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Kathleen30 · 2025-12-14T05:05:58-0600

Apple Sky said:
What just because I didn't say ' I don't believe that anyone has been to moon', I've made no mistake & have nothing to be sorry for.

And you’ve said often in previous posts you don’t believe in the moon landings but now seems a simple reference AI post that mentions the moon landing whilst you were only pointing out the influence of masonry upon NASA means that according to some that that you have some how contradicted your self . Some funny . We've had , Russia gate . And now we have Mole gate : )

Richard T · 2025-12-14T05:05:48-0600

I Imagine many of those folks are not legalistic but just wishing the widow to come out of grieving and do something that takes her mind off her husband's death. In general though you seem right on focusing on the true meaning of Christmas.

prodromos · 2025-12-14T05:04:42-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Then Apple would probably be accused of not presenting a truthful account of the source : ) best leave in its original format

Do you have any reason to believe we would do that based on past interactions on this forum? You are not giving us enough credit and are giving far too much to Apple Sky.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-14T05:00:43-0600

BIDEN!!!!!!

Richard T · 2025-12-14T04:59:19-0600

Also secular but I like "I'm dreaming of a white Christmas" sung by Bing Crosby. My parents played that. His voice is so great. As a kid you always wanted snow too if you lived where that was possible.

Bob Crowley · 2025-12-14T04:56:32-0600

I thought you were older than that!

Unless you have successive lines of forebears all using the same meme!

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-14T04:55:45-0600

In other completely normal news, apparently the Trump administration is doing what every single other administration has done and is requesting immunity for war crimes from the International Criminal Court.

Richard T · 2025-12-14T04:52:33-0600

Michie said:
A Republican U.S. representative is sponsoring a bill that would require fathers to cover half of pregnancy-related costs for mothers carrying their children.

Rep. Ashley Hinson, R-Iowa, is sponsoring the Supporting Healthy Pregnancy Act, Fox News Digital reported.

The bill would require the father of a child to pay for at least half of out-of-pocket medical expenses involved with pregnancy and delivery. This would become a legal requirement only after the mother puts in a request.

Hinson said she is working to “expand access to maternal care” and to “ensure women have resources throughout pregnancy and beyond.”

Continued below.

Proposed U.S. law would require fathers to financially support pregnant moms

Here is a roundup of recent pro-life and abortion-related news.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

That is a good law. It will help mothers along and the dad needs to start being responsible since he will be paying for quite some time. Of course if the woman in wrong about the father, then all that money needs to be returned. Since some pregnancy expenses are quite large, I would hope that men at risk of getting someone pregnant have a chance to upgrade their health insurance to cover such an event.
The one negative I see here though is that some men may try to push the woman into an abortion even more to avoid the expenses.

Kathleen30 · 2025-12-14T04:51:49-0600

prodromos said:
Then only quote what you agree with.

Then Apple would probably be accused of not presenting a truthful account of the source : ) best leave in its original format

Apple Sky · 2025-12-14T04:46:14-0600

Strong in Him said:
What? Try to understand what you wrote?

My posts are not that hard to understand.

rocknanchor · 2025-12-14T04:45:26-0600

You regulars here may well be ahead of THIS curve I learned just this morning? AI it appears protects some of the most unsuspecting RINOs (Republican in name only), until you to basically, pry it out. Stemming from this release from the President, ,

Grassley and GOP Force Trump Pick to Withdraw

But the piece, did not inform what GOP was behind this? After repeated attempts, finally fessed to this, ,

"On December 12, 2025, Senator Chuck Grassley played a pivotal role in the withdrawal of Julianne Murray's nomination as U.S. Attorney for Delaware. He was supported by several GOP Senators, notably:

Joni Ernst (Iowa)
Mike Crapo (Idaho)
Ted Cruz (Texas)
Marsha Blackburn (Tennessee)"

prodromos · 2025-12-14T04:45:07-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Prodromus I sometimes I use sources like wiki doesn’t mean I agree with everything in the source they wrote it’s a matter of the discernment of what one chooses to be truth and and not truth AI overview be in the same category .

Then only quote what you agree with.

