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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

Remember, it's presumed innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. Right now the law is on @Oompa Loompa's side if he's presuming innocence.
Wait, let me see if I've got this. The military shooting shipwrecked survivors of an attack are presumed innocent until proven guilty, but the people in the boats that were attacked are not? They're just presumed guilty automatically?

When was the trial where their guilt was proven in a court of law?

-- A2SG, musta missed that one....
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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

There's two sides to what happened. One can not in good faith accuse someone of defending war crimes or murder, until it's been proven by a court of law that war crimes and or murder took place.
Of course you can. Someone may be defending the act but not the label. If Joe Schmoe punches a baby in the face and his defenders deny that he committed child abuse, they are defending the act however it may be labeled.
It may turn out that neither charge is brought against those in the administration and the military who were involved and the action is ruled as justified.
The foxes may very well declare the hen-house rampagers as justified.
Remember, it's presumed innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. Right now the law is on @Oompa Loompa's side if he's presuming innocence.
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State leaders speak out about plans to expand the Islamic Academy of Alabama

We have freedom of religion, Tubberville is wrong and ultimately the Muslims will prevail.
You can't tell them that they can't build a larger school when it's a private school.
In Dearborn Michigan they have taken over the entire town and they have plans elsewhere to build a Muslim only community.
They really are not restricted that much in the US

I understand that this is a news and current events forum, not a Christian-only forum focused on missions and faith. However, the following information may be of interest.

The summary below was generated by AI, so please take the facts with a grain of salt.



Key Trends in Christian Missionary Work in Muslim-Majority Regions (1995–2025)

Overview of Major Missionary Trends​

Over the past thirty years, Christian missionary activity in Muslim-majority regions has undergone significant changes in scale, strategy, and geographic leadership. This period has seen dramatic shifts in how missionaries engage, how their work is supported, and the environments in which they operate.

Scale of Missionary Deployment​

A quantitative assessment conducted in 2010 by Todd M. Johnson and David R. Scoggins estimated that out of approximately 443,000 foreign Christian missionaries worldwide, nearly 85%—about 376,000 individuals—were serving in 52 countries where at least half the population is Muslim. This marked a substantial concentration of missionary efforts in these regions. Traditional institutional missions, such as schools and clinics, have increasingly been replaced by contextualized approaches that focus on subtle, relational outreach rather than direct church planting.

Evolution of Mission Strategies and Funding Sources​

Mission strategy has shifted notably in recent decades. For example, the Philippines now sends more missionaries to Muslim communities than Western nations do. Mission efforts increasingly prioritize social services, education, healthcare, and digital outreach. These methods are designed to adapt to local restrictions and cultural sensitivities, moving away from purely preaching-based models.

Growth of Digital and Media-Based Evangelism​

As governments in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) have imposed strict limitations on religious activity, Christian organizations have turned to digital media—including videos, apps, and online content—to reach Muslim audiences. This media-driven approach enables conversions and discipleship in contexts where traditional missionary work is restricted. Digital outreach has become vital for engaging populations in countries where overt religious activity faces legal barriers.

Legal Restrictions and Hostility​

Many Muslim-majority countries enforce strict laws against apostasy, blasphemy, and proselytizing. Countries such as Pakistan, Iran, and Saudi Arabia impose severe limitations on missionary freedoms. Reports from the U.S. State Department and Pew Research Center indicate that these restrictions have increased or remained high over the past decades. As a result, missionary strategies have shifted toward covert or indirect methods—such as discreet social services and digital engagement—to circumvent legal constraints.

Conversions from Islam to Christianity​

Reliable figures on conversions are difficult to obtain due to the sensitive nature of the issue. However, David Garrison’s 2014 research estimated that between 2 and 7 million Muslim-background believers (MBBs) have been baptized since the 1990s. Some missionary sources claim as many as 6 million conversions per year in Africa alone, though these statistics remain debated. Most conversions occur underground and are often linked to digital or clandestine outreach efforts.

