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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Where did Bradley say that they were radioing anyone?
This was said on the same news report that there was a legal rep to advise on the strikes.

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I haven't followed it closely the last two days. So I might have missed it, but this seems to say that the admiral wasn't saying that they radioed anyone (have even Cotton said that they did?). Did they even manage to right the boat? Was it seaworthy and functional? Which in itself isn't a reason to fire at them a second time. They have a right to try to survive the open sea.

It will be interesting to see if the JAG officer actually saw the film before saying it was legal. Now I would really like to see the film myself.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/04/politics/strike-lawmakers-briefing-radio-survivors
Its a bit like all these events where all these conspiracies and fake headlines come out making accusations and claims before anyone has seen the evidence.
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If anyone gives a proven, scientific fact, like the sun being 93,000,000 miles away, you laugh hysterically

Yes & I will carry on doing so, as this is not only one big lie it's also absurd, ridiculous & really one big joke & how anyone can believe such nonsense is beyond me.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Who jumped the gun? I asked for clarification.
I was speaking about all the accusations on this thread and in the media. How they have been accusing Hegseth of giving go ahead to kill all like some Nazis. All these crazy claims come out which as complete lies just to throw mud.
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Why Do Christians Resist the Idea of “Social Justice”? A Theological Question

We can see social justice at work in the Tower of Babel. Here, the leaders transformed stones (everybody unequal) into bricks (everybody equal.) Their path put civilization on a dangerous path where everyone could get wiped out in a war. Hence, God was forced to step in to save everyone. This is based on the oral Torah as told by Rabbi Daniel Lapin.

Bricks or Stones? - YouTube

Take a look at how God feels about brick or hewn stone (cut stone or brick):

Exodus 20:25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.

Isaiah 65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

Altars of brick are a no-no because the brick has symbolic value. People are stones, not bricks.

Social justice seeks to transform people from stones into bricks.
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Listen to and Follow Jesus

God through and in Jesus is dynamic enough to transform the hearts into submitting and doing what is pleasing and compatible to his will through the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a dynamic companion and helps to work the miracle of changing the hearts. soon or later a believer becomes transformed. its a promise. IT WORKS. and the arguments become less an less ..the heart of man transitions into wanting to please the Father, nothing we can do can overpower the power of God..this is what it means..Gods will is to save you..your GOING to be saved! He wills it! and so much of man is about doubting he can do it..and that, somehow, binds us, in our doubts. and for good reason..
We can not overcome the feverish drive of our compelling will to want ..want, want..Only God has the formula to change our heart. Its our believing and surrendering to him to DO it..letting HIM..trusting him..praying in a posture of surrender..turning off the mind and letting in some HOPE ..in that time when temptation grabs hold..the praying posture of the heart. light the candle in your heart..and get real close to it..enough to feel its flame, let that flame be all you focus on..let it be a representation that you are trying to get close to him..its just about all we can do..is hold on..look to him..draw close to him..and like a candle, you can feel its flame ..even if its small..take comfort in the idea its alive...and you can still see and feel it.

Yea man can screw around and mess things up..but God shows us in our ongoing relationship with him that he is in charge of whats right for what HE wants for us.. His grace is known as to how long its going to take for us to figure that out., one on one. I know others can and do sin..they are doing it to themselves and God is right in there face about it.
No one can escape. Sometime they look like they are getting away from God, Its sad to see ..
I know God is going to bring all to his glory in the end..and what better end is that to know yea?
SC, thanks for reading and for taking the time to respond and to share your thoughts on this subject.
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The Shepherd of The Sheep

“’Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep. To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.’ This figure of speech Jesus spoke to them, but they did not understand what those things were which He had been saying to them.” (John 10:1-6 NASB1995)

We learn in verses 7-9 that Jesus Christ is the door of the sheep and he is the way by which we must enter into salvation from sin and eternal life with God. No other way is the right way. And who are the sheep? They are all who believe in Jesus Christ to be Lord and Savior of their lives who listen to what he teaches and who obey his teachings (see John 10:27). We are those who have entered into the fold of the sheep (the church, the body of Christ) by way of the cross of Christ in death to sin and walks of obedience to God.

But there are others who have entered into the gatherings of the sheep by another way other than through Jesus Christ and his gospel message. For there are many false shepherds of the people out there who are “thieves and robbers” who are leading people to believe in a false gospel message which is infected with half-truths (lies) and distortions of truth created in the minds of humans who reject Jesus’ gospel message because they don’t want to have to die to their sins and to submit to God in obedience to his commands.

