Apple Sky said:

Either believe it or don't believe it, makes no difference to me.

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It's not about belief. It's about a rational explanation that fits the facts. Don't tell me to either believe it or don't when you are telling me irrational explanations which don't fit the facts. Your flat earth gurus are either lying or they have no clue what they are talking about.

You are on here making claims and I'm asking you to back up those claims with facts. You clearly can't and now you're trying to avoid facing that fact.

So I challenge you gain to please give me a rational explanation for where satellite tv signals come from if not from satellites in geostationary orbit over the earth. All you're doing is regurgitating what other flat earthers say and what they say is utter nonsense.

Desk trauma said:

The one where all the major economic and population centers are highlighted in blue?

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Those are already tilted to the Democrats. My point is there is little left for them to change.

eclipsenow said:

But properties do emerge?

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I suppose everything emerges, doesn't it? Put a slice of bread in a toaster, toast emerges. A baby emerges from the womb. Stars and galaxies emerge from nebulae. But just saying something is emergent doesn't tell us anything but that it emerged. The word lacks any explanatory power.

New research reveals which U.S. states are the most and least charitable during the Christmas season, a time often defined by generosity, approaches.

A study compiled by WalletHub and released on Monday ranked U.S. states from most charitable to least charitable, based on two categories: the amount of volunteering and service that residents of each state engage in, as well as the amount they donate to charity.

Factors that influenced a state’s score on volunteering and service included the volunteer rate, number of volunteer hours per capita, the share of the population that does favors for their neighbors, the amount of money that people would lend their neighbors in need, the share of the population that collects and distributes food, the share of the population that collects and distributes clothes, the share of the population that fundraises or sells items to raise money, and the share of the population that engages in general labor.

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Pray that Jesus Christ leads Christian pastor, priests, & all people in Christian ministries to Denounce the use of AI technology as a significant other, therapist, shrink, etc.:

The Barbarian said:

According to The Bulwark, Trump’s social media company quietly rolled out a new “AI-powered search tool” just weeks after he signed an executive order banning so-called “Woke AI” in the federal government. The irony? Trump’s own AI isn’t just “woke” — it’s wide awake.
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Did Trump’s tariffs cost Americans money? “Yes.”
Did he lie about the 2020 election being stolen? “Yes.”
Was January 6 Trump’s fault? “Yes.”
Has he ended any wars since returning to office? “None.”
Have grocery prices gone down? “Short answer: No.”

Trump's Truth Social AI chatbot keeps fact-checking him

The AI bot, built with a version of Perplexity, continued to correct the president's claims.

www.newsweek.com

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What a concept! Truth.

....now that the House coming back to work after their 60 day vacay, I'm sure the House Committee investigating Biden's Auto Pen will get right to work.

chevyontheriver said:

There is no great way to DO that, though I suspect the Soviets always had timely budgets. I do favor new parties to replace the train wrecks we have, but that’s up to voters who rather like their particular train wreck to oppose the opposite brand train wreck.

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Yes, it's a complex task....but somehow state governments manage to get annual budgets done.

It's madness to be shutting down the federal government anytime the minority party wants to make a political point.

"There have been 15 funding gaps since the Civiletti opinions, including the government shutdown that began on October 1, 2025. Since many of those funding gaps occurred for a brief time, or over a weekend, there was not widespread government disruption. Four of those funding gaps, however, lasted four or more business days and broadly impacted government operations. The longest of those four shutdowns lasted 34 full days, from December 22, 2018, to January 24, 2019."



....and this one will be 45 days.

...meanwhile, the world's largest aircraft carrier just entered U.S. Southern Command area of operations (Latin America) as announced yesterday: [...this after Trump ordered the carrier to abandon its tour in Europe and the Middle East]

The Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Group, led by the world’s largest aircraft carrier, USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78), entered the U.S. Southern Command area of responsibility (USSOUTHCOM AOR), Nov. 11.

The maritime forces’ arrival comes after Secretary of War Pete Hegseth directed the Carrier Strike Group to support the President’s directive to dismantle Transnational Criminal Organizations and counter narco-terrorism in defense of the Homeland.

