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Why do people hate ICE...

Yes I am. And I am fully and completely an American. We came to America to become Americans and not to make America into where we came from.
What do you mean by "becoming American?" What standards do you use do determine that you are "fully and completely" an American?
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Obama care collapsing.....

Yes health insurance is expensive. Obamacare didn't solve that even though thats what we were promised. Instead it cost us more in the way of taxes to cover the subsidies.

Obamacare did reduce the cost of insurance by supplementing plans for people who otherwise would be stuck shopping the open insurance market as individuals.

What Obamacare did not due is reduce the cost of healthcare....a cost that has risen continously over several administrations.
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Why do people hate ICE...

I personally do not hate ICE, but I do feel that the thing has been mishandled. The way I see it is if a person is here illegally and that is their only crime leave them be. Now, if they are committing other offenses and/or they are using government resources then sure get them out, but still do so with respect
Ridiculous attitude. “If it’s their only crime leave them be”???? Joe Biden took that attitude toward the border and it invited much more serious crime. If we can’t control our borders this country is doomed. We can’t feed the the world or provide free healthcare to the masses without financially destroying this nation. If stealing a tv from Walmart is ones only crime, should we let them be ? A crime is a crime and should be treated as such.
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Eyes Up, Stay Alert: How to Guard Against the Devil’s Subtle Attacks

By becoming masters at prevention, detection, and protection, we can firm up our defenses from spiritual attack. The devil loves to tailor his temptation for each of us, but he isn’t creative. Once you have figured out his play for you personally, it’s easier to see how he attacks.

Fear Tactics

A healthy and proportionate fear of the end times—and of our individual demise—keeps us “sober and alert.” One day we will stand before God for our Particular Judgment. The details of our life will pass before us, with God as our infinitely just Judge. There will be only two eternal destinations: Heaven (usually delayed by the purifying fires of Purgatory) and Hell.

Why do people hate ICE...

I never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I never said that, don't put words in my mouth.

As you pointed out the verses you like are only for his followers. They are NOT intended to create governement policy or law. If you believe they were then we must have laws against adultery, fornication, lying and homosexuality.

You either accept ALL of scripture as governmental law and policy or none of it. You do NOT get to pick and choose which scriptures apply to governmental law and policy and which ones don't.

You are right, these verses address believers rather than governments. If a Christian claims that Jesus' commandments apply to followers, but then supports a government that contradicts his teachings, their commitment to Jesus' teachings is questionable.
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The Fall of the West (It's Happening Now)

Wonder if the Golden Rule will start trending with the newest generation. Things tend to go full circle,
I think so. You don't have to be a Christian to see the fighting and division of the current generation to realise something is wrong. It would make anyone think "Lets go back to the drawing board because maybe we missed something in the instruction manual because whatever they are doing, it ain't working" lol.

There is some truth that this generation are turning back to tradition and the church.

Religious revival: Why young people around the world are finding faith again
From digital spirituality to gendered divides, faith seems to offer meaning and identity where secular culture has fallen short.
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Origin of Life

Do you mean that god is alive? Just asking for clarity.
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God is life, there is no separating life and God. God did not exist and then one day decide to bring life into existence.

There is not such thing as origin of life, that is a science lie. Sadly that is something Bible believing creationist have adopted as a belief
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Did the beginning of the IDL change the beginning of the Jewish Sabbath?

God said in Exodus 16:23 "tomorrow is the Sabbath". The one who trusts that God was so confused in Ex 16 so as not to know which day was the actual Sabbath in Gen 2:2-3 is trusting a straw theology of God.

For forty years in the wilderness the manna did not fall on "The Sabbath", the one who trusts that God was so confused for forty years so as not to know which day was the actual Sabbath in Gen 2:2-3 is trusting a straw theology of God.

Jesus kept the Sabbath according to Luke 4:16 and "all scripture is inspired by God" according to 2 Tim 3:16. The one who trusts that God the Holy Spirit was so confused in Luke 4 so as not to know which day was the actual Gen 2, Ex 20 Sabbath day, is trusting in a straw theology of God

The IDL was first determined in 1884 and not actually used until the 1900's.

Those who imagine that Sunday keeping and Sabbath keeping Christians as well as Jews all had their "day changed" either in 1884 or early in the 1900's , have a straw understanding of history and geography
And Jesus kept the Sabbath wherever he was in His travels. Sundown varied depending on His location and the lay of the land, as it does now everywhere regardless of where we are in any given time zone.

