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Kathleen30 · 2025-07-01T04:11:06-0500

CoreyD said:
Hmm. Humiliate them and make them a laughing stock to their women and the nations that hear of it.
I could see how that would be something the most powerful army would want.

Not following you on this one.
David proved his valiance, and earned the respect as chief of his armies.

Humiliate. Maybe but I think much more relieved to be still alive. And considering the problems associated with having a foreskin. Such as phimosis a foreskin that be to tight or bacterial or fungus or yeast infections. I think they and their woman might have fully appreciated the aftermath and health advantages of circumcision

tturt · 2025-07-01T04:09:49-0500

Prayed as you requested

Also, when I goggled "frugal" found tons of ideas including the Motley Fool Community. Can weigh pros & cons to decide which ones are for you. Asking the Lord for guidance strength and wisdom.

Bob Crowley · 2025-07-01T04:09:05-0500

But I think what might make the damned upset is seeing others who may have lived equally sinful or worse lives being forgiven because they declared their faith in Christ.

"Why was I condemned, and not him?? He did the same things I did!"

I could see that being an eternal bone of contention.

In defence of my last point above, I defer to John Newton, Anglican priest and writer of the hymn "Amazing Grace".

Some of Newton's pre-Christians sins are listed below, which is why he used the word "wretch" to describe himself in the song.

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Slave Trader:
Newton spent several years engaged in the brutal Atlantic slave trade, even captaining a slave ship. He participated in the capture, transport, and sale of enslaved Africans, a practice he later condemned as "iniquitous, cruel, and oppressive".

Rebellion and Immorality:
Before his conversion, Newton was known for his rebellious and dissolute behavior. He indulged in vices like drinking, swearing, and pursuing sexual immorality. He was described as defiant, prone to blasphemy, and capable of "anything".

Denial of Faith:
Newton also went through a period where he rejected his Christian faith, declaring himself an infidel.

Delayed Repentance:
Despite his conversion at sea during a storm, Newton continued to participate in the slave trade for several years afterward. He later acknowledged this as a deep source of remorse.

At one stage I had a brief biography of John Newton, but I seem to have lost it. I still remember though his description of a storm in which one of his ship mates was swept overboard. Newton related the look of terror on his doomed ship mate's face.

I wonder if some or most of his ship mates ended up in Hell? If so, how would they have felt about the fact they were lost and he was saved?

"He did the same things we did, and sometimes worse! Why is he saved and we're lost? What was so special about him?"

I could see that contention echoing down through all eternity.

FireDragon76 · 2025-07-01T04:08:29-0500

RileyG said:
Very interesting. I find some of his theology quite unorthodox, not to go off topic.

While his style is shaped alot by the 160's and 1970's immediate post-Vatican II era, with a very free-flowing spirit and incorporation of insights from depth psychology (similar to Merton), it's not really unorthodox. He teaches contemplation and spirituality, subjects important in mystical theology, so it might sound strange to somebody expecting clarity when talking about God, since so much of the modern Catholic and Protestant traditions have focused on clarity, and not prioritized mystical theology. However, mystical theology has been the norm for much of the rest of the Christian world all along.

Ophiolite · 2025-07-01T04:05:26-0500

You have the wrong audience. You should be speaking to the the Beasts. We little people have no power and are way too divided.

FenderTL5 · 2025-07-01T04:02:03-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
Yeah that’s the claim. Explain how.

Did they tell anyone to use the app to go assault officers?

No, the gentleman in the CNN clip promoted the exact opposite - he said that it allows one to avoid the area altogether.

The only persons promoting violence were those in the second clip.

SimplyMe · 2025-07-01T03:58:40-0500

probinson said:
I already answered you. It's a well-established fact that heavier vehicles cause more damage than lighter vehicles.

Yes, and the heaviest vehicles out there are semis, 10 times the weight of pretty much all cars and light trucks. As your own article stated, it is those vehicles that are the heavy vehicles that cause the problem.

probinson said:
That is completely irrelevant. The salient point is that heavier vehicles cause greater road wear. That is not debatable.

So why do you keep debating it by claiming it is EVs, when they are only slightly more heavy, not 10 times the weight.

probinson said:
The fact remains that if you buy an equivalent EV, it will ALWAYS be heavier. For example, the Ford F-150 Lighting is about 35% heavier than its Ford F-150 ICE counterpart, as just one example.

