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Church is boring

Well, everyone sings and there’s no music. I don’t like to sing, so I listen ir sing in my head. Then it’s like a RC where we get crackers and little wine things, and take “the Eucharist.” Then we sit through readings and the preacher comes on. I find the sermons to be pretty good but sometimes they have a Spanish guy there and they take turns where the preacher says a sentence and the Spanish guy translates.
Based on what you said, are you a member of The Church of Christ?
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Washed and clothed in Christ: The beauty of the Sacrament of Holy Baptism

Am I opening a can of worms? Absolutely. But St. Jude says we need to earnestly contend for the faith which was once and for all delivered to the saints. And we live in age where many have thrown away God's word and promises and substituted it with false doctrine that tickles the ears and have been swayed away from simple trust in Jesus toward the "appearance of religion but denying the power thereof"

Let's first be clear what Baptism is not.

Baptism is not you and me doing something as an act of obedience to earn brownie points from God. Baptism is not you and me doing something for God. Baptism is not an obstacle that God puts in the way that if we don't overcome it then God is going to deny us His grace and love and salvation in Christ. Baptism is not a public confession of faith, a mere religious ceremony and ritual without power or grace. Baptism is not merely getting wet. You aren't the one who is at work when you were baptized. The pastor or priest who baptized us isn't the one who is at work in our baptism either.

The Baptizer is God.

The plain word of God teaches us what baptism is. When speaking to Nicodemus, our Lord Jesus Christ taught that to enter into and see God's reign, we must be born anew, a birth that is of water and the Spirit (John 3:3-5). After our Lord rose from the dead He came to His apostles and gave His Great Commission to the Church: "Make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, and teaching them all which I have instructed." (Matthew 28:19).

When the Holy Spirit came, sent by the Father in fulfillment of Christ's promise that the Holy Spirit would come, the Paraclete, the Spirit of Truth (John 14:16-20, John 16:13-15) as foretold by St. John the Baptist "I baptize you with water, but He who comes after Me, whose sandals I am unfit to fasten, will baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire" (Luke 3:16) and reiterated by our Lord just before His Ascension (Acts of the Apostles 1:4-8), this same Holy Spirit filled St. Peter and through him declared "Repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, this promise is for you, your children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself" (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39). The pilgrims in Jerusalem that day, who bore witness to the outpouring of the Spirit and the power of the Spirit through Peter's preaching, were converted and three thousand that day were baptized and received into the Church (Acts of the Apostles 2:41). And the whole Church were together in communion, abiding in the Apostles' teaching, the celebration of the Lord's Supper, and devoted to prayer (Acts of the Apostles 2:42-47).

In his magnum opus, the Epistle to the Romans, St. Paul in his great declaration of God's grace and saving power through the Gospel (Romans 1:16-17) reminds us that when we were baptized we were baptized into Christ's death, buried with Him, and raised up together with the Lord; and in light of these things are to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive to God. The work God having accomplished for us in our baptism continued to be called to abiding in the truth and promise of our baptism (Romans 6:1-14). The Apostle, again, in his great letter to the Galatians reminding them that it is not their works, not by following the Law, but God's grace alone which is theirs in Christ, that they indeed put on Christ, were clothed with Him and His righteousness, in baptism, "For all of you who were baptize into Christ have put on Christ." (Galatians 3:27). See how the believer in Christ has not merely gotten wet, but has been given Jesus Christ as a garment, truly as the Prophet Isaiah had said, "I will greatly rejoice in the LORD; my soul shall exult in my God, for He has clothed me with the garments of salvation; He has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself like a priest with a beautiful headdress, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels." (Isaiah 61:10) And Zechariah having written, "Behold, I have taken your iniquity away from you, and I will clothe you with pure vestments." (Zechariah 3:4). See indeed how God in His so great and wonderful great has said to us "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool" (Isaiah 1:18), and the Psalmist telling us, "so great is His steadfast love toward those who fear Him; as far as the east is from the west, so far does He remove our transgressions from us." (Psalms 103:11-12).

