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Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

This is a classic example of attempting to mix the two covenants together. You being a law keeper should know that you cannot add or take away anything from the law. This means you cannot add the spiritual rest we have in Christ to the physical rest of the law. Hebrews 10:1 plainly says the law was only a shadow, not the substance or spiritual reality.
Does Heb 10:1 say the Sabbath law was a shadow or did it say something else. I am a firm believer of not adding to the Scriptures on what it does not say but allowing the Bible to interpret Itself.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.

7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them(which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being [d]sanctified.

The law being spoke of is animal sacrifices and offerings what Jesus was predicted to end. There is nothing in the Ten Commandments about animal sacrifices. The Ten Commandments is what defines what sin is when breaking 1John3:4 James2:11 animal sacrifices was added because of sin until the Seed (Jesus came) why they were a shawdow.

. The new covenant is the covenant that promises everlasting life but as Jesus said, search the scriptures for in them you think you have everlasting life but these testify of me. John 5:39
The New Covenant according to God is having His laws now written in the heart and mind of the New Covenant believer's heart. Heb8:10 and only God can define His laws, which He did Exo20:6, it is His Testimony Exo31:18 and as the Scripture you posted indicated, the entire Bible is about the testimony of God through His apostles and prophets. And who has a greater testimony than God Himself. No one.


Considering the spiritual state you are in
Weird thing to say to a stranger and only God knows anyone's spiritual state so I say its best to let God be God to judge ones heart and to define His laws and Scripture.
I say continue your law keeping, because the schoolmaster may yet lead you to Christ.
Yes and once in Christ if we love Him He says keep My commandments and gives us a Helper, the Spirit of Truth so we don't have to do it alone
If this doesn’t happen now in your current life there is still hope for you in the second resurrection.
Everyone has to have a conversion in Christ in order to be part of the second resurrection if we are not alone when He returns
Remember, you must keep the Ten Commandments in absolute perfection, never breaking even one of them because if you do you have broken them all.
This applies to everyone, and while no one can keep God's laws are their own, through Christ all things are possible including keeping His commandments John14:15-18 Rev14:12 Rev22:14
After Jesus magnified the Ten Commandments to include the thoughts and intents of the heart it made the law even more impossible to keep than before. This means that you cannot even think of sin because your guilty of it.
I think you are reading your own doctrine into the Scriptures. No one should dwell on sinning, but if our heart is changed, the outward part would be too and the commandments would be kept.
GOD will judge all people by the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12 All sin is lust and coveting by our thoughts, will you be able to control all your thoughts so as not to sin ?
Again, no one can in their own power but with God, He promises He has a people who overcomes. We can read all about this in Revelation which is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
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Holding Fast to His Promises

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God’s assurance of eternal life brings a quiet peace to our innermost being. It is a promise we can rest in, knowing that our future is held securely in His hands. This certainty steadies us in seasons of uncertainty, lifts our hearts when burdens grow heavy, and reminds us that our story does not end in this world. Because Christ has overcome, we can face each day with confidence, anchored in the unchanging truth that we belong to Him now and forever.

Scripture tells us that eternal life is God’s gift—found in His Son and already given to all who believe. Jesus declared that the one who believes “has everlasting life,” a present reality rather than a distant hope. When doubts arise, they often point us toward our own failures or inconsistencies, but true assurance turns our gaze back to Christ: His sacrifice, His promise, His faithfulness.

1 John 5:11–13 (NKJV): “And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.”

This passage shows us that our assurance rests on God’s testimony. Eternal life is hope for the future beyond life as we know it here on this Earth. John writes so that believers may walk in certainty rather than doubt, grounded in what God has declared. Eternal life is not something we earn, achieve, or maintain by our own strength, it is a gift given to us by God, our Father. Jesus Himself said, “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life” (John 3:36) - present tense, a settled reality.

Romans 8:31–39 (NKJV): “What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?

Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

As it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long.

