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Apple Sky · 2025-12-05T05:16:04-0600

David Lamb said:
You have posted exactly the same thing before. Perhaps you could tell us where in God's word we are told that it is permissible to swim or sail in the sea.

Who mentioned the sea ?

stevevw · 2025-12-05T05:11:58-0600

From what I understand the early church was fairly insultaed from the world. From the Roman pagan politics and ideological beliefs within the public square.

So there was a pretty stark destinction that Paul and the congregations could refer to as to being a Christian. If people were being executed for their belief it was a pretty clear destinction and alien to the world.

Peter and Paul is writing to a number of churches the same message. Clement of Rome later did the same and writing as far away cities across the Roman Empire.

Ignatius of Antioch mentions around 110AD that where there is the Catholic church (universal church) there is Christ. The church fathers emphasise unity and Clement mentions that division was the beginning of sin and Christ was no longer in the church when dividied.

If we are transformed in our minds and hearts by Christ and His spirit lives in us then there is no way that people can be dividied and I think this is the key.

Today its easy to claim a Christian in words and the meaning of everything as been compromised. Even the truth itself in a postmodern society is rationalised into there being no single truth but many.

So I think as someone mentioned it is the actions more than the words. Living the words that united the minds and hearts. You cannot go wrong. If each is willing to lay down their life for Christ and others then they cannot be anything but of one mind and heart.

But where there is division I think this is bad fruit regardless of the cause. This is a red flag I think. I cannot understand how modern denominations can have fundemental differences in their beliefs. I believe is is a consequence of modern times and like everything else truth is relative.

But if the truth is so compromised to the point that its not to different from the world and becomes just one more identity group in a big pot of groups all fighting over truth. Then I think this is not good fruit and to be avoided.

I don't think Christs church is a religion though I think the Catholic and Orthodox are the closest. But a Christian within Christ church should be the same mind and spirit regardless of the church clubs we label religions and denominations.

Though I do think the church is one of the biggest deceptions satan uses to fool people away from God.

joechristianwarrior · 2025-12-05T05:02:29-0600

Delvianna said:
There's a ton of reasons and I don't think a particular answer is correct vs other possibilities. Meaning, not 1 answer is the "the" answer. I don't find it "hard" to talk about, I find it draining. When you get into politics, injustice or anything of that nature, people tend to lose their minds if you don't agree with their concept or beliefs. You can't just "agree to disagree", you end up getting labeled or told you're a "bigot" or "fascist" or "racist" or literally any name in the book. It's rare to have any healthy conversation or even debate on these topics before people can't control themselves and start attacking the person instead of the argument. That's why I say "draining" because it's not healthy, it just gets to be too much. And I'm painting this with a broad stroke brush because this isn't a worldly vs Christian instance, as the majority of self-professed Christians I've run across cannot control themselves either and go on the personal attack.

So in my view, the conversation is pointless when the outcome is a giant mess and I already know the world will never get fixed and will continue to get worse until Christ comes. I'd rather focus my efforts on stuff that matters in the long run, like scripture and God.

I can agree with what you're saying here, though only to the extent that we make the discussion *political*, rather than personal.

stevevw · 2025-12-05T04:56:11-0600

GoldenKingGaze said:
For century after century porneia in the new testament was translated as sexual immorality. But in the 20th century, romantic poetry and arts leaned towards porneia being love. Romatic love, unrequited love, love at first sight, free love. People moved by lust commit adultery and can't deny their feelings and falll in love with the other woman and leave the wife for the lover. There are stories true and fiction of men falling in love with their prostitute. A lover can be, or become first love. Ladies can be in love with their first love, lover for the rest of their life, despite getting married and having children with the second love.

Is it as simple as saying porneia is sexual immorality?

I remember there was this idea that having sex with someone was more intimate then was made out. It was impossible to have sex with someone without it meaning something more than just sexual gratification. Even if that meant someone had to pretend or deny that reality. By doing so this took something away from the persons soul.

