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Kathleen30 · 2025-12-14T04:11:21-0600

Strong in Him said:
But she still quoted it.
She obviously went to the trouble of looking up how many astronauts were Freemasons and quoting/cutting and pasting the AI overview.
If she disagreed with something which she, herself, had chosen to post, then that could have been made clear as well.

If a person doesn't believe that any astronauts went to the moon, it's irrelevant whether they were Freemasons or not.
Charles Duke, and others, became Christians after they had been to the moon - @Apple Sky still thinks they were lying.

Freemasons can belong to any organisation or be found in any walk of life.
There are probably Christians among the 17,000+ people who work for NASA - it is not exclusively a Freemason organisation.

Maybe in that particular post. But in other posts, Apple Sky has repeatedly said that the astronauts who claimed to have gone to the moon were all Freemasons - implying that they can't be trusted. "Freemasons to the core" was one phrase I believe she used.

So, again, why quote an AI overview which specifically says that these astronauts who walked on the moon were Freemasons?
I don't believe the Loch ness monster exists, so why would I go to the effort of researching what it eats?
I don't believe the legend that Jesus visited England and went to Glastonbury, so why would I try to find out where he lived or what he did while he was here?
Do you see what I mean? If something didn't happen, details are irrelevant.

No, I didn't miss it.
It doesn't matter whether the words about the 6th man to walk on the moon were Apple Sky's own words or the words of AI - she quoted them.

She should have just said; "Freemasons or not; no one has ever walked on the moon".

No misunderstanding at all on my part - she looked for evidence of something that she doesn't believe happened.

If someone said to me, "and what were you wearing when you beat your husband?" I'm not going to wrack my brains to try to remember, or look on Facebook/Instagram to see if I can find evidence. I have never beaten my husband, so it's irrelevant, and a ridiculous question.

Strong in him you say she still quoted it . That’s right and she had every right to quote it in the perspective of what she was trying to explain . Apple makes it abundantly clear she is referring to the NASA - Masonic connection and in no ways says she agrees with astronauts landing on the moon . And you clearly know her position that being she believes no one has landed on the moon. And it begs the question why you have chosen to make a mountain out of mole hill.

You than say if a person doesn’t believe the astronauts never went to the moon. You say it’s irrelevant to whether they’re freemasons or not ? How does that make the philosophy or beliefs of masonry any less lethal. It doesn't. Your argument makes no sense . Apple certainly is not playing down the dangers of masonry just because they didn’t go to the moon . Far from it You than say masons can be found in any organisation or walk of life . Stronginhim that’s right and they still be just as lethal in their influence of those organisations too. You say some 17000 peoples work for nasa and they not be exclusively Freemasons. Stronginhim since when has freemasonry been exclusively Freemason when it comes to the entirety of the work force ? It hasn’t. They rely on their secrecy money and influence not numbers. What is your point ? I not follow your reasoning

Well its nice to know that maybe you might be wrong instead of demanding a apology like you and others have demanded in other posts. I don’t hear Sweet Apple demanding a apology from you all . Maybe that’s the difference between Law and Grace. Love ❤️ does not seek to accuse nor demand.

But as I read on. Yu say Yu didn’t miss anything and it doesn't matter whether it was a AI reference or personally written by Apple that claimed that man walked on moon . You Couldn’t More WRONG in what yu say. It makes the world of difference once you realise it’s AI overview references talking about the influence of masonry and mentioning the moon landings.also and you mistakenly or perhaps conveniently leave the sub heading AI OVERVIEW reference out of your post 2839 and than accuse Apple of contradicting herself about the moon landings of which she has never believed. AND YOU KNOW THAT .. but you want to go on with the accusation. That Apple agrees with the entire AI statement and therefore must apologise to you all when you fully know that Apple doesn't believe Astronauts landed on the moon.. her whole intention was merely to show the NASA - Masonic connection . Nothing more . Yet you continue to want to make a mountain out of Mole hill.

Bob Crowley · 2025-12-14T04:08:55-0600

Some more details have emerged.

Breaking: Ten people, including one shooter, dead after Bondi Beach attack

Ten people, including one shooter, have been killed in an attack at Sydney's Bondi Beach, NSW Police have confirmed.

www.abc.net.au

sjastro · 2025-12-14T04:01:58-0600

essentialsaltes said:
New Republican health plan suggestion: Drink bleach!