We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”

Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

This passage gathers every fear, accusation, and weakness we carry and answers them with the unshakeable truth of God’s love in Christ. Paul speaks from a life marked by hardship, yet his conclusion is unwavering: nothing can undo what God has done for us. God did not spare His own Son - that alone settles every question about His heart toward us. If He gave His very best, every other need will be supplied. No accusation can stand, because God justifies. No condemnation can hold, because Christ died and rose again. No circumstance can separate us from His love. The love of Christ is not fragile; it holds steady through tribulation, distress, persecution, and even death itself. Paul’s persuasion becomes our encouragement: nothing in all creation can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. In Him, we are held. In Him, we are secure. In Him, we are more than conquerors - not because of our strength, but because of His love that never let’s go.

The Holy Spirit also plays a quiet, steady role in assurance. He bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children and heirs with Christ. His voice is not loud or dramatic but a deep, settled knowing - a peace that rises when we read the Word, pray, or simply sit before the Lord. Jesus promises that His sheep are held securely in His hand and in the Father’s hand, where no enemy, circumstance, or weakness can reach. Assurance rests on His promise, not our worthiness. Salvation is secured by God’s power, not human effort. Grace saves us, the Spirit seals us, and Christ keeps us.

Romans 8:16–17 (NKJV): “The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs - heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.”

Holy Spirit reminds us again and again that we belong to the Father and that nothing can separate us from His love. God’s assurance shapes the way we live. When we know we are secure in Christ, fear loses its grip. We pray with confidence, face trials with hope, and walk in obedience not to earn salvation but because we already have it.

John 10:27–29 (NKJV): “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.”

Nothing can separate believers from the love of God - not suffering, not spiritual forces, not death, not life. Eternal life is found in the Son, and whoever has the Son has life. Our lives are hidden with Christ in God - secure, protected, and awaiting full revelation when He appears. Eternal life is not something we cling to buy effort - it is something Christ holds for us. So, this week, let your heart rest. Let the assurance of your salvation quiet your thoughts, steady your steps, and fill your days with peace. You are His, and He keeps what is His.
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To the Holy Spirit — thank You for guiding every word, guarding every step, and glorifying Jesus through it all. All glory, honour, praise and worship goes to God Almighty, for He alone is worthy to receive it all.

May these words echo grace, healing, and truth wherever they are read.

Acknowledgement: Testimony reference from Richard Wurmbrand, Tortured for Christ (Living Sacrifice Book Company, 1967).

Acknowledgement of Bible Scriptures: New King James Version (NKJV), Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 1982; Holy Bible, King James Version (KJV), Cambridge University Press, 1769: verses sourced using Bible Gateway.

Trump’s Domestic Use of Military Set to Get Worse, Leaked DHS/DoD Memo Shows: LA "hasn't been perfect" but indicates what's coming "for years to come"

Just a note that there are still active National Guard in Los Angeles. And several other cities, obviously.

Still are, six months after this 'rebellion' began. The courts have been batting it back and forth, but here's the latest shot over the net.

Trump must end National Guard deployment in L.A., judge rules

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that the Trump administration must immediately end the deployment of the National Guard in Los Angeles, the latest legal blow to the president’s embattled efforts to police American streets with armed soldiers.

Senior U.S. District Judge Charles R. Breyer said in his ruling that command of the remaining 300 federalized National Guard troops must return to Gov. Gavin Newsom, who sued the administration in June after it commandeered thousands of troops to quell protests over immigration enforcement in Los Angeles.

The order was set to take effect on Monday, though it was all but certain to be appealed to the 9th Circuit.

Meanwhile, the Supreme Court is weighing an almost identical challenge to the deployment in Illinois.
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State leaders speak out about plans to expand the Islamic Academy of Alabama

Please listen to her story. Its real and it is truth.
Do you have any testimonies from any ex-Muslims who aren't selling books? Fear sells and it seems every ex-Muslim that does these types of interviews is doing it for financial gain.

