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Marjorie Taylor Greene announces resignation after Trump spat

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., said Friday night she would resign from Congress in early January. The announcement followed a public breakdown in her relationship with President Donald Trump over issues including the release of Jeffrey Epstein-related files.

In a statement posted to X, Greene said her final day as representative of Georgia’s 14th District will be Jan. 5, 2026, citing Trump’s alleged recent attacks on her as a key reason for her decision.

Trump had called Greene a “traitor” and a “lunatic” after she supported a bill requiring the Department of Justice to disclose its Epstein investigation records, The Christian Post reported earlier this week.

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I'm glad to see Greene leaving Congress and glad she finally realized how dangerous Trump is.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Granite is the "prestige stone" for the tomb. We've had endless discussions about how hard it is to cut and shape granite. Did you forget those?
In other words your saying the only reason they used granite was because it was hard to work with and more precious. Thus only for the King and Queens chamber and some shafts.
An you skipped right over the two most important words I wrote on granite: "random orientation". If you fill the trunk of your electric car with fresh, unpackaged AA batteries will it make it go? Why not?
Sorry as we have been talking about two different issues relating to orientation (orientation of stones magnetic moments and the resonating oscillations in crystals in granite I think. Is that correct. Just making sure.

Unpacked AA batteries won't make the electric car go. For one they are unpacked and two they are the wrong batteries,
Don't assume things. That's bad methodology. Plus you are now correlating the piezoelectric properties of crystals in quartz with some other property of the whole pyramid.
Why is that wrong. If research shows some effect for the pyramid itself as far as its location and shape on a global scale. Then shows some potential effects from the specific shape and material of the interior.

Then why not assume there may be more to discover that may support there being some purposely created situation that was creating the effects. It seems a reasonable assumption if your open to that possibility. But not if your not.
Giza was close to the capital of Memphis, on a branch of the Nile, and had convenient access to stone materials.
Thanks for the geography lesson.
I have heard many a scientist say something silly. Sometimes when I am in the room.
Hum, have they ever heard yourself say something silly.
You changed my meaning by leaving out the "almost" before "certainly is not". That is dishonest Steve. There is a reason we use qualifying terms like "almost".
Ok fair enough, and not intentional. I will peg it back to "almost certainly is not". What does that even mean. 30 minutes to midnight or 3 seconds lol. Its still an extreme claim which demands extreme evidence.

What do you say to others including scientists that disagree. Is this a case of how one sees the evidence.
But, to answer you question, there is no evidence that the Egyptians or any pre-modern people had the technologies that you imply.
But is this not exactly what I just mentioned above. Thats its really a case of how one sees the evidence and is open to all possibilities. Rather than restricting things to the orthodoxy or assumed narrative because its the assumed narrative. Your actually doing the same.

Once again what do you say to those who disagree and say there is evidence and then show people and they dismiss it without evidence themselves. What if people disagree that you have shown evidence that they are wrong in the first place. What then. I guess thats when the name calling starts.
The left no records of knowledge of EM waves or anything of the sort. You are dwelling in the Hancock ancient technology cult, whether you realize it or not.
No I am doing my own investigation. If I was a Podcast like Hancock then it would be the most self defeating podcast to exist and won't last long on the air lol. When do you see any podcast supporting an idea only invite skeptics lol.

As for records being left. This is a silly arguement as there is no evidence left for a lot of what the Egyptians done. As far as instructions or reliefs showing how the pyramid was built or the blocks were cut and pounded there is nothing.

But I think there is some evidence if we look. Like the "Dendera light". This is a good example of the orthodoxy which claims its some sort of religious symbol and others who see it as some sort of ancient tech. Theres lots of little hints that point to some sort of experimentation or process going on besides religion or decorations.
it's called "inspiration", Steve. Inspirations need not contain the thing they inspire, lest we think beautiful women contain songs and poems.
Ah this is a good example of the different kinds of knowledge. Inspiration itself is not from a material process. It is something beyond that allows us to be inspired about something. But its more than that. Whatever inspires also comes from something beyond. Otherwise it could not inspire.

Beautiful women and things inspire beautiful songs because of the knowledge and experience of beauty itself. Which cannot be known by material science.
The architects of the pyramids built a large stack of stone in a shape that was pleasing to the eye, grandiose in scale, and stable. (Though their greatest achievements were, as is often the case with grand projects, in logistics, not design.)
Thats one way of looking at it. Mechanical rather than organic or spiritual.
I refer you to @sjastro 's posts on the limestone blocks. (And we know how to make tight joins with simple tools. It is done all over the world.)
So your saying that they pounded, chiseled and ground ect the shaping and very find joins.

