Douggg said:

No, Maria. What do you believe I have wrong ?

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Not wrong, just the other view in chart form.

stevevw said:

The ones who persured Trump and his admin and supporters relentlessly to the point of derangement. To the point that they would never apply the same criteria to themselves.

I will let you work out who they were. But when someone refers to the activities of those who did this then its the same people and the same applies.

What was much worse. The corruption and fraud. When these same people who object to Trump bring up his past of fraud and corruption I am saying this pales into insignificances whats coming out on those who hounded Trump, his admin and supporters.

This is what happens when people throw stones and accuse others. They better be pure skins themselves as God says don't judge unless you want to be judged. as it turns out it seems those who are loudest and fixated on condemning and judging are actually the ones with the most grevious wrongs. The pot calling the kettle black.

Yes sure. We all know there was corruption. Its coming out now. Actually I feel sorry for Biden as he was cognitively impaired and did not know. Its the people behind him that are now being found out.

No he is the same as his accusers. They are all bad. But the difference is at least he does not pretend. What you see is what you get. But as for those who pretended that they were sheep when all the time they were the wolves. They are the truely evil ones. You will see. It will all come out.

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The only scandal coming out is Trump sending his had picked loyalists in the DOJ after everyone who opposes him, and aside from the attention grabbing headlines, these accusations also amount to to nothing.

It will all come out…. Sure, we just need to give Comer more time to conclude his investigations in search of a crime.

True that Trump has never hid who he is. It was glaring from day one. That is the most disturbing part of his Presidency- the fact that he was elected at all.

Hentenza said:

Didn’t I tell you that the mirrors are still in use today? Didn’t I tell you that they are there? Why don’t you do yourself a favor (a big one) and do some ACTUAL research instead of believing all of the nonsense from social media.

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Says who, NASA? You expect me to trust NASA? Come back when you have a credible source on the matter that doesn’t use CGI and VR productions.

SabbathBlessings said:

Jesus never "broke free" from the Sabbath to do good, again adding to God's word- doing good was never breaking the Sabbath commandment- which Jesus always kept Luke4:16 John15:10 and we are to follow in His example 1John2:6 1Peter 2:21-22 not following the traditions and words of man over the commandments of God.Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14

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your confusing my meaning interpreting "break free" with "break"

Jesus didn’t “break” the Sabbath, but He did redefine its boundaries, which is exactly the issue in passages like Matthew 12. When He says: “It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath” (Matt 12:12)

He isn’t quoting Moses or any degree/commandment of God. He is asserting His own authority to declare what is and is not lawful by critically approach the law. It's no mistake the same chapter includes: “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” (Matt 12:8). Matthew intentional put these together so that we can draw a connection to Christ's authority over the sabbath.

If you’re the Lord of something, you’re not merely keeping it as written—you’re the One who can interpret it, reshape it, or end it.

Yes, Jesus kept the Sabbath (Luke 4:16), but that’s because He was born under the Law (Gal 4:4). His Sabbath-keeping is part of His faithfulness as an Israelite, not a template that Christians must remain under the Sinai covenant. And the NT is clear that Sabbath isn’t binding on believers: Col 2:16–17 — don’t let anyone judge you over Sabbaths, Rom 14:5 — some regard a day, some don’t, Gal 4:10–11 — Paul rebukes returning to required “days”.

Appealing to Jesus’ example doesn’t bring Christians back under the old covenant (or under the 10) Following Him means living under the law of Christ, not the covenant He fulfilled (Heb 8:13; 2 Cor 3:6–11). we Infact inherit the fulfilled covenant through him. Matthew 12:12 doesn’t preserve Sabbath law obligation, it shows Jesus exercising divine authority over it, his resolve was clearly a nouvelle idea when he spoke it. it doesn't matter how you brand it, Christ had authority to present it this way, it's his Sabbath and it points to him, he uses that moment to highlight its core values.

Factotum said:

Okay, I can respect your decision to list that.


Can you tell if that same "unprivileged belligerents' criterion should be found here: https://www.state.gov/executive-order-13224#criteria ...??

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I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about "designations."

It's possible for one group to be designated in more than one way under more than one governmental dispensation.