See again what Paul writes in Ephesians, that Christ who loves His Church as a bride, having made her holy, cleansing her, washing her by water with the word (Ephesians 5:26). Or how in Colossians he writes we have received a spiritual circumcision, one made without hands, a circumcision of the heart when we were baptized,

"And you have been filled in Him, who is the head of all rule and authority. In Him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This He set aside, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the rulers and the authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in Him." (Colossians 2:10-15)

Time and again we see so great this grace and power and work of God is. In our baptism God has declared us forgiven, Christ having died for us, having nailed our sins to the cross, and born our shame, and becoming a curse for our sake. Why, oh why do we deny the grace of God by denying the Sacrament?

Why do we try and deny God's power and work and replace them with our own works? Why do we make up our own means and methods? Why do we keep trying to take credit for what God has done? Why do we ignore the cross and insist on our glory?

Who are we? But dust and dead bones filled with every sin and wickedness. But see what God has done, sending His only-begotten and very beloved Son, born of a woman and born under the Law to bear suffering, and cross, and death, and grave for us. And here He is, not on the mountain top, not in secret places, not in esoteric mantras, or in all the wretched works of sinners: But here, plain and publically, water and the word.

Oh how He loves us. That even this most meager thing, water, should become sign and seal of the Lamb of God who gave His life for us. The word of God here shouting loud in our face: our sins are forgiven, thanks be to God.

Thanks be to God.

Thanks be to God.

Thanks be to God.

Baptizatus sum.

-CryptoLutheran
Am I opening a can of worms? Absolutely. But St. Jude says we need to earnestly contend for the faith which was once and for all delivered to the saints. And we live in age where many have thrown away God's word and promises and substituted it with false doctrine that tickles the ears and have been swayed away from simple trust in Jesus toward the "appearance of religion but denying the power thereof"

Let's first be clear what Baptism is not.

Baptism is not you and me doing something as an act of obedience to earn brownie points from God. Baptism is not you and me doing something for God. Baptism is not an obstacle that God puts in the way that if we don't overcome it then God is going to deny us His grace and love and salvation in Christ. Baptism is not a public confession of faith, a mere religious ceremony and ritual without power or grace. Baptism is not merely getting wet. You aren't the one who is at work when you were baptized. The pastor or priest who baptized us isn't the one who is at work in our baptism either.

The Baptizer is God.

The plain word of God teaches us what baptism is. When speaking to Nicodemus, our Lord Jesus Christ taught that to enter into and see God's reign, we must be born anew, a birth that is of water and the Spirit (John 3:3-5). After our Lord rose from the dead He came to His apostles and gave His Great Commission to the Church: "Make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, and teaching them all which I have instructed." (Matthew 28:19).

When the Holy Spirit came, sent by the Father in fulfillment of Christ's promise that the Holy Spirit would come, the Paraclete, the Spirit of Truth (John 14:16-20, John 16:13-15) as foretold by St. John the Baptist "I baptize you with water, but He who comes after Me, whose sandals I am unfit to fasten, will baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire" (Luke 3:16) and reiterated by our Lord just before His Ascension (Acts of the Apostles 1:4-8), this same Holy Spirit filled St. Peter and through him declared "Repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, this promise is for you, your children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself" (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39). The pilgrims in Jerusalem that day, who bore witness to the outpouring of the Spirit and the power of the Spirit through Peter's preaching, were converted and three thousand that day were baptized and received into the Church (Acts of the Apostles 2:41). And the whole Church were together in communion, abiding in the Apostles' teaching, the celebration of the Lord's Supper, and devoted to prayer (Acts of the Apostles 2:42-47).

