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David Lamb · 2025-10-16T06:57:52-0500

Kathleen30 said:
Dave I guess it’s how the Luciferian system works indoctrination from an early age. He who controls the past often controls the future too in how we think . You were talking to Apple. Yes you were . But you still resist and disagree when Apple tells you of all the porkys NASA has committed. And that being they are not a Christian organisation. Now I not sure about the astronauts being some counterfeit representation of the 12 tribes of Israel or the 12 apostles . I would say probably not. But still the Satan one is certainly a master of counterfeit and deception. But David we already know enough that they are not Christian based in their proclaimations of what they believe . So we should always be weary of what they claim and what they promote . So David what are the future benifits you think that NASA will bring forth to humanity ?

Just to be clear, I have never suggested that NASA is a Christian organisation. But that doesn't make it an anti-Christian, God-hiding organisation, as Apple Sky has said. I have no idea what future benefits NASA, or space flight in general, will bring to humanity. Certainly I am sure we would all agree that the greatest benefit to humanity was God's provision of His Son as Saviour. The importance of knowing Him and His salvation puts things like whether or not we believe in the moon landings into perspective. Our salvation depends entirely on Jesus Christ, not on what we believe bout the moon landings.

o_mlly · 2025-10-16T06:56:10-0500

o_mlly said:
Why are the evos so nasty when confronted with questions on the confidence level of their so-called evidence? Methinks they protest too much.

Denis Noble has the answer:

Denis Noble: “I Think Neo-Darwinism Is Dead”

I respect Denis Noble and in disagreeing with him I do not mean to slight his deep insights into how biology works.

scienceandculture.com

This comment is reminiscent of a 2014 comment by a paper in Nature which said that many evolutionary scientists will suppress criticisms of neo-Darwinism because of fear of lending credence to intelligent design:

Too often, vital discussions descend into acrimony, with accusations of muddle or misrepresentation. Perhaps haunted by the spectre of intelligent design, evolutionary biologists wish to show a united front to those hostile to science.

In other words, sometimes scientists don’t want to admit problems with their models — here, the existence of purpose — not because of the state of the evidence but simply because they fear lending credence to intelligent design.

RDKirk · 2025-10-16T06:51:27-0500

bèlla said:
It was an interesting piece and I’m glad you weighed in.

I think you‘re right. What would you tell their parents to help them respond to what they’re experiencing?

The media is downplaying the problem but they’re discussing it online. There’s a growing concern about the violence and a narrative is emerging. If an intervention doesn’t happen soon they’ll be labeled as dangers to society and ostracized. Remember the comment from Fox? They already have the solution.

~bella

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Woe to those who decree iniquitous decrees,
and the writers who keep writing oppression,
to turn aside the needy from justice
and to rob the poor of my people of their right,
that widows may be their spoil,
and that they may make the fatherless their prey!
What will you do on the day of punishment…? -- Isaiah 10

d taylor · 2025-10-16T06:50:20-0500

Apple Sky said:
The moon be bugged

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Well the point is that believing in an outer space is part of an evolutionary system. That is why they had to be quarantined, because in their fabricated evolutionary system. Life came to earth from outer space, so they support their evolutionary beliefs by pretending that these people who were supposed to have went to outer space (to the moon). Could have contracted a disease in outer space. It is all a big ole ruse that people fell for and are still falling for.

David Lamb · 2025-10-16T06:48:21-0500

Apple Sky said:
Satan has always tried to imitate God or to turn the scriptures into fairy tales to turn people way from them as for NASA they are in cahoots with Satan.
Talking about the 12 tribes of Israel, read up about the Tribe of Dan.

What in particular about Dan? Dan is mentioned 66 times in the bible (that includes the place name and the person, as well as the tribe), but a quick scan through them didn't show any obvious connection with NASA or the moon landings.

I agree that Satan's tactic is often to twist God's word. The first sin happened after Satan had sown the seeds of doubt into Eve's mind about God's word: "Has God said........?" But God's word doesn't forbid moon landings or space flights.

prodromos · 2025-10-16T06:46:19-0500

Apple Sky said:
Well I'm not prepared to keep evidence when I have already done so.

