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Trump promises $2000 tariff dividend to all Americans

Well when you consider that all of the people who are upset about it will of course refuse the money, it won't turn out to be so much.
Who is upset about it? Gimme my money! I bet $2000 could buy a whole bunch of these:

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White House displays lawn signs highlighting illegal immigrant crime

White House displays yard signs of the 100 'worst illegal immigrant criminals' arrested in Trump's first 100 days​


The White House lawn is lined with posters of 100 of the "worst illegal immigrant criminals" arrested in the first 100 days of President Donald Trump's second term.

"Good Morning from The White House!" White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt wrote on X on Monday morning, sharing video of the posters, which say "arrested" at the top and appear to have a mugshot or other photo of the person followed by the label "illegal alien."

The bottom of the poster lists a crime the person is accused of committing, including rape, murder, sexual assault of a child, lewd acts in front of a child, and distribution of fentanyl and illegal guns.

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And yet, Trump pardons the man convicted of trafficking over 400 tons of cocaine and still had 40 years to serve. How many Americans did that cocaine kill?
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Denaturalization

I've been reading lately about suggestions to denaturalize legal immigrants. The Trump administration has already been working on revoking green cards and deporting legal immigrants in certain cases. I'd like to know what people around here thing about this, and specifically how far the government should be able to go.

Should the government be able to denaturalize legal immigrants if they've committed crimes in the US? Or for any reason at all? For that matter, should the government be able to revoke the citizenship of citizens born in the US and deport them? Although discussion of babies born in the US of illegal immigrants would deserve another thread, I wouldn't consider it to be off topic here.

Personally, I am currently against denaturalization unless fraud was committed during the application process (as per 8 U.S.C. Section 1451). As far as I'm concerned, once you're a citizen, you remain a citizen unless you voluntarily move out and revoke your citizenship.

Now, this isn't meant as a criticism of the Trump administration. They're exploring the legality of denaturalization, and that's fine. I would just hope that they run into a hard legal wall.

I have a question and I’m confused

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you appear to be in a state of confusion in that post. Did you want to be specific about how you came to that point.?
the churches you listed disagree on many things. This person is asking for advice but you can’t tell him which church is the real outgrowth of the Pentecost church. There is only one church composed of people that all know and speak the same things, unified in doctrine. I don’t see that in this world. What I see is confusion.
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Shouldn't Creationism be taught at public schools?

Oh, I meant the idea that the universe was created by a higher power. It doesn't have to be the Christian God specifically. Probably be better if schools took a deistic approach.
That would be O.K. for private schools. But government can't support religious doctrines, even vague new agey ones.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

What I was asking for initially was what the Christian motivation could be for judging the killing of those two men a righteous act. You get all uppity when I bring Christanity into it, but even atheists who think interdicting those boats by just blowing them up is OK, draw the line at circling around to kill the survivors in the water. The only people who I have talked to about it who think such an action was righteous have been Christians.
Thou shalt not murder is the law. The question is, is it murder? The government has deemed it just to kill those attempting to bring poison into the country which will kill and destroy. God has deemed that government has the obligation to put fear into the hearts of evil doers to protect its people. And even God makes allowances for killing of evil doers by the governement. This is why you should not get into a debate over Christian matters. You dont know enough. You only have an opinion. And in the matter of Christian law and teaching you are ignorant.

Right now, the debate is whether or not it is allowed by law. The law apparently is not clear on the matter. Maybe the Supreme Court will make a ruling on the matter and settle the debate. If it does then we should accept that and move on.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Beforehand? My post was in respond to 1 Peter 4:6. Abraham was still saved by his faith.
FAITH IN WHAT ; GOD, Christ and the gospel. The gospel is believed in by faith. Look up the word gospel in a concordance , read those verses, then you will see.
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Relative of Trump Press Secretary taken by ICE

curbing the runaway inflation

Trump's 2020 CARES Act (Stimulus Package): $2.2 Trillion
Trump's 2020 Second COVID Stimulus Package: $900 Billion
Biden's 2021 American Rescue Plan Act: $1.9 Trillion
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Trump Total: $3.1 Trillion
Biden Total: $1.9 Trillion

Estimates from MIT and the FRED say that government stimulus accounted from somewhere in the range of 30-40% of the inflation which was experienced after the pandemic.