I think over time sex has been reimaged. Or maybe its history repeating itself. It seems when we take the spiritual aspect out of the equation we naturally turn to the base naturalistic instincts. Sex is made more important than it is to compensate the lack of spiritual connection.

Or sex is spiritualised with pagan beliefs which seems a natural belief when humans move away from God. They create gods out of nature, Gods creation itself.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-12-05T04:43:55-0600

“So Jesus said to them again, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.’” (John 10:7-10 NASB1995)

A door is a gate or an entrance into something. It is a way into something or to somewhere. And in his life and death and resurrection, Jesus Christ provided the way to salvation from sin and eternal life with God. He is the way into relationship with God – Father, Son Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit. And he is the only way to forgiveness of sins and to victory over darkness. Even the faith to believe in him is gifted to us by God and is persuaded of God, and it is not of our own doing, not of the flesh of humankind.

And his sheep are all of us who have been crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but as servants of righteousness in walks of obedience to our Lord and to his commands, by God-gifted faith in our Lord Jesus (see Romans 6:1-23). For Jesus said that his sheep listen to him, i.e. they heed (follow) his voice, and he knows them, and they follow (obey) him. And he gives them eternal life, and they will never perish (see John 10:27-30).

All who came before Jesus, who could be classified by him as “thieves and robbers,” were false prophets and teachers who taught lies and who led many people astray. And he could have been referring to the Scribes and Pharisees and Sadducees, as well, i.e. to all the religious rulers and people of prominence and influence in the temple of God who were teaching the people lies and who did not practice what they preached to others, too. They claimed to be of God, but they did not believe in Jesus Christ, God the Son.

But anyone who enters the sheep fold through the door (Jesus Christ), they will be saved. But we can only enter through faith in Jesus Christ, which comes from God, which is gifted to us by God, and which is persuaded of God as to his righteousness and holiness and of our sinfulness and of our need to die with Christ to sin and to walk in obedience to our Lord’s commands in holy living, empowered by God. So this faith is not of our own doing, and so we don’t get to decide what that faith looks like. God does!

The thief who comes only to steal and kill and destroy is Satan, the devil, who is our arch enemy because he is the enemy of God. And all who are thieves and robbers are of the devil, because they serve his purposes and not the will of God. The goal of all of them is to keep us from believing in Jesus with God-persuaded faith in him, by which we die with Christ to sin and we now walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands. And many of them are disguised as pastors who are teaching lies to the people.

So, test everything you hear coming from the mouths of all who say they are of God and who claim that they are teaching the gospel of Christ and of our salvation. Test what they are teaching against the Scriptures taught in their appropriate biblical context, and compare Scripture with Scripture, for they should agree with one another if they are teaching on the subject of faith in Jesus Christ, forgiveness of sins, and eternal life with God. And many are those who are teaching lies by willfully teaching Scriptures out of context.

But Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

My Sheep

Based off John 10:1-30 NIV
An Original Work / June 24, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

My sheep hear me. They know me.
They listen to my voice and obey.
I call them and lead them.
They know my voice, so they follow me.
They will never follow strangers.
They will run away from them.
The voice of a stranger they know not;
They do not follow him.

So, I tell you the truth that
I am the gate, so you enter in.
Whoever does enter
Will find forgiveness and will be saved.
Nonetheless whoever enters
Not by the gate; other way,
He is the thief and a robber.
Listen not, the sheep to him.

Oh, I am the Good Shepherd,
Who laid his own life down for the sheep.
I know them. They know me.
They will live with me eternally.
The thief only comes to steal and
Kill and to destroy the church.
I have come to give you life that
You may have it to the full…

They know my voice, so they follow me.

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The Door of The Sheep
An Original Work / December 5, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

MarkRohfrietsch · 2025-12-05T04:42:21-0600

bbbbbbb said:
As I recall, the famed H. L. Mencken (who, curiously, lived in Baltimore) wrote a short story where he parodied the enthusiasm of popular religious revivalists of his day with a trainload of joyous Catholics promoting their faith. I wonder if the folks in the SDA would view the Catechism of the Catholic Church as pointing to the Bible.

