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fhansen · 2025-11-06T09:13:17-0600

Dan1988 said:
Are you serious, I never mentioned the Church,

That's a problem in Christianity, rampant ignorance of history and the teachings of the early church. The church was all there was-it's how people learned the faith, that same faith that came down to my semi-literate grandmother from the foothills of the Italian Alps over a century ago. And she had one of the most simple, beautiful, deep and productive faiths I've ever known.

Dan1988 said:
and I have no idea why you think that Gnosticism is a part of the Body of Christ.

And I never mentioned Gnosticism. In fact, that same church rejected gnostic writings while assembling the canon of the new testament which you possess today, The bible didn’t fall down from heaven in complete form- and the church knew and taught the gospel before a word of the new testament was even written.

Dan1988 said:
The rest of your reply is a patchwork of incoherent unbiblical, Gnosticism. You start out claiming that the new covenant was never intended as a reprieve from mans obligation to be righteous, with or without regard to the law.

This is self defeating and contradictory, because if we are still obliged to be righteous then that brings us back under the "covenant of the law" and not the "covenant of grace". You can't mix the two covenants together, to create a new doctrine

Grace isn't just God's favor; it's His life in us. And if that doesn't mean "improvment" in us and our behavior, as if Jesus just came so we could remain in our sins, then Chrsitasnity would be a joke, a joke of satan's. Turn the question around. Can/should Christians expect to enter heaven if they were to persist in wanton, ergregious sin? A righteous person, with a righteousness made possible only by communion with God, doesn't even need to hear the law in order to obey His will, let alone be under the covenant of the law. Grace produces obedience, making you a slave to righteousness (Rom 6); it doesnt keep you in disobedience, which was the basic, original sin of Adam that separated man from God to begin with!

It's OK to be obligated to be good, to love, to put it best. in the true Christian venacular.

durangodawood · 2025-11-06T09:11:54-0600

Chesterton said:
I agree that's silly. Mamdani's not going to fly a plane into a building (I don't think). They don't use the same tactics twice. .....

You think his goal is to destroy the city as part of an Islamic jihad motivation?

durangodawood · 2025-11-06T09:07:06-0600

probinson said:
Please don't try to tell me that people don't want partisan gerrymandering when just days ago that's exactly what they voted for.

You have a strange problem with the concept of a hierarchy of values.

Obviously CA voters on average want
First: the same rules for everyone
Second: no gerrymandering

They want both. But if circumstances force them to pick just one, its a fair contest by the same rules. This seems sensible to me.

Hentenza · 2025-11-06T09:02:34-0600

HARK! said:
No he wasn't. He was speaking of the lawless. Yah doesn't break out a category of ceremonial law. That is an invention of man.

Here are some telling clues:

1. Yah gave the instruction to obey his Torah. His Torah is an expression of his character; and Yah doesn't change.

God did not change, He merely ushered in a new covenant. The law is not included. Jesus fulfilled it fully.

HARK! said:
2.) This passage was delivered before Yahshua came. Yahshua kept the Torah; and so did his disciples; and he told us to do the same.

Jesus was the ONLY one that was able to keep the law. No one else ever did. Jesus gave us two commandments that enveloped ALL of the law and the prophets.

durangodawood · 2025-11-06T09:01:52-0600

JSRG said:
The Supreme Court ruled that partisan gerrymandering isn't unconstitutional. And I think they were right to do so. Much as I dislike partisan gerrymandering, I don't think it's unconstitutional. And they certainly didn't disallow any commissions from being made.

If anyone's to blame here, it's Congress. Congress has had, since the day the Constitution was ratified, the ability to fix the issue:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

In other words, states decide how to hold their House/Senate elections, but congress can change it whenever it wants, with the obvious exception they have to stick with state borders when it comes to Senators. Congress could require every state to set up commissions to set borders, or any other number of things (proportional representation?) that would solve the issue. This has been a known issue since 1812 when the term gerrymander was first created. Congress has had more than 200 years to do something about this. The blame goes there. (though I suppose if congress did step in, they might just make the problem worse by whatever party is in power gerrymandering every state in their favor)

Not sure I agree.