Islamism is dangerous.
I agree; however, the vast majority of Muslims are not Islamists, and those who are, especially in the West, do not support using violence to achieve political goals or change the style of government they live under. In fact, many of the Muslims migrating to the West are escaping from oppression and conflict by violent Islamists in their country. They don't want to bring what they are escaping from to where they are now.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

As you are aware @stevevw's answers are based on a standard template, it doesn't matter what you post his responses will always be the same.
The sheer stupidity of using a template is that despite a myriad of peer reviewed articles and tests which clearly debunk Egyptians using stone softening techniques, tools producing machined surfaces etc is automatically judged as nonexistent otherwise it contradicts the template.

Tempates? Not sure what those are in this context. I thought his neurons were repeatedly firing in the same wrong way.

There are posters who get caught in loops and obsessions (mr. thalidomide comes to mind) and keep coming back to the same things even when not applicable.
This leads to @stevevw's fallacious reasoning assertion transcendental knowledge is a product of his refusal to even acknowledge the role of science and the evidence in reconstructing the world the ancients lived in.
It is so weird, since even the video in the first post is about physical evidence of civilization and settlement earlier than previously appreciated plus a bit of speculation.
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

We simply don’t know that all who are drawn will come; we know that all who are drawn and come will be raised up.
You still have yet to address my refutation of this position. Who does the "him" refer to in the clause, "and I will raise him up on the last day"? There's no disputing that it refers to those who actually come to Jesus. But who comes to Jesus? Grammatically, what is John saying here?

οὐδεὶς δύναται ἐλθεῖν πρός με ἐὰν μὴ ὁ πατὴρ ὁ πέμψας με ἑλκύσῃ αὐτόν, κἀγὼ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸν ἐν τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day."

The αὐτόν who is raised on the last day is the same αὐτόν who is drawn. Grammatically, the pronoun in ἀναστήσω αὐτόν must refer back to the nearest suitable antecedent, which is the οὐδεὶς δύναται… ἐὰν μὴ ὁ πατὴρ ἑλκύσῃ αὐτόν clause. In other words, the "him" who is raised is the "him" who is drawn. The text itself makes no grammatical space for subdividing the referent into two groups -- those enabled to come, versus those who actually do.

Your reading requires precisely that distinction -- that some of the "him" drawn are not the "him" raised. But the syntax does not supply a second referent for αὐτόν to latch onto. You must therefore import an unspoken category. In other words, you're making an interpretive move that presupposes the very point you want to prove. Meanwhile, the surrounding context (vv. 37, 39, 65) consistently grounds coming in sovereign initiative, which strongly argues against any basis for that presupposition.

Again, consider the contrapositive.

Let p = "one can come to me"
Let q = "the Father draws him"
Let r = "I will raise him up"

The verse, as stated, reads: "not p if not q, and r," which, stated formally in symbolic logic, is (-q --> -p) ^ r

The contrapositive of this is (p --> q) ^ r, which reads:

"If one can come to me, then the Father has drawn him, and I will raise him up."

Who does Christ promise to raise? The one drawn. Who is the one drawn? The one enabled to come.

"If Sam is able to come to me, then the Father has drawn Sam, and I will raise Sam up."

This is a promise of final salvation based on the Father's sovereign act in drawing individuals. This comports with John 6:37: "All that the Father gives me will come to me."
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The Lord's Wrath - How will it Happen