Richard T · 2025-12-14T04:44:01-0600

So he got his start in plastics by getting a job with his wife's family owned business. Kudos to him working his way to a CEO in plastics. So I imagine a true expert in the field. But unqualified to offer medical advice in either education or experience. The media and people should just ignore this but those with a microphone (the famous and powerful) always seem to go further than their expertise. We see a lot more of this in the Trump administration where often loyalty is more important than great credentials. That is why his second term is looking to be far more difficult.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-14T04:39:59-0600

Apple Sky said:
Yes - I don't understand why she is doing this

What? Try to understand what you wrote?
You're right - why do I bother to do that? It's not as though it's important.

Kathleen30 · 2025-12-14T04:39:08-0600

prodromos said:
The problem still stands. If you don't believe the AI overview is factual regarding moon landings, how can you trust it to be factual about freemason involvement in NASA?

Prodromus I sometimes I use sources like wiki doesn’t mean I agree with everything in the source they wrote it’s a matter of the discernment of what one chooses to be truth and and not truth AI overview be in the same category .

Dan1988 · 2025-12-14T04:35:47-0600

RamiC said:
You said you could...post # 146 "I can give you a truckload of verses showing that those in the lake of fire are all tormented day and night for ever and ever."

That's right I could, but I won't because you wouldn't believe them. You must have already read them before and dismissed them so I'm not going to confront you with them again.

RamiC said:
You said you could...post # 146 "I can give you a truckload of verses showing that those in the lake of fire are all tormented day and night for ever and ever."

prodromos · 2025-12-14T04:35:43-0600

Apple Sky said:
Yes - I don't understand why she is doing this

Apple Sky · 2025-12-14T04:33:10-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Yet you continue to want to make a mountain out of Mole hill.

Yes - I don't understand why she is doing this

Dan1988 · 2025-12-14T04:29:00-0600

Studyman said:
What a fascinating and astonishing religious philosophy. Because I am told by God and His Son Jesus, to Seek Him, and I do, you preach to the world that I am contradicting Scripture, lying to you, and abusing scripture and that I don't believe God, because David said among men who say there is no God, "there is none that seek God".

When I show you David and Paul's actual words, you completely ignore them, refusing to even acknowledge they even exist .

And then you accuse me of Abusing Scripture and that I don't believe God.

It's OK that you do these things, Jesus said you would. I was just hoping for more of an actual discussion about what is written.

Now Wait a minute Dan, You have said over and over, "there is none that seek after God". When I point to Scriptures that show men who, like myself, have and continue to Seek God, to Seek His face, to Seek His Righteousness, you accuse me of "Abusing Scripture", of "Twisting Scripture", basically lying about both God and myself. And you accuse me of not believing God.

But now, all of the sudden, your preaching has changed. Now all the sudden, are were actually men that do seek God. Which is what the Scriptures I posted, that you called irrelevant, have said all along.

Fascinating.

I see, so in your religion, God just randomly picks men to seek Him, not by them humbling themselves, as the Scriptures teach, but by some secret Holy Lottery in which even though God tells all men to SEEK Him, He withholds the capacity to do so for many, based on nothing a man chooses. And of course HE chose you but apparently didn't choose me.

Imagine that.

I see, so the Bible, the Prophets, Jesus, the Apostles, all of the Scriptures are a lie in your religion? All Irrelevant in your religion. All the pleading with God to the people of the earth to turn to Him, to Seek Him, is all a deception, Hollywood, an illusion. All Jesus' teaching for men to "repent" and "come to Him, just an illusion because men have no choice, and never had a choice in the matter.

So then, according to what you call the "Facts" of your religion, Abraham's Righteousness and faith were given to Abraham by God, based on nothing Abraham chose to do or even wanted. While the same God withheld from the men of Sodom, the same Faith and the same Righteousness or the desire to have them. Then the same God destroyed the men of Sodom, "because" there was no one righteous among them.

What a Fascinating judgment against God. That HE tells men over and over and over and over in the Holy Scriptures, to turn to Him in repentance, but according to your religion, withholds from them the ability for them to do so. Then slaughtered them by the thousands when they refused to turn to Him in repentance.

While at the same time forcing others like Abraham, based on no choice they ever made or desire they ever exhibited, to turn to Him in repentance, promising to reward them with the gift of eternal life in paradise, "Because" they turned to Him in repentance.

