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Bradskii · 2025-12-09T21:12:40-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
The one potential flaw I see... Their HQ needs to be in London...

Kind of a potential flaw there as well...

Richard T · 2025-12-09T21:08:53-0600

I took a concealed carry course in Florida. They were quire clear, if your not in a life threatening situation you legally should not fire a gun.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-09T21:08:10-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
The reason why they're not getting it is because that subset of Christians never had the numbers, and were outnumbered by the much larger subset of Christians who didn't want that.

Early Utah would be an example of what happens when a insular religious community has the majority, and most are agreement on wanting consolidation. They had several laws that blatantly favored LDS traditions, courts were packed with LDS bishops, they had polygamy getting practiced (and when the feds stepped in and said "nope", they just went with a policy of non-enforcement for as long as they could)

So it was. But I never was afraid of Mormons taking over the whole country and forcing me to make polygamous marriages. Do you think Muslims will be able to?

ThatRobGuy said:
However, if there's a major population shift, and the group that has a 67% propensity for wanting that power consolidation starts considerably outnumbering the group that only has a 15% propensity for wanting that type of consolidation, things will change.

The stat you posted lines up with the global number as well in terms of preferences for that sort of thing.

30% of the 45% (~15%) of Christians in the US want that sort of thing
Globally, of the ~120 Christian majority countries, 31 have an official state religion (that number gets smaller when factoring whether or not it's reflected in law or gets special benefits)
Whereas, 34 of the 53 Muslim majority countries ended up with it.

It only takes a few decades for a voter composition to radically change when birth rates are disparate, and you stack immigration on top of that.

Now, this isn't even factoring in immigration, just forecasted growth based on available statistics just to show how quickly things can shift

AI disclaimer, I did outsource this to Anthropic's paid version of Claude using the premium tier Sonnet model (which is very accurate -- sources can be provided if you'd like as it cites them)

To the question of:
If you have a city that's currently comprised of
20,000 Christians
8,000 Muslims
3,000 Hindus

Given the current birth rates of these demographic groups in the US.
What would the population breakdown be in 40 years?

Total Fertility Rates (TFR) for US Religious Groups:

Christians: ~1.5-1.6 children per woman

Muslims: ~2.5 children per woman (average of US-born at 2.2 and foreign-born at 2.6)

Hindus: ~2.3 children per woman

The Math: Exponential Growth Model
For demographic projections, we use the formula:

P(t) = P₀ × e^(rt)

Where:

P(t) = population at time t

P₀ = initial population

r = growth rate

t = time in years

e = Euler's number (≈2.718)

To calculate the growth rate from TFR, we need to convert fertility rates to annual growth rates. A simplified approach assumes:

r ≈ (TFR - 2.1) / 30

Growth rates:

Christians: r ≈ (1.55 - 2.1) / 30 = -0.0183 per year

Muslims: r ≈ (2.5 - 2.1) / 30 = 0.0133 per year

Hindus: r ≈ (2.3 - 2.1) / 30 = 0.0067 per year

After 40 years:

Christians: 20,000 × e^(-0.0183 × 40) ≈ 20,000 × 0.478 ≈ 9,560

Muslims: 8,000 × e^(0.0133 × 40) ≈ 8,000 × 1.69 ≈ 13,520

Hindus: 3,000 × e^(0.0067 × 40) ≈ 3,000 × 1.30 ≈ 3,900

Total population: ~26,980 (down from 31,000)

Percentages:

Christians: 35.4% (down from 64.5%)

Muslims: 50.1% (up from 25.8%)

Hindus: 14.5% (up from 9.7%)

It happened much faster in those towns in Michigan, because as noted, when you layer immigration on top of it, that accelerates the shift.

No, but it's unequal treatment under the law. The sharia topic is a separate subject.

If I rolled around the neighborhood in a car with those loud subwoofers, blasting music at 6am, I'd get a ticket.

Is that what they're doing? LOL!

ThatRobGuy said:
However, they're allowed out blast loud stuff out of speakers at 6am. That would be a religious privilege would it not?

Bradskii · 2025-12-09T21:06:31-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Do you think soldiers storm the battlefield with handcuffs to arrest the enemy and bring them to trial?

According to you they'll be arrested and placed into those handcuffs if they cross that invisible line into US waters. Safe at last! Nice cosy cell. Maybe bail. Chance to get home and try again. Or worse case...a few years locked up. What about all the people you say they are killing?

Where's your retribution then? It dissapears when they move a hundred metres or so? Those guys hanging on to whatever was left of their boat have drifted into US waters while the Admiral took an hour for lunch. So why don't you demand that they are still summarily killed? They're even closer to delivering all those drugs. Why the bleeding-heart concern for their rights all of a sudden? Why the sudden demand for due processd? Some people were never so keen on it before. Y'all getting soft on terrorists now?

