Apple Sky said:

I reckon John 21:25 says it all & Jesus did travel to Britain with his uncle 'Joseph of Arimathea.

Joseph of Arimathea, a secret disciple of Jesus who buried his body after the crucifixion, was a metal merchant who frequently traveled to Cornwall to acquire tin accompanied by his great-nephew, Jesus.

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Where does the bible say that Joseph of Arimathea was an uncle of Jesus? That Joseph of Arimathea was a metal merchant who frequently travelled to Cornwall to acquire tin? Also, John 21:25 doesn't say that Joseph of Arimathea did many other things that are not written in this book.

Strong in Him said:

You're making a judgement again - you don't know all the "big wigs".
And as for getting their positions of high power, have you never heard of hard work and using the gifts that God gave to them? That is true even if they aren't Christians. Everything was made by God - therefore, their talents, skills and capacity for hard work were too.

So Buzz Aldrin may have once been a Freemason? Obviously that means that he always was - and everybody else in NASA was too.

The truth is that you don't know - you said it yourself.
You don't know the "big wigs" at NASA. You don't know their faith, you don't know their characters and if they regularly tell lies.
You believe they do - because your own beliefs will not allow you to think otherwise. You can't be wrong, so everyone else - thousands/millions of them - are lying.
Your conspiracy theory beliefs have made you into the kind of person who mistrusts everyone and thinks the worst of them - even calling children of God, liars and Freemasons. Your conspiracy theory beliefs have led you to mock others and contradict yourself.

And the moon landings aren't controversial; but fact.
They happened, more than once, and we continue to explore space. You don't believe that, but that's irrelevant to the truth.
These events are over 50 years old - deal with it.

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Now when thinking upon now over 50 years old . Strong in him you say deal with it. How can we deal with it. More so when we have an absent of silence for over 50 years. These are my thoughts. 1 Even back in 1960 it was NASAs intention to build a moon base on the moon. Now considering that 4 Apollo manned flights landed on the moon got through the Van Ellen’s belt, than it should have been no problem to establish a moon base as a stepping stone for further space exploration. But 65 years that has never happened. The decades have come and gone and about the only thing to even come close was a old time tv serial called space 1999 of which I did very enjoy much discovering on u tube 2 And considering that no human manned flight has returned to the moon since the early 70’s over 50 yrs. They say because they lost all the technology and equipment and even all the data along with the original NASA footage of the moon landings . Strong in him you only be dealing with one of humanity’s greatest accomplishments and should been have been guarded like Fort Knox. 3 when the Wright brothers discovered flight our technology in flight increased it never went backwards it increased immensely. Yet with moon flights our knowledge went backwards and we have increased in technology 10 fold since the Apollo missions . Yet we cant seem to replicate what is now very antique technology and do far better. That says to me something is very wrong and why I believe no human has ever landed on the moon. Those be my thoughts. And if the astronauts of the Apollo missions had no problems wizzing through the Van Ellen than we should no problem either. But it’s been over 50 yrs. And all we hear is about the problem of radiation and it’s postponement after postponement in sending anyone back to the moon .. I guess we will all have to wait until 2027 to see what the Artemus expedition brings forth . Kathleen

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You're saying that NASA = Satan?
Rubbish.

Apple Sky said:

What about William's Blake hymn 'Jerusalem' ? This says it all.

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People write words about all sorts of imagined things. There are all sorts of Christmas carols that say completely unbiblical things, like Jesus being an apple tree, and these words from the carol "Joseph was an Old Man": "Then out spoke baby Jesus, from his mother's womb "Mary shall have cherries and Joseph shall have none"" The fact that Blake wrote a song asking the question, "And did those feet in ancient time walk upon England's mountains green, and was the holy Lamb of God on England's pleasant pastures seen?" is no evidence that the answer is "yes." Indeed, Blake doesn't give the answer.

Kathleen30 said:

Now evaluating can Christians lie it’s never an easy process. But we know from our Bible many be Christian in name only A verse comes to mind Lord Lord didn’t we do this and do that in your name and the Lord says depart from me I never knew you . So there are certainly counterfeits . You mention Buzz Aldrin. Yes he was certainly a Freemason and has never recanted of that he also joined other Masonic organisations such as the York rite and the Arabia shrine temple of Houston. You can find more on that with a search on a website ( www Freemason.com( buzz Aldrin celebrates his 92nd birthday freemasonry ) and it begs the question what Christian would further his Masonic endeavours by joining other Masonic organisations?

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In the first place, @Apple Sky's claim was that ALL the "bigwigs" are Freemasons. Though she admitted that she doesn't know any of them. I replied that maybe Buzz Aldrin was but that does not prove that EVERYONE in NASA, and whatever other "bigwigs" she is talking about, is a Freemason.
Secondly, I don't think I said that Buzz was a Christian I said that he took Holy Communion on the moon.

One of the astronauts who walked on the moon is Charles Duke.
He later became a Christian and gives talks about his walk on the moon and his walk with Jesus. He has said, several times, that his walk with Jesus is far more important and that meeting him was the greatest part of his life. @Apple Sky knows this because she once listened to his testimony, said, on these forums, that it moved her and that she had changed her mind about the moon landings.
There are, I understand, 3 other astronauts who walked on the moon and later became Christians.

