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Relative of Trump Press Secretary taken by ICE
- By MarkSB
- American Politics
- 71 Replies
Trump's 2020 CARES Act (Stimulus Package): $2.2 Trillion
Trump's 2020 Second COVID Stimulus Package: $900 Billion
Biden's 2021 American Rescue Plan Act: $1.9 Trillion
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Trump Total: $3.1 Trillion
Biden Total: $1.9 Trillion
Estimates from MIT and the FRED say that government stimulus accounted from somewhere in the range of 30-40% of the inflation which was experienced after the pandemic.
While I agree with you that the Biden administration should have stopped the stimulus (or, at the very least, been more targeted with it), I don't think either party can claim complete innocence here. I guess you could say that since Trump had already done stimulus Biden shouldn't have piggybacked on that. I think that would be a valid point, but I still don't think you can lay the inflation which happened entirely at the feet of the Democrats.
Also - can you explain how Trump "curbed" inflation? Inflation rates had already fallen before he took office - as shown by the graph below, which ends at CY2024. If anything, we very likely have Trump's tariffs to thank for inflation remaining sticky throughout 2025.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History
- By stevevw
- Physical & Life Sciences
- 1481 Replies
Yes it is mystical. Just like how Gods spirit works. Paul calls it a mystery. But its real. The reason we humans have been preoccupied with this for all our existence and it will never fade. Is that its real. Its a real part of being human and there is some truth to this mysterious realm existing in one form or another.
All the expressions of religion, transcedent ideas, Information, Mind or Consciousness as fundemental are attempts to explain this. But its as real as the experience of a red apple on the table.
The *PHYSICAL* process are just descriptions of what is happening. Nothing in that process tells us the nature of how that was caused. As some science tells us 'the *PHYSICAL* is just a reflection of something deeper such as Mind or Information. Like a Hologram or computer screen pixel.
So even what you call *PHYSICAL* may be an illusion and part of the mystery.
The point is if say there was some deeper mind state that the acoustics of the pyramid brought that gave knowledge. Or created some effect that could be used. Though you can measure the effects. How do you tell how it was caused.
If the ancients knowledge allowed them to understand how to soften or weaken stone. We can measure the softened stone. But how do you tell where the knowledge came from. Especially if it shows advanced tech that should not have been available according to the slow evolution of knowledge from simple to advanced.
So if someone claimed a miracle we could measure the physical effects and results of the healing. But how can you tell that this was not supernatural. Science only describes what is or has happened. It does not tells us the nature of how those things happened.
As some say we may be living in a simulation and programed to believe and think these things are really happening. You don't know and its an assumption to say that this is all *PHYSICAL* ontologically.
Actually its also mainstream science.
Physicists Are Starting to Suspect Physical Reality Is an Illusion
They think the physical universe might be a sort of mass hallucination derived from pure information.
Physicists are starting to suspect physical reality is an illusion
"To some physicists, this indicates that what we call 'matter,' with its solidity and concreteness — is an illusion."
futurism.com
Reality Is in the Eye of the Beholder
Our perception of reality is a subjective lived experience, a virtual construct shaped by our senses, biology, and personal history.
Reality Is in the Eye of the Beholder
Our perception of reality is a subjective lived experience, a virtual construct shaped by our senses, biology, and personal history.
thereader.mitpress.mit.edu
Now you claim to be able to do my thinking lol.
Only a smidge, gee thanks. Is this an either/or fallacy.
Except if we accept this then the out of place advanced tech is an anomely that breaches the gradual and reductive slow process of simple to complex.
Its also a false equivelance that because few traces have been left that this negates advanced knowledge. Like I said it could be all in the mind and all we see is the physical evidence of softened or changed materials and their signatures.
The same logic would also wipe out the orthodox narrative as we have little traces of the tools claimed.
This is definitely an either/or fallacy. What a strange category to put the options into of all possible alternatives. Almost as though its one of your possibilities rather than one that applies globally.
There are many options for the fundemental idea of Mind or Consciousness and experiential phenomena as bringing a deeper knowledge of nature and reality. Probably as many as there are cultural beliefs in transcendent realities. .
No I agree with the experts. I am not doubting the science. I am saying that it only tells us so much and is not the complete picture. Like Marys direct experience of the color red.
I agree the science tells us everything about the physical processes that come along with the experience of red or any direct experience. We can scientifically measure all the nuerons and snapes firing around the optical nerves to the brain. We can know the color light spectrum.
But none of that tells us about direct experiences of nature and reality. This is just a physical description of the vessel recieving the physical effects. Like the monitoring of the electrical activity. But it does not tell us anything about the phenomenal experiences that come along with this. That cannot be measured in those physical terms.
So we have an entire realm of direct experiential phenomena that gives us knowledge and I would say more direct knowledge of nature and reality that science or the physical world cannot tell us about.
That in itself without even knowing what that knowledge is exactly tells us that science is incomplete and cannot make ontological claims about nature and reality.
At best its a commentary, a description of something happening with a specific realm of reality. But not complete reality. So logically there is a big chunk of knowledge out there that is not accounted for and it could be within this realm that the ancients gained a deeper knowledge of reality.
If todays science is even suggesting that tru knowledge is at this level and that the physical is just the superficial level knowledge. Then it makes sense that if the ancients were immersed in this deeper more fundemental level. They would have unlocked keys to how nature works. Because they are not just seeing at the surface level but whats underneath that creates that surface level physical interface.
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