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Netflix's promotion of LGBT themes, sexual preferences in kids' shows 'pervasive': report

If a group are 1.5% of the population and yet have 41% of air time on Netflix, it isn't a representation it's an agenda. God Bless.
First, it's more like 9%. LGBTQ+ Identification in U.S. Rises to 9.3%. Since most shows have at least 11 characters, you'd expect nearly 100% to have an LGBT character. There is usually more than 1 main character, so you'd expect something like 30% of shows to have an LGBT main character.

It depends upon generation. 1.5% would be for people born before 1945. For the youngest generation it's 23.1%. I suspect Netflix probably sees younger generations as important parts of their market. So 40% with an LGBT main character might be appropriate.

The article gives a chart. You'll see that the number has been growing rapidly, so you may have used old data.

Note that LGBT isn't just gay. From the same Gallup survey: "Overall, 85.7% say they are straight, 5.2% are bisexual, 2.0% are gay, 1.4% are lesbian and 1.3% are transgender. Just under 1% mention some other LGBTQ+ identity, such as pansexual, asexual or queer. Five percent of respondents decline to answer the question."
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Anti-Semitism on the rise around the world

Leftists, Muslims and Nazis all seem to be teaming up against Jews right now.

The attack at Bondi is symptomatic of this larger trend.

What can be done to address the haters and overthrow their agenda?
Stop pretending that the current state of Israel is the fulfillment of God's promise to the Jews.
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Stonginhim no need for a more detailed reply I have already ascertained that there has simply been a big misunderstanding on the whole matter and that Apple should never have been accused of what has been claimed.
She hasn't been accused of anything.
I just pointed out that it didn't make sense to quote AI's view of something, when that view actually contradicted what she believed.
That was it.

Next time I'll leave it - why should I care whether she contradicts herself or not?
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God help us!!! It's scary The Canadian C9 bill amendment that Attacks Freedom of Religious Expression passed in Canada's House of Commons.

God help us!!! It's scary The Canadian C9 bill amendment that Attacks Freedom of Religious Expression passed in Canada's House of Commons:
Please pray that by some miracle it does Not become law:


Lost tribes of Israel

What blood is that?

Israel, the lost tribes, are Modern Europeans. It includes Germanic tribes (Saxon, Franks, Goths, …) Celtic people (Breton, Gauls, Iberians,…) Romans (except the Italic people) and Ancient Greeks (except the Ionians).
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DHS confirms arrest of Afghan man in Texas after bomb threat video surfaces online

Bondi Beach shooting: One of the gunmen who shot and killed 11 people at a Jewish gathering at Bondi Beach in Sydney earlier today, has been identified as Naveed Akram. Police confirmed that Akram, 24, was shot during their operation

Akram, who is of Pakistani origin, had studied at Central Queensland University in Sydney, and was previously associated with Hamdard University in Islamabad and the Al Murad Institute,

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How Long have Humans Lived on Earth?

You've presented an interesting, diverse case against the Bible's historicity and authority - too much for anyone here to want to read actually. After glancing at 5 of the articles, I'll offer this response:

Your secular articles and sources are naturally going to oppose any Biblical world view of timelines.

The articles make a lot of date assumptions without actually supporting those assumptions with evidence.

Date evidence that is provided, such as DNA, is based upon debatable assumptions - unlike pottery dating.

Your statement that " Everything we know about the history of humans on earth contradicts the claim that the earth could be only 6,000 years old." is patently wrong. I've been reading books and articles and watching videos for 25 years that support a human history of 6-10,000 years. Perhaps everything YOU'VE read and learned negates a 6000 year old earth, but in no case does it represent everything WE KNOW. Everything I know suggests the exact opposite.

The truth is, each side can find abundant evidence to support their young versus old earth world view. Sources matter though, as does one's biased world view in interpreting the evidence.

Concerning your conclusion that "The Bible is a source of moral and spiritual truth, but it is not a history text." I understand that many people believe that, but know that Jesus, James, Peter, Paul, John and Jude didn't. Were they liars or wrong to reference the Genesis scriptures as real historical events? If so, then one would best dismiss whatever else they said or taught. In other words, if one rejects the historicity of Genesis, one rejects the credibility of Moses, Jesus, the apostles, the Bible, and the entire Christian faith.

Any serious Bible scholar knows through textual criticism that the Bible's inspired authors wrote what they beleived to be historical accounts or revealed knowledge from God. The fact that 40 authors in 3 continents, writing over a period of 1500 years, wrote thousands of specific names, places, and event details that we can now verify through archaeology, written records, fulfilled prophesies, and scientific insights demonstrates that the Bible's historical reliability and authority is as valid and true as its moral and spiritual truth.

Consider, either the whole Bible is to be trusted, or none of it is - as 2 Timothy 3:16 says:

"All scipture is God Breathed ..."

