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In the lake of fire what are people punished for???

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If the damnationists are correct, most of them are punished for being born in the wrong place.

Fervent said:

Ah, thanks for clarifying that for me.

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No problem.

Fervent said:

It's not as jumbled as it looks on the map, outside of Palm Springs. Most of the populations are similarly composed socio-economically and in other demographic fashion.

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No federal law requires socio-economic grouping. The Roberts court has ruled that partisan gerrymandering is legal. You can dislike it all you want, but

Fervent said:

The NE San Diego county extension is a problem, but it's more defensible because there are a lot of common interests between the constituencies. Palm Springs is literally only in there to silence those populations, with no other reason for inclusion.

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I have no idea what the politics of these places are. Not really sure if I care.

Fervent said:

I'm all for judicial review of partisan redistricting, but it's a bad look to go "they're doing it, so it's ok for us."

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You don't have to vote for Newsom or the legislative backers of this plan.

Fervent said:

Even school children know that 2 wrongs don't make a right, and the job of Newsom is not to represent the Democrat party on the federal stage but to represent CA voters.

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Voters who voted for the "Democrat" party.

Fervent said:

Putting party success before fair and honest representation of voters in his state smacks of a lack of integrity, but that's not unexpected for politicians in general.

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The White House, Speaker, and the rest of the institutional GOP has had it in for California for decade. Letting Trump and Abbot "steal" a close house by gerrymandering is not in the best interest of California.

Fervent said:

Republics will always be far superior to democracies, which are nothing but mob rule.

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A nonsensical comparison. The US (and California) is both.

Always in His Presence said:

It's being called the Mandami effect.

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Is it true that his office is going to be under a hospital?

Bro.T said:

Paul concerning the unchangeable Royal Law of God. (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: And in keeping of them there is great reward. (Psalm 19: 7-11)

So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you.

(1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

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Thank you for the beautiful verses you quoted. But if you have not taught or understand this, then let me tell you, the old covenant law (10C) was given only to show Sin and Not Love. Romans 3:20, Gal 3:19-

Vambram said:

Nope.

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Appears you have an issue with reality.

Hope you all are doing well!

There's the virtue of steadfastness, but there is vice to either side of it, stubbornness when in excess and fickleness when in deficiency.

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How many religions did he practice and do they all approve of his three marriages and crimes?

Job 33:6 said:

Genesis describes ancient Israelite cosmology. You posting photos of maps with Antarctica and Australia is completely anachronistic and wrong. There is no Antarctica in the Bible. Your post is completely wrong.

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You did not read my post and so you missed the reason the map is there.

Job 33:6 said:

And regarding the heavens and the earth, many older translations such as the 1611 KJV actually say that God created the Heaven and the earth.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
King James Version (KJV)

The word shamayim is the same both in Genesis 1:1 and in Genesis 1:8. So your second argument is also completely wrong. These verses are not describing two different things. Heaven or the heavens, depending on your translation, is created on day 2 and Earth is created on day 3. Neither is created in 1:1.

Genesis 1:1-2 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

1:1 is simply part of an introduction. Nothing actually happens in this verse.

I'll just have to agree to disagree. You may have the last word. Thanks.

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Because you did not read my post, you won't learn where you went wrong.
Expanse = heaven.
Expanse of the heavens = heaven of the heavens.

The scholars are sensible enough to know that it's not heaven of the heaven, and God created the heaven and the earth, when all through the Bible the heavens is repeatedly referred to, as there isn't just one heaven.

You will always disagree with the Bible, so long as you want to keep false ideas, but this thread is examining the evidence, so feel free to back out as you cannot dispute it.
I am presenting it for the OP, and destroying false arguments and myths. and all their intellectual arrogance that oppose the knowledge of God. We take every thought captive so that it is obedient to Christ, while doing so. 2 Corinthians 10:4, 5

The Biggest Fussy Eater (Chapter 2)

"....When you repeat the same action over and over—like eating junk food constantly—you stop noticing its effects. But your body doesn’t stop reacting. The damage keeps building, even though your brain tunes it out. That’s why you think you’re fine, but your cough tells the truth."

The kidnappers, though still skeptical, exchanged uneasy glances. Their growing discomfort validated
Johann’s claims, and he seized on their hesitation. “If I die,” he said weakly, “you lose everything. No ransom.
You’ll have nothing to show for your trouble. I need a specific medicine to counteract this.”
Their resolve finally faltered. Reluctant but desperate to keep him alive, they asked Johann what medicine he
needed. Johann provided them with a list of ingredients: vinegar, ground nutmeg, crushed chili peppers, and
adelwez. He explained that the ingredients must be cooked together and insisted the concoction be prepared
with all windows closed to retain potency.

