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Do Not Refuse Him

“See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven.” (Hebrews 12:25 NASB1995)

In context, the one who warned them on earth was Moses. He warned the Israelites who had escaped slavery in Egypt, but who were wandering in the wilderness, against living in idolatry, adultery, immorality, drunkenness, revelry, grumbling against God, putting God to the test, craving evil things, and disobedience to God and to his commandments. But most of them did not listen, and they continued in their sins, and so God put them to death, and they did not get to enter his eternal rest because of their disobedience.

The things that they did in rebellion against God happened as examples for us, and they were written down for our instruction, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved. And we are warned in the Scriptures to not be like them, and to not commit the same kinds of sins which they did, and which they refused to repent of, which brought about their deaths and their eternal separation from God. And we are told that if we hear God’s voice, we must not harden our hearts as they did in disobedience to God.

For, under the Old Covenant or the New Covenant, we must not walk in sin and in disobedience to our Lord or we, as well, will not enter into God’s eternal rest, i.e. we will not inherit eternal life with God. And all throughout the New Testament we are warned against disobedience to God and making sin our practice, that if we do that, we will not have salvation from sin, and we will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. For we can’t just call Jesus “Lord,” but we need to be doing (obeying) what he commands us to do.

And God is now using them as an example to us to not be like them or we will face the same result. He is the voice warning us from heaven. And he is showing us that if we do what they did that we will suffer the same punishment that they did, too. For unbelief is not just a failure to acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord. Disobedience to God and to his commands is unbelief. And faith in Jesus Christ is obedience to our Lord in dying to sin and now living to God, doing what is pleasing to God.

But all of this comes from God, and is not generated in our own human flesh. Our faith comes from God, it is gifted to us by God, and it is persuaded of God as to his righteousness and holiness, and of our sinfulness, and of our need to die to sin and to obey our Lord and his commandments, by the grace of God, and in the power of God, according to the will of God for our lives. Not one of us can be saved from our sins via our own human effort, but faith in Jesus requires death to sin and obeying God.

So please understand here that our salvation from sin and eternal life with God are not promised to us based upon a profession of faith in Jesus Christ only. God warns us in the Scriptures many times over that if we continue in deliberate and habitual sin, and if obedience to our Lord’s commands is not what we practice, that we will face the same punishment as the Israelites in the wilderness who ignored God’s warnings. We will die in our sins, and we will not have salvation from sin nor eternal life with God. Please believe it!

[1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 12:1-2,18-29; Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 10:19-39; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

For Our Nation

An Original Work / September 11, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
Recording Via Gerry Peters, music producer and arranger


Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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Do Not Refuse Him
An Original Work / November 27, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

What's on your mind?

We had Thanksgiving. It reminds me of the Great Banquet promised in the Bible. I ate a lot but didn't overeat.

I'm living for myself instead of God, and I'm afraid of going to Hell.

Whenever I resolve to live for God, it lasts approximately 5 minutes before I revert and do whatever I feel like doing.

Right now, if I were living for God, I would get out of bed, get ready for my day, and start planning next week's lessons for my students. Instead, I'm being my usual lazy self, lounging in bed and spending time on the internet because it's easy and enjoyable. (Correction: It's not enjoyable, but it's enjoyable relative to work.)
You think you're going to hell b/c you don't feel like working right now?

The Bible teaches no one can live for God all the time, we can't do it. Even when we want to, we can often be doing it for selfish reasons. We are saved b/c those in Christ, he has declared righteous based off Christ's righteousness. You couldn't earn it if you tried.

You may find this helpful. We were discussing in church & I read it as well lately, that King Solomon is often known for building the Temple. But do you know what happened? After that he married a bunch of women & then built temples to the pagan gods for them. You don't want to know what those temples meant, what they did there, & what kinds of gods they worshipped. Can you believe that? He lived for God building the Temple & then did some of the worst sins you can think of. God still calls him righteous.

So we see we have great forgiveness & kindness from God & so try to live the best we can & follow what he says b/c of how he's chosen to see us
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

Alternate theory, it is just regular old human fallacies requiring no special explanation.

