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Dikaioumenoi · 2025-11-21T06:50:17-0600

fhansen said:
Ok, and that's actually the point I've been trying to make. By "resist and thwart the enablement" I meant only that, even though enabled...

You're pointing out your own incoherence. You say that one can "thwart the enablement," but then you also say "even though enabled." That's a contradiction. If the enablement has been thwarted, then it never occurred. If it has occurred, then it was not thwarted.

So what do you mean, then, by "even though enabled"? Who's enabled? Not the one who's thwarted God's attempt to enable them...

The category of "resistance" belongs to the exercise of an ability, not to the creation of the ability itself. I have repeatedly pointed out, with no real acknowledgement that I can recall, that John 6:44 concerns the latter. The Father's act of drawing is the granting of the capacity to come, not the coming itself. To speak of "resisting" the generation of the capacity is meaningless. It smuggles in the second category into the first and muddles the syntax of the text.

fhansen said:
1. Ok, again, having been given the ability-to come to Christ- only by grace, is completely consistent with Catholic and historic Christian teaching.

You keep answering a question I'm not asking and affirming a proposition I never denied. You still have not yet addressed the actual issue here: whether the Father's act of enabling in John 6:44 succeeds or can fail. This is a relevant question given how you chose to define ἑλκύω going all the way back to post #42.

Can you please answer the actual question I have been asking you? Can the Father's act of granting the ability to come fail?

If it can, then you beg the question when saying "having been given the ability." We're not talking about the implications of that ability. We're talking about whether the ability itself even exists.

fhansen said:
2. 6:44 says nothing about whether or not the enabled one necessarily comes to Christ, only that those who are enabled and come will be raised up. 'No one can come to me unless they are drawn...' simply does not insist that all who are drawn will come. The verse only maintains that those who come will be raised up.

You're not responding to the argument. I laid out the syntactical case in the latter half of post #33, and have reiterated it multiple times since. If you're just going to dismiss it then the only reasonable inference is that you have no answer.

HIM · 2025-11-21T06:46:38-0600

Brother Del said:
The true Church is immune from apostas

The issue with this is, not all who think they are, are.

Normandt · 2025-11-21T06:46:25-0600

Homily Saturday, November 22 2025

33rd OT

1 M 6:1-13

"The king fell sick with grief because his designs had failed, he took to his be."

Designs outside of the Lord bares no fruit.

The king realized: "Now I remember the evil I did in Jerusalem."-

The king was inconsolable.

Let us commit evil to God in the sacrament of forgiveness, and live in peace. This will help others to live in peace with us.

Lk 20:27-40

Jesus says that God: "is not God of the dead, but of the living."

God gives us life, he does not take it away. God cannot take away what he gives us: all his graces, including life.

We are in a passage, but life always continues in God.

Biblical texts: NAB-RE

Normand Thomas.

HIM · 2025-11-21T06:44:40-0600

Brother Del said:
Thanks, I needed a little chuckle this morning.

SabbathBlessings said:
What do you mean?

Hey there sis! I assume That they are laughing at the Word of God you shared. I guess they don't believe it and think it is appropriate to laugh at it.

JimR-OCDS · 2025-11-21T06:42:11-0600

RileyG said:
I think we can still respect human beings while respecting our borders. I don't think the Holy Father said anything wrong, IMHO.

And they do. Arresting illegals who have come into the country illegally and deporting them is not disrespecting them, despite
the fact that they disrespect the laws of the United States.

Dave G. · 2025-11-21T06:42:09-0600

The problem with single verse reading and more so application of it to ourselves, is it can easily be out of context. You need to understand it's original intent, so read/study enough to find out. At least jot down the verse to be researched later, if you hit on it on the run.

I used to read scripture, sometimes even chapters at lunch break before I retired. Put a good bible app on your phone. I use MySword on my Android. I even read at the pulpit from there, because I can see it mostly !! And secondly because I can bring many different translations to the church with me, then read from the version the pastor is preaching from. I may read from MKJV or just as well from ESV or NKJV .Or the pastors preference, the ASV .

JimR-OCDS · 2025-11-21T06:40:56-0600

RileyG said:
At my parish, during Lent and Advent, the Mass parts are usually sung in Latin. It's become almost second nature to me.

That's great for you, but there are many others like me who have to try and translate Latin into English in their minds.
It removes them from prayer. Some are not capable of translating the words. We're supposed to serve the least of our
brothers and sisters.