The State Department can designate a group a "terrorist organization" for their purposes.

For the military, an organization designated a "terrorist organization" by the State Department puts them in the "unprivileged belligerent" category for the purposes of the Law of Armed Conflict.

So, Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization and because of that designation, the members of Al Qaeda are "unprivileged belligerents" under the LOAC.

jonojim1337 said:

Yes because Christ is our head

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Yes…happy you get that!!!

Dale said:

There was no police department at that time, in the sense that we have today.

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If the police were here for my good (or your good), that statement might carry some weight.

But the Supreme Court has ruled more than once that the police do not have a duty to protect citizens.

And then throw racism into it.

If the police aren't here to protect me and may even be a danger to me, it's immoral to prevent me from using whatever means necessary to protect myself and my family.

Can this be moved to the Incongruous Title sub fora?

And the vast majority of the time anti white racism is just stopping white people from being institutionally advantaged by society.

Aryeh Jay said:

Why should Jews be an exception?

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AIPAC and Zionism.

Larniavc said:

To paraphrase Cpt. Ballard: “Gosh darn it America; you ain’t never gonna change. “

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Count on the Americans to do the right thing. After exhausting every other option. That's sort of how the saying went.

Mercy Shown said:

Because what you might call greed and what you might call justice may look very different from what I would call greed or justice. Our standards aren’t the same—and that’s exactly why Scripture warns us to be careful about judging the hearts and motives of others.

Jesus said plainly, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). When we label someone as greedy, corrupt, or unjust, we may be stepping into territory God didn’t give us—the territory of judging motives we can’t see (1 Samuel 16:7).

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That’s taking what Jesus said in Matthew 7 out of context. What He was saying is don’t be a hypocrite, don’t judge others for unrighteousness if you yourself is unrighteous.

““Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭1‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

He’s illustrating judging others with taking the speck out of your brother’s eye. He’s not saying not to judge others, He’s saying don’t judge others without judging yourself. Get the beam out of your own eye before you judge others. Right after this He goes on to warn about false prophets and knowing how to identify them. This is another example of judging others by their actions or fruits.

““Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭15‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

After my husband divorced me, I struggled with depression. For a couple of years I've been siting next to a widower in Church. We are both elderly and he has recently moved into a flat for older people with a communal lounge and garden. Since then he has not seemed to want the sort of friendship I had been hoping for: a cup of coffee occasionally and maybe an afternoon out, for companionship and conversation.

Our Pastor spoke to me about my friendship with this man, thinking I wanted something more romantic than I do. There seems to be a complete disconnect between myself, my Pastor, and the man. As a result the man is going to other churches until after Christmas. I said if need be, I would change churches, but I really don't want to. (He's been a member for 40 years, so I would hate for him to have to change.)

Meanwhile my next door neighbour is having chemotherapy and I feel I need to tell her about the Lord. She's self-isolating atm so I can't visit her now. Also my very elderly cousin has Alzheimers and is against God. People's salvation is so important and I find it difficult to deal with all this.

Please pray that things get sorted out with this man and no-one will have to change churches. Also that the Holy Spirit will move in the lives of my neighbour, and my cousin, and I will have the courage to talk to my neighbour about the Lord.

Many thanks and God bless you.

DennisF said:

What, exactly, is the lie?
("Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF,..." Moderator)

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That is being discussed in the thread, read and find out.

Another look at the moon landing.

rjs330 said:

Oh? How so? Are you putting words in my mouth again?

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Why don't you put some of your own words there instead and answer my question about how these Muslim immigrants will get past the Constitution and the majority of the voters.

BobRyan said:

Not true.

Adam did not "take God's name in vain"
Gen 6-7 shows that even the distinction between CLEAN vs UNCLEAN animals we observed before the flood

Hentenza said:

Irrelevant. No sabbath here.

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1. your response Irrelevant in a discussion of the flood in Gen 6,7
2. Sabbath is in Gen 2:2-3 according to the Sabbath commandment of Ex 20:11 long before Gen 6
3. Made for mankind Mark 2:27

Hentenza said:

Strawman. No one has argued against the 3rd commandment.

