A2SG said:

Care to provide examples of this? I've literally never heard that term used in connection with President Bush. Father or son. I've only ever heard "derangement syndrome" used in connection with Trump.

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That's because my recollection and knowledge of events is better than yours.

A2SG said:

Because Trump has gone far beyond the extremes of a sitting president. But all of the objections to and criticisms of Trump, even the hyperbolic ones, are based on actions he himself, has taken, or words he, himself, has said.

I'd say, in fact, that it's certain supporters of Trump who have become unconnected to reality. For example, those who continue to claim he's innocent of the crimes he was proven to have committed in a court of law.

-- A2SG, seems to me Trump supporters like that are truly the ones suffering from a "derangement syndrome"....

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The extreme level of wackadoodle against Trump is closely followed by the extreme level of wackadoodle against his supporters.

1Tonne said:

Actually, the context supports the interpretation. In Mark 9:48, Jesus quotes Isaiah 66:24, describing the wicked in a state of shame and ruin: “their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”
The “worm” is possessive, their worm, which implies it belongs to them. It is not literal maggots; it represents the person themselves in a state of ongoing contempt and humiliation. This is consistent with Psalm 22:6, where the psalmist says, “I am a worm and not a man,” expressing extreme shame and lowliness.
So the Bible’s own imagery shows that the “worm” represents the person in judgment, not something external or separate from them.

Yes, there are two births and two deaths, but that does not change the fact that the second death is not annihilation.
The first death ends the physical body, but the soul continues asleep in the grave (Eccl 9:5; Ps 146:4) until the resurrection (John 5:28–29; Daniel 12:2). The second death is spiritual and eternal, the conscious punishment of those who reject God.
It is called “death” to show its ruin and separation from God, not to indicate that the person ceases to exist. Just as the first death does not destroy the person, the second death does not either, it is a state of eternal conscious judgment, not extinction.

So, the choice to “choose life” is truly about eternal conscious life with God versus eternal conscious separation from God, not life versus nonexistence.

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No it doesn't. It says THEIR worm. ὅπου ὁ σκώληξ αὐτῶν οὐ τελευτᾷ καὶ τὸ πῦρ οὐ σβέννυται· Not a person but that person's worm. This is in contrast to Psalm 22 where he is calling himself a worm. וְאָנֹכִי תוֹלַעַת וְלֹא-אִישׁ; חֶרְפַּת אָדָם, וּבְזוּי עָם. When you die and are buried you are eaten by worms, nothing left but bones. That is what is being described here. You are completely taking it out of context and forcing it into your narrative! The first death ends the physical body. But the second death does not end the spiritual body? Eternal life vs...?

The Simpsons video was my own real contribution to this thread in a long time but I've been following this thread daily, and I have a few take aways:

Firstly: @sjastro and @Hans Blaster, you guys are either incredibly patient people or gluttons for punishment.

Secondly: can any of this even be considered an actual scientific conversation if there's so much non-scientific, unevidenced, 'just so' claims made by the OP that it gets to the point that we've gone from well evidenced works of stone masonry that are truly universal to such pointless and ridiculous claims as non-physical reality being the reason behind the Egyptians building the pyramids?

“We are going to defend our neighbors,” Walz said at a Tuesday fundraiser, according to the Center Square. “Instead of demonizing our Somali community, we’re going to do more to welcome more in.”

He always appears to know what is best for the rest of us.

samaus123456789 said:

Everything I said is right. Jesus was referencing 1 Enoch, and other standard OT texts. The Sadducees mess up a story from Tobit about the woman with 7/8 husbands. If you believe 1 Enoch is not inspired then it is not for you. These other books are only for the wise.

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But 1 Enoch is not a "standard OT text." And the fact that the Sadducees told Jesus a story which had similarities with one in Tobit doesn't mean that Tobit is part of God's word.

Akita Suggagaki said:

We often refer to fictional characters as if they were literal historical. Someone out if context could think we mean them that way.

