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What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?

Well, no. I was not saying an unborn baby rejected God, but that at whatever point that baby is a responsible (by God's assessment) human, he rejects God, unless he has been born from above by the work of God.
This is about as clear as mud. lol

Are you saying babies go to Hell or Heaven man, come on, fess up your personal conclusion. :)
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Trump meets with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman at White House

If Trump could kill his most troublesome critics without serious consequence, I don't think that he would hesitate.
And he probably wouldn't lose any voters.

-- A2SG, forgiveness is fundamental to MAGA...only for Trump, though....
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Why do people hate ICE...

Consider the potential outcomes had the minority group opposing both legal and illegal immigration to America been successful at the time of your arrival. How might this have affected you or your family?
Irrelevant. The discussion is about what immigration policy is appropriate today.
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Rare Earth minerals deposit could end Chinese dominance


This is very good news!

House Democrat exchanged texts with Epstein during 2019 congressional hearing

House Democrat exchanged texts with Epstein during 2019 congressional hearing


“During the hearing, Congresswoman Plaskett received texts from staff, constituents and the public at large offering advice, support and in some cases partisan vitriol, including from Epstein,” Plaskett’s spokesperson, Angeline Jabbar, said in a statement to CNN. “As a former prosecutor she welcomes information that helps her get at the truth and took on the GOP that was trying to bury the truth. The congresswoman has previously made clear her long record combating sexual assault and human trafficking, her disgust over Epstein’s deviant behavior and her support for his victims.”
I'm sorry, maybe I missed something. Is there a problem here?

-- A2SG, maybe the insinuations are just too vague for me....
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For those who are gamers, how do you handle Christian Ethics vs gaming?

So when you run across instances like this, what do you do? I'm not required to engage with it. Like, there isn't quests or anything but how do you handle video games and following Christian ethical standards?
I've dealt with this situation before with a game that involved witchcraft in the actual dynamics of the game, meaning required, twice. God spoke to my heart and asked me how much I loved Him. I said done and trashed them, even being very heavily invested in with extremely competitive stance in one.

With that said, my opinion is that you said it yourself there, "I'm not required to engage with it." 1 Corinthians 10:23 says all things are permissible but not all things are beneficial, or helpful. We are also called to be in the world, but not of the world in John 17:15 and John 17:16. Lastly, Christ said we are the light of the world, and that we are not meant to be hidden away but like a city on a hill in Matthew 5:14.

Daniel lived in Babylon and was immersed in a world full of witchcraft, but he rejected particular things that he felt dishonored God like eating food offered to idols. I think the entire world is Babylon in that specific sense and we are in that situation now and so long as it is not violating your conscience, I think you are good to go (you are obviously tuned in with God that there are no-go zones from the way you speak). (Romans 14:23)

I have used a few games as platforms to spread the gospel, even posting Scripture on my profile. I say simply have a little talk with God about the games and pray about them, and during that conversation, like He has with me, I think He will guide you into what is acceptable and unacceptable. Some people will tell you it is black and white, but I don't think this is the case. We are children, Sons and Daughters in Christ, and in that we are meant to be more than robots. God made you and I don't think He wants all of us conformed to a cookie cutter shape even being conformed into the image of Christ. The image of Christ, the image of God is love (1 Timothy 1:5 - 1 John 4:7 - 1 John 4:8). We can all look like Christ in His love to others without being robots or cookie cutouts.

Just my two cents on the matter in the pot, but I've had experience in this and found that God showed me what was not ok, and what He not only didn't mind but helped me in winning the games (and yes I actually believe that, call me crazy but He helps me with everything, I wouldn't be ok if He didn't).

Do everything to the glory of God, even if it is playing a game (1 Corinthians 10:31). Love God, love people, be yourself.
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Vatican stops use of titles for Mary

So the analogy that praying to Mary is the same as talking Bob, is obviously a false equivalency.
Your opinion is duly noted. I don't think asking the Mother of God to pray for me is entirely equivalent to asking an old Korean grandmother, but it's a matter of degree, innit? The request is the same in either case: "please pray for me".
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SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

Common sense and the prior citing should do

I believe every Word of God applies to everyone. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3
And do you believe what Heb. 9:18 says ??

It reads , Therefore. , not even the FIRST COVENANT. WAS dedicated WITH OUT BLOOD.

Do you believe verse 18. !!

Put it another WAY. the OLD COVENANT. had to be set aside , WHEN JESUS DIED on. the CROSS and his BLOOD. SHED

THEN anyone meaning GENTILES WERE GIVEN SALVATION

And says that you are BORN AGAIN and BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT. is speaking to ISRAEL in EZE 36:25

and EZE 37 :1-28 AND Israel will be BORN AGAIN !!

DAN P
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Why Zohran Mamdani won and New York will pay a terrible price

My culture is based upon the Scriptures and the teachings of the LORD God.
Its a romantic thought. But the mere fact that you have the internet suggests you have been influenced by your culture. Are you Amish though? I guess you'd be getting there.


