Servus said:

So even while on vacation he probably still puts in a lot of work hours.

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This is true for every president.

Servus said:

And all for free since he doesn't take a salary.

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Yeah, instead in his first term, he just let a bunch of foreign dignitaries stay at his DC hotel to curry favor and in his second term, is using his likeness to sell merch and cryptoscamps.

Are there any objections to us all being friends?

Lost Witness said:

The mark isn't going to be external at all.
I mean....one man dies and goes to be with the Lord..
The other dies and goes into everlasting punishment.
The system hasn't changed.

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Just letting you know, the thread you are responding to is in the Eastern Orthodox subforum. You are welcome to post in fellowship and ask questions, but as with all the congregational subforums you are not allowed to post anything contrary to the teaching of that particular congregation.
I'm not saying you've done that, just be aware of where the thread originated before responding.

keras said:

The 10 Northern tribes of the House of Israel, are now the Western nations and their identity can be established by how each tribe has received the blessings as Prophesied by Jacob and Moses.
They are the Chrisian peoples, who generally abide by Gods Commandments and our presence in the world has been and still is, a calming and peaceful influence.
That we fight each other sometimes, is a sad reflection on us and shows hao successful Satan is - if allowed to be.

WE are the peoples that Jesus came to save, Matthew 15:24, and we do display the proper fruit of the Spirit; Matthew 21:43

Since Jesus came, the entire New Testament teaches that DNA has no value, Salvation is entirely dependant on individual acceptance of Jesus and His Commandments.

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Not being disrespectful here, but please consider what I am about to tell you. I think you are sincere in your beliefs, but you can be sincerely wrong. That's not say other refutations against you here are not wrong - most of them are. They are just as confused as you are.
The so-called "lost" northern tribes of Israel are often confused with the TRUE lost sheep of Israel. The true lost sheep are NOT you nor the Western nations. If you don't know who those people truly are, then you're just one of the unregenerate in this world who THINKS they're one of the lost sheep.

I'm not going to explain or reveal anything to you as this is not my calling - only God reveals and teaches. But what I will share is found in Luke 15:1-7, The parable of the lost sheep. If you really understand what this parable is saying, then you'll find out that your statement about the Western nations being the remnant of the lost tribes of Israel, to be untenable.

In Matthew 15:24, Jesus states, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Jesus also says that "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost" in Matthew 18:11, John also states that "He came unto his own, and his own received him not." It's important to understand that coming to someone is not the same as being to sent to someone. There is difference. Knowing this truth helps unlock the meaning of the parable of the lost sheep and who those sheep actually are. If you find what I'm saying to be dis-jointed and hard to follow, it is - to the carnal mind. If your are honest with yourself, I implore you to seek God out for the truth on this matter.

Also seriously consider what you said: "Since Jesus came, the entire New Testament teaches that DNA has no value, Salvation is entirely dependant on individual acceptance of Jesus and His Commandments." Western nations do have a purpose, but it's not to be the lost sheep of the house of Israel!

All the best in Christ.

SabbathBlessings said:

I can’t help but wonder how God feels about this argument, He actually tells us Eze22:26. The God of Creation, blessed, sanctified and made holy the seventh day Sabbath from Creation part of God’s perfect plan before sin Gen 2:1-3, Exo 20:11 He codified the Ten Commandments written by God, not man, Exo 31:18 He asked us to Remember the Sabbath day because He knew man would forget Exo 20:8-11, God kept the Sabbath Exo 20:11 Gen2:1-3, Jesus who is God kept the Sabbath Luke4:16, as it is the Holy Day of the Lord Isa 58:13 He said it is a sign between God and man Eze 20:20, a sign of His sanctification Eze 20:12 meant to be a blessing Isa 56:2 made for man Mark2:27 And everyone who loves Him and wants to join themselves to Him Isa 56:6 and tells us in the 4th commandment, who the God is of the other 9 commandments Exo20:11. Man comes along and says thats not good enough, makes one do backflips over the Scriptures, yet will keep Sunday holy when there is zero Scripture, not a commandment, of God unlike the Sabbath, not the day that God sanctified unlike the Sabbath. It’s truly nonsensical.

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And yet you can’t provide a verse pre Moses that shows that the sabbath was being observed or a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to observe the 4th commandment. I keep asking you for these verses. It should be simple for you to post them since you believe that the 4th commandment is a moral commandment and those that don't observe it are sinning and in danger of loosing their salvation. Don’t you see the nonesense of your argument? Do you honestly think that God is going to sen believers to hell because they worshipped Him on the wrong day? Legalism much?

rambot said:

A quote from Chuck Kirk.


