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Brother Del said:

In regards to airplane windows, they are all convex, much like the lens on a go pro camera. In other words, you are looking out a curved window, not at a curved earth.

Ships don't disappear over the curvature of the earth, they advance beyond your visual perspective. Have you ever been on a long narrow highway lined with telephone poles on both sides? Look ahead or behind, the poles will grow closer together and closer to the ground from your perspective. Drive down the road a mile and those same poles will be at the same height and distance from one another as you originally perceived them. Aim a camera with a telescopic lens at the ship you watched disappear beyond the horizon, magnify the zoom and it will return to view.

You plainly stated "the fact that the earth is a sphere is not up for debate". Then why may I ask are you debating it here? If you are convinced that your view of the cosmos is the correct one, and all other viewpoints are " absurd", then what is the point of further discussion?

You mentioned that it was God who created a spherical earth. It was also God who created the first humans, Adam and Eve. He created them in His own image and placed them in the garden called Paradise. They were perfect and innocent and had the presence of God Himself with them regularly. And yet, these magnificent creatures who were blessed beyond measure, and created in the very image of Almighty God, were somehow deceived by nothing more than a few simple statements and suggestions.

We live in a fallen world, with fallen natures, not a paradise but a cesspool run by none other than Satan himself. Our enemies, the world and the devil, exist in complete opposition to everything that is holy and good and true. Our enemy the flesh is so easily tempted and corrupted that we must continually guard our hearts and minds against not only the world and the devil, but our own vain thoughts and imaginations. And yet, in light of these obvious spiritual realities, your average believer cannot even allow for the possibility that this evil and fallen world in which we live, just may be misrepresenting Gods creation, how such misrepresentations would obviously benefit them, or that ever falling victim to such a misrepresentation could ever be possible.

I have already asked, why are you here if there is nothing to debate?

Have you ever wondered why we are here? Do you think those of us who disagree with you come here because we enjoy the insults, being called idiots and wingnuts and repeatedly being accused of having no discernment or wisdom and many times even being told that we can't even possibly be true Christian believers etc etc? Are we masochists? Trolls? Enemies sent by the devil himself to stir up division? No to all of these.

I can't speak for anyone else, though I know enough people who share my views to confidently say, we are here because at some point in our lives we realized that this world is an empire of lies, ruled by none other than the father of lies, and that a great deal of what we have been told our entire lives served no other purpose than to distract and deceive us into accepting and believing even more lies which would eventually separate us from any knowledge of Almighty God, His creation, His divine purposes, and ultimately His very existence.

That what you call science, and established facts have already had this effect is beyond dispute. The theory of evolution being a prime example. How many people will never believe in God based upon that one scientific theory alone, how many others raised in the faith have abandoned that faith because of the things they were taught as facts during the process of higher education? God only knows.

We are here because at some point we realized that what we were told did not align with what we have observed. Do we claim to have all the answers, of course not. What we do have are a wealth insufficiently answered questions. And the God given ability to question those things which we can observably see as unsupported by the commonly accepted answers provided by the so called scientific community and generally accepted by the indoctrinated public at large.

God bless you.

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I absolutely agree with you 100 percent, I couldn't have put it better myself, good work

Jesus spoke out against all sin. He just didn't list them all. Did he need to?

Servus said:

They are tired, lazy tripe.

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It feels good knowing you’re just as tired of hearing about him as we are.

RDKirk said:

The bar for the military is "manifestly illegal." If Trump's orders were "manifestly illegal" these matters would not be in appellate court. The courts are still trying to figure out if they are "manifestly illegal."

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Well, the UCMJ says this:
(c) Lawfulness. A general order or regulation is lawful unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders or for some other reason is beyond the authority ofthe official issuing it. See the discussion of lawful-
ness in paragraph 14c(2)(a).

Now, we all know what is contrary to the laws of the United States and for the most part, the Constitution. Some ambiguity may arise as to how much authority that Congress has given to the President in so called National Emergencies. But, it is the military's duty to disobey unlawful orders. We will have some clarity when SCOTUS rules on the case on the docket about using the military in Chicago.

RDKirk said:

And which the military would have, if any had been illegal orders.

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The Navy has more information than the public has but it is their responsibility to report to Congress, if Congress calls for it, and which Congress says nothing has been provided to justify the bombing of boats in International waters.

Nothing in our laws allows for the murder or killing of alleged drug traffickers unless being fired upon.

And some people wonder why the Canadians didn't think 51st state comments were funny.

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A Devil's Advocate said:

The goal of Christianity is to know God. This is something you could spend ten lifetimes in pursuit of and still have barely scratched the surface of everything there is to know about God.

