How Old Is The Earth

[Diamond7]

The earth and the universe was created in 6 days, approximately 6000 years ago. History supports it.

History supports Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. People look at the speed of light but they do not look at inflation or how fast the universe expands which is much faster than the speed of light.

 

[Diamond7]

I don't accept a literal account of Genesis because it is more figurative than historical.

Genesis is very Historical and very much Science. The very first thing we teach our sunday school students is about Joshua and the battle of Jericho. If you go to Jericho today you can still see the wall that came tumbling down. All these years God has preserved them for our edification. Even if they did not rebuild the wall you would think they would use the stones to build something else. But there are still there.

 

[Platte]

I don't accept a literal account of Genesis because it is more figurative than historical. But I am not here to argue that with you. Believe what you like. I think natural history as we have so far come to understand it says more awesome things about God than a literal read of Genesis.

I believe what the Bible says. You don’t. I wouldn’t argue either if I were you. God reiterated a 6 day creation when explaining the Sabbath Day. Exodus 20:11. I’m still trying to understand why you don’t accept what the Bible says (saying it’s figurative and not literal at your discretion means you don’t accept what the Bible says).

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Genesis is very Historical and very much Science. The very first thing we teach our sunday school students is about Joshua and the battle of Jericho. If you go to Jericho today you can still see the wall that came tumbling down. All these years God has preserved them for our edification. Even if they did not rebuild the wall you would think they would use the stones to build something else. But there are still there.

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What we call the "Old Testament" is a compilation of many kind of literature. Some may have historic value.
But much is more about story telling for theological purpose.

 

[Platte]

History supports Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. People look at the speed of light but they do not look at inflation or how fast the universe expands which is much faster than the speed of light.

A literal reading of the Bible tells us the God created everything in the universe, approx 6000 years ago - in 6 days.

 

[Platte]

What we call the "Old Testament" is a compilation of many kind of literature. Some may have historic value.
But much is more about story telling for theological purpose.

God giving us the history of creation and the history of the Jewish people is story telling? Wow

 

[Diamond7]

A literal reading of the Bible tells us the God created everything in the universe, approx 6000 years ago - in 6 days.

Do you understand everything in the Bible? If you do then I have a lot of questions for you. For example, just how did God make
Adam from the dust? Were you there in the beginning when God made Adam?

Job 38:4 "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding."

 

[Diamond7]

What we call the "Old Testament" is a compilation of many kind of literature.

Nothing is added to what we receive from Moses. Only Jesus can add to what Moses tells us.

 

[Platte]

Do you understand everything in the Bible? If you do then I have a lot of questions for you. For example, just how did God make
Adam from the dust? Were you there in the beginning when God made Adam?

Job 38:4 "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding."

I know what God has told us in the Bible. I don’t make things up like you tend to.

 

[Diamond7]

I know what God has told us in the Bible. I don’t make things up like you tend to.

People are always guilty of what they accuse others of. I would not know if you did not tell on yourself like this. We need to go beyond what God says to study the language that He uses to say or speak to us. Even we are told that Jesus is the word of God. Jesus is the revelation of God and He is the logos or the logic and reason of God. I had a pastor who said we are to have the Mind of Christ and the Diving thoughts of God.

Philippians 2 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus:

I can give you around 300 scriptures' that talk about what it means to have the Mind of Christ. Can you even give me three? Or should we just use our imagination and make things up?

• “I pray that the light of God will illuminate the eyes of your imagination, flooding you with light, until you experience the full revelation of the hope of his calling—that is, the wealth of God’s glorious inheritances that he finds in us, his holy ones!” (Ephesians 1:18)

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Nothing is added to what we receive from Moses. Only Jesus can add to what Moses tells us.

Did Moses write of his own death?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

God giving us the history of creation and the history of the Jewish people is story telling? Wow

Most of it is not history but theology.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I’m still trying to understand why you don’t accept what the Bible says (saying it’s figurative and not literal at your discretion means you don’t accept what the Bible says).

For one thing, it is the collection of documents of one culture, the Jews. God is the creator of all peoples and all times.

 

[Platte]

People are always guilty of what they accuse others of. I would not know if you did not tell on yourself like this. We need to go beyond what God says to study the language that He uses to say or speak to us. Even we are told that Jesus is the word of God. Jesus is the revelation of God and He is the logos or the logic and reason of God. I had a pastor who said we are to have the Mind of Christ and the Diving thoughts of God.

