UFO update – whistle blower acknowledges UFOs held by Government

[JohnEmmett]

I'm from Missouri, I have to be shown. I haven't been shown

look…
youtu.be/UQNvkJPigiQ?t=54

Stunning Off-World Alien Ship

 

[JohnEmmett]

The truth is here and now

 

[Estrid]

That is something we can agree on.

Yes, lots of variables at play.


It appears that we are in agreement that the sightings are something that can not be explained. All we have are reputable people claiming to have seen something that can not be explained.

What does Occam's razor say about something that cannot be explained?

The razor does not provide us with any guidance. If we cannot explain a phenomenon at all, then we cannot say which explanation is simpler.​

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If we were to encounter a flying saucer, we would not be able to explain it using any of the known laws of physics. We would have two options: either the flying saucer is a physical object that we do not yet understand, or it is something supernatural. Occam's razor cannot help us decide between these two options, because both of them are equally complex.​

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Do you really think it is wise to discuss a rule of thumb that is not always accurate?

What rule of thumb is

 

[Frank Robert]

What rule of thumb is

An approximation, based on practical experience rather than theory.

 

[Estrid]

An approximation, based on practical experience rather than theory

My q was what rule of thumb is always accurate.

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[Frank Robert]

What rule of thumb is

My best guess is none.

 

[Estrid]

My best guess is none.

So. "....is not always accurate" wasnt accurate. ;D

 

[Jipsah]

look…
youtu.be/UQNvkJPigiQ?t=54

Stunning Off-World Al

Nice shape for a kite.

 

[Jipsah]

What does Occam's razor say about something that cannot be explained?

Anything can be explained given sufficient information. OR says that the simplest. most parsimonious, explanation is most likely to be true. So, while alien spaces ships may be on the list of possible explanations. they're way down near the bottom. Neither simple nor parsimonious. Using OR, you'd have to exhaust all possible terrestrial explanations before you wandered off-world.
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The razor does not provide us with any guidance. If we cannot explain a phenomenon at all, then we cannot say which explanation is simpler.​

If it really can't be explained at all, then all discussion is futile. It becomes solely an article of faith. My faith lies elsewhere.

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If we were to encounter a flying saucer, we would not be able to explain it using any of the known laws of physics.​

There you've departed the envelope of controlled flight. The laws of Physics are the Laws of God, not something made up by humans. Flying saucers aren't exempt. If they have mass, then they're subject to all the constraints of any other object possesing mass. No magic allowed.

We would have two options: either the flying saucer is a physical object that we do not yet understand, or it is something supernatural.​

It it's supernatural, then we needn't worry about it. The supernatural is subject to the will of God like everything else.

Do you really think it is wise to discuss a rule of thumb that is not always accurate?​

I'd be keen to hear about any exceptions.

 

[Frank Robert]

Anything can be explained given sufficient information. OR says that the simplest. most parsimonious, explanation is most likely to be true. So, while alien spaces ships may be on the list of possible explanations. they're way down near the bottom. Neither simple nor parsimonious. Using OR, you'd have to exhaust all possible terrestrial explanations before you wandered off-world.
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You must have missed this:

UFO report: Government can't explain 143 of 144 mysterious flying objects, blames limited data

The Department of Defense established the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force in August to investigate mysterious flying objects.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Jipsah]

You must have missed this:

UFO report: Government can't explain 143 of 144 mysterious flying objects, blames limited data

The Department of Defense established the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force in August to investigate mysterious flying objects.

www.nbcnews.com

Nope, I saw it. Insufficient data ro explain what was seen. Parsimony still applies, space men and flying saucers aren't a parsimonious explanation. This ain't Star Trek.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Nice shape for a kite.

It seems you are too immature for this topic

 

[Frank Robert]

You must have missed this:

UFO report: Government can't explain 143 of 144 mysterious flying objects, blames limited data

The Department of Defense established the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force in August to investigate mysterious flying objects.

www.nbcnews.com

Nope, I saw it. Insufficient data ro explain what was seen. Parsimony still applies, space men and flying saucers aren't a parsimonious explanation. This ain't Star Trek.

you still don't get it or you are purposely making things up.

In either case:

 

[Jipsah]

It seems you are too immature for this topic

Maybe. Or maybe just not sufficiently credulous.

 

[Jipsah]

you still don't get it or you are purposely making things up.

In either case:
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Ditto. Tell Captain Picard I said hey.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Maybe. Or maybe just not sufficiently credulous.

You lack Faith

 

[Jipsah]

You lack Faith

Lack of faith in flying saucers? You betcha I do! My faith is expressed in the ancient creeds of the Church. None left for little green or grey men, photoshop starships, "defied the laws of physics" blatherskite, or any other such rubbish. Show me some credible evidence and I may change my mind. Until then, it's all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

 

[Frank Robert]

Ditto. Tell Captain Picard I said hey.

How did you know I am having lunch with the Captain today?

 

[Jipsah]

How did you know I am having lunch with the Captain today?

Magical alien powers

 

[JohnEmmett]

Show me some credible evidence and I may change my mind.

faith is necessary to accept