No, it is currently heavier. We'll see what happens in the next decade, as batteries become more energy dense.

And, no, the Lightning is not 35% heavier than than an F-150 ICE counterpart. At most it is 25%, though even then you are comparing a lower trim level (and much less power) to a higher trim EV. Yes, there is a slightly lighter F-150 but it is a regular cab, 2-wheel drive with a 2.7L engine (325 HP) that does not compare to any version of the Lightning (which are all crew cab, 4-wheel drive, and a minimum of 452 HP. And, as you go up trim levels, the difference is actually smaller between the ICE and the Lightning.

probinson said:
Why are you comparing SUVs to sedans? If you compare mid-sized EVs to their mid-sized ICE counterpart, they will weigh more, every time.

I'm not comparing SUVs to sedans. I'm comparing the cars currently selling the best, which for ICE are things like the F-150 (and other trucks) and large SUVs. As I mentioned, the F-150 Ice is the best selling car in America, with over 300,000 sold per year (and less than 10% of those are Lightning models). When you look at EVs, as people here have previously pointed out, over 50% of the EVs sold in the US each year are the Tesla Model Y and Model 3, which weigh a maximum of about 4,400 lbs and 4,000 lbs -- so less than the F-150 that is the top ICE vehicle.

probinson said:
Also, heavier ICE vehicles use more fuel. Ergo, they already pay far more in road use taxes. The fact that heavier ICE vehicles are less fuel-efficient means that they will pay more in road use taxes because they use more gallons of fuel.

Great, and under the current bill (since we're still waiting to hear the final version) EVs would still pay more than almost all ICE vehicles, including ones far heavier than their EV. Again, EVs would be paying the equivalent of a gas car that gets 12 mpg or less -- and for someone that drives under 10,000 miles per year, it is closer to larger trucks (box trucks when fully loaded) that get 5 mpg, which are definitely far heavier than EVs and cause far more damage to the roadways.

probinson said:
As I already pointed out, the Ford F-150 Lightning is ~35% heavier than its ICE equivalent. People with F-150's are spending FAR more in gas, and therefore are contributing FAR more in road use taxes.

I can't take you seriously when you're trying to compare full-size pickup trucks to passenger cars.

No, again, more like 25% (and less) depending on configuration. And even small, lighter EVs, like the Chevy Bolt, Nissan Leaf, Mini Cooper, Fiat 500e (all around or under 3,500 lbs) would still pay far more in tax than most F-150s on the road today (most of which still tend to get 20 mpg up to even 25 mpg, with the lowest version only about 18 mpg).

And, again, the most popular ICE vehicles sold in the US tend to be quite large -- like the absolutely best selling car being the F-150. Yet, as pointed out, the best selling EVs are much smaller -- with the best selling EVs being mid-sized cars, the Tesla Model 3 sedan and the Tesla Model Y SUV. I can't take you seriously when you try to compare all EVs to the F-150 Lightning, when it is a rather modest selling EV, but its ICE counterpart is absolutely the best selling "car" in the US.

Let me try it this way for you: the number 1 selling "car" last year was the Ford F-series (not just the F-150, but also the F-250 and F-350), so just the F-150 can weigh up to 5,740 in an ICE variant, though the F-350 starts over 6,000 lbs and goes up over 7,700 lbs. The best selling EV was the Tesla Model Y, which is a max of about 4,400 pounds. My point is the best selling ICE "car" is much heavier than the best selling EV.

If we go to the #2 seller, that is the Chevrolet Silverado vs. the Tesla Model 3; so again, we are looking at a truck between 4400 and 5800 lbs vs an EV that has a maximum weight of 4,000 lbs. As you go through the list of best selling cars vs. best selling EVs, you see this repeat over and over. One of the few that aren't that way is when you get to the Toyota RAV4, which is lighter than the Ford Mach E; you also get the Honda CR-V vs. the Hyundai Ioniq 5 but, surprisingly, those two are fairly close in weight. Your issue then is that the next couple of ICE vehicles are the RAM pickup and the GMC Sierra.

Again, the ICE cars selling the most tend to be very heavy, yet there is zero concern of the damage these large pickups are doing to the roads; for some reason it is only brought up when discussing EVs -- not to mention, again, that even your article said the major issue was semi-trucks and trailers (which are 10x heavier than even these pickup trucks). And, again, some of these trucks will pay roughly half in gasoline tax what the Trump administration is trying to get from all EVs, even the light ones and despite how many miles they are driven.

