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Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp endorses Donald Trump, reversing feud amid Dems' rising odds


Rather surprising but understandable. Imagine the disaster if any of Kamala's radical ideas, from destroying private health care insurance to doubling the number of illegals to halting fracking to instituting a mandatory gun buyback program, were implemented.
This is very good news that Governor Brian Kemp and Donald Trump are focused on defeating the progressive left Democratic Party.
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Kamala Campaign Website Still Lacks Policy Platform After Start Of DNC

lol, she’s got the conservatives checking her website daily, breathlessly awaiting updates.

Imagine that....people interested in her policies.

Meanwhile....what's her stance on Gaza? Pro-Israel and as half the left says....pro-genocide? How about the Ukraine? Winter is coming....can they retreat in time to avoid being bogged down?

The economy is down, crime is up, education is failing...this administration lied about not only covid origins, and smeared legitimate professionals, but also vaccine effectiveness. They told you stories of UFOs while covering up corruption and graft. They literally achieved nothing, made things worse...objectively...and now you're cheering them on.

They got you. Hook, line and sinker.
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The Cloud

The Cloud

1Co 10:1 KJV Moreover, brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren (adopted Christians ), I (Paul) would not that you should be ignorant (without knowledge), how that all our (Jewish) fathers were under the cloud (God Rev 4:2,3 14:14), and all passed through the (opened Exo 13:21,22) sea (John the Babtist John 1:6 Matt 3:11 Acts 1:5, 11:15 1Pet 3:21 Acts 2:2,3);

Brethren-Adopted Christians

Gal 4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child (Luke 7:28 least in the Kingdom God), differs nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; Gal 4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time (Rom 14:10 2Cor 5:10 Judgment Seat of Christ) appointed of the father. Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman (Matt 1:18), made under the law, Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law (Col 2:14,15), that we (Christians) might receive the adoption of sons. Gal 4: And because you (Christians Rom 10:9,10 Eph 2:8-10) are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts (Phil 1:11 Col 1:9), crying, Abba, Father. Gal 4:7 Wherefore you are no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: Eph 1:4 According as he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he has made us (Christians) accepted in the beloved (Jesus). Eph 1:7 In whom (Jesus) we (Christians) have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Eph 1:8 Wherein he has abounded toward us (Christians) in all wisdom and prudence; Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us (Christians) the mystery of his (God) will, according to his good pleasure which he has (God) purposed in himself: Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he (God) might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Eph 1:11 In whom (Christ) also we (Christians) have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him (God) who works all things after the counsel of his (God) own will:

Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that you (Christians) have put off the old man with his deeds; Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him (God) that created him (New Man): Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ (John 19:30 2Cor 5:19 John 4:24) is all, and in all (Christians). Col 3:12 (Christians) Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Rom 11:1 I say then, has God cast away his people? God forbid. For I (Paul) also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Rom 11:2 God has not cast away his people which he foreknew. Were you not what the scripture says of Elias? how he (Jesus) makes intercession to God against Israel, saying, Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed your prophets, and dug down your altars; and I (Elias) am left alone, and they (unsaved) seek my (Elias) life. Rom 11:4 But what says the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal (Rev 2:14 Jude 1:11). Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Rom 11:6 And if by grace (Eph 2:8-10), then is it no more of works (Col 2:14,15): otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Rom 11:7 What then? Israel has not obtained that which he seeks for; but the election has obtained it, and the rest were blinded Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God has given them the spirit of slumber (Heb 5:12-6:6), eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day. Rom 11:9 And David says, Let their table (1Kings 18:19 Isa 28:8 John 2:15 {Moses seat Matt 23:2 Rev 11:3-6}) be made a snare (Psa 69:22), and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them (unsaved Prov 29:8): Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened (John 8:44 John 10:21, that they may not see (Rev 2:7), and bow down their back always (2Cor 3:14 4:4 Hos 11:7).

