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Yusuphhai · 2025-12-09T03:17:55-0600

dichotomy

Shemjaza · 2025-12-09T03:16:18-0600

Aggie said:
Anybody remember me? I was a regular on this forum from 2004 until 2018, after which I mostly moved on to other things. I don't plan on becoming a regular here again, but I'm back for the time being to ask about a recent piece of evolutionary anthropology news.

https://x.com/OriginsUnveiled/status/1964040999468224774

According to this analysis, when the human and chimpanzee genomes are compared while including portions that hadn't previously been sequenced, their similarity drops from the commonly given 98% value to 84.7%. On the surface this seems valid, and the conclusion has been accepted by Jerry Coyne, an evolutionary biologist who is qualified to evaluate it. Jerry Coyne's post from yesterday is what brought this analysis to my attention.

But there is something odd about this conclusion: it's virtually identical to an argument made in 2012 by Jerry Bergman and Jeffrey Tomkins in the Journal of Creation. Bergman and Tomkins' 2012 argument was that when human and chimpanzee genomes are compared using data typically omitted from these comparisons, the percentage similarity drops to somewhere in the 81-87 percent range. Either the recent analysis by "Origins Unveiled" is an example of a major creationist claim being vindicated by mainstream evolutionary anthropology, or it's a very clever false flag operation by a creationist or Intelligent Design proponent, which was convincing enough for even Jerry Coyne to be fooled.

Looking more closely, I've noticed a few other possible red flags. First, the argument made by "Origins Unveiled" (and accepted by Jerry Coyne) is based on a paper published in Nature on April 9th. The exact same argument made by "Origins Unveiled"—that this paper shows the creationist figure of 81-87% to be correct—was previously made six months ago by Casey Luskin of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture. And second, "Origins Unveiled" is a relatively new Twitter account (registered in 2024) without any identifying information, aside from that they were a were considering a Ph.D in evolutionary anthropology until they quit due to "the rampant political correctness I witnessed among professors and students in potential university programs". Some of the account's other posts include accurate summaries of evolutionary anthropology concepts, but a fair number of creationists have legitimate PhDs and have published mainstream biology or geoscience research, so the ability to accurately explain these concepts doesn't prove the account's provenance either way.

I would like some help evaluating whether the "Origins Unveiled" Twitter account is for real, and whether it's a coincidence that they've reached the same conclusion as Luskin (and also previously Bergman and Tomkins), or whether this Twitter account is being operated someone associated with the Discovery Institute who's posing as an evolutionary anthropologist. I suppose it's also possible that this account belongs to a creationist or ID proponent but that the substance of their argument is still correct. I'm aware of one other case where a creationist objection (not to the theory evolution itself, but to the way it's been presented in textbooks) turned out to be valid.

The problem with cherry picking methods of comparison to drop the similarity of chimps and humans to 85% is that the same method make gorrillas and other gorillas less related still.

This means the comparison clearly isn't useful as a demonstration of separate lineage.

Robban · 2025-12-09T03:06:51-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
You said that there was a distinction between immigrants and refugees. Trump canceled the temporary protected status of Haitians and is sending them back in February. I figured since you made the distinction, you knew something about the places where these folks were being sent back to.

It is about drawing lines, wishy washyism leads to chaos. As an American you should know, your flag has red lines.

But back to reality, the only thing I know of the place apart from the clear waters is, well, what is there to say............

the leaving was the best, but that I can say of many places.

Bradskii · 2025-12-09T02:56:41-0600

Valletta said:
The Somali Welfare Fraud Scandal Is Even Worse Than You Think

The Somali-tied welfare fraud scheme in Minnesota is likely far worse than the American people think, involving “complicit” state government officials and totaling far more stolen money than original early estimates stated, according to Homeland Security Advisor Stephen Miller.Billions of...

www.dailywire.com

Do yourself a big favour. Try to find reputable sources to back up any claims you want to make. And tell anyone who thinks to use that dismal excuse for a human being such as Miller to support anything whatsoever is only illustrating their own gullibility.

rjs330 · 2025-12-09T02:55:15-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
expected that, when presented as evidence of the claim that "Islamism is the biggest and most deadly threat in the world today" that they would at least support that claim.

