Hentenza said:

Again, open the picture and you can see that there is no smokestack. It’s a low cloud.

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This is not what @Herman Hedning says.

Herman Hedning said:

Time to book a trip this winter? Cheap at only 65,000 USD.

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Why so expensive ? Probably to deter people from going!

BCP1928 said:

So now you are accusing us of making false claims without evidence? You really are an arrogant little twit.

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You literally just made claims without any evidence. You said that I was demeaning others without any evidence.

BCP1928 said:

It's easier the way you do it--just ignore the evidence that doesn't support your speculation.

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What evidence though. We have all agreed that some sort of lathing or turning is involved from the signatures in the vases. No one has provided any evidence to refute the examples I have linked. Only saying we don't know and its possible. That is not evidence.

Oh and also speaking of ignoring the evidence. When I present the experts they are made out to be whackos to undermine their evidence. Anyone who even suggests alternative or advanced knowledge of the ancients is made out to be whacko so as to avoid the evidence.

So whose zooming who. Tell me exactly what evidence I am denying.

BCP1928 said:

Why bother with science when you've already decided what kind of tools were used?

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Another example of misrepresentation of what I actually said. These are strawmen you are using against me. Show me where I have already decided what tools were used. In fact I have clarified this the last time you made this misrepresentation.

I have said what the signatures look like but not what caused them. You just literally said that naming the kind of device that caused the marks is not necessary. Now your using it as an arguement that I am making it necessary by claiming I have already named the tools.

The science names the tools and method. I am only pointing that out. But even the science doesn't tell us what exactly the device was. Only that it left certain marks that look like machining.

Herman Hedning said:

That is true. Since the continents are where they are there's no reason to fly commercially over the inland of Antarctica.

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How can they when the continent of Antarctica doesn't exist, like I said Antarctica circumferences the earth.

King James Bible
For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. Psalm 75:6.

Thats another aspect I think that has ruined the music industry. The commercialisation of music. Which was probably inevitable in a consumer society. But as music began it was an expression of humans. It has deep cultural and religious roots. Thats virtually gone and now its about producing a marketable product.

I remember in the 90s with Stockman, Aiken and Waterman who were music producers and had many hits with the likes of Kylie, Rick Ashley, and Bananarama ect. All more or less following the same formal of electro beat. Even Jason Donovan who is by no means a music artist had a hit song.

But it was the pop culture at the time and popular. More a business than art I think. Or at least commercial interests had well and truely taken over. But inevitable its the fringe music that comes through in the end because its birthed out of the real world culture.

I don't think you can at this point. This has been cultivated for a long time and now some are doubling down on the extremism. This is being made an 'Us and Them' situation by the language used. These are fighting words being spoken. Theres no doubt about that.

I think since the election some on the Left have doubled down on the same language they have been cultivating for a decade or more. That the right, conservatives and by extentions now Jews and Christians are the enermy that needs to be stopped even by violence.

We can trace the connections to other groups including foreign radical groups who hold these Marxist ideas of radical uprising against the establishment. Now its become mainstream Left politics. The radicals are rising to the top and this is evidenced by the rise in the use of violences as a means to take out political opponents and overturn the establishment.

Some commentators liken this to how radical violence was cultivated in nations like Ireland with sectarian violence. It begins with the rhetoric and demonising and the 'us and them' mentality. It always ends in violence. This will get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.

By the way this is not just a US problem but happening across many western nations and in the world such as the Palestinian and Isreali conflict. Its all blurred into one ideological world war that may turn violence on a world scale in the same way its happening in more and more nations.

Rather than the free nations overcoming the crazy radicals we use to thank God were far away. The crazy radicals are winning and turning free nations into divided ideological conflicts to the point of killing opponents. Conicidently just as radical Islamist do because we don't agree with their ideas and beliefs. It all comes from the same mindset.

In a way I believe the Islamist knew this and took advantage of the instability in western nations and furthered the divisions. We have been fools in the west and now we are paying the price.

I got AstraZeneca twice - and then the alternatives the next 2 times.