Sir Joseph: “ I understand that many people believe that, but know that Jesus, James, Peter, Paul, John and Jude didn't. Were they liars or wrong to reference the Genesis scriptures as real historical events?”

Jesus did not make the age of the earth an issue. Why are you making it an issue?

I don’t believe that Jesus ever said that the first chapters of Genesis are literal events. The same goes for the Apostles. You are reading your own view into the Gospels.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
John 1:1 NIV


The Book of John opens with “In the beginning …” the same as Genesis. Yet the first chapter of John does not mention Adam, Eve or the Garden of Eden.

As is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet:
“A voice of one calling in the desert, `Prepare the way for the
Lord, make straight paths for him.’
Luke 3:4 NIV


I once quoted this verse to a Biblical literalist and he put me on ignore because he thought I made it up. A phrase like “book of the words of Isaiah” sounds like newfangled revisionist nonsense to a strong literalist. I find that literalists know surprisingly little about what is really in the Bible.
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Hidden Error

I know we're never judged by God but "chastened" (Heb 12:6, 7), unless you can judge the Lord Jesus! I don't know why I didn't understand what you meant by "the lack of condemnation for those who are in Christ." Of course it means absence of judgement to believers.
I had a feeling we were on the same page.
I'm trying to let others know that believers are always forgiven, it's not like we go in and out of His forgiveness. He knows we want to please Him as much as possible, because He always "works" (causes) this in us (Phl 2:13). I thank God for His forgiveness all the time.
I do too. I learned a long time ago that when I fall on my knees at the feet of Jesus for His forgiveness, I should stay there.
Under the Law, Christ gave the Jews a model prayer that involved asking for forgiveness when they pray, because "It is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins" (Heb 10:4). They still had to offer up sin sacrifices because the sin was still present, since the blood of animals could not "take away sin"; but "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1John 1:9).

Forgiving all unrighteousness means permanent forgiveness, so we don't need to continue asking (unless we don't understand permanent forgiveness), but thanking Him. God can do this because the Lord Jesus' expiation for our sin permanently "took away" all our sin, past, present and future. Taking away "all unrighteousness" is the same as saying all our sin!
The concept of permanent forgiveness for all sins (past, present, and future) is hard for some people to grasp. I have wondered what is at work in their hearts and minds that causes the resistance. For some, it may be as simple as never resting all their hope in Christ (Heb 4:10). For others, it may be that they hear their flesh's desire to abuse their liberty (Ga 5:13) more than they hear the Spirit's command to stand fast in their liberty (Ga 5:1). Whatever it is that is holding them back, trusting God is their way out from under condemnation.
Though we ignorantly sin (Num 15:24-29), God does not see us as after the old man or sin nature, because "You are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit" (Rom 8:9). To be in the flesh (sin nature) means your sin is yet with you! The word "flesh" in the NT almost always refers to the sin nature of man's spirit:
  1. the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God. -Strong's G4561 - sarx. G4561 - sarx - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)
Romans 8:9 is certainly a key verse. We need to understand that we have new life in Christ Jesus, that we have been joined to Him and are one spirit with Him (1 Cor 6:17). Our lives are hidden with Christ in God (Col 3:3). If a person does not want to gratify the lusts of the flesh (and everyone with His Spirit in them wants this), then all they must do is harken to the Spirit's desires instead of the desires of the flesh (Ga 5:16-17).
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Lost tribes of Israel

Secular or not (though I doubt there was such a thing in the 1500s), it’s the same bloodline.

I.e. to have any title in the Empire you need to have ’the blood’.

Europe is the richest composition of the blood of Israel we know. England, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Belgium have a considerable proportion of Israelite blood in their ranks.
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Trump plan for peace in Ukraine leaked; calls for Ukraine to cede additional territory, cut military forces. US Ukraine envoy to leave role

Side with? I have tried to explain that Trump simply took the initiative in the negotiation process. Ultimately it will be Ukraine and Russia that will have to come to an agreement or not.
But Ukraine needs US help which Trump can reduce or eliminate . He is capable of anything.
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Tim Walz Vows to Bring More Somalis to Minnesota, Despite Growing Fraud Scandal Reaching Into the Billions

You cannot compare hundreds of years of immigration in this country to the insane open border policies of the previous resident.

I can and did. You need to offer counter evidence. Bald assertion will not cover it.
The evidence is very evident to anyone who cares to open their eyes to reality.
Get back to me when you can actually articulate what the evidence is rather then just claiming it exists and anyone who can't see it is blind.
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Pontiole underwater Paul, and Peter

In this text

Paul curses a Roman city because Nero killed a Christian there, and it sinks under water. The text is written third person historical narrative, and ends with Peter, and Paul being killed by Nero in the 60s AD. There is no internal claim to date of authorship or of authorship. The wiki page does not say why someone has dated it to around 500 AD Acts of Peter and Paul - Wikipedia. To me the text reads very early. Parts of that city are underwater today Login to view embedded media . It was the Las Vegas of ancient Rome meaning there was a lot of sin there. The woman in the video says it went underwater 400 AD (IIRC). I believe the text is historically accurate, and therefore the city went under in the 60s AD.


