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Did they kill women and children in the civil war against Benjamin?

At the end of the civil war against Benjamin, Jg 20:

46 On that day twenty-five thousand Benjamite swordsmen fell, all of them valiant fighters. 47 But six hundred of them turned and fled into the wilderness to the rock of Rimmon, where they stayed four months.
Only a remnant of 600 Benjamin men survived.

48 The men of Israel went back to Benjamin and put all the towns to the sword, including the animals and everything else they found. All the towns they came across they set on fire.
Did they kill the women and children?

Ellicott, Benson, Keil and Delitzsch, Matthew Poole, and Gill all thought so.

Jg 21:

15 The people grieved for Benjamin, because the Lord had made a gap in the tribes of Israel. 16 And the elders of the assembly said, “With the women of Benjamin destroyed, how shall we provide wives for the men who are left?
They killed the men, women, and children in Jabesh-Gilead (Manassah) but spared 400 young virgins (Jg 21:12) to be wives for the Benjamin survivors. The others caught 200 daughters of Shiloh when they danced during a yearly feast to the Lord (Jg 21:21).

Did they kill women and children in the civil war against Benjamin?

Yes, the tribe of Benjamin was almost exterminated during this civil war.

Prayer for the Russia / Ukraine conflict

There is a silver lining. Ukraine is hanging in there. They are now attacking Russia. There are probably life saving miracles on both sides.

I haven’t prayed for Ukraine in a while. Why don’t they just give up to the bully. Their country is already destroyed and the people displaced. I put that into a prayer. I think they are showing a lot of outrage though which is good.

War is awful though but it continues to the end. What about Israel I pray for peace there and for Israel to win. I hate war, I’ve seen what it did to our men in viet nam. Didn’t like it one bit. Jesus will end war after Armageddon with a final victory. Sure hope trump doesn’t start a war. It’s awful but there will be wars and rumors of wars.
Would you give up your home and state? Only part of the territory is enough for now but russia insists that ukraine could never join NATO. So basically you are giving up your security for the future of the whole nation.
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Zechariah and Prophecy Today

, I anticipate that Hezbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah will soon be eliminated by Israel.
But what the Bible Prophets say, is that Israels leaders will be gone and incompetent leaders will take over:

Isaiah 3:1-9 The Lord is about to strip Judah of every prop and support, all of their leaders, generals and counsellors will lose their positions. I shall appoint inexperienced people to positions of authority. Oppression and arrogance will stalk the Land and there will be severe shortages of food and water.
Judah is brought low, for in word and deed, they defy the Lord. The look on their faces testifies against them. Like Sodom, they parade their sins. Woe betide them, they have earned the disaster that will strike them.


Isaiah 3:10-11 Happy are the righteous. All goes well with them. Woe to the wicked, disaster is upon them. My people, those who guide you are leading you astray.

Isaiah 3:13-26 The Lord stands up to judge His people. He opens the indictment against the elders and leaders; it is you who have ruined My vineyard. You have crushed My people and oppressed the poor.
You women of Zion; I will take away your finery, instead of coifed hair, you will be bald.
Your men will fall by the sword of the Lord, as in battle. Judah’s defences are stripped
bare, laid flat to the ground.
[Isaiah 22:2 & 8…your slain did not fall by the sword, as in battle….and the mainstays of Judah’s defences are removed.]

Isaiah 4:1-2 On that Day, seven women will ask one man for help and support.
On that Day, the sprouts that the Lord has grown will become glorious in their beauty and the Land will be fruitful, the pride of the survivors in the Land.
Amos 9:13-15
[in other trans. “sprouts or plant’ is rendered ‘Branch’ and assumed to refer to Jesus, but that is wrong and the “sprouts’’, nurtured by the Lord are His faithful Christian people, as is clear from the context.]

Isaiah 4:3-6 Those who remain in Jerusalem, whose survival was decreed, will be called holy. Isaiah 6:13, Isaiah 29:1-8, Zechariah 13:8-9, Romans 9:27
When the Lord washes away the filth of Jerusalem by a spirit of judgement burning like fire, He will create a cloud by day and a flame by night over Mt Zion, to be a covering for shade and shelter. [In the same way as for ancient Israel]

Isaiah 10:17-23 The Light of Israel will become a fire, their Holy One, a flame: that in a single day will burn up and consume His enemies. Malachi 4:1&3, 2 Peter 3:7
The forests and pastures will be destroyed, only a few trees will remain. Joel 1:19-20
On that Day, the remnant of Israel, the survivors of Jacob [all 12 tribes] will set their allegiance solely on the Lord.

A remnant will return, a remnant of Jacob, will return to God, their strength.