AZ sucked - 2 days in bed - but hey? Maybe it stopped me getting LONG Covid or dying?

I sent an email to my priest who’s also the pastor of my church.

Vambram said:

Nope. I am putting forth the truth. I know that the truth makes sense.

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You think shipping drugs to willing purchasers is tyranny?

Soyeong said:

So then what is the point of this thread?

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Exactly what the title says.

Hentenza said:

The worms are about to come out of the can. In my debates with sabbath keepers the method of keeping it correctly is extremely elusive. Let’s see if they can shed light on this issue.

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Are you kidding? It is just esier to lable yourself a Sabbath Keeper rather than explain exactly what that is.

Mercy Shown said:

I do. Even about myself

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So then what is the point of this thread?

Soyeong said:

You could say that about any law. You could also say that about being a Christ follower.

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I do. Even about myself

Guojing said:

What Christ was pointing out was that, since entering the kingdom required faith and obedience to the Law, its better to get rid of body parts if they are causing you to sin, and thus missing out on the promised kingdom.

Once they made it into the kingdom, they will be healed anyway, as predicted in OT passages like Psalms 103:3.

The entire sermon of the mount was preached to the nation of Israel, not us gentiles. We can learn from reading those passages though

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As you have tacitly pointed out. Law keeping is often in the mind of the keeper. We see the law, interpret it to our comfort level and then pronounce ourselves law keepers. I don't want the baby then I declare that abortion is not murder.

Mercy Shown said:

Of course not. All you have to do is simply say you are a sabbath keeper and your in.

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You could say that about any law. You could also say that about being a Christ follower.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

That drug addicts need help to get off. We don't just blow up people, that may not be, or may be smuggling drugs.

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Yes they do need help. And we should help them. I'm all for it. The question does become, how many times, ten twenty, three?

There is only so much we can do for people who refuse to stay off. And maybe, staunching the flow will eventually help as well. If we make it much more difficult to obtain, it may help keep them off.

BPPLEE said:

I’m not a Sabbath keeper ( if you mean someone who worships on Saturday) but I think you are mistaken if you’re saying there were no consequences for breaking the Sabbath
Exodus 31:14–15: "You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

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Those are not natural consequences.

Michie said:

I don’t know of any specific prayers that could help you in that area other than the Our Father. I’m sure there are others out there but I have never explored it personally. It might be a good question to ask your priest as they are often in the midst of ridding themselves of earthly attachments.

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Ok thanks

Soyeong said:

Breaking the Sabbath carries the death penalty, though the consequences for breaking God's laws are not uniform. Many of God's laws call for further explanation for how to correct obey them. For example, what exactly does it mean to commit idolatry? Can we eat food that has been prevopoisly offered to idols? Can we nullify idols? Can we reuse the materials that we used to make an idol? Or what exactly counts as committing murder? Can we kill in self defense in the middle of the day or night? Is it murder to kill in war? Is abortion murder? Is euthanasia murder? What if someone accidentally commits manslaughter? Or what what exactly does it mean to honor parents? Do we need to do whatever they tell us? What if our parents are abusive? Do we have an obligation to financially support our parents? If so, how much? And so forth. There is nothing about discussing what exactly is permitted on the Sabbath that is problematic.

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Of course not. All you have to do is simply say you are a sabbath keeper and your in.

I actually really hope Mamdani wins and is able to put into place all his promises. I obviously think they will fail, but what I think is irrelevant. Maybe they won't. Maybe us conservatives will all be proven wrong.

Either case, we should be able to put to rest the idea of theae kinds of policies, one way or another. Does this kind of socialism work? Or doesn't it?

Yeah I know we can show in other places that it didn't work, but its not NY. The left can say over and over again that the other places didn't do it right. I think with NY we can finally say, it does or doesn't work.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

That drug addicts need help to get off. We don't just blow up people, that may not be, or may be smuggling drugs.

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You dont think that stopping the supply of drugs will help drug addicts get off them?

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

I know a lot drug addicts, that are Trump supporters.

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What about it?