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MarcusGregor · 2025-12-03T08:44:39-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Completely relevant - it is what started this whole fluff and stuff - if one part is made up - how do you know what else is made up? There are no military experts here - no one here has been in the room when all this was happening, and the left and their propaganda media will not, for any reason at any time, believe anything that comers from the administration.

So they will bloviate for as long as it get's people riled up.

again.

Well, yeah. We're all going off of reporting and information released to the public. What else would be expected on a public forum? What else should we talk about in this thread about this incident?

But it remains that the incident apparently did happen and there will (should) be accountability.

Studyman · 2025-12-03T08:42:42-0600

Bob S said:
How could an Israelite be saved by the Old Covenant Law? The Old Covenant was never about salvation. All the Law could do was point out sin. Only Jesus saves.

This is true. The Law defines sin. Where there is no Law, there is no sin. There can't be sin, because as you said, the LAW points out sin.

Bob S said:
How are Jews who have not accepted Jesus any different than the rest of humanity? Gal3:
19 Why, then, was the law given at all? (to Israel) It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

So Bob, as you have pointed out, there is no transgression of God's Law, without God's Law. We know Adam sinned, therefore there was law. Cain was warned about Sin, therefore there was LAW.

Gen. 4: 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. Gen. 18: 20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

And we know Abraham obeyed God's Laws, Commandments and Statutes.

Gen. 26: 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

So what Law is Paul speaking to here?

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

What Law was "ADDED" 430 years after Abraham, that the Pharisees were still promoting? This "LAW" was ADDED "Because of Transgressions (SIN)"? Transgressions of what? That would be transgressions of the Commandments, Statutes and Laws of God, Yes? If not, then what?

You and I have been taught lies about this chapter, by this world's religious system since we were kids. And our parents, and their parents, taught the same lie, just as the Jews in Jesus Time had been told lies about God for centuries.

I would have you consider that the "LAW" given "Because of Sin", is not God's definition of sin. That makes no sense and in frankly absurd. All men have sinned, are are in need of atonement. In the Bible, this atonement was achieved through a "Priesthood". In Moses Time, God made a Priesthood Covenant with Levi, to provide for the remission of sins. It was called the "Levitical Priesthood" which was after "The Order of Aaron" of the Tribe of Levi. Obviously this LAW wasn't in effect or given in Abraham's Time because Levi was not even born until centuries after Abraham was dead. This Priesthood Law/Covenant was only Temporary, according to the Law and Prophets, because there was a Prophesied Priest, "After the Order of Melchizedek", that was to come "After those days". And just like the Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron", this NEW Priesthood was also ADDED "Because of Transgressions", which is the purpose of the Priesthood LAW in the first place. Paul said the LAW he is speaking to, was ADDED " till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; Gen. 26: 4 "and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;"

I believe this "SEED" is the Jesus "of the Bible.

But the mainstream preachers of the world in that time, the Pharisees, didn't believe Jesus was that SEED. This is undeniable Biblical Fact. They were still promoting the Old Priesthood LAW for the remission of sins. A LAW Abraham wasn't under. Paul is explaining that the LAW they were promoting, was Prophesied to end at the arrival of the Prophesied Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "Till the SEED should come".

And this Priesthood was a school master that was to LEAD those men to Christ, as it did for Zacharias, David, Simeon, Anna, Shadrack, Daniel, even Abraham saw the Day of the Prophesied Messiah. But the Pharisees and their fathers, according to the Holy Scriptures, corrupted the Priesthood and therefore were not led to Christ, as it is written.

Mal. 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye "have not" kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

In the past you have just blown off these Holy Words of the God inspired Holy Scriptures. I'm hoping maybe this time, you or others reading along, can see the truth of Gal. 3, and the LAW that was ADDED that the Pharisees were still promoting to the Galatians, even though the Promised Seed had come.

PloverWing · 2025-12-03T08:41:10-0600

Hans Blaster said:
Never posted on Reddit. I'm an ex-Usenet poster.

Hey, me too, on both counts. I wonder if we ever met under our real names there... :wave:

Always in His Presence · 2025-12-03T08:34:49-0600

MarcusGregor said:
Not really relevant. It doesn't matter what words were used. The incident happened. The law was broken. Who needs to go to prison for war crimes? Thats really the only question that needs to be answered now.

Completely relevant - it is what started this whole fluff and stuff - if one part is made up - how do you know what else is made up? There are no military experts here - no one here has been in the room when all this was happening, and the left and their propaganda media will not, for any reason at any time, believe anything that comers from the administration.

So they will bloviate for as long as it get's people riled up.

again.

CoreyD · 2025-12-03T08:31:56-0600

JohnClay said:
Actually there is a hidden version of the game that is more explicit. It quotes Ezekiel 23 including verse 20 which I think could be considered pornographic (if the language is more literal like the NIRV rather than using euphemisms in the translation). It is $1 which limits it to people with access to payment systems and you need certain options enabled.

Well the title is "Brutal Bible Bloodbaths" and the capsule shows a woman being sliced open vertically. If it didn't deliver blood and gore they might feel disappointed. Though on the other hand there is the option to turn off the blood and gore where they have a Y or N choice at the warning screen.
Also I got a negative review from a Christian about the lack of suffering. I don't want to get any more of those negative reviews. I wanted to point out that you aren't the target market.