Now I look at this quote and I get seriously confused. I cannot understand why a person would have a problem with empathy.

How would the Good Samaritan Help someone that thinks their terrible without it?

How can Jesus heal someone without it?

In my view, empathy connects us and allow people sympathy to flow more greatly. It creates stronger bonds between strangers.

So help me understand how and WHY empathy is bad.

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Because its an unqualified word that could mean different things. Its a subjective attempt to describe a natural human sense that as humans we can know what it is like to be a human. More a conscious awareness than any particular word meaning. Empathy seems to best capture this sense and knowledge.

I think it may relate to the idea that we are made in Gods image. Unlike other creatures where perhaps only the emotional aspect is displayed. Humans go deeper than that. We are spiritual and by extenstion moral beings. We are born with a sense of empathy. Studies done show babies can destinguish the cry of another baby in distress.

But I think unqualified empathy. That is not grounded in something outside human emotion and rationalisations can be distorted. As humans we can rationalise all sorts of reasons why some deserve more empathy than others. But empathy in Christ is grounded in the radical idea that your putting yourself below others for the sake of a greater good that is beyond human ideas.

Delvianna said:

Genesis 2:2-3:

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Doesnt work. God recognized the day but did not required it until the tablets of stone. Remember that there were no scriptures until Moses wrote the Torah around the 15 century BCE.

Delvianna said:

Exodus 16:29 This was BEFORE mt sinai

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The Lord said to Moses. God was telling Moses what was yet to come. Is there any verses that show thst people kept the sabbath before Moses?

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John 14:15

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Which commandments? The law or the two commandments that Jesus gave the church?

Delvianna said:

Jesus Didn't abolish the sabbath.
Mark 2:27-28

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Jesus fulfilled (completed) the law. Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath and He is now our sabbath rest (Heb. 4). There are NO post crucifixion verses that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment. A

Delvianna said:

How can Jesus be Lord of the Sabbath if we aren't supposed to follow it anymore?

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‘Because Jesus came to FIRST preach to the Jews so He went to the temple to worship on the Jewish sabbath. Also, and probably more important, Jesus fulfilled the law perfectly which means the He kept EVERY law perfectly including the 4th commandment.

Delvianna said:

Or why would God abolish it when it was made FOR us.

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Not abolished but fulfilled (completed). The terms of the first covenant, like a contract, do not apply to the new covenant unless they are specified. Jesus quoted 9 of the ten commandments while talking about His two commandments but He never talked about the 4th commandment as being summarized in the two love commandments.

Delvianna said:

So because it was a command to keep the Sabbath holy, that command then would never cease. It was around before Moses and the 10 commandments and Jesus is still Lord of the Sabbath today and as he said, if you love him... keep his commandments.

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Keep His two commandments not the 613 laws of the Jewish law which included the 10 commandments. Tell me, are the vast majority of Christians that worship on Sunday living in sin? Are the vast majority of Christians that worship on Sunday and do not repent for breaking the 4th commandment living in sin and therefore in danger of not being saved?

DragonFox91 said:

He does not come w/ a pitchfork & devil horns but w/ a loving smile & sweet-talk

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So true That will be his MO. As Paul states he's transformed (disguised in the Greek) as an angel of light...

• 2024/25 Outlook: As of September 2025, early sales are strong (e.g., ~371,000 metric tons booked to Mexico), but full-year projections are not yet finalized. USDA forecasts global demand growth, potentially supporting US exports.

Data sourced from USDA Economic Research Service and Foreign Agricultural Service reports.

Hvizsgyak said:

What if these false Jesus' arrive the same way Jesus said He would return?

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I believe Satan and his will try and mimic the return of Christ in some way. That's why Paul states one must have the full gospel armor on and in place to fight the wiles of the devil. Whoever is here during that time must be able to stand during that "evil day". Christ tells us he comes at an hour most do not expect. That's why knowing the timing is so important. We don't know the day or hour but Christ lays out the signs and Paul is another witness to what must happen before our gathering back together.

And in 1st Thes we are told people will be stating peace and safety and then bam, destruction, the true Christ returns. We have to be on watch and not fall away to the fake. And we have to heed the warnings by both Christ and Paul on not to be deceived by any means. There's a reason the foolish virgins don't make it even though they were waiting and there's a reason that Christ turns people away that stated they did things in his name. So we have to be careful and know the fake comes first. It's very important. Apostasy and the man of sin will arrive first and proclaim to be God. And will show wonders that will have the entire world follow after him.