It amazes me the amount of wasted time and energy people put towards this goal of sinning less and ultimately, not sinning at all. Does anyone read the bible for what it actually says, or does everyone read it for what they've been told it says?

If I was to ask you; do you identify as your sinful nature, or do you identify as the good you want to do but struggle with a sinful nature, which would best describe you? Most likely it will be the later of the two. You are the good you want to do but struggle with a sinful nature. Which would align you with what Paul talked about in Rom 7:14-20.
Now say by the power of grey skull, I snap my fingers and suddenly you no longer have a sinful nature. Will you continue to do the evil you do not want to do, or will you only do the good you so desire to do? Obviously, the good you desire to do is all that you are going to do.
Okay then, in your pursuit to stop sinning, what is it you are trying so hard to improve on? The good you already desire to do, or the sinful nature?

The good you desire to do clearly needs no improvement since it already desires to do good. The sinful nature, on the other hand, cannot be improved on. Scripture is vividly clear on this. If it could be improved on, then Paul would not have wrote what he wrote in Rom 7, and the Gospel wouldn't have been necessary.

Before you try and tell me Paul is speaking of before he was saved... this is the real world, not some fantasy. At what point, before you were saved, did you ever struggle between doing the good that God desires you to do and doing evil? The truth is you didn't. You simply did whatever felt good to you in the moment.

Before salvation we are spiritually dead, separated from God. Without spiritual life, there is no desire to do the will of God. Without spiritual life, the desires of the flesh are what rules us. We have no desire, what so ever, to do the will of God. After receiving new life (spiritual life), that is when we are suddenly presented with a dilemma. To now do the will of God.
This new dilemma is the very struggle Paul talks about. And the reason Paul talks about it is to make it clear to his readers that the very idea that we can stop sinning is ridiculous. He states very clearly that sin resides in the flesh. Unless you live in the fantasy world I mentioned earlier, until the day you die, you will remain in the flesh. The flesh is corrupt as a result of sin. And until our corrupted flesh is destroyed, and we are given new non corrupted bodies, this struggle will remain.

The time and energy put towards the goal of sinning less and ultimately not sinning at all, is misplaced, misleading, and ultimately leads us back into the bondage of sin. That time and energy should be put towards getting to know more of God. The logic is simple, if you are doing what you are supposed to be doing, you wont be doing what you aren't to be doing. The more of God you know, the more of God is revealed through you, and naturally, the less you will sin. No effort, no fuss, no worries.

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Knowing God and sinning less go hand in hand; the two being inseparable, in fact. That’s why John takes great pains in his letters to ensure we understand that to the extent that we sin, we don’t know God.

I am presently recovering from a medical procedure I had done at a hospital yesterday which they term a bronchoscopy (a biopsy). They sent a tube of some kind with a robotic camera down my throat into my lung to take pictures and samples of a lung mass (or nodule) inside my lung which they suspect is either cancerous or has an infection of some kind. I should get the results of this in about 3 days, I think. Right now I am a little bit out of it, I have a slight headache, and I am doctoring a sore throat, but progress is being made in the right direction, all glory, praise, and honor to God alone.

But my calling of God, which is to write down what he teaches me each day from my times with him in his word, and to then place these writings on the internet, is not contingent on me being in good health and not having a headache or any other physical abnormality. If it was, Satan would certainly use that against me to dishearten and to discourage me and to keep me from obeying the Lord. For he preys on our weaknesses in hopes that he can take us down and out so that we will retreat and give into the flesh. And so we must put our faith in the Lord to lead and guide us in these times.

For God did not call us to his service because we are in pristine condition. Now we must be followers of Christ for whom obedience to God and dying to sin is our practice, by the grace of God. But God’s calling upon our lives is not dependent on us having lots of book smarts, or us being popular among the people, or us even being well thought of by many. We may be among the rejected, the forgotten, the forsaken, the ignored, the castaways, and not someone who other humans would have thought of or chosen at all. But God chose us, because then he is the one to get the glory, and not us.

For it is by the doing of God that any of us are of faith in Jesus Christ living holy lives, pleasing to God, in death to sin, and in walks of obedience to his commands. Even the faith to believe in Jesus is not of our own doing; not of the will of the flesh of humankind. But the faith to believe in Jesus comes from God, and it is gifted to us by God, and it is persuaded of God as to his holiness and righteousness, and of our sinfulness, and of God’s requirement that we be crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer as slaves to sin, but as Christ’s servants.