Pontiole = (modern-day Pozzuoli),


And Dioscorus the shipmaster, who brought him to Syracuse, sympathizing with Paul because he had delivered his son from death, having left his own ship in Syracuse, accompanied him to Pontiole. And some of Peter's disciples having been found there, and having received Paul, exhorted him to stay with them. And he stayed a week, in hiding, because of the command of Cæsar. And all the toparchs were watching to seize and kill him. But Dioscorus the shipmaster, being himself also bald, wearing his shipmaster's dress, and speaking boldly, on the first day went out into the city of Pontiole. Thinking therefore that he was Paul, they seized him, and beheaded him, and sent his head to Cæsar.

Cæsar therefore, having summoned the first men of the Jews, announced to them, saying: Rejoice with great joy, for Paul your enemy is dead. And he showed them the head. Having therefore made great rejoicing on that day, which was the fourteenth of the month of June, each of the Jews fully believed it.

And Paul, being in Pontiole, and having heard that Dioscorus had been beheaded, being grieved with great grief, gazing into the height of the heaven, said: O Lord Almighty in heaven, who hast appeared to me in every place whither I have gone on account of Your only-begotten Word, our Lord Jesus Christ, punish this city, and bring out all who have believed in God and followed His word. He said to them therefore: Follow me: And going forth from Pontiole with those who had believed in the word of God, they came to a place called Baias; and looking up with their eyes, they all see that city called Pontiole sunk into the sea-shore about one fathom; and there it is until this day, for a remembrance, under the sea.

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Trump administration says sign language services ‘intrude’ on Trump’s ability to control his image

The other poster had made this statement:
More importantly ASL is their native native language not English text.

...in response to me mentioning closed captioning.

So I'm getting some mixed responses here.
ASL is their native language, but it is based on English. Not sure how that is a mixed message and it changes nothing about what I stated. Not to mention people who went deaf later in life will understand the puns.
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Judge dismisses James Comey and Letitia James cases, finding prosecutor's appointment invalid

Donald's financial shenanigans were well known in New York and have been for decades.
Yes, the largest and most-criminal city in the Western Hemisphere --with the most loan-securing businesses in USA history... had never before, in 105yrs, experienced this type of crime until Trump was charged with it. :oldthumbsup:
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So you've written a long post - complete with pink oblongs - to explain why I am making a mountain out of a molehill?
As Apple Sky would say, :rolleyes:

I'll answer your post in detail if you like, but it would only be prolonging the, rather circular, discussion.
Well actually this should have all ended in my post 2869 once it was pointed out that this was a AI overview that Apple used to show her overall viewpoint of the connection between masonry and NASA. It in no way means that Apple agreed with the alleged moon landing even if mentioned in the Ai overview. And it should have been obvious to all that she wasn’t implying that she now believed that men walked on the moon simply because the AI post said . We are all aware of what Apple believes on the moon landings. You say so I’ve written a long post . I guess when you doubled down with your rather longish reply to me in your post 2871 of which you continued to accuse Apple. Even more so after l had clearly shown you that it was clearly a AI overview and not in complete agreement with Apples thoughts. Guess I had no choice but to send you a rather long letter back in reply back. . It be yu that continues to make a mountain out of a mole hill . Not me. IAs to my pink oblongs. I like pink : ) Stonginhim no need for a more detailed reply I have already ascertained that there has simply been a big misunderstanding on the whole matter and that Apple should never have been accused of what has been claimed.
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So why were you making such a big deal out of it ?
That post was directed to @Kathleen30 , not you.
Was it to get at me or score some more brownie points ?
i) why should I want to get at you?
ii) what are "brownie points", who's giving them to me and how do they benefit me in any way whatsoever?

@David Lamb asked you for your evidence that NASA are 33 degree masons, post 2,833.
You replied, "it depends who they are" and gave an AI overview of astronauts who were Freemasons, post #2,835. One of the statements in that AI overview said that Edgar Mitchell was the sixth man to walk on the moon.
I then pointed out that you had given details of an astronaut who walked on the moon and was a Freemason - but you don't believe that anyone walked on the moon, post 2,389.
For one thing, this is ridiculous in itself - as I said, if men haven't walked on the moon who cares what their beliefs are?
For another thing, you talked about exposing them for what they were, I said, "you mean, men who have walked on the moon?" and you replied - "of course."

You've written unclear and conflicting statements, yet when I tried to explain what you had done, it was my fault.

Next time I won't bother - I'll leave you to look ridiculous.
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