Or Luther's small Catechism for that matter.

SarahsKnight · 2025-12-05T04:40:42-0600

SarahsKnight said:
Sir Dreyma, I don't really know if this fits your particular struggle that you've recently spoken on here, but, perhaps this can help with a little perspective

Forgive me - *ahem* - I meant to adress: Miss @Dreyma . :angel:

stevevw · 2025-12-05T04:29:25-0600

The Barbarian said:
Lots of that going on, with the extreme right.

And the Left. Its all a mess.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-05T04:25:16-0600

Strong in Him said:
So therefore nothing to do with a festival on the 25th.

REMEMBERING LOUIS DUCHESNE (1843-1922) – O Clarim EN

French priest and historian Louis Duchesne (1843-1917) proposed the influential "calculation hypothesis" for why Christmas is on December 25th, suggesting it wasn't just to replace pagan festivals.

Robban · 2025-12-05T04:18:12-0600

Landon Caeli said:
"The human brain isn’t a blank slate waiting to be written by experience, according to research that challenges the century-old Tabula Rasa theory. The study shows that neurons grown in laboratory dishes spontaneously organize into precise firing sequences that resemble those seen in developing mouse brains, suggesting our neural circuits arrive pre-configured with computational architecture long before we experience the world.

The question of whether brains are shaped primarily by nature or nurture has occupied philosophers and scientists since at least the 17th century, when John Locke proposed the mind as a “tabula rasa” or blank slate. Modern neuroscience has largely assumed that while basic brain structures are genetically determined, the precise firing patterns that encode information must be learned through experience.

This study provides direct evidence against that"

Brain Cells Come Pre-Programmed, Challenging Century-Old 'Blank Slate' Theory

Lab-grown brain cells fire in precise sequences without sensory input, showing the brain isn't a blank slate.

studyfinds.org

If not, who came upon the idea of "Brain washing?"

Dan1988 · 2025-12-05T04:11:17-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
This idea that the Sabbath is not supported in the NT, is not accurate. The Sabbath is quoted 55 times in the New Testament. Was kept after Jesus died, His covenant ratified on His death and the Sabbath was still kept after according to the commandment by His faithful followers that followed Him everywhere that Jesus never told changed

Luke23:56. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Because God keeps His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19. His disciples were the first to see Him after His death after keeping the Sabbath and He never told them once to stop keeping the Sabbath or told anyone not to, He would have had to tell them before because His covenant was ratified at His death and His death was once and for all Heb10:10 why Jesus again in His own words predicted His people of all nations to "hold fast His covenant" Isa56:6-7. Its a made up idea that is not in our Bibles, but was predicted Dan7:25 2Tim4:3-4

God said He wrote "His Laws" in the heart of the New Covenant believer Heb8:10 which included the 4th commandment- they went from written on tablets of stone (10 commandments) to written on tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3. Jesus Himself said it was LAWFUL to do good on the Sabbath Mat12:12 and one could still do evil on the Sabbath Mark3:4 (profane it Neh13:17 just as we were warned in the NT about being disobedient like those who came before us and why they could not enter their rest of the promise land Eze20:15-16 Heb4:6,11) Jesus Himself said the Sabbath would be kept after His death Mat24:20 why the apostles kept every Sabbath decades and decades later just as Jesus indicated Isa56:6-7

Act 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 18:4 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

and will be kept by "all flesh" His for saints eternity thus saith the Lord Isa66:22-23 -

Jesus said out of His own mouth the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 for everyone who loves His name, wants to join themselves to Him and serve Him Isa56:6. This idea that the 4th commandment, the one God said to Remember was forgotten in our Bibles in the NT against the will of God's spoken and written Testimony Exo31:18 and His promise Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 is not what our bibles say clearly.

None of Christ's disciples kept the Sabbath. The Lord Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, He ushered in the new covenant and much of the old covenant was made redundant.
We find the disciples observing the new Sabbath on Sunday instead of Saturday and the Lord Jesus accepted their worship on the new Sabbath.