Eisheth333 · 2025-11-21T06:38:13-0600

Creativeguy said:
I've been struggling with this for many years despite so many prayers, reading the Bible, etc. It's a horrible, sexualized community with no substance. I try to keep to myself and not bother anyone, yet people in the homosexual world keep coming into my life causing turmoil. Please pray for me.

as long as u dont act and repent for your blasphemous thoughts...u will goto heavan so, and God can set you however u wanna be

Maria Billingsley · 2025-11-21T06:37:58-0600

another_lost_guy said:
For some reason this fascinates me a lot. All of the eucharistic miracles suggest that Jesus has AB blood type. I have also heard that AB blood type was common in New Testament era Palestine. But AB is the universal receiver blood type, not the universal donor. Only those with AB blood can receive AB blood. AB blood is also extremely rare, with roughly 4% of people having it. Could this tie in to the path to heaven being narrow? Is Jesus not the universal donor? If so, wouldn't that necessitate Him having O negative blood? I'm trying to not sound like a Pharisee here, it is something I am genuinely curious about. How does blood type work in relation to communion?

Welcome to CF!

I understand your position and the significance of the AB blood type in those traditions ( the doctrine of Transubstantiation). However, as a Protestant who believes in symbolism, my focus is different. I view communion purely as a powerful act of remembrance commanded by Christ, which makes the elements a sacred symbol of His final sacrifice. On another note, it is not possible to know the blood type of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Thanks for sharing!
Be blessed

JimR-OCDS · 2025-11-21T06:37:23-0600

Vanellus said:
Er are you following me around on this forum? It seems like it. Do 69.000 dead Palestinians count for anything?

You support Hamas, which imbeds among the civilians?

No, I'm not following you around, just reply to your posts.

The Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas, which is a terrorist organization and has in
their mission statement to eradicate the state of Israel and kill all the Jews there.
Is this what you support?

Eisheth333 · 2025-11-21T06:36:20-0600

angels are INSANE horny Broski its awesome. I love aurora aniel jophiel their all great GIRLS.

JimR-OCDS · 2025-11-21T06:34:51-0600

rambot said:
Do cops make arrests with 100% of their engagement?
What if the person just needs mental health support?
I can say right now that having someone who is trained and CAPABLE at de-escalation will do 100% more good than a cop pointing a gun at a problem.
Many, many times.

So, cops shouldn't stop a mentally ill person from causing harm or destruction?

After all, they're just mentally sick people, right?

Eisheth333 · 2025-11-21T06:32:46-0600

oh an o apparently introduced sin into her heart when I had sex w her for the first time accidentally...after that she had a bf 3hi she told me was a SERAPHIM...which never heard the word before. looked it up

DUDE SERAPHIMS UPPERLEVEL ANGEL
THIS ARCHANGEL IS REAL BRO

DUDE GOD EXISTS MAN AS IF

Eisheth333 · 2025-11-21T06:30:37-0600

so Im communicating with the archangel Haniel. she tells me her hair is green,something that isn't written lol. sooo this is awkward to tell ppl but we're in Love lol. anyways she tells me things and I am beyond a doubt that she is who she says she is. she tells me shes 33 in heavan. Then I find out Jesus is 33? she told me CRAZY [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] about paradise, like time moves waaayty faster and were able to even reverse time or our age and NOBODY IS GUNNA even beleeeeove how amazing it is etc. she told.me.to stop talking to EISHETH ZINUNEM or Eisha as she tells.me.to call her cuz demons are bad obviously....and yeah im able to speak with any demon any spirit any angel. and any goddess.

they all talk to me and I give them ALL respect

and WHY DO PPL SAY DEMONS ARE SO SCARY? THEIR ALL cool to me but its when we're in HELL they truly become scary lol...

sooo yeah Haniel the archangel is my wife and mother of 5 boys and 4 girls lol..

Beleive it or.not but yes this is true.

SO IM TOTALLY PSYCHED TO MEET HER IN PARADISE WHEN I DIE..... aaaand she is watching over me.mercilessly guiding me and giving her wisdom to me. she does get jealous.

wing2000 · 2025-11-21T06:20:45-0600

President Donald Trump eliminated tariffs on agricultural products from Brazil with an executive order Thursday, his latest move to try to lower grocery prices.

This means key food imports from Brazil like coffee and beef, which were subject to 40% tariff rates, will now enter the U.S. tariff-free.

