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Der Alte · 2025-11-10T15:58:47-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Why didn’t you quote any of the passages that do actually support eternal punishment?

“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭46‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than, having your two feet, to be cast into hell, [where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.] If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭9‬:‭45‬-‭48‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬-‭9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.””
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14‬:‭10‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20‬:‭10‬-‭15‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So there is scriptural evidence to support eternal torment. However evidence isn’t necessarily proof and annihilation could be considered an eternal punishment because there’s no coming back from it. As far as your definition of the Greek word aionios that word is used to describe things that are in fact eternal and never ending. Like for example God’s reign, His glory, His kingdom, even God Himself, also the life, redemption, salvation, and inheritance that we receive in Christ. None of these are temporal and yet the word aionios is used to describe them.

As far as Sheol, it’s actually divided into two separate places. Abraham’s Bosom is the place for the righteous, and Hades is the place for the wicked where they do suffer in torment until judgment day when they will be judged then thrown into the lake of fire. So yeah Sheol is temporary, but once the wicked are taken out of Sheol that’s not the end of their punishment. They will either suffer eternal torment in the lake of fire or annihilation, they will not receive eternal life and enter into God’s kingdom. So hell is a real place according to the Bible, hell is just a word invented to refer to the place of punishment for the wicked. And yes Jesus used the word Gehenna but He used Gehenna as an illustration of what would take place after judgement. He wasn’t telling people that their soul would literally be destroyed in the place outside of Jerusalem where garbage and dead bodies were burned.

Could you please provide scripture to support his statement "As far as Sheol, it’s actually divided into two separate places. Abraham’s Bosom is the place for the righteous, and Hades is the place for the wicked where they do suffer in torment until judgment day when they will be judged then thrown into the lake of fire."

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-11-10T15:55:06-0600

rambot said:
Nobody is being forced to do anything; they can continue doing EXACTLY what they've been doing and city rents in nyc would not improve?

Nobody is being forced to do anything except pay a tax if their apartment is vacant.

But they can be forced to pay that tax.

Every landlord is required to pay property tax, regardless of whether the property is occupied or vacant. The city mayor does not have the legal authority to impose additional taxes solely because a landlord chooses to keep an apartment unoccupied.

seeking.IAM · 2025-11-10T15:54:18-0600

Valletta said:
Foreign students are being chosen over our top notch American students. A foreign country donates big time and they expect their students to be accepted. So too there is bias against Jewish and Christian Americans.

My son who hires for one of the biggest tech companies laments that American candidates often just aren't the best in the applicant pool. Should American companies settle for less than the best just because they are American? Is that the way for your company to race to the top?

com7fy8 · 2025-11-10T15:51:11-0600

linux.poet said:
I work around and accommodate the disagreement

Often, I just be quiet. They can see I have not agreed with them.

linux.poet said:
or just act in accordance with my viewpoint to heap negative consequences on them (this only works IRL).

Now, I don't get what you mean by heaping negative stuff on someone because you don't agree with them.

rambot · 2025-11-10T15:49:23-0600

Larniavc said:
I’m hoping the invisible hand of the market means that with all the rich folks selling up to leave for……. Alabama? Means that the prices will drop and the New Yorkers can snap up the properties more easily.

Theoretically, it should happen.

durangodawood · 2025-11-10T15:48:21-0600

Sometime its the "small" things that bring home how sick and corrupt this executive group is.

com7fy8 · 2025-11-10T15:47:19-0600

linux.poet said:
Over and over, I’ve been told that being open to new ideas and giving careful consideration to them before rejecting them is a good idea.

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

I think this includes how we test if we even start to give certain things attention. Stay where our attention needs to be.

Larniavc · 2025-11-10T15:44:53-0600

rambot said:
Who are the wealthy new yorkers going to sell their properties to? Or are they just going to eat the "vacant dwelling" tax that mamdani will put in?

I’m hoping the invisible hand of the market means that with all the rich folks selling up to leave for……. Alabama? Means that the prices will drop and the New Yorkers can snap up the properties more easily.

rambot · 2025-11-10T15:44:08-0600

I just saw New York is home to 250,000 millionaires.
Just imagine how that number skews data when having discussions around "average salaries" in New York.

Should they REALLY be worried about 25 of them leaving?

Aryeh Jay · 2025-11-10T15:43:18-0600

Time to re open the Benghazi files.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-11-10T15:41:09-0600

God bless him for allowing red blooded patriots to roll coal on protesters.

Larniavc · 2025-11-10T15:40:47-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Every host predicted that wealthy New Yorkers would leave the city due to the election results,

I can’t help thinking a few less fatsos eating all the pie means more pie for everyone else.

HIM · 2025-11-10T15:40:26-0600

Carl Emerson said:
Through your theological lense I see why you have to interpret the passage as you do...

Your lense requires you to modify the plain reading of the text - this is a repeating pattern.

Saying doesn’t Make it true.
It is kind of like saying nothing really.
Maybe explain why you think this rather say what you said?