The manner of holding elections is not the same as what we're voting for. The "manner of holding elections" is Tuesday or Weds. Or all week. Mail or in person.

In terms of what we're voting for, its pretty clear that in principle we're supposed to be voting for representatives. Gerrymandering degrades the concept of representation pretty severely.

CoreyD · 2025-11-06T08:58:45-0600

Derf said:
The thing about starlight is that if it reached earth in the time earth ticked off 4 days, it could have taken millions or billions of relative years in that amount of time on earth.

The thing is, we note that light reached earth on day one. Genesis 1:3-5
So, before God started creating any living thing, light was available on earth.
What was not yet visible from earth, is the heavenly bodies, and that's understandable considering what might have been involved in the formation of the planet.

Derf said:
None of that is on the topic of the biblicity of one or the other. But when the bible talks about "ancient" times, it seems to refer mostly to something within it's own timeline, and commensurate with 6000 or so years.

That is true.
In contrast to the "Ancient of days". Daniel 7:9

lucypevensie · 2025-11-06T08:56:53-0600

Perfect people do not exist.

Clare73 · 2025-11-06T08:56:40-0600

fhansen said:
Most whose theology resembles your own have no problem with "declared" as they believe it refers to a legal change in status only in God's eyes. But I listed two other words there: "reckoned" and "credited". There are two Greek words used in Rom 4 for these concepts (and neither are used in the other passages you mentioned). The words are: elogisthē, used 5 times by my count, and logizetai, also 5 times.

elogisthē: reckon, account, charge, numbered
logizetai: count, reckon, credit, calculate
The only translation offhand where I could find "impute" was the KJV and NKJV, 5 times out of 10, sometimes used for elogisthē, sometimes for logizetai. "Reckon" was used more often than not in all translations, with "counted" or "credited" following.
But the real question here is, why does God reckon us righteous when we believe?

The same reason he reckoned Abraham righteous when he believed.

fhansen said:
Is it because He counts/reckons faith as righteousness, or is it because He merely now sees us as righteous because we believe? And what does impute mean here? How is it used?

fhansen said:
Most whose theology resembles your own have no problem with "declared" as they believe it refers to a legal change in status only in God's eyes. But I listed two other words there: "reckoned" and "credited". There are two Greek words used in Rom 4 for these concepts (and neither are used in the other passages you mentioned). The words are: elogisthē, used 5 times by my count, and logizetai, also 5 times.
elogisthē: reckon, account, charge, numbered
logizetai: count, reckon, credit, calculate

Both words mean "impute," to put down to a person's account.

Logizetai is better translated "reckon/account" (Ro 4:6 8, 11, 22, 23, 24, 2 Co 5:19, Jas 2:23)

fhansen said:
The only translation offhand where I could find "impute" was the KJV and NKJV, 5 times out of 10, sometimes used for elogisthē, sometimes for logizetai. "Reckon" was used more often than not in all translations, with "counted" or "credited" following.
But the real question here is, why does God reckon us righteous when we believe?

The same reason he reckoned Abraham righteous when he believed (Ge 15:5-6).

fhansen said:
Is it because He counts/reckons faith as righteousness, or is it because He merely now sees us as righteous because we believe? And what does impute mean here? How is it used?

"Impute" means to reckon, to take into account, to put down to a person's account.

God reckons (imputes, accounts) us as righteous when we believe because he thereby imputes (reckons, accounts, credits) Christ's righteousness to us (Ro 5:18-19, Php 3:9), just as he imputed (reckoned) Adam's sin to us (Ro 5:14, 17, 18-19) by birth (Eph 2:3).

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-06T08:55:54-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Department of Transportation might be forced to shut down some airspace next week: Duffy
"You will see mass chaos," Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said.

Trump administration will reduce traffic at 40 airports across the US starting Friday if shutdown continues

Ten percent of air traffic at 40 busy airports would be cut, potentially impacting thousands of flights, though the details of how many and which specific airports will be cut was not announced.