Israel, though you are as the sands of the sea – only a remnant will return. The Lord will carry out the destruction decreed upon all of the Holy Land.
Reference, REB, NIV, KJV, some verses condensed.

Judah will be judged and the entire Middle East region will be virtually depopulated by a terrible fire from the sun and only a holy remnant will be saved. I am convinced that this Bible passage tells of events soon to happen, the coming Day of judgement onto all the world and His people; a remnant of Jacob [from all 12 tribes, plus those grafted in by reason of righteousness] going to live in all of the Promised Land, before the Return of Jesus. Ezekiel 40 to 48, Rev. 7.
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Story, had a dream I died and went to hell

I dream of three men chasing or stalking me. They look like men but are not. Three is the number of God, and to mock Him, Satan uses it too.
Sounds like a "heads up". No fear. Rebuke in Jesus name and the blood of Jesus over you.

Can you elaborate more on the 3s. Very interested.
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Like every leaf that trembles, like every grain of sand.

For those interested in Calvinist beliefs I offer the following two links


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Silence In Heaven For Half An Hour

Marking this post for a revisit on 1/1/32 to see where you move the goalposts this time. I must say it is impressive how you never tire of moving the goalposts after each failed prediction.
Well, I don't worry, as everything will be changed when the Sixth Seal; Day of fiery wrath strikes.

The truth is: the Seventh Seal is simply a time gap of about 20 earth years, which I see as extending past the glorious Return.

The Lord is not slow in the fulfilment of His plans.
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Pope captures hard truth: American Catholics destined to be ‘politically homeless’

BWAP. Good for you and thanks for sharing that. I fully expect to be fired at some point for not participating in the insanity of using multiple pronouns.
Stand your ground. You do not have to been mean or cause a scene. Just call them by their proper name and refuse pronouns. I was assigned to help remove the breasts of 19yr old girl and I refused.
They accommodated me but were not happy.

They were probably setting me up to fire me for my beliefs, so they assigned me to assist with a gall bladder in a woman that wanted to be called a man’s name. Probably to see what I would do.
I am a physician, and everyone deserves health care regardless of other issues. That is human dignity and their right as created in the image of God. I would not refuse to help.
When taking to her, I used her requested name but did not communicate so as to use pronouns.
When giving report, I said she without thinking about it. I was not corrected and did not apologize. My brain was just not thinking he, when she had full breasts and only a hint of a beard. I gave her anethesia just as I would for anyone else and had no problem
The question then becomes, if I say everyone deserves healthcare regardless of who they are, how do I justify refusing to assist in abortions, sterilizations and transgender surgery? Are not those procedures “healthcare”?

I thought about it, and it came to me, they certainly are not. Healthcare enhances the health of the patient without question, or at least it is intended to enhance health.

Abortion ends the life of a human being, tubal ligation and vasectomies mutilate a healthy body for pure pleasure. Transgender surgery is also a mutilation of a healthy body.

They are called healthcare because the advocates “believe” it will make their life better. Others disagree. Wait a minute, what do we do with other’s beliefs?
The US constitution says that Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of a religion. By calling these procedures “healthcare”, the government is effectively establishing a religion and commanding universal adherence. That is unconstitutional.! These procedures are religious rituals designed to give one faith preference over another. The US constitution says that we cannot do that, but we are being duped into doing just that.
What does that mean? Well I have standing because I was prevented from practicing my profession because I declined to participate in another religion. If I could find a lawyer willing to take the case to the Supreme Court, I would argue that these procedures be removed from all institutions which receive federal funding, based on the establishment clause

We have freedom of religion, so these religious procedures should be taken out of hospitals and placed in religious settings

All these states are passing these laws of their constitutional right to abortion. I say ok, do that, but it is illegal for you to use federal funds to do it or even state funds, or allow them to be performed in secular institutions. Go to your own house of worship to perform your religious rituals and pay for them yourselves

Insurance cannot be required to cover abortion or birth control. Those that want it will have to get a religious policy, or would you like your insurance money to go to my parish, so I may continue to receive the Eucharist and Penance?
Oh you object? Now you know how I feel


Far fetched? Maybe, but the argument is sound. These procedures are healthcare only because people believe they are healthcare. That makes them religious rituals and not constitutional for the government to establish them and demand universal obedience

This will be my testimony in federal court if asked on the stand
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Radicals on Both Sides of Political Divide See Violence as Justified.

Amid Trump’s Incendiary Rhetoric, Radicals on Both Sides of Political Divide See Violence as Justified​

  • Trump has used more incendiary language than Democrats, but he is the one who has been targeted.
  • Polls show that most voters fear political violence if their own candidate wins in November and the other side refuses to accept the result.
Robert A. Pape, a political scientist who studies political violence, has little doubt that former President Trump has made more incendiary comments than Vice President Kamala Harris.

