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Michie · 2025-12-10T07:13:51-0600

When a small, yet vocal group of critics labeled Skillet’s new Christmas single, a rock 'n’ roll version of “O Come, O Come Emmanuel,” as “demonic,” frontman John Cooper didn’t react defensively. Instead, he laughed. Because, in his words, the response felt familiar and something he's been navigating for almost his entire life.

The 50-year-old Grammy-nominated artist grew up in a deeply conservative Christian home where rock music — especially Christian rock — was viewed as a spiritual danger.

“I grew up in a very fundamentalist home,” he told The Christian Post. “I went to Bill Gothard seminars as a young person because my family was so into that stuff.”

His late mother, who died from cancer when he was 15, remains one of the most important figures in shaping his spiritual foundation. She was, in his words, a “Jesus fanatic” who taught him the Bible and helped him memorize Scripture.

“I've got nothing negative to say about my mom in the world. She was amazing,” he said.

But his upbringing, the singer shared, also included a strain of legalism.

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Skillet's John Cooper talks legalism, absolute truth and ‘demonic’ label on new Christmas song

Skillet frontman John Cooper responds to accusations that the band s new Christmas single is demonic and shares why he s unapologetic about sharing the Gospel and the truth, no matter the cost

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JosephZ · 2025-12-10T07:13:44-0600

Valletta said:
You can see the disdain in Omar. She essentially received a free American education yet shows contempt for our country. We want people country who respect and love the principles upon which America was founded.

"I remember how beautiful it was to get naturalized, it’s a feeling of belonging that stays with you. [...] Always and forever grateful to America for giving me and my family the ability to live in a country without limitations to achieve my dreams of happiness and success." - Ilhan Omar, August 31, 2023

"I am proud to be American." - Ilhan Omar, July 4, 2025

"30 years ago, my family arrived in the United States, a land of hope and opportunity." - Ilhan Omar, March 17, 2025

"I am proud to be American. To me, the real patriots are those who push their country to do better and live up to its ideals. Because if you love America as a beacon of hope, you have to love liberty and justice for all. America and its ideals are always worth fighting for." - Ilhan Omar, July 4, 2025

Michie · 2025-12-10T07:06:57-0600

A petition written by a group of ethnic-minority pastors within the Presbyterian Church in America went viral this week after accusing the largest conservative Presbyterian denomination in the U.S. of being spiritually abusive, sidelining women and "demonizing" gay people, among other grievances.

"We write as ethnic minority pastors and leaders within the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) with hearts full of gratitude and grief," reads the petitiontitled "A Call to Prayer & Lament," the authenticity of which a knowledgeable PCA source confirmed to The Christian Post.

'A schismatic culture'

While expressing gratitude for "the ways God has used this denomination to shape our faith, theology, and ministries," the petition laid out four scathing "laments" against the PCA: fostering "a schismatic culture," sidelining "minority and female leaders," supplanting "confessional generosity" with "theological rigidity," and allowing "denominational burden" to become "an obstacle to mission."

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Pastors accuse PCA of 'demonizing' LGBTQ, sidelining women: 'Spiritually abusive'

A petition within the Presbyterian Church in America went viral this week after accusing the denomination of being abusive, white and male-dominant, demonizing toward the LGBTQ community and other

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Kathleen30 · 2025-12-10T07:05:00-0600

David Lamb said:
So you believe Satan revealed to scientists who lived in Luther's time that hundreds of years later, a scientist called Einstein would introduce his theory of relativity, and that a space agency would exist in America? Where is the evidence that anybody in Luther's day knew such things?

Well Dave to me as scripture states Satan certainly doesn’t has the power to foresee the future. He certainly not he able to inform about NASA and Albert Einstein in Luther’s time. But he certainly knows how to instigate people to do do his bidding from generation to generation . But NASA certainly had some bad asses working for them like Jack Parsons who stabilised rocket fuels and made rocketry more reliable . He was into everything wife swapping, sex orgies and very much involved with the occult the OTO. Alister Crowley and Rex Hubbard from memory who was the future founder of Scientology all knew each other. Einstein was a bad ass too : )

reddogs · 2025-12-10T06:57:16-0600

The “yellow line” that divides Gaza under the ceasefire plan is now claimed as the “new border”. The IDF Chief Eyal Zamir, said Israel would hold to the current lines behind the yellow line would be held as the border of Israel and presumably defended as such. Here are the facts..