The nation’s “core 30” airports – including New York City’s three big hubs, plus major airports in Washington, DC, Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, and across the West from Phoenix to Seattle – are among those on a preliminary list of sites expected to be impacted by the drawdown, an FAA source with direct knowledge of the situation told CNN.

“As we start to implement this drawdown in service. It will be restricted to these 40 high volume traffic markets,” FAA Administrator Bryan Bedford said. “We’re going to ask the airlines to work with us collaboratively to reduce their schedules.”

The airlines were notified of the plan only about an hour before it was announced, an airline source told CNN.

The announcement comes as air traffic controller staffing shortagesduring the shutdown are delaying an increasing number of flights throughout the country. Controllers will miss their second full paycheck next week and some are taking second jobs to make ends meet or calling in sick in protest.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-06T08:55:31-0600

West Bank Christians are mostly Greek Orthodox or Catholic. You won't get much sympathy for them from the conservative MAGA Christians in this forum.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-06T08:54:45-0600

Office meeting

lucypevensie · 2025-11-06T08:53:30-0600

Kill off repulsive egotistical attitudes.

ATTIT

lucypevensie · 2025-11-06T08:49:18-0600

Your mom knows Latin?

RMOM

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-06T08:49:01-0600

probinson said:
Please don't try to tell me that people don't want partisan gerrymandering when just days ago that's exactly what they voted for.

We want the rules to be uniform. Otherwise, being virtuous gets you the reward of getting stomped by the vicious. Trump asked Texas for some additional viciousness, and he has reaped more.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-11-06T08:47:50-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Unless all Americans are willing to pay an average tax rate of 35% - 40%, as is common in many European countries, universal healthcare remains largely a theoretical policy.

You forget that the vast majority of Americans are effectively paying that tax already by covering their own health insurance premiums, either out of their own pockets or as a portion of their total compensation from their employer (or both). The employee-funded portion of my health insurance premiums is about 5% of my income, and that's with my employer covering 75%. If I had to purchase health insurance on the open market and pay the full premium out of pocket, I'd probably be spending 15-20% of my income just on that.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-06T08:47:50-0600

require good food and good people with fun activities.

Do you like to play…

NewLifeInChristJesus · 2025-11-06T08:46:36-0600

Dikaioumenoi said:
Not strictly on grammar alone. I focused on grammar because 1 John 5:1 is a straightforward example of how the perfect tense is typically used with present participles, especially in 1 John. The perfect passive ("has been born of God") describes a completed ontological event with ongoing effects. It's natural to use a present participle ("believes") to describe those present effects. That's the relationship of these verb forms in the vast majority of instances. That doesn't mean the verb forms themselves always indicate that relationship (they don't). But this is a pretty straightforward statement, so the grammar alone should suffice to make the point. If not, the broader context of 1 John reinforces it. This verse reflects a pattern with how John uses γεγέννηται in this letter (e.g., 1 John 2:29; 4:7). He intends the perfect γεγέννηται to be understood as an ontological grounds of whatever present participial action he pairs with it. Notice the pattern:

...πᾶς ὁ ποιῶν τὴν δικαιοσύνην ἐξ αὐτοῦ γεγέννηται (1 John 2:29, "everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him")
...πᾶς ὁ ἀγαπῶν ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ γεγέννηται... (1 John 4:7, "everyone who loves has been born of God")
Πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων ὅτι Ἰησοῦς ἐστιν ὁ Χριστὸς ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ γεγέννηται (1 John 5:1, "everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God")

These are clear grammatical parallels; John is making a point here. So however we interpret one, we must be consistent with interpreting the others. Thus, if 1 John 5:1 is read as faith preceding (or having no logical relationship to) regeneration, consistency demands the same understanding with regards to practicing righteousness and godly love. What then is the purpose of regeneration at all, if the sinner is capable of engaging in these activities prior to regeneration?

So it's not enough to point to "present participle + a perfect" and claim parity between 1 John 5:1 and another verse. That was not my intended argument, and I realize in hindsight it was a mistake not to be clearer on that in the OP. 1 John 5:1 and 5:10 perform different rhetorical functions, so the same forms function differently.