Gentiles Grafted In

Rom 11:11 I (Paul) say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Rom 11:12 (1) Now if the fall of them (unsaved Jews Deut 32:16) be the riches of the world, (2) and the diminishing of them (unsaved Jews) the riches (Rom 10:9, 10 Eph 2:8-10) of the Gentiles; (3) how much more their fulness (1Cor 15 Chapter)? Rom 11:13 For I (Paul) speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I (1Tim 2:7) am the apostle (Acts 26:14-16) of the Gentiles, I magnify (broaden) my office (True Chruch Matt 16:13-20 Acts 20:28 Heb 12:23): Rom 11:14 If by any means I (Paul) may provoke (call forth) to emulation (copying 1Cor 9:24 running the race) them (Jews) which are my (Paul Rom 11:1 tribe of Benjamin) flesh, and might save some of them (Jews ). Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them (unsaved Jews) be the reconciling (restoring friendly relations) of the world (gentiles), what shall the receiving of them (unsaved Jews) be?, but life (born again John 3:3-8 1Pet 1:23) from the dead (Rev 20:15-20)? Rom 11:16 For if the first fruit be holy, the lump (assembly) is also holy: and if the root (Jesus Isa 53:2 Rev 22:15 Eph 2:20 corner stone) be holy, so are the branches (Jews). Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches (unsaved Jews) be broken off (Luke 3:9), and you (Christians), being a wild olive tree (gentiles), were grafted (implant living tissue 1Pet 1:23) in among them (remaining branches-Jews), and with them partakers of the root (Jesus) and fatness (faith of the heart) of the olive tree (Kingdom of God); Rom 11:18 (Christians) Boast not against the branches (Jews). But if you (Christians) boast, you bear not the root (Jesus John 15:5), but the root you (Eph 2:9). Rom 11:19 You (Christians) will say then, the branches were broken off (unsaved Jews), that I (Christians) might be grafted (implant living tissue) in. Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they (branches=Jews) were broken off, and you (Christians) stand by faith (Eph 2:8-10 Rom 10:9,10). Be not high-minded (prideful), but fear (respect): Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches (unsaved Jews), take heed lest he also spare not you (1Pet 1:14 Heb 12:23). Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity (broken branches=Jews); but toward you (Christians), goodness, if you (Christians) continue in his (God Exo 34:6 Eph 5:9) goodness: otherwise you (Christians) also shall be cut off (Rev 20:11-15). Rom 11:23 And they (unsaved Jews 2/3 Matt 23:2 thirds of Rev 12:6 {Rev 2&3}) also (goodness and severity under the cloud Heb 8:12), if they (unsaved Jews) abide not (acceptance) still in unbelief (Heb 5:12-6:1-6 Rev 2&3), shall be grafted in: for God is able to graff (John 15:6) them in again.

The Cloud and Right Hand

Rev 5:1a And I (John) saw in the right hand (authoritative Rev 1:16a)

Right Hand: see Rev 1:16a, 1:17b, Rev 1:20, 5:1a, 7

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man (Rev 1:13) came with the clouds Rev 14:14) of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that shall not be destroyed.

Rev 1:16 And he (Jesus) had in his right hand (Rev 5:1) seven stars (Rev 1:16 3:1): and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword (words Rev 2:12,16 TELEKINESIS): and his countenance (appearance) was as (parallel) the sun shines in his strength.

1Cor 10:1 continues

Jesus Sitting on the Heavenly Throne

Rev 5:1b of him (Jesus Rev 1:1, 2-17, 4:2,3, 6:1b, 19:11-16) that sat on *the (heavenly) throne (Dan 7:9,10)

Titles of Jesus: see Rev 1:1, 4,8, 13,18 3:14, 4:11, 5:5, 7

Appearance of Jesus: see Rev 1:13-17, 4:2,3, Rev 19:11-16

Throne: see Rev 1:4c, 3:21, 4:2, Rev 5:1b, 6:6, 14:14, 20:11

Rev 14:14 And I (John) looked, and behold *a white cloud (throne of God Rev 14:15,16, 20:11), and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man (title of Jesus Rev 1:13) having on his head a golden (generosity & compassion) crown (authority) and in his (Jesus) hand a sharp (prepared) sickle (harvest Rev 16:12-16, 14:14-20, Rev 19:11-21). (*throne sequence Rev 4:2,3 Rev 5:1, 6:16, 14:14. 20:11)

1Ki 18:44 And it came to pass at the seventh time, that he said, Behold, there arises a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's (Dan 5:5) hand. And he said, go up, say unto Ahab, Prepare your chariot, and get you down, that the rain stop you not.

  • Mar 6:48 And he saw them toiling (working) in rowing; for the wind (Eph 4:12-15 1Tim 1:10 Col 2:14) was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he comes unto them, walking (Eph 4:14-15) upon the sea, and would have passed by them. Mar 6:49 But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out:
  • Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Heb 11:29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

The Sea=John the Babtist

Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that comes after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, you have heard of me. Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Act 11:14 Who shall tell you words, whereby you and all your house shall be saved. Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
And I will point to a number of verses that you wrote .

