one another.”

Contextually the verses are quite plainly speaking of hell.

Always in His Presence · Oct 29, 2025

Trump arrives in South Korea; Senate rejects latest funding bill as SNAP deadline looms

Follow live updates as President Donald Trump continues his three-country Asia tour with a final stop in South Korea, where he'll meet with China's Xi Jinping.

www.nbcnews.com

and here comes a meeting with China!

walter45 · Oct 29, 2025

What are your thoughts? Doesn't everybody come from their own unique experiences and reasons for believing what they believe?

Mark 12:30-31

IMO Even if we believe differently than the other person, but we ‘Love your neighbor as yourself’ wouldn't that be a powerful and positive foundation for the world?

christianlloydteegardin · Oct 29, 2025

linux.poet said:
AMBASSADOR HAT
I’m not a Calvinist, but I’m a mod.

Er, this discussion isn’t really allowed on the forums due to this rule:

Flaming and Goading

Please treat all members with respect and courtesy through civil dialogue.

That would include Calvinists, unfortunately.

Do not personally attack (insult, belittle, mock, ridicule) other members or groups of members on CF, or use nicknames to do so. A list of unacceptable names can be found here.. Address only the content of the post and not the poster.

Saying “Calvinists are narcissists” would be flaming Calvinists as a group, which is not allowed. Also, claiming that Calvinists engage in “pompous negativity” that you don’t want to deal with is also flaming them as a group.

While saying “there is a link between Calvinism and narcissism” is allowed, you still need to be careful with discussion, as we do have some Calvinists here (yikes!) who will be around to debate against your link, which could run you afoul of this rule:

NO Goading. This includes images, cartoons, smileys or post ratings which are clearly meant to goad. Quoting and then editing another members post to change the original meaning, commonly referred to as "fixed it for you" (FIFY), is considered goading.

And when you do that, that will get your thread closed. Calvinists don’t really like being called narcissists, and if they decide to engage in “pompous negativity” in response to being insulted, you provoked (goaded) them into breaking the rules. The whole thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And also, before you get on the whole “mods are evil and are siding with narcs” high horse, if someone else came along and said the Armenians are narcissists who engage in pompous negativity, I’d delete their post too. “But Armenians aren’t narcissists.” Well duh. That’s what the Calvinists think too. There’s a lot better ways to debate that perpetual theological collision than accusing the other side of having a mental disorder. Eh? Just a friendly reminder and word of caution.

AMBASSADOR HAT OFF

Noted.

Always in His Presence · Oct 29, 2025

China confirms Trump-Xi meeting

China has confirmed that President Xi Jinping will meet with Trump tomorrow in the South Korean city of Busan.
The leaders of the world’s two biggest economies will meet to “exchange views on bilateral relations and issues of mutual interest,” a Foreign Ministry spokesperson said.
This will be the first face-to-face meeting of the two leaders since Trump returned to office in January. They are expected to talk about tariffs, rare earth export controls, and the issue of Taiwan.

probinson · Oct 29, 2025

Tropical Wilds said:
I'm not even remotely fixated on it.

Sure. I mean, maybe you don't know what the word "fixated" means. But just look at the long diatribes you're posting here. It sure looks like a "fixation" to any "objective" person.

Hentenza · Oct 29, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
You're looking at it from the wrong angle. Jesus who is God made flesh, where did He ever teach not to keep the Sabbath, just once?

When He fulfilled the law including the Ten Commandments. In the NT Jesus mentions the particular commandments that were summarized in His two love commandments. Never did He mentioned the 4th commandment. This is because Jesus ushered in the new covenant which does not include the law.

SabbathBlessings said:
He didn't have to tell His apostles because they were keeping every Sabbath before and after His death according to the commandment Luke23:56 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4.

Yep. They went to the temple to win Jews to Jesus. Even Paul explains why he became one with the law to win those of the law. The numbers added to Christianity consisted of both Jews and gentiles.

SabbathBlessings said:
Jesus linked keeping the Sabbath to the prophecy of His Second Coming. Never did He say it ended at the Cross, He clearly stated His faithful would be keeping it decades after as we see with all His apostles.

Mat 24:20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And you claim to quote in context? How come you didn’t quote verse 16? Who resides in Judea? Well the Jews of course. And what do the Jews keep? The sabbath of course. Context is indeed important.