There are not any ethnic or national cultures in all the world which faithfully follow the Lord Jesus Christ.
Of course not. Jesus made it pretty clear that would never be the case. He told his disciples to go EVERYWHERE
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Young earth vs Old earth?

@Job 33:6 I am sorry for being rough with you.
I will be more gentle in my responses.

You probably realize that to say that Genesis 2 is a continuation, contradicts everything said before it, as well as everything you agreed with.
It says that God did not complete his works on day 6 and rest on day 7, but instead created Adam and Eve on day 7, as ell as animals.
It also says that Adam named the animals on day 7, and vegetation covered the earth on day 7 instead of day 3.

I though I should make this clear, as this is scripture we are considering, and so, what scripture says is important, and must be accurately expounded. Acts 18:24-28
The scriptures can be used to prove persons wrong, who warp the truth. It's not a matter of one opinion or another.
How sad that Christianity today which is so widely and largely divided, has so badly distorted God's word... making it of little value to people searching for God.
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Swatting Trolls v. Encouraging Saints—Who Wins When Threads Go Sideways?

To answer the title question, moderators. :sunglasses:Moderators always win. :p


Debate or Report.

If reported, do not debate, and if debated, do not report. If reported, then letting any algorithms bury things is good until the mods show up. As far as I know, forums don’t use algorithms, but letting the thread roll along instead of responding is the wise course. You don’t want your posts to get caught in a moderation evaluation.

If the post breaks the rules of the forum or website, report, if it does not, debate. If the troll is making things off-topic, that’s usually against the rules of forum websites and merits a report instead of debate.
Thanks, linux.poet—solid, practical rule. I’ll copy it into my pocket:
Debate or report—never both, never neither.
Appreciate the mod-work you all do to keep the place sane.
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CNN Dem Panelist Shocks Jennings with Major Admission on Lawfare Against Trump

Forgive me for believing world class historians like Heather Cox Richardson, world-class economists like Robert Reich and Paul Krugman, award-winning media which always requires one primary or two or more secondary sources.

Trump's falsehoods are easy to spot. As soon as he opens his mouth, warning lights start flashing around me. They are frequently outrageously ridiculous and absurd--the only things more ridiculous are generally the pained faces of the people behind him. Rubio usually looks like he wishes he could either sink into the floor or wear a cloak of invisibility.

The media who promote these blatantly obvious lies as truth are without conscience or integrity.
IMO, you are believing who you want to believe.
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Obama care collapsing.....

you keep repeating it - like suddenly it will make a difference from the facts.
What I keep repeating are facts.

The original 1989 Heritage Foundation plan

Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993

Yes, the line has been repeated - and yet -

not one Republican endorsed it or voted for it.
Yeah, funny how that happened, huh? They endorsed the plan in 1993, but when President Obama proposed it, they changed their minds. And the objections they raised at that time, the individual mandate in particular? Part of the plan all along.

I wonder what did change? Got any ideas?

The ones who wrote the final plan - endorsed it and voted it in right down party lines - are the ones who own it.
Yup. And we know where they got the idea.

President Obama admits the ACA originated from a Heritage Foundation plan

Here is a hint - if it had been a Republican majority congress - the plan would have never made it to the floor. If it was working well - the folks on the left would never mention anyone but themselves.
Oh, I fully agree the plan the Heritage Foundation came up with isn't a great plan. I've said all along we need a comprehensive, cost effective single payer plan like many other nations have in place. But since there are no alternatives to the ACA being proposed, it's all we got until someone figures out a way to circumvent the billions of dollars in profit made by the for-profit health insurance industry every year, and the large portion of that money that is directed toward various political campaigns.

-- A2SG, good luck with that....
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The Schumer Shutdown

Just anxious to see the replacement 15 years in the making.
Once we stop subsidizing the health insurance companies, costs can go down. But Schumer wants the insurance companies to have our money so badly that he shut the government down to (fail to) make that happen.
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"What’s the one Bible command that wrecked you—in the best possible way?"

Do you know who brought the realization to my attention, it was the late .Rabbi Sir Johnathan Sachs.

I was reading an article written by him where he wote that many say, Bibel, Law, Torah, commandments but it is not,

it is instructions. And I was like, yeah thought something was off somewhere.

Though it is common to say Commandments, Bibel, Torah, Law for it is just so,

But it gives a friendly and personal touch to say, instructions. For me at any rate.
Robban, I hear you and I value that friendly, personal touch—calling them “instructions” keeps the tone warm and welcoming. I appreciate your voice on this. Have a wonderful day/night.
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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

Hi, there are going to be many priests. In fact the bible talks about a kingdom of priests in the new kingdom 1Peter 2:9,
In the new covenant we are to offer ourselves as living sacrifices which means we are to do good, proclaiming the Gospel and do the Will of God etc, Romans 12:1, Heb 13:15,16
And in. Matt 19:28 the 12 apostles will sit on. 12 Thrones judging. the 12 tribes of Israel

And in EZE 40:39-----45:17. THERE are 6 offering. !!

dan p
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