And as was said, No one knows where Eden was. So obviously where sundown was during it's inception is inconsequential.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

All you have confirmed is an inability to read and comprehend.

Perhaps its the other way around. Refer to my last post and the evidence from several independent sources.

Do you comprehend the following

The tiniest structures within the inner and outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone.

The sample chemistries the researchers found do not exist anywhere in nature.


"it's very improbable that the outer and inner casing stones that we examined were chiseled from a natural limestone block."

This discovery further confirms that these blocks are not natural limestone.

Ancient Egyptians were the original--albeit unknowing--nanotechnologists."

The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Oooooh, another eternal torment champion implicitly condemning us to hell simply because we don't share in his sick imaginations about what he personally thinks should happen to his enemies in the afterlife, sic burn! (No pun intended at that last part, Julie. XD )

I am shocked by this, I tell you! :rolleyes:
Yes, you ought to be shocked. The Bible doctrine of hell, is a very sobering and shocking doctrine to fresh converts and new commers. But I'm sure you will eventually come to the table. You can deny the doctrine, all, you want, but that will never change the truth of the matter.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Read the study there were NO tests or experiments performed.
I never said there were any tests. I said the theorectic simulations were enough to warrant further testing and base new tech on. There were real science from the research that warrants further investigation and not dismissing.
No again, this is just a popular scientific write up of the same study
So why should I believe your opinion over the scientific write up lol. It seems all the so called "scientific write ups" are saying the same thing. Coming to the same conclusion as myself. The write up actually quotes the researchers.
Which is just saying that they want to produce pyramidal antennas, if they are at a nanoscale it will not be radiowaves they are trying to interact with.
So how is this not advanced knowledge. They are learning from the ancient Egyptian structures and methods to generate such waves and energy sources. Surely the structure, its location and the specifiuc way its build with certain stones was not just luck in producing such results.
This is article has not been peer-reviewed (the pre-print even says so in it's watermarks), it tries to build a case for the connection between the shroud of Turin and the Giza pyramids. It contains no test or experimental work.
Ah peer review, peer review. Everything has to be peer reviewed. At least its a scientific paper. You are dismissing it without any peer review or even any scientific published article. Your doing exactly what I was pointing out was double standard.

Here I am linking peer review and at least scientifice papers and reports laying out the process and anaysis. All I am getting from skeptics is single sentence objections with absolutely no support.

Is not the Piezoelectric Phenomena in the King's Chamber the same effect that the other papers which included peer review were talking about. So we have a number of papers all supporting a similar effect. I would rather side with at least scientific papers then someones personal opinion on a social media platform.
Mentioned in the post you quoted before. There is no connection to egyptian pyramids, is there?
I think I may have linked this to show that the tech is possible. That research has shown that granite can be weakened by Piezoelectric Excitation. Along similar lines to the other research and tests showing Piezoelectric Phenomena and effects.

They are all looking at the use of the natural materials involved and how they interact with each other. How specific combinations or architecture enhances natural phenomena that can ebe harnessed.

As mentioned I don't think for example the location of the pyramid on a high electromagnetic location, over a mineral rich subterrainian water network.
No one of your articles has shown the utility of piezoelectrics in conjunction with the pyramids.
Show me the peer review that states there is no connection.
That was no confirmation! It is enough to make further tests interesting.
According to the findings they clearly state that there was human intervention.

The NMR results suggest that the casing stones consist of limestone grains from the Tura quarry, cemented with an amorphous calcium-silicate gel formed by human intervention, by the addition of extra silica, possibly diatomaceous earth, from the Fayium area.
Conclusion from the pdf is that it may contain both natural and manmade blocks. No hypothesis testing was performed,
Yes there was. The hypothesis was.
1) If the blocks are artificial, their magnetic moments are parallel, oriented approximately in the north-south direction
2) If the blocks are natural, then the directions of their magnetic moments are oriented randomly.

Magnetic analyses suggest the possibility that the pyramids may contain both natural and man-made blocks.