Richard T · 2025-07-01T03:35:19-0500

Hi brother, An Ameeican woman can be an excellent choice should you both have The Christian desire and love. So I wish you well in that. The best way is to trust for guidance and the opportunity to court. Online you might look at Christian dating for free. The other posters are apt to point out that under the current usa regime it can be especially challenging to acquire a visa for America even if married. Even if a visa is given many are being denied reentry should they leave the usa. Not too mention the wait time for a visa is likely a year, plus the citizen you marry must show sufficient income and residence. Of course God and love can oveecome such obstacles but sound advise would be seek God, and see what He haa in store for you. I too assume you are a Christian, but if not I pray you can accept Jesus as the son of God that has taken your sin. God bless you in your quest for a wife.

Apple Sky · 2025-07-01T03:16:16-0500

ozso said:
If there were gigantic demonic beings still hanging around, they'd hardly go unnoticed.

They died out a long time ago but we may still get throw backs from their bloodline which maybe be the blue bloods.

Apple Sky · 2025-07-01T03:11:50-0500

David Lamb said:
But my post, where I said: "What business did the chief of fallen angels have being in heaven's court? Besides, that doesn't make angels able to have sexual intercourse with human women." was not commenting on Genesis 6. I wrote it in answer to your post where you wrote: "We know that the sons of God were the fallen angels from the book of Job."

My Apologies, your right "What business did the chief of fallen angels have being in heaven's court? I have always wondered this myself.

I have also wondered how the the fallen angels procreated, I have no idea, but they did.

Kathleen30 · 2025-07-01T03:04:52-0500

tampasteve said:
Well, not "never", of course he was a Catholic Priest before he jumpstarted the Reformation. Also, yes he did believe that the Eucharist was a means of grace for forgiveness of sins. He did not agree with the idea of Transubstantiation or view the Eucharist in exactly the same manner as the Catholic Church, but he did believe in the real body and blood and the Eucharist as a conduit (to use your wording) of Grace and forgiveness.

Of course.

I am not sure what these images are, but I only see these blocks of pink in your recent posts.

Christ's work on the cross atoned for all sins, but we as believers need to seek forgiveness for our sins. It isn't just a one time event for us, our ongoing relationship with Christ requires reconciliation and repentance.Although Christ's sacrifice atones for all sin, individuals must consciously recognize their wrongdoing, genuinely repent, and seek God's forgiveness in order to fully receive the blessings of that grace.

Catholics and Orthodox practice the Sacrament of Reconciliation as a way to acknowledge our sins, receive absolution, and experiencing God's healing grace.

TampaSteve as I as said and you admit that Martin Luther certainly did not believe in how the Catholics believe in the transubstantian. More so of the power of the priest being the conduit between the bread and the wine and being able to turn the bread and the wine into the literal body and blood of Christ. He only believed that they became so just not by the power of the priest but by God himself. The very reason why I mentioned that God is omniscient he doesn't need the emphasis placed on a priest having that sort of power and control over the communion. The whole emphasis of communion is supposed to be on what the sacrifice of Christ has done for us each and not in the priest having such alleged powers.Seems your religion takes control and authority over communion as well. When it was meant for every believer to participate minus the supposed conduit powers of the priest over the believers communion. You ask about the pink blocks. They are topical break points.

Tampasteve you again be referring to my post 236 of which you claimed that the apostles can save, forgive and withold forgiveness just as Christ did. My reply to that was the apostles only ever proclaimed the gospel but they never had the power to save anyone. It was God that done all the saving and not the apostles. This now be a entirely new subject you bring to the discussion. You now say Christs work on the cross did atone for sin . Yes . You than say as believers we need to seek forgiveness for our sin. Yes we do that in our thoughts and prayer now doubt countless times a day. Some maybe more some maybe less. You than say ( it just isn’t a one time event for us, our ongoing relationship with Christ requires reconciliation and repentance.) you then say again. ( Although Christs atones for all sin, individuals must consciously recognise their wrong doing, genuinely repent and seek Gods forgiveness in order to fully recieve the fullness of that grace ) Well that be your experiences with communion. I say Maybe sometimes. But mostly for many of us. We are to busy rejoicing in our communion experience in what Christ has done for us . We be to busy thinking upon Him then to be thinking upon ourselves and the self. Meaning do this in remembrance of me.. we have already passed from death unto eternal life. Steve to whom the Son sets free is free indeed ❤️

Free2bHeretical4Him! · 2025-07-01T03:02:09-0500

Hentenza said:
Your post is such a mess that it is hard to understand who said what. The quote boxes are you not me.