Senator Endorses Discredited Doctor’s Book on a Chemical He Claims Treats Everything From Autism to Cancer
Wisconsin's Ron Johnson has a history of spreading vaccine misinformation. Now he's giving credence to assertions about the therapeutic powers of chlorine dioxide, a disinfectant and deodorizer. “It is all lunacy," one expert said.

He’s promoted disproven treatments for COVID-19 and claimed, without evidence, that athletes are “dropping dead on the field” after getting the COVID-19 vaccination. Now the Wisconsin politician is endorsing a book by a discredited doctor promoting an unproven and dangerous treatment for autism and a host of ailments: chlorine dioxide, a chemical used for disinfecting and bleaching.

The book is “The War on Chlorine Dioxide: The Medicine that Could End Medicine”by Dr. Pierre Kory, a critical care specialist who practiced in Wisconsin hospitals before losing his medical certification for statements advocating using an antiparasite medication to treat COVID-19. The action, he’s said, makes him unemployable, even though he still has a license.

Kory’s book, set to be released to the public in January, argues that word of chlorine dioxide’s effectiveness has been suppressed by government and medical forces that need people to remain perpetually ill to generate large profits.

Johnson confirmed to ProPublica in an email that he authorized the statement on the cover. “After reading the entire book, yes I provided and approved that blurb,” he said.

Didn't your president with the IQ of a gnat suggest at one time injecting bleach was a possible cure for COVID?

Sir Joseph · 2025-12-14T03:54:40-0600

Dale said:
Many creationists firmly believe that the earth cannot be more 6,000 years old. I am not going to discuss the age of the universe but I will discuss the development of civilization on earth.

When was fire domesticated?

“ Here we present evidence of fire-making on a 400,000-year-old buried landsurface at Barnham (UK), where heated sediments and fire-cracked flint handaxes were found alongside two fragments of iron pyrite—a mineral used in later periods to strike sparks with flint.”

ttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09855-6

Fire led very quickly to cooking. The application of fire to metalworking was much slower.

On Copper:
“Its use was known in eastern Anatolia by 6500 BCE and it soon became widespread.”
That is 8,500 years ago.

Bronze Age | Definition, History, Inventions, Tools, & Facts | Britannica

When were dogs domesticated?

“Dogs were domesticated from their wolf ancestors over 15,000 years ago.”

The Evolution of Dogs, Accidental Best Friends
This is Ohio Wesleyan University

When were cats domesticated?

“Together the transport of cats to the island and the burial of the human with a cat indicate that people had a special, intentional relationship with cats nearly 10,000 years ago in the Middle East.”

The Evolution of House Cats

When were sheep domesticated?

“Now, research at an 11,000-year-old settlement in Turkey shows that some early farmers kept wild sheep penned up in the middle of their village—thus setting the stage for the dramatic changes that led to today's domesticated animals.”

A Brief History of Goat Domestication - The Livestock Conservancy

When were cattle domesticated?

“All cattle are descended from as few as 80 animals that were domesticated from wild ox in the Near East some 10,500 years ago, according to a new genetic study.”

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2012/mar...mall-herd-domesticated-around-10500-years-ago
This is University College, London, England

When were goats domesticated?

“Judging by early signs of domestication, such as bones from the slaughter of male young [goats], this started around 10,500 years ago in Anatolia (Turkey) and the Zagros Mountains (Iran)

A Brief History of Goat Domestication - The Livestock Conservancy

When was wheat cultivated?

“Cultivated for 10,000 years, wheat is one of the world’s most important plants.”

Wheat 101 | National Associate of Wheat Growers
This is the National Association of Wheat Growers

When was barley first cultivated?

“Remains of barley (Hordeum vulgare) grains found at archaeological sites in the Fertile Crescent indicate that about 10,000 years ago the crop was domesticated there from its wild relative Hordeum spontaneum.”

https://www.researchgate.net/public...mestication_History_of_Barley_Hordeum_vulgare

When was rice cultivated?

“...the earliest archaeological evidence [for cultivation of rice] comes from central and eastern China and dates to 7,000-5,000 BCE.

That would be between 9,000 and 7,000 years ago.

Rice | Description, History, Cultivation, & Uses | Britannica

Everything we know about the history of humans on earth contradicts the claim that the earth could be only 6,000 years old. The Bible is a source of moral and spiritual truth, but it is not a history text.

You've presented an interesting, diverse case against the Bible's historicity and authority - too much for anyone here to want to read actually. After glancing at 5 of the articles, I'll offer this response:

Your secular articles and sources are naturally going to oppose any Biblical world view of timelines.

The articles make a lot of date assumptions without actually supporting those assumptions with evidence.

