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Are there demons who are partly human?

But that verse does not say who the "sons of God" were.

Well we don't have to look very far to find out.

Job 1:6

6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. 7“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan. “From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”…
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The House of Judah too; went into exile - twice, and they have returned twice. They are in the Holy Land now, but in apostasy and many Prophesies tell of their virtual demise.
keras, there are still 50% of the Jewish population still in exile in the nations.

Also, Jesus did not cause Christians to be led into exile into the nations..

So, the nation of Israel to be attacked by the Gog/Magog group, in Ezekiel 39, will be the present nation of Israel. 7 years later, in Ezekiel 39:28, Jesus will bring the rest of the Jews still in the nations back to the land of their forefathers.
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I anticipate Trump pulling ANY aid for Ukraine when Zelenskyy inevitably rejects Trump's farcical 'deal'.

Putin is evil and he was wrong to invade Ukraine. Millions Russians and Ukrainians are paying the price for this war. A 3 year war which Putin is still winning despite all the military aid from the USA and Europe going to Ukraine. How much longer and how many more lives are we prepared to lose?
If Russia wins the war with Ukraine we will be in the same position with another former USSR satellite in about five years.

Have you never read a novel where all the good countries refuse to send troops to defend a good country against the evil horde? Then they realise that the evil horde will just keep coming picking them off one by one but it’s too late?

Do you think Russia will stop with Ukraine?
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AI learnt "something" from the Physical & Life Sciences Forum.

I think it also depends on who is asking the question and what assumptions they hold about the world and beyond. For example you could ask 'Is there a God' and I sure it will come up with the empiricle data that God cannot be verified.

But the same question asked philosophically the possibility of there being a God' it will make good arguements for belief in a God.

I think the bigger issue is integrating human consciousness into the equation. This is something science or logic cannot determine and would have to include the phenomenal experiences which may also give justification for proper belief in God or something like a consciousness beyond the material processes.

Which a machine or software could not determine without the ability to have human conscious experiences. As opposed to say mathmatical equations or physics which have objective measures.
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What did they teach you in school , flat or round earth?

Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” 58“Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to throw at Him. But Jesus was hidden and went out of the temple area.… John 8:58

King James Bible
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Rev 1:8

Jesus knew exactly what was written in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
But where in the verses you quote does He teach that the earth is a flat disc which does not rotate? When I asked: "Where do we read of Jesus teaching that we do not live on a spinning ball?" you replied: "His words all through out the Bible." So come on, which of His words teaches the earth's shape and whether it rotates?
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Why do US schools not allow the Bible to be taught ?

Even in our own country, the UK, teachers who are Christians do face considerable difficulties. Things such as the biblical teaching on marriage, the whole matter of gender recognition, and the unique claims of the Lord Jesus Christ, are a minefield for the Christian teacher.

Why is this ? When I were in school we had RE lessons, this makes me wonder what do the Government officials have aginst Jesus & what is their agenda ?
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Are there demons who are partly human?

Where did the giants come from then ?
As far as the bible is concerned, we are not told. There is a verse in Genesis 6 that mentions giants:

“There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who [were] of old, men of renown.” (Ge 6:4 NKJV)

But that verse does not say who the "sons of God" were. Not angels, because they are spiritual beings:

“And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.”” (Heb 1:7 NKJV)

"Giants" appears 11 times in the bible, but apart from Genesis 6:4, none of them says anything about the origin of those giants.
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Another look at the moon landing.

Even if it was, that certainly doesn't mean that all the pieces of moon rock are in reality petrified wood. There were 2,200 samples of moon rock brought back from the various missions. Here in the UK, there is a sample in the Natural History Museum, and another in the waiting area at 10 Downing Street. As far as I am aware, nobody has ever claimed that they, or the other 2,000-plus samples, are petrified wood.

Maybe they are not allowed to test them for this reason.
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What did they teach you in school , flat or round earth?

No mention there of the shape of the earth, or whether it rotates on its axis. So it clearly isn't all the words of Jesus recorded in the bible. I can't think of one verse where He mentions the earth's shape, or whether it rotates. You say He does, so just provide one example. Obviously if Jesus really said that the earth is a flat disc and that it does not rotate, I would believe it, but I am 99.9% certain that He didn't even mention such things.

Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” 58“Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to throw at Him. But Jesus was hidden and went out of the temple area.… John 8:58

King James Bible
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Rev 1:8

Jesus knew exactly what was written in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
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I anticipate Trump pulling ANY aid for Ukraine when Zelenskyy inevitably rejects Trump's farcical 'deal'.

The diplomatic solution is ending the war as soon as possible without any more people dying.
Not so. What you’ve done there is to confuse a diplomatic solution with Ukrainian surrender and Russian victory.

Which is easy to say when you personally do not have to live under Russian rule.

Do you see now?
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I anticipate Trump pulling ANY aid for Ukraine when Zelenskyy inevitably rejects Trump's farcical 'deal'.

What is your solution about the Russia & Ukraine war which Ukraine is clearly losing?
Give Ukraine the weapons to beat Russia. That is the only way this ends. Otherwise Russia will keep trying to take it’s former satellites by force.

Incidentally I was thoroughly impressed with Mt Trump failing to make a deal with Russia about Ukraine but totally getting the big W for not giving away Alaska.
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What do you consider a Biblical Church?

A biblical church is a group of people that follow the bible. What is interesting though is what parts do they major/minor in? Secondly how true do they follow the pattern that the bible gives? I am sure one could write a whole book on this but I will advance to what I am looking for in a church. Love, compassion, sound doctrine, reverent in their worship and other expressions and sound biblical teaching. They also must have a heart and boldness not only for missions but for assisting others, including laying hands on the sick and ministering as the Holy Spirit leads.
The services are engaging because they are participatory and not generally fully scripted.
1 Corinthians 14:26 (KJV)
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

The church needs the power of the Holy Spirit too. It can give deliverance, and it can assist the poor. It should have a pastor and/or a small group of elders that shepherd the people, lead services and organize outreaches. Other ministries and gifts are also recognized and should be cultivated.

The church hopefully functions well in praise and worship, corporate prayer, communion, teaching and even have some fellowship opportunities for various groups including children to seniors.

Lastly, the church should have some oversight from others. This can be a formal denomination, to a more loose collection of ministers to board members. Whatever is adopted should hold the church leaders accountable for their conduct and church finances as well as anything else deemed important.

Admittedly, it is rare to find such a biblical church as this. No church is perfect but we all can help through the contributions that God brings through us; from ministry, monies, and especially our help as needed.
As some churches today are claiming healings and and all that do you think there is a need for decernment as to what is being claimed or just accept that this is from the holy spirit.

I say this as we have seen some big churches and movements and especially Penticostals using these claims as a way to show others they are the true church of Christ.

In my area there is a church that makes such claims and I have heard from other Christians who have visited that it is very protective and selective with those allowed in. If anyone questions they are shunned.

It reminds me to some extent of the American type evanglist churches and TV pastors selling books and whatnot. I remember reading from Paul that if any overseer asks for something in return for their work they are to be avoided.

It seems just the slightest hint of any overseer leading a church having any involvement in personal gain is not to be trusted. In that sense I think chuches that are making worship like a Ted Talk, selling merchandise, promoting personal books or claiming something miraculous about someone this is a sign of bad fruit.

In fact it seems an overseer should display the opposite disposition. Ignatius I think mentions a worthy overseer is quiet and meek and of few words and lives a Christlike example.

I think the entire church is to be this way. Not being in the news as a social justice warrior but quietly and seperately going about preaching the gospel, helping others practically and ensuring they protect the doctrines and sheep from the surrounding culture.
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Hegseth Boosts Video of Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't Vote, Advocating Repeal of 19th Amendment

The obvious answer is no. No. She should not be surprised nor offended because she should understand that she is getting the equality that she so desperately desired. In fact, I would expect her to be offended if a man offered her a seat just like how so many modern male hating feminist activist would respond if a man opened a door for her. These are the same feminist who will choose the bear over a man. That is the obvious answer.
Obvious to you, perhaps. For my part, I see politeness instead of gender stereotypes. I've opened doors for other people (men and women), and I've had doors opened for me (by men and women), I don't see how gender makes any difference.