Briefly:

1 John 5:1 uses a perfect passive to name a completed, ontological event, and a substantival present participle to describe the ongoing condition that issues from that event. That's the standard use of the perfect + present participle in the vast majority of cases, and clearly seems to be John's intended use of γεγέννηται throughout the letter.

1 John 5:10 contrasts two present states (ὁ πιστεύων and ὁ μὴ πιστεύων, "believing" and "not believing") and then treats a cluster of perfects as completed acts or testimonies whose consequences follow. Critically, the ὅτι clause ("because he has not believed...") explains why the unbeliever is said to have "made God a liar" (πεποίηκεν). The perfects describe completed acts with present consequence (God's testimony given; the person's rejection).

Put another way: in 5:10 the participles set up the contrast (current believer vs. current non-believer); the perfects then state the results or evidences that attend those states. In 5:1 the perfect states the prior ontological reality that makes the present participial state intelligible. In 5:10, the ὅτι clause is the interpretive key. It exposes the perfects as explanatory/consequential, not as the kind of ontological ground that γεγέννηται functions as in 5:1.

(My emphasis added.) I'm not convinced you understand the difference between the terms logical and temporal, as I've made this distinction in no fewer than four of my replies to you (not to mention the OP itself), and you're still conflating the two. A temporal order concerns when events occur in time; a logical order concerns what necessarily gives rise to what. You can have two events occur simultaneously in time, and there still be logical order between them. For instance, the sun doesn't shine first and then later produce light (temporal sequence); light proceeds from it by necessity. The sun shining, and the ground being illuminated, are simultaneous actions, but that doesn't mean the logical order can be reversed from "the ground is illuminated because the sun shines," to "the sun shines because the ground is illuminated."

So I have no issue with saying regeneration can occur simultaneously with another action. The issue I am concerned with is the logical relationship between regeneration and faith. Is my room illuminated because the light switch was flipped (do I believe because God has regenerated me), or was the light switch flipped because my room is illuminated (did God regenerate me because I believe)? The actions of flipping the switch and the room being illuminated can be instantaneous as I experience them, but that doesn't speak to the nature of the logical relationship between them.

I had hoped that you would see that your OP (copied below for ease of reference) mis-stated the gramatical implications of 1 John 5:1a. And I am glad to see that you have done so.

Dikaioumenoi said:
1 John 5:1a reads:

πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων ὅτι Ἰησοῦς ἐστὶν ὁ Χριστός, ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ γεγέννηται
("Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God")

A few grammatical observations:

First, ὁ πιστεύων is a present active participle functioning substantively: "the one who is believing." The participle presents the subject, and describes a present, ongoing activity rather than a completed act of faith.

Second, γεγέννηται, the main verb of the clause, is a perfect passive indicative: "has been begotten" or "has been born [of God]." The perfect tense is more than just a "past" tense. Its aspectual function specifically points to a completed action in the past whose effects continue into the present.

When the two forms are set in relation to each other, especially with the present participle functioning substantively -- that is, as the subject of the main verb -- the natural sense is that the person who now believes does so as one who has already been born of God. The grammar, therefore, suggests a logical ordering in which the new birth precedes the act of believing.

This does not, of course, deny the simultaneous experience of these realities in human perception, but grammatically the text places regeneration as the root (the logical grounds) and believing as its fruit.

The natural sense of the grammar is not that one who believes has already been born of God, the grammar does not suggest a logical ordering in which the new birth preceeds the act of believing, and the grammar does not place regeneration as the root and believing as the fruit. So, your OP was wrong on all three points. And now you have rightly asserted that it takes more than grammar to make these points.

I can see that faith logically preceeds receiving Him, that receiving Him logically preceeds Him giving us the right to become His children, and that the right to become His children logically preceeds God giving birth to us (John 1:12-13) even though it is impossible to observe any difference in time between these items. And I can see that all the things that pertain to life and godliness are ours now because Jesus lives in our hearts (2 Pet 1:1-4).