“The enhanced U.S. force presence in the USSOUTHCOM AOR will bolster U.S. capacity to detect, monitor, and disrupt illicit actors and activities that compromise the safety and prosperity of the United States homeland and our security in the Western Hemisphere,” said Chief Pentagon Spokesperson Sean Parnell. “These forces will enhance and augment existing capabilities to disrupt narcotics trafficking and degrade and dismantle Transnational Criminal Organizations.”

You needed an aircraft carrier battle group to "detect, monitor and disrupt illicit actons"? What a gross misuse of our military assests....

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They don't see the sun "above" them

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They very much do see the sun above them, watching the 360 view of the TFE shows that clearly, I'm going off of the videos provided in this thread, not the top of my head. Clearly, very clearly the sun is above them the whole time.



Ok, here we go dear ones, these images are in response to hopefully much of whatever questions have been asked by anyone that I did not read just yet, please look over these images carefully and really think.






The question for thought is in the second picture.

The "flat earth" stance I subscribe to is biblical, so the earth is not a flat disk floating in "outer space" rather, the land is in water covered by a dome, outside of the dome is more water, more ocean, the ocean outside the dome is more violent, but we are not under it. The water is coming from the throne of God that is on top of the dome, it flows down and around the dome constantly filling and expanding the outside ocean.

In this case, given the 24 hour video, we see the path the sun takes, at first it is farther away from them, as it makes its way left and behind them, it is closer to them, as it goes around it goes back out a bit farther, but it stays visible to them the whole time, because of where they are in relation to its path. As I hope everyone can see, in this case a sincere flat earth depiction explains what is seen better than the globe model.

Dan1988 said:

"If we endure", who are the "we"? thank you (the elect of God)

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Yeah it’s the same “we” who can deny Christ genius.

And who are the saints? They are the faithful in Christ Jesus. They are all who, by genuine biblical faith in Jesus Christ, which comes from God, and which is gifted of God, and is persuaded of God, and which is not of our own doing, have been crucified with Christ in death to sin, and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but as servants of God and of his righteousness, in walks of obedience to our Lord’s commands, in holy living, by the grace of God, and in the power of God.

We are God’s holy people. And to be holy is to be separate (unlike, different) from the world and its sinful desires, because by faith in Jesus Christ we are being conformed of God to the likeness of character of Jesus Christ in all of who we are and speak and do, for the glory and praise of God. And this does not make us absolutely perfect in every respect, and it does not mean that we will never sin against God (1 John 2:1-2). But it means that we are no longer living in sin and in disobedience to our Lord and to his commands.

By the grace of God, and in the power of God, we are walking by faith in our Lord Jesus Christ in obedience to his commands, and we are no longer walking in sin. Sin is not our master. Now we may be tempted to sin, at times, so we need to resist the devil and flee temptation and draw near to God in full assurance of faith. And then we need to put on the Spiritual armor of God so that we can stand strong against the schemes of the devil whose goal it is to destroy us in any way that he can (Ephesians 6:10-20).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

So, this is an encouragement to all of us who are faithful to God in our walks of obedience to his commands, and who are not living in sinful rebellion against our Lord as our habit, our practice. We are to be those who love one another and who do good to one another, as God calls good. We are to show compassion to the hurting and to encourage the downtrodden and the lonely. And we are to help one another to grow to maturity in our walks of faith in obedience to our Lord, and to help one another to resist temptation to sin.

For that is part of what it means to be in Christ. All of us who believe in Jesus Christ, in truth, and in righteousness, are his ministers. We are to be ministers of the gospel of Christ to the people of the world, and to the worldly church, too. And we are to be those who speak the truth in love to one another so that none of us will be led astray by false doctrines taught by people in their cunning and craftiness and deceitful scheming, and by the deceitfulness of sin, and so we will all walk worthy of God and of his grace.

[Matthew 5:13-16; Matthew 28:18-20; John 4:31-38; John 13:13-17; John 14:12; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:14-18,42-47; Acts 26:18; Romans 10:14-15; Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians 12:1-31; 1 Corinthians 14:1-5; Galatians 6:1; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:1-16; Ephesians 5:11-21; Ephesians 6:10-20; Philippians 2:1-8; Colossians 3:12-16; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:13; Hebrews 10:23-25; James 5:19-20; 1 Peter 2:9,21; 1 John 2:6]

In Harmony

Based off Romans 12:9-21; 1 Peter 3:8-17
An Original Work / September 2, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Love each other truly.
Cling to what is good.
Hate all that is evil.
Never lack in zeal.
Serve the Lord with fervor.
Joyful in hope be;
Patient in affliction;
Praying faithfully.
Honor one another.
Live in harmony.

