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o_mlly · 2025-11-18T06:56:32-0600

The Liturgist said:
Haven’t you heard, we Orthodox, Anglicans and Lutherans do not exist.

In the spirit of ecumenism:

"We are all Roman Catholics, know it or not, like it or not. Admittedly, there is that qualifier "imperfect" but then who is a perfect member of any church?" (The Catholic Moment, Richard John Neuhaus, 1987).

Fr. Neuhaus wrote his book as a Lutheran minister prior to his 1990 conversion to Catholicism.

Jerry N. · 2025-11-18T06:56:24-0600

BNR32FAN said:
If you can’t do that then obviously there’s a problem if the distances between any two points on a globe can be measured accurately.

I don't understand this sentence.

Yusuphhai · 2025-11-18T06:14:10-0600

Why do American Jews choose Asia as a bridge between Jews and the West?

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-18T06:08:38-0600

Apple Sky said:
1. It's not my map
2. I've no idea,
3. Try googling it

You do realize that with a globe you can measure the distance between any two points anywhere and get an accurate distance right? That should be impossible if the earth is flat. How do you explain this? You can test this theory at home with a simple sheet of paper. Just make the sheet of paper into a sphere without overlapping, folding, or cutting the edges. If you can’t do that then obviously there’s a problem if the distances between any two points on a globe can be measured accurately.

stevevw · 2025-11-18T05:42:33-0600

com7fy8 said:
The main danger is myself, how I might take preaching into my own hands, possibly in order to make a show of myself. However, if I am doing the preaching which God has me doing, that is all that matters.

I suspect there is persecuted stuff which is not for preaching the cross of Christ. But it is mixed with political and business and land conflicts and other things of this life which are connected with desire for what money can do.

Yes thats a good point. Know the difference and when it becomes about belief and morals rather than politics. Arguing over land is sort of politics and business though it can step into politics and ethics it is a necessary function of any community that provides necessary services.

The church use to be a seperate entity that gave moral guidence but not buy into politics. That is why of a Christian had the opportunity to represent God in the public square then getting into identity politics as a means to spread the gospel doesn't work.

Instead it should be a simple message that Christ came to save us and anyone who believes in Him will be saved. Full stop. There is no political argue over this. It is what it is and its a truth claim of the gospels. That in Christ we will have full life and in Him find the peace the world is looking for.

Someone can dispute that but they do so as a belief. There is no rational. It is a testimony of truth to the world.

wing2000 · 2025-11-18T05:37:08-0600

durangodawood said:
I really do take your point in this way tho: We need to break the 2 party structural duopoly.

(We have to do this right tho. Not wasting votes on doomed 3rd party spoilers, but by structural reforms to the way elections are conducted such that alternative party votes dont just advance your worst choice.)

We won't see a significant change until we address election financing. Our representatives are beholden to corporations and the 1 percenters. IMO, we need to move to 100% public financed elections and level the playing field.

FireDragon76 · 2025-11-18T05:30:39-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
As a person who has been impacted by the trolls, I'm not in a state of mind to feel assured that 99% of it will stop if "they're allowed."

When I was a kid, my dad, in his rough and tumble, All American, Boomer kind of way used to say, "... if you give them an inch, they'll take a foot." I never did quite understand the metaphor until latter in life when I realized...............I was indeed missing a foot.

Of course, I mean that metaphorically with the best, uncoddled Gen X aplomb I can muster.

Maybe the more subtle slights to the Faith should have more weight than religious parodies like Baphomet?

Personally, I think it's been all downhill ever since NASA decided than an astronaut reading a bit of the Scriptures in space was offending tender sensibilities. That's when the midcentury consensus's construction of religious freedom slipped from mild-mannered tolerance to self-obsessed neurosis.

wing2000 · 2025-11-18T05:15:32-0600

JSRG said:
All of this seems to be more likely Halligan having never done a grand jury presentation before (or having prosecuted a case) and messing things up due to the inexperience than anyone actually trying to lie.

