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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History
- By stevevw
- Physical & Life Sciences
- 1092 Replies
If ancients and Indigenous peoples claim their knowledge is being lost. Then what sort of knowledge is being lost. This testimony is speaking about their own cultural history of knowledge being lost. So something was lost. They say its great knowledge about the world that material science cannot know. In fact they say material western sciences have destroyed this knowledge.
So unless you think this knowledge is nothing, is superstition and make belief and is really nothing relevant or real to understanding the world we already have evidence in testimony.
It may also be that like knowledge was lost in the past todays indigneous peoples are mostly devoid of that knowledge with the modern world creeping in. Or just existing within a modern world that is harder to maintain knowledge.
Any examples left in the world may have already lost most of that knowledge or its practiced in small examples. Or that because the world around them is not longer like their own world they are gradually reduced to small groups who will lose their knowledge as time goes by as they are now living within a world that is different and dominating.
I know of some Aboriginals who still practice some of their ancient knowledge and are regarded as more advanced ways than science as far as nature and the environment is concerned.
Ancient knowledge is lost when a species disappears. It’s time to let Indigenous people care for their country, their way
Ancient knowledge is lost when a species disappears. It’s time to let Indigenous people care for their country, their way
Rather than sitting in the back seat, Indigenous Australians must be up front in managing the recovery of Australia’s unique and precious environment.
theconversation.com
What We Lose When We Lose Indigenous Knowledge
By mistaking a culture’s history for fantasy, or by disrespecting the wealth of Indigenous knowledge, we’re keeping up a Columbian, colonial tradition.
What We Lose When We Lose Indigenous Knowledge - JSTOR Daily
By mistaking a culture’s history for fantasy, or by disrespecting the wealth of Indigenous knowledge, we’re keeping up a Columbian, colonial tradition.
daily.jstor.org
Evidence of traditional knowledge loss among a contemporary indigenous society
Evidence of traditional knowledge loss among a contemporary indigenous society - PMC
As biological and linguistic diversity, the world’s cultural diversity is on decline. However, to date there are no estimates of the rate at which the specific cultural traits of a group disappear, mainly because we lack empirical data to assess how ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History
- By stevevw
- Physical & Life Sciences
- 1092 Replies
Yes and it showed that the dolerite pounders could not have been what created the scoop marks to get the obelisk out of the bedrock. So this defeats the claims that pounding is the cause of those scoop marks.
The article does refer to the scoop marks as like a cheese scooper.
Engelbach's experiment consisted of directly quarrying in one of the characteristic line segments in the trench around the Unfinished Obelisk, which he compared to a series of parallel and equidistant vertical cuts, as if it had been made by a gigantic cheese-scoop.
So he is agreeing at least in principle through scientific observation that the signatuires look like scoop marks rather than pounding. So thats the first step. Like other signatures look like modern machining or at least beyond what the traditional methods claimed. Thats the first step and some don't even admit this that at least they look different to the traditional or look more like machining.
I have given you evidence that stone can be softened or weakened and signatures in the works that support this such as what looks like melted stone and softened stone or stone that has been altered in its chemical and structural makeup.
See this is the whole point of looking at the works and then determining what caused them. The skeptics or those who insist on the traditional methods will do exactly the same. They will look at the signatures and determine a certain method.
If this is the case that we look at the signatures then we need to look at them all honestly. Admit when they don't conform and admit what they actually look like. Instead of blindly insisting one method.
Most say this is from heat, tremendous heat also causes vitrification. So I could say you have not studied how vitrification has occured. Even so a chemical change in the stone is still outside the traditional methods of shaping stones.
So what is the difference. I don't care if its chemical, heat, sonic pulses, or something that changed the constitution of the material. Its all advanced knowledge for back then.
Ok first all this is relatively new research. Especially that its happening as a result of modern tech that has really only come in the last decade or so. We have seen the new discoveries with Lidar. We hear of the discoveries under pyramids or ground penetrating radar.
If you want to look generally at how modern tech is discovering possible advanced knowledge and tech in Egypt which is probably the peak of knowledge then theres plenty. But for some specific aspects like the obelisk there is little at present but more in the pipeline coming.
So the first step once again is naked eye observations. What do the scoop marks look like. What would cause them. We already know now that it was not doleraite pounders. At least for major scoops on walls and underneath. They look uniform as though a scaper made them with a uniform scooping of scaping mark. Not the random and pulverising signature of pounding.
Step two is working out what actually caused them . This is ongoing. But the fact that these were not pounders and look like scoops from a uniform tool is telling. Telling about it not being ground down gradually but done in one sweep as though either the tool could cut easily into the hardest stones and take scoops out. Or that the material itself was weakened or softened.