“then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house. And whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. But woe to those women who are pregnant, and to those who are nursing babies in those days!”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭16‬-‭19‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 24:16-18 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house. And whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. | New American Standard Bible - NASB

then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house. And whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak.

bible.com

SabbathBlessings said:
And the Sabbath continues on after He makes a new heaven and new earth for worship, thus saith the Lord.

Isa 66L22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

And who is the audience of Isaiah? The Jews of course. Why wouldn't Isaiah use Jewish imagery.

SabbathBlessings said:
Do you really think God is going to make a separate part of heaven for all those who opposed God's Sabbath and holy day for worship. I think one is kidding themselves. God will never force one to obey Him or keep His commandments. We have to have love in our heart for Jesus to follow His example and follow what He taught and lived. He certainly never taught not to keep the Sabbath, He said plainly we can do evil on the Sabbath but said to do good Luke6:9 I Profaning the Sabbath He relates as doing evil Neh13:17 Isa 56:2 something in the past He punished as it showed a lack of faith. I do not believe it will be a different result. We are told it won't be. Eze20:13 Heb4:11

You proof is just one verse away. Provide a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the Jewish sabbath.

rjs330 · Oct 29, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Seventy times seven.
Matthew 18:21-22

Thats dealing with someone sins against you personally. It also does not deal with the consequences of the sin. If your husband beats you, you have to forgive him seventy times seven. Do you think then that it absolves him of any consequences?

Also this scripture doesnt apply to s I ending taxpayer money to help drug addicts and how money we should spend to help them.

DaisyDay said:
That's true. If they are not harming you, why are you trying to force them?

Never use that argument. Its a bad one. Your husband beating on you doesn't
harm me either. But I would want to stop it because it harms you. There is a harm to society as a whole when you are addicted to drugs. Do you think no one is harmed by the drug trade?

DaisyDay said:
Sure, kill the people who are not us in hopes that the people who are us will modify their own behavior. Good idea! The only ones who matter are us, not them. /s

I have no problem with our government doing that to drug dealers trying to smuggle poison into our country that has killed millions if us.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 29, 2025

SavedByGrace3 said:
That question goes to the Democrats. It is their no votes that shut the government down. Yes votes would have kept it open.
Rational common sense.

Right. They have to go along with the GOP or the government stays shutdown. No hope the two parties will work together.

SavedByGrace3 · Oct 29, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Is a government shutdown worth it to prevent that?

That question goes to the Democrats. It is their no votes that shut the government down. Yes votes would have kept it open.
Rational common sense.

SavedByGrace3 · Oct 29, 2025

I was reading a poll today that stated 8% blame Trump (who does not even vote in the Senate), 9% blame the Republicans, and 83% blame the Democrats. Rightly so. A continuing resolution is not the time to add legislation and spending. Pass the CR and then negotiate the other things. Democrats shut down the government and are holding America Hostage. They seem to think they won the election.

essentialsaltes · Oct 29, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
I'll see your three vaccinations and go all in.

Louisiana health department says it will stop promoting mass vaccination. Here's what that could mean
In a surprising announcement, Louisiana's surgeon general announced late Thursday that the state health department "will no longer promote mass vaccination."

Above is from February 15th of this year.

Louisiana officials waited months to warn public of whooping cough outbreak

Whooping cough, also called pertussis, is a highly contagious vaccine-preventable disease that's particularly dangerous for the youngest infants. It can cause vomiting and trouble breathing, and serious infections can lead to pneumonia, seizures and, rarely, death.

By late January 2025, two babies had died in Louisiana.

But the Louisiana Department of Health waited two months to send out a social media post suggesting people talk to their doctors about getting vaccinated.

The department took even longer to issue a statewide health alert to physicians, send out a press release or hold a press conference.

On Feb. 13, the state's surgeon general, Ralph Abraham, sent a memo to staff ending the general promotion of vaccines and community vaccine events.

He sent that email a few hours after Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an anti-vaccine activist, won Senate confirmation as the new U.S. health and human services secretary.

Then in May — at least three months after the second infant death — the health department issued what appears to be its first and so far only official alert to physicians. It put out its first press release, and it then held a press conference about pertussis on May 14.

By then, 42 people, three-quarters of whom were not up to date on their whooping cough immunizations, had been hospitalized for whooping cough since the outbreak began, according to the Louisiana Department of Health.