....it's astounding that an attorney who has no prosecutorial experience whatsoever is attempting to prosecute a former FBI Director.

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-18T05:13:16-0600

SarahsKnight said:
And it just seems odd to me when they claim in so many ways that Jesus Himself was all for eternal torment, when He is the same Man who taught us to "love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you", AND rebuked one of His disciples when he used a sword to strike off the ear of one of the folk who had come to arrest Him and eventually lead Him to a painful death at the cross!

You seem to think eternal death makes your position better? Uh, no.

Jesus did present eternal torture, for the devil and his messengers, beyond any doubt. So there's that.

And, Jesus does save all people, you know, being the Savior of the world, so there's that as well.

The interesting part IS, the habitation of devils is in mankind, so it makes it problematic to parse out the parties, one from the other.

Tempter ever tempt you? Welcome to scriptural reality. You might be glad to see the tempter in hell where it belongs

Dan1988 · 2025-11-18T05:10:42-0600

BNR32FAN said:
No Paul was including both Timothy and himself in that statement. If WE deny Him, He will deny US. The only reason you can’t accept what is ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE is because it contradicts your theology. And the worst thing about it is that you don’t care what the scriptures say.

Did any of those whom Paul wrote to "Deny Him", ???? answer NO. Did Paul write the letter as a warning or was it an exhortation???? if you don't know, you need to join a bible class for beginners.

rocknanchor · 2025-11-18T05:06:47-0600

boughtwithaprice said:
An interesting thread. May I ask questions to better understand your point?

Greetings 'BWAP'! Grace and peace in the presence of Christ! Surely!

boughtwithaprice said:
Are you saying that tradition was decimated at the departure of Christ, so ancient traditions are suspect?

Oh my no, forgive me, the lack is all mine. The Apostle's departure and prophetic attack of Acts 20:29 is routinely made an insignificant spectacle. Highly underestimated by a good many for what potential of widespread damaging effect it has had on who knows how much of the Apostle's tradition-s.

boughtwithaprice said:
You also seem to say that there are overseers worthy of double honor. What qualifies one as an overseer?

Amusing way you put that here, as yes, the argument could be made that too much of a good thing has wreaked havoc on our spiritual ear. What I would suggest has happened is along the spoils of HRM (hermeneutical application). Some HRM is good, but, as sometimes in study it can happen, the temptation to get caught up in un-checked use of HRM interpretation which I think, can unravel what God intended for the listeners of the WOF (word of faith) in it's unfiltered form to benefit (1Thess 2:13), for without the HOF (hearing of faith), HRM study would be championed as quite nearly the ONLY method thought to begin and end study with which only serves to bolster oneself away from those things that need no qualifications of HRM. In effect, if in the hands of the young, it wrest away the HOF. An example from the Orthodox, Catholic and some Protestant is they exhibit a low HOF for the Master's addressing the disciples as well as much of the epistles too such as the 'diminishing of gifts' other 'time-sensitive' instructions (1Cor 14:36).

So, the qualification for an overseer could himself be on a variable scale of growth short of 'full age' or 'fully furnished' which would not disqualify him necessarily, so long as he maintains a steadfast use of the WOF.

boughtwithaprice said:
Are you advocating sola scriptura for all believers, or must we acknowledge that there are overseers worthy of double honor?

Have to say here that overseers DO maintain both solo scriptura AND to the best of their ability, let that same WOF further those traditions as seen.

Hope I haven't confused further!

Blessings!

Studyman · 2025-11-18T05:06:35-0600

HIM said:
You asked where I thought you went off the rails. If you didn’t ask I would not have said. And If you did not want to know, don’t ask.

Of course you are right. I asked several questions in my response addressing the scriptures you posted, Gal. 3:2-6. But in the end I said "Let me know where you think I'm off the rails, if indeed you do. Thanks for the discussion."

To which you replied:

"You are trying to explain Galatians without even quoting Galatians. You quoted one verse and then ignored the surrounding text that show the context."