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-06T08:46:22-0600

TAYBEH, West Bank — “Come visit Taybeh,” begins the brochure touting the touristic attractions here, the last entirely Palestinian Christian village in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

Though it counts Jesus among its many visitors over the years, said Khaldoon Hanna, Taybeh’s avuncular deputy mayor, these days “no one is coming.”

He sighed as he looked around the restaurant he owns on the village’s Main Street.

“In the last two years, I haven’t had more than 20 tourists come in here,” Hanna said.

How could they, Hanna said, when you have to negotiate a growing gantlet of Israeli roadblocks just to get here? Or face off emboldened settlers who make increasing forays into the village to burn cars or destroy property? In July, they even tried to set fire to the ruins of the Church of St. George, a 5th century Byzantine structure on Taybeh’s hilltop, Hanna and religious leaders said; the Israeli government says it’s unclear what started the blaze.

And the scope of the intimidation campaign is increasing: The olive harvest in October saw 126 attacks on Palestinians and their property in 70 West Bank towns and villages; it was almost three times the number of attacks and double the communities targeted during 2023’s harvest. More than 4,000 olive trees and saplings were vandalized, the highest number in six years, OCHA says.

Madees Khoury, the general manager of Taybeh Brewing Co., is one of those who choose to stay in town, though she knows at least one family gearing up to emigrate in the coming weeks.

“Khalas, you can’t blame them,” she said, using the Arabic word for “enough.” “It’s sad. These are the good people, the ones you want to stay, to build, to educate their kids, to resist.”

That was the ethos driving her family, which opened the microbrewery in the optimistic days after the 1993 Oslo Accords, when peace and a Palestinian state seemed within reach. Instead of starting a brewery in Boston, Khoury’s father, Nadeem Khoury, and his brother gave up their business in Brookline, Mass., and moved back with their kids to Taybeh.

In years past, [the town] was the site of an Oktoberfest celebration that would draw 16,000 people.

Although Israel portrays itself as a model of religious freedom, there has been a rise in anti-Christian behavior in recent years. A 2024 report by the Jerusalem-based Rossing Center for Education and Dialogue counted 111 reported cases of attacks against Christians in Israel and the West Bank, including 46 physical assaults, 35 attacks against church properties and 13 cases of harassment.

“We think that as Christians, nothing will happen to us. But this is empty talk. As long as you’re Palestinian, they’ll attack you,” Khoury said.

After earning a college degree in Boston, she came back in 2007 and has been working at the brewery since. She acknowledges that the last two years have been the most difficult yet, with business down 70% and Israeli security procedures turning a 90-minute drive to the port of Haifa into a three-day odyssey.

DaisyDay · 2025-11-06T08:45:10-0600

Is she still a licensed attorney?

In New Jersey, Trump-Appointed Prosecutor Vows to Hunt Fraud While Bomb Threats Disrupt Voting

Read more here.

www.democracydocket.com

In August, a federal judge found that Habba has been unlawfully serving as U.S. Attorney since July.

fhansen · 2025-11-06T08:45:06-0600

Dan1988 said:
All of that is backward and opposite theology

No, that's Scripture.

Dan1988 said:
it usurps Gods role in salvation and makes it yours and it gives God your role instead, (which is a dead zero).

No, that's what we can do with God now, by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

"With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Matt 19:26.

"I can do all things through Him who strengthens me." Phil 4:13

Amo2 · 2025-11-06T08:40:38-0600

Job 33:6 said:
It's not faith, it's just a demonstrable reality. Hence why no scientist who studies paleontology, anywhere on planet earth, has ever demonstrated otherwise.

And on that note, I'll give you the last word. If creationists ever find a bird fossils in the Cambrian, please let me know. Otherwise, all the best.

No, finding bones and fossils of fully developed and functional extremely complex organisms with similarities will never add up to demonstrable or observable evolution. Nor are the dates applied to these fossils demonstrable or observable facts at all, but assumed according to predetermined deep time scenarios. This because we do not actually know the conditions of the earth at the time of the catastrophic events which created the fossil record which are therefore assumed, nor either that conditions have always remained stable concerning that which is measured unto hypothetical age determination. While we absolutely can and do observe that some things must have been very different in a most obviously very different world at one time.

