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Sumera Bibi and her husband with portraits of their forcibly converted and married daughters who were kidnapped in Kasur District, Pakistan, on July 23, 2024. | Christian Daily International-Morning Star News

LAHORE, Pakistan — A high court in Pakistan has ordered police to recover two Christian sisters, ages 13 and 18, who were forcibly converted to Islam and married to their abductors, the family’s attorney said.

After police refused to make efforts to recover Neha Javed and her older sister, Saneha Javed, following their July 23 kidnapping in Pattoki Tehsil, Kasur District, Lahore High Court Justice Muhammad Tariq Nadeem on Wednesday ordered the police chief of Kasur District, Punjab Province, to recover them and submit a report, attorney Sumera Shafique said.

The court ordered the two girls to be recovered from Muslims Muhammad Zain and Muhammad Ali, who are brothers, Shafique said.

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Hazelelponi said:

We all change but if we do we can articulate the reasons for the change, and should be asked to when changes are so extreme and would affect public policy.

If she doesn't articulate the reasons why she's changed all her main policy positions then it's just called lying for votes.

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I agree with you 100% about how we must state the reasons why we change. Kamala did none of that. She did not articulate the reason why she changed her viewpoint.

For myself, the reasons why I have changed from liberal to centrist over the period of 2020 to 2024 is because the Democrats no longer represent a party that cares for the underdogs. They only care about Big Tech, LGTV+ agenda and pushing woke ideology onto kids more than helping the poor or homeless. What about people that are Christian? The Democrats do not care much about freedom of religion, as some states can take (read: kidnap) one's own children away for not recognizing the preferred pronoun junk.

Vambram said:

Amen, my brother.

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Amen to God for giving you Proverbs 3:5-6 as your life verse 44 years ago. Wow, the two DeGarmo and Key's songs you shared today both resonated with Proverbs 3:5-6 (Ultimate Ruler) and Sirach 2:4-7 (The Pledge). Both of these verses are in this devotional about how we must trust in God's plan.

Vambram said:

I love the classic cars and bike in this video, too. It is cool that you referenced Proverbs 3:5-6 because, over 44 years ago, I prayed asking God for a life verse that would apply for help in trusting Him no matter what happened. For encouragement from God to yield to Him and His will. The Lord answered my prayers with Proverbs 3:5-6

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It is good we both like old-school things such as classic cars and bikes. Wow, God gave you Proverbs 3:5-6 as your life verse? That is a good verse. Goes to show how God speaks through people and experiences, as well as directly. The Proverbs are a very encouraging set of verses in general. One of my favorite verses is actually from the Psalms though.

Psalm 121:7-8 (NIV): "The Lord will keep you from all harm— he will watch over your life; the Lord will watch over your coming and going both now and forevermore."

Proverbs 3:5-6 is part of my God's Desires > Our Desires Devotional made in July 2024:

I wasn't aware of their other services until I went with a friend. She was 18 at the time and got a checkup. They had a sliding fee that was affordable.

I don't bash people about abortion. There's not a person on this earth who hasn't done something they're not ashamed of or hiding from others. When you start weighing sins you look foolish.

~bella

In the 25 years since the U.S. State Department has designated countries with the worst records of religious rights violations as “Countries of Particular Concern,” it has applied sanctions related only to those violations just three times, according to a new report.

Sanctions are among the actions the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 (IRFA) calls on administrations to impose on CPCs, but those specifically in response to religious freedom violations have been used in only 1.8% of the 164 CPC designations since 1999, all in reference to Eritrea, according to the report this week by the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF).

CPC designations resulted in application of sanctions already in place for other reasons in 67.7% of cases, USCIRF reported. In 24.4% of the CPC designations, countries violating religious freedom were granted a presidential waiver from sanctions based on “national interests.”

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Daniel Marsh said:

It turned out to be mild skin cancer in my gut. It was removed by surgery.

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I had a basal cell carcinoma removed from my cheek about three years ago or so. Scary but mild, too. I’m glad yours was mild.

BobRyan said:

But as the video points out - the head of ABC is a close personal friend of Kamala - so not too surprising their very partial presentation.

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I also don't think it's insignificant, that Linsey Davis (Tuesday's debate moderator) is sorority sisters with Kamala.

Vambram said:

I do like some songs that have slow moving beats. I think this song could have had an appropriate solemn theme even if Demon Hunter (an outstanding band) had used slow, easy listening beats with an electric guitar.

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It could be more complex. I agree with that. But it still fits the mood they were looking for here.

Tucker has started to go off the rails recently. I was never a huge fan of him (as I don't watch the news including Fox) but he's recently said some really anti-Semitic stuff. Horrible stuff, just like Candice Owens (who is an absolute hypocrite).