Therefore, you have no need for scriptures, Jesus, the Prophets, God's Word, faith, righteousness, as you yourself declares, these things are all irrelevant in your religion, because God does it all for you. But withholds the same for me.

Because You hit the Holy Lottery, and I didn't.

What an astonishing and fascinating religion. And a great one for those like you who hit the Holy lotto.

Not so great for the rest of us, who believe what is actually written..

No, that is just another of your many misrepresentations of both my words and Gods. I am not, nor can you find even one word in any of my posts, where I am proposing that I resurrected myself. You know this, and yet you still promote the falsehood. This shows more about your heart, than mine. Nevertheless, to address what you said, I was Spiritually dead, not physically. What you refuse to accept, and no doubt will refuse to even discuss, is that God is a Spirit, and therefore I, who was dead spiritually, not physically, can hear Him.

The Spirit of God tells all the Spiritually Dead, from Abel and Abraham to Paul and me, " To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation."

The teaching you are promoting, that God tells those who are spiritually dead in trespasses and sins, "To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.", but then hardens their heart so they cannot do as His Voice instructs, and then punishes them with everlasting destruction, "Because" their heart was hardened by no choice of theirs, is an evil and wicked judgment against God.

I will not join you in this astonishing and false religious judgment against God.

Given you have exalted yourself as a Judge against God, accusing Him of all manner of wickedness and injustice, it is no surprise that you would also make such judgments against me.

This is actually an honor for me, and a signal from the Christ "of the Bible", that I am on the right tract.

Nevertheless, there is a point in which I am instructed to shake the dust. I have reached that point. I hope that you might consider what the Scriptures actually teach about these things, even if it is in the privacy of your own home, just you and God. But there is no edification for anyone to continue in this manner of discourse.

So long.

I get the sense that your not interested in what the truth of the matter is. You seem to be more interested in defending your religious denomination, then defending the truth of the gospel.

God said that none seek after Him, and you just can't accept that He said that, even after I showed you the verse several times.

The only reason I can think of why you reject the scripture, is because you don't believe that mankind inherited death from Adam. You seem to think that carnal, spiritually dead men can fabricate faith, repentance and create a new righteous spirit for themselves.

All of the scriptures you cited, spoke about regenerated, converted people. None of them chose to obey the gospel, while they were still dead. God had to quicken them to life and give them the gift of faith, the gift of repentance and everything else that pertains to salvation. The only thing they contributed were filthy rags and a stinking corpse.

All of the exhortations to seeks out Gods will and to seek to obey Him, were for people who are already saved. You probably don't believe that anyone is saved until they reach the end of their life and then their good deeds will be weighed against their evil deeds.

The scripture I quoted described the whole of mankind in their natural sate, meaning everyone is born with a sin nature which makes them think that seeking God is foolish, and serving Him even more ridiculous, so they would never find it within themselves to repent.

Your theology is alien to me, it just doesn't line up with any of the doctrines I find in the bible.

Richard T · 2025-12-14T04:28:24-0600

Perhaps the decisions to arrest and make a big deal of this was so that the firing for "just cause" would be certain? So it could have been money motivated by the boosters and university officials at Michigan. But yes, how better it would have been to show more mercy but perhaps there is more to come about this case in which he deserves everything they are doing.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-14T04:25:51-0600

Strong in Him said:
No cow has ever jumped over the moon."

Oh really!

BPPLEE · 2025-12-14T04:24:27-0600

Pommer said:
I’m fairly certain that Muslims believe that Yahweh and Allah are the same Being.
Whatever it is that you, personally, know about the subject, you might not be…correct, based on the fact we’re talking about how other people believe.

What they believe has no bearing on what I believe

Richard T · 2025-12-14T04:23:35-0600

We live in a tech age, where tech seems to be even bigger than God. Charlie Kirk was a great influencer but he did not fit in that narrative. Neither did the American Pope who one could also argue as man of the year. In a sense it shows the pride of the USA, the focus is not on God and not religious people. It seems likely that after focusing on money and tech, that a lesson on humility may be next depending on what happens to American in 2026.

MarkRohfrietsch · 2025-12-14T04:23:35-0600

Unqualified said:
-13 degrees F. ?