Only in your febrile imagination have you provided evidence.

johnnypapa · 2025-10-16T06:46:18-0500

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prodromos · 2025-10-16T06:43:15-0500

Kathleen30 said:
Prodromos you’ve never heard of people being burned for the Bible.

Not for reading the Bible, no. That is what you claimed.

Kathleen30 said:
I read you be of the Eastern Orthodox faith. So perhaps it is not an essential part of your Orthodox histories

If you are referring to martyrdoms, Eastern Orthodox Christian martyrs in the last century outnumber all Christian martyrs for the last 2000 years.

Kathleen30 said:
But there was a time in history before and during the Reformation that people burned at the stake for doing just that.

Still not seeing it.

Kathleen30 said:
It was more a Roman Catholic -Protestant thing. The citations be numerous but I give you one.( Martyrs for the English Bible ) author Votaw Clyde Webes. Quote In 1539 5 Scotch men were burned alive at the stake in Edinburgh for merely studying m emorizing and preaching the word of God in English.

I've tried searching for that quote and come up empty. You claim there are many citations. Odd that the only one you give me produces no search results.

Kathleen30 said:
You can find online PDF on page 296.

No, you can find only the first page, which happens to be page 296 of the journal it was published in, but the quote you gave is nowhere on that page.

Kathleen30 said:
And of course you have the Foxes book of Martyrs essential reading to any Christian of how we obtained many of freedoms to freely read the Bible

I've read "Foxes book of Martyrs" years ago. It didn't not strike me as very reliable.

Larniavc · 2025-10-16T06:40:57-0500

Abraham1st said:
we DONT WANT PREACHING HERE,

If you could refrain from the preaching that’d be nice.

d taylor · 2025-10-16T06:37:45-0500

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My city/town (15,000) would have no murders for 2025 if it were not for black killing blacks.

Kathleen30 · 2025-10-16T06:36:07-0500

David Lamb said:
Yes, I suppose many people in the world are brought up from birth to believe in evolution and billions of years. Some of those people work for NASA. I was answering Apple Sky, who was saying that NASA was deceiving people by causing the number of people to have walked on the moon to be 12, the same as the tribes of Israel and the apostles, and that this was and example of how the devil tries to copy God.

Dave I guess it’s how the Luciferian system works indoctrination from an early age. He who controls the past often controls the future too in how we think . You were talking to Apple. Yes you were . But you still resist and disagree when Apple tells you of all the porkys NASA has committed. And that being they are not a Christian organisation. Now I not sure about the astronauts being some counterfeit representation of the 12 tribes of Israel or the 12 apostles . I would say probably not. But still the Satan one is certainly a master of counterfeit and deception. But David we already know enough that they are not Christian based in their proclaimations of what they believe . So we should always be weary of what they claim and what they promote . So David what are the future benifits you think that NASA will bring forth to humanity ?

Learning always · 2025-10-16T06:35:41-0500

LynnMaria said:
I don't think I will ever find a good Catholic man to marry. It just feels impossible.

Don't be discouraged. If you do pray to Our Lady with perseverance, then she'll help you.

Normandt · 2025-10-16T06:32:04-0500

Friday, October 17 2025

28th OT

Rm 4:1-8

"Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."

Listening to God, helps a person become more righteous, more in tune with God's Love.

Lk 12:1-7

In today's Psalm (Ps 31 (32):1-2, 5ab, 5c.11), it is written:

"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputes no guilt, in whose spirit is no deceit."

We punish ourselves; we torture ourselves; we hold offense against ourselves. We find it difficult to forgive and to forgive ourselves.

Let us receive God's Love, joy, and peace every day, and we will discover that God Loves us infinitely more than the greatest joy we have ever experienced.

Biblical texts: NAB-RE

Normand Thomas.

o_mlly · 2025-10-16T06:31:54-0500

johansen said:
Im aware. There was another source quoted elsewhere to the effect that they sent her away with a great deal of pads to absorb the blood.