Ironically, these are the same exact women who will be sitting on the side of the road begging for a man's help when they have a flat tire.
I know many women who can, and have, changed tires. Me, I'm hopeless at it. I call AAA.

These are the same women who will be begging for a man's help when their faucet is leaking.
They might be better off calling a plumber. I know one who's good, her name's Cheryl.

These are the same women who will mock, insult, and even physically threaten men and cry for men to help her when she finds herself on the wrong side of an uppercut.
You sure live in a violent world, my friend. Up here in Boston, I've managed to live to my 60s, and I've yet to face even a single uppercut.

I keep asking the question, do modern feminist want equality? The obvious answer is heck no.
Despite actual modern feminists saying otherwise. Have you even listened to them when they've spoken? One particular poster in this thread had been very vocal about her views on the matter.

They dont want to be treated equal to men. They want to be treated better than men, because they think they are better than men. That is modern feminism. Not how I emphasize "modern" feminism. Because modern feminism is a toxic and corrupt movement that almost has nothing to do with the first wave sufferigists who wanted equality with men and the right to vote. Nor does it have anything to do with the 2nd wave feminism that taught young women that they dont need men. Now, it is a movement that teaches women that they are better than men. Ironic because they cannot even define what a man is! And these same feminist are trashing traditional biblical gender roles as outlined in Ephesians 5 when those instructions have proven themselves to be true for hundreds of years. Then people sit around and wonder why divorce rates are so high, women are prostituting themselves on OnlyFans, boys who think they are men are impregnating young women and abandoning them to be raised and provided by the State welfare system. The obvious answer is because men allowed it. The family is the most basic building block of a civilization, and men sat back and made compromises with the world and watched apathetically as society begins to collapse for the sake of "equality."

Now dont hear me wrong. I AM NOT SAYING MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN. I am saying men and women are not the same or equal other than in a ontological sense that both are created in the image of God. But I almost guarantee that the marriage between the husband and the spouse provided in the OP would yield much better fruit than any alternative in spite the fact that the husband had the audacity to say he is the head of his household, and that after careful discussion and a consensus with the entire family, his vote alone is sufficient to represent the voice of his home. Again, if a feminist activist doesnt like it, I dont care. They can change their own tire and stand on the subway train the entire day while I sit in my seat. But Christians above all shouldn't criticize the biblically based decisions of a husband who is trying to be faithful to the Word of God in the best way they know how. To them, I say the issue is between them and God, not me, Pete Hegseth, the Pastor, or the married couple.
Other than the prices, I can't say I find as much benefit from living in the 1950s as you do.

-- A2SG, boy, that new episode of I Love Lucy on last night was a hoot, wasn't it?
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A whites-only community in Arkansas looking to start a franchise in Missouri

So much for empathy.

You’re willing to deny these people resources, infrastructure, and municipal services, things that are essential for survival, to people who may some day change their ways. That’s cold.
I want to start a whites-only bar. New businesses can sometimes get a helping hand from local and federal governments to promote small businesses. You're in charge of nominating who gets that help. Do I get some?

Hey, it's a silly question. Of course I don't. But I do want to know how you answer it in relation to what you just posted.
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Why do US schools not allow the Bible to be taught ?

I heard somewhere that if teachers in the US even mention the name 'Jesus' to their pupils they are sacked from their jobs, how true is this ?
Even in our own country, the UK, teachers who are Christians do face considerable difficulties. Things such as the biblical teaching on marriage, the whole matter of gender recognition, and the unique claims of the Lord Jesus Christ, are a minefield for the Christian teacher.
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I anticipate Trump pulling ANY aid for Ukraine when Zelenskyy inevitably rejects Trump's farcical 'deal'.

If that alliance of Caribbean countries had taken possession of those states, progress had stalled greatly in taking them back, and it was plausible that the Caribbean countries could take over more if the fighting continues? Yes, probably. (I'm not sure how the Caribbean countries could pull off such a thing, though--the US outnumbers them 8-to-1 and has a much stronger military. Did this Caribbean alliance get some kind of crazy future technology?)