-17 C = +1.5 F, -25 C = is indeed -13 F. The coldest I experienced was about 20 years ago. I was in New Liskeard Ontario visiting customers in January; -48 C for about a 14 hour period, day time highs were -38 C. -48 C = -54 F (-40 C = -40 F).

This morning it is -15 C. This is a picture of or house taken yesterday afternoon:

Kathleen30 · 2025-12-14T04:11:21-0600

Strong in Him said:
But she still quoted it.
She obviously went to the trouble of looking up how many astronauts were Freemasons and quoting/cutting and pasting the AI overview.
If she disagreed with something which she, herself, had chosen to post, then that could have been made clear as well.

If a person doesn't believe that any astronauts went to the moon, it's irrelevant whether they were Freemasons or not.
Charles Duke, and others, became Christians after they had been to the moon - @Apple Sky still thinks they were lying.

Freemasons can belong to any organisation or be found in any walk of life.
There are probably Christians among the 17,000+ people who work for NASA - it is not exclusively a Freemason organisation.

Maybe in that particular post. But in other posts, Apple Sky has repeatedly said that the astronauts who claimed to have gone to the moon were all Freemasons - implying that they can't be trusted. "Freemasons to the core" was one phrase I believe she used.

So, again, why quote an AI overview which specifically says that these astronauts who walked on the moon were Freemasons?
I don't believe the Loch ness monster exists, so why would I go to the effort of researching what it eats?
I don't believe the legend that Jesus visited England and went to Glastonbury, so why would I try to find out where he lived or what he did while he was here?
Do you see what I mean? If something didn't happen, details are irrelevant.

No, I didn't miss it.
It doesn't matter whether the words about the 6th man to walk on the moon were Apple Sky's own words or the words of AI - she quoted them.

She should have just said; "Freemasons or not; no one has ever walked on the moon".

No misunderstanding at all on my part - she looked for evidence of something that she doesn't believe happened.

If someone said to me, "and what were you wearing when you beat your husband?" I'm not going to wrack my brains to try to remember, or look on Facebook/Instagram to see if I can find evidence. I have never beaten my husband, so it's irrelevant, and a ridiculous question.

Strong in him you say she still quoted it . That’s right and she had every right to quote it in the perspective of what she was trying to explain . Apple makes it abundantly clear she is referring to the NASA - Masonic connection and in no ways says she agrees with astronauts landing on the moon . And you clearly know her position that being she believes no one has landed on the moon. And it begs the question why you have chosen to make a mountain out of mole hill.

You than say if a person doesn’t believe the astronauts never went to the moon. You say it’s irrelevant to whether they’re freemasons or not ? How does that make the philosophy or beliefs of masonry any less lethal. It doesn't. Your argument makes no sense . Apple certainly is not playing down the dangers of masonry just because they didn’t go to the moon . Far from it You than say masons can be found in any organisation or walk of life . Stronginhim that’s right and they still be just as lethal in their influence of those organisations too. You say some 17000 peoples work for nasa and they not be exclusively Freemasons. Stronginhim since when has freemasonry been exclusively Freemason when it comes to the entirety of the work force ? It hasn’t. They rely on their secrecy money and influence not numbers. What is your point ? I not follow your reasoning

Well its nice to know that maybe you might be wrong instead of demanding a apology like you and others have demanded in other posts. I don’t hear Sweet Apple demanding a apology from you all . Maybe that’s the difference between Law and Grace. Love ❤️ does not seek to accuse nor demand.

But as I read on. Yu say Yu didn’t miss anything and it doesn't matter whether it was a AI reference or personally written by Apple that claimed that man walked on moon . You Couldn’t More WRONG in what yu say. It makes the world of difference once you realise it’s AI overview references talking about the influence of masonry and mentioning the moon landings.also and you mistakenly or perhaps conveniently leave the sub heading AI OVERVIEW reference out of your post 2839 and than accuse Apple of contradicting herself about the moon landings of which she has never believed. AND YOU KNOW THAT .. but you want to go on with the accusation. That Apple agrees with the entire AI statement and therefore must apologise to you all when you fully know that Apple doesn't believe Astronauts landed on the moon.. her whole intention was merely to show the NASA - Masonic connection . Nothing more . Yet you continue to want to make a mountain out of Mole hill.

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