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-10T15:38:40-0600

From a simple AI search:

Politician	Position	Key Statement	Date/Context
Ro Khanna	U.S. Representative (D-Calif.)	"Senator Schumer is no longer effective and should be replaced." Posted on X after the shutdown vote.	November 10, 2025
Seth Moulton	U.S. Representative (D-Mass.), Senate candidate	"Tonight is another example of why we need new leadership. If @ChuckSchumer were an effective leader, he would have united his caucus to vote ‘No’ tonight... Maybe now @EdMarkey will finally join me in pledging not to vote for Schumer?" Posted on X.	November 10, 2025
Rashida Tlaib	U.S. Representative (D-Mich.)	"Sen. Schumer has failed to meet this moment and is out of touch with the American people. The Democratic Party needs leaders who fight and deliver for working people. Schumer should step down." Posted on X.	November 10, 2025
Glenn Ivey	U.S. Representative (D-Md.)	"I respect Chuck Schumer. I think he had a great career... [but] Schumer’s decision to allow a Republican funding bill to pass had surrendered crucial leverage." Called for him to step down at a town hall.	March 19, 2025 (ongoing criticism echoed in November context)
Zach Wahls	Democratic U.S. Senate candidate (Iowa)	"Sen. Chuck Schumer was unable to lead this party at the exact moment when it was time to fight... if that’s the best that Chuck Schumer can do, he shouldn’t stay in the job." Stated on a press call.	November 10, 2025
Nathan Sage	Democratic U.S. Senate candidate (Iowa)	"Senate Dems caved and Chuck Schumer let it happen." Shared in a social media video.	November 10, 2025
Graham Platner	Democratic U.S. Senate candidate (Maine)	"Call your senators and tell them that Chuck Schumer can no longer be leader." Issued in a direct-to-camera video on social media.	November 10, 2025

rambot · 2025-11-10T15:38:34-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
I understand that the mayor, as well as individuals seeking apartments, may support this idea. However, is it legal for a city mayor to force a property owner to rent out or sell their property simply because it is vacant?

Nobody is being forced to do anything; they can continue doing EXACTLY what they've been doing and city rents in nyc would not improve?

Nobody is being forced to do anything except pay a tax if their apartment is vacant.

But they can be forced to pay that tax.

Larniavc · 2025-11-10T15:37:07-0600

rjs330 said:
Yes and Londons a mess right now.

Don’t be silly.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-11-10T15:36:58-0600

Another job stolen from a law abiding citizen.

Delvianna · 2025-11-10T15:36:13-0600

linux.poet said:
Given the amount of times that Israelites are rebuked for being “stiff-necked”, I tend to think that it’s a liability. My “stubbornness” was something my adult companions tended to rebuke me for as child.

Over and over, I’ve been told that being open to new ideas and giving careful consideration to them before rejecting them is a good idea. That way I have a logical or Scriptural basis for what I reject that I can defend in the court of public opinion. In addition, I have also been conditioned to just ignore any hard disagreements where the person will not change and just walk away rather than continuing to get frustrated and angry. I work around and accommodate the disagreement or just act in accordance with my viewpoint to heap negative consequences on them (this only works IRL).

But: is this type of morality Biblical/Scriptural? Or is it just secular programming from the American state that works for adults’ convenience to insert knowledge into kids’ heads and keep them under control?

Some verses to consider:

Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still;
teach the righteous and they will add to their learning. -Proverbs 9:9

Listen to counsel and receive instruction,
That you may be wise in your latter days. - Proverbs 19:20

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is stupid. - Proverbs 12:1

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction. - Proverbs 1:7

So stubbornness is essentially saying you don't want to listen, don't want to consider and you want no other discussion on the matter because you want to keep what you already believe and dig your heels in. Think of it this way, there is only one truth, so even if you hear people out and what they say is wrong, then what they said isn't truth and you can let it go but if you're wrong, then you will be the wiser for accepting the correction. Stubborn people are afraid of being wrong. It's a defensive mechanism because if their beliefs are wrong, their world will crumble so they'd rather not even listen. It's literally as if you're putting your hands over your ears and go "I'm not listening!" Because you aren't even considering what they're saying, you're just automatically dismissing it as false. Who is the main proponent of fear? Satan... so.... all in all I would not say it's a moral virtue, I would say the opposite.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-11-10T15:35:48-0600

rambot said:
Not technically. They have to look mexican and do something illegal immigrants do like wait for a bus or go to home depot.

Or go to work, go to school, go to the doctor, be at home, go shopping, go to a restaurant, and the most terrifying thing of all, speak Spanish in public with an accent.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-11-10T15:34:28-0600

rambot said:
They can fix it up and put in on the market. It's compelling them to do SOMETHING with thier property instead of just sitting on it.

They can choose their path.

I understand that the mayor, as well as individuals seeking apartments, may support this idea. However, is it legal for a city mayor to force a property owner to rent out or sell their property simply because it is vacant?

d taylor · 2025-11-10T15:34:25-0600

Freth said:
Chosen in Him vs Free Will Choice

It is not our human choice whether God chose us in Him or not, that choice is His alone.