Gospel:[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

So, we get no credit for any of it! God gets all the credit and all the glory and all the praise. And that’s the way it should be. And so when God calls you to salvation from sin, by his grace, and to living for him, in ways which are pleasing to him, and then he calls you to his service, follow him wherever he leads you. And he will lead you to holy living and to putting sin to death, by the Spirit. But don’t ignore him just because you think you are not gifted in a particular way, for he can gift you in ways you may never have imagined. He definitely has done that with me in miraculous ways.

Most all the things he has been having me do these past 21 years I had never done before. Yes, I had taught the Scriptures for many years, but not on the internet, and not in writing. I had never posted daily devotions on the internet prior to this calling. I had written a few poems early on in my life, but not like the ones he gives me to write, and never this many. Yes, I majored in music in college, and I did write a tune to one of my poems, but I never wrote songs before like these and then posted them on the internet. I had never done video talks before, or written memes, or books, etc.

So if you have never done something before, and it is an area where you believe you lack giftedness, if God calls you, do not refuse him. For he is able to do far beyond any of us can imagine. He can do the impossible. Like when I started college the first time I was reading on a 4th grade level. I got up to 7th grade level, still with a reading comprehension disability. And then God called me to read all kinds of articles on history, science, politics and all sorts of news articles about what was going on in the world, things I would never have touched before, but he gave me understanding of them.

So, just saying here that we should not refuse God because we think we are not qualified for the task. Yes, we must be surrendered to our Lord, obeying his commands, living holy lives, pleasing to him, and he is the one who empowers us to do that, too. But we should not refuse the callings of God on our lives because we think we are not up to the task or because we never did something before. For he can give us all we need to do what he has called us to do, and in miraculous ways we would never have imagined. Then, all the honor, praise, and glory go to God, and not to our human flesh.

Your Servant Witness

An Original Work / March 13, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Humbly I bow, Lord, before You,
Bringing my requests to You.
May I listen; hear You speaking.
May I follow You in truth.
Gently lead me in Your service.
Guide my steps and strengthen me.
Fill me with Your love and mercy.
May I live for Thee!

Let me be Your servant witness,
Telling others of Your grace.
May I always share the gospel
With those I meet face to face.
May I show the love of Jesus,
Caring for the needs of men;
Be Your servant witness always
For my Lord, Amen!

My desire to be like Jesus,
Living for Him ev’ry day.
May I obey all His teachings
Given me, so I’ll not stray.
Love You, Jesus, Lord, my master.
You are the King of my heart;
Follow You where’er You lead me;
Not from You depart!

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An Original Work / November 22, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Akita Suggagaki said:

I don’t see how anyone can expect this administration to release anything that might be damaging to the president or anyone loyal to him.

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But the Denocrats sure could have. And from everything they gave done to him over the years we know they good and well would have if they had anything. There isn't.

Ellesmere said:

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THE BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM (1994)- the agreement that should have prevented the Ukraine/Russia conflict!

1) With the demise of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in 1991, Ukraine and the other 14 Republics would emerge as independent sovereign states!

2) Four of those former 15 republics, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and the Russian Federation all inherited nuclear stockpiles from the now defunct USSR - upon obtaining the status of a new nation in 1991, Ukraine also found itself to be the unwitting custodian of the world's 3rd largest stockpile of nuclear weapons!

3) The United States, United Kingdom and the Russian Federation proposed that Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine relinquish control of their aging nuclear weapons from the Soviet era in exchange for security guarantees - America agreed to provide political and economic support but would not commit to military intervention!

4) Some Ukrainians opposed handing over these nuclear weapons - given their nation's "tortured" relationship in the past with the former USSR, they argued that these stockpiles would provide the only viable deterrent to prevent aggression along the 1226 miles of joint international border that it shared with the Russian Federation!

5) The majority, however, would view the exchange of nuclear weapons for border security as their best option - Ukraine subsequently joined Belarus and Kazakhstan with all 3 former republics signing the Budapest Memorandum (1994) with the nuclear nations of the USA, UK and Russian Federation serving as guarantors!

6) Fast forward 20 years and in 2014 the Russian Federation reneges on the terms of Budapest Memorandum agreements by occupying the Crimean Peninsula and then promoting civilian unrest in Ukraine's eastern provinces west of the Russian border - perhaps with the added assistance of Putin's military dressed as Ukrainian civilians!

7) In 2022, the Russian Federation directed its military to invade all of Ukraine - after occupying approximately 20% of that nation's territory that included 3 to 4 million inhabitants, the war then degenerated into a standoff, a 21st C version of trench warfare from WW1!

8) Within this context, its paifully obvious that Trump is totally committed to imposing a peace treaty on Ukraine, any peace treaty - given that Russia's Putin has proven virtually impossible to manipulate, the pressure from the White House will be placed on Zelensky to provide this American President with an agreement that will in turn fuel his personal campaign to lobby for his real priority - the prestigious Nobel Peace Prize!