Roman 14:5 "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind".

It's the same thing when it comes to dietary requirements, of the old covenant.
Matthew 15:11 "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man".

Jesus came to set us free from the law, so why do some insist on taking us back under the old covenant law keeping. Nobody has ever been able to keep the law anyway, God gave us the commandments to show us that nobody could keep any of them. They were meant to drive us to Jesus, instead of relying on our own ability to save ourselves.

Factotum · 2025-12-05T03:50:54-0600

Richard T said:
Here is a critical view of Alligator Alcatraz. Detainees at ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ facing ‘harrowing human right violations’, new report alleges.

Don't know what is true but I am pretty sure it might be hard to get a prisoner to a hospital if they needed it. I read some have been airlifted. I have to laugh at being able to handle just 115 MPH winds. So a low cat 3 can be handled by these tents? Hope I dont see that on the news.

As to the facility, it is subpar because of the lack of plumbing. All toilets are portable potties. To me that is unacceptable. I think American can do better especially at the price we are paying.

Alligator Alcatraz detention center are portable. Since the facility lacks permanent structures and plumbing, portable units are used for restrooms "and showers.

Details regarding the portable toilets:

Sewage Removal: The waste from these portable toilets must be collected and trucked off-site, which has led to logistical challenges.

Reported Issues: Detainees and former guards have reported that the portable toilets routinely back up, sometimes overflowing with fecal waste and contaminating the sleeping areas.

Conflicting Reports: The Florida Division of Emergency Management has denied reports of issues with the portable toilets, claiming that the facility is in good working order.

The estimated cost to house a detainee at the
Alligator Alcatraz immigration detention facility is approximately $245 per day"

Folks that is about 94k per year. Fl;orida's average is around 40k for their state prisoners. Here is a state by state breakdown of prison costs.

How much do states spend on housing prisoners? | USAFacts

States in the South spend the least per inmate and have some of the highest prison incarceration rates in the nation.

usafacts.org

Might they be intentionally perfecting a horrible plumbing concept, to be used as a deterrent itself?

romansroad · 2025-12-05T03:47:05-0600

Mari17 said:
I'm not sure that accurately reflects the character of God. I love the image of Him as the father of the prodigal son, running to meet him. Also, OCD tends to put too much weight on our feelings. Here is an article you might find helpful: Faith and Feelings: A Critical Issue for Religious OCD - Scrupulosity.com

That is a great article! Thank you!

Valletta · 2025-12-05T03:38:17-0600

Brian Cole Jr., the suspect who allegedly planted pipe bombs outside the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee on January 5, 2021, ran a bail fund that sued the Trump-led Department of Homeland Security in an attempt to free illegal aliens from custody.

NEW: Pipe Bomb Suspect Sued Trump DHS, Asked Biden DOJ To Address Racism

Brian Cole Jr., the suspect who allegedly planted pipe bombs outside the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee on January 5, 2021, ran a bail fund that sued the Trump-led Department of Homeland Security in an attempt to free illegal aliens from custody. Weeks...

trendingpoliticsnews.com

Trump's crackdown on violent criminals hurt his business.

Valletta · 2025-12-05T03:34:32-0600

“This case exemplifies how misleading and hateful rhetoric against federal law enforcement can and does result in violence,” First Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Essayli said in a statement. “Irresponsible rhetoric by politicians and activists have real-world consequences. It must stop.”

Los Angeles man arrested for throwing Molotov cocktails at security officers inside ICE building

"This case exemplifies how misleading and hateful rhetoric against federal law enforcement can and does result in violence," First Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Essayli said

justthenews.com

They know this and won't stop the name-calling and the violent language. It's pushes people who are mentally on the edge into serious crimes.

Factotum · 2025-12-05T03:22:40-0600

Perpetual Student said:
.. blame on Obama, Biden or Hillary Clinton...