Now I know if I disagree and start going over the signatures which obviously show that something beyond this orthodox method was involved. Rather I think this time I will turn it around and ask for evidence for the orthodox method. Explain the signatures with orthodox methods and the evidence that supports this.
You confuse "not the fantasy sold to you by Hancock acolytes"
I actually have not watched Hancocks stuff apart from a segment. Like I said I am not into aliens or Atlantis ect. Lets say I am equivelant to the average believer in some form of alternative knowledge that may seem advanced. As opposed to Hancock level believers who would be like Creationists or ID fanatics.

So I fall into a very wide ranging group which I would say would be the majority of people. If you count say religious belief and other new age ideas. Or like belief in the soul and afterlife. As though there is something beyond that we can know now but will continue after death.

This is a very common belief and its a matter of how open a person is to something beyond or an alternative way of knowing the world and reality. I mean even science is heading this way.
and not impressive. Quit claiming actual Egyptian accomplishments came from some other source and you won't get the reactions you get.
Quit assuming I am Hancock lol. Quit assuming everything said is Hancock, Hancock, Atlantis, aliens, Hancock, Atlantis ect. You have brought this in more than an conspiracy theorist. Your creating a conspiracy by continually injecting this into what I am saying. I have never mentioned Hancock or Atlantis or any conspiracy.
I don't know what this ramble is about, and I don't feel like scrolling up 6 pages to find out what you were responding to.

I do. You confuse the finger you have pointed at us with the three pointing back at you. It is you "ancient tech" bros who denigrate the capabilities of the ancients by recasting it as "lost technology" from a lost civilization.
I am simply applying the same logic and standards I am being subjected to. It is only fair. Do you think if there were even numbers on each side that this would make a difference.

What if I was on a thread that was the other way around. Where there were several 'believers' lol and one skeptic who thought it was all conspiracy. How would that pan out.

The reality is I think the majority of people would hold a similar belief to myself and be open to such alternative knowledge. So is this microcosom of a thread really a true representation of peoples beliefs. I wonder.

In some ways in the end the thread has really proved the OP. That its not just about science or the evidence. But how you see the evidence. What it represents and how it can be explained in certain terms.

Thats not science itself but philosophy. Epistemics about what counts as knowledge and how it is obtained.
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

What was the point of the video? Do you think they really needed to be reminded? Who was this really for? All the military members? The generals?, The enlisted men? This was a political stunt and you know it. They were trying to say Trump has given illegal orders.
Its psy ops.
The video is in reaction given events of concern expressed by not only the rank and file military, but commanders, and Military lawyers.
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Where Did the Romans Drive the Nails? And could the Shroud of Turin be wrong?

The Romans actually used several different types of crucifixion. One method was to drive the spikes through the wrists; the Greek word for "hands" used in the New Testament is the same Greek word for "wrists". Another method was to lash the arms to the horizontal crossbeam, and nail through the hands; there was no danger of the body ripping loose from the spikes and falling off the cross, because the weight was being supported by the lashed arms instead of the spikes through the palms. A third method was to place small boards or blocks over the hands and feet, and nail through them, into the hands and feet, and then into the crossbeams below. Another method (one that was not used with Jesus, as far as we know) was to drape the arms over the horizontal crossbeam, and either lash the arms, or nail them into the wood from the back side.

One small observation on the "wedge" which Jesus' feet were nailed to (as depicted in numerous crucifixion scenes): Jesus most likely had His feet placed one atop the other and nailed straight though both, either through the top of the arches, or through the side of the foot, straight into the upright of the cross, without any "wedge" placed there. In many crucifixions, however, a small board was strategically placed further up on the crossbeam, where it would strike the crucified victim approximately in the area of the kidneys. This board would be sharpened to the point where it had an edge on the side with contact to the victim's back. Crucifixion, remember, was a method of death where the victim literally suffocated---in the unnatural strictures placed on the chest and upper body, breathing normally became difficult; the victim had to push up with his feet to gasp for air, holding the position until exhaustion or pain made him relax his legs and slump back down on the cross. Eventually, weakness, trauma, and blood loss would sap the strength of the victim until he could no longer push himself up to breathe, and he smothered. The board placed at the small of the back was simply another little nasty device used by the Romans to increase the suffering of the victim---every time he pushed up to breathe, he was jamming his lower back against this sharpened plank behind him. Again, from what we know of Jesus' crucifixion, this method was not used for Him---but we do know that it was used on other people who suffered execution by crucifixion.
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Christian Hip-Hop’s Derek Minor Responds to Forrest Frank’s Concerns About Chart-Topping AI Artist

IMO they are both missing a critical part of the question.