"Military chief says current division of Strip is a ‘forward defensive line for the communities and an offensive line,’ hours after PM says phase 2 of ceasefire deal is imminent
During a visit to the Gaza Strip on Sunday, IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir said that the Yellow Line, demarcating where the Israeli military withdrew to under the terms of the ongoing ceasefire, is “a new border line.”

“We will not allow Hamas to reestablish itself. We control large parts of the Gaza Strip and stand along [strategic] lines. The Yellow Line is a new border line, a forward defensive line for the communities and an offensive line,” Zamir said during a tour of Beit Hanoun and Jabalia, in remarks provided by the IDF." ... https://www.timesofisrael.com/touri...-zamir-says-gaza-ceasefire-line-a-new-border/

... IDF chief: Gaza's Yellow Line is Israel's new border line | The Jerusalem Post

AaronClaricus · 2025-12-10T06:57:07-0600

Yarddog said:
I haven't heard of a metaphorical Adam but there is a deeper meaning of Adam than the literal. It's allegorical.

Not sure about a metaphorical Adam but there is a less literal Adam interpretation. Not everyone see Adam as living to 930 after being specially created in 4004 BCE. Some put it at 5500 BCE or 3700 BCE based on greek and jewish texts. I place Adam on a timeline at about 10,000 BCE as that's the most plausible time on the standard history timeline for Adam. By 4004 BCE humans had cities that would be impressive in our post modern times.

Of course this interpretation would also support the hypothesis of pre-adamic men. Those individuals aren't necessarily theologically important to us. Life was a cruel and inflexible icescape before 9650 BCE.

timf · 2025-12-10T06:56:37-0600

You should be careful not to project your feelings of offense onto your brother in law. You might ask him his reaction to the incident. He may not have considered it consequential.

Maria Billingsley · 2025-12-10T06:56:11-0600

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samaus123456789 said:
I didn't realise I posted something like this already

Im glad you did. The Apocrypha is largely considered uninspired because its books were written during the Intertestamental Period, after the cessation of recognized prophecy, and they were never accepted into the authoritative Hebrew canon (the Tanakh) by the Jewish people, which further implies a lack of divine, prophetic authority.

Pioneer3mm · 2025-12-10T06:53:41-0600

Christianity has been declining in Britain & Continental Europe..
- for many years.
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Interesting to note:
'Protestant Missions' started in Britain..
- 18th century
- in English speaking world.
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William Carey
- Missionary from Britain to India..
- He has been called the father of
- 'Modern Mission Movement'.

timf · 2025-12-10T06:52:29-0600

2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

narnia59 · 2025-12-10T06:49:50-0600

Always in His Presence said:
I already gave you the answer. Roman’s 10

You have professed through Romans 10 that an individual has to make a conscious decision to believe in their heart and confess with their mouths to be saved.

That does not address the spiritual state of children who are too young to do so.

I think there are two choices:
1) All children are saved until they can make a conscious decision to be saved or not
2) No children are saved until they can make a conscious decision to be saved or not

So pretty easy, just pick #1 or #2, or provide another option I don't see.

johnnypapa · 2025-12-10T06:46:22-0600

Poland cannot be fully understood without Mary. Without her, one cannot grasp what Poland truly is, nor discern its divine calling and ultimate mission. The Virgin Mary stands at the very heart of Poland’s history — a history in which, the destiny of a nation has become intertwined with the mystery of faith.

The Black Madonna on Pilgrimage - Catholic Journal

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iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-10T06:45:15-0600

Larniavc said:
Is this site running slow for anyone else?

Yeah, it’s bad. Though a lot of my stuff has been laggy the last day or two. Amusingly, comcast sent me a message they were working on a problem in my area and the slowdowns didn’t start until they messaged me to say they were done working on.