Are you referring to 2016 in Afghanistan? Or 2012, When the Obama Biden Hillary DoD bombed the Shawal Valley and killed 10+ innocent civilian people?
I guess it's possible Trump DoD used that Act as a model or a concept to double-tap bombing narco terrorists.

Valletta · 2025-12-05T03:07:56-0600

Pommer said:
Why is it in society’s interest to have the government make it harder for all of the people to catch a few?

Joe Biden was elected, although with collusion by executive branch employees and social media, and created a judicial backlog of 1.5 million "asylum seekers," most of them unvetted. Why he, or the people behind him did it, was for more power and control. So yes, citizens are inconvenienced. I'm concerned that unless people are held accountable the same thing could happen again.

Larniavc · 2025-12-05T03:01:19-0600

“ICE hiring chaos laid bare as fat, illiterate and violent misfits 'not ready to tie their own laces' are recruited”

So police officer, then?

Larniavc · 2025-12-05T02:57:56-0600

Kjelete said:
Everyday, something new and mean stuff is coming from American online. For example that unemployed people drain the system. That's how I understand it from you. Now it's like your dream of a society where everyone works will never happen, a kind of utopia. The reason I'm writing is because my mother worked in a factory for 32 years or something, and got a medal, and my father has worked for about 30 years also in different places, woke up to the same alarm every day for 30 years, yet they are treated degradingly when we are out because they "just" go there.

Its fun to be mean perhaps, I never understand it, but americans have to kinda weirdos to put all this nonsense out there. I'm always treated well because I've sung so much, but I think it's a bit the opposite of what it should be, maybe then, I've learned a lot on my own, worked hard, but I think 30 years in a factory is tougher

Americans have been force fed a diet of ‘work hard and you too can be a billionaire’.

This stems from religious ideas that working hard is somehow a moral issue.

But what it does is create a working class whose benefits from work has been degraded over time (or just never improved to match their European cousins) to such a point that they now function in competition with their neighbours.

Consequently as long as you give an American someone to feel superior to you can get them to accept pretty much any awful working condition.

The upshot of that is a seething resentment of anyone they see as getting something they can’t get.

It’s all so that a few generationally wealthy individuals can siphon all the money out of circulation and into their coffers to act as a scoring system of ‘who’s the best’.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-05T02:50:10-0600

johansen said:
it may be just 2 passovers and jesus had a 1 year ministry. from passover to passover.
shortening it to 1 year helps us understand the disciples continuous confusion and lack of faith.

it takes about 3 years to get to really know someone in my experience.

I am confident in the NT dates just trying to figure out the Dan 9, 49, and 434 one.

The last chapter of Nehemiah ch 13 mentions the 32nd year of Artaxerxes (433 BC), and ch 2 is the 20th year (445 BC) so assuming all chapters in between those chapters are written between those times then the end of the 49 year cycle in Nehemiah 12 with the wall prayed over, and all the Levites coming back was before 433 BC, and adding 49 years back to that ends up back at 482 BC which is not even close to the 457 decree

30-483-1= 454 BC city is fully rebuilt, -49= 503BC some decree went out.
or 33-483-1 = 451 BC city is fully rebuilt-49= 500 BC some decree went out.

stevevw · 2025-12-05T02:21:33-0600

Belk said:
Wow. That is a whole lot of words to simply say you have no source.

No I just explained to you the evidence. It comes from the intelligence that has been gathered. That you dismiss this does not mean that there is no evidence.

The point being for all the moral protesting about a wrong being done the accusers also have no evidence. Yet they hypocritically complain about no evidence.

It is them who are jumping the gun and automatically looking for negatives and assuming the worse due to their own ideological beliefs in hating Trump.

If there was truely no evidence then people would not be making all these accusations and spreading false narratives like there is evidence and accusing people like Hegseth of stuff he has not done. The double standards are obvious. Its a common theme with all these narratives. They are always exposed as fake.

Thats why everything has to be explained in detail so that this shows the hypocracy. But then I could just keep things short and say anyone who is objecting has no moral justification and give no explanation.