Missionary Movements Led by the Global South​

Recent data shows that over 77% of global evangelicals now reside in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. These regions have become the primary senders of missionaries to Muslim-majority areas, marking a significant reversal from the historical dominance of Western-led missions. The Global South’s involvement has reshaped missionary language, culture, and methods, often allowing for closer cultural proximity between missionaries and the communities they serve.

Timeline of Major Shifts (1995–2025)​

  • 2007: Pew Research Center begins tracking global religious restrictions, establishing a baseline for measuring government hostility and limitations affecting missionary activity. Country scores date back to 2007, with peak restrictions noted in 2022.
  • 2010: Significant shift toward contextualization and a focus on social services. Johnson & Scoggins quantify foreign missionaries and highlight the increased reliance on education and healthcare, noting that few countries offer missionary visas.
  • 2010: The Philippines emerges as the largest sender of missionaries to Muslim contexts, reflecting the rise of non-Western mission activity.
  • 2014: Documentation of Muslim-background believers (MBBs) becomes prominent, with estimates placing baptisms between 2 and 7 million since the 1990s.
  • 2022: Government restrictions on religious activity reach peak levels, reinforcing the need for less visible, non-traditional missionary methods.
  • 2023: Comparative studies reveal that most major economies facilitate missionary travel with specific or work visas, while China and Saudi Arabia remain notable exceptions.
  • 2024: The Global South becomes the central force in sending missionaries to Muslim-majority regions, shifting the center of evangelical Christianity.
  • 2025: Digital media solidifies its role as a central channel for outreach in restrictive environments such as the MENA region.

Interpreting the Trends​

  • Contextualized Service: Legal and social hostilities have pushed missions toward relational, service-oriented work, often embedded in education, healthcare, and humanitarian aid.
  • Non-Western Sending Surge: Missionaries from Africa, Asia, and Latin America now lead outreach to Muslim regions, providing closer cultural connections and new strategic methods.
  • Digital-First Evangelism: As restrictions intensify, media ministries and online discipleship have expanded, supporting seekers who cannot safely access physical Christian communities.
  • Underground Conversions: Movements of Muslim-background believers continue across diverse regions, though documentation remains cautious due to risks associated with apostasy and blasphemy laws.




Decline of American Missionary Deployments to Muslim-Majority Countries


Overview of the Decline​

Over the past 30 years, missionary deployments from North America, particularly the United States, to Muslim-majority countries have experienced a noticeable decline. A 28-year survey of the U.S. missionary force revealed a steady reduction in the number of foreign missionaries. One major mission agency consistently reported year-over-year decreases in their missionary personnel. During this same period, engagement and awareness of the Great Commission among North American churchgoers has diminished significantly—only 17% of respondents could correctly describe the Great Commission, a trend that closely correlates with the shrinking missionary workforce.

Reasons for the Decline in U.S. Sending to Muslim Lands​

  • Theological Apathy in U.S. Churches:
  • Many congregations and pastors in the United States have shifted away from emphasizing missions or explicitly teaching the Great Commission. This change has resulted in low missional awareness and reduced participation within churches.
  • Shift of Mission Sending to the Global South:
  • While the United States continues to be the largest sender of missionaries globally, countries such as Brazil, South Korea, the Philippines, and Nigeria have become increasingly active. These Global South churches are often more focused on outreach to Muslim-majority areas than their Northern counterparts.
  • Legal, Visa, and Security Barriers:
  • American missionaries face mounting challenges in the form of stricter immigration restrictions, anti-proselytizing laws, and increased social hostility in many Muslim-majority nations. These obstacles have made traditional deployments more difficult and have prompted organizations to adopt non-traditional, indirect strategies such as digital ministries and social service projects.
  • Internal Organizational Challenges:
  • High turnover rates are a significant challenge for U.S. mission agencies, with the average agency losing nearly half of its missionaries within a decade. Nearly half of these departures are considered preventable and are often linked to issues of support and retention within the agencies themselves.

Implications of the Shift​

The U.S. church, once the central force in missions to Muslim-majority lands, has largely transferred leadership in these efforts to churches in the Global South. This change has led to greater diversity among missionary profiles, both culturally and geographically. Additionally, outreach strategies have evolved, with a greater emphasis on digital engagement, relational approaches, and service-based models, rather than traditional direct deployments.