Platte · 2025-12-10T06:42:15-0600

didactics said:
For a big part of my life I have been confident in the young earth creation model but one thing that has sort of been a sticking point for me is the ancient near east (ANE) interpretation of creation. It was first pointed out to me in talking about day 2 of creation, the idea that the writer is making reference to a solid firmament. It is further reasoned that the people in those days only knew of a flat earth cosmology, so they were just speaking in terms that everyone would understand. Just because they got something wrong does not mean God’s word is not true. It’s not a science textbook after all. And I have thought about this and wondered if there is any validity to it. The other thing that has really captured my attention is ideas surrounding behemoth and leviathan found in the book of Job. I have been persuaded that these are references to dinosaurs until I saw this video of Ben Stanhope’s critique of Answers in Genesis. He makes a compelling argument that these are descriptions of a mythological creature that symbolizes a false god, such as the followers of the Canaanite deity Baal. The comparison may have been a way of showing people that the true God is omnipotent and has no fear of them. And while I may want to entertain the idea that humans lived alongside dinosaurs, it is a weak argument to suggest Job makes mention of it.

It leads me to ask, if I am wrong on these things, what else am I wrong about? Most people who espouse this view about creation week, saying that it was a polemic to the pagan nations who say their gods took part in creation, tend to also be theistic evolutionists. In a wikipedia article “Firmament” it reads,

But one thing I found interesting is that John Hancock believes the ancients did believe the earth was round.

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Maybe the way to reconcile this is to say that philosophers in those days were more split on the issue and many thought it was flat before the time of the Middle Ages.

But if I cede the argument and say it had an ANE context, wouldn’t I be inconsistent to still believe in young earth creationism (YEC)? I have argued before that the Bible is inerrant and infallible and that no contradictions exist, only apparent contradictions. And I do feel in some way it would be a compromise to say that the Bible was wrong about the firmament being a solid dome that separated the heavenly waters above. I understand that the Bible is not a science textbook, but I believe that it has to be right whenever it does talk about science.

didactics,

When did the concept of ANE begin? That might help you in your quest.

johnnypapa · 2025-12-10T06:38:30-0600

Tolkien isn’t being cute. He is revealing the structure of reality. A door that cannot be forced is opened by friendship. By communion. Not power, but relationship. Not command, but the posture of a friend.

The moment reads us because we, too, try everything but the one thing the gate requires. The one thing that is ever before us.

Speak, Friend, and Enter: The Riddle at the Doorway of the Soul - Catholic Exchange

Tolkien’s riddle at the gate offers a pattern for the weary soul: surrender frenzy, embrace friendship with God, and walk forward in courage.

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Dan1988 · 2025-12-10T06:33:57-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
And you would be extremely wrong to think that philosophy is, in whole, mutually exclusive to Christian theology.

You might want to keep in mind that, actually, the undertaking of biblical systematic theology REQUIRES the application of some points of the wide (very, very wide) field of Philosophy.

You would be right to say that I don't hold to Sola Scriptura, and I'd go on record to in fact say that in order to be saved, no one needs to. God is bigger than the rag tag collection of letters and books we call the New Testament, after all, and I'll continue to take my measures for what constitutes 'good theology' from many Christian scholars (and ministers) rather than ................... only one local minister.

And in saying all of the above, I'll continue on in my viewpoint and do so with the same outlook and attitude of Copernicus who said, and I quote, "There may be babblers, wholly ignorant of mathematics, who dare to condemn my hypothesis, upon the authority of some part of the Bible twisted to suit their purpose. I value them not, and scorn their unfounded judgment.”

I beg to differ on this point. How can anyone have "sound theology" by believing in a social bubble, with little or no education in the area of Hermeneutics, Biblical Exegesis, and Church History??? ............ by special pleading about one's special, personal revelations or by the special abilities of one's singular local minister? I think not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obviously. I never said salvation is exactly congruent with "how well" we know the Scriptures. It's also not exactly congruent with a set of presuppositions attuned solely and only to, shall we say, a more Calvinistic leaning.

And neither is God impressed with anyone's SPIRITUAL ZEAL that persists without KNOWLEDGE.

Well then, with that, have a Merry Christmas!

Here's why I keep well away from Philosophy, Psychology, secular science or anything else that is based on mans wisdom.

Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death".

I'm never going to die again, once was enough, so why would I dabble in witchcraft or sorcery.

Philosophy has nothing to offer Born again believers, neither do the Shepherds of other flocks. Why would I turn my back on my Shepherd, to go after other Shepherds or worse still, Philosophers.

Here's what the bible says about those who do this.

Judges 2:17 "And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so."

I don't want to be like those who go whoring after other gods. God hands them over to the false gods and they are lost.