Date evidence that is provided, such as DNA, is based upon debatable assumptions - unlike pottery dating.

Your statement that " Everything we know about the history of humans on earth contradicts the claim that the earth could be only 6,000 years old." is patently wrong. I've been reading books and articles and watching videos for 25 years that support a human history of 6-10,000 years. Perhaps everything YOU'VE read and learned negates a 6000 year old earth, but in no case does it represent everything WE KNOW. Everything I know suggests the exact opposite.

The truth is, each side can find abundant evidence to support their young versus old earth world view. Sources matter though, as does one's biased world view in interpreting the evidence.

Concerning your conclusion that "The Bible is a source of moral and spiritual truth, but it is not a history text." I understand that many people believe that, but know that Jesus, James, Peter, Paul, John and Jude didn't. Were they liars or wrong to reference the Genesis scriptures as real historical events? If so, then one would best dismiss whatever else they said or taught. In other words, if one rejects the historicity of Genesis, one rejects the credibility of Moses, Jesus, the apostles, the Bible, and the entire Christian faith.

Any serious Bible scholar knows through textual criticism that the Bible's inspired authors wrote what they beleived to be historical accounts or revealed knowledge from God. The fact that 40 authors in 3 continents, writing over a period of 1500 years, wrote thousands of specific names, places, and event details that we can now verify through archaeology, written records, fulfilled prophesies, and scientific insights demonstrates that the Bible's historical reliability and authority is as valid and true as its moral and spiritual truth.

Consider, either the whole Bible is to be trusted, or none of it is - as 2 Timothy 3:16 says:

"All scipture is God Breathed ..."

mindlight · 2025-12-14T03:50:42-0600

Hans Blaster said:
Of course not, the USA has not bananas, nor is it in Africa. (Banana republics are in Central America and fruit companies no longer control any nations.

Both Hawaii and Florida grow bananas. Banana republic was a term that originated in Central America but it has been applied to African countries also e.g. Central African Republic and South Africa were both referred to as such.

The main point here is about gerrymandering and manipulations of the system to ensure the incumbent stays in power. I doubt if you disagree with that vis a vis Trump.

Factotum · 2025-12-14T03:50:09-0600

This is so, so sad to hear he was treated this way, like a rabid jungle animal for threatening to harm himself. And then be arrested "...after an incident at a staffer's home during which prosecutors allege he [only] threatened self-harm, a situation his defense attorney described as a mental health crisis..." without a doubt.

Had he been one of us Caucasians, would he had simply been transported to a mental health provider instead of jail??

What ex-Michigan coach Sherrone Moore said in court at arraignment

Fired University of Michigan football coach Sherrone Moore was ordered to continue mental health treatment as a condition of his bond on Dec. 12.

www.usatoday.com

ranunculus · 2025-12-14T03:49:29-0600

@Ellesmere
The quote you shared is fake

Dan1988 · 2025-12-14T03:28:12-0600

Servus said:
Are there other ministers who are on equal footing with him, or is he unique?

God led me to my particular Shepherd, so He is unique because God didn't lead me to any others. I'm not free to roam around and follow strangers, because God didn't give them any authority to teach me anything.

My Shepherd is responsible for my spiritual health, just think of it as having a family Doctor who knows everything about your health. So why would you go to Doctors who know nothing about you.

Factotum · 2025-12-14T03:16:32-0600

RocksInMyHead said:
...the criminality concepts might be similar...

Yes, I agree with that. As it is the sole point I was trying to make... that Tish likely sat up, imagined that Trump might be committing the same bank criminality she's been committing for decades, created a campaign around the goal of prosecuting him, then... charged him, just like she promised to if she won.

Just a reprehensible and corrupt woman.

1Tonne · 2025-12-14T03:03:43-0600

Jipsah said:
I don't watch videos. The idea that everybody has eternal life by default is rubbish.

You should watch the video. It is only 20 odd minutes, and it explains where people who believe in annihilation go wrong. (Though I do not agree with everything he says in the vid, I still think he is pretty onto it and does very well with refuting annihilationism.)

Those who are sent to destruction do not get eternal life. They get eternal death.
I think the real difference between us is how we understand “death.” We actually agree that those sent to destruction do not receive eternal life. Where we differ is what eternal death means. Your view seems to treat death as a finality. When the body dies (the shell), this is a finality in the physical. So, your understanding of “eternal death” is understood as extinction, the person is gone forever.