This is apart from the fact that more and more evolutionists are accepting that catastrophism is the main cause of the huge fossil deposits and geological formations we find the world over, and righty so as the evidence is highly suggestive of such. They all know that fossilization is far more likely to be rapid within the conditions created by catastrophic events, especially as so many seem to be directly related to catastrophic events including major flooding. While they acknowledge this, they simply choose not to go towards a younger earth and or time of these events because it does not fit the deep time narratives they prefer which are necessary to their evolutionary positions.

No, I'm afraid evolutionists are just as dependent upon faith in their theories regarding deep time and evolution, as YEC's are about a much younger earth and a six day creation. We both must make presumptions concerning our views according to our differing faiths in either the word of God in holy scripture, or the word of scientists portraying a different picture, which have been and continue to be proved wrong repeatedly even by their own selves. I am willing to admit my faith in God's word, are you not willing to admit your faith in the word of professed scientists concerning unobservable and or therefore testable historical science?

orbiter · 2025-11-06T08:39:57-0600

Peace in Christ.

Jesus is not in the grave of the man-based churches where many are mortally perishing because they are listening to false prophets who are leading them astray down the broad way that leads to their mortal destruction. MANY are being mortally destroyed. They are the "flock of the slaughter" who are being "pastored" by false prophets. MANY are the "vessels of wrath."

The false prophets lead them away from fulfilling the law and the prophets:

Mat 7:12-15 KJV
(12) Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
(13) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
(14) Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
(15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

The 2 men in shining garments in Luke 24:4 = Moses and Elijah = the law and the prophets.

Luk 24:4-8 KJV
(4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

Why seek the living among the dead?

Why seek the living among the dead man-based churches where His life is not being made manifest in the mortal flesh of any of their congregations?

(5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
(6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,

The Son of man (the manifestation of the life of Jesus in our mortal flesh) is being delivered into the hands (power) of sinful men in the man-based churches and is being crucified. This is a present reality. His life is being extinguished from this earth...and the people of the outside world cannot see His glory shining to them from the dead ...from the man-based churches.

(7) Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
(8) And they remembered his words,

The Holy One and the Just is being denied as His life is not being made manifest in this world. The Prince of life is being killed even though God has ALREADY raised Him from the dead.

Act 3:14-15 KJV
(14) But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
(15) And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

In ignorance do we do this…as do the man-based church rulers...the princes of this age... that are being followed.

Act 3:17 KJV
(17) And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

The church rulers are the “princes of this age” which are coming to nothing....their end is destruction.

If they knew the wisdom of God, they would not CRUCIFY now the LORD OF GLORY who has already been raised from the dead and to glory.

Jesus is risen now. He is alive now so that we might have His life now.

His glory is not being revealed in this world currently (through us) when Jesus has already been raised to glory so that we might shine His glory to the people of the outside world.

1Co 2:6-8 KJV
(6) Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world (AGE), that come to nought:
(7) But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
(8) Which none of the princes of this world (AGE) knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

The princes of this age have been living in pleasure on the earth. They are rejoicing in this “day of slaughter” as the life of Jesus is being cut off from ever being made manifest in this earth by them. They are pastoring the "flock of the slaughter" who are not being fed the truth of the gospel.

Jas 5:5-6 KJV
(5) Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

They condemn and kill the Just One….and He does not resist them.

(6) Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

The gospel is being hid to those who are “lost”….that is, PERISHING.

2Co 4:3-5 KJV
(3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost (PERISHING):

The god of this age …their belly….has blinded their minds so that they cannot understand the gospel of the glory of Christ.

(4) In whom the god of this world (AGE) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ (the gospel of the glory of Christ), who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
(5) For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

The princes of this age come to nothing as their end is destruction….the destruction of their mortal bodies. They are only serving for their belly….their “god”…the “god of this age.” They are taking many with them down the broad way to their destruction as they have no understanding of the gospel and are not preaching it to their congregations.