Share with all God’s people
Who are found in need.
Do not be conceited.
Sympathetic be.
Love, and show compassion
In humility.
Keep your tongue from evil.
Peaceful you must be.
Honor one another.
Live in harmony.

God sees who are righteous;
Listens to their prayers.
But He’s against evil –
Is His to avenge.
Do not fear what they fear.
Suffer patiently.
In your hearts, make Christ Lord.
Serve Him faithfully.
Honor one another.
Live in harmony.

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An Original Work / November 12, 2025
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Nithavela said:

Sounds like the government is going to sue itself and then settle with itself.

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There's already an obvious Constitutional violation, I haven't seen the wording but I believe it can only help them in pursuing the extent of the violation.

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A New Dawn said:

We can only hope.

This is treason in the highest and HRC and Obama should be in jail.

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If we end up with Trump as a forever president, as dictatorships go (though at his age "forever" is a stretch) don't worry you'll probably get your dream of imprisoning political opponents and dissident voices.

And all of us anti-Trump folk will get to live out our lives in concentration camps and reeducation centers.

Daddy Trump will make the "leftists" pay for exercising their constitutional guaranteed free speech. Because in Trump's America, dissent is the same thing as treason.

MAGA utopia at its finest.

@linux.poet

I know you were interested in hearing from Sabbath-keepers and how they keep it. There's not too many of us on here, but maybe @Freth @HIM might provide from their perspective how they keep it. This thread has slightly turned into something different, that Christians today can't keep the biblical Sabbath, but I do not believe that has been demonstrated and we can keep it the same way the New Testament Christians kept it, according to the commandment Luke23:56 how Jesus kept it, our Lord and Savior and Lord of the Sabbath Luke4:16 and the apostles did in the like manner of Jesus and just as He predicted- His house would be a house of prayer for all nations Isa56:6-7 and we see this clearly in the New Testament.

Acts 13:42 [n]So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God

That said I was hoping to touch on something, but if you feel its unrelated, please remove this post.

Before Jesus came to this earth this was what was prophesized He would do to His laws

Isa 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

So, the Lord was to come and make His law bigger, not end His law and not sure how this got so upside down.

גָּדַל gâdal, gaw-dal'; a primitive root; properly, to twist (compare H1434), i.e. to be (causatively make) large (in various senses, as in body, mind, estate or honor, also in pride):—advance, boast, bring up, exceed, excellent, be(-come, do, give, make, wax), great(-er, come to... estate, things), grow(up), increase, lift up, magnify(-ifical), be much set by, nourish (up), pass, promote, proudly (spoken), tower.

I believe Mat5:17 is referring to the fulfillment of this prophecy, because we see Jesus giving examples of this - making His laws larger, not smaller and the laws He is quoting from in the same passage reveals the law He is speaking of.

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

And He said He would fulfill the law by making it greater not smaller.

There is a law that not a jot or tittle can pass from- meaning not something as small as a dot of an i or cross of a t yet alone an entire commandment or two.

Mat5: 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled

Jesus just said He did not come to destroy the Law or the Prophets, meaning, the Prophets who predicted Jesus Second Coming is not to be destroyed, so until that time not all is fulfilled, heaven and earth are still here therefore, this law cannot be edited by man, not a dot of an i or cross of a t.

There are two main laws in Scriptures. The Ten Commandments, written by the Holy Spirit of Truth on stone, God numbered by design Deut4:13 (He knew man would tinker with them) they are under God's mercy seat Exo25:21 Exo20:6 and revealed in heaven Heb8:1-5 Rev15:5 Rev11:19 and the other laws that contained the ordinances, statues, other commandments and laws handwritten by Moses on paper. Deut 31:24-26 Just using common sense, if there is a Law that not a jot or tittle can pass from would that not be the law written by the Holy Spirit and is the Testimony of God Exo31:18 Deut4:13 or laws written on paper (as it fades) by a human-being. Thankfully, we do not need to guess, Jesus quotes from them directly but first said about this law...