While this answer is untrue as anyone can see from my post, nevertheless, as you have so clearly and correctly pointed out, that is irrelevant to the question I asked. I asked where you thought I went off the rails, and you gave me your answer. I should not have complained. I got what I asked for, and I was a fool to expect anything different. It was clearly my error.

I learn a great deal from our interactions.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-18T05:03:07-0600

BNR32FAN said:
You don’t even know what Gnosticism is. You’ve already demonstrated that with your ridiculous statement that free will is a gnostic teaching.

Did the the Lord Jesus or the Apostles ever teach that man has a free will???? Answer >>> Never!!!!, you just made that up.

You have never found a single verse to support this private opinion of yours, ,I'm surprised you don't abandon this theory, which was debunked soon after the Gnostics invented it

A2SG · 2025-11-18T04:58:22-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Is that why so many Republicans voted for it?

Oh, wait, not one did.

Yeah, because President Obama championed it. But before that happened, Republicans championed the same basic idea, initially proposed by the Heritage Foundation.

-- A2SG, mandate and all....

Dan1988 · 2025-11-18T04:57:07-0600

Lukaris said:
The definition is in the New Testament and the Lord summed in His commandments to us ( Matthew 7:12, Matthew 22:36-40 etc.) which originally are in the Old Testament ( Deuteronomy 6:4, Leviticus 19:18). You will notice that the golden rule ( Matthew 7:12 per Matthew 7:1-12) is the “LAW & PROPHETS” and that on God’s commandments ( Matthew 22:36-40 etc.) are which the “LAW & PROPHETS” hang or are dependent on.

You have something against the Gospel? I don’t claim any right to speak for God but to obey His commandments ( however wretchedly I do) but He tells us to ( John 14:15-18). The ultimate thing God “hates” is evil and that is what we are allowed to “hate” ( Amos 5:14-15). I would take care to not rationalize any idea of self justification as being justified by what God may “hate.”

I would carefully read ( Isaiah 55:1-12) especially Isaiah 55:8 ( I know ya did so what am I telling you huh?) well reread it and the Lord’s commandments.

No man has ever been able to keep any commandment. God gave His people the commandments so they can see that they are totally depraved.
God knows full well that it's impossible for any man to keep any of His commandments. By giving the commandments, God has the legal and moral right to punish all those who break any one of them (that's all of us).

Nobody can claim thewy sinned in ignorance, even those who were born n isolated parts of the world and never heard of the commandments, are still guilty because God wrote His law on their hearts, so they are without excuse.

What this cold harsh reality boils down to, is that there's nothing good in me and you. We were born dead in our sin, we inherited our sin nature from Adam. As such, we all naturally love sin and hate God. And we are born into slavery to Satan, because He has the legal right to enslave us,, since Adam rejected God and served Satan instead.

God doesn't save someone, by helping them to change from being carnal (wicked) to spiritual (good). No God must first kill the person (metaphorically) kill their old nature and give them the gift of His Holy Spirit (born again), where the old things have passed away and all things become new.

This new man, doesn't attain "sinless perfection" in this life. That happens in the life to come, when we are transformed into the image of His Son, in a twinkling of an eye. We receive our glorified, immortal bodies and we inherit all the treasures of the universe.

None of this is achieved by a sinner, who is dead in his sin, making a choice to obey the God he hates. Salvation is of the Lord, He is the Autor and finisher of our faith. Yes we do good, works because the Holy Spirit is working to transform us in this life, so if we obey any commandment or do any good works, it's because He is leading us and helping us o obey and do good works.

It's all about Him, our old nature demands praise and self promotion, it cries out to have it's lust satisfied, so it's a constant struggle against our old nature, just as Paul described this battle by saying that he doesn't do the good that he would do, but he does the evil that he doesn't want to do.

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-18T04:57:05-0600

bling said:
Adam and Eve are still individuals when Paul writes to Timothy:

You missed the point entirely, but no wonder. Mark 4:15 is very real to this day.