Philippians 2 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus:

I can give you around 300 scriptures' that talk about what it means to have the Mind of Christ. Can you even give me three? Or should we just use our imagination and make things up?

• “I pray that the light of God will illuminate the eyes of your imagination, flooding you with light, until you experience the full revelation of the hope of his calling—that is, the wealth of God’s glorious inheritances that he finds in us, his holy ones!” (Ephesians 1:18)

So use your mind...your Christ Mind. Why do you not believe EVERYTHING was created 6000 years ago? Perhaps your mind can begin with Why was EVERYTHING created?

Btw. Using your Mind as Christ has given you doesn’t give you liberty to change what the Bible says.

 

[Platte]

For one thing, it is the collection of documents of one culture, the Jews. God is the creator of all peoples and all times.

So you don't accept the what the Bible says because God selected the Jews to deliver the message?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

So you don't accept the what the Bible says because God selected the Jews to deliver the message?

You are framing it all wrong.
The Jews are one people among many. God provides revelation to all people. They receive it in their own context, thus many religions. The Jews share with us a powerful narrative of friendship, salvation, faithfulness, and sacrifice. These are some of the most important aspects of our existence. These are what we should be gleaning form the Bible. Not Literal 6 day creation a few thousand years ago.

 

[Aaron112]

So use your mind...your Christ Mind. Why do you not believe EVERYTHING was created 6000 years ago? Perhaps your mind can begin with Why was EVERYTHING created?

The human mind does not want the truth.
Until a person is a new creation, they cannot think Jesus' thoughts.

 

[Aaron112]

Most of it is not history but theology.

A book of theology, a book of history, a book of truth,
delivered by the Creator,
is better than all the books of mankind about anything else ever.

For one thing, it is the collection of documents of one culture, the Jews. God is the creator of all peoples and all times.

The Creator determined before creating anything
to entrust His Word to the Jews
and for salvation to be available to all men through the Jews.

All the gentile nations were without Christ and without hope in the world.

 

[Diamond7]

Why do you not believe EVERYTHING was created 6000 years ago?

WHY? Because I believe God talks to us though science. We should not put limits on God to say He only does this or that.

I believe Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. Everything in the Bible is a history of the last 6,000 years.

Then we have Genesis chapter one. IF we follow science then the first day was 8 billion years. This means the word "day" means more then a 24 hour day, it means an age or an era. We disagree over the definition of ONE word in the Bible.

Although God created everything in a trillionth of a second. So if you want to say it took Him a whole week to do what HE did in an instant, then I suppose you are free to do what you want.

 

[ViaCrucis]

If a thousand years for us is but a day for God, in God's eyes this should make the earth 7 + 6 = 13 days old, am I right ?

That's not what St. Peter is talking about. Peter is not giving a formula of time for God that converts millennia into days, or days into millennia. Peter is saying time doesn't matter to God, so for us humans for which a single day and a thousand years are vastly different, for God there isn't any difference. So long periods of time matter to us, because we are tiny little mortal men with trivially short lifespans; but God is God--so when God keeps a promise, He keeps His promise, even if from our vantage point it takes a very long time. Peter's underlying point is this: You can trust that Christ will return, this is God's promise and it will happen, even if it is taking a long time from your perspective, nevertheless God will keep His promise: Jesus will return. Trust that.

As far as the age of the earth, don't use the Bible to do geological math. That's not an answer the Bible has, that's like trying to find a recipe for pecan pie in the Bible, it's just not what the Bible is interested in telling us, this is not a question the Bible addresses.

If you want to know how old the earth is you have to start looking at physical stuff to study. If you want to know how old a tree is, you can find that out by counting the tree rings. If you take an ice core sample, you can count the layers of annual melts and freezes to see how long that place has been frozen. You can know what the rate of atomic decay of certain elements are, then study samples of rock or fossils and do the math. Taking various disciplines of study, using a multitude of scientific processes, it is possible to learn how old things are, and work with these to figure out how old our planet is.

Over the last couple centuries, scientists have been learning how to do this, and doing this. And the more we study, the more we learn. At present, given everything we have learned, the scientific consensus is that earth is about 4.5 billion years old. That number might change, as science is always self-correcting, but given current knowledge that is the most accurate information we have available.

-CryptoLutheran