Mat5:19 Whoever (everyone) therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

If we look at the next verse I do not believe least in heaven means one will be there....v20


Mat 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

Mat 5:27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Not only does Jesus not want us to break the literal commandments- He does not want our hearts to have these evil thoughts that lead to breaking these commandments. If our heart changes internally, our actions change. Its what the new covenant is all about- God's laws written in the heart, changing our heart, which changes our attitude and therefore changes our actions.

Obviously the laws Jesus came to magnify was the Ten Commandments- not a jot or tittle can pass from the law, don't break or teach others to break the least of these commandments, so would keep the Ten Commandments intact, (as if we can edit God) which of course includes the Sabbath commandment, just as God said. I believe why God said Remember- because He knew everyone would forget, even warned it would be changed not by Him Dan7:25. The Sabbath is all throughout the NT, never once are we told we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment. He magnified His law, which of course would include the 4th commandment so not only do we need physical rest from our works and labors on the seventh day Sabbath so we can keep the Sabbath day holy, we need spiritual rest in Christ and those who have entered His rest, also ceased from their works as God did on the seventh day. Heb4:4,10, why verse 9 literally translates into there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God.


While God gives us free will to make our choices only the Sabbath comes with the power of God- the only God who has the power to create heaven and earth Exo20:11 the God we are to worship Rev14:7 is by His own Testimony Exo31:18 which the entire Bible is about John5:39 only He can sanctify a day and only He can sanctify us, both connected to God's Sabbath Gen2:3 Exo20:11 Eze20:12, comes with the power of His blessings, Isa56:2 Exo20:11 without Him we can do nothing, but need Him for everything Mark2:28 Eze20:20. I would not want to trade this in for something that is a tradition of man. Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 that seems godliness, but denying the power 2Tim3:5

Homily Thursday, November 13 2025

32nd OT



Ws 7:22 – 8:1

"Wisdom is the reflection of eternal light, the spotless mirror of the power of God."



"Wisdom is the radiance" of God's Love and intelligence, it passes through all hearts and leaves joy and peace in its path.



Lk 17:20-25

Jesus says: "The coming of the kingdom of God cannot be observed."

This has the merit of being clear. We cannot observe the kingdom of God. Jesus tells us this in every possible way. All his messages lead to this reality. With earthly examples, we cannot touch God, the kingdom of God.



Each person must take a further step to enter the kingdom of God:



Realizing, accepting, and welcoming joy and peace within us means constantly returning to the Love of God and remaining in it.



Let us welcome God's life, love, joy, and peace within us. In this way, we are with God, who is always with us.



Let us observe and listen within ourselves; God is there.



Biblical texts: NAB-RE

Normand Thomas.

Doubting again.

If I am not willing to be crucified with Christ, I cannot be saved.

What perplexes me is that some people hear the gospel, immediately believe in a saving faith way, and go on their way rejoicing. Like the Ethiopian eunuch.

To me, being saved, living the Christian life and walking the Christian walk means being unbearably squashed. What is perplexing to me is that the NT talks about the “joy” of a believer.

There are paradoxes in the supernatural realm. One has to do with free will versus election. Apparently, these are two sides of the same supernatural coin. Both are true at the same time.

Another paradox is the concept of salvation in a moment versus the daily walk. As Delvianna said, faith is something to be done CONTINUALLY. To me, that means: mess up at any point and you are out the door of the kingdom. But the NT talks of conversion-in-a-moment and the security of the believer. It also says, those who persevere to the end will be saved.

Between my own unwillingness to be crucified and the paradoxes, I am blown away by the gospel.

keras said:

God will not save anyone who hates Jesus.

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keras, the Jews attitude toward Jesus is going to completely change. Also, do you know that modern day Jews (Judaism) consider Jesus a "failed messiah" ? They don't "hate" Jesus. They just don't believe that he is the messiah, nor do they believe in the gospel of salvation in Christ, nor do they believe that Jesus is the LORD their God.

keras said:

Scripturally impossible.
Jewish Israel is very well defended. Gog will attack an undefended people.

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The land of Israel, as a nation, was desolate until the Jews returned following WWII, Israel is not capable on its own to defend itself against the size of the Gog/Magog attacking force.