Thats ridiculous. Nobody does that. We make a statement and then provide evidence and examples as to why we believe that way. You don't hunt for exact quotes of what you say.

iluvatar5150 said:
In what world does reading and summarizing them back to you constitute ignoring them?

I didn't ignore them. I just thought they weren't any good. You tried to support your claim, but did a bad job of it.

No you ignore the information in them. Put them all together and it clearly shares information ad to why they are dangerous.

iluvatar5150 said:
Oh, I didn't forget what you said, but it seems like you might have. Here it is again:

So you didn't forget. You just misrepresented.

iluvatar5150 said:
You're conflating things. For civil marriages, she has the same legal rights as anybody. It's only within the religious community that the various religious rules are imposed. This is no different than the way Christian churches (especially Catholics) handle church rules around divorce and remarriage. Folks have had to petition the diocese for annulments for eons.

You are not really trying to claim that Muslim women have far fewer rights among the Islamist communities are you? How they can be in danger of harm? You are just showing your ignorance of the Islamic communities where these people are coming from and their Islamist ways. You aren't really equating this with the Catholic Church and annulments are you?

You cant be this ignorant of the Islamists.

For some Muslim wives, abuse has no borders

Im sure you'll find a way to ignore rhis too.

iluvatar5150 said:
Yeah? What hypocritical things do I support from the left?

Correct me if Im wrong, but I believe I have pointed it out in the past. Do you expect me to keep a tally and log each time I do so for future reference? You are going to be disappointed.

Rescued One · 2025-12-09T02:48:47-0600

ChubbyCherub said:
Thank you very much for the quick response!

Church roles aside, he still states that women are prone to idleness, gossip etc and can only be redeemed through childbirth.

Why do we have to give birth to redeem ourselves of Eves sin in addition to having to redeem ourselves in the way men do?

Is this culturally specific or time specific or does he mean to apply this across all spans of time for eternity?

The point re: church roles has been brought up in my church and their view is that Paul only meant that women should be submissive and quiet in church due to the culture of Corinth, where he was teaching at the time, but I note that he says a similar thing in Timothy to those in Ephesus. So, this is where Corinth context seems to have made sense but then when off piste.

Thanks so much!

Quote the verses that supposedly support your statements.

Rescued One · 2025-12-09T02:38:45-0600

ChubbyCherub said:
Some of us were raised with the KJV and it is a source of comfort and nostalgia and often the first time we came across the Bible. The language used isn't a barrier because, when I was growing up, we read it and sought understanding if we didn't understand. We didn't just give up trying to learn out of the effort it required or lack of resource.

Why don't people up their knowledge instead of decry what is from when it was from?

It's great there are newer versions, in more modern text, but I will always say the Lords Prayer via KJV, Psalms 23 etc.

The KJV reminds me of my grandma, church, poetry and the homage and respect language gave to God at the time it was written.

Re: Wycliffe, I read this as well as the Geneva. If I don't understand the phraseology or the letters etc, I find out.

I was given a KJV Bible at age nine. I memorized verses in KJV, especially the Lord's Prayer and Psalm 23.

Larniavc · 2025-12-09T02:37:23-0600

RamiC said:
They certainly are not doing it quietly, as if it would be rude to complain.

Quite. And yet all the while claiming that they have been ‘silenced’ while talking through a sound system on stage in the middle of London.

David Lamb · 2025-12-09T02:35:26-0600

ChubbyCherub said:
Well, that is a failing in our school system, I guess.

And, the failing in our school system was left as a gap in the failing of our churches who should have taught the correct usage re: phrases/words required if they are using the KJV.

Why expect teachers in schools to teach that "carriages" used to mean "luggage," that "fetched a compass" meant "turned around," etc.? Such meanings are not "correct usage" in the English of today.

Larniavc · 2025-12-09T02:34:45-0600

rjs330 said:
Yup, and thats bad. How many Muslim countries is it outlawed and punishable by death?

And Nigeria. That puts it at about an 80/20 split between Muslim and Christian.

But for illegality of being gay it’s more likely 50/50. This differences seem to be more on the national in question’s view on the death penalty where more bloodthirsty punitive nations pursue the death penalty and more (relatively) liberal ones don’t.