"Sola Scriptura" is Gods Living Word. It is the power to save, in fact it's the only way we can learn about who God is. Everyone who is saved and everyone who will be saved, is saved by the same old gospel. So the Bible is not a rag tag bunch of ancient weightings. It's Gods Living Word.

If you try to add anything to the simplicity of the Bible, then you will be swept away by every wind of doctrine.

There is only one way to learn, sound theology. And that is, you must be indwelt by the holy Spirit, (He leads Gods people, into all truth).

Those who are not lead by the Hoy Spirit, will surely fall for Satan's deception. He deceived Adam and Eve, and they were much wiser, than anyone today, but Satan is far wiser than any man, so deceiving unprotected men is super easy for Him.

It's getting close to midnight, so I'm goanna sign out for now, and I'm going to wish you a blessed Christmas, instead of a merry one. I think "merry" happy and the worlds gets happy after they have consumed some kind of external/artificial substance.

My sheppherd forbids any type of drugs or alcohol or any other type of sinful activities. My Church still has a Christmas party and a new years eve party. We still have great fun without abusing any substance's

Maria Billingsley · 2025-12-10T06:31:03-0600

samaus123456789 said:
⭐ 1. Obeying God does not guarantee visible results

This is one of the deepest truths in Scripture.

God told Isaiah:

God literally commanded a ministry He already knew would look unsuccessful from the outside.

Jeremiah preached for 40 years with almost zero visible fruit.

Ezekiel taught for years with people who “hear your words but will not do them” (Ezek. 33:32).

Paul said:

Meaning:

✔ You control obedience
✔ You do not control outcomes

This is not failure.
It’s the normal biblical pattern.

⭐ 2. Teaching truth does not automatically change hearts

Even Jesus said:

If Jesus Himself was ignored, misunderstood, or rejected…

…it is guaranteed to happen to you.

You can speak the truth perfectly, but:

people may not be ready

hearts may be resistant

minds may be closed

the Spirit may not be moving in them yet

That does not mean your work is pointless.

⭐ 3. Ministry often feels like nothing is happening while everything is happening

Think of this:

A seed underground looks dead for a long time.

But growth is real even when invisible.

Jesus compared teaching to:

Meaning:

You are not supposed to see the results immediately.

God does hidden work.

⭐ 4. Sometimes the work is actually for YOU, not the listener

When you teach Scripture, God is shaping:

your patience

your humility

your endurance

your understanding

your heart

Teaching others is one of the fastest ways God deepens your own faith.

It may feel like “they’re not growing,”
but God is growing you.

⭐ 5. Your obedience is success — not the outcome

Biblical success = faithfulness, not results.

God measures:

✔ obedience
✔ faithfulness
✔ truth
✔ endurance

Not numbers, reactions, applause, or visible impact.

⭐ 6. You may be sowing for a harvest you will never see

Jesus told His disciples:

Meaning:

Some people plant seeds they will never witness grow.

Some people water seeds they didn’t plant.

Some harvest seeds others sowed.

Your work may bloom long after you're gone.

⭐ 7. Spiritual warfare resists the teaching of truth

Whenever Scripture is taught:

the enemy distracts

blinds minds

stirs confusion

creates discouragement

Paul says:

The discouragement you feel is part of the battle.

It means your teaching matters more than you realize.

⭐ 8. God might be redirecting you, not abandoning you

Sometimes your effort in one area is preparation for a different calling.

Many biblical figures served in long, difficult, “unfruitful” seasons before God opened a new door.

This doesn’t mean you failed.
It means God is moving you.

⭐ FINAL ENCOURAGEMENT

You’re not failing.
You’re not wasting your time.
You’re not unseen.

God sees:

your effort

your obedience

your desire for truth

your willingness to speak

your frustration

your fatigue

your heart

And He is not silent about it.

You may not see the impact now.
But God promises: everything done in truth WILL bear fruit — even if the fruit grows in ways you never expected.

The Bible actually teaches a rich, multi-layered system of rewards for Christians in the age to come — not just “going to heaven.”
Here is the complete biblical picture, organized clearly and without adding traditions not found in Scripture.

⭐ 1. Eternal Life (immortality, resurrection body)
This is the foundational gift.