If further detail or comparative data is desired, such as a chart comparing U.S. missionary numbers to Muslim-majority countries from 1995 to 2025, or an illustration of how visa and legal obstacles have escalated in specific countries, this information can be provided.
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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

From 2004 to 2018 the US conducted hundreds of airstrikes against terrorist operations in Pakistan, without being at war with Pakistan.
But we were in an authorized military action against the terrorists that would flee into Pakistan from Afghanistan.
In the same way the US is conducting airstrikes against Narco-terrorist operations coming out of or within Venezuela, without being at war with Venezuela.
So called Narco terrorists and not a military action authorized by Congress. This isn't about narcotics. If it was, Trump wouldn't be making deals with Cartels and criminal gangs, and Central American leaders that are guilty of bringing drugs into this country. Trump most likely wants Venezuelan oil.
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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

There's two sides to what happened. One can not in good faith accuse someone of defending war crimes or murder, until it's been proven by a court of law that war crimes and or murder took place. It may turn out that neither charge is brought against those in the administration and the military who were involved and the action is ruled as justified. Remember, it's presumed innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. Right now the law is on @Oompa Loompa's side if he's presuming innocence.
You cannot be for real. Your absolute lack of self awareness needs to be studied.
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Trump’s team sees Europe’s ‘erasure.’

Now it makes sense why your foreign policy views align with many of the Democrats I knew back in the '90s. They shared similar perspectives on foreign policy as you do.

I am a conservative, but not MAGA! The conservatism I believe ended the day Mitt Romney lost the 2012 election!

Welcome to the Redheaded step child table.
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The law, the commandments, and Christians.

The 10 are presented to a post-exodus Israel and establish a covenant relationship. They are framed in a way for a specific time, place and people and we shouldn't expect them to be universal as they were never presented that way. We cannot superimpose the 10 over Christian living and expect the same results because we are not in the same conditions the 10 were made in. The 10 have monotheistic claims and moral pillars framed in a way that uniquely challenges Israel and the surrounding cultures (through Israel). In the NT Christ reframes these as a heuristic approach over a list of dos and donts that is often summed up by NT authors as "loving your neighbour as yourself,"; this is known as "Christ's law".

It is this law that is fundamental and reaches deeper than the 10 can ever. First, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,” this includes the monotheistic claims of the 10 but also far greater. it is not only about idolatry, graven images and using his name in vain (which of course are not consistent with loving God with all your heart), but also innately our every action as directly involved with obedience to love God. Christ calls this the greatest commandment. The second is to love your neighbour as yourself. and this certainly includes not murdering your neighbour, stealing, lying, sleeping with their wife, etc... but it goes far deeper. We are no longer merely resisting doing harm, but Christ flips it and tells us we should be actively seeking to love others.

The 10 simply do not go to this length, and I may keep the 10 but hate my neighbour (and yes, even hate God), which is inconsistent with Christ's law. We cannot approach Christ if we cannot seriously approach our own actions critically to align with Christ. Christ's law has this goal, where the 10 are lacking, and we can keep the 10 while failing to critically address sin in our lives. This is the conversation Christ has with the Pharisees; it wasn't about how well they kept the law, Christ was more interested in their heart. The heuristic approach in Christ's law is not about a check list, and we must actively participate in understanding how our actions contribute to loving God/neighbour.

In its day the 10 were radical claims and ways of thinking challenging not just Israel but surrounding cultures too as a polemic to show order and restoration under God, but Christ's goes deeper than the 10 ever can; He is interested in letters of not just "the heart" but "OUR heart" which is the place where the value is birthed, but he is not interested in the letters on stone which can be exploited to support our own sin and may be devorced from our heart. It is good to think that murder, adultery, stealing, etc... are wrong but most (if not all) would accept this throughout all of civilization without any prompting and the 10 do not hold dominion over these moral claims. It is better to cut to the heart over a motivation to resist evil (which is limited, especially when condensed to 10), but actively be involved with doing good in all our actions. Christ himself tells us "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Mat 12:12), establishing that goodness itself is above sabbath law (directly) but also more broadly is a comment on all law and a nod to his own commandment that is Christ's law. This focus you will find is far more consistent throughout the NT.
I agree with most of this completely and yet this is the very reason Jesus could truthfully say in Matt 19:17,
"If you want to enter life, keep the commandments”, referencing the ten,

and Paul could say In Rom 2:13:
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous."

or in Rom 8:12-14
Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God."

