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Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 25, 2025

stevevw said:
Hense I broke this down to a simple question regardless of proving they are and just based on looking at them. The first simple step of observation. What do they look like to you. To others.

I just said that others agree they look machined. They even say what looks like circular saw cuts are modern forgeries. So they are acknowledging they look like machining.

You obviously disagree. Do you think somewthing in the traditional methods can produce these machine like marks.

'Hence' you show that you are a fool of a skeptic with an inflated ego.

Just looking at the cut and going "Yeah, that looks like it was done with a modern circular saw to me" is just showing a bias of thinking with modern tech in mind. Just because something looks like A does not mean that it is A, especially when you come in with an obvious bias like you have.

stevevw said:
Then what have we got to compare with lol. Thats how we understand human evolution and cultural development. We go from prehistoric humans like Home Erectus and then Neandathals. They use more primitive tools. We have found them. Then we move to through to the Neolithic era and into more sophisticated living, knowledge and tech.

So we compare the progression and see that perhaps it was not necessarily a case of simple to more sophisticated in terms of how we think of knowledge and tech today. We compare other ways of knowledge with todays knowledge.

So where is the tech then!? I asked this repeatedly on the other thread and you gave no answer for it. If you claim that the Egyptians had more advanced tech than what people claim, then where is the tech? Why do we have no such tools except the various handsaws we know about? Why doesn't a single piece of ancient Egyptian art show anyone using any tool except for the basic ones we know them to use?

SHOW US THE ADVANCED TOOLS YOU CLAIM EXIST. OR SHUT UP.

stevevw · Oct 25, 2025

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
I don't need to look because your images and the absolute abysmal lack of context for them shows that you are a fool of a skeptic.

No, you say they look like machined stone but saying that they are isn't SHOWING that they are.

Hense I broke this down to a simple question regardless of proving they are and just based on looking at them. The first simple step of observation. What do they look like to you. To others.

I just said that others agree they look machined. They even say what looks like circular saw cuts are modern forgeries. So they are acknowledging they look like machining.

You obviously disagree. Do you think somewthing in the traditional methods can produce these machine like marks.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
You are so modern-pilled it's painful! Stop thinking of everything in the 21st century context and try and think like an ancient Egyptian person would. Stop blinding yourself.

Then what have we got to compare with lol. Thats how we understand human evolution and cultural development. We go from prehistoric humans like Home Erectus and then Neandathals. They use more primitive tools. We have found them. Then we move to through to the Neolithic era and into more sophisticated living, knowledge and tech.

So we compare the progression and see that perhaps it was not necessarily a case of simple to more sophisticated in terms of how we think of knowledge and tech today. We compare other ways of knowledge with todays knowledge.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 25, 2025

This still falls back to the same thing from steve's other thread which is the simple question of:

If the Ancients used so much more advanced tools than what they are thought to have used, then where are the tools?

Why do we only have more basic tools that exist in archaeological finds and also in contemporary art?

Why are we forced to only rely on interpretations of sawmarks and cuts as this supposed 'evidence' of more advanced tools and yet not one single person can actually find any of these supposedly advanced tools themselves?

Chesterton · Oct 25, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
Obama was opposed to gay marriage the same way Trump was opposed to Project 2025.

So you're saying...there was a time in Obama's adult life when he had never heard of homosexuality?

BelieveItOarKnot · Oct 25, 2025

Hentenza said:
lol this is from a person that wants me to interpret “destroy” literally only.

Don't know where you got that idea. I have no issues with the destruction of the devil and his messengers

Point remains the "evil eye" is internal and not optional

And everyone who claims it isn't so for them are controlled by the liar

camille70 · Oct 25, 2025

Higher Obamacare Prices Become Public in a Dozen States

Consumers are facing greater costs for their 2026 A.C.A. health coverage as Congress continues to debate whether to extend subsidies that help people afford their premiums.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/17/health/aca-health-insurance-costs.html?unlocked_article_code=1.wE8.8A6b.itmet4WEm_mk&smid=url-share

Based on the newly posted information, a family of four making $130,000 in Maine would face an increase of $16,100 in annual premiums next year because they would no longer qualify for more generous subsidies, said Gideon Lukens, a health policy researcher for the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which supports extending the subsidies.