I'll never be able to beat you religious protectors. Some things will never die.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

The president has just reported that the young lady has passed.
Extremely unfortunate. Looking at both Trump's and Biden's involvement in all of this, I conclude that... I put the complete blame on the murderer, who should receive the full weight of the law.
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

Deuteronomy 5:3 Galatians 3:16-18 Genesis 15:13 You have no idea what your talking about.
You have no idea what you are talking about?

Manners Matter.

The following verses show the Lord our God was guiding man since creation.
Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

The following verses show that this showing that God was and is doing is the law. The hearers of the Law, were doing it because it was Of their nature, their conscience.

Verse 2:13 says the doers of the law shall be justified, not the hearers only. This is in the future tense and the context is connected to verse 16 were it says that God will judge the secrets of men by the Gospel. That premise is stated in chapter 1 were it says in verse 4 that we are given grace for the obedience of faith. The faith that establishes the law (Rom 3:23). The faith the just live By (Rom 1:17) For the word, the law is in our heart and our mouth through Christ. That is the Faith in which we preach. (Rom 10:8; Heb 10:16)

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

Sabbath blessings, your arguments from scripture would have more weight if I were arguing for the abolishment of the Sabbath. That is not true. I say with the Apostles and New Testament scripture that the Sabbath has been fulfilled in Christ Jesus

Do you have any apostolic teaching where they tell us we must continue to keep the Jewish sabbath? If not, then you are speaking of your own inference on the scriptures.
Should we obey Apostles or the inferences of those that claim to be Apostles?

I have read the book From Sabbath to Sunday that was recommended to me by Bob Ryan.
In it, I find no concrete Apostolic teaching that uses Scripture as you do. There are plenty of negative critiques of Iraneus, Justin Martyr and other first and second century Church fathers, but no Apostle can be recorded claiming Christians must worship on the Sabbath


Do you know of or have any such teaching?

The council of Jerusalem in the book of Acts does not even mention the Sabbath. To you, it is the implied, but the Apostles and early Church Fathers contradict that assessment. Why is that?
I have presented my arguments with Scripture, you have presented your arguments with your own words.

There is no such thing as the Jewish Sabbath. People use this to try to lower what the Sabbath is really about- God's holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God thus saith the Lord. Isa58:13 made for man, the word Jesus used means mankind in Greek and Adam in Hebrew. mat2:27 that started at Creation thus saith the Lord Exo20:11 when there was not Jew or Israel just man and God.

I do not need to prove the Sabbath is a commandment of God, because God said so and I have provided a plethora of Scripture. You would need to prove where God said we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment and where He transferred the power that comes with the Sabbath- His sanctification and blessings from the Sabbath, to the first day. God already spoke on this matter, He wrote it Himself, if we can't believe God's own Testimony Exo31:18 and said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19, what I say will not mean anything.

Take care.
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The healing effects of stories

Torn between loyalty to his father’s legacy and Ciara’s worsening condition, Fred agreed to meet Ruggero in the town square. He handed over 'Don Quixote', and Ruggero smugly gave him the antidote.

Fred rushed home, saving Ciara, but Enzo could not be healed. His death left Fred devastated, guilty, and tempted by revenge. Yet he remembered his father’s warnings: vengeance would only bring more harm.

Choosing responsibility over anger, Fred moved to Florence to live with his uncle. There, a dream of his father revealed the truth: the real treasures were not books or gold, but Christian wisdom and virtue. Enlightened by this message, Fred changed his lifestyle. He also began studying agriculture and irrigation, then returned home to rebuild his family’s fortune through hard work and perseverance.

Meanwhile, Ruggero unearthed a chest of gold and squandered it on luxury and idleness. Convinced his wealth would last forever, he lived in excess until years of laziness left him destitute. Fred, by contrast, cultivated vineyards and olive groves.