# 1 In 1 Cor 10:1 and verse 2 are ALL JEWS , PERIOD .

# 2 So , what are your thoughts as to what the CLOUD // NEPHELE , is in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , meaning LIMITED in the

SINGULAR , meaning one time .

# 3 Some say that the CLOUD represents the Shekinah Glory of God Presence , Psa 105 :39 , Ex 13:21 , Num 9:18 .

# 4 Your thoughts on 1 Peter 3:21 where the word BAPTISM is written .

# 5 But the Greek word is not BAPTISM // BAPTIZO , it is the Greek word BPTISMA , !!

# 6 And your thinking on 1 Cor 10:2 And all were BAPTIZED // BAPTISZO , unto Moses in the CLOUD , and in the SEA

on what the SEA , represents ?

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Discussion Baptisms in the Holy Spirit

I've listened to one video by him. He was speaking of the events of the Toronto revival that he was a part of. "Characteristics of revival"?.. "Come Holy Spirit"?
Asking, "come Holy Spirit" is part of pressing in, beginning with being born again, by receiving the Holy Spirit into your heart. So they preach to us, make straight the way, open your heart, reach out and take in the kingdom from above... And if you ask rightly for the anointing you should be given one.
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Why has Christianity mostly failed in the far east and in south Asia?

Many forms of Christianity practiced in certain parts of Asia were not among the types practiced or tolerated in the rest of the Christian world. For instance, China was first reached by missionaries from the Nestorian/Persian Church, as testified to by the Xi'an stele, from 781. That stele documents what was at the time 150 years of Christianity in that part of the world, beginning with the Assyrian missionary Alopen. In a similar vein, Christianity was practiced for about 8 centuries by the Mongols before most of them converted to Islam or other religions in the Middle Ages, and included some very famous and influential people, such as the wife of Hulagu Khan (the grandson of Genghis), Doquz Khan, who remained a Nestorian Christian even after her husband's eventual conversion to Buddhism on his deathbed.
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Offensive comments by N.C. Republican Lt. Gov (and leading Gov candidate) stand out even in Trump’s party

Fortunately, it looks like the voters are mostly not buying his particular brand of crazy.

A new High Point University/SurveyUSA Poll shows Attorney General Josh Stein, the Democratic nominee for governor, leading Republican Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson by 14 percentage points in North Carolina’s closely watched governor’s race.

While Harris’ entry into the presidential race has helped bring new excitement to the Democratic ticket — the poll found that she has now pulled slightly ahead of former President Donald Trump among North Carolina voters 46%-45% — Robinson has faced questions in recent weeks about a nonprofit led by his wife that was cited for inaccurate reimbursement claims.

With the new school year starting, Lt. Gov. Robinson has also faced questions about remarks made during a July event that he would opt the state out of [$1.6 billion with a b in] federal education funds in an effort to reduce bureaucracy.
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How long before RFK Jr. is vilified in pop culture?

He's already being attacked endlessly.

His views are stupid.
yup he is already being attacked - even right here.
It would be great if he came out for Mrs Harris as he's only going to syphon the crazy contingent away from Mr Trump's base.

Fellow travellers and all that.
Crazy added to crazy might not work - they are already fighting each other. But the again, one more crazy? Who would even notice.
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Trump is increasingly funneling campaign money into his own businesses. Experts say it looks bad, but is probably totes legal.

Trump’s businesses are raking in millions of dollars from Republican political campaigns – including his own

With glitzy Mar-a-Lago fundraisers, stays at Trump’s hotels, and flights on the former president’s private jet, Republican candidates and political groups are on track to spend more on Trump’s businesses this year than any year since 2016, according to a CNN analysis of federal campaign finance data.

Trump himself has been the biggest spender, both this year and over the last decade. Between his three presidential campaigns, Trump and associated political groups have funneled more than $28 million in campaign donations to his businesses – helping convert the enthusiasm of his political supporters into personal profit.

Some of the candidates who’ve spent the most money on Trump businesses in recent years have been new politicians who won the former president’s endorsement despite a lack of past electoral experience or success, including [OH senator candidate and car dealership owner Bernie] Moreno, [failed] former Georgia Senate candidate Herschel Walker and [failed and failing] Arizona Senate hopeful Kari Lake.

“He’s clearly now in complete control of the Republican Party,” said Daniel Weiner, director of the Brennan Center’s Elections and Government Program. “Patronizing his businesses has become one of the accepted ways that candidates and public officials express their loyalty to the party’s leader.


