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Nithavela · 2025-11-23T12:04:45-0600

Good news, everyone.

Clare73 · 2025-11-23T12:04:21-0600

eleos1954 said:
The "rapture" is the first resurrection .... there is no "secrete rapture" ... personally I don't like or use the term. There are two resurrections.

Not according to the authoritative apostolic teaching (1 Th 4:16-17) of Christ (Lk 1:16),

unless the rebirth from eternal death into eternal life by the sovereign will (as unaccountable as the wind, Jn 3:6-8) of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5) is referred to metaphorically as a "resurrection."

Lukaris · 2025-11-23T12:03:27-0600

I would consider what my faith community is doing as a whole and consider how to help serve it. If people are being led to the Lord, something must be going right. I’m speaking in broad generalities & realize life circumstances affect how we can do this.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-23T12:03:14-0600

Apple Sky said:
Maybe this guy can help you.

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Very unlikely.

So again, no one has been able to explain why, on a flat earth, we wouldn't have examples of the photos above. We should be able to see right to end of the road or to the end of the line of powerlines. But we don't.

Ergo, no flat earth.

The Righterzpen · 2025-11-23T12:02:36-0600

rambot said:
I have baaaaad skills with my smart phone and auto correct.

I'll clean it up later today so you can pretend to address my points if you like.

I already addressed your points. You can go back and read post 32 if you’re going to pretend to address what is written there.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-23T12:02:21-0600

Hentenza said:
The site has a total of 442,000 posts site wide not 140 million,

Sorry I posted the number wrong.

So you've read through 140,600,000 posts already

RDKirk · 2025-11-23T12:01:48-0600

Yarddog said:
Military personnel take an oath to the Constitution. It is also for military operations. Of course, they also have rules of engagement, which are far stricter than what police officers are supposed to follow.

Military personnel do not have the authority to interpret the Constitution, however.
No military court is going to rule a presidential order as "unconstitutional."
That's never going to happen.
That is out of their jurisdictional wheelhouse.

Yarddog said:
I understand death. What military rule allows the military to kill civilians. There is nothing in the videos supplied to the public which shows any attempt to stop or disable the boats without killing the occupants. It has also not been provided to Congress.

The military kills civilians all the time, in every war. What are you talking about?

Clare73 · 2025-11-23T11:59:10-0600

bling said:
Since God has the power to send the Devil and his messengers to hell, why were they ever allowed to spent time on earth?
What is their purpose for being here?

See Ro 9:22-23.

RDKirk · 2025-11-23T11:58:47-0600

BCP1928 said:
What about the enlisted men who followed Calley's orders?

Some of them faced court-martial, but none of them were convicted.

The Calley case was the specific issue that caused the DoD to greatly enhance its Law of Armed Conflict training as I knew it during my career. Greater emphasis was placed on the soldiers understanding what an "illegal order" specifically is, what an "illegal order" would look like in their specific military specialties, and that they had a duty to disobey an illegal order.

For instance, the specific kinds of things that would be criminal in my task of targeting nuclear weapons in a major command headquarters are different from the kinds of things that would be criminal for an infantry soldier in the field.

BCP1928 said:
I don't think that philosophical judgements are being called for and that for most soldiers the problem does not even arise, but it might, and it puts the soldiers themselves in a difficult position. It's not merely a "philosophical position" that a National Guard soldier should not shoot his own unarmed fellow citizens, even they they have gotten away with it in the past.

I keep saying: You are posting things for which specific laws already exist. There are already specific laws covering "shooting his own unarmed fellow citizens." So, no, that would call for philosophical judgments. Y'all keep doing that. Everything you think of is already covered by existing laws and would be "illegal orders."

My point continues to be: Trump is never going to issue a clearly "illegal order." His lawyers are smarter than that. They are going to nuance the hell out of his orders, so that they will call for philosophical judgments from Corporal Snuffy Smith.

The Righterzpen · 2025-11-23T11:58:42-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
That is not the what one would believe after reading this

on the website of the american psychiatric association (What is Gender Dysphoria?)

Well that’s an interesting definition. It used to be that one needed a gender dysphoria diagnosis to get insurance to pay for the hormone treatments. (I don’t think that even still now, no insurance (in the US at least) will pay for the surgery. They have to go by the DSM-5R criteria for diagnostic purposes / at least as related to insurance.

Insurance will at least still cover counseling services.

So the definition you quoted there is interesting; although it may not match the DSM diagnosis criteria. It takes a lot to update the DSM which I think was last updated a year or more ago now?