Yea, guilty as charged. This cut and paste format on my IPad is a bit tiresome at times. I tried to bring a bit of clarity by using “Reply” to note my response. Nevertheless, since you stated I was disingenuous I expected you would be able to demonstrate how, by quoting “your own post.” Like another proponent of ECT, who made an accusation against me but never demonstrated how, you also fail to do so … or apologize for said accusation, which they also did not.

blessings

Christsfreeservant · 2025-07-01T02:56:20-0500

“Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.” (Romans 12:1-2 NASB1995)

Holy Sacrifices to God

As those who profess faith in Jesus Christ to be Lord and Savior of our lives, our lives are to be surrendered to the Lord, to die to sin, to do his will, and to obey his commands, by the grace of God, and in the power of God, and because of what Jesus did for us on that cross. For in his death he put our sins to death with him so that, by God-persuaded faith in him, we might die with him to sin and now walk in holiness and in obedience to his commands.

We are not born of God, and called God’s children, on a mere profession of faith in Jesus Christ with our lips. For, by genuine faith in Jesus, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin, and raised with him to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but now as slaves to God and to his righteousness. Sin must no longer be what we practice, for if it is, we will not inherit eternal life with God. We must obey God with our lives.

So if we present our bodies a living and holy sacrifice to God, acceptable to God, what should that look like in all practicality in our daily lives? Our lives should be, in truth, surrendered to the Lord, to doing his will. Sin must no longer be our practice, but now holy living in walks of obedience to our Lord’s commands should be our practice. We should go where the Lord sends us, and do what he says to do, and say what he commands, all for his glory.

So, this isn’t just about ceasing to live a sinful lifestyle, and to live holy lives, pleasing to God, living morally pure, upright, honest and faithful lives to God. This is about us giving up ownership of our own lives and letting God have full ownership, and us following him in whatever he has for us to do in this life, as his servants, messengers, followers, and witnesses. It is following his calling upon our lives in doing what he has planned for us.

And this is our spiritual service of worship of God. Although singing songs of worship of God is part of worship, if our hearts are right with God, singing songs of worship is not worship of God if we are still the ones directing our own lives, and if we are doing whatever it is we want to do without regard for what God wants us to do, and if sin is still what we practice, and not obedience to our Lord and to his commands. Worship requires obedience.

Not Conformed to The World

And we are no longer to be conformed to the pattern of this sinful world. We are not to be doing and speaking and viewing and listening to all the same garbage that the world has to offer us. We should not be feeding our minds with the lusts of the flesh and of the eyes, and with the pride of life. And our output shouldn’t look the same as what is coming from the world, but we should be sharing the truth of the gospel and living what we preach, too.

So, we need to be discerning people. Many things should be very obvious to us that we should not go down that path. Some things we may not know about, but as soon as we see something going in the wrong direction, we should back away from it, or close out of it, or whatever. For not everything is obvious from a first glance. But from experience we should learn not to keep repeating the same false steps, and should avoid some things entirely.

And if you are on the internet, I hope you understand what I am saying. For a video might appear that looks interesting, and so you may click on it. It may even start well, but then it changes. Things you should not be viewing or listening to suddenly appear. And so you must immediately close out of those videos. But there are people who keep going into the same types of videos, and they know better. And curiosity leads them to destruction.

So, we must be very guarded about what we watch, what we listen to, and what we feed our minds with. But just because we may listen to a particular side of a political or a spiritual issue is not an indicator that we are agreeing with what we are listening to. We learn by hearing what other people are thinking and saying and believing about what is happening in this world we live in, so we know how to pray, and what issues need to be addressed.

So, we need to seek God’s counsel and wisdom in this, not just with regard to what all is okay to do or to say or to view, but as to how he wants us to spend our free time when we don’t have other obligations to fulfill, when we are just relaxing and taking it easy. For he wants our lives to be under His control, not under the control of our own flesh and just what we want. He wants our lives surrendered to him to now live for him and to do his will.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:6-8; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:5-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10]

Surrendering All to Jesus
An Original Work / July 1, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-07-01T02:55:05-0500

ozso said:
That doesn't change the fact that that's what it could very easily be used for.

