Abortion in Arizona set to be illegal in nearly all circumstances, state high court rules

[RileyG]

Too bad. I was hoping abortion would be illegal nationwide.

 

[wing2000]

The AZ Senate voted to repeal the 1864 law....but the repeal won't go into effect until 90 days after the legislative session....leaving health care providers in a gray area.

The Arizona Senate has voted to repeal the Civil War-era near-total ban on abortion that had been recently revived by a court ruling, setting the stage for it come off the books later this year.

The repeal passed by a narrow margin — 16-14 — with two Republicans joining Senate Democrats.

The repeal bill goes soon to Democratic Gov. Katie Hobbs, who has promised to sign it. But lawmakers lacked the votes to make the repeal effective immediately, meaning there could be uncertainty for months about whether it can still be enforced.

Newly-signed bills don’t go into effect until 90 days after the end of the legislative session.

Arizona lawmakers vote by a narrow margin to repeal 1864 near-total abortion ban

 

[Slibhin]

Too bad. I was hoping abortion would be illegal nationwide.

Why? Not enough women's lives are being put at risk as it is?

 

[RileyG]

Why? Not enough women's lives are being put at risk as it is?

To protect the most innocent. I believe it should only be used to save the life of the mother and nothing else.

 

[Slibhin]

To protect the most innocent. I believe it should only be used to save the life of the mother and nothing else.

Unfortunately such laws do not work, endanger women's lives and have caused many deaths.

 

[discombobulated1]

Arizona was going to be a tight race in November....now with the States Supreme Court upholding a Civil War era law, I expect Republicans will lose across many races as many will be voting for the ballot measure to protect a woman's right to chose. The law is on hold pending review by a lower court (details pending).

"The Arizona Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld a 160-year-old abortion ban that could shutter abortion clinics in the state, saying the law that existed before Arizona became a state could be enforced going forward.

The ruling indicated the ban can only be prospectively enforced and the court stayed enforcement for 14 days. But it's already causing political earthquakes.

The pre-statehood law mandates two to five years in prison for anyone aiding an abortion, except if the procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother. A law from the same era requiring at least a year in prison for a woman seeking an abortion was repealed in 2021."

Abortion in Arizona set to be illegal in nearly all circumstances, state high court rules

The 1864 law mandates prison time for abortion providers and only allows for abortion if the mother's life is at risk.

www.azcentral.com

I'm glad old laws that were never officially abolished are still adhered to, at least by some.

And God does not change.

He doesn't like abortion more today than he did 100 years ago. Why should we?

 

[discombobulated1]

AZ might be all blue in November.

others would prefer it be red with the blood of the unborn

 

[RileyG]

Unfortunately such laws do not work, endanger women's lives and have caused many deaths.

Which is why we must do both to protect mother and child. Both lives are valuable. They don't deserved to be destroyed.

 

[Adam56]

Unfortunately such laws do not work, endanger women's lives and have caused many deaths.

How do you know they don’t work? Have democrats ever tried to come to a compromise? As far as I’m concerned they want abortion legal at all stages.

 

[Adam56]

Also good news in Florida today.

Florida ban on abortions after 6 weeks takes effect

More than 9,000 people traveled to Florida for abortions last year. The new law means the state is no longer a refuge for abortion access in the South.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[NxNW]

How do you know they don’t work? Have democrats ever tried to come to a compromise? As far as I’m concerned they want abortion legal at all stages.

Democrats supported Roe, which was not "legal at all stages".

 

[RileyG]

The fact that abortion-the taking of the life of the unborn- ever became legal blows my mind.

 

[RileyG]

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Also good news in Florida today.

Florida ban on abortions after 6 weeks takes effect

More than 9,000 people traveled to Florida for abortions last year. The new law means the state is no longer a refuge for abortion access in the South.

www.nbcnews.com

I hope Florida bans abortion completely! Glory to God!

 

[Slibhin]

Which is why we must do both to protect mother and child. Both lives are valuable. They don't deserved to be destroyed.

There isn't some magical procedure out there that can save both, if there was people would use it. Sometimes it's one or the other, or the baby is unable to survive.

How do you know they don’t work? Have democrats ever tried to come to a compromise? As far as I’m concerned they want abortion legal at all stages.

Why should people compromise on a life saving procedure to satisfy the sensibilities of religious ideologues?