Older people will also see sharp increases, according to his calculations. In Kentucky, a 60-year-old couple making $85,000 per year could face an increase of $23,700 in annual premiums. In Nevada, a similar couple could pay an additional $18,100 in annual premiums, while in Minnesota, the cost might be $15,500 more and, in Maryland, an additional $13,700.

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Abraham1st · Oct 25, 2025

Mercy Shown said:
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature, for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do, this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

Nobody seems how to be honest in this thread, if they were, would they not address what you brought up here.

All you quoted does not need to be talked about it is self evident.

But now, even as people here quoted as well, let us go onto perfection.

Apostle Paul has found the root of the problem, of evil being present, preventing the good, of a delight in God's law to do good in it, in the inward man, in the minds law, (THOUGHTS AND IDEA TO DO GOOD.) but a law in the members, wars against that and forces captivity to sin in the members.

Apostle Paul calls this being a wretched man, and requiring delivery from the body of that death.

THANKING GOD THROGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD WILL DELIVER US FROM THE BODY OF THAT DEAATH.

Meanwhile, with the mind the law of God is served, and the law of sin with the flesh.

Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The need for a DELIVERANCE was highlighted.

It did not take long to be answered from the end of that last chapters direction, the beginning of the next chapter is a continuation.

THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION. (WHO SHALL DELIVER ME FROM THE BODY OF THIS DEATH.) to them whch are IN CHRIST JESUS.

The law of the Spirit of LIFE in Christ Jesus, has MADE ME FREE, (WHO SHALL DELIVER ME/MAKE ME FREED/ FREE ME, FROM THE BODY OF THIS DEATH.) from the law of SIN and DEATH.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 25, 2025

stevevw said:
Then show me where I said it.

Actually there is information about their context throught this thread. More than ample information. Repeated again and again and again lol. I am more or less reposting the same examples over and over again and with those examples I have put where they are from either under the image. Or have linked the source where they came from. At least 5 times over if not ten.

You are just not looking. Part of the investigation to refute the links is to first look at the links. If you don't do that then you will be ignorant of the source.

This has also already been done. I have gone through this as well if you go back and look. For example we spent a while on comparing the predyanstic precision vases with hand made vases as well as modern CNC vases. This was already done in the tests linked. Admittedly we could do more. I remember going through the difference in strirations between a tube drills and other methods of drilling.

But for some of these signatures we don't need to compare. They directly look like machining full stop. When you get an arc in the cut and a lip thinner than the width of a copper saw. You can tell immediately that a straight edged 5mm copper saw could not ever produce this. Theres no way to rationalise it into being possible.

Or are you making it that way. How exactly is it trolling. As we have seen by the reactions this is a controversial issue with divided opinion. Both sides should be able to give their views and not be dismissed as conspiracy.

From the very get go some made this about conspiracy before we even got into detail. Who is zooming who.

I don't need to look because your images and the absolute abysmal lack of context for them shows that you are a fool of a skeptic.

No, you say they look like machined stone but saying that they are isn't SHOWING that they are.

You are so modern-pilled it's painful! Stop thinking of everything in the 21st century context and try and think like an ancient Egyptian person would. Stop blinding yourself.

stevevw · Oct 25, 2025

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
It's not a false representation when that is 100% what you are saying.

Then show me where I said it.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
You post pictures of random bits of masoned stone, with no information or context about them,

Actually there is information about their context throught this thread. More than ample information. Repeated again and again and again lol. I am more or less reposting the same examples over and over again and with those examples I have put where they are from either under the image. Or have linked the source where they came from. At least 5 times over if not ten.

You are just not looking. Part of the investigation to refute the links is to first look at the links. If you don't do that then you will be ignorant of the source.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
and then you go on about witness marks and cuttings which you don't show by comparing them to other pieces of masoned stone.

