johnnypapa said:

Yeah might be wrong but a quick read it seems that the Vatican does not object to the theology, just the public title. It does seem strange, the reason though. For centuries we have had to explain all doctrines of Mary to theologically confused non Catholic's lol.

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I didn't mean to imply that the theology was rejected, I meant that it is and was sound theology.

rjs330 said:

Nope, wouldnt say anything. But I probably wouldn't give them any more money. If they were hungry, I'd go buy them the food. And pots and pans so they could cook it.

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Would you buy them a stove to heat the food? The pots and pans? Would you buy the fuel for the stove? You example is nice but fundamentally misunderstands the intricacies of what is constructive support and what is performative tokenism.

Larniavc said:

That‘s the plot of the Saw movies.

A nice sentiment on this a Christian website. Do you really believe people need to be ‘made desperate’? Is that a personal view? I don’t remember reading that in the Bible.

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Oh look, another person putting words in my mouth and sockpuppeting points of view I do not have.

asquirrel said:

But sometimes the only way to make them desperate enough to do some soul searching is when their life can't make them happy.

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That‘s the plot of the Saw movies.

A nice sentiment on this a Christian website. Do you really believe people need to be ‘made desperate’? Is that a personal view? I don’t remember reading that in the Bible.

Always in His Presence said:

Subject of the thread -

Trump loses cool as he's grilled on '60 Minutes -​

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Subject of the thread is

60 Minutes edits Trump Interview​

keras said:

Heaven is where God is and that means He is everywhere.
The 2W are told to 'Come up here'. As Jesus is right then in the process of Returning in glory, they will go up into the clouds, then to Jerusalem, along with 'all who remain' - 1 Thess 4:17

I repeat: None of the verses you think mean people will go to live in heaven, actually say that.
Revelation 7:15-17 is a Prophecy about the Eternal state, after the final Judgement. Proved by how it is then when God will wipe away every tear; Rev 21:4

But it does say that.
NOTHING refutes the statement of Jesus that we never go to heaven, but after everything is all over, God and heaven, will come to us. Revelation 21:1-7

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Well then, it is your own very personal private interpretation because what you claim clearly doesn't say "no one goes to heaven". Are you saying "no one hath gone to heaven" (Perfect tense) means the same as "no one goes to heaven"(present tense)? Where's the future tense "no one will ever go to heaven".
On the other hand, you don't even attempt to disprove the unchanged scripture I have given you. Your claim is that it doesn't say we go live in heaven, but it literally does in many different ways.

Your claim means that we'll always be in the world but not of the world whereas Jesus who was not of the world went eternally to the father in heaven and when Jesus says "In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?"
Explain where is that place?

tampasteve said:

This is good, IMO. It will certainly be one less thing to debate with Protestants about. While the underlying theology was sound, the effort to debate and explain it caused major issues.

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Yeah might be wrong but a quick read it seems that the Vatican does not object to the theology, just the public title. It does seem strange, the reason though. For centuries we have had to explain all doctrines of Mary to theologically confused non Catholic's lol.

He doesn't know who Ghislane Maxwell is, either, even though the deputy AG had her moved to a minimum security prison in Texas after she said Trump was a perfect gentleman at all times. Whaddya bet she gets a pardon after the mid-terms?
And the CZ pardon stinks to high heavens, but Biden pardoned some sketchy charactars as well. I'm looking forward to better more ethical candidates in 2028.

Department of Transportation might be forced to shut down some airspace next week: Duffy​

"You will see mass chaos," Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said.

"You will see mass flight delays. You'll see mass cancelations, and you may see us close certain parts of the airspace, because we just cannot manage it because we don't have the air traffic controllers."

Nearly 50% of all major air traffic control facilities face staffing shortages, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. Air traffic controllers are required to work without pay for the duration of the shutdown.

Duffy said last month that air traffic controllers could be let go if they didn't show up for work.

But the transportation secretary softened that stance over the weekend

fhansen said:

And yet Rom 6, and all of Romans for that matter, presents our captivity itself, who and what we'll be a slave to, as a choice, an ongoing one.