The AI didn't just wake up (boot up) one morning and decide to write a Gospel song. Someone had to tell it to and had to tell it how the song was to sound, be crafted, etc..

Let me use another example. I paint a little. I'm not great, I honestly think I'm fairly horrible at it. But sometimes I paint something that someone likes. I also use AI to make images sometimes. I am a Christian.

I want an image of the Cross at sunrise.

I could break out my paints and canvas and paint a picture of the Cross at sunrise that matches the image I had in my head.
OR
I could devise a prompt including the details, mood, color scheme, perspective, background, foreground, lighting, style, etc, that I want in the image and feed that into an AI and get an image of a Cross at sunrise that matches the image I had in my head.

Does using AI make the 2nd one in my example less "Christian art"? The concept for them both came from me, a Christian.

What both people in the article are missing is the person behind the AI persona "Solomon Ray". That person is Christopher Jermaine Townsend, who also goes by his stage name "Topher". Topher makes music on his own. He also has created an AI persona "Solomon Ray" he uses to make music.

Maybe the real question is Townsend / Topher a Christian who is making Christian music?

Edit - I forgot to include an article about Townsend being behind Solomon Ray..
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Gallup: Drop in U.S. Religiosity Among Largest in World

That is how Christian Nationalism is being used by the administration, but I believe that the motivation of the majority of Christian Nationalists is sincerely motivated by their faith.
It's not, their faith is generally nothing more than an identity flag for "us vs them" tribalistic sentiments. Especially considering most of them are dispensationalists which doesn't have the framework for dominionist theology, so even that is tacked on more for cultural reasons than spiritual or theological ones.
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‘God Has a File on Each One of Us’—Evangelist Franklin Graham Weighs in on the Epstein Files

Earlier this week, President Donald Trump signed into law the Epstein Files Transparency Act, which requires the Department of Justice (DOJ) to publicly release the so-called Epstein Files, a cache of documents related to late financier Jeffrey Epstein, who is believed to have run a child sex trafficking ring.

While Trump, who is named in some of the files, has referred to the scandalsurrounding the documents as a “Democrat hoax” and previously rejected the idea of releasing them, he has relhamented to political pressure, including some from members of his own political party.

House Speaker Mike Johnson, a devout Southern Baptist, has expressed disappointment that the Senate did not amend the bill to include greater restrictions on what would be released to the public.

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Graham's message is spot on but we should want all those who are part of Epstein's organization to be known.
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the myth of flat earth debunked again

Number 1 proof against a flat Earth: it is impossible on a clear day to see the Isle of Man or the east coast of Northern Ireland from North Wales. Literally impossible. If the Earth was flat, I should have no problem seeing either or both. But I can't.

Ergo: flat Earth is impossible.
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The Reality of Free Will

Deuteronomy 30:19
“I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse.
Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live.”
Joshua 24:15
“Choose this day whom you will serve.”
Do either present man's notion, "free will;" i.e., ability to make all moral choices, e.g., to choose to be sinless?
They do not.

Man's freedom of will is limited by his fallen nature.. .he cannot choose to be sinless.

"Free will," a human, not a Biblical notion, is the power to make all moral choices.
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DOGE wants to Make Aliens Great Again: Increase Visas to bring in Skilled Foreign Workers to Take Lucrative Jobs from Mediocre Americans

OK, but is this racist against Indians?

Conservative commentator Steven Crowder told Piers Morgan on Thursday that Indian immigrants were unlikely to take construction workers’ jobs because they were too “physically feeble” to perform manual labor.

"you’re very unlikely to have Indian H1-Bs in your construction company because they’re a physically feeble people."

“As far as immigrant groups, Indian Americans are among my least favorite,” he continued. “Just as far as the culture, as far as assimilation, as far as the leering, as far as full-grown men holding hands. I think it’s weird and it’s not really my jam.”

Remarking that “half their civilization lives in actual poop” as a fart sound effect played, Crowder argued, “India knows they’re not the best and the brightest"

Wow that's classy. So the country that gave us the Taj Mahal doesn't know how to build or do manual labor? Indians are doing much of the construction work in Israel then past few years since Palestinians are no longer available.
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Trump praises NYC Mayor-elect Mamdani after White House meeting

Mamdani's policies are amazing!