Php 3:18-19 KJV
(18) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
(19) Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

The Son of man (the manifestation of the life of Jesus in the mortal flesh) is being delivered into the hands of sinful men (rich church rulers…the princes of this age) where they are keeping His life hidden from this world because of their ignorance.

The Son of man is in the “heart of the earth” as the princes of this age are only minding earthly things and have no knowledge of the truth of the gospel. They are serving for their own belly.

Mat 12:40 KJV
(40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

We must come out from among the graves of the man-based churches who have no understanding and are not manifesting the life of Jesus. Jesus is not there among the “dead” for He is risen.

Mat 28:5-10 KJV
(5) And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
(6) He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

We must “go quickly” from them and tell others that He is risen from the dead. We follow Him out of the graves of the man-based churches and into the outside world….the “Galilee”…the circle of the gentiles. He goes before us into "Galilee"...and we must follow Him who is the Way... the Truth... and the life. Only there outside the graves of the man-based churches will we see Him. Only there outside them will we manifest His presence...His glory...to the outside world.

(7) And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
(8) And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
(9) And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
(10) Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

The man-based churches will not understand why you will leave them and will trouble you. But we are not to be afraid of their terror nor be troubled. We are to always be ready to give an answer to every man that will ask us a reason for the hope that is in us with meekness and fear.

1Pe 3:14-18 KJV
(14) But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
(15) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

They will speak evil of us…as evildoers for leaving…but we are to suffer with Christ by not rendering evil for their evil.

(16) Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
(17) For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
(18) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

They will think it “strange” that we will no longer run with them after their church things and will speak evil of us as evildoers. We are to no longer walk according to their will as they served their abominable images. “Abominable idolatries” = abominable IMAGE WORSHIP. They are keeping and serving their images...their church handwritings of ordinances/dogmas instead of keeping and serving the commandments of God which are written upon our hearts and minds.

1Pe 4:3-4 KJV
(3) For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
(4) Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

Think it not strange concerning the fiery trial of us by them. They will speak evil of us for leaving them…but we are not to return evil for their evil so that we are made partakers of Christ’s sufferings so that when His glory shall be revealed (through our mortal flesh to the people of the outside world), we may be glad also with exceeding joy.

1Pe 4:12-13 KJV
(12) Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
(13) But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

We are to depart from the graves of the man-based churches with trembling and amazement…not returning evil for evil…not saying anything to any man...working out our salvation with fear and trembling.

Mar 16:6-8 KJV
(6) And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
(7) But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
(8) And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-06T08:38:46-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Here are the facts that most Democrats and Senator Sanders, who support universal healthcare, rarely share.

In 2024, a 21% corporate tax rate is generated $490 billion; raising it to 60% could yield $1.4 trillion.

In 2022, the top 5% of earners paid $1.4 trillion at a 37% rate; increasing the rate to 70% could generate nearly $2.9 trillion annually.

Medicare and Medicaid cost $1.7 trillion, while switching to universal healthcare could cost $3.7–$4.1 trillion.

Even if corporate tax rates were raised from 21% to 60% or the top 5% individual income tax bracket increased from 37% to 70%, these measures would not be sufficient to fully fund universal health care annually.

Implementing universal health care in the United States would likely require increasing taxes on a broader segment of the population. No Democrat would admit this. They will use term like “hedonism and Pleasure” and the “hedonistic” like you have.

Currently, the average American pays approximately 14.5% in taxes, whereas Europeans typically pay between 35% -40%. To adopt a health care system similar to those in Europe, an increase in taxes for most Americans would probably be necessary.

Unless all Americans are willing to pay an average tax rate of 35% - 40%, as is common in many European countries, universal healthcare remains largely a theoretical policy.

How do we pay for health care now? We pay insurance premiums, copayments and a part of our wages foregone because our employers are paying some of the insurance premiums. The experience in other modern industrial countries is that cutting the employers and the insurance companies out of the loop results in cheaper, better health care access for all. We would still pay for health care, but through taxes rather than payments to the insurance industry.

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