Someone get these poor shipwrecked guys some warm, dry clothes. Give them a decent feed and a warm bed. Get a lawyer for them. Make sure they are read their rights and get a phone call. Ahora están a salvo, muchachos.

durangodawood · 2025-12-09T21:06:14-0600

Servus said:
This isn't that kind of war which goes on for years. It's a swift putting an end to a problem.

A war on organized drug crime will be over just like that?

Thats some born-yesterday stuff right there.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-09T21:03:36-0600

Yarddog said:
The first strike was on Sept. 2. That is over 90 days. He is outside his timeframe.

I will take it that you admit that the president can use military force without congressional approval?

Richard T · 2025-12-09T21:00:36-0600

Michie said:
The Rev. Franklin Graham was recently unable to attend a Christian revival event in India due to a visa issue, with some alleging foul play.

Reports circulated last week stating that the 73-year-old Graham was prevented from speaking at an event in Nagaland late last month to commemorate the anniversary of a crusade his father, the late Rev. Billy Graham, conducted in the region 53 years earlier. The Times of India reported that Graham had been denied a visa, causing one local leader to send letters to federal officials voicing displeasure with the matter.

A spokesperson for the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association clarified the situation in a statement sent to The Christian Post on Tuesday.

"The visas for Rev. Franklin Graham and our team were approved by the Government of India, Ministry of Home Affairs, Foreigners Division; however, it was after the necessary departure date for Mr. Graham to arrive in time for Nagaland United: A Gathering of Faith, Hope and Revival and for the Hornbill Festival," read the statement.

Continued below.

Did India deny a visa to Franklin Graham ahead of a crusade? Here's what we know

The Rev Franklin Graham was recently unable to attend a Christian revival event in India due to a visa issue, with some alleging foul play

www.christianpost.com

Seems strange cause Americans can get an electronic visa. I read a tourist visa takes 4 days. Likely Graham applied for a different type of visa? My advice for anyone traveling to minister is to really take a look at the destination and keep things as simple as possible. Unless your going to stay longer generally a tourist visa is fine. Your not working if you dont take money from the place your going. Of course Graham is high profile plus he is bringing a team. I can say too in my experience that groups are scrutinized more by immigration authorities. There is nothing like going to a country and not being allowed to enter. The usa even rejects some valid visa holders.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-09T20:58:57-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
The answer is none. The last time congress executed their power to declare war was for WW2. So when you think about all the wars and conflicts the United States either started or got involved, it was not because Congress declared war. So the notion that we cannot be at war with drug cartels because "only congress can declare war" is nonsense.

Congress can also pass a resolution, which is how Vietnam and Iraq I&II were authorized. Read the War Powers Act of 1973.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-09T20:57:27-0600

Landon Caeli said:
European Union’s announcement Friday of a roughly $140 million fine against X for violating the bloc’s digital rules have fueled the fire, pushing transatlantic relations to their lowest point since Trump returned to the White House in January.

Elon Musk, the owner of X, is calling for abolishing the E.U., and Trump supporters are railing against the 27-nation bloc.

MSN

I think the EU should stay together to protect American interests. But will they? I dont know. I mean, if Europeans are ethnically replaced by foreign immigrants, is it really the same Europe anymore?

Yarddog · 2025-12-09T20:56:52-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, the President can introduce U.S. Armed Forces, including Marines, into hostilities or situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated for up to 60 days without congressional authorization.

The first strike was on Sept. 2. That is over 90 days. He is outside his timeframe.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-09T20:51:22-0600

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Servus said:
I was being generous. They were absolutely nothing alike. It was like comparing a Toyota Yaris to a Ford F-150.

Ford F-150 loaded with drugs.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-09T20:51:16-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
You were a cop, weren't you? That's what I was referring to. Part of this largesse in taking care of more and more people goes to fund the salaries of government employees, like you and your wife.

What about taking care of me? I contributed. I paid taxes. My plan was to keep working until I turned 70, now I can’t do that. Where is my government assistance?

Landon Caeli · 2025-12-09T20:51:08-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
This should probably be up to the people who actually live there.

Why?

Yarddog · 2025-12-09T20:50:56-0600

Servus said:
That's all hearsay, not proof.

That's not hear say. There isbvudeo evidence of the strikes. There is testimony from those involved. That is not hearsay.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-09T20:48:07-0600

RocksInMyHead said:
As I said, they're not identical. Quibbling over the details is irrelevant - again, the point is that there is no consistent definition of what a "fishing boat" might look like in the Caribbean, so saying that something "doesn't look like a fishing boat" because it doesn't look like a random picture of a fishing boat that you found on the internet is a red herring.

The similarities between the two boats in my post are their size (roughly 20 ft) and their general layout (open boats with fairly low freeboard).