My view is different. Scripture shows that when the body dies, it is not the end of the person. The spirit/soul continues but sleeps in the grave, unconscious, awaiting the resurrection (Eccl 9:5; Ps 146:4; John 5:28–29). Earthly death is therefore not final; it is temporary and preparatory.
Because death is not final in the first sense, I don’t see the second death as annihilation either. It is eternal death because it is eternal ruin, eternal separation, and eternal loss of life with God, not because the person ceases to exist. Death, biblically, can be an ongoing state of ruin, not merely a moment where something stops existing.

So yes, the wicked do not receive eternal life. They receive eternal ongoing death/ruin. Eternal death is not non-existence; it is the eternal opposite of life with God.
That’s the core difference in how we’re reading the texts.

NBB · 2025-12-14T02:41:13-0600

Yarddog said:
I'd have to agree with Time. AI may be the biggest development since the internet.

Internet was harmful for society, useful tool for sure, but it was not for good, and AI who knows what they would do with it, maybe they want to control everything people do behind a mainframe like some Bond villain or something, they are proposing digital ID, i would guess this is related to AI and more control.

Servus · 2025-12-14T02:38:50-0600

There's nothing weird about people sitting in front of a dead tree while eating candy out of socks.

Unqualified · 2025-12-14T02:38:48-0600

I don’t know. He was a child and fully man as well and had to learn and grow before His ministry started. But I don’t know when to draw the lines of time on it. It took,I h prayer and the Holy Spirit to fully realize.

RamiC · 2025-12-14T02:32:27-0600

9 degrees celsius here, with a "temperature to drop" prediction right next to it

This is okay, because God made leather and wool, because He is kind. It is hard on the homeless :pray:

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keras · 2025-12-14T02:28:12-0600

eclipsenow said:
You jump around between verses like a hyperactive grasshopper - without slowing down and considering the context of each author.

This is a great example of eisegesis.

On the contrary, all of the verses I provided in #154, refer to the one event - the great and terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath.
Your replies are just to 'shoot the messenger', and flood the thread with the opinions and beliefs of preterism and Spiritualism.

Tell us when you think the righteous will enter Israel and extend all their boundaries?
When will the Lord send fire to consume our enemies? Isaiah 26

Dan1988 · 2025-12-14T02:22:08-0600

HIM said:
Do you realize that You haven’t made an argument that substantiates anything.

No I don't believe that, I believe some have ignored the scriptures I referred to, which support my argument

Apple Sky · 2025-12-14T02:18:22-0600

Sunshine

Unqualified · 2025-12-14T02:16:43-0600

-13 degrees F. ?

MarkRohfrietsch said:
Warm indeed, remote start system to get it warmed up. It has full time FWD, but also a "Snow" mode which locks the differentials and is heavy enough to go through a foot of snow. While the Jeep is warm, the weather is not; already went down to -17 C. two nights ago. In Feb. It is not uncommon to see lows of -25 C.

Ellesmere · 2025-12-14T02:01:03-0600

HARK! said:
After noting his desire to quickly release documents related to the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy, if elected, Trump clarified that he’d be willing to do the same with the Epstein files.

Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

During an appearance on “The Lex Fridman Podcast,” Trump, 78, insisted that he never visited the dead financier and alleged sex trafficker’s notorious private island, where scores of young women an…

nypost.com

Reversing President Trump's pledge to release the Epstein files should come as no great surprise!

One would have thought that Americans had have learned by now that failure to deliver on his promises is a reoccurring theme in "TRUMPWORLD

Christsfreeservant · 2025-12-14T01:47:39-0600

Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. And coming in, he said to her, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.” But she was very perplexed at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this was. The angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.”

Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?” The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God. And behold, even your relative Elizabeth has also conceived a son in her old age; and she who was called barren is now in her sixth month. For nothing will be impossible with God.” And Mary said, “Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; may it be done to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her. (Luke 1:26-38 NASB1995)

Jesus always existed with God, and he was and is God, the second person of our triune God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So he didn’t just come into being when he was born as a baby to his mother Mary. For Jesus willingly left the throne in heaven which he had with God the Father, he came to the earth, and he was born to Mary, but conceived of the Holy Spirit. So he was not born with a sin nature as we are, and he never once sinned. But when he lived on the earth he was both fully God and fully human (God incarnate).

[John 1:1-36; John 8:24,58; John 10:30-33; John 20:28-29; Romans 9:5; Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 2:9; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8-9; 1 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Peter 1:1]

Now Mary was chosen of God to bear the only begotten Son of God, but this did not make her someone to be worshipped as though she is a god. But she was a young woman of tremendous faith in the Lord who believed what the angel told her, even though she didn’t understand, at first, how it was going to take place, since she was a virgin. And that took a lot of faith and courage to believe what the angel told her, too, especially since she would most certainly now be marked as an adulteress, for who would believe her story?