In his magnum opus, the Epistle to the Romans, St. Paul in his great declaration of God's grace and saving power through the Gospel (Romans 1:16-17) reminds us that when we were baptized we were baptized into Christ's death, buried with Him, and raised up together with the Lord; and in light of these things are to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive to God. The work God having accomplished for us in our baptism continued to be called to abiding in the truth and promise of our baptism (Romans 6:1-14). The Apostle, again, in his great letter to the Galatians reminding them that it is not their works, not by following the Law, but God's grace alone which is theirs in Christ, that they indeed put on Christ, were clothed with Him and His righteousness, in baptism, "For all of you who were baptize into Christ have put on Christ." (Galatians 3:27). See how the believer in Christ has not merely gotten wet, but has been given Jesus Christ as a garment, truly as the Prophet Isaiah had said, "I will greatly rejoice in the LORD; my soul shall exult in my God, for He has clothed me with the garments of salvation; He has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself like a priest with a beautiful headdress, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels." (Isaiah 61:10) And Zechariah having written, "Behold, I have taken your iniquity away from you, and I will clothe you with pure vestments." (Zechariah 3:4). See indeed how God in His so great and wonderful great has said to us "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool" (Isaiah 1:18), and the Psalmist telling us, "so great is His steadfast love toward those who fear Him; as far as the east is from the west, so far does He remove our transgressions from us." (Psalms 103:11-12).

See again what Paul writes in Ephesians, that Christ who loves His Church as a bride, having made her holy, cleansing her, washing her by water with the word (Ephesians 5:26). Or how in Colossians he writes we have received a spiritual circumcision, one made without hands, a circumcision of the heart when we were baptized,

"And you have been filled in Him, who is the head of all rule and authority. In Him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This He set aside, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the rulers and the authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in Him." (Colossians 2:10-15)

Time and again we see so great this grace and power and work of God is. In our baptism God has declared us forgiven, Christ having died for us, having nailed our sins to the cross, and born our shame, and becoming a curse for our sake. Why, oh why do we deny the grace of God by denying the Sacrament?

Why do we try and deny God's power and work and replace them with our own works? Why do we make up our own means and methods? Why do we keep trying to take credit for what God has done? Why do we ignore the cross and insist on our glory?

Who are we? But dust and dead bones filled with every sin and wickedness. But see what God has done, sending His only-begotten and very beloved Son, born of a woman and born under the Law to bear suffering, and cross, and death, and grave for us. And here He is, not on the mountain top, not in secret places, not in esoteric mantras, or in all the wretched works of sinners: But here, plain and publically, water and the word.

Oh how He loves us. That even this most meager thing, water, should become sign and seal of the Lamb of God who gave His life for us. The word of God here shouting loud in our face: our sins are forgiven, thanks be to God.

Thanks be to God.

Thanks be to God.

Thanks be to God.

Baptizatus sum.

-CryptoLutheran
And I see 7 different words of BAPTISM. //

# 1 BAP[TISM

# 2 BAPTISO

# 3 BAPTISMO

# 4 BAPTISMA

# 5.SP[RINKING

# 6. BAPTISM OF FIRE

# 7. BAPTIZING

So is SACRAMENT a biblical word in. the Greek TEXT. ??

dan p
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

'islamophobia' is a dumb term for bigotry against Muslims and it is propaganda.*

When people are bigoted against Muslims, we should just call it what it is -- bigotry.

Like all religions, Islam has issues and can be criticized, though this is not the place.


* it was ginned up by some arab lobby org. I think CAIR. They were trying to ride the coattails of "homophobia" which was a term that did reflect many reactions to LGB people at the time as closeting was very common and a lot of people did just have irrational fear of homosexuality. Though now-a-days most of that is also just bigotry.
Yes. I think that’s fair.

I know of many Muslim refugees in my city and they are good people. They have a right to live like anyone else.
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

An irrational fear that Muslims are going to take over the country is not criticism of Islam. This is textbook Islamophobia.
Well? Maybe some people had bad experiences or have other reasons to feel that way? Although I do understand what you’re saying.