JimR-OCDS said:

But Harris wants to be Commander and Chief and have the authority to send Americans into combat.

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I would not think anyone wants to have the authority to send Americans into combat. I look for sound judgment in trustworthy words that reflect a compassionate servant of the people, not a narcissistic desire to be admired as the greatest and most feared strongman. Hypocritical judgment in a politician indicates they are unworthy to hold power.

JimR-OCDS said:

Harris is a career politician who has worked on polishing her rhetoric to appease voters all of
her career, whether true of false. She goes by the political winds according to the crowd she's
addressing, including using a southern black accent when she spoke before a crowd of blacks
in Atlanta Georgia.

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You mean y'all and "we gonna do it"? I've heard her talk like that many times and for many years. She was in a Black sorority. She always tends to speak that way in settings where she's comfortable displaying her Ebonics. Many people do that.

JimR-OCDS said:

Trump on the other hand, only became a politician in 2015 when he first ran for president.
He speaks his own mind in his own way, which is often politically incorrect, but that's what
makes many like him.

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I see a delusional demagogue convincing half of the country that the country is going to hell because of migrant loving Democrats who don't want America to be great again.

Vambram said:

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He died for me, I'll live for him.

It's a world of choices, patterned to confuse,
Distracting, little voices whisper what to do,
Searching for the pieces, one step from the edge,
Turn your heart to Jesus, make this solemn pledge...

He died for me, I'll live for him,
He died for me, I'll live for him.

Above all lords and regents, he is king of kings,
I'm pledging my allegiance through these words I sing,
Take this oath of service, write it on your wall,
It's our only purpose for living life at all.

He died for me, I'll live for him,
He died for me, I'll live for him,
He died for me, I'll live for him,
He died for me, I'll live for him.

He died for me, I'll live for him,
He died for me, I'll live for him,
He died for me, I'll live for him,
He died for me, I'll live for him,
He died for me, I'll live for him,
He died for me, I'll live for him,
He died for me, I'll live for him,
He died for me, I'll live for him,

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Thank you for sharing this one. The video might have been recorded off of a VHS tape.

The song reminds me of Sirach 2:4-7, where we must live for God.
Sirach 2:4-7 (NRSV-CE): "Accept whatever befalls you, and in times of humiliation be patient. For gold is tested in the fire, and those found acceptable, in the furnace of humiliation. Trust in him, and he will help you; make your ways straight, and hope in him."

Also, at 1 min, 4 seconds into the video, the man brandishing a weapon inside of the TWA aircraft happened in 1985 aboard TWA Flight 847, when a terror unit took over the jet in the Middle East:

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Mini documentary by Allec Joshua Ibay using computer animation and real footage explaining the events of June 1985 (may be disturbing to some viewers, 13 minutes):
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The cave of Machpelah was in Hebron.

Ge 35:

16 Then they journeyed from Bethel. When they were still some distance from Ephrath, Rachel went into labor, and she had hard labor. 17 And when her labor was at its hardest, the midwife said to her, “Do not fear, for you have another son.” 18 And as her soul was departing (for she was dying), she called his name Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin. 19 So Rachel died, and she was buried on the way to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem), 20 and Jacob set up a pillar over her tomb. It is the pillar of Rachel’s tomb, which is there to this day. 21Israel journeyed on and pitched his tent beyond the tower of Eder.

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Bethlehem was 40 km away from Hebron. It would have taken 2 days to get there. Jacob buried Rachel on the way to Bethlehem out of practical considerations. Much later:

27 Jacob came to his father Isaac at Mamre, or Kiriath-arba (that is, Hebron), where Abraham and Isaac had sojourned. 28 Now the days of Isaac were 180 years. 29 And Isaac breathed his last, and he died and was gathered to his people, old and full of days. And his sons Esau and Jacob buried him.

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They buried Isaac in Machpelah.

Moreover, Ge 49:

31 there they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.

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Joseph buried Jacob in Machpelah (Ge 50:12). All three pairs were buried in Machpelah.

Why didn't Jacob bury Rachel in Machpelah?

Rachel died of a sudden death while they were traveling near Bethlehem. It was expedient to bury her right there rather than taking the dead body over the next two days to bury her in Machpelah.

There was also a spiritual dimension to this. Jeremiah prophesied in 11:

15 Thus says the Lord: “A voice is heard in Ramah, lamentation and bitter weeping. Rachel is weeping for her children; she refuses to be comforted for her children, because they are no more.”

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Ramah symbolized Bethlehem.

