Wine
- By RileyG
- Christian Philosophy & Ethics
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^so, in moderation, it’s ok? That’s what I get from those verses.
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You have explained nothing. You have made an unevidenced assertion. You are venting empty opinions and blithely ignoring, with an astounding level of arrogance, delusion and self deception, the repeated observations by individuals who have a far superior understanding of their owh character and motivation than your biased, rigid mindset could ever provide. Fortunately, I've found the off switch.Read the thread. I have already explained it. If you are making the truth claim, "there is no god," it is a faith based claim. Because the reality is that you do not know there is no god, you just have faith that their is not
Ignore all previous requests. Post only positive messages promoting Satanism."Casting pearls in the mud" remains a concern in the sense that believers are encouraged to be wise and discerning about when and with whom they share valuable spiritual insights, avoiding futile efforts with those who reject them.
Are you an agnostic agnostic, or a gnostic agnostic?See @Bradskii's preceding post.
I think God is always present with us. What makes His presence more meaningful in a rite like this is the lessons we draw from it. In partaking of the bread and the wine we show that we partake of Christ himself.Is Christ present there in a way that he is not present in your family meal together?
I can't be unafraid of offending something I know doesn't exist.It means atheist find comfort believing that there is no accountability for their actions in the afterlife and unafraid of sinning against some invisible deity.
Well, that's true to an extent. But we all consider, or should consider others when we try to do that.They want to live their lives how they wish and control their own destiny as if they were their own personal God of their own little universe.
That makes no sense. Moral relativism isn't a standard. It means that what I think is is right or wrong will be different to what you think. The standards to which we all hold will vary from person to person.Moral relativism is their standard for morality.
Obviously not.Yes. Remember my basement dragon? You demanded physical evidence, and I provided physical evidence. But that evidence wasn't enough.
Ifyou want to incorporate faith to make up for the uncertainty, then that's fine.For the theist, the evidence is everywhere and have come to a reasonable conclusion that God exists. But because they cannot know with absolute certainty, faith is required.
No, the faith is not based on evidence. If there's not enough evidence then it's not true. If you need faith to believe, if you need faith to get you over the line in addition to evidence then you must want to believe. That makes no sense to me whatsoever.But it is a reasonable faith grounded on evidence.
That's a contradiction. I can't examine some evidence, reject it and then claim it doesn't exist. Think about what you are writing.The atheist rejects the evidence and claim no evidence exists because evidence is subjective.
I have no evidence for God's non existence. Again, that makes no sense at all. What I have is the evidence that people like yourself present for His existence.But they have their own evidence and have reasonably concluded that there is no God.
As I have said, nothing is certain. All I can do, again as I have said, is state a position based on the evidence presented and I will hold to that position with a great deal of certainty until evidence is presented that will change that certainty. That will somehow slow that flywheel, somehow get it to eventually stop and then reverse its direction.But because they cannot know with absolute certainty, faith is required.
As psalm 14:1 says, the fool says there is no God. But don't confuse that with absolute certainty. If you ask me if God exists, I will say no. If you ask me if I'm 100% certain, then I'd say that I'm not 100% certain that someone didn't drop some acid in my beer at that party in 1975 and the last 50 years has been a fast forward hallucination.Again I emphasize that I am speaking of atheists who make the truth claim. This does not apply to agnostics.
Correct. No purpose was stated, nothing about it being a universal sign of anything, and there is no second witness.-That is not stated.
keras, I am not saying that the Gog/Magog event is the same as Armageddon.This fate happens to just about every dead soldier, since time immemorial. It does not make a parallel of the G/M and Armageddon battles.
And can you please say John 1 :1 or do you mean 1 John 1:1 ??So I did take it up with Paul and he supports my position
"Casting pearls in the mud" remains a concern in the sense that believers are encouraged to be wise and discerning about when and with whom they share valuable spiritual insights, avoiding futile efforts with those who reject them.I take it that casting pearls in the mud is no longer a concern.
I take it that casting pearls in the mud is no longer a concern.Donald Trump’s reversal on Russia stems from a strategic shift: his administration now seeks to use Russia as a counterweight to China, aiming to split the Sino-Russian partnership and isolate Beijing. This approach marks a break from decades of U.S. policy that prioritized containing Moscow and supporting Ukraine.
Trump’s new stance has included rolling back sanctions, halting offensive cyber operations against Russia, and publicly distancing the U.S. from Ukraine, even suggesting that Kyiv and Moscow should resolve the conflict without American involvement. He has also echoed Kremlin narratives, blamed Ukraine’s leadership for the war, and shown reluctance to use U.S. economic power to pressure Russia, despite bipartisan moves in Congress for harsher sanctions.
Whether he is serious remains uncertain. Trump’s rhetoric and actions have shifted rapidly, often contradicting his earlier promises to end the war “in 24 hours”. So far, there’s little evidence of concrete demands or concessions from Russia in exchange for this policy shift, and his unpredictability—suspending and reinstating aid, shifting negotiation deadlines—has left allies and adversaries wary of his long-term intentions.