Apple Sky now thinks they are all liars.

rjs330 said:

I'm sure its costing a lot. But it wouldn't have to cost anything if the protestors weren't obstructing and being violent toward ICE. If they quit trying to obstruct and act violent we wouldn't have to worry about cost because the agents would just do their jobs.

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The money Trump has poured into CRUELTY and suddenly expanding ICE without the proper police training is enormous - and if it were a national military it would be the 17th largest in the world. (Equivalent to Canada.) It's the largest Federal Department now - and is a particularly bad look given he let the world's richest man cut all those other departments!

Soon people will realise that Trump's economic delusions (like tariffs) and lies (about immigrants) and cruelty (against minorities and immigrants) are not sustainable government policies. Imagine if, instead of ICE, he had put the money into less punitive forms of immigrant processing so that the many valid refugees could be automatically given greencards and even some of the economic migrants might have a better chance of becoming citizens?

The statistics show they are half as likely to commit violent crime, and a quarter as likely to commit property crime (theft).

Strong in Him said:

Doubt it.
There's no Biblical evidence for that, either.

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Oh sorry it was Scotia the daughter of an Egyptian pharaoh who, along with her husband Gaythelos (also spelled Goídel Glas), was exiled from Egypt. They are said to have journeyed through Spain and eventually settled in Ireland and later their descendants migrated to Scotland, which was named after Scotia.

Pharaoh is the word where the word 'fairies' is derived from.

Kathleen30 said:

Well Stong in him maybe with other historical figures. But certainly not with Muhammad. The only real evidence in documents comes 200 - 300 yrs after his alleged death. Unlike Jesus who we have the entirety of the New Testament written in the life time of the apostolic era.which is called witness testimony .

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Sorry, but you didn't read my reply properly.
I said:

Strong in Him said:

If it never happened there would be no documents at all, so even the birth of Mohamed would be able to "beat" it.

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The "it" referred to the moon landings, which Apple Sky says never happened.
IF the moon landings had never happened, there would be no documentation at all about them. You don't write about, record, photograph etc something that didn't happen.
And if that had been the case, Mohammed's birth, with a few documents, would have been more documented than the moon landings, with none.

Christ's Birth is not documented throughout the NT, only in a few pages of Matthew and Luke's Gospels. It was Christ's birth that Apple Sky first mentioned.

jonojim1337 said:

This thread isn’t about making me a saint. But rather, to avoid sin unto death.

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Yet in your opening post on this thread you wrote: "I’m not perfect, but compared to how vile some people are, who profess themselves to be normal, have a job etc… I have no problem calling myself a saint."

Oompa Loompa said:

Well...who was present when God created the universe

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Oompa Loompa said:

Who was present to document Jesus being tempted in the wilderness?

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As I implied in my post, nobody.

Oompa Loompa said:

My opinion is that there were no witnesses. But stories heard through word of mouth.

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So if nobody was present, who started the "stories"? If they are merely made-up stories, like "Goldilocks and the Three Bears," why did Jesus Christ refer to them as absolute truth? No, like the rest of the bible, the accounts of Creation, of the temptation of Jesus, etc., were written by men but inspired by God Himself:

“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,” (2Ti 3:16 NKJV)

David Lamb said:

Now you rearrange the four letters of NASA, stick the chevron in the middle, pretending it's a letter T

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Lol'z - The missing 'T' stands for 'Test' or 'Time'.

Dan Perez said:

Read Gal 6:15 and give your reply. as to what it means.

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Again you're mixing up the groups of believers. There are three groups of believers:

1. Child of God (Gal. 4:1; 1 John 3:10)
2. Son of God (Rom.8:14; Gal. 3:25, 26)
3. Perfect (adult) man (Eph. 4:13)

When you talk about those under the law, which group do you think they belong to?

Aristarkos

Servus said:

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 2 Peter 3:10

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Therefore - we can run in and steal all our neighbour's grain.
Or dam up the river, and make sure we use 95% of that water for ourselves - those people who rely on it downstream can just go somewhere else! This river is coming through MY lands - and is MINE to do what I want with!
"Dominion" - and all that. My little kingdom. And if anyone hurts Lamech - I'll hurt them 77 times back!

BURN ALL the fossil fuels - because our great grandchildren surely don't need a good reliable source of chemicals.
BURN ALL the fossil fuels - and release those particulates into our fellow citizens lungs - poisoning them and costing our health services even more money!
BURN ALL the fossil fuels - and destabilise the climate and radically shift the climate weather bands around the planet so that whole nations lose their agricultural zones!
BURN ALL THE FOSSIL fuels - and don't prepare civilisation for life without them - so that things just collapse after they peak and begin to decline, becoming too expensive too fast and causing yet more oil wars!

What is all that to me? I just want what I WANT - OK! To use it all up pursuing as much money and trinkets as I can get right now, because life is short. Trust in God? Seek first his kingdom? Love your neighbour? Share resources around like the early church in Acts? What's all that - sounds like communism!

