essentialsaltes said:

The evangelical Christian lawyer who led the defense team in President Donald Trump’s first impeachment trial is accused of trying to cover up the murder of one of his organization’s employees by a New York City gang that preyed on gay men, after which he and his adult son allegedly tampered with evidence and impeded the police investigation into the 2022 killing.

In a $20 million-plus lawsuit filed Wednesday in Manhattan Supreme Court and obtained by The Independent, Linda Clary Umberger claims attorney Jay Sekulow and his son, Jordan, not only misled the cops about her son’s murder, but also blocked her from collecting an insurance payout she had hoped to receive following his death.

Clary Umberger's suit paints the Sekulows’ alleged actions as an attempt to conceal the fact that they had hired a gay man to establish a local base for their faith-based legal nonprofit, the American Center for Law and Justice, in a sumptuous townhouse near Central Park.

On Thursday, attorney Michael Bowe, who represents Jay and Jordan Sekulow, denied the allegations in Clary Umberger’s complaint.

On the night of May 27, 2022, [son John] Umberger and some friends went out to a Midtown Manhattan gay bar called The Q, where two men, Jacob Barroso and Jayqwan Hamilton drugged him with lidocaine and fentanyl-laced cocaine and led him back to the ACLJ townhouse. [He died there of the drugs and was days later discovered by ACLJ employees.]

Clary Umberger alleges in her suit that the ACLJ townhouse “lacked security,” without cameras inside or outside, or security personnel on-site.

[The suit] says Jordan “insisted” there had been “no foul play” and told her that her son had died of natural causes. Yet, the complaint contends, he began telling ACLJ personnel that John had died “of a self-induced ‘overdose.’”

What’s more, Clary Umberger alleges that the Sekulows’ or their employee “cleaned up” the crime scene before calling police to report her son’s death [and the] misleading assertion also led NYPD detectives to initially treat Umberger’s death as a non-criminal matter.

[The perps have been convicted in the deaths of Umberger and another gay man and sentenced to decades in prison.]

Obviously this all has to be viewed through the lens of "claims in a lawsuit".

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It all points back to Trump.

stevil said:

Both major parties in the USA have deported illegal immigrants and turned people away at the border. This is totally fine.
But then it gets problematic when some prominent people (including the current president) say racist things.
[Trump examples]
This is straight up, NAZI level xenophobic racism.

Then you have Fox news hosts talking about the Great Replacement theory,

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According to a post about the summit on the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism’s website, “Remigration is rooted in the thoroughly de-bunked white supremacist ‘Great Replacement’ conspiracy theory, which purports a planned ‘replacement’ of white people by politicians and other ‘elites.’ Jews are often targeted as driving this ‘plan.’”

They continued: “Remigration is a series of policy proposals, drafted by Austrian Identitarian and former neo-Nazi Martin Sellner, to end the so-called ‘replacement’ by purging the continent of non-white people and eliminating all forms of multiculturalism. The goal is to make countries ‘European again.’”

US State Department set to launch Office of Remigration​

... which will “provide a policy platform for interagency coordination with DHS and other agencies on removals/repatriations, and for intra-agency policy work to advance the President’s immigration agenda.” There will also be offices of International Migration/Repatriation and Refugee Processing.

BNR32FAN said:

No what you’re doing is ignoring the passages that prove you wrong. 2 Timothy 2:12 isn’t the only verse, there are numerous other passages that indicate that saved people can lose their salvation. James 5:19-20 Galatians 5:4 Romans 11:17-23 John 15:1-7 are just a few examples.

The fact that you keep on claiming that 2 Timothy 2:12 doesn’t say that Paul or Timothy could lose their salvation when it clearly states “If we deny Him, He will deny us” and you’ve repeatedly refused to explain what that statement does mean even tho I’ve asked you six times now absolutely 100% without a doubt proves that you are in fact ignoring it. If you weren’t ignoring it you would offer some kind of explanation, even if it’s wrong, but you repeatedly refuse to give any kind of explanation whatsoever. How is that not ignoring it?

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As I have stated previously, there is no verse in the Bible that discusses losing salvation. Repeating the same argument will not alter this fact.

DaisyDay said:

Why not answer the questions you were asked?

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What countries should the UN peacekeepers come from ?

fhansen said:

I already gave you some references-go study more.

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And your understanding of them (post #4) disagrees with part of the NT because

1) you understand "whole world" to mean "all without exception,"rather than "all without distinction," and

2) you have the same sin unjustly being paid for twice, once by Jesus and again by the unbelieving sinner himself.

fhansen said:

Nope, you don't have Institutes in your bible either but I'd bet it's impacted your theology. Either way, both our catechism and Institutes claim to render correct umderstanding of revelation, as you do yourself. Anyway, with the quotes I offered, you can have an expanded understanding now.

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My theology was built from 100% Scripture. . .and it took a couple of years before I discovered that it was in agreement with the WCF (except on divorce).

mindlight said:

Trump is a bull in a China shop and he could have achieved his goals better

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He has goals? Who knew!