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Hi
Did God have to say it was the truth all Gods word is the truth the creation account in Genesis should be applied starting with Noah everything God created before the flood was destroyed in the flood except for Noah and everything on the ark.
So it was a new beginning starting with Noah and everything on the ark everything else was destroyed in the flood.
So the creation account should be applied starting with Noah so the things in the creation account should be understood as symbolic take the forth day the sun is symbolic of Christ the light fo the world the moon the church the bride of Christ the stars the children of God maks absolutely no sense to say the sun was created on the forth day very little could survive without sunlight so when Noah stepped out of the ark the sun was shining it had to be so that everything could grow and thrive.

Love and peace
Dave

Jesus Christ our Lord rose from the dead, ascended and was glorified. But fully glorified? For Jesus is as in Isaiah 9:6. He is the father of time and should know the end from the beginning, but the bridegroom does not know the time of his wedding, but only his father according to Jewish traditions.

And about the prophets before us. Hebrews 11:40.

The verse says:

“God having provided something better for us, so that apart from us they should not be made perfect.”
— Hebrews 11:40

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Meaning:
The Old Testament prophets and faithful saints (“they”) will not receive their final perfection, glory, or completion without us — that is, without the whole people of God across all ages. The author of Hebrews is emphasizing that the consummation happens together, at the resurrection and final glorification.

Related idea​

Paul teaches a similar “together in glory” theme:

• 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17 – The dead in Christ rise first, then living believers join them together.
• Romans 8:17–23 – Glorification and redemption of the body happen for all God's children at once.

Perhaps Jesus full glorification will come with us altogether ? Prophets like Moses, Elijah and Ezekiel may be fully sanctified and partly glorified. As Jesus in Revelation, is crowned, with all glory, and honour and power... Revelation 1:5-6, 5:13, 7:12, but it does not say knowledge and that He again knows all and the end from the beginning, Isaiah 46:10. But even now His body is immortal and glorious and glory shines from His face with vast intensity. 2 Corinthians 4:6.

We may be awaiting the wedding feast of the Lamb for glorification, all together like a graduating class. And after us a new class starts.

Landon Caeli said:

Oh, you don't shift all your teachers... i think you're being intentionally obtuse. I don't really have time to repeat myself, others can see what I said, and form their own opinions. I have no reason to persuade you.

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The interested reader will of course draw their own conclusions, that is a given. But on the face of it your argument seems to be wrong, as the policy determining body shifts much faster than the teachers. So I would believe there is at least some unstated premises in your argument, if it is not flat-out wrong.

rjs330 said:

Yes we are American citizens and get to decide that.

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Irish Need Not Apply

A New Dawn said:

Why is it that people on the left didn’t bat an eye when Obama broke the law and spied on his political opponent, or when Biden unleashed the power of the federal government against his political opponent, but when those very same people are being held accountable for their crimes, all of the sudden Trump is the dictator with nefarious plans for the country when he did absolutely nothing similar to all that nonsense in his first term?

Projection at its highest.

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Irony rating: 10/10

I admit, this is not my favorite subject to write about, for it can be a confusing subject, for certain. So, I will try to make it simple to understand for all of us. The Jews of old were under the Old Covenant (The Law), and it was filled with all kinds of liturgical, ceremonial, sacrificial, purification, circumcision, dietary, and Sabbath laws that God’s people, the Jews, had to obey. But we who believe in Jesus Christ are not under that covenant.


This is speaking of Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, who is God, and who is our creator God (see John 1:1-36). He left his throne in heaven, came to the earth, and was born as a baby to a virgin woman, but conceived of the Holy Spirit and not of man, so he was not born with a sin nature as we are, and he never sinned. When he lived on the earth he was fully God and fully human. And at the age of 30 he began his earthly ministry, the primary part of which was sharing the message of the gospel of Christ.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

And so it is essential that we understand the message of the gospel taught by Jesus so that we comprehend this whole matter of The Law. For The Law is generally a reference to the Old Covenant God had with his people Israel, Jews only. But once Jesus was crucified on that cross to deliver us out of our slavery to sin, the Old Covenant was done away with, and the New Covenant came into being. But the New Covenant is not lawless, for under the New Covenant we still have to obey our Lord and his commandments.