So “the gospel” message these “thieves and robbers” are bringing to the people are filled with bugs, i.e. with errors, many of which are willfully being planted within the gospel message to purposefully lead people away from Christ to a false gospel message of salvation from sin and eternal life with God. And many of them have deliberately skirted (bypassed) the parts of the gospel that teach death to sin and obedience to God, and they have diluted the gospel to a mere verbal profession of faith in Jesus, no change of heart.

Now, Jesus Christ is the shepherd of the sheep (verses 11-18), as well as he is the door into the fold of the sheep (the church, the body of Christ). And it is God the Father, I believe, who is the doorkeeper. For he is the one who sent Jesus Christ (God the Son) to the earth to be born as a baby and to one day die on a cross in order to put our sins to death with him so that, by God-gifted faith in him, and empowered by God, we can now die to sin and live to God and to his righteousness in walks of obedience to his commands.

And all those who become Jesus’ sheep by dying with him to sin and being raised with him to walk with him in obedience to his commands, by faith in him, they listen to Jesus’ words. They heed his words, and they follow him in surrender to his will in walks of obedience to his commands. And they follow Jesus because they know his voice. But they do not follow the strangers who are lying to the people, because they do not recognize their voices. For God has given them the discernment of the Spirit to know truth from lies.

For if we are truly following our Lord in obedience to his commands, and sin is no longer our practice, but righteousness is our practice, by the grace of God, and because we are now listening to the Lord, and we are heeding his words, then as we grow in our walks of faith in obedience to the Lord we should be able to recognize more and more the lies of the enemy which are opposed to the truth of the gospel which Jesus and his New Testament apostles taught (in the correct biblical context, and not out of context).

And we should be those who are rejecting the lies of the enemy and their messengers, who are discerning truth from lies and those who speak truth vs those who speak lies. For the Holy Spirit is living within us speaking truth to our hearts and minds, and he is revealing to us the lies vs the truth so that we will now follow the truth and reject the lies. And if we are Jesus’ true sheep, we will not resist the Holy Spirit’s voice and end up following the lies, but we will desire to live for our Lord in doing what pleases him.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

When I Am Afraid

Based off Psalms 56-57
An Original Work / October 17, 2016
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


When I am afraid, Lord, I will trust in You.
Your Word, Lord, I praise. I yield my life to You.
Enemies pursue me, slandering Your Name.
Lord, have mercy. I trust in You. Hear my cry today.

Lord, I love Your Word. It comforts me today,
As I look to you, and bow my head and pray.
You are Christ, my Lord. You saved me from my sin,
That I may walk, Lord before You, purified within.

Steadfast is my heart, O God, I sing of You.
I will praise You, Lord. To You, I will be true.
Oh, how great Your love. Your faithfulness endue.
Be exalted, God of heaven. Glory be to You.

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The Shepherd of The Sheep
An Original Work / December 6, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

State leaders speak out about plans to expand the Islamic Academy of Alabama

We HAVE to have an HONEST conversation. Just shouting "bigotry" doesn't work anymore. Islamism is the biggest and most deadly threat in the world today.

Those that believe in Islam are causing great harm in the western world because its holds the very thing that people are concerned about. The mesh of religion and government. People are concerned so much over Christian Nationalism that they are missing the real threat to western democracies, Islam and the importation of those from nations that govern and live in that world.

They come and have no intention of assimilating. Instead they come and re-create that which they left. Separate communities, separate laws and separate schools. All under the religion of Islam.

Europe has started to take notice of all the problems, but it's almost too late. There are already places in the US where it is too late.

Let's hope we can put a stop to it in America before we find ourselves like places in Europe, trying to recover. We see places like Minnesota and Dearborn and see what is coming if we don't stop it.
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It means;

outlook

view

viewpoint

point of view

standpoint

position
:doh: :rolleyes:
So I guess when you use the word "perspective", you are not meaning it's effect on the apparent size of objects as they get further away, you are using it in reference to your 'point of view' or your 'beliefs'. So it's not about evidence and observation, it's about what you 'feel' is the truth.
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Yes & why wouldn't I ?
Well it's in line with all your other FE claims that you have made with no evidence; so, no reason at all, I suppose

You expect us to accept the teachings of Odle and any other Flat Earther who is a born again Christian.
Yet Charles Duke - who is also a born again Christian, who gives talks about his time on the moon and then tells folk about Jesus - is a liar.
You have, a couple of times, said things like, "this is true; I don't care how much evidence you show me."
If anyone gives a proven, scientific fact, like the sun being 93,000,000 miles away, you laugh hysterically and then said that "they" are liars.
You "can't get your head around science", yet you doubt and belittle those who study it.
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AI tells me not to forgive some, is this true?