Well, the biggest difference is that one boat was full of fish and fishing gear, but all the boats that were destroyed appeared to be full of drugs and no fishing gear. By the way, did you ever find any evidence that any actual fishing boats were attacked? I really want to know why so many people are insisting that Trump is blowing up fishing boats.

Mark Quayle · 2025-12-09T20:43:41-0600

ARBITER01 said:
Again,..... a lot of people are more worried about theology than a relationship with Jesus.

I hope you understand that you have just expressed your theology.

There is no stagnant relationship with Jesus. We come to know him by various ways. Some ways more weighty than to protest people coming to know him better by pursuit of theological understanding which answers questions about their relationship with Jesus, and brings their hearts closer to him, seeing him as more precious than before.

Mark Quayle · 2025-12-09T20:42:48-0600

ARBITER01 said:
Sorry, but it's not on the greatest hits album with GOD.

I wouldn't presume to think that your walk with Jesus is remotely the same as mine, and that your understanding of GOD and His will is the same as mine at this point. We are only united together by the blood of Jesus, our spiritual maturity levels are all different by design.

What you might find to be important to you is not even on my radar screen anymore, if it ever was in the first place. Our walk with Jesus is to be a steady upward climb towards closeness with The Father and His holiness, not a circle in the sand.

You're more than welcome to pursue such matters, by all means do so, but again, don't automatically think that your walk and ambitions with GOD, and what you find to be important, is the same as mine.

I agree, to a point. I don't believe in common levels of maturity, or stages where this believer is behind or ahead of another in some common line of ascent. Certainly, one believer is more mature than another, but that doesn't imply such notions as, "I've been where you are."

But the study of the subject we have been pursuing, here, (or trying to pursue, at least), has everything in the end to do with the grace of God, which grace is the essence of the Gospel of Christ. That is the "weightier matter" —not the "milk" but the "meat". "1Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith in God, 2instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And this we will do, if God permits." It is that grace which is the meat of the whole of life, without which we are nothing. We are here to come to know Him.

I agree that we are not here to "figure it out". And discourse, discord and debate can (and usually do) descend into a lot of uselessness. In and of itself, "good works" is not the focus of grace, nor what we are to pursue above all else. What Calvin thinks about 'good works' is not of itself among the weightier matters. That I grant. But God's Word will not return to him void. And discussing what it says and what it means and what it is talking about, and discussing what God is doing/ building/ accomplishing, is always among the weightier matters.

Richard T · 2025-12-09T20:41:52-0600

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samaus123456789 said:
thank you. Chat GPT continues to amaze me how it gets things right 99% of the time with the bible.

I do use ai mainly as a reference tool though. On your topic I have to think more about what this means in relation to the mind of Christ. But the idea we know in part we prophecy in part, the call of us to seek and ask for wisdom, to meditate day and night on the word suggests the depper things of God are available if we make more effort.

Yusuphhai · 2025-12-09T20:37:38-0600

1Cor. 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.

Apostles and prophets form a high council. This is the consensus of all broad Christianity that no doctrine can conflict with the council of apostles and prophets. In fact, many Messianic may take part in Protestant or Catholic fellowship gatherings because they cannot find a more suitable meeting place. You can tell the Baptist organization about your desire to join Messianic Judaism, and perhaps stay in the Baptist Church while maintaining Messianic Jewish beliefs. The John Wesley system is relatively tolerant towards Jews. You can also contact Messianic Jewish organizations at the same time to hear their opinions.

Enjoy the trip.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-09T20:36:41-0600

Bradskii said:
Well, it's quite a dismal abrogation of your self imposed duty in arguing for the extra judicial killing of drug runners in now suggesting that they must be granted all legal and morally accepted forms of due process should they cross an arbitrary line designating territorial waters.

What pathetic, liberal, bleeding-heart, left wing dross is this? Shame on any true red, white and blue blooded MAGA supporter who likewise supports and mollycoddles these terrorists.

As Trump said, you must kill them all. Make it known that drug dealers reaching 'a safe point' like some made up rule in a kids' game (nah, nah, I'm safe! Can't kill me now!) is something up with which you are not going to put!

Stand up and be counted! Nail those patriotic colours to that new White House mast and make the president proud!

The world will turn away in embarrasment, but don't you fret about that.

Are you feeling well? Because frankly, you sound a little...off. Furthermore, do you have any idea how wars are fought? Do you think soldiers storm the battlefield with handcuffs to arrest the enemy and bring them to trial?