While I agree with you that the Biden administration should have stopped the stimulus (or, at the very least, been more targeted with it), I don't think either party can claim complete innocence here. I guess you could say that since Trump had already done stimulus Biden shouldn't have piggybacked on that. I think that would be a valid point, but I still don't think you can lay the inflation which happened entirely at the feet of the Democrats.

Also - can you explain how Trump "curbed" inflation? Inflation rates had already fallen before he took office - as shown by the graph below, which ends at CY2024. If anything, we very likely have Trump's tariffs to thank for inflation remaining sticky throughout 2025.

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What is the true congregation?

Matthew 16:18-19 And I tell you, you are Peter,[a] and on this rock[b] I will build my church, and the powers of death[c] shall not prevail against it.[d] 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,[e] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” RSVCE

Jesus and the Apostles spoke Aramaic. The name given to Simon Peter by Jesus is the Aramaic "Kepha," transliterated into "Cephas." "Kepha" means "Rock" in Aramaic. This Aramaic name is preserved within the Koine Greek Biblical text. Thus Jesus said "You are Rock and on this Rock I will build my Church." That is, Jesus used Rock twice in the same sentence. Had Jesus wished to show what you contend he simply could have said "I am Jesus and on this Rock I will build my Church." God renaming someone, such as Abram to Abraham, often comes at an important moment in Biblical history.
Jesus is the chief cornerstone, Jesus was referring to himself after Peters confession that Jesus was the Christ, the son of the living GOD. Its not the church of Peter. Isaiah 28:16 Psalm 118:22 Acts 4:11 1 Peter 2:6 The word used in Greek allows for the use of the word “but” Strongs G2532 . It makes no sense for anyone else but the messiah to be the rock. The church can’t be built on an ordinary man. When Jesus said, but upon this rock, he was referring to himself.
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Had Mary guessed about resurrection ?

Mary is the woman that tells Gabriel yes, likely assents this yes is valid for her son too, at least as long as Jesus 's not given the signal for the end of her protection, when she, with Joseph, finally discover him in the temple.

I feel it like Jesus' protection switches then from hers to God's, and she tells "yes" to this change as well.

Which makes me assume she tells yes to the death of Jesus too. Actually, i'm not sure, and thus is it i have a question please :
Hadn't there been this episode of his 12 year od in the Temple, wouldn't have Mary tried and avoid the cross for him ?

And, second question :
what makes me subsequently wonder whether she'd not guessed about resurrection is this trustful yes of her, for her giving birth to the son of God, for her accepting God's protecting takeover of the 12 year old Jesus, and finally this death, is (at least in my opinion) to make sense or consistency with the plan God gives through Gabriel's initial speech.
So, do you think, please, she could have guessed about resurrection, since it seems it was the only option that could make sense for her after the cross ?
(Actually up back to recently, i considered the three days for the finding Jesus in the Temple was linked with the three days for resurrection, but i just saw this as a mean for her to not fall in despair, whereas i question myself now up to what preceeds)

Sorry i wonder whether i shouldn't have post this thread in christian apologetics..

Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

The Japanese were attacked by US forces because they were at war. They were a threat to American lives and their ship destroyed. Thirty nine survived the attack. Maybe you'd say that the situation with the drug runners was the same (you'd be wrong, but we'll assume that would be your view). So their boat was destroyed and two survived. For over an hour: US airstrike survivors clung to boat wreckage for an hour before second deadly attack, video shows

'Two men who survived a US airstrike on a suspected drug smuggling boat in the Caribbean clung to the wreckage for an hour before they were killed in a second attack, according to a video of the episode shown to senators in Washington.'

