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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

The New Covenant is God Himself dwelling in us and prompting us to righteousness more perfect than the Law could ever deliver.

I guess this will get sorted out soon enough.

1 John 2:27
And as for you, the anointing which you received from Him remains in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you remain in Him.
We could go by what God said His covenant is...that's always a choice too.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
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B flat B♭

Atmospheric gases prove that a dome above the surface prevents air from escaping into a false region called outer space. Air pressure is the mass of oxygen and other gases divided by the volume.

In other words, air must be confined in a container, like a tank of composed air to fill your car's tires.
If our atmosphere was enclosed in a container then air pressure would be the same whether you were on the beach or on the top of Mt Everest. The fact that air pressure decreases as you go higher proves our atmosphere is not enclosed.
The idea of a total vacuum called outer space defines logic and laws of physics.
No. It actually perfectly follows the laws of physics.
We can't see the dome because of atmospheric interference.
No, we can't see it because it doesn't exist.
But at night, telescopes and cameras with special lenses show can us the lights that are embedded in the dome. We may also see the Dark Rift, which looks like the seam of a welded plate.
Or you can go out into a remote area and simply look up. It sill isn't a dome.
The whole effect has the appearance of a curved ceiling which rotates around us
Yes, the 'appearance', not the reality.
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Maine elects woman convicted of killing Canadian tourist to city council: ‘So broken’

“Right. When the morality of the left becomes absurd then so are the analogies. Your side defends crime. No thanks.“

This is not an insult but a fact. Progressives are the ones fighting for bond reform which releases criminals, sometimes multiple violators and violent criminals, on no cash bonds regardless of their danger to the public. Normalizing crime is spitting in the faces of the victims.



Your analogy was a dismal failure that proved my point while ruining yours.

I have not defended a murderer for murdering but you have condemned a person who paid for her crime and turned her life around. You have deemed her unfit for an office which has nothing to do with murder while condoning a man holding office which does have quite a bit to do with the office he holds.

Your disparaging my morality is based on your misrepresenting my stance on murder and with conflating me with every other leftie you disagree with. You shown no grasp of logic in your bad arguments and you don't seem to be able to follow mine (unless you are misrepresenting them for your own purposes, but I'll assume you're more moral than that unless you tell me differently).


You haven't demonstrated any twisting, so your claim is mere assertion. Good day to you.
Again, not worth replying to.
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Trump federalizing DC police, deploying National Guard in capital crime crackdown

Ridiculous, I thought it was satire
Yeah, that is actually the point. It really does sound like something made up that you'd read in The Onion. But he really did say something that made him look ridiculous.

Did you only just realise this?
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Proton Mail

Can you post the article here for us to read?


I've never heard that criminals use it. But it's possible. My experience has been they use Gmail or they try to make their email address look like it's from a legitimate source (like Microsoft or a bank).

I have Proton myself and I love it. I have one of the paid versions and I have multiple email addresses just for one account. I know on one of the paid subscriptions, you can do a custom email domain if you want to. You can look into that.
I read several articles some months ago, I don't remember exactly what they were, but it was stuff similar to this:

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Am I Weird, Or Is He Weird?

Then what you are saying is that bachelor equals diddler. Which is simply not true. My point was that the priest is unfairly judging you as something that you are not.
You mentioned judging people by their "lifestyle"; my point was about U.K. immigration policy. England should be more judgmental, if it has any interest in remaining England.
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TRUMP "MISSED THE DEADLINE" TO CALL OFF TX GERRYMANDERING; CALIFORNIA WILL NOW DRAW NEW, MORE “BEAUTIFUL MAPS”

Gerrymandering is a very old form of political corruption. Elbridge Gerry gave his name to the practice, after an extremely odd-looking mapped district was thought to look like a dragon and was deemed "the Gerrymander" in his honor. But the principle that voters should pick their leaders, as opposed to leaders picking their voters would be the rule in an honest system.
I believe the district resembled a salamander, and the portmanteau was the cobbling together of the esteemed gentleman’s surname and the aforementioned creature.
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The auto-pen scandal is going to be massive

Your hatred is noted
My intense dislike for the man, for reasons too numerous to mention, have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with his obvious lack of talent in running companies. That just serves as an additional indication how incompetent he is.