Johann explained carefully, emphasizing that the ingredients must be cooked together in precise proportions
to ensure the mixture’s potency. He insisted the concoction be prepared with all windows tightly shut, claiming
that even the faintest draft could weaken its effectiveness. Many people know it's dangerous to cook while closing all windows, but not them. Knowing nothing of the risks, the kidnappers followed his instructions, bolting the windows and sealing every crack.

The small, dimly lit room grew increasingly stifling, the air turning thick and oppressive. As the mixture simmered on their wood-burning stove, an ominous transformation began. A new toxic gas crept into the room, its presence subtle but a bit dangerous. Apart from that, the lack of ventilation caused carbon monoxide levels to rise imperceptibly, unnoticed by the kidnappers who remained focused on their ransom plans.

Johann, fully aware of the consequences, stayed low to the ground, breathing the marginally clearer air near
the bottom edge of the door. From his position, he watched intently as the effects of the gas began to take
hold. Gradually, their movements slowed, their once-brisk actions reduced to sluggish, clumsy gestures. Their
speech became slurred and incoherent, their heads drooping as if weighted down by invisible hands. Johann
remained still, his heart pounding, as the room sank into a suffocating silence.

FredVB said:

So, dispense with Enoch as scriptures because there was not a quote from it...

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I never argued "Enoch isn't scripture because there wasn't a quote from it in Matthew." I argued that one cannot try to use Matthew 22 to argue for it being scripture because it isn't being cited at all. The whole argument is "Jesus refers to the scriptures, then to Enoch, showing it's scripture" except Jesus never gives any quote from Enoch.

I dispense with the argument that there was a quote from 1 Enoch in Matthew 22 because there was not a quote from it.

FredVB said:

That would dispense with a lot of books we acknowledge as part of the Bible. Maybe that is not such a good argument as you thought it was.

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Well, it wasn't the argument I made, so..

FredVB said:

I can dispense with apocrypha being scriptures as I find contradictions to scriptures in them, and internal inconsistencies. What is found for that in 1 Enoch? I am looking at it and yet not finding it myself.

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Well, I wasn't trying to argue anything about contradictions or inconsistencies, but still, various people have pointed to what they consider to be contradictions or inconsistencies in 1 Enoch; given his posts in this topic, I expect Jipsah would probably be happy to point to what he considers examples.

FredVB said:

And about not being quoted, Enoch was quoted. Certainly by Jude, speaking of it as being from Enoch.

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You didn't mention Jude in your post, so this is criticizing me for not responding to an argument you didn't make.

FredVB said:

And there is more than that passage used in the new testament though without Enoch being named. So why did Jesus even say that angels in heaven do not give themselves in marriage? Where was that from? Just special inside knowledge Jesus chose to use, this time?

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Hardly special inside knowledge; this was a belief by some Jews at that period, which presumably made its way into 1 Enoch on that basis. But there is no reason to believe that Jesus's statement was any reference to Enoch as scripture given that (1) Jesus doesn't introduce it in the way Jesus introduces scripture on essentially every other occasion, (2) it isn't a quote from Enoch anyway, and (3) the actual scriptural quote Jesus gives is from Exodus 3:6.

FredVB said:

Where else does Jesus do that... with those not believing anyway?

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As noted, there is no need for "special inside knowledge" for this--unless that special inside knowledge refers to knowing which of the various Jewish beliefs were correct.

However, even if it was indeed special insider knowledge of what is true, the question was posed to Jesus, and Jesus answered it. Even when non-believers posed questions to Jesus, Jesus would normally answer them. There's an example of such a thing just before the incident with the Sadducees, where the Pharisees try to do a similar "gotcha!" question to Jesus about whether to pay the imperial tax, to which Jesus gives the famous "render under Caesar what is Caesar's" quote.

FredVB said:

His whole point is that those Sadducees do not know scriptures that they should. Not a great time to mention a concept not from scriptures that would be his very special knowledge exclusively. I am not buying that.

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Jesus's reference to them being ignorant of the scriptures was, presumably, in reference to their denial of resurrection, which Jesus goes on to defend by citing Exodus 3:6 (the actual scripture cited). This seems like a bit of an odd choice to cite when there appear to be stronger verses, but there is evidence the Sadducees considered only the Pentateuch (Genesis/Exodus/Leviticus/Deuteronomy/Numbers) to be scripture, in which case Jesus obviously wasn't going to get anywhere citing something from outside of those. Which only goes to show it would be very odd for Jesus to try to cite 1 Enoch as evidence for something to the Sadducees, as they presumably didn't accept it.

concretecamper said:

Tertullian also wrote about the affects of Purgatory.

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Yup. Not to mention prayers for the dead are incredibly ancient and predate Christianity. Prayers for the dead weren’t even up for debate until the Reformation.

