Acts 2:38 in context

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Why? Baptism was instituted by Jesus after his resurrection but before his ascension.

2 things you should study

One : is Why was John The Baptist water baptizing before Jesus showed up.
Two,: Why did John the Baptist water baptize Jesus.

The reason you should study this, is because someone led you to believe that water Baptism started by Jesus.

Someone lied to you, and you need to discover why they did.


Also Paul the Apostle said...>"Christ sent me not to water baptize".. and He said that after Mark 16, where you find your verse that talks about "make disciples and water baptize them".

So, @Ain't Zwinglian , what you want to find out..... is why Paul would tell YOU that, if water baptism is so very important.
 
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Someone lied to you, and you need to discover why they did.
That's right, someone lied to you as most of your post contains erroneous and bogus beliefs. Not worth commenting on.

As for Paul's statement "I was not sent to baptize" see my OP here.


I am going to stay far away from this conversation.
 
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Also Paul the Apostle said...>"Christ sent me not to water baptize"
@Aviel - where exactly did Paul say - "Christ sent me not to water baptize" If I take out the word water - that it seems you added to the scripture - I did find a reference, but once again, if you read it in context - it becomes clear he is not saying what you thing he is.

1 Cor 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.

Acts 16:25 But at midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were loosed. 27 And the keeper of the prison, awaking from sleep and seeing the prison doors open, supposing the prisoners had fled, drew his sword and was about to kill himself. 28 But Paul called with a loud voice, saying, “Do yourself no harm, for we are all here.”​
29 Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”​
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.

 
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That's right, someone lied to you as most of your post contains erroneous and bogus beliefs.

If what you say is true, and its not... then post one of my "erroneous beliefs", and i'll show you more that you need to know regarding water baptism.

And here is something else you can think about, also.

If water baptism died on the Cross for your sin, then keep trusting in water baptism. @Ain't Zwinglian
 
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@Aviel - where exactly did Paul say - "Christ sent me not to water baptize"


31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”​

Notice that you believe to be saved, and then after you have BELIEVED and your faith is counted by God, and you receive His Salvation.. THEN, you are water baptized.
So, read your verse again, and notice that..

And then, go to Acts 8, and you'll find the same with Philip and the Eunuch...

The Eunuch wanted to be water baptized, and Philip told him......."you may, IF you have believed with ALL your HEART, FIRST<<"...

As its the BELIEVING that is Required by God, not the water.

And Its not that Paul never water baptized, its that Christ didn't send Him for that, purpose.

Christ sent Paul to teach the Body Of Christ...."Doctrine", and most of all, to teach us "Justification by Faith", without water, and without works.


So, its not that we are not to water baptize..... as we are to do that, ONCE the person is BORN AGAIN...

And that is what Paul is explaining, when He says that Christ sent Him not to Baptize".
He's teaching you, that water has no authority and no power.
Its just symbolic., and its done AFTER the person is born again.
 
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As for Paul's statement "I was not sent to baptize" see my OP here.

Thanks, but i'll pass.

Im not interested in reading someone try to prove that Water washes sin away, when it fact that's impossible.
 
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Notice that you believe to be saved, and then after you have BELIEVED and your faith is counted by God, and you receive His Salvation.. THEN, you are water baptized.
So, read your verse again, and notice that..

And then, go to Acts 8, and you'll find the same with Philip and the Eunuch...

The Eunuch wanted to be water baptized, and Philip told him......."you may, IF you have believed with ALL your HEART, FIRST<<"...

As its the BELIEVING that is Required by God, not the water.

And Its not that Paul never water baptized, its that Christ didn't send Him for that, purpose.

Christ sent Paul to teach the Body Of Christ...."Doctrine", and most of all, to teach us "Justification by Faith", without water, and without works.


So, its not that we are not to water baptize..... as we are to do that, ONCE the person is BORN AGAIN...

And that is what Paul is explaining, when He says that Christ sent Him not to Baptize".
He's teaching you, that water has no authority and no power.
Its just symbolic., and its done AFTER the person is born again.
Ah… if you would just speak plainly.

Yes, Baptism in water is subsequent to Salvation just as Baptism in the Holy Spirit is subsequent to Salvation also.
 