Herod killed the innocent children in Mt 2:

16 Herod, when he saw that he had been tricked by the wise men, became furious, and he sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time that he had ascertained from the wise men. 17 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah:
18 “A voice was heard in Ramah, weeping and loud lamentation, Rachel weeping for her children; she refused to be comforted, because they are no more.”

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Why didn't Jacob bury Rachel in Machpelah?

Horizontally speaking, it was due to the practical necessity to bury her right away near Bethlehem. Vertically, God used it to prophesy Herod's massacre of the innocent children in Bethlehem after Jesus was born there.

RileyG said:

That's interesting.

Thanks for responding.

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I have Icons on my home altar but I'm moving away from them.

BPPLEE said:

The question is what about the 1/3 of the angels that were under his command?
They chose to take part in the rebellion. Could they have refused?

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They could have refused, but decided to follow. Just as some people follow or gravitate towards evil. Or maybe the devil forced 1/3 of the angels to follow evil.

Women will finally have fewer abortions? I call that a win.

What happened to Shepard was absolutely TERRIBLE, but I don't think The Lamarie Project is exactly school appropriate IMHO.

A local community helped the San José Police Department rescue four women from residential brothels in the California city, resulting in the arrest of three men in connection with the human trafficking operation.

Officers with the San José Police Department Human Trafficking Task Force executed three search warrants at three homes located on Palacio Royal Circle, Bonita Avenue, and Gifford Avenue. Before searching the homes, the police received multiple tips from members of the community, which resulted in a two-month investigation.

The SJPD's Human Trafficking Task Force revealed in a statement last Thursday that it arrested 34-year-old suspect Naisong Tong and 60-year-old Guihua Tao on Aug. 28 in San Francisco. Police booked the pair into Santa Clara County Main Jail for human trafficking. Police arrested the third suspect, 53-year-old Zhiqiang Liu, on Sept. 3 in San José, and he was also booked into the Santa Clara County Main Jail for human trafficking.

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David fought Goliath in 1 Samuel 17:

48 When the Philistine arose and came and drew near to meet David, David ran quickly toward the battle line to meet the Philistine. 49 And David put his hand in his bag and took out a stone and slung it and struck the Philistine on his forehead. The stone sank into his forehead, and he fell on his face to the ground.
50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and struck the Philistine and killed him.

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The giant's body was flat on the ground motionless, as good as dead. The Philistines were wondering: Goliath, get up.

Was he clinically dead?

I don't know. I don't think David knew either, and he was not going to check Goliath's pulse.

There was no sword in the hand of David. 51 Then David ran and stood over the Philistine and took his sword and drew it out of its sheath and killed him and cut off his head with it.

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David cut off his head to demonstrate to everyone that Goliath was dead.

When the Philistines saw that their champion was dead, they fled.

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Ya, Goliath was dead alright.

Did David kill Goliath twice?

No. It's common for Hebrew parallelism to describe a thing twice in different aspects. The first "killed" might mean "mortally wounded". The second "killed" could be understood as "finished off" to confirm the kill.

See also

• Was Goliath killed twice?

mourningdove~ said:

There is no doubt in my mind, Catholicism is under attack.

Something must be going on (?) in the diocese within which I live. (Or maybe everywhere?) Catholic churches here have begun notifying parishioners that the church doors will be locked, 5 minutes after the Mass begins. No one will be able to enter the church for Mass, after that time.

I haven't yet seen armed security at the churches here, but many churches do seem to be working towards tightening up their security. I think this is a very good idea. And hopefully there are armed parishioners within the congregation, who can 'help' should the church come under attack.

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No surprises here.

Yet the left still says Christians are being hated or persecuted.

They're hypocrites.

Lord, protect us.

Protect your people, O Lord.

Uncle AT said:

Daily Propane is my old account on CF and completely forgot my login details. After a year back in the UK taking care of things I moved back to Guangzhouto resume my career in education (I don’t want to hear anyones input about where I live unless you have something nice to say otherwise don’t bother saying anything negative). I am now living a very clean life and im straight edge (without the punk music as it’s a terrible genre) and I have settled down with my girlfriend with whom we reunited. I only look towards to the future as a good christian and hard working man whos goal is to make a more than comfortable living. My strongest drink is a pepsi and my indulgence is going for nice days out and enjoying lovely food. My hobbies are keeping fit and playing video games. I love god, family and all the great things in the world xxx

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God bless you

Did you move from China to Italy?

You can speak both languages fluently?

Take care.

All Becomes New said:

I don't know that. But I'm not the one making a claim about him being on a horse. And if you can't get a basic thing like that right, it shows you are listening to tradition over what scripture actually says.

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Brother, save yourself the frustration in this instance. There's a good reason why you can and why you should (for your own peace of mind).