We have to stay on watch and when the real Christ returns there will be no doubt at all. And like some say, pinch yourself. If you're still in a physical body, Christ has not returned. In that twinkling of an eye, all are changed.

bling said:

The verse is not saying: "Believing in Jesus which comes from being born again", precedes the "faith/trust" needed for salvation.

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Do you mean the verse teaches the opposite order -- that faith precedes and causes being born of God? If so, what do you do with γεγέννηται? Why prefer a causal reading over the present-participle + prefect construction I outlined?

I have more to say on your other comments, but I'll refrain from now as I don't want the discussion to become unfocused. Let's start with the grammatical point I raised.

Richard T said:

Wondering if Trump only loves certain Americans? That if you oppose him he wants to purge you to the fullest extent of his powers. Here he shows that he opposes free speech.

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He made this clear in his first term and is going all out to enforce it in his second. He is only President of those who support him and all other can go to…

Chesterton said:

Some demolition to the compound, duh. Reading comprehension is not rocket science.

Do you live with this hatred in your heart 24/7/365, or do you just have bad days sometimes?

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I don't like it when people lie. I understand that politicians 'avoid the truth' sometimes. And tend to bend it a little on ocassions. But Trump doesn't do that. And you know that as well as do. He treats us like morons. He lies as naturally as he breathes. He simply can't be trusted. Now if he was the guy who ran the local pub or someone in a local council position then I could care less. But he isn't, is he.

And you should care a lot more than youn seem to. I don't understand why you don't.

Hentenza said:

““For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the Lord of armies, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branches.”
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Setting ablaze does not specify fully consumed.

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You must be joking. Even your translation spells it out. Setting ablaze and let's continue -"so that it will leave them neither root or branches. There's nothing left. Do you really have to have it spelled out for you? They will be resorted to nothing but ashes. That's what a fire does.

We are told time and time again, it's life or death. And this verse tells us without a doubt it's death. It's not life. Both body and soul destroyed in hell. That's eternal punishment, that's eternal destruction. That's the second death. There's not two books of life, one for heaven and one for hell. There's one book of life.

Hentenza said:

“And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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Again, I only see one side getting everlasting life in that verse.

PloverWing said:

So Christians disagree about which actions and which categories of people are sinful, and the moderators have asked us not to have this particular fight in their building.

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I understand this. But I thought that was about the fine detail that was not about actual sin. If a church claims to be Christian and then has devil worship are we not allowed to say its wrong because they claim to be a Christian denomination lol.

Paul called out the sin in the church. Its more or less denying Christs truth in the church and cultivating a climate where sin can thrive lol. I appreciate that in a world that has become relative that we have to be open to all views.

But then even the title that one Christian group is blasting another for defiance of the bible seems to invite debate on disputing certain Christian denominations within Christianity and the church. But anyway.

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If I ever make it to Australia, maybe we can go out for coffee and have a chat.

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Yes of course. I live in sunny Queensland. You will love it. Not far well is far even though the Barrier Reef and Kakadu are within Queensland. Its still a 1,000 ks away lol. But we have beautiful coasts all the way up.

Even my hometown of Redcliffe which is about 30k from Brisband city is on the coast with an island on its doorstep which is virtually uninhabited. It would take 45 minutes by barge or 20 with a decent boat and its like you are in the wilderness far, far away from everything.

FYI the island is called Morton Island. This is a sand Island from sandstone washed from ancient cliffs just north of Sydney. The sand travels up the coast and formed sand Islands. Stradbroke Nth and Sth are the first formed then Morton, Then Bribie up the coast and then Frazer Island which is world famous with the dingos and ancient rainforests.

Then the sand forms a waterfall of sand that is despersed into the ocean. Then you start to get the beginning of the Great Barrier reef which travels up along the coast towards the top. But above that the top point of Qld is virtually wilderness, nothing but rainforests and bushlands. Oh and the Islands go all the way up and get more tropical. Thats where all the famous resorts are.

Have I sold you lol. I forgot, we are the world capital for the coffee shop set lol. We love our coffee shops.

Bradskii said:

9 things to know about the $250 million ballroom Trump is adding to the White House

The 90,000-square-foot ballroom will dwarf the main White House itself, at nearly double the size, and Trump says it will accommodate 999 people.

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'The White House said some demolition was needed because the East Wing, the traditional home for the first lady and her staff, is being modernized as part of the ballroom project.'

Let's face it. That's complete bulldust. How does 'some demolition' and 'being modernized as part of the ballroom project' equate to 'totally demolish'?

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Some demolition to the compound, duh. Reading comprehension is not rocket science.

Bradskii said:

He lied.