Key verses

John 3:16 – whoever believes has eternal life

1 Cor 15:52–54 – immortality at the resurrection

Phil 3:21 – glorified bodies like Christ’s

John 11:25 – “whoever believes in Me will live even if he dies”

Meaning
✔ No sickness
✔ No pain
✔ No aging
✔ No death
✔ Perfect physical and spiritual existence

This is the baseline reward for all believers.

⭐ 2. Seeing God face to face
The greatest reward in Scripture.

Key verse

Revelation 22:4 – “They shall see His face.”

This is the fulfillment of every promise of intimacy with God.

⭐ 3. Fullness of joy and eternal pleasure
Key verse

Psalm 16:11 – “In Your presence there is fullness of joy; at Your right hand are pleasures forevermore.”

Heaven is not boring — it is joy beyond anything imaginable.

⭐ 4. Inheritance of the New Creation
Believers inherit everything God will make new.

Key verses

Romans 8:17 – “Heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ.”

Revelation 21:7 – “He who overcomes shall inherit all things.”

This means:

✔ the New Earth
✔ the New Heavens
✔ the New Jerusalem
✔ everything Christ rules, believers share in

⭐ 5. Ruling with Christ (levels of authority)
There are differences in rewards.
Some believers will be given authority based on faithfulness.

Key verses

2 Tim 2:12 – “We shall reign with Him.”

Revelation 5:10 – “They shall reign on the earth.”

Luke 19:17–19 – Jesus gives authority “over 5 or 10 cities.”

Meaning:

✔ Your faithfulness in this life determines your responsibilities in the next
✔ Some believers will have greater ruling roles

This is not salvation — it is reward.

⭐ 6. Crowns (symbolic rewards of honor)
The NT describes several “crowns,” which represent honor, status, responsibility, and recognition before God.

A. Crown of Life
For those who endure trials.
(James 1:12; Rev 2:10)

B. Crown of Righteousness
For those who long for Jesus’ appearing.
(2 Tim 4:8)

C. Crown of Glory
For faithful shepherds / teachers.
(1 Peter 5:4)

D. Incorruptible Crown
For mastering the flesh and living disciplined lives.
(1 Cor 9:25)

E. Crown of Rejoicing
Reward for bringing others to Christ.
(1 Thess 2:19)

These are marks of status and honor in the kingdom.

⭐ 7. Treasures in Heaven (eternal reputation and reward)
Jesus explicitly teaches that believers build treasure through works.

Key verses

Matthew 6:20 – store treasures in heaven

Matthew 19:21 – treasures follow obedience

1 Tim 6:18–19 – good works store up “a firm foundation”

Meaning:

✔ Everything done in Christ’s name echoes eternally
✔ Every sacrifice becomes treasure
✔ Every act of love is preserved

Nothing is wasted.

⭐ 8. Recognition from God Himself
This is one of the most powerful rewards.

Key verse

Matthew 25:21 – “Well done, good and faithful servant.”

This is direct approval from God.
The Creator of the universe praises your life.

There is no higher honor.

⭐ 9. Eternal rest and peace
This is not inactivity but total absence of fear, burden, and stress.

Key verses

Hebrews 4:9–11 – a Sabbath rest for the people of God

Revelation 14:13 – they rest from their labors

This is the end of:

✔ sin
✔ worry
✔ shame
✔ guilt
✔ fear
✔ spiritual warfare

⭐ 10. Unity with all believers forever
Every fracture, conflict, and separation healed.

Key verse

Revelation 7:9–10 – a great multitude from every nation in perfect worship.

⭐ 11. Being made fully like Christ
Your character will be perfect.

Key verses

1 John 3:2 – “We shall be like Him.”

Romans 8:29 – conformed to the image of Christ.

This means:

✔ perfect love
✔ perfect joy
✔ perfect holiness
✔ perfect wisdom

⭐ 12. A permanent, unshakeable place in God’s family
Not just forgiven — adopted.

Key verses

Revelation 21:7 – “I will be his God, and he will be My son.”

Galatians 4:7 – no longer a slave, but a son and heir.

This is the deepest relational reward.

Thanks for sharing. There is one piece of valuable information you missed from your list. Without It, all of this really is pointless.
Be blessed.

His Holy Spirit
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

johnnypapa · 2025-12-10T06:29:16-0600

Advent is often described simply as the season leading to Christmas—a time of wreaths, candles, carols, and preparation for the celebration of the Nativity. Yet the Church teaches that Advent is far richer than a countdown to a historical event.