This has also already been done. I have gone through this as well if you go back and look. For example we spent a while on comparing the predyanstic precision vases with hand made vases as well as modern CNC vases. This was already done in the tests linked. Admittedly we could do more. I remember going through the difference in strirations between a tube drills and other methods of drilling.

But for some of these signatures we don't need to compare. They directly look like machining full stop. When you get an arc in the cut and a lip thinner than the width of a copper saw. You can tell immediately that a straight edged 5mm copper saw could not ever produce this. Theres no way to rationalise it into being possible.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
It comes across as disingenuous and trolling.

Or are you making it that way. How exactly is it trolling. As we have seen by the reactions this is a controversial issue with divided opinion. Both sides should be able to give their views and not be dismissed as conspiracy.

From the very get go some made this about conspiracy before we even got into detail. Who is zooming who. Nothing I have said is wrong. It has been said by many others. I am just persisting with that view and others disagree. But its not trolling. Its a serious proposal that many have put forward.

BelieveItOarKnot · Oct 25, 2025

Dan Perez said:
So that means sin has no DOMINION over a GRACE BELIEVER , PERIOD

Oh but you see my friend IF we fall headlong into the trap of lying hypocrisy, claiming we have, present tense, no sin, THEN sin has dominion

The hard line fact remains that we ALL engage the tempter (or his own) internally

We can't claim dominion over something we claim not to have. Such have dominion over nothing

Dan Perez said:
# B BUT those under the law are NOT SAVED as the Law that Israel has been SET ASIDE in Acts 28:25-28.

You might learn too see both parties in the equation. And not be so quick to write off people.

Abraham1st · Oct 25, 2025

Mercy Shown said:
Yes, it is the same with us. Whenever we need to repent, it is because we have failed to do what God wants us to do. God does not want us to have even a single impure thought or selfish motive, yet in our fallen nature that is impossible. Scripture teaches that if someone claims to be without sin, they are a liar and the truth is not in them.

Scripture does not teach us what you just said.

Scripture first begins with a witness from Christ, that the men of Israel are of their father the devil and that they will do the lusts (SINS) of their father, that their father who they are of, ABIDES NOT IN THE TRUTH, because there is NO TRUTH IN HIM. He speaks his own which is a LIE, for he is a LIAR, and the FATHER OF IT.

Jesus witnesses this to the men of Israel, BECAUSE HE TELLS THEM THE TRUTH, they DO NOT BELIEVE HIM.

That he that is of God, HEARS GODS WORDS, they THEREFORE hear them NOT, because they are NOT OF GOD.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Jesus tells His apostles when the SPIRIT OF TRUTH is come, He will guide them INTO ALL TRUTH, as He will not speak of Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear.

If anyone says they have no sin, they DECEIVE THEMSELVES, and the TRUTH IS NOT IN THEM. (A LIE IS IN THEM.)

Then those SAME ONES who say they know Jesus (WHO IS THE TRUTH IN US.) and do not keep HIs commandments are a LIAR. (OF THEIR FATHER THE DEVIL.) and the TRUTH IS NOT IN THEM.)

But the ANOINTING which we received ABIDES IN US, we do not need ANY MAN TO TEACH US, but the same ANOINTING, TEACHES US ALL THINGS, and is TRUTH, and is NO LIE, and even as IT HAS TAUGHT US, we shall ABIDE IN HIM.

HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL, FOR THE DEVIL SINNED FROM THE BEGINNING, THE SON OF GOD WAS MANIFSTED TO DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL. (LIES, SINS.)

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Mercy Shown said:
It is this deficit in us that will drive us as it did David to repentance and growth.

Repentance is this way:

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Christsfreeservant · Oct 25, 2025

“Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them; for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light (for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them.” (Ephesians 5:6-11 NASB1995)

“These things” mentioned here refer to immorality, impurity, greed, filthy language, covetousness, idolatry, and vulgar and crude jesting which is sexual or obscene and/or which is rude or disrespectful in nature (vv. 3-5). Because of things such as these (and more) the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience, meaning all who are living in sin and in walks of disobedience to our Lord regardless of whether or not they give lip service to Jesus Christ as Lord and as Savior of their lives. Let no one deceive you!