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Do you live with this hatred in your heart 24/7/365, or do you just have bad days sometimes?

bèlla said:

Elitists tend to associate only with people who share their status, interests, or background.

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By that definition, the vast majority of people are elitists.

ViaCrucis said:

Were you hoping to find a bunch of leftists wanting to defend Hamas? Sorry to disappoint.

We actually believe in human dignity. Unlike Hamas, Israel, or MAGA.

-CryptoLutheran

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I guess humans dignity does not include those being dragged into the street and shot in the back of the head in full view of the public by Hamas, right? I am yet to see one of your posts condemning them.

Chesterton said:

Try reading all of what I posted. The initial press release about this in July said they were going to REPLACE the east wing. Do you not know what REPLACE means?

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'The White House said some demolition was needed because the East Wing, the traditional home for the first lady and her staff, is being modernized as part of the ballroom project.'

Let's face it. That's complete bulldust. How does 'some demolition' and 'being modernized as part of the ballroom project' equate to 'totally demolish'?

He lied.

Dikaioumenoi said:

1 John 5:1a reads:

πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων ὅτι Ἰησοῦς ἐστὶν ὁ Χριστός, ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ γεγέννηται
("Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God")

A few grammatical observations:

First, ὁ πιστεύων is a present active participle functioning substantively: "the one who is believing." The participle presents the subject, and describes a present, ongoing activity rather than a completed act of faith.

Second, γεγέννηται, the main verb of the clause, is a perfect passive indicative: "has been begotten" or "has been born [of God]." The perfect tense is more than just a "past" tense. Its aspectual function specifically points to a completed action in the past whose effects continue into the present.

When the two forms are set in relation to each other, especially with the present participle functioning substantively -- that is, as the subject of the main verb -- the natural sense is that the person who now believes does so as one who has already been born of God. The grammar, therefore, suggests a logical ordering in which the new birth precedes the act of believing.

This does not, of course, deny the simultaneous experience of these realities in human perception, but grammatically the text places regeneration as the root (the logical grounds) and believing as its fruit.

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You quoted: "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God"
The verse is not saying: "Believing in Jesus which comes from being born again", precedes the "faith/trust" needed for salvation.
If you could come believing in Jesus, you would have done something righteous, Holy, worthy, honorable and glorious, but the person coming can do none of that.
Believing in Jesus comes along with many huge gifts God showers on the believer (eternal live, Godly type Love, the indwelling Holy Spirit, fellowship, a Family and so on.
The "believer" comes like the prodigal son just turning from a hell bound life to maybe some kind of livable life, for the selfish (thus sinful) motive of wanting to live on even though he fully deserves to starve to death in a pigsty.
So, the faith/trust the sinner has is not yet in a glorious salvation, but the sinner has wimped out, given up on self and surrendered to his enemy. He trust and hopes in an undeserved Love.

Hans Blaster said:

It does work out to 71 in units of ly km/s, but it is still meaningless.

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There should be at least some sort of consistency in doing the calculations km (km/s) looks less ridiculous than ly (km/s).
(Nothing beats π²¹ however).

Where are all the Pro Palestinian protestors marching in the streets against the brutal executions in the streets of Palestinians.

Hyocrites. They are like the Pharisees. All virtual signaling on the outside but full of hate and corruption on the inside.

They only wanted to protest because they hate Isreal. Nothing about freeing Palestine. If they did they would be protesting and exposing the true threat which is Hamas. Protesting against Hamas. Thats the weird thing. Not one protest against the actualy evil of Hamas ever. Even before Oct 7th when Hamas was denying human rights. No one protest. Just deathly silence.

Jipsah said:

Well, no. You're seriously going to have to learn how these things work. He simply contrasted the positions of loving one's nighbot as opposed to torturing them forever. Diametric opposites.

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No it is an emotional fallacy that people that espouse heretical doctrine use to guilt others into believing it. God is just a horrible God if there is eternal punishment. Typical.

Jipsah said:

Sorry matey, but "Prove it ain't!" doesn't work. It's not contigent on anyone to prove that the earth isn't flat, or that whales don't speak French at the bottom of the sea. You have the burden of proving your salient points. Otherwise I'm going to require you to address me as "Your Majesty" until you can prove that I'm not Rightwise KIng of All England.

Not arguing the existence of hell, or at least I'm not. "Fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell". Try not to wander away.

And you clamor in favor of an invented version of eternal punishment that can't be supported by Scripture.

Really? How?

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Because the adversary deceives those that argue emotional fallacies. Nothing wrong with God’s plan unless you argue that His plan is insufficient or defective. The FACT of eternal punishment IS all over scripture.