So this wasn't even a one-two strike. The boat was destroyed, most occupants were blown up and people watched two men struggling in the sea for over an hour. And then decided to kill them in cold blood. Trying to defend this is unconscionable.
We’re the drug runners in a life boat?
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Listen to and Follow Jesus

God through and in Jesus is dynamic enough to transform the hearts into submitting and doing what is pleasing and compatible to his will through the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a dynamic companion and helps to work the miracle of changing the hearts. soon or later a believer becomes transformed. its a promise. IT WORKS. and the arguments become less an less ..the heart of man transitions into wanting to please the Father, nothing we can do can overpower the power of God..this is what it means..Gods will is to save you..your GOING to be saved! He wills it! and so much of man is about doubting he can do it..and that, somehow, binds us, in our doubts. and for good reason..
We can not overcome the feverish drive of our compelling will to want ..want, want..Only God has the formula to change our heart. Its our believing and surrendering to him to DO it..letting HIM..trusting him..praying in a posture of surrender..turning off the mind and letting in some HOPE ..in that time when temptation grabs hold..the praying posture of the heart. light the candle in your heart..and get real close to it..enough to feel its flame, let that flame be all you focus on..let it be a representation that you are trying to get close to him..its just about all we can do..is hold on..look to him..draw close to him..and like a candle, you can feel its flame ..even if its small..take comfort in the idea its alive...and you can still see and feel it.

Yea man can screw around and mess things up..but God shows us in our ongoing relationship with him that he is in charge of whats right for what HE wants for us.. His grace is known as to how long its going to take for us to figure that out., one on one. I know others can and do sin..they are doing it to themselves and God is right in there face about it.
No one can escape. Sometime they look like they are getting away from God, Its sad to see ..
I know God is going to bring all to his glory in the end..and what better end is that to know yea?
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‘Someone Call a Priest’: Sacraments at Time of Crisis Are Not Administered as Often as They Used to Be

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The Register contacted pastors across the country asking the question whether emergency personnel call them to life-threatening situations. For the most part, the answer is No.

When a multi-ton pile of clay covered a steam-shovel fireman in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in early December 1952, a 40-year-old Catholic priest had himself lowered upside down into a hole workers had dug to try to save the man.

“Only the tips of the priest’s heels were visible as his murmured prayers were heard above,” The Boston Globe reported the next day. Only a portion of the man’s leg was visible when the priest first got near him, and by the time workers freed the rest of Elpidio Baia, a 55-year-old father of three, the accident victim had died. But Father John Tierney’s efforts to bring him the last rites of the Church are an example of what used to be common — police and firefighters calling a priest to an accident so he can administer sacraments to the critically injured.

Priests still frequently offer confession, Eucharist and anointing of the sick at hospitals, of course, but not so much at the scenes of accidents. The words “priest called to the scene” and similar phrases appeared in many news stories in the United States during the last century until the late 1960s, when they started tapering off, according to searches of online databases conducted by the Register.

It’s not common anymore.

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I have a card in my wallet that says that I’m Catholic and to call a priest in case of an emergency. I think I got it from Rugged Rosaries.
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Why Are So Many Young Priests Leaving Ministry?

I hope my priests don’t feel this way but they aren’t just recently out of seminary. They are probably in their 60’s or 70’s. We did have a younger priest who’s probably in his mid 30’s now who‘d been transferred. He seemed to have adjusted well to priesthood but you never know what people are thinking and feeling.
We must pray for many more young men to join the priesthood! Also related, many young men and women to join the religious life!

Lord, hear our prayer!

I’m 30, and one of the priest at my parish is younger than me. He was ordained this past year. I think he’s maybe 27 or 28?
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

Well, you must remember, I read your posts, so I know your stated religious philosophy according to your own words. According to your stated religious philosophy, God's LAW was "NEVER" relevant to the Non-Jew.
Hentenza is right on that the Sinai covenant was never relevant to Gentile nations. A mixed multitude came out of Egypt, and it appears they all accepted the covenant. Any Gentile who entered Israel was permitted to become a believer. God never subjected any other Gentile nation to the covenant He gave Israel.

Jesus' command to the disciples was to go into all the World and spread the Good News. I have yet to discover any nation that has upheld the Sinai Covenant. None of them follow the 613 rules given at Sinai.
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