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refusing to see the flaw in your own argument is not a funny kind of "proof" in support of it

The very fact that "do not take God's name in vain" is not in Gen 6 or 2 or 3 and yet you still admit it was always true totally undermines your argument against any other one of the Ten Commandments in that regard... and we all know it

When my kids were still growing up we did the typical trick or treating, fall festivals, and Halloween carnivals.

They got costumes when I could afford them. Sometimes they just got cheap makeup or a mask.

We watched "It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown."

Now my oldest son and his wife do the same with their kids.

I don't think it is evil unless you make it evil. It's no worse than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

samaus123456789 said:

1 Maccabees 12:20-22​

Common English Bible​

20 King Arius of the Spartans.
To the high priest Onias. Greetings!
21 It has been discovered in a written record that the Spartans and the Jews are relatives and are both of the family of Abraham. 22 Since we have learned this, please let us know how you are.

Which word or what version?



I already knew the answers anyway. Chat CPT is a language pattern recognition expert, and understanding the bible is all about language/concept/prophecy etc pattern recognition.

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The part where Jews are relatives of Spartans.

CLEEB said:

Are you in one of the splinter churches of the former Worldwide Church of GOD ? Are you with the SDA ? The seventh day Baptists?

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SDA does not come out of the Church of God

I think what you are alluding to is how over time the values and morals have changed. We often hear the older generation speak of the values they had and like you said how they worked hard and sacrificed for a better life.

Something changed along the way and people lost that value. I think this is partly because we also lost God and church and family life. Those values go with such beliefs.

I think what has happened is that over time the State has replaced God and the family. A welfare State has been created and people have become dependent. That has affected their mindset where the value of hard work and achieving something is lost.

You mention the promised utopia that our leaders said would happen. Its turned out to be a nightmare. They tried to play God and be the creators of a new order on earth based on their own ideas and it failed. Any idea without God is going to fail.

So really the US and I think the western world are at a cross roads. The US has always been seen as the face of western ideals and values of freedom and democracy and human rights. But now it is collapsing. The western empire is collapsing as a result.

This is a pivotal point in our history and we can see the polarisation of sides with quite different ideas about how society and thye world should be ordered.

The chaos and hell that has come has caused many to question what is going on and how could our once peaceful and free nations could become so chaotic. I believe that this has caused people to go back to the fundemental truth principles that made Christian western nations so great.

But this could also escalate the divisions and hatred between the opposing sides. We have seen a rise in political violence and assassination attempts. Its not just in the US. But people are more willing to go out on the streets and use violence as a means.

So this is a very pivotal time, a make or brake time that will determine the future as to whether we will decend in further breakdown and completely collapse. Or begin to turn things around to make a better future for our children.

But I truely believe what will achieve this is to return to those truth principles like Rule of Law, the rights and freedoms of belief and speech and that we are not the gods of our own world because we always mess it up.

timewerx said:

I was in a pentecostal group prayer couple times surrounded by people falling and wriggling on the floor and felt absolutely NOTHING even though I'm praying.

Eventually, the group thought I'm possessed by an evil spirit so they all surrounded and laid their hands on me and I still felt nothing. If I'm actually possessed, that would mean the group have absolutely no power over the spirit that's possessing me or lack the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in them. Either way, it's bad.

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I don't think you are possessed. I've had similar experiences with Pentecostals. They accused me of being demonically oppressed or that there was a satanic stronghold in me. They have accused me of not being a true believer, lacking in faith, or not being ready for their level of faith and relationship with the Lord.

I believe they are wrong. I think they confuse their own emotions and neurological reactions to their spirituality with the Holy Spirit. They think those who don't experience the same are less than or possessed/oppressed/nonbelievers.

Contine to hold onto that word despite what you see. If it's from God it is rock solid. Praying for your mother and you.

Ave, María, grátia plena,
Dóminus tecum.
Benedicta tu in muliéribus,
et benedíctus fructus ventris
tui, Iesus.
Sancta María, Mater Dei,
ora pro nobis peccatoribus
nunc et in hora mortis nostrae.
Amen.

LoricaLady, I think what you do in raising awareness of the persecuted church is amazing. We are using the Open Doors watchlist at Church, so I am praying with them, but I love the fact that you raise the issue here. Bless you.

Also your OP here. Praying for you.

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