I would hope people around me would alert the neighbors when there’s armed, masked men grabbing random people off the street. That’s precisely what a community watch is supposed to be looking out for.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-07-01T02:53:05-0500

ozso said:
It puts a target on ICE agents. In other words, if someone wants to locate ICE agents to shoot, this app will provide them with their exact location. Considering the firemen that were just gunned down, that's not far fetched.

I think the dudes roaming around decked out in military gear kidnapping people into unmarked cars are kinda putting targets on themselves but sure ok. People are also using Instagram to alert others of ICE raids in their area. This is the first I hear of a dedicated app for this kind of alert system. Firemen don’t carry guns to fight bad guys and they aren’t going around antagonizing people just trying to work and live their lives and kidnapping them away like a gang of terrorists. Poor comparison.

Bob Crowley · 2025-07-01T02:52:37-0500

At the risk of repeating myself ad infitum, I've often stated my father appeared in my bedroom the night he died. He materialised near the door, spent most of the time near the foot of the bed, and at the end gave one almighty scream. Then he just disappeared.

But at one point in the conversation he said, with some alarm, "I always was doomed! I didn't really have any choice!"

I was an atheist back then (1979) but I argued back saying "That can't be right!"

He responded "Oh, it's right, all right. You can see that from here!". I take it to mean from where he was standing, which I think was in front of the judgement seat. I presumed that from other factors eg. the look of awe on his face most of the time, and at other times he was trying to hide his face behind his hands (which wasn't much use as they were transparent - I could see through him if I wanted to, or focus on him like smoke from a fire).

A short time later he admitted "I was WILLING!" (to do the things that got him condemned and to keep doing them for at least my lifetime up to that point which was 24 years).

So I think when we front up to the Judgement seat, we'll be left in no doubt as to why we were sent to Hell if that's where we end up. And we will intrinsically understand it is right, for they will be able to "see that from here".

But I think what might make the damned upset is seeing others who may have lived equally sinful or worse lives being forgiven because they declared their faith in Christ.

"Why was I condemned, and not him?? He did the same things I did!"

I could see that being an eternal bone of contention.

Larniavc · 2025-07-01T02:51:04-0500

BCP1928 said:
It does not go unnoticed that despite Christians preaching about souls going to heaven, they all insist on a belief in the "resurrection of the body."
It's almost as if, deep down, the really believed that the "soul" was an emergent property of the brain.

I sometimes wonder if not believing that brain is what creates out personality and ability to think and feel is a way of avoiding facing the fear of death.

Larniavc · 2025-07-01T02:48:44-0500

Jerry N. said:
If dreams are the subconscious working out conflicts in the conscious mind, it wouldn't seem to work.

When we dream we are performing maintenance’ memory consolidation and strengthening neural pathways. It’s not about working out conflicts, more like consolidating previous learning.

Gene2memE · 2025-07-01T02:44:34-0500

Russian Bear said:
Your arguments are unconvincing to me. I don't see the point in answering you further. If NATO is a defensive alliance, then Russia also has the right to join NATO.

NATO has an 'open door policy' for European enlargement, but there's no inherent right to join any organisation when it comes to international politics.

Here are the minimum requirements for NATO membership.

Be a functioning democracy, including tolerating diversity/fair treatment of minority groups
Be committed to a market-based economy,
Military forces must be under firm civilian control, including maintaining democratic civil-military relations and institutional structures.
Be good neighbours and respect sovereignty outside their borders.
Working toward compatibility with NATO forces.

By my reckoning, Russia fails to meet 4 of the 5, and only partially meets the remaining one.

NATO enlargement also has to occur by unanimous agreement. The prospective member must also meet all 10 of the Articles of the Washington treaty, be willing and able to make military contributions to NATO operations and meet a range of other technical, economic and political requirements (like anti-corruption measures).

Russian Bear said:
If NATO does not allow Russia to join NATO, then Russia was a target for NATO from the very beginning.