But I can see too where that definition may fit for men who have autogynephielia. And want surgery.

There’s been a big activist push to get all “sexual aberration” diagnoses removed. Which…. We’ll see where that goes; because ones that get people incarcerated, treatment is still payed for through public mental health services funding. Which mental health services (except for populations like veterans; is quickly disappearing; (and has been for almost 2 decades now.

So yes, what you posted could be the coming definition in the next DSM revision.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-23T11:57:08-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
I've not seen anyone explain why we don't, especially not you.

Maybe this guy can help you.

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Clare73 · 2025-11-23T11:56:56-0600

concretecamper said:
I think the fact that some can lead more virtuous lives than others displays that the extent of our free will is within our control. There is no need of any other "proof". We limit ourselves.

C'mon, you know better than that. . .

Just because I can climb a tree as does a money doesn't mean I, therefore, can safely jump from tree to tree several feet apart.

comana · 2025-11-23T11:51:51-0600

Valletta said:
That's your spin, when Zelensky started going after the actions of the United States he received a proper lecture from J.D. Vance. Trump and Vance were trying to save lives, tragically a lot more have been lost because Zelensky was stubborn, but Zelesnky has now Freconsidered and just had a telephone call with J.D. Vance in regard to the proposal. To me lives are more important than the back and forth of negotiations.

Giving Putin what he wants now will not stop him from taking more later ( and more lives). There is no reason to believe this about saving lives. It is about appeasing Putin and feeding Trump’s ego.

Hentenza · 2025-11-23T11:51:47-0600

Apple Sky said:
So you've read through 140,600,000 posts already

The site has a total of 442,000 posts site wide not 140 million, therefore, the thread has a lot less. It’s weird that the site does not have post numbers.

eleos1954 · 2025-11-23T11:50:41-0600

Michie said:
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., said Friday night she would resign from Congress in early January. The announcement followed a public breakdown in her relationship with President Donald Trump over issues including the release of Jeffrey Epstein-related files.

In a statement posted to X, Greene said her final day as representative of Georgia’s 14th District will be Jan. 5, 2026, citing Trump’s alleged recent attacks on her as a key reason for her decision.

Trump had called Greene a “traitor” and a “lunatic” after she supported a bill requiring the Department of Justice to disclose its Epstein investigation records, The Christian Post reported earlier this week.

Continued below.

Marjorie Taylor Greene announces resignation after Trump spat

Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga , said Friday night she would resign from Congress in early January The announcement followed a public breakdown in her relationship with President Donald Trump over

www.christianpost.com

Trump sees it as a distraction away from what he considers more important matters ... maybe ... but people want to know about it regardless. No doubt it will dominate the news cycle .... people just need to stay on top of the other things going on as well. Focus on all the issues.

eleos1954 · 2025-11-23T11:45:24-0600

Bob Crowley said:
I've often mentioned my (old) Presbyterian pastor whom I learnt a lot from, although he discouraged me. The night my father died he turned up in my room.

I was an atheist at the time, but he predicted I'd become Christian, and as part of that "... You will meet a pastor. You'll think he's great, but all he'll do is to discourage you even more!" (than he had himself).

I met the pastor circa 1982/83. When I was going to leave his church in 1991 (I was getting married and moving away) he admitted he had discouraged me, but as I said I still hold him in high respect. Incidentally h was not an admirer of some of the "last days" stuff which comes out of various (mainly Protestant) personalities in the USA in the main, saying "... it's a bit weird..."

But he had some thoughts on the issue. For one thing he was very firm on the business about no man knows the day or the hour of Christ's return. It could be tomorrow, and it could be 10,000 years down the track. We haven't been told.

However I find that if he thought something would happen it did sooner or later. Several of his predictions have come to pass since he died in 1992, including my becoming Catholic (1997); there would be a lot of priestly pedophile cases after I became Catholic (media from around 2002); my sister would get leukemia and not live very long which happened (2005 aged 45); his own eldest son would have a major health breakdown which was a stroke (1996 or 97); there would be a pandemic (Covid 2020); there would be a second Gulf War as the "... Americans will have had enough of Saddam Hussein and they will get rid of him. But I think they will lose a FEW men the next time (2003); I'd make a silly mistake at work and "they" would use that to get rid of me (1995); etc. These were all predicted and they all happened.