I do take advice from AI, but I learned to not treat AI like it is perfect in its answers.

I asked AI about forgiveness, it said it's a good thing, but not good to forgive those who are not remorseful, and who are still malicious.

I would find it hard to forgive those people, and very hard to forgive someone who took pleasure in hurting me.

What does the Bible say, am I supposed to really forgive a murderer that killed my mom and dad if it happened? It did not happen just as an example, what if the murderer doesn't take any accountability has no remorse, and the murderer took pleasure in his crimes. Am I still supposed to forgive?

It was not a pretend example when Christ was on the cross, and Christ prayed for forgiveness for those murdering Him while they were still yet killing Him and He was in agony. I think this should be clear enough of a statement to set the example we should follow. The disciples also went on to die for Christ and Paul was forgiven by Christ being responsible for the murder of Christians in the early Church, those who Christ loves and died for Himself.

Luke 23:34
Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.” And they divided His garments and cast lots.

In addition, God the Father forgives us when we are the reason for Christ's death on the cross. There are people in my family who had their children murdered and it is obviously painful, but they forgave the murderers. It is done by God everyday, and people in my family, and many other cases as well.

Short answer, yes... we forgive. Taking up our cross doesn't mean holding on to our rights to not forgive, and neither does following Christ. Following Christ is to always forgive, to be walking forgiveness, even to murderers like Christ forgave Paul and those who murdered Him.

More importantly, I would be very, and I do mean VERY cautious engaging with that platform.
I would advise against using it at all, and especially for any decision making, if I'm extremely blunt about it.
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It means;

outlook

view

viewpoint

point of view

standpoint

position
Yes it can mean those things. For example, I can say, "My perspective on infant baptism is that it is unbiblical." But when perspective refers to physical things like stars, ships, the sun, trains, etc., perspective refers to the way that as they go further away from us, they appear to be smaller and smaller. That is not what happens when the sun sets. Just before the sun begins to set, it looks just as big as it did at noon. Then it gradually disappears below the horizon, so that halfway through the sunset, only half of the sun is visible. Large ships do appear to get smaller the further they travel from us, but when they reach the horizon, the bottom of the ship disappears first, then the middle, then the top. That is not perspective.
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Problems with Dan 9 decrees, and dates

Ezra 7 8 Ezra arrived in Jerusalem in the fifth month of the seventh year of the king

Nehemiah 2 2 In the month of Nisan in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, when wine was brought for him, I took the wine and gave it to the king.


The month of Nisan corresponds to March/April. Which is when passover was which is when Jesus was crucified so the Nehemiah 2 decree is the only possible decree it can be, and not the Ezra 7 one.

⭐ 1. BEFORE the Babylonian exile (Torah era)

The Bible never uses the word Nisan.
Instead, it only calls the first month:

“Abib” (אָבִיב)​

Meaning: “green ears (of barley)” — a description of the harvest stage, not a calendar name.
Verses using Abib:
  • Exodus 13:4 — “On this day in the month of Abib you are going out.”
  • Exodus 23:15 — “...in the month of Abib.”
  • Exodus 34:18 — “You shall keep the Feast… in the month of Abib.”
  • Deuteronomy 16:1 — “Observe the month of Abib…”

So originally:

⭐ The first month = Abib (harvest month)​


❌ NOT “Nisan”​




⭐ 2. AFTER the Babylonian exile (Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther)


Only in the post-exilic period does the name Nisan appear.


This is because the Jews adopted Babylonian month names during the exile (6th century BC).


First appearance:​


Nehemiah 2:1


“In the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes…”

Also appears in:


Esther 3:7


“In the first month, which is the month of Nisan…”

Thus:


⭐ “Nisan” = a Babylonian loanword​


⭐ Adopted by Jews after exile​


⭐ Used in Second Temple Hebrew, not Torah-era Hebrew​




⭐ 3. What time of year is Nisan?​


Nisan corresponds to March–April.