In scripture there are no individuals. There is the person and the tempter or his own. This is scriptural reality.

Since one of the parties is unseen, people are simply unaware.

The instant you recognize internal temptations via the tempter, you might get the picture, personally. That is, if you can move past our enemy.

bling said:
Are you trying to blame satan for Eve sinning?

Adam and Eve were both compromised internally by the tempter immediately after The Word was spoken to them, just as Jesus stated. And the evidence is clear, once seen/perceived PERSONALLY.

IF however you are still thinking you are exempt, then you are also being dominated, and can't speak about it factually, i.e. you can't relate.

IF a sin of Satan transpires in the person, the flesh pays the eventual price called death. Romans 8:10

As to blame God clearly BLAMED the serpent, directly and 1st:

Gen. 3:
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

The "dust" the serpent eats is our FLESH BODY, it's habitations perpetually being retured to the DUST.

bling said:
Are you saying satan was in Adam and Eve prior to their sinning

Absolutely that was the case. ALL have sin, Romans 3:9, and sin is "of the devil," 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15 (and a huge number of other scripture citings)

It couldn't be any clearer in the Gospels that Jesus showed DEVILS in people. No one is exempt, other than Jesus.

bling said:
Do you know for sure they did not go on to heaven after they died and how do you know that?

I never stated that. Adam was God's son, he went directly back to his Father at the end of his life, as did Eve, as do all people, Eccl. 12:7

Jerry N. · 2025-11-18T04:47:23-0600

Apple Sky said:
No, well watch a few videos in real time where they have done the laser experiment proving the earth has no curvature.
If you want I can post a few, but I know you wont watch them or even believe them.

Let’s try it the other way around. The following video shows the problems with the laser experiments:

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prodromos · 2025-11-18T04:46:04-0600

Apple Sky said:
No, well watch a few videos in real time where they have done the laser experiment proving the earth has no curvature.
If you want I can post a few, but I know you wont watch them or even believe them.

The guys doing the laser experiments fail to take refraction into account, something they would have included if they had studied surveying.
I've seen several of those videos. Atmospheric refraction, particularly over large bodies of water, causes the laser light to bend downwards, following the curve of the earth.
If they had set their laser source a few metres above the water surface where the air is less dense, then the effect of atmospheric refraction would have been far less pronounced and the laser would not have curved down so much. The earth's curvature would have then become obvious.
This is the problem with most flerf experiments.

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-18T04:45:58-0600

1Tonne said:
This thread was about Christians exercising wisdom and taking responsibility for the words they speak—and the slander they pass on. Recent events have only confirmed the concern.
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The man is literally gutting their grift out of the system. The BBC is (now WAS) a recipient of USAID money.

Of course they will attack. Game on, except it's not a game.

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-18T04:43:37-0600

keras said:
What is described is not an army of people, but a huge mass, which the Lord will send to literally fulfil all the graphically Prophesied things fo the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath.
2 Thess 2:8, refers to the death of the Anti-Christ 'beast', when Jesus returns.

So the antiChrist is destroyed with a large mass of sunspot activity? Is this where you want to go?

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-18T04:42:19-0600

Dan Perez said:
# D How were you BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT ?

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Every person is born through a WATER SAC i.e. born of WATER.

And 1 John 4:7 applies to every person as well.

Therefore, love ALL neighbors. We'll be spending eternity with them all

Apple Sky · 2025-11-18T04:37:20-0600

prodromos said:
Heaven forbid them being actual challenges for you to make a response.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-18T04:35:09-0600

prodromos said:
It has not been proven, this is a lie you repeat over and over.

No, well watch a few videos in real time where they have done the laser experiment proving the earth has no curvature.
If you want I can post a few, but I know you wont watch them or even believe them.

prodromos · 2025-11-18T04:33:19-0600

Apple Sky said:
Sometimes I think that people are only posting on this thread to bump up their reaction score.

Heaven forbid them being actual challenges for you to make a response.

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