People shouldn’t fear most Muslims because 99.99999% of Muslims are good, loving people.

The extremists who kill in the name of Islam is something anyone should be fearful of.
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

Europe has several successful Democratic Socialists countries.
...and don't bring up the Nordic countries, they're not socialism, they're capitalist models with an expanded welfare state. (which is different than socialism)
They are Democratic Socialist countries that have a mixture of Capitalism and Socialism. You seem to mean pure Socialism with an authoritarian government.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

I think so, too. You and I share many views, even though our Christian backgrounds might be quite different.
I think we do.

What are your beliefs on verse 5? We know Christ states blessed are those that take part in the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."


Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

You most likely already know that these are two different Greek words although similar

The word for lived in verse 4 is zao which is to live, quick

The word for lived in verse 5 is anazao which is to recover life, live again, revive.

I've talked to people that believe these people are actually dead and I've seen teachings where these people are spiritually dead and are part of the millennium.
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Healing and debate. My testimony

Hi. I have had similar feelings of feeling this place is full of division and not a healthy environment, and at times I felt like I'm just being sucked into the mud and would have liked to hit the eject button, but God is just showing me how to handle it. I may miss it a time or two, but we continue to learn and grow.

I personally have seen little fruit, just speaking of my view, but I do find some here and there. In fact, I think I've even said in the past that I'm going, but find myself back in. I'll tell you why.

As I said, I'm dealing with a life and death situation for nearly a year now. I had been seeking the Lord on it and although He would give me things here and there on it, these were steps to take, like guiding me step by step and I wasn't happy with that. The matter is such a serious matter and told time is of the essence so i was freaking out. I want to know which way to go because the experts are saying it's all bad, but a decision needs to be made. And some thought their way may be short term bad, but long haul good. And everyone is different so it may not be as bad, or it may be worse. There is no guarantee. And no one agrees with each other; being pulled in different directions.

I won't get too specific because it involves others, but it was a very gloomy picture. For myself I couldn't care less, but this is happening to others too.

So the Lord gave me some insight ...great stuff, but appears this is going to be a walk of faith step by step.

Now here is the thing, during this time I'm getting dreams and visions from Him regarding the body of Christ.

It literally frustrated me because I wanted Him to keep on the issue I'm dealing with, but it wouldn't stop. On and on. I won't share as if the maturity is not there, people will just use these things as weapons to attack each other instead of grieving and allowing the Holy Spirit to intercede and however He may work.

I don't go to a physical church, haven't for years, so figured it may just be with fellowships beyond the four walls that I may also be involved in. Since He kept on there, I took it to mean He wants me to trust my situation in his hands and give attention to something He wants to draw my attention to.

I'm trying to be faithful to Him there, and I literally see what appears to be a miracle taking place on this end.

And, miraculously, when things looked there worse, I had, and still have, the peace that passes all understanding.

I hope to share in near future the biggest thing He taught me through this, how fear robs us of hearing from Him and opens the door to being robbed of things He's given us to guide us.

So I share some of your sentiments. In fact I recently shared with another how I am growing discouraged and don't see fruit, and don't see it as a healthy environment and want to move on because God knows I did not choose this, getting out of my God bubble, but He has now engaged my heart and I do not feel I am at heart released from it yet.

Fruit takes time to grow. It begins as a seed and we share, then let the Lord land that seed where it needs to go. Others He will use to water it, but He does the work and makes it grow.

I personally do not see this place as a healthy environment for those that have mental issues, but each as the Lord leads. You can always avoid the areas that contribute to you feeling sick, or you can check out and return when you feel healthier. I thought you had some great things to share. My only real issue was that you appeared to look to blame others and although GOD DOES NOT IGNORE CONTRIBUTORS AND THAT IS FOUND IN SCRIPTURES, HE DOES EXPECT US TO HEAR FROM HIM FOREMOST FOR OUR WELLBEING.