The new covenant is not about whether one must be obedient but rather about how one becomes obedient, authentically, and, yes, love, which fulfills the law by its nature (Rom 13:10), is that authentic means. It's the righteousness that the law and prophets only testify to but cannot accomplish in us (Rom 3:21-22). That accomplishment comes solely by virtue of becoming united with the Vine, by communion with God, the very source of love. And that union, that ingrafting, is first established by faith.
"...not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith" (Phil 3:9).
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Donald Trump Says US To Launch Land Action in Venezuela ‘Very Soon’

Oil futures rose yesterday after news of the ship's seizure was announced.

"This is just yet another geopolitical/sanctions headwind hammering spot supply availability," Rory Johnston, an analyst with Commodity Context, said.

Good job Donald. It's almost as though he wants to increase the price oil. Shell oil, who ships 150,000 barrels per day to the US from Venezuela, should be happy with higher prices though.

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Date of authorship of Revelation

Before anyone becomes a Christian they are “in the world“ , they are unconverted and still in their sins. The scripture says all have sinned, just what is it that determines this ? What is that we have done that makes us sinners ? Scripture says we need Jesus to have these sins forgiven, so we need Jesus to take away whatever it is that says we are sinners. I know we are saved from our sins but what is it that calls us sinners
because that is what we need saved from. All people need saved from whatever it is that calls us sinners. People in the past, the present and the future all need saved from whatever it is that says we are sinners.
Sure, we need saved from sin but sin is the result of whatever it is that defines what sin is. What is it ?
Adam, and Eve the first sinners. God created everything good and very good so no disease or pain or death but they broke Gods one command to not eat from the tree of knowledge of good, and evil so God cursed the world in Genesis 3. All humans after them have 'sinned'. Creation was around 5500 BC. Creation . com and answers in genesis have articles about creation vs evolution biology fossils etc if someone has not looked into that already.

Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

So apparently Gods perfect law involves sacrificing animals on a temple mount temple in Judea, not wearing mixed fabrics, stoning other people to death, not eating shellfish, not once lying. So everyone has broken those laws. And it was saying even if someone followed all it still doesn't make them righteous only belief in Jesus death burial resurrection does. Eventually in Revelation 20-22 in the future in the new Jerusalem there is no more curse from Genesis 3. Believers have glorified bodies not ones that get sick and worn out like on earth, and believers life forever with God Jesus angels etc.

1 Corinthians 2 9 No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him

1. The Origin of Human Sin — Adam’s Fall

Genesis 3 (the entire chapter)

Human sin begins when Adam and Eve disobey God.

Specific verse describing the consequence:

Genesis 3:6

“The woman took of the fruit… and ate; she also gave to her husband… and he ate.”
This act introduces sin and death into human history.

Genesis 3:17

“Because you have eaten… cursed is the ground because of you.”

2. All Humans Inherit a Sinful Nature

Psalm 51:5

“Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.”
Shows sin is not just actions — it’s a condition.

Job 14:4

“Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? No one.”
This describes inherited impurity.


⚖️ 3. All People Commit Sin

Romans 3:23

“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”
This is the clearest universal statement.

1 Kings 8:46

“There is no one who does not sin.”
Even the Old Testament states universal sinfulness.

Ecclesiastes 7:20

“Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.”

4. Adam as the Source of Human Sin

Paul’s theology directly connects all human sin to Adam’s act.

Romans 5:12

“Through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned.”

Romans 5:19

“Through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners.”
This explains why we are sinners — we inherited Adam’s fallen condition.


5. Sin is Universal in the Human Heart

Jeremiah 17:9

“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked.”

Mark 7:21–23

Jesus explains sin comes from within:

“From within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts… All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

6. Humans Cannot Attain Righteousness on Their Own

Isaiah 64:6

“All our righteous acts are like filthy rags.”
Even our best deeds cannot erase our sinfulness.