Now try to put yourself in her position, which will be harder for males, or try to imagine a situation where God might send an angel to you to call you to do something that you know will get you tagged as crazy, or as someone who cheated on your mate, and so you know people are going to think you have lost your mind or that you have sinned against God. And so you know they are not going to believe you, and that they are probably going to reject you, or that they might even put you to death for what they think you did.

For this isn’t just a “nice story” that gets repeated once a year, but this is a story of tremendous faith and trust in God and in his calling upon the life of a young woman who sets a great example for us who follow Jesus with our lives as to the kind of faith which we should have, too; a faith which believes in miracles and in divine intervention. And Mary said, “Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; may it be done to me according to your word.” And this should be our response to God when he calls us to do “the seemingly impossible.”

And some of us may be being faced with difficult situations in our lives which seem to not have answers, and the Lord may be leading us in directions we never thought possible, and so we know we will have to step out in faith, believing that God is in control, and then just trust him with the details. And Mary can serve as a wonderful example for us of that faith, where we rest in the Lord, and where we consider ourselves as servants of the Lord, and so we say with Mary, “May it be done to me according to your word.” Amen!

His Tender Mercies

An Original Work / January 26, 2014
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Fear not! I’m with you.
Be not dismayed!
God watches o’er you.
Trust Him today.
He’ll lead and guide you;
Give you His aid.
He’ll love and keep you
With Him always.

Walk in His footsteps.
He’ll lead the way.
Trust in His love;
Believe that He cares.
He will not leave you.
Faithful He’ll be.
His tender mercies
Now you will see.

Fellowship with Him
Throughout the day.
Tell Him your heartaches.
He’ll heal always.
Rest in His comfort.
He is your friend.
Your faith He’ll strengthen,
True to the end.

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“May it Be Done to Me”
An Original Work / December 14, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Richard T · 2025-12-14T01:31:56-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
That's always a possibility...

However, in this instance, the "likely an ISIS gunman" isn't far fetched considering it happened in Syria.

I believe Syria still has the 2nd largest ISIS presence in the world behind Iraq.

If Wikipedia is accurate about this, ISIS controls 6 provinces (out of 14) in Syria, which would substantiate the Pentagon spokesman's statement about it happening "in an area where the Syrian President does not have control."

But as a group what is the motive for ISIS? They want to bring the heat to their consolidation on parts of Syria? I do not know the full dynamics there but I bet some other groups (Perhaps even the USA itself) would love to have the USA drive out ISIS.

Pommer · 2025-12-14T01:26:19-0600

BPPLEE said:
That's true. But I don't believe Allah is the same as Yahweh

I’m fairly certain that Muslims believe that Yahweh and Allah are the same Being.
Whatever it is that you, personally, know about the subject, you might not be…correct, based on the fact we’re talking about how other people believe.

dlamberth · 2025-12-14T01:21:17-0600

stevevw said:
It is when its used to claim that knowledge and belief in the mind and body divide within Christianity just disappeared.

As far as I can see using the Dark Ages to say that Christianity did not have any views or beliefs on the Mind and Body divide is denying Christian thought. I proposed that the early church understood the Mind and Body divide in their beliefs and teachings.

Early Christianity was and still is all over the board regarding Mind/Body Divide. There historically is a bit of tension over this subject with even some leaning towards a trichotomy (body/soul/spirit) dichotomy way of thinking. But Christianity, from what I know of it, always has and even now depends upon some concept of mind/body divide. Using the term "conspiracy" though for a miss-construing (do I have that right?) of a basic religions belief structure is a bit over the top.

The term "Dark Ages" is misleading which is why that era is generally now called "The Early Middle Ages".

Pommer · 2025-12-14T01:16:47-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
The Somalian fraud and tribalism was going on long before Trump. That is what happens when you import the third world into your country in mass, give them welfare to make them comfortable, and have zero expectation for them to assimilate. They bring they bring the third world with them and replicate it where they are.

Why invite people in who won’t vote for you?
I understand this completely.

Servus · 2025-12-14T01:15:10-0600

NxNW said:
Reminds me of the time when Trump was told he needed to add braille to the elevator controls, and he said, "We're not going to rent to blind people!"

I heard he kicked Hellen Keller out to the curb.

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