(And yes, I understand the Eastern Churches reject purgatory but still pray daily for their faithful departed. Even Luther wasn’t opposed to praying for the deceased)

2PhiloVoid said:

Hermeneutics, Historiography, Cultural History and Exegesis

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Thanks so much for the answer and comprehensive explanation. Sometimes, I feel like I am misreading everything and so reading nothing at all!

So, "true source material" would include what you have suggested i.e. the above.

It's so interesting for me because, my dad e.g., dropped out of school when he was under the age of 14. He has no reading comprehension skills, whatsoever, and believes that he doesn't need to read the bible because he has a personal relationship with Jesus that exceeds any writings given that he has declared Jesus Christ as his Lord and savior who died for his sins and has been baptized.

“For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life…” (John 6:40).

My husband has a similar view and suggests that Jesus doesn't expect us to understand the apostles who were Jewish, we are not, and although they preached to the Gentiles, they were of a different time. Like my dad, he believes in the simple words of Jesus but has many, many questions and doubts about the bible.

I know that if I suggested Hermeneutics etc my dad would think I was an arrogant show off and completely disregard anything I had to say about why we should learn about Paul and my husband might learn but still not feel it was relevant.

My husband, actually, would point out that Jesus saved the thief on the cross and the thief never read the bible.

So, sometimes, I don't know if I'm overthinking everything and should just throw my hands up and say, "BELIEVE," or what...

I'm not a church leader or expert in scripture etc. I'm just a working professional, wife, mom of a daughter and 2 dogs, ya know!

Thanks for helping me!

While most of the kids I see are not Jewish, i do marvel at some of the names that parents give their kids. I think the one I had the hardest time taking seriously was a little girl named "Beautiful Lady"

stevevw said:

First we don't have copper saws from the time. We have small carpentry saws that cut wood as far as I know. We have reliefs showing these small 40cm saws cutting wood. But we have absolutely nothing showing cutting of blocks.

Second why do you completely ignore the point about the signatures that cut around bends and move up and down with the contours of surfaces or cuts and leave an arc. Which is impossible for a hand held straight edge copper saw.

This immediately stops the idea of a hand held copper saw from even being considered.

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You were corrected on this 10 days ago with a 3rd dynasty saw part. That's the dynasty before the pyramid builders.

@GloryToHisName

Here is a chart of the Ezekiel 39 framework, I made.

Thanks all, so much, for your input here!

Things have evolved, insomuch that I have spoken to the elders about how I feel about their sermons etc, and I have given this many months of prayer.

I believe God is working through me, via this church, and so will stay for now.

I am still looking to visit local churches, only because this one is kinda far from me and I think it's important to support local churches and the community, but I don't want to leave until I feel God has instructed me to do so.

God bless you all!

Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

Personally, I'm a very open book and have no fear of judgment because I know that we are all sinners and I do not judge others for their sin but try to instruct them in the ways of Christ.

That being said, I am reading that many are embarrassed or ashamed so this once popular action is not very popular, anymore?

I'm not sure it was ever popular in Protestant churches but I haven't lived since the beginning of when they were formed so am not an authority on this point.

Furthermore, is this why Catholics confess to priests?

Thanks, as always, for helping me! I know I always have lots of questions but you all are very good to me with your assistance.

God bless.

Race matters only to humans.

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Apple Sky said:

Yes one can. Impossible for many reasons outlined in the following video.

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Back to the anti-christian Eric "the idiot" Dubay.

seeking.IAM said:

My son who hires for one of the biggest tech companies laments that American candidates often just aren't the best in the applicant pool. Should American companies settle for less than the best just because they are American? Is that the way for your company to race to the top?

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While that may be true for you son's company, there's no shortage of companies (that are non-tech, but have an IT department) who have HR staff who are so technically illiterate that they wouldn't spot even the most glaring red flags during interview processes.


This is a true story...

An applicant applied with my company ("my" as in the company I work for, I don't own it), and as I noted in my previous post, the 2nd interview always involves a Sr. tech person to sniff out any excrement.

There was a guy from India who applied with us and did a virtual interview, and no joke...in the interview stated he was an expert in "hatchtemel"...what's "hatchtemel" you ask? That was him phonetically pronouncing "HTML" despite having no clue what it was upon further probing lol...and his code sample that we ask everyone to submit was an "easy to find online" template that he downloaded off the web, and attached the zip file to application.

According to his LinkedIn, he ended up being a "technical coordinator" for a graphic design firm in the greater St. Louis area a month later and then "#OpenToWork" a few weeks after that. So not every company is checking this stuff until it's probably too late lol.

Michie said:

The parents are not teaching them either.

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Yup! You’re spot on!