More than two-thirds of those hospitalized were babies under age 1.

As of Sept. 20, Louisiana had counted 387 cases of whooping cough in 2025, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The previous 35-year high was 214 cases, in 2013.

Dead babies aren't much fun.

Anne69 · Oct 29, 2025

Week 1

Encamped in the Shelter of the Most High

Opening Prayer – Week 1

Lord, as I enter this quiet space, I come beneath Your wings—seeking refuge, comfort, and peace. Encamp me in Your presence and let Your Word be a balm to my soul. May Your promises in Psalm 91 awaken trust within me, and may Your nearness calm every storm. I surrender this time to You, believing that You are my shelter and my strength. Amen.

Devotional Message

To be encamped in the shelter of the Most High is to live surrounded by divine presence, even when life feels uncertain or fragile. Psalm 91 reveals a God who commands angels to guard us, who responds to love with deliverance, and who satisfies us with eternal promises. His protection is not passive—it is personal, active, and all-encompassing. In every season, whether we feel strong or weary, seen or forgotten, God is near. He hears our cries, knows our name, and walks with us through every valley. This is not a distant hope—it is a present reality. We are not alone. We are encamped by Heaven.

Psalm 91:11 NKJV “For He shall give His angels charge over you, to keep you in all your ways.”

Meaning This verse reveals the unseen realm of God’s care. His angels are not distant or decorative—they are assigned to guard, guide, and protect. The phrase “in all your ways” speaks to the totality of life: every step, every season, every sorrow. It is a promise of divine oversight and spiritual companionship.

Application Trust that you are never walking alone. Whether you’re navigating grief, illness, or daily responsibilities, God’s angels are present. You may not see them, but their presence is real. Reflect on moments where you’ve been spared, comforted, or strengthened—these may be glimpses of angelic intervention. Let this verse remind you that Heaven is actively involved in your journey.

Psalm 91:14–15 NKJV “Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him; I will set him on high, because he has known My name. He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him…”

Meaning These verses reveal the intimacy God desires. To “set your love” upon Him is to choose Him above all else. Knowing His name means knowing His character, His mercy, His justice, His faithfulness. God responds to love with deliverance and to relationship with elevation. This is not a distant deity—it is a personal Father who answers when called.

Application Cultivate a love for God that is intentional and personal. This isn’t about performance, it’s about presence. When you call on Him, He promises to answer. Let this be your assurance: your prayers are heard, your love is seen, and your relationship with Him is honored. In seasons of silence, this promise becomes a lifeline.

Psalm 91:16 NKJV “With long life I will satisfy him and show him My salvation.”

Meaning This verse is God’s final promise in the psalm—a declaration of satisfaction and eternal assurance. “Long life” may speak to earthly years, but it also points to spiritual fullness and eternal life. To be shown His salvation is to be invited into His presence forever.

Application Let this verse be comforting when life feels uncertain or brief. God’s definition of satisfaction is not limited to time—it includes peace, purpose, and eternal reunion. For those who dwell in Him, life is not measured only in years, but in grace and glory.

Closing Prayer

Father, thank You for meeting me here. Thank You for Your angels who guard me, Your love that delivers me, and Your voice that calls me by name. As I rise from this sacred moment, let Your truth remain—You are with me, You are for me, and I am encamped by Heaven. May I walk forward in peace, knowing I am never alone.

In Jesus’ name, Amen

Journaling & Questions to Ponder

Reflect gently on these questions as you dwell in the shelter of the Most High:

Where have you felt God’s shelter in your life?

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What does it mean to you, to do not visit His presence?

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How can you speak truth aloud when fear tries to take hold?

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Have you ever sensed divine protection in a moment of danger or uncertainty?

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What does “setting your love upon God” look like in your daily life?

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Feel free to share your reflections below, or simply hold them in your heart. This is a space of grace.
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Akita Suggagaki · Oct 29, 2025

Currently a pretty good biographical documentary on PBS (while it is still available).

We used to have intellectuals at the White House.

SavedByGrace3 · Oct 29, 2025

I think what you are experiencing is more of a natural reaction that revolves around eating and drinking—anything! Try the same thing with a Coke or tea. Try to eat just one Lays potato chip. I think we are just made to desire that extra sip or nibble. I may be wrong, but that is just my two sips.

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