And when it comes down to it, isn't that more important than winning elections?

It’s not illegal for candidates to spend campaign funds at their own businesses, provided that the businesses are charging them a fair market rate, said Weiner, the Brennan Center expert.
It’s like a more political Amway!
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FACT FOCUS: Here’s a Look at Some of The False Claims Made During Biden and Trump’s First Debate

How, exactly, does this in any way reduce the imperative that we are to put the needs of others ahead of our own needs? As a rich nation, surely the US, if a Christian model is to be followed, should in many cases be put in the interests of others first.

What does this vague, alarmist claim even mean? Do you have any credible, concrete evidence that there is any such plot afoot?
Have you seen the videos or done some reading about the World Economic Forum?
Also, if the USA puts other nations around the world first, then does that mean the interests of nations that are not our true friends would be more important than the American people?
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Opinion Republicans want Trump to drop the insults — but that’s all he’s got

Who did he sexually assault again, a prostitute?
No. He was liable for the sexual assault of a New York columnist. A writer.


A judge has now clarified that this is basically a legal distinction without a real-world difference. He says that what the jury found Trump did was in fact rape, as commonly understood.​
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Sorghaghtani Beki

Wiki:

was a Keraite princess and daughter-in-law of Genghis Khan. Married to Tolui, Genghis' youngest son, Sorghaghtani Beki became one of the most powerful and competent people in the Mongol Empire.
Sorghaghtani, a Nestorian Christian, respected other religions. Her sons, like Genghis, were all very tolerant in matters of religion, and the Mongol Empire promulgated the notion of state above religion while supporting all major religions of the time.[2] Sorghaghtani also financed the construction of a madrasa in Bukhara and gave alms to both Christians and Muslims.
Her son, Kublai Khan, followed Tibetan Buddhism and founded the Yuan dynasty in China.

Marco Polo, a Christian, traveled from Italy to Beijing to Meet Kublai Khan (a Buddhist), whose mother was a Christian.
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where they stand on the issues (rather than personal insults)

  1. January 6th rioters
  2. Immigration
  3. Guns
  4. Economy
    1. Taxes
    2. Trade
  5. Education
    1. Vouchers
    2. Student Loans
  6. Foreign Policy
    1. Israel Gaza
    2. Nato
    3. Ukraine
  7. Social issues
    1. Abortion
    2. LGBTQ rights
    3. DEI
  8. Common Good
    1. Healthcare
    2. Climate change
    3. Crime
    4. Housing
    5. Social Security
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Praying.

I think i learned that if you don't pray much, you are not going to get much from God.

Need something? pray.
Lack faith? ask.
Some problem? ask.
It delays the answer? insist.
It passed 2 years and still the problem is there? keep praying.

Christians should pray for the problems until they are dead.
Sometimes God answer is quick, other times we need to insist.

"Everything you ask believing you shall receive"
"But ask with faith, not with doubt, no one will receive anything from God doubting".
"Someone is afflicted?, make prayers"
"Because is important that those who reach out to God, believe He exists, and he rewards those who seek Him".
"Cry out to me, and i will respond, and i will show you hidden things, that haven't been even in the heart of man"
"Prayer" is often misunderstood as "asking things of God," which of course it can be. But more broadly, "Prayer" is communicating with God. When one receives Salvation and with it the Holy Spirit, one cannot ignore the presence of God in his or her life.

Prayer, then, becomes natural, as you communicate with the One you've made your Lord. You go to Him for guidance, counsel, companionship, etc.

Asking God for things is not a formula for getting those things. "Faith" is sometimes defined as "claiming the things you want by not exercising any doubt whatsoever."

That is not, I think, what "Faith" ever meant--to just ask for things, and actually to demand things. It is not the removal of all doubt so that what you ask is certain to be received. Yes, it may sound like that, but often the context is not understood.

When Jesus told his disciples to ask for things, the larger context was the mission Jesus had already given them, to preach the Gospel, to do miracles, to live in a godly way. So to ask for things meant to ask for the means of carrying out these orders. It kept them in the will of God, under His Lordship, rather than make themselves lords of their own lives, getting whatever they wanted.

"Ask what you will" has to do with a man on a mission asking for the tools of his craft, to carry out his orders. That's all it was, in my opinion. It's like a rich man who is supplying the army with its weapons to complete their mission. "Ask for what you need--I will supply it," is what he would say. "Prayer" is communicating with the Lord, to determine exactly what His will for our life is!
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