Twenty years later, Ruggero appeared at Fred’s gate, ragged and broken. Fred recognized him and offered no coin, only words: “The treasure was never the gold. It was Christian wisdom and virtues.” (Finito)
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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

Airline catering workers block traffic and cause disruptions at protest near LAX

Airline catering workers blocked traffic and caused disruptions near Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles on Tuesday. They protested what they alleged were unsafe working conditions and a “mistreatment” of workers by the company Flying Food Group.​
Workers lined the streets of LAX to bring attention to their claims. They blocked traffic and caused chaos on one of the busiest traveling days of the year. Some air travelers were caught in the protest and expressed frustration at the demonstrators, fearing they would miss their flights.​
this is a labor action, not politics.
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AI And Universal Basic Income Can It Actually Work?

The largest portion of the government’s revenue is going to be coming from companies who are only paying a small portion of their profits in taxes which is somehow supposed to be enough to redistribute back to consumers

Move to Europe or Canada and maybe even Japan (if you don't fear North Korea, Russia, China, and random Kaijus).. The only FEW places on Earth UBI might work. However, this reprieve is only temporary.

It's not going to work in USA when the system is strongly favoring the rich over the poor unlike in Europe.

And realistically-speaking, UBI will not work globally - it will destabilize global economy and may even end up in WWIII. Either way, UBI or not, we may just head towards WWIII when global anarchy breaks loose when more people lose jobs and mounting tensions.

The main reason nothing will work is simply because the global production and resources won't be able to tend to all the needs of all 8 billion people in the planet. It works for now because the poor is absorbing the majority of the burden of balancing resource consumption. But if more people gets poor, tensions will be inevitable.

We'll have a class war on our hands, rich vs poor and it can easily become nuclear.

A nuclear Armageddon is inevitable. Or we invent the warp drive and starts colonizing habitable planets in other star systems before that happens.

Bottom line is there's just way too many people on Earth. UBI or even banning AI isn't the solution if we keep growing in numbers uncontrollably like cancer. Ironically, Christians are partly to blame in this problem for failing to see the context of God's command: "multiply in numbers" which doesn't literally always mean reproduction as Jesus reiterated later. I'm not saying reproduction is bad, use sound wisdom. We still need to bear 2 kids per couple to maintain population numbers.
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My son still feels ill

Please pray for my son Jakeb again. He still isn't feeling well. Please ask God to heal him and help him be happy and if it is His will let me hear him talk to his friends or laugh tonight. Please pray that there is nothing seriously wrong. I ask for healing mind and body. I ask in the name of Jesus. Thank you and God bless you. Carmen.

Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

A hellish experience of some sort likely exists. The important question is whether it is endless / everlasting as commonly taught.

It is unlikely that a just God would punish limited people with unlimited torture.
I hope you're right. That does seem more just to me.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

Unlike you, they all believed in the finished work of Christ. They had no faith in redundant sacrifice system or superseded feasts. The thinking behind his actions is shown in 1 Corinthians 9:20-21 for all to see. None could doubt his overriding desire to see his fellow-religionists saved. He testified: And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.”

I don’t see any deeper a meaning than this. Paul writings make it clear that the old covenant arrangement has been superseded by Christ and the new covenant. There was a religious / political aspect to the sacrifices that all Israelis were bound to as Jews in order to maintain their Jewish privileges. I believe Paul yielded to the political requirements – in honoring the God-ordained authorities – but he made no spiritual submission to these abolished rites. I don't believe he recognized the expiatory significance of the sacrifices, as he finally released himself from the religious Judaic baggage he was bound with. He would not have recognized the intercession of the high priest with God for the people because he had a real, perfect and eternal great High Priest (Hebrews 5:6, 9, Hebrews 4:14).

The early Christian Church was under extreme persecution after the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ. Most Jews never embraced Christ but remained committed to their orthodox Jewish religion will all its elaborate rites and laws. The Jews that had accepted the Messiah were still cultural Jews. Their social and religious life revolved around the temple.

As has been said above, James exhorted Paul to show the Jews his Jewishness. After all, culturally and politically, the early Church in Jerusalem were still Jews. They were bound by many customs that would later be abolished.

It’s easier to just accept that the resurrected Christ never told any of the 12 that the law is now optional (Matthew 28:20)

But if you prefer this convoluted thinking to reconcile what you believe, with what went down in acts, be my guest
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Texas A&M fires lecturer, administrators over classroom gender discussion caught on video

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