Look at Ezekiel 38. Does it say that Gog/Magog is going to attack a nation that formed following a solar flare event that destroyed it's previous population ?

essentialsaltes said:

Trump Says US ‘Lacks Talent' For Critical Jobs, Defends H-1B Visa For Foreign Workers

US President Donald Trump defended the H-1B visa programme, saying the United States “doesn’t have the talent" needed to fill critical jobs domestically. In an interview with Fox News, Donald Trump was asked if his administration planned to cut back on H-1B visas amid concerns that the programme depresses wages for American workers.

“I agree- but you also do have to bring in talent," Donald Trump said, rejecting the notion that the US already has enough skilled people.

When host Laura Ingraham countered, “We have plenty of talented people here," Donald Trump interjected, “No, you don’t, no you don’t … You don’t have certain talents, and people have to learn. You can’t take people off an unemployment line and say, ‘I’m going to put you into a factory where we’re going to make missiles.’"

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Now imagine if a Democratic politician had said the US lacks skilled workers and needs to import them.

Always manage to hit the talking points, no matter how unrelated.

fli said:

The New Testament begins when Jesus died. All that is said does not apply to the church. In Matthew 23:9 Jesus is speaking to the Israelis of His time on earth.

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I know that position is taught, but that's not legit.

Jesus advised us that man shall live by every Word of God. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

What this means is that elimination of the Word of God based on historical referenced time frames or to whom said words were spoken to isn't legitimate. There really are deeper meanings behind every Word that apply to everyone.

Some people are "led" down your dead end because they can't remedy such matters as law vs. grace, so they toss the law entirely aside.

No prophet, Apostle or Jesus did such things, nor should we.

fli said:

Exodus 4:22 Israel was set aside as His people, His bride, and His children. It was not until the NT that we discovered not all Israel was Israel.

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Jesus, Paul, John and Peter tell us quite clearly who was with Israel that was not Israel in scriptures such as Mark 4:15, Romans 11:8, 1 John 3:8 and many many others.

You do realize that we all engage the tempter or his own, internally?

fli said:

Not all people on earth are His children. After Jesus died only those who believe in Jesus and walk in the Spirit are His children.

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Jesus advised us that we ALL have One Father: Matt. 23:9

Some of the positions you are tossing out are clearly not orthodox in any way. Some minor and irrelevant side sect of some sort more than likely.

fli said:

When did I ever mention any recipes or incantations? Please show me just where I cited anything other than scripture to justify my conclusions. Since you have accused me of this, I do expect you to prove it.

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Already have and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't bury your responses to me at the bottom of your responses to other posters.

fli said:

I never said that Jesus was saved by His works. Jesus saved His body, the church, by His works.

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You just did it, again.

fli said:

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone. NKJV

Jesus suffered death, which He could have avoided as He never sinned. He suffered death so those who believed in Him did not suffer eternal death. Because He died in obedience to the Father's wish, God gave Him the right to save the world. He chose to save all who believed in Him (the redeemed, all true Israel) and also save those who showed Him and His brethren kindness (the white throne judgment). Two different groups.

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You only see people in your equations and then use that form of spiritual blindness to condemn other captives of the devils.

But then again it's not even you doing it, so there's that.

Pity, such sights.

The world is once again turning its eyes to the suffering and resilience of Ukraine. The war has devastated lives and landscapes, yet amid calls for peace from world leaders, another story is unfolding. Amid devastation, the church in Eastern Europe is proof that there is Gospel hope rising from the remnants of conflict and repression.

The rise and fall of the Soviet Union left lasting scars that continue to shape Eastern Europe. During Stalin’s reign of terror, known as the Great Terror from 1936 to 1938, believers of every faith faced execution, imprisonment, relentless violence and exile to the Gulags. Even for decades afterward, Christians were routinely discriminated against, harassed, denied education or employment and forbidden to gather publicly. State loyalty was presented as the new religion, and those who worshipped God met secretly in the shadows, becoming lifelines to the small pockets of believers. Others formed covert organizations, hidden from the eyes of neighbors and the secret police, keeping the Church alive.

Generations of religious repression reshaped entire nations across Eastern Europe, as governments enforced atheism and sought to eliminate any trace of organized religion. For millions, the wounds and stories from that destructive period remain fresh, even decades later.

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