"I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death!" Rom 6:19-21

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"Free will" is a human notion. . .Scripture does not present the totally "free will" of man (Jn 8:34).

Totally "free will" is not about being able to make choices, its about being able to make all moral choices.

Man's will is not totally free if it cannot make the moral choice to live sinlessly.

Apple Sky said:

It is in God's book.

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It isn’t. You are making it up.

SabbathBlessings said:

Its why not isolating Scriptures and inserting what we want it to say, is so important.

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lol you are the one isolating scriptures. I merely showed you how you read this verse.

SabbathBlessings said:

God's will is the same as Jesus will. God's laws are the same as Jesus. Jesus is God, God is Jesus. Jesus never taught do as I say, not as I do. This shows a misunderstanding of the character of Jesus who is God. God always led by example and showed us what it means to do what He asks. From the very beginning. Gen 2:1-3 Exo20:8-11

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Are these different commandments that Jesus kept from what we are to keep if we abide in Him, of course not

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

1 Peter 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for [e]us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;

Same commandments, Jesus showed us how. He could not be our Savior or example to follow if He held Himself to a different standard than He does for us. But instead Heb4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

I am not going to respond further, we are so far off on our understanding of the plain word of God. He will sort this out soon enough.

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This is the same sad argument that you are yet to prove. Again, you can prove your argument by posting a verse that repeats the 4th commandment into Jesus two love commandments. I’ve given you plenty of time to post such a verse but you have not so far. Why?

essentialsaltes said:

They did already. It's in a passed law. The judiciary interprets that law when there are disagreements (as here between the states and the executive).

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well ... I guess we will wait and see what the ruling is.

ThatRobGuy said:

Halal and Kosher slaughter has to be done without stunning.

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That does not seem to be the case, at least when it comes to halal.

Always in His Presence said:

Like Biden setting 2,500 convicted criminal drug offenders free - did he know every one of them? Perhaps Hunters friends?

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Ah, comparing a drug offender with a man who was moving millions of dollars for groups like HAMAS? Lovely comparison.

Always in His Presence said:

What is it with Democrats pardoning drug offenders - Did Obama know all these?

Pardons Granted by President Barack H. Obama (2009-2017)

www.justice.gov

Open a thread on the subject

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No, I will not open a thread.

SabbathBlessings said:

We have been through this a thousand times, not sure why you can't remember I am going to save this post so next time you bring this up I can remind you of what we have been through already.

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Why don’t you show me the post where you refuted it? You are still wrong. Your c&p’s have been throughly refuted but you continue to post them. Maybe that should give you an hint that they are wrong. You continue to use the save out of context verses. There has not been an original post other than when you don’t quote verses. Again, all you have to do to prove your argument is to post a verses where the 4th commandment was repeated into Jesus two love commandments.

SabbathBlessings said:

Just like we went through the law of faith is the law of God, the law of sin and death is not faith, but breaking or not subjecting ourselves to the law of God. Romans 7:22-25 Rom8:7-8

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But you continue to ignore the verses around them that clarify the interpretation. Take for example Romans 8.

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are in accord with the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are in accord with the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
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The law of God here is again contrasted between those of the flesh and those of the Spirit. Paul begins this chapter by criticizing the law so do you think that Paul is panhandling the law for the Christian? I think not.

SabbathBlessings said:

Yes, God made the first one obsolete, no one is arguing that. But God in His great mercy did not leave His people with a way to reconcile and be in His covenant

However the New Covenant is not established on all new laws and all the old laws became obsolete or God wrote and un-biblical number of 9 commandments in the NC and forgot to write the one commandment He said to Remember and is holy, blessed by God of the Universe that points to Him as our Creator Exo20:11 the only God we are to worship Rev14:7 and God our Sanctifier Eze20:12

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Again, post the verse where the 4th commandment is repeated into Jesus two love commandments. That is all you have to do to prove your argument. Until you do your argument is not based on biblical evidence.