I think thats what I will do from now on. Just dismiss it all as being disqualified due to having no moral ground to stand on.

Pommer · 2025-12-05T02:17:12-0600

essentialsaltes said:
President Donald Trump is still talking about his plan to give Americans a tariff dividend refund in 2026.

Trump discussed the potential checks in a two-hour-plus Cabinet meetingon Dec. 2, during which he also called the "affordability" issue a "Democrat scam," and appeared to nod off.

"Next year is projected to be the largest tax refund season ever, and we're going to be giving back refunds out of the tariffs, as we have taken in literally trillions of dollars," -- [this is literally not true] -- Trump said early in the meeting. "We're going to be giving a nice dividend to the people in addition to reducing debt."

The nonpartisan, not-for-profit The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Trump's tariffs will raise about $300 billion per year, while tariff dividends would cost about $600 billion per round

“Investing in the American people!”—TheSpin

Richard T · 2025-12-05T01:21:03-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
Trump isn't starting anything. This was is being forced upon us by Venezuela the same way Ukraine forced Russia to defend itself from naked aggression and an unhinged unpopular leader.

It is not a drug war that is for sure. Why? Because Venezuela is not the kingpin, it is more of a transit stop for drugs and a minor player compared to Mexico or Columbia. It is a cover story for getting regime change. Maduro is definitely a poor leader who also stole the election. I guess those are not good enough reasons? To me they are and I suppose I would support some military involvement as long as American leaders are not trying to game the nation with lucrative oil contracts and insider deals.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-05T00:55:28-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
You might be a bit too infatuated with your Minister if he's controlling your social choices.

And what exactly is the "TRUE GOSPEL" ?????????????????????? Which church do I have to go to to get that ???????????????????

Jesus also said to love your enemy as well. And I don't think He intended that to mean that all we need to do as Christians is simply flap our lips at people about avoiding Hell.

I think you've misunderstood my point.

My Minister, is appointed by the Lord, to teach me, to lead me and to watch over me, just as a Shepherd watches over his flock. The Lord raised him up and ordained him for this purpose, so I am obliged to submit myself to his authority because he is responsible to God for my soul.

Being a member of the Body of Christ, means that I'm a sheep and my Minister is the Shepherd. So I don't have the authority to challenge his teaching, so when He instructs me to have no fellowship with those who reject the gospel, then I must obey or, face disciplinarily action, including excommunication.

I can't tell you're not a leader of any kind yourself yourself, so you know what I mean.

There is only one true gospel and that is the gospel of the Lord Jesus, likewise there is only One true Church and that is the Body of the Lord Jesus. You can't find it because it's by election only, God draws His elect to His Son. He does this by quickening His elect to life (we are all born dead in sin), then He uses His men to preach the gospel to us and we respond by the faith that God gifted His elect with.

To understand what the Lord Jesus meant by saying "love your enemy", you first need to understand what the word "love" means. I'd suggest you do a bible study on what it means, but I'll just give you a brief overview here>>>

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 "Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things".

As you can see, love is not the sensual thing the world thinks it is. Gods people love ther enemies by living faithful lives and that preaches the gospel louder than words. So it's really about living the God given faith, and not simply "flapping our lips" as you rightly pointed out.

I still don't know what point you were trying to make, would you kindly stake your claim, in plain language. I'm not very good at solving riddles.

RileyG · 2025-12-05T00:53:32-0600

Nithavela said:
I'm sure some people gain weight easier than others, but in the end, you have to consume more calories than you burn. It's simple as that.

But people living in the USA don't have it easy maintaining their body weight, with all the added sugar, fast food offered around every corner and high caloric convenience food often being far more affordable (both in money and preparation time) than healthier alternatives.

I saw very few overweight people in Europe the three times I was there. I swear, most of the natives were in excellent shape, despite (from my limited experiences) all the eating and after dinner drinks I did when I visited.i wonder if that was considered a cultural norm? I don’t know.

Yeah, the United States definitely has something “in the water” as the old saying goes

you’re spot on!

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