Can you cite the source you refer to?

o_mlly · 2025-10-16T06:27:28-0500

Hans Blaster said:
... do you want to play this nonsense game about "truth"?

o_mlly said:
Do you desire to know the truth about the physical world?

Truth is nonsense? Really?

I see that you are no longer willing to reply. OK, I'll let you go. Our exchange requires the participants to be both rational and honest. You appear to be the former so I suspect you came to see the outcome and rather than continue decided it was time to for you bail out. So long.

David Lamb · 2025-10-16T06:23:15-0500

Apple Sky said:
Well I'm not prepared to keep evidence when I have already done so.

That is up to you, of course. God bless you.

Larniavc · 2025-10-16T06:16:44-0500

The bigger issue is drink driving. People should be charged with a far more significant charge.

Attempted negligent homicide would be my choice.

Apple Sky · 2025-10-16T06:15:55-0500

David Lamb said:
I was answering Apple Sky, who was saying that NASA was deceiving people by causing the number of people to have walked on the moon to be 12, the same as the tribes of Israel and the apostles, and that this was and example of how the devil tries to copy God.

Satan has always tried to imitate God or to turn the scriptures into fairy tales to turn people way from them as for NASA they are in cahoots with Satan.
Talking about the 12 tribes of Israel, read up about the Tribe of Dan.

Abraham1st · 2025-10-16T06:15:24-0500

So a nice conversation you do have on the Christian forum, by all taking part together, great theology, even on your own topics you have to have things explained, rehearsed, to remember where you are talking from, instead of displaying that the lights are turned down low.

eclipsenow · 2025-10-16T06:14:42-0500

rjs330 said:
You are really hooked on the Epstein conspiracy angle aren't you.

It's just one of the many delightful things about Donald Trump lying to the world, and the far right lapping it all up like gold.

In the meantime it might be good to brush up on how much undocumented immigrants contribute to GDP, and how much less crime they commit than the average American-born citizen. It makes sense. The undocumented immigrants have come from such horrible circumstances and risked incurring the wrath of the world's richest superpower, by entering illegally, that they just want a chance to hunker down and keep their nose clean.

They want to live a calm, quiet, safe life where their teenage daughters will not be kidnapped!

And Trump calls them the rapists! So he's going to send in the national guard to beat up on poor families that have already been traumatised. What a Christian nation! What a compassionate policy!

Abraham1st · 2025-10-16T06:13:21-0500

Favour = grace= to be saved= faith, to believe in the love our Lord Jesus Christ had to the world to die for all. (the faith of Christ.)

So yes, we do have the faith we see in the scriptures, had by Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Israel, ( Jacob, and Moses, Moses because of hearing the one sent, but not because of a law followed, because favour alone is how one enters the pleasant land, as well testified.

The one the Lord speaks of, to hear him, as the Lord puts all His words into his mouth, and speaks all that He commands him. (SPOKEN IN IS NAME..)

Deuteronomy 18:15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

To believe on the Son is to believe on Him who sent Him.

A light come into the WORLD, whosoever believes on Him should not abide in darkness, the Son did not come to judge the WORLD, but to SAVE THE WORLD.

He did not speak of Himself, but of the Father who sent Him, who gave commandment what He should say and speak, HIs commandment is life everlasting, ( BELIEF ON THE SON OF GOD.) so the Son speaks even as the Father said. (of LIFE EVERLASTING.)

The Father confirmed what Moses had said, to hear the one He sent, that THIS IS HIS BELOVED SON, IN WHOM HE IS WELL PLEASED, HEAR YE HIM.

The Son received form the Father glory and honour from that voice, and we are to hear that WORD, to do well to TAKE HEED/HEARKEN, as unto a LIGHT THAT SHINES IN A DARK PLACE, until the day star ARISE in your hearts. ( I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.)

Hearkening is then by FAITH. It cannot come by commandment of law.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

2 Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

stevevw · 2025-10-16T06:07:34-0500

BCP1928 said:
Ah yes, they were "primitive."