SabbathBlessings said:

So back to what the Bible says is the New Covenant and what it is established on

Heb8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

Which means what the entire basis is on, not new laws but better promises.

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Which does not includes laws but promises. Nothing in this verse about laws.

SabbathBlessings said:

What happened to God's laws in the New Covenant. Paul explains this plainly


2 Cor3: clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

The only Law written on tables of stone is the Ten Commandments- All Ten of them, just as God said Deut4:13 Exo 34:28

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And yet Paul plainly said NOT on tablets of stone. The tablets of flesh is Jesus (Rom.10:4). Jesus fulfilled the 4th commandment on Him and is not the Lord of the sabbath.

SabbathBlessings said:

And where did those Laws go, Paul tells us from tables of stone to tablets of the heart. Exactly what God said His Laws (He defines them not man) from being written on stone Exo34:28 to being written on the heart Heb8:10 if we do not rebel Rom8:7-8 and not listen to the Holy Spirit tell us to not harden our hearts (to the law of God where He placed it in the heart) but turn from sin, rebellion and unbelief which is disobedience. Heb3:7-19

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The Jewish law is no more for the Christian. We are in a new covenant that does not include the law. End stop. There is no argument that you can put forward that would justify the bondage of the law for the Christian.

David Lamb said:

Granted I mentioned France first, in answer to you "flat as a pancake" post. In reply, you mentioned seeing France from Dover. You wrote:

"From Dover you can see France & you can see it all, from the bottom up. France is about 21 miles and if the curvature is 8" per mile the drop should 14 feet & it's not."

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Yes that's what I wrote & it is true. I also went on to say 'They say our eyes can only see 3 mile away' as you can see this is not true.

Say it aint so said:

Congress already passed the bill.
It was signed into law.
The money is already there.
The president's job is to "execute the law"
And in this case to execute providing those congressional emergency funds to snap participants.
Why a judge has to basically force him to do his job tells you what kind person he is.
But again, unlike times before let's hope he doesn't choose to ignore this judge.

I mean holy moly.

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Oops, spoke too soon. Trump just posted he doesn't plan on dispersing snap funds while the government is closed.

ThatRobGuy said:

"America for Americans" and "France is for the French" existed before Hitler.

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Notably, the AfD considered "Germany for Germans" as a slogan and discarded it because even they recognized it was a little bit too Nazi to be socially acceptable.

The article also used the phrase "blood and soil," which should be even more recognizable to Americans following the Charlottesville Nazi rally a few years back.

Akita Suggagaki said:

Think about it a moment: What does it mean that they want to change the title?

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Recent Change: Defense to War (2025)

• Executive Order by President Trump (Sept 2025)
  Trump signed an order allowing the use of “Secretary of War” and “Department of War” as secondary titles for ceremonial and internal use.
• Motivation
  Trump stated that “Department of War” had a stronger, more victorious connotation, referencing America’s military successes under that name—including the Civil War, World Wars, and others.
  Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth supported the move as part of an effort to “instill the warrior ethos” across the armed forces.
• Legal Status
  The official name remains Department of Defense, but the executive order permits symbolic use of the older title in certain contexts.

That is why.

And Pete Hegseth is still there.

ThatRobGuy said:

Are they slaughtering animals without stunning them first?

If the answer is yes, then I'd say that's unethical. What I'm saying shouldn't be controversial, I listed nearly a dozen other progressive nations that have banned the practice of "no-stun slaughter"

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Which does not conflict with Islamic practice--stunning being allowed

Hentenza said:

That’s not what the earth looks like.

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It is in God's book.

wing2000 said:

Good for you. You found a way to AVOID addressing the direct quotes of the POTOS. A POTOS who pardens convicted criminals without know who they are.

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Like Biden setting 2,500 convicted criminal drug offenders free - did he know every one of them? Perhaps Hunters friends?

What is it with Democrats pardoning drug offenders - Did Obama know all these?

wing2000 said:

I did not claim otherwise.

Do you support the pardon?

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