He gives us free will to choose Him. I showed this in Ephesians 1:4-6.

Ephesians 1:4-6 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Should indicates human choice. God wants us to choose Him, but it is our choice to choose Him or not and live according to His will.

Predestined → unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself. In other words, John 3:16-17.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Whosoever believeth in Him (believe; human choice) should not perish

That the world (all of us) through Him might (conditional; human choice) be saved

Jesus speaking to the disciples:

John 15:14-16 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

If ye do whatsoever I command you (do; human choice)

That ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain (go and bring forth fruit; human choice)

James:

James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Chosen to be rich in faith (be rich in faith; human choice)

...heirs of the kingdom which He hath promised...

...to them that love Him (love Him; human choice)

The Book of Life from the Foundation of the World

Revelation 13:8 and 17:8 can be read one of two ways.

All names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world.

It is the book of life itself that is from the foundation of the world. Names are written and blotted out as each person makes their choice concerning God throughout their lifetime, once each case is determined.

The question is, which position does scripture support?

In 2 Peter 3 we find that God is long-suffering; He is waiting for all to come to repentance. God has chosen us in Him, but He is waiting for us to choose Him. If all names were written in the book of life, how then are we found in need of repentance?

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Lastly, we have Exodus 32:33, which should settle the issue.

Exodus 32:33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Whosoever hath sinned against me (human choice)

Against me (against God's will)

Sin can cause names to be blotted out of the book of life.

If names are written in the book of life from the foundation of the world (from the beginning), those names would likely be blotted out because of unrepentant sin, and remain blotted out until there is repentance and a newness of life.

Let me state my position so that it is clear. This is my last post. You can agree to disagree, and you can respond with your rebuttal. Let the reader decide through prayerful study of the Bible.

1. God having chosen us in Him is in no way negated by the free will He has given us to choose Him or not.
2. We are not predetermined to be saved or lost. Each of us has a choice of our own free will.
3. If names are blotted out for sinning against Him (Exodus 32:33), then names can be written back in for choosing Him and doing His will.
4. If all have sinned, then our names are not in the book of life (blotted because of sin) until we have repented and live according to His will.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

-

The choosing in Ephesians 1 is not to eternal life, but that believers should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

The predestined us to adoption is not to eternal life, but that believers would be adopted to Jesus as sons having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-10T15:33:56-0600

Furious Democrats Call for Schumer to Be Replaced After Shutdown Cave

Leftists, including some elected officials, reacted with apoplectic rage Monday after eight Senate Democrats caved to Senate Republicans by agreeing to vote to end the lengthy government shutdown.

And while Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer didn’t appear to be directly responsible, as it seemed the eight had negotiated a deal behind his back, the blame for the massive concession was still flowing his way.

“Despite voting against the deal, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) is emerging as the top target for not containing the defections,” Axios confirmed, citing the words of a a number of lawmakers.

“Schumer is voting no,” a senior House Democrat told the outlet. “But that doesn’t mean [a] primary [challenge is] not coming.”

IMHO - They are coming apart at the seams because they eat their own.

rambot · 2025-11-10T15:32:16-0600

eleos1954 said:
Many of the pardon's Biden gave are questionable as well it's not a one sided thing.

Feel free to share your list. I mean of course there will be some...these are people who broke LAWS.

So which ones do you think are questionable?

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-10T15:30:07-0600

This administration has gone too far. It is all about loyalty to Trump. Nothing else matters.

Dan Perez · 2025-11-10T15:29:42-0600

This is what 1 Cor 1:15 says to ALL. !!

# 1 LEST // ME is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means NEVER WILL BE

# 2 ANYONE // TIS. is an INDEFINITE PRONOUN. in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 3. SHOULD. SAY //. EIPON. in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE. , is a SUBJUNCATIVE in. the SIGNULAR

# 4. THAT. //. is a CONJUNCATION

# 5. I HAD. BAPTIZED //. BAPTISMO. in. the AORIST TENSE. in. the ACTIVE VOICE. in the INDICATIVE MOOD in. the SINGULAR

# 6 IN. //. EIS. is a PREPOSITION

# 7. MINE OWN //. ENOS is a POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN is an. ACCUSATIVE CASE is a SINGULAR

# 8 NAME. // ONOMA. is a ACCUSATIVE CASE inv. the SINGULAR. in. the NEUTER

# A That is why Paul would NEVER WATER BAPTIZED NO ONE. because he did not have the AUTHORTY. to water Baptized ANYONE !!

# B. AND the only. ONE. , the 11 disciples in. Matt 28:16 were sent to BAPTIZE. all Nation , which. I says were all JEWS

in the name of. of the FATHER and the SON. and the HOLY SPIRIT !!

And Paul did not have the AUTHORTY. to baptize ANYONE !!

# A And I say that ANY PREACHER of any ASSEMBLY DOES NOT. HAVE that AUTHORTY EITHER

dan p

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