Summary: Why Humans Are Sinners (Biblical Teaching)

  1. Adam’s original rebellion brought sin into the human race (Rom. 5:12).
  2. All humans inherit a sinful nature (Ps. 51:5).
  3. All commit personal sins (Rom. 3:23).
  4. The human heart is corrupted and produces evil (Jer. 17:9; Mark 7:21).
  5. No one is righteous by themselves (Eccl. 7:20; Isa. 64:6).
Put together:

We are sinners both by inheritance and by personal choice.
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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

There's two sides to what happened. One can not in good faith accuse someone of defending war crimes or murder, until it's been proven by a court of law that war crimes and or murder took place. It may turn out that neither charge is brought against those in the administration and the military who were involved and the action is ruled as justified. Remember, it's presumed innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. Right now the law is on @Oompa Loompa's side if he's presuming innocence.
The irony is palpable.
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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

Have you already received your standard issue Patch, Eye and Parrot, Shoulder?

Funny, I do have an African Grey Parrot named Captain Morgan. Those things live forever. 22 years old at the moment. Eye patch, yes, but needs pirate upgrade.
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State leaders speak out about plans to expand the Islamic Academy of Alabama

I acknowledge all of these points. It is a recognized fact that Christian persecution occurs in certain regions within the Islamic world. In some Muslim-majority countries, preaching the gospel is not only prohibited but can also pose serious risks to personal safety.

You're correct; such persecution wouldn't occur in the USA. However, comparing America—with its rule of law and religious freedom—to Syria is neither appropriate nor reasonable.

As I have mentioned before—and as this thread demonstrates—it is easier to establish a Christian school led by an American missionary in rural Bangladesh, such as Malumghat, than to open an Islamic school in Alabama.
We have freedom of religion, Tubberville is wrong and ultimately the Muslims will prevail.
You can't tell them that they can't build a larger school when it's a private school.
In Dearborn Michigan they have taken over the entire town and they have plans elsewhere to build a Muslim only community.
They really are not restricted that much in the US
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Morality without Absolute Morality

A hypothetical. If the bible is true and humans are in a fallen state and can only be redeemed by the tranforming blood of Christ into a new person in mind and spirit.

Then how can anyone who is not born again ever be able to truely not sin. If they do not live by the spirit but by the flesh then ultimately they will sin. They will be open to sin and corruption. Especially when in high places and positions of power and money as these are the gateways to sin without Christ as temptation is hard enough. Let alone subjecting oneself to a higher temptation.

Therefore it seems to me that if the bible is true then it stands to reason that now that secular society has completely detached itself from God that it will be inevitable that our leaders will sin and be corrupted in one way or another.

Now I know people will say, what about the church when in power and all its abuses. This is true. But I am talking about being born again and these abuses are of the flesh even though it is religion.

I am talking about as the early church was living by Christs teachings and the fellowship of the bread in Christ. Exampling Christ to the point of sacrificing themselves like Christ.

I say this as I think the sin and corruption has become so great in the world that some are returning back to the simple basics of the early church and setting an example that is above reproach.

Therefore if Christs church does rise up and can set this example of purity in being Christlike and faultless that no charges can be held against them. Do you think that this example would be enough to show that it is only through Christ that we can be set that example to the world.

Its not that people don't know right from wrong. Rather than it seems to me with all the corruption and abuse we are seeing with our leaders that we can only truely be morally good is by being reborn in Christ.
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Inspired texts outside the protestant canon

Lets keep the context of the conversation, claiming that there exists " inspired" texts outside the Tannak and New Testament.

This is the comment I am referring to:

"Actually at the time of Christ different groups of Jews recognized different lists of books as Holy Scripture. "

This is what Jesus Christ of Nazareth said about traditions of men:

Mark 7:8-9, 13 (NKJV):
“For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. ... making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Matthew 22:29 (NKJV):
> “Jesus answered and said to them, ‘You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.’