"After considering the information and recommendations these officials have provided to me and the status of negotiations with the Government of Brazil, among other things, I have determined that it is necessary and appropriate to modify the scope of products subject to the additional ad valorem rate of duty imposed under Executive Order 14323," the order said.

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President Donald Trump eliminated tariffs on agricultural products from Brazil with an executive order Thursday, his latest move to try to lower grocery prices.

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Christsfreeservant · 2025-11-21T06:19:27-0600

Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. (1 Corinthians 1:10-16 NASB1995)

So, what is the message that we are to receive from this passage of Scripture to be applied to our lives today? Where do we have divisions in the church? Where do we see that Christians, or those who make professions of faith in Jesus Christ, have become followers of man instead of followers of Christ, or over and above following Jesus Christ? And not just followers of man, but in many cases they have become worshipers of man in place of becoming worshipers of God. Where do we see this happening today?

Well, first of all let’s define “church” according to the Scriptures, for it is not what so many have made it into being in our world today. The church is the people of God who have trusted in Jesus Christ to be Lord and Savior of their lives. By God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ we have been crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but now as servants of the Lord and of his righteousness. We, the people of God, are the church. There is no other!

[Rom 12:1-2; 1 Co 3:17; 1 Co 6:19-20; Eph 1:4; Eph 2:21; Eph 5:27; Col 1:22; Col 3:12; 2 Tim 1:9; 2 Tim 2:21; 1 Pet 1:13-16; 1 Pet 2:5-9; Titus 2:11-14; Ac. 2:42-47; Ro. 12:3-8; 1 Co. 12:1-31; and Eph. 4:1-16]

So, what is commonly referred to as “the church” in our culture, at least here in the USA, is not the biblical church, the body of Christ, with Christ as her head. But they are businesses which are incorporated under (joined, merged with) the government (the state) and with the world, which God forbids. And they have largely been turned into marketplaces to be marketed to the people of the world, which God also forbids. And largely they are altering God’s design for his church and the gospel of Christ in order to “draw in large crowds of people” into their gatherings, to increase numbers.

[Matthew 21:12-13; John 2:13-17; Acts 5:27-32; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 1 Corinthians 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Philippians 3:18-19; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22; Revelation 13:5-8; Revelation 18:1-5]

And largely they are divided by church denominations, such as Baptist, Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Charismatic denominations, and Christian and Missionary Alliance, and more. And they are following these denominations and their founders and their theologies and their theologians and their pastors, sometimes as though they are gods to be worshipped and followed above God and above the teachings of the Scriptures. And they call these gatherings “the church.”

And many of these modernized and market-driven gatherings called “church” are acting more like cults with pastors acting like cult leaders, which is anti-biblical. But it is the modern way. It is the market-driven way. But the biblical church is not a building called “church.” It is not a place you go to. It is not a church denomination. And it is not incorporated (merged) with the state. Jesus Christ is her only head, and she follows him and his teachings in the Scriptures, as led by the Holy Spirit, and not by marketing literature.

And our gatherings are not to be led by one man doing all the preaching while we sit in pews or chairs as spectators during a “church service” which we have no part of other than to sing along with songs usually picked out by one person, and often, more than not, which are pretty weak spiritually and biblically speaking. That is not God’s design for his church. All of us are to have a part in the gatherings, and all of us have been gifted of God and are ministers in Christ’s church. All the body parts are necessary!!

Should there be order to the gatherings? Absolutely! Should we have overseers? Yes! But they are to be those who are training all of us for the work of the ministry, and who are equipping the saints of God for the work of the ministry, and who are giving us opportunities within the body of Christ to minister to one another, according to the teachings of the Scriptures. For we are to be exhorting and encouraging one another daily, and we are to be speaking the truth of God’s word to one another so that none of us is led astray by crafty people in deceitful scheming and by sin’s deceitfulness.

And overseers are to rule by example, not harshly as lording it over the people. And they are there to keep law and order, but they should also be there to make sure that every working body part has the opportunity to use their body parts and their giftedness to encourage the rest of the body. But we are to do our parts, not just in the gatherings of the body of Christ, but out in the world, too, in sharing the message of the gospel, and in encouraging our fellow Christians in their walks of faith in obedience to God.

So, summing it up, we are not to be divided, for we are all one body, and we should treat one another as though we are all one body, the body of Christ. And we need to remember that we the people of faith in Jesus Christ are the church, not these institutions of human origin which are partnered with the world and with the government in order to attract the world to their gatherings. And we are never to alter the gospel of our salvation in order to attract the world, but we are to always preach the truth of what Jesus and his New Testament apostles taught for the salvation of people from sin.