The problem, however, is what his research tells him: Both sides of the political spectrum have radical elements that see violence as justified if it means stopping Trump from gaining power (10% of adults) or making sure Trump returns to the White House (7%).

But the lines Republicans are drawing for Democrats is confounding at times because they include criticizing Democrats for quoting Trump’s own words. Scott Jennings, a Trump supporter who regularly appears on CNN, went after Harris on Monday.

“I mean, she repeats it herself. ‘Trump will be a dictator on Day 1,’” Jennings said. “I mean, this country fights dictators.”

The problem? Trump, who has repeatedly threatened retribution against political opponents if elected, was asked in a December interview in Iowa by Fox News host Sean Hannity whether he would abuse his power if he goes back to the White House.

“Except for Day One...,” Trump said. “We’re closing the border and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.”

Ari Fleischer, a former press secretary to President George W. Bush, made a similar critique in an L.A. Times interview Tuesday, calling out Harris for repeating Trump’s 2022 plea for “termination” of parts of the Constitution to put him back in office. Fleischer did not appear to realize Harris was quoting Trump when she made those remarks. But when pressed, he said Harris needed to use more context to avoid raising tensions.

What saves, in my opinion

-It is when faith is defined as obeying. An example that is often used, is the. If you do not sit in the chair, then you do not really believe it will support you and not collapse.​

There is no test to as whether a person has believed in Jesus.
One test of saving faith is obedience in one's life after salvation by faith only.

Obedience does not prove true faith, but no obedience proves no true faith.
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scripture for helping with emotional development for personal relating . . .

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

From this, I see that there are emotions to put away. It does not say to keep them and "channel" their energy for what is good.

After all >

"the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God." (in James 1:20)

So, I see, if an emotion is not doing us good, we need how God is able to remove it . . . not keep it and try to channel it or negotiate with it. Just get rid of it!!

And instead, "be kind" . . . "tenderhearted". And forgive, "even as God in Christ forgave you."

If we read how God wants us to forgive, right away we can see that we need to end our relationships with certain emotions. We need how God is able to change us emotionally so we are always ready to forgive generously, like Jesus on the cross > Jesus *prayed* >

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34)

There is more we can share about this. Others are welcome to join in.
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Let It Fall Here by Mountain People Worship

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Father God we are one
We're your sons under the sun
Come again with your life
As your bride fights to unite

And we will see your
Glory in the morning light
Glory falling like a fire
Glory as we come united
We will see your
Glory in the morning light
Glory falling like a fire
Glory as we come united

Let it fall here where the world has forgotten
Let it fall here and the fallen will stand
Let it fall here where there's bones there's an army
Let it fall here
Let it fall

Father God we want more
We won't stop chasing your heart

Until will see your
Glory in the morning light
Glory falling like a fire
Glory as we come united
We will see your
Glory in the morning light
Glory falling like a fire
Glory as we come united

Let it fall here where the world has forgotten
Let it fall here and the fallen will stand
Let it fall here where there's bones there's an army
Let it fall here
Let it fall

Come like a rushing water
Come like a mighty wind
Come let your Holy Spirit
Fall on us again
Come like a rushing water
Come like a mighty wind
Come let your Holy Spirit
Fall on us again
Come like a rushing water
Come like a mighty wind
Come let your Holy Spirit
Fall on us again
Come like a rushing water
Come like a mighty wind
Come let your Holy Spirit
Fall on us again

Let it fall here where the world has forgotten
Let it fall here and the fallen will stand
Let it fall here where there's bones there's an army
Let it fall here
Let it fall

Fall fall fall
Let it fall
Fall fall fall
Let it fall
This song has very wonderful words of worship to the Lord God and our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. Also, I like the country vibe of the style of the lead singer and the music.

Amen and Hallelujah, my sister.
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UN demands Israel withdraw to pre-1967 borders within a year, limiting Israel’s ability to fight terrorism

From the OP article:
The resolution, the first proposed by the Palestinian delegation since being granted diplomatic privileges in May, was approved with 124 nations voting in favor, 14 against and 43 abstentions.
The 14 U.N. member states who voted against the UNGA motion are Argentina, the Czech Republic, Fiji, Hungary, Israel, Malawi, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Tonga, Tuvalu and the United States.
The 43 countries that abstained from the vote included nations that have recently moved toward withholding arms sales to Israel, including Australia, Canada, Germany and the United Kingdom.
Following the vote, Oren Marmorstein, the spokesman for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, posted a message to X calling it “a distorted decision that is disconnected from reality, encourages terrorism and harms the chances for peace.”
In particular, Marmorstein slammed the resolution for ignoring the issue of Palestinian terrorism targeting Israeli civilians. The resolution makes no mention of the Hamas atrocities of October 7, or the ongoing Gaza War which resulted from that attack.
“The General Assembly decision bolsters and strengthens the Hamas terrorist organization and the Iranian terrorist state that stands behind it,” Marmorstein said.
“The resolution sends a message that terrorism pays off and yields international resolutions.”
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Micah said to him, “Stay with me, and be to me a FATHER and a priest"

Judges 17:

5 And the man Micah had a shrine, and he made an ephod and household gods, and ordained one of his sons, who became his priest. 6 In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.
It was all against the law of Moses.