So, there is The Law, which was the Old Covenant, which had all those liturgical and ceremonial laws the Jews had to follow. And there is the New Covenant God has with his people Israel (Jew and Gentile by faith in Jesus Christ) which did away with all the liturgical and ceremonial laws, but which still requires that we obey our Lord and his commands under the New Covenant. And what God requires of us under the New Covenant is mainly that we die with Christ to sin and we walk in obedience to his commands.

And his laws under the New Covenant have mainly to do with love, grace, morality, faithfulness, honesty, and doing what pleases God and what is righteous in the eyes of the Lord, and that which submits to Christ as Lord and surrenders to his will and purpose for our lives. It is more, perhaps, about our relationship with Christ as our husband, and our desire to love him by doing what he calls us to do as his followers. And it is not about religious practices which do nothing to change the human heart, mind, and soul.

But the situation the believers in Christ of that time period were being faced with was the Judaizers who were trying to convince the Christians that they had to be circumcised and that they had to hold to some of those ceremonial laws of the Old Covenant. And so Paul let them know plainly that the Israel of God is not those who are merely of Jewish descent, but they are those who are followers of Jesus Christ. And all who do not believe in Christ are not the children of God, so we don’t have to listen to what they say.


And what this is telling us (in vv. 21-31) is that physical Jerusalem is of Hagar, the slave woman, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem from above is our mother (allegorically speaking) who bears the children of promise, who are all who believe in Jesus Christ. So we are not to let ourselves be influenced by any Jew who is trying to push us to become more like Jews and to follow the Old Covenant liturgical laws. For all who do not believe in Jesus Christ are not the children of God; not his holy nation.

[Genesis 17:7-9; Genesis 18:19; John 8:18-19,38-47; Romans 2:28-29; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 9:4-8,25-28; Romans 11:1-36; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 3:16,26-29; Galatians 4:22-31; Ephesians 2:11-22; Ephesians 3:1-6; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-16; Hebrews 8:6-13;1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 2:22; Jude 1:5; Revelation 2:9; Revelation 3:9]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1

As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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GoldenBoy89 said:

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you don’t agree with this administration’s current approach to immigration and are just playing devil’s advocate here but I guess that answers that.

These people did everything right. Waited in line. Paid the money. They’ve been vetted and verified by the government and were about to take an oath to the country that no natural born citizen is even required to make. There’s no reason to cancel their applications at that moment other than targeted cruelty.

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No matter what date was chosen there would always be people who paid the money, were vetted and verified and about to take the oath. There has to be a cut off date. And as all cut off dates are, someone is going to get the short straw.

Immigration from these countries needs to stop.

Apple Sky said:

The Micro & the Macro.

New King James Version
The craftsman stretches out his rule, He marks one out with chalk; He fashions it with a plane, He marks it out with the compass, And makes it like the figure of a man, According to the beauty of a man, that it may remain in the house.

Creation - The Micro & The Macro

This is just a theory. I have very often asked myself, could we & the earth be the micro of God who is the macro. To understand this better here is a link. There are 75 Verses About The Womb In The Bible

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You have taken Isaiah 44:13 out of context. It isn't about God creating the earth, but about ungodly people making idols, as is seen when we do see the verse in its context:

“Who would form a god or mold an image That profits him nothing? Surely all his companions would be ashamed; And the workmen, they are mere men. Let them all be gathered together, Let them stand up; Yet they shall fear, They shall be ashamed together. The blacksmith with the tongs works one in the coals, Fashions it with hammers, And works it with the strength of his arms. Even so, he is hungry, and his strength fails; He drinks no water and is faint. The craftsman stretches out his rule, He marks one out with chalk; He fashions it with a plane, He marks it out with the compass, And makes it like the figure of a man, According to the beauty of a man, that it may remain in the house. He cuts down cedars for himself, And takes the cypress and the oak; He secures it for himself among the trees of the forest. He plants a pine, and the rain nourishes it. Then it shall be for a man to burn, For he will take some of it and warm himself; Yes, he kindles it and bakes bread; Indeed he makes a god and worships [it]; He makes it a carved image, and falls down to it. He burns half of it in the fire; With this half he eats meat; He roasts a roast, and is satisfied. He even warms himself and says, “Ah! I am warm, I have seen the fire.” And the rest of it he makes into a god, His carved image. He falls down before it and worships it, Prays to it and says, “Deliver me, for you are my god!”” (Isa 44:10-17 NKJV)