In Ireland, where I lived most of my life, abortion was strictly illegal until ten years ago. Although in theory saving the mother's life was an exception, the laws were unclear so doctors simply wouldn't do it because a mistake would land them in prison. You see, medicine is not an exact science and many times doctors have to weigh treatment on a percentage scale... "This is 92 percent likely to happen so treatment should be...". Women in Ireland were dying because of it's illegal nature:

Death of Savita Halappanavar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This was the most recent and well known case. People were so outraged the population held a referendum to overturn the law, and it won overwhelmingly. A few years ago my husband was killed in an accident and upon being informed by the police the shock caused me to have a miscarriage. Had it been ten year earlier I'd most certainly be dead because the doctors would have been unable to treat me.

Delayed and denied: Women pushed to death's door for abortion care in post-Roe America

ABC News interviewed 18 women for the series "On the Brink," looking at abortion care in America after Roe v. Wade was overturned.

abcnews.go.com

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/25/1171851775/oklahoma-woman-abortion-ban-study-shows-confusion-at-hospitals

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/health/texas-abortion-ban-infant-mortality-invs/index.html

‘They forced me to carry my baby to the end’: women of color on being denied abortion

Anya Cook and Samantha Casiano were forced to navigate pregnancies with complications in post-Roe America

www.theguardian.com

She was denied an abortion in Texas - then she almost died

Over a dozen women are suing Texas after being denied abortions they say were medically necessary.

www.bbc.com

 

[Adam56]

Why should people compromise on a life saving procedure to satisfy the sensibilities of religious ideologues?

You should be working with lawmakers to fix these laws.

Also, just because something is religious doesn’t mean it’s false. In the case of Christianity, it comes from God himself.

 

[Slibhin]

You should be working with lawmakers to fix these laws.

Also, just because something is religious doesn’t mean it’s false. In the case of Christianity, it comes from God himself.

I'm not American, I'm just providing related commentary.

I'm not a Christian, I'm an orthodox Jew... so is it okay for me to ban you from eating pork and lobster? Can I ban you from working sundown Friday to sundown Saturday? Can I ban tattoos? Can I make it illegal to nookie with your spouse during her menstrual cycle? After all, those laws are from HaShem himself!

 

[RileyG]

Democrats supported Roe, which was not "legal at all stages".

You need to check your privilege.

Not everyone is so lucky like millions of fetuses who were aborted all in the name of “choice.”

Apparently, life is no longer considered a right; but there WILL be a day of reckoning, from God himself.

There isn't some magical procedure out there that can save both, if there was people would use it. Sometimes it's one or the other, or the baby is unable to survive.

Why should people compromise on a life saving procedure to satisfy the sensibilities of religious ideologues?

In Ireland, where I lived most of my life, abortion was strictly illegal until ten years ago. Although in theory saving the mother's life was an exception, the laws were unclear so doctors simply wouldn't do it because a mistake would land them in prison. You see, medicine is not an exact science and many times doctors have to weigh treatment on a percentage scale... "This is 92 percent likely to happen so treatment should be...". Women in Ireland were dying because of it's illegal nature:

Death of Savita Halappanavar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This was the most recent and well known case. People were so outraged the population held a referendum to overturn the law, and it won overwhelmingly. A few years ago my husband was killed in an accident and upon being informed by the police the shock caused me to have a miscarriage. Had it been ten year earlier I'd most certainly be dead because the doctors would have been unable to treat me.

Delayed and denied: Women pushed to death's door for abortion care in post-Roe America

ABC News interviewed 18 women for the series "On the Brink," looking at abortion care in America after Roe v. Wade was overturned.

abcnews.go.com

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/25/1171851775/oklahoma-woman-abortion-ban-study-shows-confusion-at-hospitals

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/health/texas-abortion-ban-infant-mortality-invs/index.html

‘They forced me to carry my baby to the end’: women of color on being denied abortion

Anya Cook and Samantha Casiano were forced to navigate pregnancies with complications in post-Roe America

www.theguardian.com

She was denied an abortion in Texas - then she almost died

Over a dozen women are suing Texas after being denied abortions they say were medically necessary.

www.bbc.com

my only prayer is for both the mother and baby to survive, I cannot and will not support abortion in any way, shape, or form

 

[RileyG]

You should be working with lawmakers to fix these laws.

Also, just because something is religious doesn’t mean it’s false. In the case of Christianity, it comes from God himself.

Absolutely! No one deserves to die in the name of “choice.”

 

[RileyG]

My apologies, I took you seriously. I won't make that mistake again.

Sorry! I believe ALL life matters. How is that controversial?

 

[RileyG]

My apologies, I took you seriously. I won't make that mistake again.

Even Ben Shapiro, as an Orthodox Jew, was very much opposed to abortion.

I said nothing theologically wrong.

Furthermore, if you disagree with me that is fine. I 100% respect everyone’s right to have their own views. That’s your right. Agree to disagree and move on.