This much prophesied, still to come, Lords Day of vengeance and wrath – will happen at the same time as an attack against Israel. Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 People think there may be a nuclear exchange, but what is more certain is what the prophets say:
Jeremiah 50:25 The Lord opens His armoury and brings forth the weapons of His wrath, for this is His work to be done in the lands of the godless peoples. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
Isaiah 34:5 For My sword appears in heaven, it descends in judgement…….
Psalm 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven, raining fiery coals onto the wicked. ……
Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, like a whirlwind. He will judge with fire, His sword will test mankind and many will be slain by Him.
Isaiah 33:10-12 Now I shall arise, says the Lord, I will exalt Myself. You will be as chaff and stubble, a wind like fire will consume you. Whole nations will be heaps of white ash, like thorns cut down and set on fire.
Psalm 144:5-6 Lord, part the heavens. Make lightning flashes far and wide.
Isaiah 30:30 Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty...descending in fierce anger with devouring flames of fire amid storms and hail.
Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from God, a sweeping whirlwind which whirls around the heads of the wicked. The Lords fierce anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes. In Days to come you will understand.
Isaiah 29:5-6 Yet, the horde of Your enemies will crumble into dust, fly away like chaff. Suddenly in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with storms, thunder, earthquakes and great noise and a flame of devouring fire. 2 Peter 3:7
Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched by the Lord, the people are like fuel for the fire.
Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, its Holy One a flame, which, in one day will burn up and consume His thorns and briars.
Isaiah 30:26-30 On the Day that the Lord saves His people, the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness and the moon will be as bright as the sun……
See; the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. His lips are charged with wrath and His tongue is a devouring fire. His breath is like a torrent in spate. He sieves out the nations for destruction.
Isaiah 63:1-6

What these (and many other) prophecies, seem to be describing is sunspot activity.
Maybe the sun is building up to a huge Coronal Mass Ejection, something we do experience with minor CME’s. They happen very suddenly and unexpectedly, reaching earth within hours and are capable of causing enormous damage and deaths worldwide.
All electrical and communications systems, industry, transport; our modern infrastructure could be destroyed, or at least severely damaged. Armies would be back to 1800’s technology.

A CME explosion of the suns surface, as described in Isaiah 30:26, by the sun flashing 7 times brighter, would be one of unprecedented magnitude and would literally cause all the graphically Prophesied effects. For example; the moon would shine bright red as it reflects this suns explosive flash, plus a thermoluminescent reaction between the metallic oxides of the moon with the superheated Hydrogen mass, also causing our satellites to crash to the earth, like ripe figs falling.
Nuclear weaponry most definitely

Zechariah 14:12

And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite the people that have fought against Jerusalem; their flesh still consume away while they stand on their feet, their eyes will consume away in their holes, and their tongues shall consume away in their mouths.

Sounds like the immediate effects of nuclear weaponry. And I noticed that some of the newer translations use the word rot, and there is a difference in rot and being consumed away while you stand on your feet, while standing on your feet means immediate action.
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Trump says U.S. seized an oil tanker off Venezuela’s coast


We can't let Venezuela ship oil to Russia or any other country with an international ban.

"The Meaning of Foreknew in Romans 8:29"

Hey Dan

John 10:27 would be spiritual Israel. these are already OT believers and declared righteous by promise. John 3:3,5 would be speaking of the way to become part of spiritual Israel.
And will say from. Gal. 6;16. and Gal 6:15. is coupled together where Paul. calls them. THE ISRAEL OF GOD !!

and we know from ACTS 28: 25 - 28 that Israel. was SET ASIDE and ISA 6:1-13 says SO !!

dan p
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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

22 people were in the back of the vehicle, and they were all made to find alternate rides home. The driver, identified in a press release by Little Rock Police as 36-year-old as Zachary Platter of Indiana, was issued a citation because of the incident.
So… they hate illegals, but drive like them?
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Isaiah 43:10 Doesn't Say that YHWH wasn't "Formed"

In Isaiah 43:10 we read:
"“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,​
“and my servant whom I have chosen,​
so that you may know and believe me​
and understand that I am he.​
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me."​

This doesn't exclude that the speaker from being formed. (The hebrew word used in the sentence is Yatsar.)
Which in my opinion is beautiful if the Creator himself is Formed just like humanity was according to Genesis 2:7:
"Then the Lord God formed a man from the​
dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils​
the breath of life, and the man became a living being."​
Also in this sense we are way closer to G'd as we dare to believe.
Isn't it possible that God our Father formed / spoke himself into physical existence.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was with God. The same was in the beginning with God.