He wasn't an admirer of Zionism, commenting that ".... they've served their purpose ..." (it's up to the Jews to recognise Christ, not the other way round). But he also conjectured "I think He (God) is going to drive us off the planet... I think we'll learn to teleport..."

He died in 1992, and (from Wikipedia) "the first successful The first successful experimental quantum teleportation of a photon's polarization was achieved by two independent research groups in 1997", five years later.

It's a long cry from that event to teleporting material objects, and even more so living creatures which have a spirit.

But I think we'll get around that obstacle eventually, although there will most likely be a considerable hiatus between the first inanimate teleportation and the first biological teleportation.

We've moved a long way in space travel since World War II. Robert Goddard's rockets might have gone a couple of hundred feet into the air in the 1920's. The V2's were flying about 250 kms in 1944; and NASA landed men on the moon a mere 25 years later. And of course we now have AI and robotics both of which would be absolutely necessary for a civilisation in space. It's obvious God is letting us do these things, which implies they form part of His plan.

As Dietrich Bonhoeffer might have put it, Man has "Come of Age".

Now suppose his prediction happens, that God does indeed drive us off the planet - what price Jerusalem or for that matter Rome in a civilisation which might be spread through a fair section of the Milky Way? I'm Catholic and I accept the Petrine Chair - Christ was setting up an office and giving the church authority when He declared Peter the Rock.

But I know of no Biblical mandate for Rome to be the "eternal city".

The way politics is going we could well be heading for nuclear wars, and those cities could easily be destroyed.

So I'm not over impressed with hardline pronunciations about either Jerusalem or Rome for that matter. In the end they're just cities.

That's my cold blooded view, and that's what I think.

Just follow the Lamb wherever He goes .... can't go wrong with that ;o)

Hentenza · 2025-11-23T11:45:06-0600

BCP1928 said:
If there are parents as ignorant about what trans is as conservatives in this forum then students will definitely need a little counselling before they decide to come out at home.

That is not for the school to decide. The parent still has primary responsibility for their children. Nothing should happen without the parent’s consent.

comana · 2025-11-23T11:43:00-0600

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eleos1954 · 2025-11-23T11:42:56-0600

Clare73 said:
The "first resurrection" in the prophetic (Rev 1:3) riddle (Nu 12:6-8) of Rev 20 is from eternal death into eternal life in the new birth.

In the apostolic teaching of Christ (Lk 10:16), there is only one resurrection of physical bodies, at the end of time, at the second coming, immediately before the rapture.

Jesus locates the resurrection in the last day (Jn 6:39),
Paul locates the resurrection with the rapture (1 Th 4:16),
Jesus locates the rapture with the second coming (Mt 24:39-41),
Jesus locates the second coming with the judgment of the sheep and goats at the end of time (Mt 25:31-33).

Paul locates the second coming, the resurrection and the catching up of the saints together at the end of time (1 Th 4:16-17).

The "rapture" is the first resurrection .... there is no "secrete rapture" ... personally I don't like or use the term. There are two resurrections.

Lukaris · 2025-11-23T11:39:47-0600

MT Green was thrown under the bus as was Schumer by the far radical left on the left side. Things like honor & respect are dead in today’s American politics. This isn’t new but I think it’s almost total now. Before it was at least haphazard.

I can’t stand Schumer ( politically) but if I was a lib, he would have been a hero to me. Instead, he failed on the shutdown ( his failure wasn’t stupid) & all his past efforts are yesterday’s sawdust.

The Righterzpen · 2025-11-23T11:38:30-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
Do most trans persons say that their behaviour defines their identity? Most that I have talked to say that it is some kind of innate feeling, regardless of if they are forced into any specific behavioural construct, but my guess is that at least some agender individuals would agree with you, that gender isn't something one is but something one does. So there are possibly not one answer to your question.

It also depends on what an individual may define as a construct of identity. How much weight do we give to our feelings in our self assessment of who we are?

Of course it’s wise to understand that our feelings don’t always reflect what is actually true. Despite “negative messages” we get, tend to be the ones that “stick”.

And a lot of people make decisions based on “feelings”. Which in the case of running off negative messaging, there is limited ability to make good decisions in that state.

Then of course there is the “best decision given circumstances” (or perceived circumstances) option too.

And here is where I’ve seen the biggest detriment to trans people’s psyches when they come to the conclusion: “maybe I shouldn’t have done this”? There’s no “totally going back”. Once the hormone treatment and surgery are done; there’s a limited amount of “undo” that’s possible.