As far as I understand that the blocks that are orientated paralell north to south have a magnetic moments that corresponds to them being artificial. Being reconstituted in situ and never changing orientation. Whereas the natural stones have random magnetic moments as they are changing orientation over time. It is impossible for a natural stone to have a N to S magnetic moment.
so how probable was it that the magnetization directions would be observed by chance alone? Seven samples don't give them much to work with.
Near impossible. The magnetic moments happen as the stones are orientated. So natural stones from quarry to placement will undergo random orientations. Whereas the cast blocks being cast in situ will only have paralell orientation N to S as they have only been orientation in one position.
No hypothesis testing was performed, so how probable was it that the magnetization directions would be observed by chance alone? Seven samples don't give them much to work with.
Thats 7 out of 7 which makes the odds atronomically high that all these blocks just happen to remain paralelle throughout the entire process from quarry to positioning. If they were chiselled and cut and hauled up the pyramid they are going to have random magnetic moments.

But when you add the other tests that show the makeup of the stones are manmade and contain artificial minerals and chemistry in them it makes a strong case.

The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids
The tiniest structures within the inner and outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone.
The cement binding the limestone aggregate was either silicon dioxide (the building block of quartz) or a calcium and magnesium-rich silicate mineral.

The sample chemistries the researchers found do not exist anywhere in nature. "Therefore," says Barsoum, "it's very improbable that the outer and inner casing stones that we examined were chiseled from a natural limestone block."

The presence of silicon dioxide nanoscale spheres (with diameters only billionths of a meter across) in one of the samples. This discovery further confirms that these blocks are not natural limestone.

Ancient Egyptians were the original--albeit unknowing--nanotechnologists." "Ironically," says Barsoum, "this study of 4,500 year old rocks is not about the past, but about the future."
The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids

In other words just like we are learning from the Piezoelectric effects of the pyramids and applying this to new tech. The same with the geopolymer cement the early Egyptians created which is natural and environmental. They are teaching us how to manipulate nature from 4,500 years ago or longer.

Gathering 'concrete' evidence
The binder, known as a geopolymer, could have been made from lime, kaolinite (a kind of clay), a fine silica (such as diatomaceous earth) and natron (sodium carbonate). The same ingredients were used by the Egyptians to make self-glazing pottery ornaments, a material called Egyptian faience, and well known to archeologists.
I read the article, they don't claim to have proved anything. What do you want me to do then?
To apply the same standard you apply to me. The skeptics demans peer review and still reject it. They demand scientific evidence from formal sources with credible scientists.

Just saying you disagree meets none of those standards that have been demanded of me. I have several independent sources from either peer review or scientific sources with published papers, reposts and commentary on those papers and reports. You have a personal opinion on a social media site.
It is a suggestion. It even says so in the headline.
Yes just like the idea of giant ramps and wooden sleds or cutting millions of blocks with chisels and copper saws. Why is it that the orthodoxy is accepted out of hand when its also spectulation. At least the idea of hydro lifting is more aligned to a realistic explanation and that the Egyptians were smarter than just using sheer human power.
You're jumping the gun, let us see if others can replicate the findings.
Theres enough evidence to say it was likely. Thats why I always go back to the images. I have shown you observation evidence of softened stone already and its been dismissed. This image is one of the actual blocks on the casing and you can see how it was soft.

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How much more evidence do you want.
Even if they were using some sort of cement, how does this follow? Cement-like (true cement with lime came a little later?) construction was known to the ancient egyptians, was it not?
Well the Romans were attributed with create cement. So this like other discoveries pushes back the timeline. But the research results seem to say that this was not just any old cement but one thats eco friendly and lasts longer than any other cement.

Enough to want to reverse engineer it to use as a building product for the future. In other words 4,500 year old knowledge is showing us how ho make cement today.

But also that it explains how the outer casing stones are so tight where you can't even get a human hair between them. This makes sense that they were cast and sank into each other as they dried. The material did not shrink and looked and lasted like real stone. Even to foolw Egyptologists for decades . Claiming they spent years chiseling surfaces to hair tight perfection.
What do you mean with "They all had a purpose associated with the data being collected."? That the egyptians built thing with a purpose in mind, that is more or less a given.
Yes so I am saying that there was much more of a purpose for what they built than given credit for. The same principle but just more of it and more advanced than thought.

I mean the pyramids are a feat in themselves. But the orthodoxy that they were just big tombs and like Sneferu needed three is becoming unreal. There is a lot more going on and thanks to modern tech its only in recent decade that we are finding out.
Only in the sense, that new findings of course changes our current understanding. That is what science does.
Lol its like they never resisted the idea and when it shows their orthodoxy wrong they pretend thats how science works. As though science never has a paradigm change. I think like all sciences this is exactly what is happening.
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Can not being in the correct denomination cause someone to not be saved?

