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What's the statute of limitations on spoilers? The book is literally been around for a hundred years, for cryin' out loud!And I was having a good morning up until reading this that.
After recent events I thought I'd get the book. Been meaning to read it for some time (haven't seen the film even though it was shot in Sydney and I watched them building a couple of the sets). But hey, has this guy never heard of spoiler alerts?!
Ewww.First off, this missive deals with some touchy subjects, and while I have gone way out of my way to try to tone it all down, and make it as acceptable as possible, some folks here may take offense to it. It is not my desire or purpose to offend anybody, nor is it my purpose to break the forum rules. So, Moderators, if you feel this steps over any lines, please don't ban me, just delete this post with my blessings, okay? For the rest of you, if this remains open for viewing, it will give you sort of an idea of how my warped mind works.
I was doing some research on ancient Irish archaeological sites. There is a lake in County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland, called Lough Erne. In the lake is an island, called White Island, on which are the ruins of a late 12th-century church, which was itself built upon the ruins of a much earlier monastery. The monastery was raided, sacked, and razed by the Vikings in 837 A.D.; what was left of the buildings were gradually covered over by dirt and grass and forgotten.
About 400 years later, a small Romanesque church was built on the site, and as construction was going on, eight stone carvings were discovered, buried in the ground---most likely, remnants of the old Viking raid. The figures were deemed to be of sacred nature, and therefore, the builders of the church decided to incorporate them into the structure of the new building. They were built into the inside south wall of the church, where they remain to this day:
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Since no explanation has ever been found as to who or what these figures represent, there has been speculation for centuries about them. The church itself was abandoned and fell into ruin towards the tail end of the 12th century, so any records there might have been are long gone. Some of the figures are presumed to be St. Patrick, a monastic abbot, Christ, the biblical King David, and maybe an ancient Irish sub-king. But nobody knows exactly, for sure.
Here's where things start to get weird.
While researching all this, I discovered that many authorities believe the first carved figure (below) to be what's called a sheela-na-gig.
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"What's a sheela-na-gig?" I hear you ask. My question precisely!So I did some research, and found out that a sheela-na-gig is an "architectural grotesque" that adorns the doorways and cornices of many ancient churches in Ireland and Europe, some as far away as Spain. It depicts a nude woman, usually sitting in a childbirth position, with her legs bent or upraised, and her hands pulling open her....um.....reproductive regions for display.
The closest translation of the name is something along the lines of "old hag of the breasts". There are various explanations for this specific type of carving; the usual one is that they represent an old legend about a woman driving away the devil by exposing herself to him and scaring him away (I said it was an old legend). Another story is that they are a carry-over from pre-Christian times and represent female power and fertility and all that sort of thing. In any event, they were seen as guardians or protectors of a sort, and they were incorporated into many, many churches, and were thought, by the more superstitiously-inclined, to bring safety and good luck. Nobody got upset about them until the über-prudish Victorian age, when hundreds of them were destroyed. Even at that, hundreds of these things remain, all across Ireland.
Okay; it gets weirder. So then, in the midst of this, I find out that the sheela-na-gig is similar to some figures found on Hindu temples in India and across south Asia, called yonis. Apparently, a yoni is a representation of the Hindu goddess Shakti, which deals, again, with birth and reproduction and female power and feminine prowess and so on. Evidently, the word yoni eventually became a common term for the human vulva/vagina. (I told you this was weird.) There are carvings on Indian temples of, again, females in childbirth positions, legs spread and the groin area exposed, somewhat similar to the sheela-na-gigs. Here are two examples, which I have toned down by blanking out the naughty bits:
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Still with me? Onward we go, weirder and weirder yet. While investigating all of this, I came across something called a "yoni egg".This is literally a chunk of semi-precious stone (jade; amethyst; quartz; opal; jasper, etc.) that has been shaped into the form of a bird's egg, smoothed and polished to the consistency of a stone from a rock polisher. In some circles, apparently these objects are used by women for health or holistic purposes; they are inserted into the vaginal canal (yes, really) and are carried around while the woman performs what we would call Kegel exercises all day long to keep it in place. This, in turn, is supposed to tighten the muscles and walls of the cervix, etc., and result in better coitus, and, if you believe in all of the New-Agey "powers of the crystal"-type nonsense, some sort of spiritual benefits as well.
Here's where it gets embarrassing.Upwards of some thirty years ago, I was in a curio shop, and I came across an ornament that I thought was pretty neat; it was my favorite color (blue; I think it's made from lapis lazuli), so I picked it up for a couple of bucks, and I've had it ever since.
Guess what? Yep, you guessed it. The "ornament" that I picked up all those years ago is actually one of these yoni eggs:
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Ooopsie. How was I supposed to know?I just thought it was a pretty stone egg. I had no idea what the thing was actually supposed to be used for. When I told my wife about this, she nearly died laughing. She said, "Well, dear, I guess we can safely say it was not meant for you!"
Thanks, honey.
The moral of the story: when you start researching something, be real careful, because it may lead you in directions that you wouldn't have gone anywhere near if you'd had any idea where you'd wind up when you started!
Yes you made a comment about Trump, not @YarddogDid you read my comment?

What would you have preferred them to do? How do you see the charge to evangelize?
Aversion to proselytism seems to be a secular and rather anti-religious dogma. The reason someone within a secular culture would be averse is because they would be taught by secularism that proselytism involves insincerity and an objectification of persons. But anyone who is a Christian believes in evangelization and arguably proselytism, and there is no reason to believe that evangelization must be insincere or involve objectification. Many would take it as a compliment that someone cares enough about them to broach a subject they deem serious. That someone cares enough about you and the faith to take it all seriously.