Aryeh Jay said:

What help could anyone do? Her carotid artery was cut, she was dead in less than a minute. What can anyone do, put a tourniqute on her neck?

You might want to find a different source to support the narrative you are trying to spin. Your source says people helped.

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I tell you her innocent blood cried out to God in terror as all of that unfolded. And the Democratic mayor's first words was that the killers mental state had to be taken in consideration.

Ilhan Omar speech proved to be mistranslated but outrage continues spread

Republicans, rightwing figures and foreign politicians have seized upon the video despite proof the lawmaker was misquoted

According to the Minnesota Reformer, a Minnesota-based news outlet, which worked with two independent Somali translators, Omar said: “We are people who know that they are Somali and Muslim”, not that she was “Somalians first” as the video suggested.


Omar’s speech accurately translates to the following:

“As Somali people, we are people who love each other. We might have some disagreements, but when things get real, we are people who have each other’s backs. We are brothers and sisters, courageous people, and people who know they are Somalis and Muslims, and support each other and their brethren.

When we heard the other day that some Somali people—or who claim to be Somalis—signed an agreement with Ethiopia, many people called me and said to me, ‘Ilhan, you should talk to the U.S. government. What’s the U.S. government going to do about this?

My answer was that the U.S. government would do what we ask it to do. We should have this kind of confidence in ourselves as Somalis. We live in this country, we are taxpayers. This is the country where one of your own is sitting in Congress. As long as I am in Congress, no one can take Somalia’s sea, and the U.S. government won’t support others to rob us. Don’t stress over it, Minnesotans.”

Yah, long barrels @MarkRohfrietsch . It was a busy day though not even cold. Cast some lee 405 and some 495 grain. I shot these on Tuesday and hit the 200 yd. target twice. It was just a matter of aiming high enough. About 34 inches, with black powder. I shot the t7 hoping it would drop less. But couldn’t connect. I remembered my drops and got another clue. 2 solid hits out of nine. Reloading tomorrow and going back soon.

truthuprootsevil said:

Yes, nuclear weaponry, even if the Lord speaks it to happen. Zachariah is giving an example of exactly what nuclear weaponry will do to a human, they will disintegrate, while they stand on their feet. The difference is with man's weaponry one has to be fairly close to ground zero. With the Lord there is no limit.

2 Peter 3:10 But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare. 2 Peter 3:10 - The Day of the Lord

The King James version words are different: the heavens will pass away with a loud noise; the elements will MELT with fibrant heat and the earth ALSO and the works thereof be BURNED up.

All knowledge comes from the Lord doesn't the Bible tell us that? "" Man's knowledge of nuclear weaponry comes from God."" But that is rarely thought of.

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But there are other things that cause a person's body to disintegrate, like being burned in fire, or being put int a bath of acid. Saying that God uses nuclear weaponry seems to go beyond what Scripture says, and suggests that God first creates a nuclear bomb and then detonates it. I agree that there are similarities between the effects of a nuclear weapon and what happens at the Day of the Lord, but the latter is far worse, unless one knows the Saviour.

JAM2b said:

I don't attend church much anymore. Partly it is because I have to work on Sundays. But I also have lost patience for it. It's difficult for it to hold my attention.

I think part of it is because the sermons, while good, tend to stay at a very basic level. There is nothing new or deeper. I've also become annoyed and bored with the performative nature of the services.

As far as going for what you can give or serving, I've done that, too. It got me used up without getting refilled. It was also frustrating because there was no overall growth for the congregation. It was all just a regurgitation of the same sermons and formulaic worship service making a few look good and making the rest feel good.