Therefore, we are not to be partakers with the sons of disobedience who are living immoral lives in direct defiance to our Lord and to his commands. We are not to allow ourselves to be deceived by those who are teaching that a mere verbal confession of Christ as Lord is enough to get us saved from our sins and on our way to heaven and/or that God makes no such requirements as those which teach us that death to sin and walks of obedience to our Lord are critical elements of faith which saves and which promises eternal life.

For, if truly our faith in Jesus Christ is biblical faith which saves, it means that formerly we walked in darkness (in sin) but now we are to be walking as children of Light in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in all truth and goodness and righteousness. Now we are to be trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord, and then be doing what pleases him, in his power, wisdom, and strength. And instead of us participating in the unfruitful deeds of darkness (sin), we are to be those who are exposing these evil deeds.

For, not only should we be living the truth of God’s word and of his gospel message, but we should also be those who are speaking the truth of the gospel to other people. And, in addition to that, we must also be exposing all that is of Satan, and all that God regards as sinful practices, and we are to expose the lies of the enemy which so many people are teaching today as the truth, and thus they are deceiving many people into believing that God does not require of them that they die to sin and obey God’s commands.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

So don’t buy into the lies which may be telling you that all your sins are forgiven and you are now on your way to heaven regardless of whether or not you obey our Lord’s commands and that you put sin to death in your life, by the Spirit. And this is not saying that you must live an absolutely sinless life or you are cut off from God entirely (see 1 John 2:1-2). But the Scriptures do teach that if sin is our practice, and not obedience to our Lord’s commands, that we will not inherit eternal life with God. Believe it!

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

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Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 25, 2025

stevevw said:
Which suggests.

That it was freshly cut into a new piece of stone.

This is why I keep going on about context.

stevevw · Oct 25, 2025

Stopped_lurking said:
The zoomed in part, it looks like it have multiple striations.

Yes, so what does that mean.

Stopped_lurking said:
That it hasn't been exposed to the elements as long as the rest of the surfaces of the stone.

Which suggests.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 25, 2025

stevevw said:
Well when you create false representations of what I am saying then of course your going to object lol. But what your saying is not what I am doing.

I will say it once again. Like you and like everyone else in this thread who are looking at the signatures which I like to call witness marks because they are a witness like a witness at a trial who is speaking out.

Thats all I am doing is highlighting those out of place signatures. You say everyone is saying its conspiracy and yet some have agreed with me that these witness marks look like machining and must be forgeries.

So at least for some I am not wrong as far as observations go. The first step in science is to observe the objective reality of what appears before your eyes. If you can't do that then there is no use in doing anything.

How is it a massive leap to go from using my eyes to see the witness marks and then saying they don;t look like the traditional methods but more like the witness marks of machining. I am not saying it is machining with modern machines. But looks like machining. How is this a leap.

Its a simple observation of what I see before my eyes. What do you want me to do. Pretend they are not there.

At least say they look like maching and then make your claim that they must have somehow done it traditionally. But don;t pretend they don;t look like what they look like lol.

It's not a false representation when that is 100% what you are saying.

You post pictures of random bits of masoned stone, with no information or context about them, and then you go on about witness marks and cuttings which you don't show by comparing them to other pieces of masoned stone.

It comes across as disingenuous and trolling.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Oct 25, 2025

stevevw said:
I have walked you through step by step. I asked you a simple question and you still cannot answer it. Forget about the experts. Just answer a simple question. What do the signatures in the image look like to you.

You can't answer can you.

I have given my answer you fool! Post #868:

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. All you're showing is a cut piece of stone, that's it.
Context matters.

You keep putting up pictures of stones, with zero context of where they're from in the world, who found them and when and give zero information about them at all.

At this point, you come off less as a skeptic and more of a troll.

Abraham1st · Oct 25, 2025

Fervent said:
Holy isn't what we do, it's what we are. Which is set aside for a purpose. The idea isn't to be meticulous navel gazers picking apart our every sin, but to abide in Jesus. We are holy because He abides in us. It is only by His presence that we will be transformed to conform to His image and be delivered from sin.