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Also, remember that I am Catholic, so our interpretations of scripture may be different.
As I am Lutheran, so we are very close. The definition of baptism in post #28 is classical Baptistic. Similar to others I have collected here at CF. Such as:

Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change.
A public proclamation and a testimony of God’s work in a believer’s life.
Baptism is a choice that one needs to make for him/herself as part of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
It is an act of obedience and discipleship.
Baptism is seen as an outward expression of an inward spiritual reality that has already taken place at salvation​

Scripture does not give such a definition.
 
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As I am Lutheran, so we are very close. The definition of baptism in post #28 is classical Baptistic. Similar to others I have collected here at CF. Such as:

Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change.
A public proclamation and a testimony of God’s work in a believer’s life.
Baptism is a choice that one needs to make for him/herself as part of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
It is an act of obedience and discipleship.
Baptism is seen as an outward expression of an inward spiritual reality that has already taken place at salvation​


Scripture does not give such a definition.
Well, it does not matter much, as we are both Christ-followers.
 
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Ah… if you would just speak plainly.

Yes, Baptism in water is subsequent to Salvation just as Baptism in the Holy Spirit is subsequent to Salvation also.

The Water follows Salvation.
Its does not cause it, unless water is the Holy Spirit.

It could be that a water cult has taught you that water saves? 'water washes your sin away"?

It does not.
Water is just water, no matter how much the WATER CULTS try to prove that the city water supply, has supernatural powers.

Avoid those, as they are not of God.
 
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The Water follows Salvation.
Its does not cause it, unless water is the Holy Spirit.

It could be that a water cult has taught you that water saves? 'water washes your sin away"?

It does not.
Water is just water, no matter how much the WATER CULTS try to prove that the city water supply, has supernatural powers.

Avoid those, as they are not of God.
Pssst... 'Subsequent"

Ah… if you would just speak plainly.

Yes, Baptism in water is subsequent to Salvation just as Baptism in the Holy Spirit is subsequent to Salvation also.

adjective​

  1. Following in time or order; succeeding.
  2. Following in time; coming or being after something else at any time, indefinitely.
    "subsequent events; subsequent ages or years; a period long subsequent to the foundation of Rome"

Not sure if you didn't understand we are saying the SAME THING or you are so vested in arguing, you will argue with people who agree.
 
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Not sure if you didn't understand we are saying the SAME THING or you are so vested in arguing, you will argue with people who agree.

Once you are born again, then go ahead and get water baptized. @hislegacy
 
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Pssst... 'Subsequent"

You posted this...

""""" Baptism in the Holy Spirit is subsequent to Salvation also.""""


So, that is not correct.

Notice this..

4. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one BAPTISM,


There is only one Spiritual Baptism, and it happens the moment a Believer gives their faith in Christ, to God.


Now, if you read Acts 2, then we see that Peter received a spiritual gift, and that is not a BAPTISM, that is a "sign of an Apostle"...

2 Corinthians 12:12
 
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There is only one Spiritual Baptism, and it happens the moment a Believer gives their faith in Christ, to God.


Now, if you read Acts 2, then we see that Peter received a spiritual gift, and that is not a BAPTISM, that is a "sign of an Apostle"...

2 Corinthians 12:12
And… there is where we disagree. Feel free to open a thread on the subject and I will jump in.

Let's stay on topic here:
 
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Acts 2:36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”​
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?​
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”​
We see repentance mentioned more than 20 times in the Gospels, and here in the book of Acts, it continues

Acts 3:18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before,​
Then again here:

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. 31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”​
Then here in Romans

Romans 2:Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?

Let’s talk about repentance - what does repentance look like in real life?
Maybe share some of your story of repentance.
How often do you find the need to repent?
If you have to repent from a specific sin more than once, is it really repentance?

This could be a very interesting discussion.

I see that the CONTEXT is ALL for Israel , and Acts 2:36 says so !!

This then says that the HOUSE ISRAEL is guilty of having Crucified Jesus , in verse 36 .

Verse 37 says that they were PIERCED through the HEART , and they say , What will we do ??

Then Peter declared to them REPENT and let each of you be BAPTIZED ( also notice that the Greek word for WATER // HODOR ) is not in the text !!

Also means that REPENTANCE belongs to Israel only .

dan p
 
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