I LOVE indepth Bible studies and prayer meetings. Sunday "services"? No thanks.

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I find the idea of "attending church" strange. In the bible, we find that a church(for example the church at Ephesus) is a local grouping of Christians. So as a member of a church, one is part of the church. And Christians take par in church services to worship God and study His word.

March 13

BPPLEE said:

ICE should take the following steps.
Eliminate quotas
Wear uniforms
Stop targeting sanctuary cities.
In fact, make sanctuary cities the only place where illegal immigrants aren't deported.
Then those cities can enjoy all the benefits that illegal immigrants bring, like lower crime and more tax revenue (supposedly)
The people seem to want them there so give the people what they want
If they have committed no other crimes I would even give them the option, be deported or relocated to a sanctuary city

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I could actually support this. Its a great idea. I think Congress should codify this. Then border patrol could focus on areas that don't want them.

Although I do see a problem though and that's the illegals won't stay there. A lot of these areas have suburbs that aren't sanctuary and the illegals will go there to live or work.

I watched a video today involving a contractor who said he loves the crackdown. He said illegals are starting to not go to work because of them. Which means he is able to do more work. He LOVES it. His fellow smaller contractors are really appreciating the fact that their businesses are in more demand. They are able to better provide for their families. Its something weve been saying. These illegals are taking American jobs.

Real Christian William Wilberforce before Karl Marx set the slaves free via petitions and elections. He worked with William Pitt... He part invented the RSPCA. I think they were somewhere behind free education and reforms in India on disposing of unwanted babies and burning of widows. And tried to handle pornography.

Wilberforce was part of the Clapham Sect, a Christian-social reform group whose legacy includes:

• Abolition of slavery in the empire
• Early welfare reforms
• Prison reform
• Education expansion
• The RSPCA
• Campaigns against prostitution and obscene materials
• Major missionary and humanitarian work abroad

In many ways, they pioneered social-activism movements later seen in both liberal and Christian ethics — long before Marxist political theory existed.

Wilberforce is author of, Real Christianity.

ThatRobGuy said:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/11/politics/indiana-senate-republicans-redistricting-trump

Indianapolis —
The Indiana Senate on Thursday voted down a plan to redraw the state’s congressional districts to produce two more GOP-friendly seats, rejecting President Donald Trump’s months-long campaign to pressure the Republican supermajority in the deep-red state to bend to his will.

The 31-19 vote saw 21 Republicans join 10 Democrats in voting down the proposed map that would have positioned the GOP, which currently holds seven of Indiana’s nine US House seats, for a sweep of all nine seats in next year’s midterm elections.


I wonder how much of this "Hoosier defiance" from the Indiana state GOP could be a little bit of payback for the way Trump treated (presumably) their former friend, and pretty popular GOP governor, Mike Pence.

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Like Mike Pence it seems Republicans in this state still have some integrity. This discussion reminds of the British historical experience of rotten boroughs or indeed the ways in which blacks were excluded from the ballot in Southern states by intimidation. There have always been attempts to manipulate democratic systems to secure favorable outcomes to the incumbents. But the USA is not a African Banana Republic - is it?

JosephZ said:

There's a lot of money to be made in the anti-Islam industry, and many ex-Muslims have discovered this. Anytime I see an ex-Muslim who

JosephZ said:

Have you been to any of these places in the US and Europe that you believe have been taken over by the Islamic community?

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frequently appears on right-wing platforms promoting their books or sharing horror stories, I question their sincerity and motivations.

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Yes that's obvious. So apparently as long as they tell their story and no one pays them, you'll believe it?

I suppose I would have to have gone to Dauchau to know what's happened? Maybe, I have to join the cartel to be able to know what happens there too?

So, we aren't allowed to listen to anyone that wrote a book about their experiences and we aren't allowed to accept anyone's information about what goes in anywhere unless we've visited it ourselves. Is that essentially it?

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And it lasted long after that.

wing2000 said:

Who gave you permission for shore leave in Venezuela?

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That's clearly main street USA.