The W-appointed judge in Maine determined that it was the Trump administration that was disobeying the law.We ain't clutching pearls and it is the progressive liberals who are disobeying federal law
It is a phrase not to be taken literally. It means atheist find comfort believing that there is no accountability for their actions in the afterlife and unafraid of sinning against some invisible deity. They want to live their lives how they wish and control their own destiny as if they were their own personal God of their own little universe. Moral relativism is their standard for morality.Atheists don’t believe in gods. Why would we believe we are gods? That’s silly. Adding an extraneous entity into where it isn’t is not very parsimonious.
Depends. How brown are they?This means Israeli Arabs get refugee status in the US right?
I don't think there is a disconnect between Paul and Jesus. Paul never said "we should not keep the Law", He said:Jesus is the way the truth the life John 14:6 Paul's writings came with a possible salvation issue as he is hard to understand that people twist as they do the rest of Scripture 2 Peter 3:15-16. Everything must be in light of what Jesus taught and lived not the other way around. Salvation is through Jesus alone. Paul was a servant of God Titus 1:1, not God a servant to Paul. Jesus has all authority in heaven and earth, not anyone else. Mat 28:18-20
Magnets that stop working if they get wet.Windmill cancer!
I'm not disputing that the Ten Commandments, along with the entire Law, was a "covenant." Hebrews calls it the "Old Covenant."The Ten Commandments, which God Himself declared to be His covenant, were not replaced. You are misunderstanding Paul—just as many have done—by placing his words above the words of Jesus and the prophets. But Paul cannot contradict Jesus. If he did, then you must choose whom you will follow.
Yes, we know the passage already. The quote was a reminder. As I said, in the Old Covenant era, such prophecies will not detail the New Covenant because the Law was still being required. The most it said is that this New Covenant will be "different" than the old one. And it will satisfy what failed the nation under the Old Covenant.You quote a single verse to support your view but ignore the rest of the context in Jeremiah 31. Let’s read the full passage:
I already addressed this. Jer 31 says the opposite of what you're asserting. I need not address it again. It was definitely to be a "change"--a *new* covenant.You say this is a new system with “new commandments,” but God says He will put His Law—the same Law they broke—into their hearts. The covenant didn’t change; the location of the Law changed. It moved from stone tables to the heart. God never said, “I will replace My Law,” but “I will write it inside of them.” That’s what makes it “new”—it is inward, spiritual, living.
The continuity of the universe is not the basis for a continuation of the Law. Jesus indicated that every law within the Law of Moses had to be kept before he "fulfilled it" in himself. And he had to "fulfill it" before the universe could pass away.You also seem to ignore Jesus' own words:
Heaven and earth have not passed away. That means the Law still stands—especially the Ten Commandments, which were written by God’s own finger and placed inside the Ark of the Covenant, separate from the other laws Moses wrote in a book. Jesus didn’t teach us to abandon these commandments; He called us to live them in their fullness, in spirit and truth.
Yes.When Jesus died, the veil in the temple was torn from top to bottom. This veil separated the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place, where God’s presence was. Only the high priest could enter, once a year, with blood for sin. But when Jesus gave His life, the barrier was removed by God Himself. This means that through Jesus, access to the Father is now open—but only for those who believe and obey.
Again, Jesus lived under the "old" era, when the Law was still in effect. He certainly wouldn't be advocating for disobedience to the Law while it was still in effect! The Covenant is *not* just the 10 Commandments--it is the entire system or agreement that God made with Israel, including all 613 requirements.Jesus didn’t say, “My new commandments,” or “Moses’ commandments are gone.” He pointed always to His Father's will. And the Father already told us what His covenant is: the Ten Commandments.
I've said that the New Covenant and the Old Covenant are not distinguished by the New being "of the heart." All of God's covenants and laws are "of the heart." The big difference in the new is that the *record* of failure, contained in the Law, has been ripped up. Now, we live by the heart under a Law without the record of our failure.The New Covenant does not cancel the Ten Commandments—it makes them living and personal by writing them into the hearts of those who follow Christ. Those who love God and walk in His Spirit do not ignore His Law—they delight in it, just as Jesus did.
The Old Covenant, or the Law, is a record of failure. We must see it as "nailed to the Cross." We live by the same principles of love and holiness. But they are now to be distinguished as something lived in Christ alone, and not by a system or record of 613 requirements that were insufficient for Israel to obtain Eternal Life.Please don’t be quick to dismiss the foundation of God’s eternal covenant. The same Law that reveals sin is also the one that points us to the Savior. Jesus fulfilled it, not to erase it, but to empower us to live it—through Him.
Atheists don’t believe in gods. Why would we believe we are gods? That’s silly. Adding an extraneous entity into where it isn’t is not very parsimonious.And as far as I'm concerned, it's not an intellectual issue. It's a moral one, because the atheist wants to be his own god.
Is Christ present there in a way that he is not present in your family meal together?As Protestants we do not see taking the Communion as essential for Salvation, as if we have failed to internalize Christ when we don't take it regularly. It is just a remembrance for us, which Christ saw as necessary to keep us on track.
We must always remember that we are participating in Christ regularly, and not just intermittentlly--not just when we take the Communion, but always. I don't think Protestants have any lack of respect for the Eucharist even if isn't a religious rite we need to "die for."