During His ministry, Christ Jesus challenged Jewish leaders who derived their authority from sources beyond the established written Tannak. The primary target of His condemnation was the Pharisaic Oral Tradition (the "tradition of the elders"), which they treated as divine law, yet He rebuked them for allowing these man-made rules to nullify the written Word of God (Mark 7:8, 13, NKJV). Separately, groups like the Essenes relied on circulating Apocryphal and Pseudepigraphical books for unique doctrines, while the Sadducees rejected everything but the Torah. By consistently citing and emphasizing the entirety of the written Scriptures and condemning the Sadducees for "not knowing the Scriptures" (Matthew 22:29, NKJV), Jesus fundamentally rejected the legitimacy of any new, non-prophetic authority, be it oral legalism or speculative literature, that attempted to supplant or add to the authority of God's established written revelation.
Jesus actually quoted 1 Enoch to the Sadducees, and told them they were ignorant of the scriptures (1 Enoch). Also the ystuff up a story in Tobit so Jesus was saying they were ignorant of that too.
Mark 7 explains what one of the traditions of the elders was- saying they devote their money to God therefore can't help their parents with it. Jesus said based on the law of Moses you should be KILLED for this. Traditions of the elders was not referring to 1 enoch or Jubilees or test of the 12 or any other inspired non pseudepigraphal books. There is no such thing as biblical pseudepigrapha as far as I know. There is no evidence of any anyway. The pharisees focused on the letter of the law and neglected the spirit of the law the 2 great commandments and mercy justice compassian. tithing spices was not in the written torah but Jesus had no problem with it as long as they followed the spirit of the law as stated.
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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

From 2004 to 2018 the US conducted hundreds of airstrikes against terrorist operations in Pakistan, without being at war with Pakistan.

In the same way the US is conducting airstrikes against Narco-terrorist operations coming out of or within Venezuela, without being at war with Venezuela.

...the U.S. is attacking a drug cartel whose aim is to maximize profits by trafficking an illegal substance. The last time I checked, no cartel had flown airplanes into sky scrapers or set bombs off in train stations.
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B flat B♭

Whether the symbol originated with the Nazis, Hindus, Jainists, Buddhists, or pre-Christian people in Europe, I fail to see its relevance on a Christian forum, or why you posted it.

GREATER WORLD MAP And MACROCLIMATE CHANGE (AEWAR, VIBES OF COSMOS
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revelation 1-12 happened 70 ad

I pasted what I wrote into chat gpt and it gave me this

Rev 12 commentary

1. THE WOMAN = ISRAEL Revelation 12:1 uses Genesis 37:9–10. Sun = Jacob. Moon = Rachel. Twelve stars = tribes of Israel. Thus the woman = covenant Israel, the Old Covenant people who produced the Messiah, the apostles, and the first Judean Christian remnant.

2. THE MALE CHILD = JESUS Revelation 12:5: Messiah destined to rule (Psalm 2). Family flees to Egypt to escape Herod. Maybe they were gone 3.5 years. Don't know what the Jesus caught up to heaven thing is.


3. THE HERODS = all the different HEADS & HORNS OF THE DRAGON/BEAST Herod the Great — tried to kill infant Jesus (Matthew 2:13–18) Herod Archelaus — avoided by Joseph due to violence (Matthew 2:22) Herod Antipas — killed John (Mark 6), mocked Jesus (Luke 23:7–11) Herod Philip — tetrarch Herod Agrippa I — killed James, imprisoned Peter (Acts 12) Herod Agrippa II — opposed Paul (Acts 25–26), backed Rome Herodian women — Bernice, Drusilla, Salome (Acts 24:24; Josephus) All persecuted Christ and His people. They were the dragon’s earthly instrument.