CLEEB · 2025-12-09T02:32:06-0600

I believe the church is taught by GOD through Jesus Christ. Jesus said , John 6:45 , John 14:26 , John said , 1 John 2:27
we have the anointing that teaches us. This is saying we are taught by divine revelation just like the prophets and Apostles were. I do not think that any man or woman can reach anyone spiritual things, only GOD can do this. These shepherds in the churches today think they can do what only GOD can do. The early church was not a one man show. 1 Corinthians 14:29 since we are taught by divine revelation then we must be prophets and prophetesses because no man can teach us. This idea is in the scriptures if you look for it. I believe that that after the deaths of all the Apostles massive deception began and many false churches came and took the name of Christian and perverted it. There is a prophecy in Ezekiel 34 about these false shepherds and what GOD said HE would do about it. This is a hard thing to see but this too is in the scriptures if you search for it.

Rescued One · 2025-12-09T02:31:43-0600

martinlb said:
If people choose to speak or act during church, prayer meetings, bible studies, and so on, in a manner that's not how they normally conduct themselves I'd like to suggest there's the actual possibility of a problem.

Holiness and piety are not things that change when we speak in KJ English; they aren't things that we can create or enhance by changing the form of English we use.

What might the implications be of feeling we can?

I think this would usually be a subconscious experience but that actually would make it more serious, not less.

I have attended many denominations. I never heard any group of people who use King James English every day. I can't recall every church I've attended, but a somewhat accurate list is this: Methodist, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist including Southern Baptist, various Mennonite churches, Reformed Church of North America, Presbyterian, non-denominationl, Eastern Orthodox, "Full Gospel" charismatic, and Mormon. Mormons said we should use "Thee" and "Thou" in prayer. It seems silly to me; non-English speaking countries don't.

David Lamb · 2025-12-09T02:28:53-0600

ChubbyCherub said:
Some of us were raised with the KJV and it is a source of comfort and nostalgia and often the first time we came across the Bible. The language used isn't a barrier because, when I was growing up, we read it and sought understanding if we didn't understand. We didn't just give up trying to learn out of the effort it required or lack of resource.

Why don't people up their knowledge instead of decry what is from when it was from?

It's great there are newer versions, in more modern text, but I will always say the Lords Prayer via KJV, Psalms 23 etc.

The KJV reminds me of my grandma, church, poetry and the homage and respect language gave to God at the time it was written.

Re: Wycliffe, I read this as well as the Geneva. If I don't understand the phraseology or the letters etc, I find out.

That is fine when you know you need to look up a word or phrase. However, there are words and phrases in he KJV which are still used today, but with totally different meanings. Examples are: "carriages", "prevent" and "fetched a compass." Unless you know that such a word or phrase has changed its meaning, you would not see any need to look it up.

Larniavc · 2025-12-09T02:27:16-0600

rjs330 said:
But I will post information just like above.

Please do.

Larniavc · 2025-12-09T02:26:28-0600

rjs330 said:
There are 30 large Sharia courts in the UK. There are as many smaller ones.

Name the ones with legal power please.

Larniavc · 2025-12-09T02:25:37-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Do I see major flaws within Hinduism and Sikhism and the way the caste system is used? Yeah

Side point (more a rhetorical question); how is that caste system any worse than the Capitalist caste system?

Larniavc · 2025-12-09T02:23:23-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
He's also said that the secular world's insistence on keeping up a perception of "even-handedness" is an Achilles heel.

That’s because they don’t seek worldly power unlike Christian’s Nationalists and Islamic Fundamentalism.

Larniavc · 2025-12-09T02:21:38-0600

rjs330 said:
You don't live here so you have no idea.

Did you proof read what you have just written? You are literally telling me what is happening in MY country.

Smh.

Larniavc · 2025-12-09T02:20:06-0600

rjs330 said:
Whereas there are millions of Islamists who want to and have ruled in many countries.

So it’s rare lone wolves when it’s Christians and millions when it’s Muslims?

Where have I heard that before?

Larniavc · 2025-12-09T02:13:40-0600

Wolseley said:
but it still appears that things on the Sceptered Isle are far from peachy wonderful.

Frankly the biggest problem is the far right like Farage and Yaxley-Lennon whipping up all the gammons in a racist frenzy.

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