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-09T20:33:11-0600

BPPLEE said:
My living? By your own admission people who have never contributed anything to the system can get government assistance. Where is mine? I started working when I was 16, I worked for 45 years. I have PTSD, I was encouraged to apply for disability 18 years ago, but I chose to keep working. I worked until September 25th 2024. The nerve pain in my leg was so bad that the health nurse sent me home. I had surgery but it only got worse. I haven’t been able to walk without crutches or a walker for over a year. I’m still waiting on a decision for if I qualify for disability. From what I’ve read I doubt that I will get it. Even if I do it will not be enough to live on, I will have to find something I can do part time that doesn’t require standing or walking. I don’t qualify for any government assistance. I took money out of my IRA to live off of. Neither party helps me. Where is government assistance for people who have worked all their lives and can no longer work? It goes to people who have never contributed anything

You were a cop, weren't you? That's what I was referring to. Part of this largesse in taking care of more and more people goes to fund the salaries of government employees, like you and your wife.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-09T20:31:19-0600

Yarddog said:
Yes, now, the President has to get authorization to use military force.

Under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, the President can introduce U.S. Armed Forces, including Marines, into hostilities or situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated for up to 60 days without congressional authorization.

BNR32FAN · 2025-12-09T20:31:09-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Can you site references please so the context can be looked at.

Sure here are a few quotes I’ve presented before in a previous thread.

BNR32FAN said:
So at 46 minutes into this video she says that the people who died in the flood died because they ate meat which caused them to live a sinful life. What I find absolutely intriguing is that on the very day that Noah stepped off of the ark, God told him to eat anything alive that moves. So Ellen White is saying that God killed everyone on the earth except for Noah and his family because they ate meat and the first thing God does after the flood is tell Noah to eat meat. Lol wow I’m going to refrain from opinions at this time.

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BNR32FAN said:
At 16:45 into the video Ellen White says this

All are required to do what they can to preserve healthy bodies and sound minds. If they will gratify a gross appetite, and by so doing blunt their sensibilities, and becloud their perceptive faculties so that they cannot appreciate the exalted character of God, or delight in the study of His word, they may be assured that God will not accept their unworthy offering any sooner than that of Cain. God requires them to cleanse themselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord. After man has done all in his power to ensure health, by the denying of appetite and gross passions, that he may possess a healthy mind, and a sanctified imagination, that he may render to God an offering in righteousness, then he is saved alone by a miracle of God's mercy, as was the ark upon the stormy billows.

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BNR32FAN said:
At 18:40 into the video she says this

The sin of intemperate eating, eating too frequently, too much, and of rich, unwholesome food, destroys the healthy action of the digestive organs, affects the brain, and perverts the judgment, preventing rational, calm, healthy thinking and acting. And this is a fruitful source of church trials. Therefore, in order for the people of God to be in an acceptable state with Him, where they can glorify Him in their bodies and spirits, which are His, they must with interest and zeal deny the gratification of their appetites, and exercise temperance in all things. Then may they comprehend the truth in its beauty and clearness, and carry it out in their lives, and by a judicious, wise, straightforward course, give the enemies of our faith no occasion to reproach the cause of truth

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BNR32FAN said:
Ok at 20:30 into the video she said this.

Some have sneered at this work of reform, and have said it was all unnecessary; that it was an excitement to divert minds from present truth. They have said that matters were being carried to extremes. Such do not know what they are talking about. While men and women professing godliness are diseased from the crown of their head to the soles of their feet, while their physical, mental, and moral energies are enfeebled through gratification of depraved appetite and excessive labor, how can they weigh the evidences of truth, and comprehend the requirements of God? If their moral and intellectual faculties are beclouded, they cannot appreciate the value of the atonement or the exalted character of the work of God, nor delight in the study of His word. How can a nervous dyspeptic be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh him a reason of the hope that is in him, with meekness and fear? How soon would such a one become confused and agitated, and by his diseased imagination be led to view matters in altogether a wrong light, and by a lack of that meekness and calmness which characterized the life of Christ, be caused to dishonor his profession while contending with unreasonable men? Viewing matters from high religious standpoint, we must be thorough reformers in order to be Christlike.

I saw that our heavenly Father has bestowed upon us the great blessing of light upon the health reform, that we may obey the claims which He has upon us, and glorify Him in our bodies and spirits, which are His, and finally stand without fault before the throne of God.

According to what she said here until we have received the reformed dietary laws, her dietary laws, we were unable to stand without fault before God.

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BNR32FAN said:
At 22:22 into the video Ellen White makes this statement.

I saw that our heavenly Father has bestowed upon us the great blessing of light upon the health reform, that we may obey the claims which He has upon us, and glorify Him in our bodies and spirits, which are His, and finally stand without fault before the throne of God.

At 23:41 she also says this

There are but few as yet who are aroused sufficiently to understand how much their habits of diet have to do with their health, their characters, their usefulness in this world, and their eternal destiny.

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Then there’s the quotes I posted in posts 29, 30, & 33.

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