Sorry for the caps. I'm not yelling. I just want to emphasize that point.

You follow what you feel the LORD has laid on your heart. I like to say if we are unsure of his voice, it will become more apparent with time because our growing sick will make it obvious it is time to get out.

No one is perfect and we are all learning and growing, and we won't reach perfection alone.

Look to the Lord for your wellbeing because people will fail you. Although we are his hands and feet in the world, we cannot give you what only He can.

That said, if I unnecessarily offended you in anything I may have said, do accept my apologies. I am also learning and growing and will miss it to at times. We all see in part, but most important is to remain in his love.

I may end up leaving too. Maybe soon as I am seeking Him on it, but for now He has engaged my heart and will continue until the picture is clear.

God bless you big!
I believe you must find yourself a church… God will lead and guide you.Seek one out.

Hebrews says, Do not give up meeting together as is the habit of some, but more and more as you see the day approaching.
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U.S. Bishops Issue a “Special Message” on Immigration from Plenary Assembly in Baltimore

“We recognize that nations have a responsibility to regulate their borders and establish a just and orderly immigration system for the sake of the common good. Without such processes, immigrants face the risk of trafficking and other forms of exploitation. Safe and legal pathways serve as an antidote to such risks.”
Sounds good to me!
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

The POTUS is acting before the facts of the case are known.



How do you know the immigrant is illegal?
The article reported that he entered the country in 2021 but was careful to leave out the fact that he is here illegally.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

1. They ain't dead.
That’s good to know. Hoping they both pull through.
2. Blame the illegal immigrant from Afghanistan instead of soldiers who are obeying good and lawful orders.
I don’t blame the guardsmen at all. It’s terrible they were ever put in this situation.
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Repeat: science (at least, the physical sciences) is the study of God's creation. The world around us can be studied. It is knowable.

Everyday observations can only be explained by the earth being a globe and would be contradicted by a flat earth. These observations are repeatable. However, understanding and interpreting these observations needs basic geometry and maths. If someone does not understand these, then they will lack the skills needed to interpret observations and will be reliant on what others claim and so are open to being deceived.
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It does not take a genius to see that God has placed the sun, moon and stars in the sky above the earth. That these created lights move in the sky over the earth, where they have been placed.

The real question is when sciences deceptions are show to be the deceptions they are. Will Christian's finally believe in God;s true creation or just like Israel's rejecting the Messiah when He came to earth. Stay with what the authorities claim as truth (Matthew 12)
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

The POTUS is acting before the facts of the case are known.



How do you know the immigrant is illegal?

According to sources, they have the man's name and his status as an illegal.
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Ecumenical expert: ‘No theological reasons to celebrate Easter on different dates’

You seem to have missed the part about how, under my proposal, no one would be forced to adopt the Gregorian paschalion.

Adjusting our Lunar tables would just create another schism. I wish this wasn’t the case, but that’s the reality of the situation. Any change would either cause a schism, interfere with EO/OO reunion, or cause more Orthodox to join the toxic schismatic Old Calendarists (who are opposed to the calendar largely due to their opposition to ecumenism, which they believe is a “pan-heresy” based on a remark made by a primate of ROCOR in the late 1980s, when ROCOR was canonically isolated due to communism.
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Healing and debate. My testimony

CF has shrunk quite a bit since 2002, when I first joined. That is mainly due to the advent of social media sites like Facebook and others. I remember there being so many people posting that you could barely keep up with the new material being added to single threads. I wish it were like that again... but then I think people have changed somewhat in their posting content and method. I guess the practices of social media have crept into CF, and that is not good.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

I'm NOT questioning the President's motives at all. Unlike what it appears liberals want to believe, the President ain't exploiting the situation.

The POTUS is acting before the facts of the case are known.

2. Blame the illegal immigrant from Afghanistan instead of soldiers who are obeying good and lawful orders.

How do you know the immigrant is illegal?
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