Leaf473 said:

I was thinking of this use of the word rest
Come to me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest

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Brother, that other rest is not the Sabbath "day", which has been misinterpreted since Joshua as the seventh day of the week everywhere, when it is fixed at the place of creation in Eden and moves as you go around the earth from Saturday to Friday. Its location between Friday and Saturday depends on the distance from the place of creation. In Jerusalem, for example, it falls between both days. The Sabbath in Jerusalem falls half a day before the seventh day of the week, being exactly on the other side of the site of creation.


Here is an animation of how the Sabbath moves as you go around the earth.

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United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Another form of insulation from criticism.

Nancy Mace Staffers Forced To Make ‘Burner Accounts’ To Defend and Boost Congresswoman Online: Report​

Former staffers for Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC) claimed they had to make “burner accounts” while working for the congresswoman so they could boost her image online and fight with critics.

Jake Lahut reported for WIRED that “former staffers” of Mace claimed they were “setting up burner accounts on a variety of social media platforms to monitor what people were saying about her and bolster her image.” She would also encourage staffers to create personal burner accounts so they could defend her against critics, according to those staffers, all of whom chose to remain anonymous.

“We had to make multiple accounts, burner accounts, and go and reply to comments, saying things that weren’t true—even Reddit forums,” one ex-employee said. “We were congressional staff, and there were actual things we could be doing to help the constituents.”

Would any of her current staffers care to comment?

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

As I have mentioned many times, there is no verse in the Bible that states someone can lose their salvation. Continually bringing up certain verses out of context and repeatedly asking "What does this mean? Answer me." will not change my perspective. I will reiterate, there is no verse in the Bible that states someone can lose their salvation.

It is sad to hear that you claim to be born again, a new creation, and say Jesus paid the penalty of your , yet you have no assurance that you will enter eternal life. At any moment, you can choose to unbelieve Christ or deny him, and your fate will be the same as someone who never knew Christ.

I am also a born-again, a new creation, the Father, who has qualified me to share in the inheritance of the saints in light. He has delivered me from the domain of darkness and transferred me to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom I have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. My salvation is secure in the hands of the Son of God, and nothing can separate me from Him. Even I can’t remove myself from His hand

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No what you’re doing is ignoring the passages that prove you wrong. 2 Timothy 2:12 isn’t the only verse, there are numerous other passages that indicate that saved people can lose their salvation. James 5:19-20 Galatians 5:4 Romans 11:17-23 John 15:1-7 are just a few examples.

The fact that you keep on claiming that 2 Timothy 2:12 doesn’t say that Paul or Timothy could lose their salvation when it clearly states “If we deny Him, He will deny us” and you’ve repeatedly refused to explain what that statement does mean even tho I’ve asked you six times now absolutely 100% without a doubt proves that you are in fact ignoring it. If you weren’t ignoring it you would offer some kind of explanation, even if it’s wrong, but you repeatedly refuse to give any kind of explanation whatsoever. How is that not ignoring it?

Clare73 said:

Present the Scriptures which teach such, understood in the light of all the NT.

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I already gave you some references-go study more.

fhansen said:

Hmm...no, that ∆ was quite unresponsive, though.

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Code. . .

Jeff Saunders said:

So you do not believe scripture as written in the original language is true but your tradition most likely derived from the English is correct?
I was on you-tube the other day and a guy actually said that the King James Bible corrected the Greek and Hebrew that the Bible was written in, are you one of those types.

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Jesus warned more about the really bad news of Hell more than any other subject

Jeff Saunders said:

So you do not believe scripture as written in the original language is true but your tradition most likely derived from the English is correct?
I was on you-tube the other day and a guy actually said that the King James Bible corrected the Greek and Hebrew that the Bible was written in, are you one of those types.

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No far from being a KJVO as my favorite translations are Esv and 1995 Nas

fhansen said:

Nope, you don't have Institutes in your bible either. But both claim to be correct interpreters of revelation as you do yourself.

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Present the Scriptures which teach such, understood in the light of all the NT.

Clare73 said:

I don't have a 600 and a 1037 in my Bible.

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Nope, you don't have Institutes in your bible either but I'd bet it's impacted your theology. Either way, both our catechism and Institutes claim to render correct understanding of revelation, as you do yourself. Anyway, with the quotes I offered, you can have an expanded understanding now based on the wisdom of Christianity as it's been passed down through the centuries.

GoldenKingGaze said:

Clare73, some of us turned to God in fear of death, asking for life, for dear life. Turning into reverence. Remembering the ancient Hebrews. Like Isaiah, Jephtha... God gives us faith in a measure which we have from childhood. Some preachers begin a service aiming to raise faith levels.
When in fear of God I asked for life with death close by, I turned from all sin, but was too confused to try to confess my sins to anyone even God. I knew He knew them and I stopped it all with a view to never going back. After several days I experienced God's presence and a clear conscience on my knees. This cleaning was wonderful and bases my commitment to Jesus. I heard Him say I should ask and receive Him into my heart, but lacking true teaching, I said instead, "No Lord, I am not worthy, send me an angel instead." The preachers had to reach me and teach me over years. There is the need to hear and believe, and be responsible.
There is a need to be responsible against the eternal sin. We have the choice to harden our hearts, or allow the Spirit to do His holy work. Psalm 95:8, Hebrews 3:8. The choice is ours as with the ancient Hebrews. We can do in our hearts what is foolish and some are wiser. Teachings help. Good quality teaching helps.