The Soviet Union was the target for NATO, and then later the Warsaw Pact. It was prompted by the rapid deterioration of East-West relations in the immediate post WWII period. From the Western point of view, the threat of the Soviet Union was heightened by a series of worrying trends

Establishing systems of internal repression within new 'socialist' states in 1946-1947
Direct annexation of large portions of Poland, the Baltic nations, Czechoslovakia and Romania
Direct Soviet interference in the internal politics of a number of nearby states, including supporting the partizans in the Greek civil war, ousting the Czech government in a violent coup in 1948 and manufacturing crises in Iran and Turkey

That got the initial treaty signed. What really kicked a fire under NATO though was the 1949 Soviet atomic test, the 1950 US national security assessment [although you can very easily argue that particular document was the product of hyperbolic paranoia] and the start of the Korean War.

David Lamb · 2025-07-01T02:34:09-0500

Apple Sky said:
This is not what it says in Genesis 6.

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

But my post, where I said: "What business did the chief of fallen angels have being in heaven's court? Besides, that doesn't make angels able to have sexual intercourse with human women." was not commenting on Genesis 6. I wrote it in answer to your post where you wrote: "We know that the sons of God were the fallen angels from the book of Job."

Bradskii · 2025-07-01T02:32:42-0500

Ali00 said:
I'm looking for a Christian girl in the USA to get married with me for honestly and she doesn't have to drink or somke

I think you're in the wrong section of the forum, Ali. And just between us, your timing could not have been worse...in fact, your post, now in the public domain, has probably excluded you from any chance of citizenship (assuming that that was your ultimate aim): Green Card Marriage Policies: Interviews & Disclosures

'Foreign nationals have used marriage with a US citizen as their main way to apply for permanent US residency. Under President Trump the government increased its tough immigration enforcement standards on green card marriage applicants. The new policies made green card marriage requirements stronger through interview obligations while demanding more financial details. They strengthened background research toward all applications. The added security tests made application more difficult for everyone including real applicants. People who want to apply for a green card through marriage need to know about these changes to overcome application delays and rejections.'

David Lamb · 2025-07-01T02:31:21-0500

Godcrazy said:
I wonder why you question scripture if you are a christian you should KNOW they mated with women

I don't "question scripture." Scripture says:

“Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they [were] beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.” (Ge 6:1-2 NKJV)

It doesn't mention fallen angels having sex with women. That is an interpretation of Scripture, not Scripture itself. I agree with those who like John Gill in his commentary, says: "Those "sons of God" were not angels either good or bad, as many have thought, since they are incorporeal beings, and cannot be affected with fleshly lusts, or marry and be given in marriage, or generate and be generated; nor the sons of judges, magistrates, and great personages, nor they themselves, as the Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan, and so Jarchi and Aben Ezra; but this could be no crime in them, to look upon and take in marriage such persons, though they were the daughters of the meaner sort; and supposing they acted a criminal part in looking at them, and lusting after them, and committing fornication with them, and even in marrying irreligious persons; yet this could only be a partial, not an universal corruption, as is after affirmed, though such examples must indeed have great influence upon the populace; but rather this is to be understood of the posterity of Seth, who from the times of Enos, when then began to be called by the name of the Lord, Ge 4:25 had the title of the sons of God, in distinction from the children of men; these claimed the privilege of divine adoption, and professed to be born of God, and partakers of his grace, and pretended to worship him according to his will, so far as revealed to them, and to fear and serve and glorify him."

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown say: "By the former (sons of God) is meant the family of Seth, who were professedly religious; by the latter, the descendants of apostate Cain. Mixed marriages between parties of opposite principles and practice were necessarily sources of extensive corruption. The women, religious themselves, would as wives and mothers exert an influence fatal to the existence of religion in their household, and consequently the people of that later age sank to the lowest depravity."

Indeed, I have looked at 8 different commentaries, and none of them mention the sons of God being fallen angels.

JohnClay · 2025-07-01T02:25:46-0500

BTW Jesus also was circumcised when he was 8 days old (Luke 2:21)
I paid someone to do this illustration for my Christmas book

which was based on a painting that didn't hide Jesus' manhood.
It also talks about John the Baptist being circumcised on the eighth day... (Luke 1:59)

Bradskii · 2025-07-01T02:23:20-0500

RileyG said:
It’s not prejudice.

What would you call it if someone claims, without evidence, that transwomen are a danger to other women?

Bradskii · 2025-07-01T02:21:43-0500

Mayzoo said:
Next we can regress to women not being allowed in public without a closely related male relative.

Ah, but some would want that to exclude transwomen. Because...reasons.

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