So you ask for the evidence and I give it and you say nothing. This is what I mean. How can anyone every argue the evidence when they ignore it. They complain that theres no evidence and then ignore it when its given.

BCP1928 said:
"Some lost cultures who had lost knowledge" Comes down to the same thing as invoking "Atlantis."

No, completely different. Atlantis is a legend. Like the legend like the Flood myth. Theres a degree of truth to something happening but it has been made into legend. Exaggerated and elabortated on. But like the Flood myth which is reflected in most cultures its based on a real flood event.

So is Atlantis. There is evidence of ancient cities and cultures being wiped out in a relatively short time.

Besides the hypocracy is that people want to mock the suggestion of ancient lost knowledge when the the ancestors of these ancient culture say themselves that their culture was lost. Or that the ancient culture that was there before them lost their knowledge which was great.

Even in the last 200 years or indigenous peoples have been saying that the west has destroyed their ancient knowledge. Do you not believe them or do you want to mock them for suggesting that their ancient knowledge has been lost.

BCP1928 said:
How did the Egyptians get it, then?

This is the question. We can ask the Egyptians. They tell us their culture went on far earlier back in time than we give them credit. Most of these cultures speak of their ancestors as having great knowledge from the gods. Or it was a time when the gods roamed the earth. So they believe this themselves as part of their culture.

We know some works attributed to later dynasties came from earlier ones. Or that later dynasties built over earlier works. The pyramids are built over great underground tombs and chambers which may have existed before the pyramids.

We know Djoser inherited these vases. Maybe the Naqada people also found them and inherited them because they are so different to what their neolithic ability was at the time. We know megaliths and precision works go back 6,000 to 12,000 years ago. There is a lot to discover and work out.

BCP1928 said:
"Atlantis" is just a placeholder for whatever "advanced lost knowledge" myth you happen to be pushing.in this discussion.

Why on earth would I do that. If everyone is triggered by even the mention of spectulative ideas that involve magic or supernatural phenomena then it would be asking for trouble lol. I have some giving me the 3rd degree on tiny errors is scientific measurements. Why would I propose such an obvious impossible thing to verify.

As you can see this thread is very much about specific facts. There are 'fact and reality' police keeping an eye out lol.

But what if we could prove by the science that an event similar but on a smaller scale happened. That was the basis for why the legend came about. What if there was a pretty advanced culture that was were known at that time that virtually disappeared and we lost records about who they were. Its an interesting idea that merits investigation. Not dissmal as whackery. Thats being overly skeptical.

BCP1928 said:
Isn't that why you are arguing with sjastro about a few thousandths of an inch? Even the tolerances that he is suggesting would invoke "Wow! That's pretty close to what one would expect from modern machining" from archaeologists. "I wonder how they did it?" What you want is not to show how they did it, but to show that these "primitive" Egyptians couldn't have done it without "ancient lost technology" What a humbug.

Gee you packed in a lot of assumptions doing my thinking.

Its ironic that on the one hand you say I am trying to promote some pseudoscience and quackery with Atlantis. Then on the other saying I am arguing facts, hard data science. If I am engaging in hard data or at least trying to. Then how can that be pseudoscience.

I think its you who wants this by the fact that you and not I keep making it about quackery by bringing up Atlantis and whacko stuff. This is the second time you have done this. Last time it never went into Atlantis and neither this time.

Lukaris · 2025-10-16T06:07:11-0500

I believe what Paul preaches in Colossians 1:1-29 especially verses 10 through 24 is a clear example that James & Paul saw faith & works the same way ( which can be confirmed in Ephesians 2:8-10).

Oompa Loompa · 2025-10-16T06:06:21-0500

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
You mean like Trump, that was responsible for January 6th. Mel Gibson, Roseanne Bar and Mary Lou Retton, that are all Conservative Christians. That broke laws.

Whataboutism.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-10-16T06:05:50-0500

Say it aint so said:
There were no Democrat party officials either young or old celebrating Kirk's death.

Well yeah, the Democratic party would need some young officials in the first place. #gerontocracy

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