(I am presuming that this person does not know that you are a Protestant Christian, and maybe that's part of the difficulty here.)
Okay he’s never done anything, all his buildings were built by someone else, he’s a terrible businessman but he’s worth $7 billion.You're not right. You gave your figures in today's terms: 'That's an equivalent of $400 million in TODAY'S dollars.' Your emphasis. So you compare it to what he has today. Even if it was $100m when he started then he's increased by 70x. I still beat him. And I haven't had any companies go bust and I paid all my taxes and haven't been charged and convicted for cheating on my income.
Exactly. God has made irrevocable promises to Israel, which make no sense when people try applying them to the church or ignore altogether. I think it’s very important for Christians to rightly divide the scriptures and understand that there are three groups of people; Jews (Israel), Gentiles (non-Jews), and the church (born again believers-Jews and Gentiles).
“After the Cross a new entity came into existence—the church that Jesus Christ promised He would build (Mt 16:18). As a result, there are now three divisions of mankind: Jews, Gentiles and the church. Paul tells us that we are to “Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God” (1 Cor 10:32). It is absolutely essential to understand that these three groups exist side by side in today’s world, to distinguish between them, and to recognize that God deals with each differently.”
Oh my goodness, brother--READ IT! Mind you, I've quoted it innumerable periods of times. I will do it again and underline the point....
Luke 21.5 Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, 6 “As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.”
7 “Teacher,” they asked, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?”...
20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."...
32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
There are 3 perfectly clear things said here, though anybody can argue anything until they're blue in the face.
1) Jesus said the Temple would be destroyed.
2) Jesus said the Temple would be destroyed in his generation.
3) Jesus said Jerusalem would be surrounded by armies, preceding its destruction.
We *know* that the Roman Army surrounded Jerusalem in Jesus' generation and proceeded to destroy it and the Temple. So yes, Luke is explicitly indicating that the armies of their own generation would destroy Jerusalem and the Temple. That positively describes the Roman Army.
If you're just arguing that Luke doesn't use the word "Roman" I think you're being "difficult." Luke wouldn't want to write "Roman" in the presence of Roman overseers who would jail him for insubordination or even sedition.
Who was Israel's "enemies?" Obviously, it was Rome.
It wouldn't give him the craft skills necessary to build an ark.I am not just talking about the building of the Ark. But the purpose and its use and everything like that. So what about Noahs knowledge from God about the flood and all that. Was that not knowledge that material sciences could not give him.
Because the shutdown needn't affect SNAP benefits. It only does because the Republicans want it that way.The Democrats are willing to keep the shutdown going regardless of SNAP being paid out or not.
Trump can say that he "lacks the legal authority" to provide funds, but he's lying.As of November 8, 2025, the Trump administration is actively seeking to withhold a portion of the funding needed to fully pay for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits for November amid a government shutdown. The administration argues it lacks the legal authority and sufficient funds to provide the full amount. - Google
Only the Democrats signing the CR will result in an immediate resolution to SNAP and 1.5 civil servants finally getting paid.
You obviously have no interest in a real discussion if you can’t provide references for your own bullet points.Non responsive.
Yeah, I guess it’s like living near to railway lines, and after a while the noise of the trains doesn't bother you.For more than five years I lived less than 500 feet from a mosque. There was a second one located within a half a mile. Once you become used to it, you rarely notice the call to prayer.
I didn't miss the point, I just don't find it compelling nor very interesting. You don't seem to understand what is truly at issue, because you think that being able to explain the social-emotional elements gives you an explanation of morality. But it doesn't, because there is nothing to ground morals in when disagreements come up.But both you and Hume have missed the very point that @Hans Blaster, @Bradskii, and I have been trying to explain to you. That's that our sense of morality isn't simply reasoned to from nothing. It's born out of that innate sense of justice and mercy to which Micah alludes in the OT, and Paul describes in 2 Corinthians as not being written with ink, or chiseled in stone, but rather written on the hearts of men.
It doesn't even begin there, you've just got a gloss that explains mechanics and no real means of evaluating what it is that makes something moral.However @Hans Blaster is correct that while our implementation of morality begins there, it unfortunately doesn't end there. For it's then up to people to apply that innate sense of right and wrong to the everyday world, and that's where that still small voice can lose out to the misguided reasoning to which we as humans are all too easily swayed.
Sure, but even "justice" requires some way to reason from is to ought. Otherwise we're just slinging mud where my emotions are in combat with yours.Yes, morals can change from culture to culture, and time to time, but so long as they keep to the goal of doing justly and loving mercy then they're in keeping with the will of whomever it is to which Micah was alluding when he said to walk humbly with thy God.
All this is doing is taking the "beg the question" option as a legitimate route to morality by assuming that our moral feelings are moral truth, and invoking the naturalistic fallacy that because they came about naturally(through evolution) they must be correctThe important thing to remember however, is that people don't reason to morality from nothing, they just sometimes reason away from it.
This is utter nonsense which excuses Kirk from the things he said. He said extremely offensive things time and time again.I think the framing of Kirk in terms of the political and the Christian is a false analogy. Selecting out specific comments as a representation of the whole person is wrong. A person can be a Christian and hold a misinformed opinion.
That perfect being can love-He is love- and can delight as that imperfect being falls in love with love and becomes perfected in love by the power of His grace. Love, necessarily, is both a gift, and a choice, of ours-and one that grows as we express or "invest" that gift. That perfect being revels as man blossoms into fulfiling his purpose, to become increasingly like Himself. That's the nature of love, to want the very best, the highest good, for the other.Can a perfectly holy and righteous being delight in that which is less than perfectly holy and righteous (man), more than that which is (Himself)?