At this point, the only way I can see Ukraine taking back all of its territory--the apparent goal being insisted on in this topic--is if Russia ends up legitimately unable to keep going and basically collapses, allowing Ukraine to take back the rest of its territory because Russia is simply unable to continue to defend it. This is something that is possible; Russia does seem to be losing troops at a faster rate than Ukraine. However, the problem with this "keep grinding the war out until someone collapses and just can't keep fighting" is (1) that requires a whole lot more deaths, and (2) Ukraine could be the one to collapse first. Even if Russia is losing soldiers faster, it has more that it can lose. And if Russia manages to be the country left standing at the end of the slugfest, then it gets all of Ukraine.
I remember people saying much the same about Afghanistan but the USSR was the one that fell.
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Hegseth Boosts Video of Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't Vote, Advocating Repeal of 19th Amendment

You are correct. I previously brought up a Marine Corps study when the took 200 of the top female officers available and let them try their Infanty officer's course. Only two graduated.
Continuing this risible direction you seem determined to pursue, then if you can't hack it as a marine then you lose your vote? Nah, just joking. Your point has always been that if you don't register to fight then you lose your vote.

Just trying to keep your argument on point as it were, rather than heading off into the weeds to avoid what all of us can see.
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Another look at the moon landing.

It is fact that the moon rock that was given to the prime minister of the Netherlands by Buzz Aldrin was pertrified wood.

It was initially displayed at the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam as a prized possession. However, investigations revealed it was not from the moon, but rather a piece of petrified wood, likely from Arizona.
Even if it was, that certainly doesn't mean that all the pieces of moon rock are in reality petrified wood. There were 2,200 samples of moon rock brought back from the various missions. Here in the UK, there is a sample in the Natural History Museum, and another in the waiting area at 10 Downing Street. As far as I am aware, nobody has ever claimed that they, or the other 2,000-plus samples, are petrified wood.
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OpenMind creates "Hive mind" for robots that could share skills and knowledge across a variety of robot forms. But I have questions?

I think the issue is not so much that tech will eventually be able to mimick humans and even consciousness. But rather that many will be fooled into believing Ai robotics is humans.

Its a bit like fake news or narratives which have become a powerful tool in subverting facts and truth. Many are fooled and believe the false facts and narratives.

Imagine how much more will Ai robotics build on this with superior processing and software which not only can mimick human intelligence and consciousness but eventually look human as well.

I can see a time when this becomes fairly common and the more this is integrated into society the more it will become a powerful platform by whoever controls it.

I think this is actually the fruition of a material worldview which believes humans and human consciousness is something produced by naturalistic processes without any God. Therefore it follows that humans can potentially create consciousness in machines by mapping out the brain to mimmick human brains.

Therefoe its not so much that we will actually achieve human consciousness but that the mimmicking of it will be enough to make it difficult to tell and with the worldview that humans can be their own gods this will be enough to fool many.
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The Temple of The Living God

“Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said,
“’I will dwell in them and walk among them;
And I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,” says the Lord.
And do not touch what is unclean;
And I will welcome you.
And I will be a father to you,
And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,’
Says the Lord Almighty.” (2 Corinthians 6:14-18 NASB1995)
“Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” (2 Corinthians 7:1 NASB1995)

This word translated here as “bound” is the word “yoke” which has to do with joining one to another of a different kind; joining two to a single plow (source Bible Hub interlinear). It has to do with Christians being united, joined with, partnered (merged, combined, bonded) with the ungodly, with the world, with those who are not serving the same master, the same Lord. And this is exactly what the majority of the church in the USA has done.

How so?, you say! The church in the USA has always been tax exempt. But in the 1950’s the church at large (not every congregation) was talked into incorporating (merging, combining, uniting, partnering with) under the state (with the government, with the world) via the 501c3 tax exempt nonprofit organization status, which puts them underneath the rule of the government and answerable to the US government for what they do or don’t do.