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There in lies the problem. The GOP was ready to run every political race in every state through "what about Mamdani".
Now they are upset of Trump for these optics. It won't last. Nothing lasts with Trump.
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Imitatio Christi - is the following Biblical?

Co-Sufferers (Imitatio Christi): Christians are called to participate in the suffering of Christ. Personal suffering is utilized as a means of purification (removing self-will and sin) and spiritual growth. By uniting one's own pain to the Passion, it ceases to be meaningless and becomes a source of grace for oneself and others.

Is this a Biblical understanding?
We understand that Christ suffered and died for our sins - the scourging, being nailed to the Cross, having His body pierced for our transgressions brought intense physical pain. I take none of that away, nor do I diminish its magnitude.

Other than that instance -

Was Jesus ever sick or in pain?

Isa 53: A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely He has borne our ]griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.​
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Cursed is the heart of this people

I am wondering if the culture is what is causing peoples heart to grow corrupt on the inside while trying to present a polished and virtious image on the outside.

I think the current culture is ideal for promoting external images and narratives about morals and how woke one is. Celebs virtue signalling and people on social media shaming those who may have said the wrong thing. Bringing condemnation and severe judgements and no forgiveness.

The media age is primed for creating pharisees of all persuasions lol.
There are people who, instead of getting an honest job and provide something of value, seek employment in government offices or the like where they get leverage over the common man, who has to follow the common law, while they themselves are protected by their peers. So they will use every tool of lies and slander to get their way, or if you offend them in the least, and there is no one that holds them accountable because they keep each others backs. But it feels good knowing they will get their due. I used to think God was kind of harsh in creating a hell, but not in this case.
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B flat B♭

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Look a globe earth is used in a satanic coexist sticker, wonder why, deception?

C – Crescent moon that represents Islam
O – Peace symbol or pagan/Wiccan pentacle.
E – Male/female symbol or a scientific equation.
X – Star of David that represents Judaism.
I – Pagan/Wiccan symbol (i.e. pentagram for the dot of the “i”)
S – Chinese yin-yang symbol (Taoism)
T – The cross used to represent Christianity.

Nonsense
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Chicago kicks off the Christmas season with 7 teenagers shot, cops injured, one man dead

'Tis the season....

After the city's annual lighting of the tree ceremony in Millennium Park in the Loop, 300 juveniles apparently went on a rampage, resulting in numerous gunshot wounds, and injured police officers. A nearby shooting resulted in one fatality.

So how's that stringent gun control policy workin' out for ya, Chicago? Crime stats down? No? Maybe you need more gun control. ^_^

Trump's Warrior Board

Trump administration to prioritize ‘patriotic Americans’ for federal jobs

Under the plan, all federal job vacancy announcements starting at the GS-5 pay grade or above will require short essay responses to questions about ... how they plan to advance Trump’s executive orders and policy priorities
Government employees asked a federal judge Wednesday to block the Trump administration from encouraging job applicants to demonstrate their loyalty to the president’s agenda.
In a lawsuit filed earlier this month, a group of federal labor unions argues that the White House’s “merit hiring plan” violates applicants’ First Amendment rights. The plan, put forth by the Office of Personnel Management, includes the following short essay question:
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DOGE NEWS

Inside the DOGE Succession Drama Elon Musk Left Behind

For months, the young engineers who had descended on the capital to shrink the federal bureaucracy had lived with the ever-present threat of backlash — public scrutiny, upset Cabinet officials, even the prospect that someone might assert criminal charges against them. But on the morning of June 5 something changed: Their figurehead, Elon Musk, had a falling-out with his patron, Donald Trump, that played out very publicly across the two men’s social media platforms.

As the sun fell on downtown Washington, the displaced dozen joined up with fellow DOGE staffers atop the nine-story GSA building, armed with beer, pretzels and La Croix, and prepared for something akin to a wake. Word spread in group chats on Signal, and by 9 p.m. the rooftop area was full of dozens of staffers, some of whom had already left DOGE.

Amid the group photos and toasts, a senior DOGE figure named Donald Park tried to reassure his colleagues that they were still “brothers in arms” and that Musk would continue to protect them, according to three people who attended the gathering. Other DOGE leaders were less sanguine. “Guys, seriously,” one warned, “get your own lawyer if you need it. Elon’s great, but you need to watch your own back.”

“The height of our power was the five-bullets email,” said a DOGE official, calling it a “mistake” that pitted DOGE against departments and agencies who were increasingly frustrated by Musk’s lack of communication and heavyhandedness. “Then it turned into fear and revulsion and hatred.”
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