[Matthew 5:13-16; Matthew 28:18-20; John 4:31-38; John 13:13-17; John 14:12; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:14-18,42-47; Acts 26:18; Romans 10:14-15; Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians 12:1-31; 1 Corinthians 14:1-5; Galatians 6:1; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:1-16; Ephesians 5:11-21; Ephesians 6:10-20; Philippians 2:1-8; Colossians 3:12-16; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:13; Hebrews 10:23-25; James 5:19-20; 1 Peter 2:9,21; 1 John 2:6]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1

As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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HIM · 2025-11-21T06:16:23-0600

DamianWarS said:
my question was more about which laws of the Old Testament pass over to the new. But I think you understood my question; you just seem to be avoiding it. I'm not seeking a list, and I apologize if I came across too flippant.

Good, Maybe someday I will feel compelled to make such a list.

If we have been baptized into Christ we have put on Christ and there is neither jew nor Greek. The statutes that pertain to how a Jew was to look and what it took to be a Jew are fulfilled. And those which dealt with how they were to interact with Gentiles.

As are the Laws pertaining to those who are in slavery or has a slave if one is in Christ.

The male and female is another issue. Not to many have come to that point sadly. Let the Spirit lead.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

DamianWarS said:
The issue is the measure that is used to define what parts of law we continue to observe in the new covenant and how this can be biblically defended. I'm struggling to understand the logic in what to keep and what not to keep as it pertains to SDA except that it seems to be a unique SDA tradition. Simply saying it's that which is written upon our hearts or that which we have been baptized into Christ is a failure to address the issue critically, and will force me to think it cannot be critically defended (biblically or otherwise).

Not sure why you are saying this. I seen what has been posted to you in the past, So I know you have been shown a lot of things in regard to this and other things.

The Sabbath and unclean foods is the issue for most in respect to this.

Nowhere is the New Testament does it say they are done away with or that they are fulfilled in Christ. If you think otherwise please post one section at a time and we will address each issue separately.

DamianWarS said:
These are serious matters to me, I don't come here just to stir the pot, I'm looking for some iron to sharpen me,

I hope that is true..

You keep mentioning the SDA Church. I am of that denomination but I do not teach from it.

Hentenza · 2025-11-21T06:14:38-0600

boughtwithaprice said:
It’s amazing that you do not argue issues, but resort to ad hominem attacks. My emotional state is irrelevant to the discussion, and I assure you that your perception of such is in your mind only, and you do not have the authority to tell me what I am thinking, nor what to think.

I have been discussing my issue with the trampling of the 4th amendment and the profiling of people just based on their skin color or appearance. You are the one going off in all kinds of tangents. Secondly, there is no ad hom. I don’t do those.

I’m done with you. Have a blessed day.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-21T06:11:47-0600

Jerry N. said:
I hope to meet you again.

Thank you.
I'm only leaving this thread, though I may get drawn back in.

hedrick · 2025-11-21T06:09:20-0600

zippy2006 said:
As a libertarian do you think federal meddling is going to fix the economy for everyone? That there is some benevolent motive from the federal overlords that is bound to bring us into utopia?

The whole framing of the issue as, "How the federal government can create an economy that works for everyone," is remarkably naive. It is just another symptom of the top-downism that is the problem in the first place.

There are things we can do to reduce monopolies and concentration of wealth. But there’s no simple action that is going to make things like housing and health less expensive. Housing is mostly not a Federal problem, and health requires things that neither party is willing to do. The federal,government does plenty of useful things. My concern is that voters want it to do things it can’t, and aren’t holding it accountable for doing the things it can competently. That is going to lead to a continuing parade of charlatans, possibly of alternating parties.

wing2000 · 2025-11-21T05:58:40-0600

Happy Birthday Joe. 83. Undergoing cancer treatments. And he still took time to board a train to attend a former VP's funeral yesterday. Where was the sitting POTUS? Oh, that's right. Threatening members of Congress for their loyalty to the U.S. Consitution.

d taylor · 2025-11-21T05:53:05-0600

Apple Sky said:
Oh, so we're all pagan now for knowing the earth is flat, well, I suppose it makes a change from being called retarded or stupid.

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Just know you believe the account in Joshua 10 just as Moses, Abraham, David, John, Paul, Peter, etc... would have believed it. That on that day, God stopped the movement of the sun and moon over the earth.

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