Here is what looks like one of the pounders actually embedded into granite. I have shown you other signatures of sftened or weakened stone. How could this happen unless somehow the stone was not changed.
There are actually plenty os signs of stone softening in Egypt. The rocks in the first image are weird and look like they have been metamosphically changed in their structure. Certainly different to other stones and not the result of a natural process.
In the second pic it looks like some soft stone like substance has been squeezed into the gaps on the pavers outside the Great pyramid.
These examples come from the Valley Temple of Khafre. Notice how the pink granite stone melds into the other stone. Similar to the Sacsayhuaman fortress stones that seem to settle into the stones as though softened and making super tight joins. The second image is not a crack. This is a join between two walls at 90 degrees. The line looks as though the soft stone settled and followed the contour of the wall it was pressing against.
Also notice the texture of the granite which is similar to the strange texture of other softened rocks in Peru.
The tomb of Qar and eastern cemetry Giza and what appears like melted stone. Notice it looks very similar to the softened or melted stones in Peru at Sacsayhuaman and other places. Once again these weird changed stones in composition and texture.
In the second image we can see how the facia of the granite blocks left imprints on the basalt blocks as though they were softened. This is very similar to the imprints left on top faces of the stone block walls at Sacsayhuaman Fortress. You can see how the basalt blocks have fallen on the ground.
There are plenty more.
Yes and what about the article says this is false or not a possibility. It seems other archeologists recognised this. But today its all classed as superstition.
This is a misrepresentation of the articles credibility. This was commissioned by the Ministry of Culture of Peru. They used geophysicists and the original work had nothing to do with finding advanced tech. It was about sustainability of the ancient works in preserving them as they were sinking and deteriorating.
The findings about the chemical analysis of the stones and possible methods of construction were a by product of the chemistry and scanning analysis of the original project. So its just pure data and nothing conspiracy. Its not some self publisied group on social media but an official scientific project and report.
But more important your not even engaging in the actual contenmt as to whether it is valid. Your just tarring everything as an ad hominum.
Wow now your jumping. I don't think research has got that far. Though there is some research on possible energy sources or the metallurgy and radioactivity in some vases and works.
But this is a big filed and lots of data is needed. I don't think apart from say Dr Max or a couple of official programs have actually been done. You can't just walk in and do tests without permissions which is hard in itself.
From what I can find thats more mainstream and official I can only find a couple of articles.
Investigating the potential of using human movements in energy harvesting by installing piezoelectric tiles in Egyptian public facilities
Neutron diffraction reveals secrets of new piezoelectric material
Piezoelectric Phenomena in the King’s Chamber
Piezoelectric Phenomena in the King’s Chamber: A New Hypothesis for th
Strengthening the Pyramid Connection: Scientific Backing for Piezoelectric Properties and Energetic Phenomena The ancient pyramid of Giza is a marvel that was built using materials that have some physical properties that could explain the shroud of Turin. Firstly, the pink granite in the King’s...
dawnofegypt.co
Electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid: First multipole resonances and energy concentration
Electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid: First multipole resonances and energy concentration
Resonant response of the Great Pyramid interacting with external electromagnetic waves of the radio frequency range (the wavelength range is 200-600 m) is theoretically investigated. With the help of numerical simulations and multipole decomposition, it is found that spectra of the extinction...
ui.adsabs.harvard.edu
First-of-its-kind discovery in Egypt’s pyramids: There’s a strange form of energy
First-of-its-kind discovery in Egypt's pyramids: There's a strange form of energy
Scientists discovered the Great Pyramid of Giza focuses on electromagnetic energy, sparking new insights into ancient engineering and modern tech applications.
www.ecoticias.com
Firs do you think or believe that there is such a knowledge. An alternative way to know nature and the world through a more transcedent aspect than material and objective science methods.
Though much has been lost I liken this knowledge along the lines of religious beliefs. Rspecially Christianity which is most relevant to western sciences.
Firs on a fundemental basis science cannot refute God or belief in God or gods or spirituality or anything transcedent. So this in itself tells us science is not capable in the first place. All this will do is describe or explain in material terms whats happening.
So already epistemically we see a gap and that science cannot deal with. That in itself opens the door to alternative ways of knowing.
Second these alternative ways of knowing seemed to be the predominate way of knowing for all our history up until recently. This tells us that it has some basis. THird its still a relavant line of inquiry and in fact science itself is suggesting such alternative knowledge in quantum physics and other sciences like biology.
So the evidence has been and is already there. Its just rejected by skeptics using science as a sledge hammer to beat it.
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