Well I wanted to have a different approach to regular games about the Bible. I think the passages are shocking so the gameplay reflects that - in a cartoonish way (a bit like South Park). If the graphics were photorealistic it would be more shocking.

You know the audience you are targeting, and it's not for Christians - those that follow Christ, that is, and love the Lord. Psalm 11:5 expresses that, as well as Psalm 97:10 and Romans 12:9.

MarcusGregor · 2025-12-03T08:29:55-0600

Always in His Presence said:
And the part where the Secretary of War told them to "kill them all" - how is that going.

Not really relevant. It doesn't matter what words were used. The incident happened. The law was broken. Who needs to go to prison for war crimes? Thats really the only question that needs to be answered now.

Factotum · 2025-12-03T08:27:12-0600

notforgotten said:
I think I heard the angels sing upon your arrival. Welcome!

"I was weary.
Then I saw you, and I was pleased." --Benson Brown

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-03T08:24:19-0600

Servus said:
Sure thing, just let me look up what the enlistment policy is for 64 year olds.

Oh well, 65 is the cut for total service with a few exceptions but they won't let you in.

MarcusGregor · 2025-12-03T08:22:06-0600

Sounds like socialism...

This is actually something I could get behind, but I'm super duper skeptical of the motivations and possible grifting going on behind the scenes. Like why would Dell contribute 6.5 Billion dollars to this besides an obvious tax shelter? Also, what funds will the money be invested in? It mentions EFTs too. Like what EFTs? Trump Coin perhaps?

Always in His Presence · 2025-12-03T08:21:31-0600

MarcusGregor said:
Apparently there is video of the incident that hasn't been released to the public and the administration has admitted that it happened and are now passing the blame between the Admiral and Hegseth.

And the part where the Secretary of War told them to "kill them all" - how is that going.

Hentenza · 2025-12-03T08:20:24-0600

JulieB67 said:
The Greek word is ἐντολή entole -injunction- e.e. an authoritative prescription -commandment, precept.

I'm using the KJV and the link you posted with has commandments in it as well.

στολή stolḗ, stol-ay'; from G4724; equipment, i.e. (specially), a "stole" or long-fitting gown (as a mark of dignity):—long clothing (garment), (long) robe.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 9x
The KJV translates Strong's G4749 in the following manner: robe (5x), long clothing (1x), long garment (1x), them (with G848) (1x), long robe (1x).

Most updated translations use stole which translates as robes or garments. One of the reasons why I dont use the KJV.

JulieB67 said:
But you have but a few verses that you believe supports you. Are you supposed to thrown out the rest of the Bible then? I try not to that and try and seek reason within it to come to the right conclusion.

The Bible interprets itself. There is no tension if you interpret it correctly. In your doctrine there is plenty of tension added that should not be there. I not only have a “few” verses as you call it but also linguistic and ECF evidence.

For instance, your doctrine rests on a bad interpretation of “destroy” which you guys interpret as utterly destroy but that is not the case. The word used to describe how the world was destroyed (apollumi) “being flooded with water,” but the world was still there (2 Peter 3:6). Also, consider how it can be in references to people who are spiritually lost (apollumi) such as the lost sheep of Israel but were still alive (Matt. 10:6; 15:24), and the Prodigal Son who was lost (apollumi), yet still alive (Luke 15:24, 32). So, it can be used to designate the destruction of something that remains.

JulieB67 said:
So you don't believe there's no such thing as death? Again, why use that word if all have life in the end? And why does Christ specifically use the word "second' death?

There is death for the body in the first death, hence the body decomposes or is turned to ashes in an earthly, physical fire like the ones the destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The spirit goes back to God that created it (Ecc. 12). During the second death all are resurrected, ie given new bodies, some to eternal life but the wicked to eternal punishment.

Please cite the verse about Christ and the second death that you want to discuss. Thanks.

JulieB67 said:
Yeah, well I think of it as I stopped drinking the kool aid.

That’s all I can ask.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-03T08:16:49-0600

Never mind.

RDKirk · 2025-12-03T08:11:52-0600

Postvieww said:
Not everyone agrees with you. In combat when a target is hit and some are missed unless they come out with white flags mop up is usually done.

False. "White flags" are not necessary in any circumstance, and particularly not at sea. The LOAC is very specific about the sea situation.

MarcusGregor · 2025-12-03T08:11:49-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Show me the proof that any of this actually happened.

There is footage, but it hasn't been released to the public. The administration has admitted that it happened and are passing the blame between the admiral and Hegseth. The fact that it happened is not in dispute.

MarcusGregor · 2025-12-03T08:07:51-0600

Always in His Presence said:
All the accusation needs is proof.

A Washington Post article from yet another unnamed source that was so bad even The NY Times had to correct it is not proof.

Apparently there is video of the incident that hasn't been released to the public and the administration has admitted that it happened and are now passing the blame between the Admiral and Hegseth.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-03T08:04:53-0600

Postvieww said:
Your evidence for machine gun fire is what!

Well, you're right. I don't know if it was actually machine gun fire*--that's just what was used in the example in the military's illegal order training.
What difference does it make? As long as the survivors were killed, isn't that enough for you?

*edit--it was probably a Reaper drone armed with Hellfire missiles.

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Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-03T08:00:14-0600

Postvieww said:
Your evidence for machine gun fire is what!

Come on out and see! Certainly no one is going to post it on their Facebook account with all the attention.

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