Mercy Shown: Do you have evidence that they were Holy as God is Holy?

Wouldn't it be nice and ever so convenient to consider it like this way, that we WILL BE conformed to the image of His Son, for justification and to be glorified.

That's a nice half of a coin.

Now the remaining balance to be PAID IN FULL.

Apostle Paul just a mere four chapters after Romans 8, BESEECHED us by those SAME MERCIES of God, that WE present our bodies a living SACRIFICE, HOLY, ACCEPTABLE, unto God, which is our REASONABLE SERRVICE.

THIS IS THE DIVIDING LINE, and be NOT CONFORMED TO THIS WORLD, but be you TRANSFORMED BY THE RENEWING OF YOUR MIND, that you may PROVE, what is that GOOD and ACCEPTABLE and PERFECT will of God.

Apostle Paul says to EVERY MAN THAT IS AMONG THEM, not to think of himself MORE HIGHLY THAN HE SHOULD THNK, but to THINK SOBERLY, according to the faith deal to every man.

Romans 8:28 And we know that ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Romans 12:1 I BESEECH YOU THEREFORE, BRETHREN, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that yYE MAY PROVE WHAT IS THAT GOOD, and acceptable, and PERFECT, will of God.
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

BESEECHED AND THINKING SOBERLY.

WHATS NEXT.

Love has to be without concealment, through coming out into the light we are to then: ABHOR THAT WHICH IS EVIL, CLEAVING TO THAT WWHICH IS GOOD.

To be in kindness, brotherly love, honouring the other, not yourself.

Not lazy, but FERVENT IN SPIRIT, SERVING.

To rejoice in HOPE, to be PATIENT, in tribulation, to continue instant in PRAYER.

To DISTRIBUTE to necessities, giving HOSPITALITY.

To NOT MIND HIGH THINGS, but to descend to LOW ESTATE. To NOT BE WISE IN YOUR OWN CONCEITS.

To NOT RECOMPENSE EVIL.

Provide HONESTLY.

Live PEACABLY.

Romans 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Aaron112 · Oct 25, 2025

AV1611VET said:
We see this during the Egyptian Captivity, where Hebrew children were being born so fast, the Egyptian midwives -- (commanded to kill any Hebrew male child born) -- couldn't keep up.

oops, no.

Neogaia777 · Oct 25, 2025

fhansen said:
No matter how one wishes to cut it, or how we state the matter, without good fruit that results from our continuing connection to the Vine, there’s no salvation as per John 15. And that includes the overcoming of sin. So, for example:

“To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.” Rom 2:7

“Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of Godare the children of God.” Rom 8:12-14

Truly just judgement might not be as simple as you're trying to make it out to be, and anybody with a half a brain/reasoning mind should already be able to know/fully discern that already, etc.

You may think it's always about others always trying to justify their inability to stop sinning 100% completely, or perfectly, but it isn't always, etc, and most certainly is not in my own case specifically, but is only about truly just judgement only, etc.

And in any truly just judgement, there are a lot (and many) factors that always need to be fully considered/factored in that are always beyond human knowledge/knowing, etc.

My conclusion is that there might be some things that God will hold against us or might hold us accountable for maybe, but also that He cannot judge us all by the standard of 100% absolute perfection either probably, etc, and that truly just judgement is always somewhere in-between each individually, or for every individual being, and that might not seem completely equal or fair or right or just to a lot of us initially, or at the start maybe, but that God at the judgement will show to us all 100% perfectly/completely, and until then we can't fully know it yet 100% fully/completely, or even anywhere close to that probably, is what I believe, etc.

God Bless.

Larniavc · Oct 25, 2025

JosephZ said:
White House begins demolishing East Wing facade to build Trump’s ballroom

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Demolition crews have begun tearing down part of the White House to build President Donald Trump’s long-desired ballroom despite his pledge that construction of the $250 million addition wouldn’t “interfere” with the existing building.