This is because:


  • Nisan 14–15 = Passover
  • Passover is tied to the spring barley harvest, meaning the spring equinox season

Modern correlation:
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Date of authorship of Revelation

I know you are talking to me, but you're not quoting me to make that clear. Why is that?

It seems that you just believe what you want to believe regardless of what the evidence shows. The evidence indicates that the church in Ephesus was established around 51 AD, not shortly after people from Ephesus returned home from Pentecost. Scholars estimate that when Paul visited Ephesus, as recorded in Acts 19, it was around 50 AD. They had no established church before that.


From what I read about how things were in the 1st century in the Roman province of Asia, the persecution that occurred there was specifically linked to the issues described in Revelation (emperor worship, economic pressure, martyrdom) and that is largely attributed to the period around Domitian's rule.


Read all of 2 Corinthians 12 and you could see he spoke a lot about himself not wanting to boast. Why would he talk about himself like that if he was not talking about himself in verses 2 to 4? He didn't want to explicitly say that he was talking about himself because he didn't want to come across as boasting. He indicated in verse 5 that if he was talking about someone else, he would boast about that person. But, the fact that he talked about his own desire not to boast was him clearly implying that he was talking about himself without wanting to say it explicitly.


You're ignoring everything else that is said in the passage where he clearly is referring to himself. Why would he talk about himself not wanting to boast so much in the passage if he wasn't talking about himself? What he was saying in verse 5 is that if it was someone else he would boast about that person, but he would not boast about himself. That's why he did not want to reveal that he was talking about himself in verses 2 to 4. He didn't want to come across as boasting. But, he strongly hinted that he was talking about himself throughout the passage, as I showed. You didn't address anything I said about the context of the passage in 2 Corinthians 12.
Provide whatever proof you have that the church of Ephesus could not of got started shortly after Pentecost.

5 I will boast about a man like that, but I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses.
I think he is being honest in that above verse but you think he is lying pretending it was someone else he knew that had that heavenly experience when really it was him. I don't have to invoke lying authors to support my belief. Yes I believe Paul is referring to the author of Revelation.

Revelation 21:2-4
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.​



John is seeing all kinds of supernatural spiritual things in Revelation. There is no conflict with believing Paul is talking about the author of Revelation.
2 Corinthians 11 30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.
So Paul boasts about his weaknesses being a "fool", and his thorn in the flesh whatever it was. Having a heavenly experience is not a weakness. Paul is talking about the author of Revelation, and not himself in 2 Cor 12.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

I must have missed when legal experts on the September 2nd strike said that the second attack was ok. I tried searching for it, but found mostly articles that said it was illegal. Do you have a link?

Edited to add. I found a CNN clip.
There you go then. All this jumping the gun stuff is typical of those who hate Trump and his admin. Lets just let all the facts come out.

What I find telling is that Trump haters are quite willing to crucify him and his admin at the drop of a hat making all sorts of crazy claims. Its their MO and its happened time and time again. They did it to Kirk and others. Attacked Musk and his business just because he was associated with Trump. Then they did it to Hegseth.

I don;t trust one word the legacy media and Trump haters say.
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There is no curvature, the earth is not a sphere,
The earth's a circle but it's not a sphere.
Right.
the stars are different b/c it depends whether your in the north or the south & it's all due to perspective just as the sun is, in it's rising & setting.
That's not explaining anything - that's just repeating your claims.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

That wasn't meant as a compliment.
Yes it was. It waas the US mainly along with the allies that stopped the Nazis and established order in the world to some degree. At least as far as the evil regimes that were trying to take over the world.

Australia very much depends on US alliance as we are not in a position to defend outselves from such evil doers.
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AI tells me not to forgive some, is this true?

I do take advice from AI, but I learned to not treat AI like it is perfect in its answers.

I asked AI about forgiveness, it said it's a good thing, but not good to forgive those who are not remorseful, and who are still malicious.

I would find it hard to forgive those people, and very hard to forgive someone who took pleasure in hurting me.

What does the Bible say, am I supposed to really forgive a murderer that killed my mom and dad if it happened? It did not happen just as an example, what if the murderer doesn't take any accountability has no remorse, and the murderer took pleasure in his crimes. Am I still supposed to forgive?
It's better to use examples/cases that you can relate to personally - are you struggling with forgiveness for something yourself?
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