In the Old Testament Yahweh and the New Testament Yeshua / Jesus is the Word of God - the spoken Word of God who has physical existence and I'm not speaking of the human form he used when he was born of woman. You see he walked and talked with Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Noah. He said and ate with Abraham. He wrestled with Jacob though translation say Angels but Jacob said he has seen the Lord face to face.

Did not Jesus say our Father is Spirit / Spirit has no physical form. And he and our Father are one.
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Chapel Veils

How many ladies here who attend the N.O. wear a Chapel Veil or Mantilla to Mass? And how common is wearing one in your parish? I’m starting to see more women do it …..there used to be just one lady that I saw. Now, I’ve seen maybe three or four. I’m wondering if it’s going to become a trend? I dont wear one nor do any of my friends but I remember as a child wearing one and mine had sparkles (rhinstones?j on it. It was beautiful.

Citizens are fed up with Dem-invited migrants that have disdain for US law and culture

That's just it, it was never taught in classrooms and never will be. What is objected to is the observation, which Desantis blames on CRT, that there is still racism going on and that is what he doesn't want taught in the schools.
I’m not arguing about CRT, although elements of it have been taught in classrooms, my post was simply about a mistake someone made in their post
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How should i handle this?

I might say to the brother-in-law, "I'm sorry about that priest yesterday. That was a tasteless thing to say at a funeral." Not a long speech, but a short something to let the brother-in-law know that you saw what happened and that you're sympathetic.

If you have a relationship with the priest, you might quietly say to him next time you see him that it was really uncomfortable that he singled out a Jewish attendee like that. He might not have realized how his words would sound to the grieving family. Again, not a long speech, and not berating, but calling it to his attention so he doesn't accidentally do it again in the future.
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Zions New Children

I think you had better look into more updated news about the Jews in Israel and their efforts to build the third temple.
Apart from the fact that secular Jewish Israel opposes a Temple because of the strife it would cause, Bible Prophecy clearly states that the new Temple will be built by the Christian peoples. Zechariah 6:15, Isaiah 56:1-8, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 11:1-3, +
several Rabbis have announced that they have met with the messiah
Jeremiah 8:5-12 Judah has no remorse or repentance, How can you say: We have the Law, when your scribes have falsified it? For all, high and low are out for ill-gotten gain, your prophets and rabbis are frauds, every one of them. This wicked race would rather die than live. They say: All is well; no, nothing is well, they will all fall with a great crash on the Day of Reckoning. You will be as dung spread on the ground. Then, I will give the Land to new owners.
THIS is scripture, believe it!
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Refuting Losing Salvation!

“We are not under the law as a covenant of works / not justified by it,”
…which is very different from “no need to obey God’s moral commands.”
Aren't Christians obedience to God's commands greater than the Law's commands? God wanted the Jews to move on to Christianity, but obviously the majority chooses not to believe in the Lord Jesus and His commands. Christ and the Father's commands are far greater than the Law's of the Decalogue, but still He has a place for His people.

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put My laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people" (Jer 31:33).

This has yet to come to pass!
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Does Regeneration Precede Faith?

Hmmmm,..... interesting.

Let's see what other sections of scripture say,....

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart;" that is, the word of faith, which we proclaim:
Rom 10:9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


We always compare scripture with scripture to get the proper understanding, we never cherry pick one verse out and then try to build our theology around it with Greek tenses.
What's your objection? I fail to see why you think Romans 10:8-10 contradicts what was argued in the OP.
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RFK Adjusts Hepatitis B Vaccine Recommendations; Democrats Lose Their Minds



Driving the news: The 13-page impeachment resolution targets the health secretary with one charge of "abuse of authority and undermining of the public health."

  • The effort is a long shot, given Republicans control both chambers of Congress.

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