GET OFF MY LAWN with your hippie brochures about 'climate change'. What do I care if it gets 2 degrees warmer - I'll put a hat on!

Or - you could read 2 Peter 3:10 more carefully.
"the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 2 Peter 3:10"

Do you really want that selfish, arrogant dismissal of the dangers of climate change on your poor neighbours to be your record when the Lord returns? Do you really want to be guilty of spreading lies and misinformation about it?
Do you really want to turn some fertile countries in today's climate system into deserts?
Do you really want to leave the next generation without enough fossil fuels to build out a sustainable energy infrastructure while still having enough left to run society?

Did you look at the links I shared about your previous myth "They used to say an ice age was coming!"
Are you going to share that untruth again?
Have you learned anything?

Strong in Him said:

You're making a judgement again - you don't know all the "big wigs".
And as for getting their positions of high power, have you never heard of hard work and using the gifts that God gave to them? That is true even if they aren't Christians. Everything was made by God - therefore, their talents, skills and capacity for hard work were too.

So Buzz Aldrin may have once been a Freemason? Obviously that means that he always was - and everybody else in NASA was too.

The truth is that you don't know - you said it yourself.
You don't know the "big wigs" at NASA. You don't know their faith, you don't know their characters and if they regularly tell lies.
You believe they do - because your own beliefs will not allow you to think otherwise. You can't be wrong, so everyone else - thousands/millions of them - are lying.
Your conspiracy theory beliefs have made you into the kind of person who mistrusts everyone and thinks the worst of them - even calling children of God, liars and Freemasons. Your conspiracy theory beliefs have led you to mock others and contradict yourself.

And the moon landings aren't controversial; but fact.
They happened, more than once, and we continue to explore space. You don't believe that, but that's irrelevant to the truth.
These events are over 50 years old - deal with it.

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Now evaluating can Christians lie it’s never an easy process. But we know from our Bible many be Christian in name only A verse comes to mind Lord Lord didn’t we do this and do that in your name and the Lord says depart from me I never knew you . So there are certainly counterfeits . You mention Buzz Aldrin. Yes he was certainly a Freemason and has never recanted of that he also joined other Masonic organisations such as the York rite and the Arabia shrine temple of Houston. You can find more on that with a search on a website ( www Freemason.com( buzz Aldrin celebrates his 92nd birthday freemasonry ) and it begs the question what Christian would further his Masonic endeavours by joining other Masonic organisations?

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O come on! First you try to tell us that the red chevron is a snake's tongue, and that is an indication that NASA is satanic. Now you rearrange the four letters of NASA, stick the chevron in the middle, pretending it's a letter T, presumably claiming that it makes the name "Satan." I am sure we could play around with many acronyms in a similar way, but such playing is no evidence at all.

RocksInMyHead said:

Not always. About 0.1% of children nationwide received puberty blockers or hormones between 2018 and 2022. Considering that somewhere between 2 and 5% of minors either identify as transgender or have thought that they might be trans (i.e. the potential pool for puberty blockers and hormones), that's really not a lot - about 2-5% of the potential pool of transgender children. Furthermore, puberty blockers have been shown to be safe and reversible - they're also used to treat conditions like precocious puberty (early-onset puberty) in cisgender patients.

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No puberty blockers have NOT been shown to be safe or reversible.

Yes the puberty blockers weren't prescribed to teens as often who claimed to be trans. However hormones were. When a kid went to a gender clinic (and not all trans identifying teens did), they almost always got put on blockers or started hormones.

Let's take 2019 as an example. Roughly 21000 kids were diagnosed as dysphoric. 897 of them were given blockers. Not to bad right?

However, 3000 of them were prescribed hormones.

238 kids got mastechtomies.

And all of that was only based on insurance claims.

The sad part is these numbers should be ZERO for kids. As rhe research has shown it is NOT necessary and if you leave rhe kids alone the VAST majority desist. How many of those 3000 kids have been permanently damaged who didnt need to be? All of this based on faulty and manipulated stuff.

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Christians are not concerned with equality, because they practise humility and charity.

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I think they're supposed to.

Strong in Him said:

You can't speak English then?

Another nonsensical statement.

If it never happened there would be no documents at all, so even the birth of Mohamed would be able to "beat" it.

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Well Stong in him maybe with other historical figures. But certainly not with Muhammad. The only real evidence in documents comes 200 - 300 yrs after his alleged death. Unlike Jesus who we have the entirety of the New Testament written in the life time of the apostolic era.which is called witness testimony . I recommend a u tube video ( what every Muslin misses about the Quran’s origins ) some 30 minutes in duration. Speaker Jay Smith

durangodawood said:

I typically look at it through the lens of "would this sort of thing raise a fuss if it was hetero white people behaving this exact way?"

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This is a psychological issue. It goea beyond the normative. Its pushing kids to consider things at a young age that they don't need to be considering. It a psychological issue and kids who struggle are in deep psychological stress and can be harmed by this trans kind of stuff. Encouraging them to pursue something they are not actually mentally ready for until they are an adult.

RocksInMyHead said:

Who is "so in favor of it"? There's a pretty big difference between being "so in favor of" something and simply not objecting to it.

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Nothing like riding the fence.