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We can put our faith in God, and ask or just have faith which may not then save. We need to ask, after God chooses us.
We must choose God in return and press in, or be lost, but God will also seek to save us, but if we are irresponsible we can be lost. People God uses to reach us must also be responsible. Where it says in Acts that God obtains all He foreordained it means He foreknew they would respond to grace,

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Actually, it means God's foreknowledge of his own decree to give them saving faith.

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not that the others were not wanted or unobtainable. Christ died for them all. Later, others there turned to Jesus.
Romans 2:14-16, and we all have a conscience in God's likeness.
I am a victim of the sinful nature, but have done some right things, from my conscience. I have pressed in and obtained some freedom. I have turned to God after sinning many times. I have cried out to God from knowledge/advice and will to live, and been saved from the eternal sin. Hebrews 6:6.

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There is Philippians 2:12,13. God helps us but does not take us over,

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Read it again. . .God works in us both to will and to do.

nor even after we die and yet after we die and are perfected, in freedom we never choose sin. From reverence and love that consumes us and becomes our nature.
So I say, we need to be responsible.

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Scripture presents no such spiritual freedom, but quite the contrary, Jesus said we are slaves to sin (Jn 8:34). . .slaves are not free.

Free will is a construct of man, not of Scripture. . .based on the assumption that if God holds man responsible, then man must have free will.
Biblically, it is not so. . .man is a slave to sin (Jn 8:34).

There are MANY more individual beliefs that OUGHT TO BE in a Christian's
worldview.

Perhaps you can think about many more....

Positions #3
The Bible does not IMPLY a Christian worldview. At least, not in a simplistic way.

If a disciple wishes to pay attention to our shared reality, (and this
includes applying the mind, to what we perceive), THEN

Although the Bible does not imply a detailed worldview, it does imply a
certain worldview that we live in a share reality that is a perceived
worldview that CAN BE accessible, but that can also be ignored. But that
shared reality is not obvios in the way in which some people and theology
require that it IS obvious and clear and does not require that requires of the
disciple that they must be paying attention. (I assert) that paying attention is a
required application of the mind/intellectect THAT IS A REQUIREMENT.

There are other strong teachings in Scripture (about certain knowlege and wisdom),
in the Old Testament and the New, that, in gaining knowledge and wisdom,
we need to start doing this when young, and persist at it, or else we may end up
losing it all due to apathy and persistancy in this activity). Jesus explicitly repeats
this in his New Testament teaching.

Problem #4
Critical Bible study skills have taken a huge dive, along with reading and
critical think skills, across ALL of the younger generations in America, that is,
both among the younger Crhsitians an non-Christian generation.

It is a FALLACY, I assert, that gaining and using critical Bible study skills
can be pursued starting at retirement age.

It is a fallacy, I assert, that God meant us to pursue intellectual study, ONLY
when we get old enough to "have some time to pursue hobbies".

It is a fallacy, I assert, that God calls only some of us to pursue the
devlopment of our mind. Rather, I assert that it is NORMAL for a Christian
to pursue knowlege and wisdom all of our life. This is one reason why I
assert that this responsibility to gain knowlege ad wisdom off on the Holy
Spirit, to ONLY inspire some Christians to pursue knowlege and wisdom on
Older Christians who may find it easier to pursue them. Or, on ONLY some
Christians.

Problem #5

I assert that North American Christians have not quite grasped what the lists
of virtues (and vices) mean in Scriptures mean.

I think that many NA Christians do not realize that self-control, and being
able to PAY ATTENTION, and setting out a plan for life-long learning, boil
down to behavior that is all the same thing. Christians who do not recognize this,
will be making the mistake of NOT recognizing a basic Christian VIRTUE. (Try
arguing to one of the generations of "electronic screen generations", that
being g addicted to hours and hours of surfing the internet, falls under the
general category of NOT having the virtue of self-control....)

wing2000 said:

...never going to happen. ICE holding facilities are already full...around 40k persons. ICE simply does not have the human resources nor physical holding facilities to support 3,000 arrest a day.

No wonder people are leaving. Who wants to work under such unreleastic goals?

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Me then: It's impossible and even the attempt is going to cost lots of additional money. We would do better to focus our existing resources like the Deporter in Chief did and go after the bad guys.

MAGA: So you just want to do nothing about the other illegals?

Me now: If it means we stop hassling middle aged ladies in wheelchairs and toddlers with potentially fatal diseases, by all means let's do nothing.