If he was good at it then you'd get comments from me such as 'Well, at least he's good at something. He should stick to it. Because running a country is not it'.
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Appointed to Eternal Life - Acts 13:48

You're right that verse 48 stands in contrast to verse 46, but what kind of contrast is it?

In verse 46, the Jews actively reject the word and "judge themselves unworthy" (οὐκ ἀξίους κρίνετε ἑαυτοὺς). The reflexive pronoun ἑαυτοὺς makes the agency explicit: they perform the action upon themselves. In verse 48, however, there is no reflexive pronoun, no verb form that would suggest self-action, and no syntactic cue that the Gentiles are doing anything to or for themselves. The participle τεταγμένοι belongs to a completely different lexical and semantic field (τάσσω, meaning "to appoint, to assign, to place in order"), and is part of a perfect periphrastic construction (ἦσαν τεταγμένοι), which naturally conveys a resultant state brought about by a prior act.

So, while there is a contrast, it is not between two groups each acting upon themselves (the Jews judging themselves vs. the Gentiles appointing themselves). Rather, it's between human rejection and divine appointment. The Jews exclude themselves by unbelief; the Gentiles believe because they are already in the "appointed" state. God's initiative, not theirs, explains the difference in response.
I agree with that.
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A perspective on Baptism and the plan of salvation that I have not heard before

I have prayed and thought of this thread and the reasons I wanted to discuss it here. We all want to worship our Lord Jesus Christ. He states, I am the Alpha AND the Omega, the first and the last.

Revelation 1:8

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, saith the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty


Baptism is a sign for His believers.
Matthew 28:19-20

Baptism is described as the circumcision of Christ.
Colossians 2:11-12

Water was present on the first day. Genesis1:2
Circumcision was to occur on the eighth day.
Leviticus 12:3

Water is important to God as He says it is life giving. See scriptures

Psalm 1
Isaiah 35
Isaiah 43
Isaiah 55
Isaiah 58
Jeremiah 17
Ezekiel 47

John 4
John 7
Apocolypse (Revelation) 22:1-2

John 7 describes the Holy Spirit as the river of living water, while revelation says the river flows from the throne of God AND the Lamb
Filioque?

Scripture tells us that there will be theological disagreements and variances of understanding, yet it says whatever we do, we do from the heart as for God and not men (paraphrase) Col 3:23

We are not here to lord ourselves over one another. The Sabbath came after creation, not at the beginning. Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, not the end only. The Sabbath was a sign of the Old Covenant. Jesus chose water to represent the New Covenant and told us we must be born of water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom of Heaven. John 3

Water represents the first day of creation and baptism the circumcision if heart on the eighth day. The Sabbath is not to be profaned, but it has been fulfilled. We are no longer limited to worshipping God in the temple on the Sabbath, but can now worship Him in spirit and in truth any time and anywhere. Matthew 18:20

Life comes from Christ, not obeying the Old Covenant. Galatians 3:11


People may disagree with the Catholic Church due to their personal opinion, but the teaching of the Catholic Church is thoroughly based in Scripture.
Calling her the harlot of Babylon or Sunday worship the mark of the beast is presumptuous and misleading. The sacraments all point to Christ whom we worship. Our honor of Mary amplifies the Word of God as described in Gen 3:15. Mary says that her soul amplifies the Lord. She does not detract from Him

There is no scriptural cause to oppose the Catholic Church. Personal opinion may give one cause, but personal opinion does not a scriptural reason make. 2Peter 1:20

Pray for the salvation of all men for the greater glory of God the Father and Our Lord Jesus Christ in the unity of the Holy Spirit
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Causing offence

Jesus spoke truth and often offended.

Discuss how this applies in our world.

Are we loosing an 'edge' if we don't offend?

Is the church largely silent on public issues for this reason?

Your input appreciated.
“The church”? Do you mean some sort of collective “all who profess Christ”? There is a wide range of such. Left and Right
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