The Two Advents—and the Third - Catholic Exchange

Advent unveils Christ’s first, final, and daily comings, urging self-examination, hope, and a deeper openness to His quiet work in the soul.

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johnnypapa · 2025-12-10T06:26:15-0600

From Scott Hahn on Facebook...A remarkable YouTube video detailing the recent discovery of a 6th century Byzantine Church in the newly excavated ruins of Bethsaida (el-Araj) the Galilean hometown of Sts. Peter, Andrew, and Phillip (John 1:44). The video does a good job explaining the significance of a Greek inscription uncovered on the Church’s mosaic tile floor, identifying St. Peter as “chief of the apostles” and “keeper of the keys of the kingdom of heaven” (Mt. 16:19). The narrator traces Jesus’ statement to Peter back to the dynastic symbolism of “the key of the house of David “in Isaiah 22:22. Don’t miss this!

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Larniavc · 2025-12-10T06:17:02-0600

I think it’s more likely paradolia.

stevevw · 2025-12-10T06:16:26-0600

Hans Blaster said:
A bit more from the earlier post...

[A reminder: The text that this post of yours responds to was about Egypt being an urban agricultural society.]

The text you are responding to absolutely was about just the Egyptians. Why is it when we try to get specific you slip right out and alter the premise to suit your own preferences. Sigh.

No it was you who changed the goal posts. I was talking about the Mind/body aspect in relation to transcedent knowledge and you interject agriculture which has nothing to do with this.

You were trying to claim somehow that agricultural knowledge equals or negates transcedent knowledge.

Hans Blaster said:
Based on what evidence? (Subject is EGYPT.) I'm sick of your random assertions.

This is the whole point I have been making. You obviously don't believe in transcedent beliefs or knowledge fullstop. So your rejecting this based on your belief. When you ask for evidence you are demanding that the very material method that discounts transcedent knowledge be the only method we should use epistemically. Thats not science. Show me the science that says we must use your method of evidence to prove or disprove transcedent knowledge.

You can't because the method dismisses that epistemics in the first place. But that is not justified scientifically.

As I said there are ways we can know the world and reality besides material sciences. These are the direct conscious experiences whether through phenomenal belief or direct transcedent experiences.

This kind of evidence comes direct from the experiencer. So we look at the ancients and their stories and their culture and beliefs. We look at all this aspect of humans under the heading of religion or belief in transcedent spirits. Whatever you want to call it.

The difference is that skeptics, material science and atheists disregard this as make believe and unreal. Whereas the ancients themselves and many others like those who are open to transcedent ideas see this as evidence.

Now if you disagree then thats a matter of belief because no amount of material science can say one thing about whether its truth or not.

That does not mean its not real and in fact those who believe in this alternative way of seeing and measuring the world claim you have got it back the front. It is material science that is the deluded ones and the transcedent reality is the real stuff lol. And theres not a thing you can do about it.

Hans Blaster said:
I literally just told you that Egypt was an agriculture and urban culture. How is agriculture and cities "immersed in nature"?

Its a logical fallacy. Having agriculture does not mean the ancients were not immersed in nature and gained deeper knowledge. Your making an either/or fallacy that either the entire culture is either an agricultural society and has no transcedent beliefs and knowledge. Or vice versa.

I told you that knowledge does not work this way. It may be that only a certain section of that culture possessed that knowledge or that both forms of knowledge were at play at the same time.

We have two different forms of knowledge. Two different paradigms or more at play over time and at the same time sometimes. This is part of the problem. Every time I propose alternative and transcedent knowledge you then bring it back to your material belief about what knowledge is. Thats an epistemic belief and not science itself.

Hans Blaster said:
In what way? Did the Egyptians spend their days hunting on the savanna for meat and hides to sew into simple clothing?

If I knew that I would be famous lol. Some are trying to understand this knowledge such as the tests done on the pyramids and casting of stones and have learn some new tech as a result.

But how can you know if its within a completely different paradigm. Except that the end result is out of place for that time and more advanced.

I look at it this way. Lets say conscieness beyond brain is real. Some scientists say consciousness acts a lot like the quantum physics observations being indeterminant. Anyway that doesn't matter as its a hypothetical.