But of course.

Not without Jesus at the core they won't.
Salvation is personal not a group decision. My statement still stands. No denomination, including Catholics, will ever save anyone.
But the opposite of thinking a denomination saves is to have a religion of 'just Jesus and me'. Jesus didn't start anything like that.
Ah, that Catholics are the original, supreme church nonsense, yada yada. Not going there with you.
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Busy, busy. Even in the cold.

I had a great year on the outdoor range with my .22 bench rest. I also picked up a Zastava M22 to play with... it is no CZ. I have also been shooting in our inter-county .22 handgun bulls-eye league. That has been fun. I'm not doing great, but having fun. Picked up another project at a local auction; it may never shoot again, but it is a wall hanger. 16 ga. single barrel. That should keep me busy. I go to pick it up this Saturday.

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He’s a citizen with a Real ID. ICE detained him anyway. Twice.

No you expect them to be constrained and prevented from ever thinking that the law needs to be enforced


Presence in the US without authorization is a civil offense

Re-entry after deportation is criminal. Entering through a non designated point of entry is criminal

Even if your argument is merely civil offenses, the civil penalty for unauthorized presence is deportation. Deporting for civil offenses is not unreasonable, criminal acts involve jail time and imprisonment. ICE is deporting, not imprisoning unless there is also concurrent criminal offenses.

Here illegally? Expect to be civilly deported. The government is even offering a free plane ticket and a thousand dollars for those who choose to self deport

Keeping ICE from enforcing the law does nothing to elevate Latino dignity. It even lowers it by giving the perception that as a group of people, they are exempt from the law. No society functions like that just because you call it racist
You need to stop your Strawman. No where did I call ICE racist. It seems that you have a standard reply to anyone that disagrees with you. I’m not from the left. My issue is with the trampling of the 4th amendment. You know, the constitution? The same constitution that you should be defending?
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Trump pardons Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, all fake electors for their attempt to overturn 2020 election, pardon official says

Meh.. why is this a thing. Oh I know its because Trump did it. People upset about this are most likely very hypocritical.

The pardon is a thing its not going away. All people arw doing is trying to be divisive and partisan.

This is a prime example about what happens when a president does something new. It opens the door for others to do the same thing. Biden did this and people on the left didn't care that much. Then Trump does it and suddenly its a big deal. Democrats go after Trump and people on the right and the left loved it. Republicans go after those who went after the right and the left is totally upset.

Next Democratic President is going to pardon other people. Its all ready been proven.

Can we all just give up on the faux outrage?
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Who then can be saved?

So, are you just avoiding the question here, or what? Does hell involve the absence of God’s presence, as maintained in 2 Thess, or not?
I'm not sure which verse or chapter of 2 Tess you're referring to, but I already know that it doesn't mean what your trying to suggest it's saying. I assume it saying those in hell will not enjoy communion with God, because He doesn't show them any mercy or love. All they see from God is His wrath and vengeance and torment.
So I think you mean they are separated from God love
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The Miraculous Medal Novena

Day 2... 11/19/25

O Immaculate Virgin Mary, Mother of Our Lord Jesus and our Mother, penetrated with the most lively confidence in your all-powerful and never-failing intercession, manifested so often through the Miraculous Medal, we your loving and trustful children implore you to obtain for us the graces and favors we ask during this Novena, if they be beneficial to our immortal souls, and the souls for whom we pray.

(Privately form your petitions here.)

You know, O Mary, how often our souls have been the sanctuaries of your Son who hates iniquity. Obtain for us, then, a deep hatred of sin and that purity of heart, which will attach us to God alone so that our every thought word and deed may tend to his greater glory. Obtain for us also a spirit of prayer and self-denial, that we may recover by penance what we have lost by sin, and at length attain to that blessed abode where you are the Queen of angels and of men. Amen.
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Sense of community at local oarish

My former parish has embraced the LGBTQ+ ideology. Conservatives and of course Trump
supporters, are convinced to leave. It doesn't matter if you don't support Trump, but as
long as they think you do, you're not welcomed.

This is when love and forgiveness is put to the test.
I am most interested in your last sentence, and would appreciate your expansion on it, if you're willing. Of the several kinds of parishes around, when it this test passed, and when is it failed, and when is it avoided? Of course some of us really have no viable choice in the matter - in which case it seems, God has chosen for us.
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