9) President Trump and his Administration appear oblivious to the fact that as a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum, with its exchange of nuclear stockpiles for preserving border security - why should Ukraine which is already in total compliance with the terms of the Memorandum, now be expected to provide additional concessions to the one member that has actually violated it repeatedly?

10) While not providing direct military intervention, America's first priority should be providing Ukraine with all the considerable political, economic and military support at its disposal that would pressure Putin to return to Ukraine's original 1991 borders - which were supposedly already guaranteed under the terms of the Memorandum!

11) Given that Putin already has a history of not honoring past signed agreements, why should the Ukraine allow itself to be pressured by the Trump Administration's into accepting a bad peace agreement, only to find itself in a similar position at some later date - once again negotiating with an adversary that can't be trusted and with supposed allies that continue not to hold the Russian Federation accountable for its actions!

12) With the continued proliferation of nations having nuclear weapons, the problems that continue to plague Ukraine, despite having signed the Budapest Memorandums, will only make those nations in the future that may find themselves confronted, under similar circumstances, all the more reluctant to dispense with their stockpiles - given its role as a deterrent in discouraging nations from engaging in military incursions into a neighbor's territory!

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Take note: acquire nuclear weapons and never let go of them.

camille70 said:

So you are going to dismiss what I'm telling you about my own community? Democrats don't have to tell Black people anything. We have eyes and ears.

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Sounds like youve been bamboozled too. Your life gotten so much better voting for Democrats has it?

camille70 said:

Neither one of them appeared to be groveling. They were grinning in each other's face like they both just found their new best friend.

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You saw the discussion after the meeting. Do you know what conversations took place during the closed door meeting between Trump and Mamdami?

The world's population has grown by 3 billion in 32 years?!

I learn something new every day.

SabbathBlessings said:

The Scriptures do not say the the commandments of God are redefined. When something is used interchangeably it means it works backwards and forwards, not just the one we like based on our own definition of it.

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first we need to look at the context where "commandments of God" is used to understand what is intended. Mat 15 and Mark 7 both quote within the 10 commandments and outside. So we cannot say Christ was trying to isolate the 10, he actually is advocating for capital punishment in his point. We know, however, Christ takes the punishment for our forgiveness (substitutionary atonement) and Christ knew this as well, even though he quotes the capital punishment. So Christ has a far more loaded statement than simply pointing out not keeping a law.

in 1 Cor 7:19, Gal 5:1, Gal 6:15 Paul is making a different point; his use of "what counts" aligns with new tesatment themes of the new creation (he directly says this in 6:15). He is not contrasting Christ, it's his own point, and he is using his own words to make that point. Paul's use is post-resurrection, which carries different implications than before the resurrection. Had Christ mentioned to the Pharisees about the sacrificial law he would be right in calling it a commandment of God too (since it is) but we don't pack this in with Paul's use because he uses it after Christ's resurrection under new revelation. So the two are loaded statements with contextual meaning. Christ's use on the surface points backwards, but we know he packed in a redemptive message, possibly alluding to himself with the capital punishment. where Paul's points forward under the revelation of the redemptive message. The point is they are different contexts and need to be applied differently but that doesn't mean they conflict each other.

Say it aint so said:

What comes out of the white house is the concern. Listen, we banter back and forth about the expected protection provided by white house lawyers or whether they have anything to be concerned about.

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I don't think you understood what I was saying.

Here is the thing about adjunct corps in the military (legal, intelligence, medical, meteorological, et cetera). If the commander has a mission, it is never the job of the adjunct corps to say, "You can't do it." It's their job to tell him how he can do it.

Military lawyers don't say, "That's illegal." They tell the commander how to do it it legally.

The same is true for White House lawyers. They don't say "no," they say "how."

That might even involve first "preparing the battlefield" by taking prior steps to adjust the situation to make what the president wants to do legal, or redefining terms or broadening pre-established conditions. Presidents do that all the time.

These may be things lawyers may dispute in court, but the fact that they must be disputed in court means they are not "manifestly illegal."

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Yet it's clear there are some wearing the uniform who are concerned and just don't want to be put in that position. It's sad the commander in chief rather than reassuring he would never put them in the position of doing anything illegal, instead screams for treason and the the death penalty. It's sad.

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Welcome to CF!

Either Ethics and Morality or The Kitchen Sink subforums may be good places to talk about or debate philosophy. @Sam266 For the topic you mentioned The Kitchen Sink would by far be the better choice.

Welcome!