But if it were the case and as we have acknowledged today that these aspects are within a different realm of knowing such as material science cannot tell us about the experience of the color Red or a sunset or the awe of the night sky that brings transcedent knowledge

Then what would you even look for that was physical to measure. You cannot measure an experience or a conscious state that may bring knowledge in the first place to know.

Thats because its a state of being in that moment and experiencing the phenomena and then the knowledge comes from this. Like the Red experience. It was not until Mary could see colors and then experience Red that gave her the new knowledge of the world with that Red experience.

So if there is other knowledge that comes from direct experiences of nature then how can we measure this. If we cannot measure Marys experience of that knowledge except ask her directly. How on earth could we even measure this kind of knowledge unless we ask the ancients directly.

Hans Blaster said:
Indeed your response is nothing but speculation. On the other hand the nature of Egyptian agriculture is well established.

Yes and that comes under a different paradigm from material sciences. I guarentee that the ancients have a different version of what agricultural knowledge means and represents and how they come to know this which is based on a transcedent belief about their immersion in nature.

The use of the seasons, the sun, moon and stars, the movement of nature, the tiny aspects that we miss by dismissing experiences that gives them a deeper knowledge. Because they transcended the surface and material view of agriculture in the material science sense. They had a holistic understanding including the spiritual.

Hans Blaster said:
What has that got to do with Egyptian urban and agricultural society?

I explained this above. Go and ask the ancients themselves. Stop forcing your belief about what agriculture means and represents in the transcedent sense for others who hold this alternative knowledge.

Don't you believe the ancients themseves or do you want to force your belief onto them.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-10T06:02:29-0600

Jeremiah 4 was a prophecy about the Babylonians taking Israel captive, and destroying Jerusalem 587 BC. Ask chat gpt for the details.

johnnypapa · 2025-12-10T05:57:58-0600

12/10/25 Day 7

O St. Lucy, whose name proclaims the radiance of light, we approach you with humble confidence to seek your holy intercession. Obtain for us, through your prayers, that sacred illumination which guides our souls away from the shadows of sin and leads us toward the brightness of virtue.

Obtain for us also these petitions which we offer to you in this novena:

[Mention your petitions now]

We beseech you, St. Lucy, through your powerful advocacy before the throne of the Lamb, the protection of our eye sight, and for the grace to employ our eyes always in service of God’s glory and never for that which offends His divine majesty.

Help us to perceive with clarity the truths of our faith and the needs of our neighbor, that we may walk steadfastly in the light of Christ and labor earnestly for the salvation of souls.

Pray for us, St. Lucy, that having honored you as our advocate in this earthly pilgrimage, we may one day behold with you the eternal splendor of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ our Lord, in whose divine light all shadows flee away forever. Amen.

BobRyan · 2025-12-10T05:55:45-0600

Delvianna said:
It's still biased. You might not be getting Catholic Church, but I have twice. Which means, whatever answers you're getting isn't proof of anything.

try this explicit request where I deal with the fact that "explicit rules" for defining a denominations teaching did not translate in AI-speak to "Using *only* the explicit, official, and published statements of Christian denominations themselves"

Using *only* the explicit, official, and published statements of Christian denominations themselves, identify the largest Trinitarian Christian denominations that claim (1) scripture is sufficient to test all doctrine with no extra-biblical document necessary for testing doctrine, (2) possess a single global administrative authority, (3) maintain one unified set of binding official doctrines for all members, and (4) contain no doctrinally autonomous subgroups within their membership.

MarkRohfrietsch · 2025-12-10T05:53:15-0600

RDKirk said:
How so?

Sacraments are about what God does for us, not what we do for God. I agree that bread and wine must be use, as well as the words of our Lord is the minimum, our Lord's body is distributed and eaten; the blood of our Lord, likewise. Scripture does not define exactly how we should achieve this.

Regarding the bread, wine, and the Verba Domini; we are not allowed to act like unruly children and do otherwise.

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⭐ 1. Obeying God does not guarantee visible results

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⭐ 3. Ministry often feels like nothing is happening while everything is happening

⭐ 4. Sometimes the work is actually for YOU, not the listener

⭐ 5. Your obedience is success — not the outcome

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Key verse

⭐ 4. Inheritance of the New Creation

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Key verses

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A. Crown of Life

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