Construction teams Monday were demolishing a portion of the East Wing, with a backhoe ripping through the structure, according to a photo shared with The Washington Post and two people who witnessed the activity and spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe it.

“It won’t interfere with the current building. It won’t be. It’ll be near it but not touching it — and pays total respect to the existing building, which I’m the biggest fan of," Trump said during an executive order signing in July.

I mean yeah; Trump is crass and gaudy but this is simply another indicator of how much an amusement park America has become.

Larniavc · Oct 25, 2025

David Hine7 said:
It's the old system, and is compatible with the way God does maths.

But not mathematicians, right?

Larniavc · Oct 25, 2025

David Hine7 said:
Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc. God did it!!!

This short work supports the universe was Created by God. The Hubble Constant, Ho, (universe expansion) is central to Creation.
The equations here are HATED by secular science, BECAUSE they support that God Created the universe and the maths framework that controls it:-

My name is David Hine, and here is an interesting Hubble Constant equation that "fixes" Ho to local light speed, C.

Ho is now "fixed" to local light speed, C by this simple Ho equation worked in the old algebra style of Maxwell:-

2 x oneMpc x C, divided by Pi to the power of 21 = 70.9449 k/s/Mpc

In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMPC is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Pi is 3.142..........

Astronomers measuring Ho give the "ballpark" values of Ho, and now we have an Ho equation that "fixes" Ho to
local light speed, C, which has to be much more precise.

Note:- In the numerator, distance (Mpc) is multiplied by speed (k/s), and that is NOT an error in this situation, as the "distance squared" does not affect the numerical value of the Ho redshift by
"spreading out" (as any light source does) when viewing that redshift for Ho along just
one dimension only.

The dimensionless denominator Pi^21 sets the scales of this Ho equation correctly into the Dynamic Aether framework.
The Dynamic Aether Framework is not the static aether that the Michleson-Morley experiment could not detect, but
the Dynamic Aether that Faraday knew caused electrical "reluctance", and that Maxwell used as the basis for his
electric and magnetic "inertia" constants, and used in his Aether equations to calculate light speed. C..

With very kind regards, David Hine.

Email:- dhine2999@yahoo.com

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Hubble Constant (Ho) Hubble Horizon Distance light years calculated from Ho of 70.9449 k/s/Mpc.

oneMpc X C, divided by Ho, and then divided by one billion = 13.7758 billion light Years

In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMpc is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Ho is 70.9449 k/s/Mpc

one billion is 1,000,000,000 used to give the answer in convenient units of
billions of light years.

Note:- This Hubble Horizon Distance equation prevents falsifying the terminology of
declaring light years as years only.

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The "Hubble Tension Issue"

Note:- In the "Dynamic Aether Framework" of the Ho calculating equation in which Ho is "fixed" numerically to C,
the "Hubble Tension issue" is caused by the "DISTANT LOCAL VALUE" of C in the observed space regions being
directly affected by the presence of huge galaxies, black holes. or void areas, RELATIVE to the observer.

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My shoe fits my foot! Godidit!

Dan1988 · Oct 25, 2025

Valletta said:
The Bible is clear as to how we are saved:

Peter 3:20-21 who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. RSVCE

I don't know which Bible you study, but my Bible doesn't say any such thing. It actually confirms that "we are saved by grace" that's very different I know, so we will have to disagree

David Lamb · Oct 25, 2025

Dikaioumenoi said:
The Greek text reads: αὐτὸς γὰρ σώσει τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ ἀπὸ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν αὐτῶν.

The emphatic αὐτὸς ("he himself") and the future indicative σώσει ("will save") describe a certain, effectual act: He will save, not He will try to save, or offer salvation. This is a declarative promise: Jesus will accomplish this on behalf of "His people." The phrase τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ ("his people") is possessive and definite.

Who exactly are His people? If it means all humanity, then why isn't all humanity saved? But if it refers to the elect, then the angel's promise stands precisely fulfilled.

How do you interpret τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ?

I would say that "His people" refers to those elsewhere called His sheep, those whom the Father draws, from all nations.

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