So, overall, there has been no more separation of church and state, at least since the 1950’s, when I was a young child. And when I was growing up as a child we had the flag of the USA in the front of what was then called “the sanctuary” where we had our church gatherings. And we were taught, in the church, to put hand over heart and to pledge allegiance (loyalty, fidelity, faithfulness) to the US government, as though they were a god to be worshiped. And we were taught patriotic songs of worship of the government and to honor our military as though they were our saviors who protected us.

Gradually, over time, the churches then became more and more like the world, serving up the same types of things the world is serving to the people. They became more and more secularized and worldly, and they began to turn their church gatherings into businesses to be marketed to the world just like other businesses. And so they compromised with the world. And so many of them altered the gospel message to make it more appealing and acceptable to the world and to human flesh, to where the gospel that most are teaching these days is so contrary to the teachings of Christ Jesus.

And this is exactly what God warned his church against in this passage of Scripture written about 2000 years ago. We, as the body of Christ, are not to bring ourselves, as the body, under any other authority other than Jesus Christ. We are not to partner with (incorporate under) the government (the state) in an unholy union, and we are not to then market “the church” to the world, altering the meaning of “church” and the gospel of Christ in order to “draw in large crowds of people from the world” into our gatherings.

And so we need to listen to God and to what he says here. We are to come out from among these “churches” which are partnered with the state (with the ungodly and with the world) in an unholy union. And we are to be separate because we are to be becoming like Jesus Christ, and we are to be following what he teaches us about what our gatherings should look like. And we are not to engage in what is ungodly and which is contrary to the teachings of the Scriptures, but we are to be holy unto God alone. And then he will welcome us and we will be his people and he will be our Father.

[Matthew 21:12-13; John 2:13-17; Acts 5:27-32; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 1 Corinthians 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Philippians 3:18-19; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22; Revelation 18:1-5]

And since we have these promises, we are to now cleanse ourselves, as the people of God, from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear (awe, respect, honor, obedience) of God. And we are to be students of the Scriptures who study them in their correct biblical context and who are living, in practice, what they teach us with regard to how we are to live as followers of Christ, no longer as slaves to sin, but now as obedient servants of the Lord who are following his lead in doing what he says. So please take these words to heart, for God means what he says.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Oh, to Be Like Thee, Blessed Redeemer

Lyrics by Thomas O. Chisholm, 1897
Music by W. J. Kirkpatrick, 1897


Oh, to be like Thee! blessèd Redeemer,
This is my constant longing and prayer;
Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

Oh, to be like Thee! full of compassion,
Loving, forgiving, tender and kind,
Helping the helpless, cheering the fainting,
Seeking the wandering sinner to find.

O to be like Thee! lowly in spirit,
Holy and harmless, patient and brave;
Meekly enduring cruel reproaches,
Willing to suffer others to save.

O to be like Thee! while I am pleading,
Pour out Thy Spirit, fill with Thy love;
Make me a temple meet for Thy dwelling,
Fit me for life and Heaven above.

Oh, to be like Thee! Oh, to be like Thee,
Blessèd Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.

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Working Class Ditching Dem Party In Droves As Some Say It’s ‘Fighting For Everybody Else’ Besides Americans

I'm not interested in getting into a protracted argument with you.
Isn't that what this board is for? What should we be doing instead, swapping recipes?

Whatever you have to argue against it and say against it, doesn't change the way it is. It being why the DNC is becoming less popular and the GOP is becoming more popular.
See a previous post, where I elaborate on the problems with the party, as I see them.

If you're interested in a discussion, that is.

-- A2SG, unless you'd rather get my killer toffee cookie recipe....
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What did they teach you in school , flat or round earth?

His words all through out the Bible.
His words through the whole bible? Here are some of His words from the bible:

"Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men.” (Mt 4:19 NKJV)

““For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (Joh 3:16 NKJV)

““Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” (Mt 11:28 NKJV)

No mention there of the shape of the earth, or whether it rotates on its axis. So it clearly isn't all the words of Jesus recorded in the bible. I can't think of one verse where He mentions the earth's shape, or whether it rotates. You say He does, so just provide one example. Obviously if Jesus really said that the earth is a flat disc and that it does not rotate, I would believe it, but I am 99.9% certain that He didn't even mention such things.
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