And here is where the most psychological danger of suicide comes in. I’ve listened to many “detransitioners” (or desisting) say they genuinely feel like there is no way God will ever forgive them for what they did to their bodies. (Which of course isn’t true!)

Yet believing the lies is what got them where they are in the first place. (Very wounded people with serious psychological challenges and/or neuro developmental disorders.

And of course if they walk away from the ideology they are ridiculed and often with more vitriol than from those who “had a problem” with their transitioning in the first place.

And the end result is that a lot of them don’t survive, because they commit suicide. They feel there’s no hope and no one will accept them, no matter what they do.

It’s really a horrendous tragedy!

Nithavela · 2025-11-23T11:37:30-0600

Valletta said:
The crime problems are similar to those in New York City, Chicago, and San Francisco. Older Asian women are targets. Add to that poor planning. The system should not have been above ground and the above ground system was put on street level which means now putting in turnstiles instead of the current honor system would be extremely expensive. A number of homeless simply lived on the rail cars or at the stops. Instead of focusing on the perpetrators of the crimes St. Paul was working on reparations and "gun violence." Repeat offenders do not seem to phase them.

St. Paul becomes first city in coalition to pass gun violence prevention ordinance

St. Paul, Minnesota, has adopted a comprehensive gun violence prevention ordinance on Wednesday. The ordinance bans assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. It was passed unanimously by the City Council.

www.cbsnews.com

You know, if mankind went extinct, all those safety issues would go away.

Yarddog · 2025-11-23T11:34:55-0600

RDKirk said:
That is clearly for police officers, not for military operations.

Military personnel take an oath to the Constitution. It is also for military operations. Of course, they also have rules of engagement, which are far stricter than what police officers are supposed to follow.

RDKirk said:
You seem not to understand how this works.

I understand death. What military rule allows the military to kill civilians. There is nothing in the videos supplied to the public which shows any attempt to stop or disable the boats without killing the occupants. It has also not been provided to Congress.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-23T11:33:42-0600

David Lamb said:
Well, there were none at all that said that on the page you linked to, as I mentioned in my previous post.

So you've read through 140,600,000 posts already

Clare73 · 2025-11-23T11:31:46-0600

CoreyD said:
You said this a hundred times in this thread. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 100
Amazing, that you are back with it... this time adding the word unregenerate, as if to say, only some people do not have free will.
How does that support your argument, if man does have free will? It doesn't does it.

It was shown to you that persons are no longer slaves.
Are you a slave, and don't have free will?

I can't choose to live a sinless life.
Therefore, my will is only partially free, it cannot make all moral choices, which is necessary for a totally free will.
The best I can say is my will is partially free to refrain from all sin in thought, word and deed.

CoreyD said:
All scripture is inspired of God, yes... and the words that translators use are what?
I'd appreciate if you answer that question with an example. So try this...
In the book of Psalm the word מוֹט (Hebrew mot) is used.
Translators use the English words "To totter," "shake", "slip", or "be moved"

For example, Psalm 104:5, when translated, read....

He set the earth on its foundations, never to be moved. Berean Standard Bible

He established the earth upon its foundations, So that it will not totter forever and ever. New American Standard Bible

He founded the earth upon its place, So that it will not shake forever and ever. Legacy Standard Bible

He established the earth on its foundations; it will never be shaken. Christian Standard Bible

Which of these four highlighted chosen words is God's word, and are any of them human notion?

You said the word is a human notion. Did you not.

I did not.
I said "free will" (power to make all moral choices, including the choice to never sin) nowhere stated n Scripture, is a human notion.
Free will (defined above) is nowhere stated, or defined in Scripture.
What is stated in Scripture is that the unregenerate are slaves to sin (Jn 8:34, Lev 14:33-53)

CoreyD said:
I'm not sure what you are trying to say then, since all these words are human construct.
Every word is... whether English, Spanish, German...

CoreyD said:
All Scripture is God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16) human words.LOL. I don't believe anyone here is crazy... but then, I don't know.
The only person contradicting 2 Timothy 3:16 is the person claiming that God's inspired word is the words translators chose, but they don't accept the words they don't like... such as "freewill", and "free will".
As for the scriptures that refer to free will of man, you did see them... unless of course, you are closing your eyes when you read a post, and see them.

Still waiting for the addresses of the Scriptures which state "free will,"
keeping in mind the revealed Biblical concept of man is "slaves to sin" (Jn 8:34),
unless, of course, you can choose to live sin free, in thought, word and deed.

I know I can't.

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