7 Now there was a young man of Bethlehem in Judah, of the family of Judah, who was a Levite, and he sojourned there. 8 And the man departed from the town of Bethlehem in Judah to sojourn where he could find a place. And as he journeyed, he came to the hill country of Ephraim to the house of Micah. 9 And Micah said to him, “Where do you come from?” And he said to him, “I am a Levite of Bethlehem in Judah, and I am going to sojourn where I may find a place.”
The young man was a Levite. Micah's biological son was not.

10 And Micah said to him, “Stay with me, and be to me a father and a priest,
Strong's Hebrew: 1. אָב (ab) — 1212 Occurrences

H1 was polysemantic. Meaning #8 in Brown-Driver-Briggs: 8. term of respect & honour

Micah used H1 metaphorically as a term of respect.

and I will give you ten pieces of silver a year and a suit of clothes and your living.” And the Levite went in. 11 And the Levite was content to dwell with the man, and the young man became to him like one of his sons.
The father/priest was like Micah's biological son.

Later, the Danites used the same terminology in Judges 18:

19 "Be quiet," they told him. "Put your hand over your mouth and come with us and be a father and a priest to us. Is it better for you to be a priest for the house of one person or a priest for a tribe and family in Israel?"
What was a father/priest?

It's a term of respect and authority, similar to how Catholic priests are called "Father" today.

Police arrest Muslim who vowed to ‘kill the God of the Jews’ in London church

That’s pretty strange since Muslims worship the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

Or so they claim, but really, the Islamic deity bears no resemblance to the our God, the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity, but is instead an idol, according to the Masoretic reading of Psalm 96 v. 5* (The gods of the gentiles are idols).

This is made evident by the fact that the Islamic God is not the God of Love and infinite Mercy we find in the Bible, but rather an abjectly evil tormentor.

It also seems clear that the supposed appearance of the Archangel Gabriel, “Jibreel” who inspired the initial visions of Muhammad was a demon.

This corresponds with the Septuagint version of the aforementioned Psalm, which is Psalm. 95. v. 5 in the Septuagint due to differences in Septuagint versification, which states “the gods of the gentiles are demons.”

In this case I regard the two readings as complementary rather than contradictory (much like how minor variations in the accounts of certain events in the Gospels are complementary rather than contradictory, which is why I really have no use for “Gospel harmonies” such as Tatian’s Diatessaron. Every attempt at merging the four books into one unified narrative is less than the sum of its parts.
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Muslim donor's blood denied for donation to sick Hindu woman at Indian hospital

An incident at the district hospital in Panna, Madhya Pradesh, has ignited public outrage after a Muslim man was refused the opportunity to donate blood for a critically ill Hindu woman.

The refusal, captured on video and circulated widely on social media, has drawn sharp criticism, with many condemning the communal overtones of the situation.

According to reports, the incident occurred when Pawan Sonkar, a resident of Ajaygarh, brought his mother to the district hospital for treatment. His mother was diagnosed with a severe blood deficiency, and the attending doctors urgently requested him to arrange a blood donor. In response, Sonkar brought his friend, Raja Khan, a Muslim, to donate blood.

Continued below.

My protestant brethren, and those who eschew that name, do you think about the pope too much?

As a Baptist, you may question whether Baptists are entirely orthodox in the eyes of Catholic doctrine. It is our belief that they are not. Therefore, how can one accurately evaluate Pope Francis's statements, made in Italian, when one's theological perspective is not Catholic? This suggests that one may not be suitably positioned to pass such judgment.
Using that measure, it would then disqualify my Catholic Brothers and Sister from any comments on any Doctrine outside of the Roman Catholic Church. Because they may not be suitably positioned to pass such judgement.

In this case, we have the very words of Our Lord and Savior very plainly and that circumvents any authority on earth including the pope’s complete contradiction to Jesus.
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Fellowship The gifts of healings (Read the ruleset before you post)

From my experiences is we don’t own the gifts.

Those eager to serve filled with and a strong desire to love the Lord and others through His help…
Are like the servants who have talents and do not bury them but increase the Lords love poured out for others.


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