4. THE WAR IN HEAVEN WAS LITERAL Jesus Himself said: Luke 10:18 — “I saw Satan FALL like lightning from heaven.” John 12:31 — “NOW is the judgment of this world; NOW shall the prince of this world be CAST OUT.” Revelation 12:7–9: Michael defeats Satan; Satan expelled; Satan descends to attack Jerusalem and the Church. Daniel 12:1: “Michael shall stand up… there shall be a time of trouble.” This time = 66–70 AD

5. 1 ENOCH 70-GENERATION PROPHECY 1 Enoch 10: angels bound “for 70 generations, until the day of judgment.” Using Septuagint genealogies: Enoch → 70 generations → Jesus. Thus Jesus arrives precisely when the countdown ends. The war in heaven, Satan’s fall, and Jerusalem’s destruction complete Enoch’s prophecy

6. THE SECOND COMING WAS LITERAL AND VISIBLE IN 70 AD Revelation 1:7 — “Every eye shall SEE Him, even those who pierced Him.” “Those who pierced Him” = the Sanhedrin still alive. Jesus predicted this exact visible event: Matthew 24:30 — “They shall SEE the Son of Man coming in the clouds…” Matthew 16:27 — “The Son of Man will come… WITH HIS ANGELS.

Matthew 26:64 — “YOU will SEE the Son of Man at the right hand of Power, coming in the clouds.” Judeans literally saw Jesus above Jerusalem: — At the right hand of the Father — In the clouds — Surrounded by all the holy angels

7. JOSEPHUS CONFIRMS some SKY SIGNS Wars 6.5.3 (Whiston): “Before sunset, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running among the clouds and surrounding cities." Tacitus said the same, and the same kind of thing was seen when God was judging Jerusalem in 1/2 Maccabees in the 100s BC


8. THE MOURNING OF JUDEA Revelation 1:7 — “All tribes of the LAND will mourn.” Two types: • Terror — those dying in Jerusalem saw Jesus and mourned in horror. • Repentance — Christian Judeans fleeing to Pella saw Jesus and mourned for rejecting Him. Fulfills Zechariah 12:10 — “They shall look upon Me whom they pierced and mourn.”
9. THE WOMAN’S FLIGHT = PELLA Revelation 12:14–16: The Judean Christians are taken out of the promise land on Eagle’s wings), just like God took their ancient ancestors out of Egypt on eagles wings (Exodus 19:4. They had to cross the Jordan to get into the promise land now they are fleeing the old covenant promise land over the Jordan to Pella. The devil tries to flood the Jordan but God swallows the water. Flight to Pella - Wikipedia

10. THE WOES OF JESUS = THE WOES OF REVELATION Matthew 23 — Seven Woes upon Pharisees: “All these things shall come upon THIS generation.” Revelation 8–12 — Three Woes upon Jerusalem, “the city where their Lord was crucified” (Rev 11:8). Revelation’s woes = execution of Matthew 23.

11. REVELATION 9 — APOLLYON = TITUS OF LEGIO XV APOLLINARIS Revelation 9:11 — “Apollyon” = Apollo. Titus commanded Legion XV Apollinaris (Apollo’s legion). Locusts = armies (Joel 1–2). Roman siege machinery fits the imagery. Thus: locusts = Roman armies; king = Apollo → Titus.

12. REVELATION 11 — TRAMPLING OF THE TEMPLE Revelation 11:2 — Holy city trampled 42 months = 66–70 AD. Revelation 11:8 — “Where their Lord was crucified” = Jerusalem. Revelation 11:19 — Heavenly ark appears; earthly Temple replaced.

that is the main parts of Rev 1-12 I know. In the first few pages of Rev 1 Jesus said the time is near, soon, at hand, and he tells one church he is coming back in their generation. Rev 1-12 was just Gods judgement on Judea for killing Jesus, the apostles and for all the blood shed in history back to Abel.

Rev 13-22 is future still not until 4400-4500 AD based on 1 Enoch's 10,000 year prophecy
Jesus ben Ananias - Wikipedia sounds like one of the two witnesses but does not match. whoever they were they happened. gospel of nicodemus, history of joseph the carpenter, apocalypse of peter all internally written pre 70 ad, and i believe are inspired said it was going to be enoch and elijah

anyone know anything about Gematria?

Consider, the wisdom of God, with which all creation was made, included mathematics, which had always been in the wisdom of God. It was necessarily present in God's wisdom, as God is triune in being. If God was not triune but solitary in being, there would be nothing of mathematics from that, as there would be nothing but solitary unity, everything would be just a value of one, and no other numbers. Love God has requires more than one, and creation would not come with no number but one. God's creation is possible as it comes from love that God has, and has without limit.
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