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Fervent · 2025-11-16T03:36:19-0600

Dikaioumenoi said:
a q]I skimmed your latest set of assertions. I will not waste my time responding point by point because the pattern is clear: claims are being offered without engaging the actual argument or evidence I've presented. It is not my burden to disprove your assertions; it is yours to substantiate them. If you want a substantive discussion, raise focused, textually and methodologically grounded objections. Broad dismissals and unfounded accusations do not qualify as argument and do not merit serious engagement.

To clarify the stakes: your position on ἑλκύω implies that, syntactically, John 6:44 leaves coming to Jesus potentially impossible -- a consequence of your view I have already argued and that you have ignored. You have also ignored that the semantics of ἑλκύω are irrelevant to the Calvinist argument itself. Once again, you are sidestepping the actual issue and fishing for something to latch onto just to have a reply. I am not going to play that game. Until you offer a focused, substantive objection that engages these points seriously, this conversation is over.

So since you seem to have taken your ball and went home, I should probably explain something. What you call my "latest set of assertions" are largely drawn from Barr's criticism, which was not exclusive to the TDNT but simply used the TDNT as its exemplar. His criticism in no way discredited the TDNT, though it did alter how it is used in scholarship as well as every other lexography. You seem to misunderstand what Barr was actually saying, which was not that the TDNT was methodologically flawed but that word studies are misguided in general. His argument rests on 4 fallacies he identified, 2 of which you are clearly employing(word-concept and essentialism) and a 3rd seems to be present in your argument as well(totality transfer). Barr's argument was that word studies are poor exegesis because meaning is not at the word level, with Barr believing it to be at the sentence level but more recent arguments placing it primarily at the level of the paragraph or even entire pericope. Word studies are a supplement to exegesis, not an act of it. Word meanings aren't sufficiently fixed to be able to establish a meaning outside of their context, which is why now when scholars engage in word studies they are comparitive studies of a limited body of work, not sweeping studies of particular meaning. If you're going to cite a source, you might want to make sure you actually understand what that source argued.

Jerry N. · 2025-11-16T03:34:17-0600

There are many photographs of the earth taken from the moon or near the moon. I remember them well. Earth and the Moon from Apollo 11

One of the things to consider is that the apex of the “dome” is always directly above you wherever you are on earth. If the earth was flat, the people in the southern hemisphere would see the dome closer to them than the people at the North Pole. This isn’t the case. Even in America the apex would be off by about 40 to 50 degrees. However, the apex of the “dome” is 90 degrees from the horizon.

rjs330 · 2025-11-16T03:22:08-0600

Servus said:
Or is there supposed to be a conspiracy that the democrats are using it to tear the GOP apart or whatever?

It appears this really is the only reason the left cares. If they can help sow chaos they are happy to do so. Maybe we ought to just ignore them since their concern isn't really genuine.

rjs330 · 2025-11-16T03:19:58-0600

Belk said:
Trump? No I think Biden was not releasing them because that is not a normal thing the government does. I think it was the conspiracy theorists who think this is a big deal. The only reason anyone cares about them now is it is one of the few avenues where Trump and his supporters disagree.

So you dont really care and are just trying to poke Trump supporters?

rjs330 · 2025-11-16T03:14:59-0600

The Barbarian said:
To be fair to Bonino, he is definitely not part of the cover-up:
FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino was outraged this week during a closed-door White House meeting about the Department of Justice's review of Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking case files, according to multiple sources.

Bongino raised his voice during a discussion with White House chief of staff Susie Wiles before storming out of the meeting, according to two sources close to DOJ leadership. Bongino also exchanged heated words with Attorney General Pam Bondi during the meeting, and the whole ordeal has led him to consider resigning from the FBI, another source said.

Another person with knowledge of the meeting disputed the characterization that Bongino yelled at Wiles or Bondi during the sitdown.

Inside Dan Bongino's tense meeting with White House officials over Jeffrey Epstein fallout

Dan Bongino clashed with Attorney General Pam Bondi and White House chief of staff Susie Wiles in a heated meeting about the Epstein memo that found no client list existed.

www.foxnews.com

I really hope he doesnt resign. He needs to stay in the fight. Don't cut and run.

We still don't know what are in the files. Speculation that Trump is involved the child cases in about as stupid as it comes. The Biden admin would have released them in a heartbeat if he were.

No, IF there are others being protected, I believe they are foreign dignitaries. But its a wild guess.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-16T03:14:48-0600

Apple Sky said:
It is within a long list of claims by NASA who claim these images are real. Easy done.
What claim is there that this Apollo 16 image is real to begin with ?

If it isn't real and it's not CGI because there were no computers then - what's the alternative?
As it's, apparently, "easily done"; show us.

boughtwithaprice · 2025-11-16T03:14:34-0600

JimR-OCDS said:
Learn to detach from the need to be accepted. I've gone through this and I'm still learning to detach from that
necessity in my life.

We need to contemplate why we are at Mass. it is for worship of God and His sacrifice to save us from sin. Fellowship with others is secondary, and we need to clear our minds of distractions

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Satan and his demons play with our emotions and look for our weaknesses. If we feel overwhelming loneliness at Mass, we can be fairly confident that we are being attacked.

Know that we pray for you and the body of Christ will join with you in the fight against the powers of darkness

David Lamb · 2025-11-16T03:13:32-0600

Apple Sky said:
It is within a long list of claims by NASA who claim these images are real. Easy done.
What claim is there that this Apollo 16 image is real to begin with ?

Well, I don't remember whether I say that specific image back in the 1970s, but I am sure that such images taken from space craft were shown on television and in newspapers at the time. Maybe somebody here remembers seeing that particular one.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-16T03:10:27-0600

David Lamb said:
If it isn't real, as you claim, how could it have been made by CGI which did not exist in 1972?

It is within a long list of claims by NASA who claim these images are real. Easy done.
What claim is there that this Apollo 16 image is real to begin with ?

David Lamb · 2025-11-16T03:02:18-0600

Apple Sky said:
Yes you did.

No he didn't. He said in an earlier post:

"No that video does not say all photos of earth are faked. I’ve watched that video before, and it is about a composite picture called the “blue marble” released in 2012, but it is not the original “blue marble” from Apollo 17 in 1972, and it is not saying that the original photo was CGI. But I purposely avoided that photo anyway." (my emphasis)

Phil specifically said that the 2012 picture was a composite picture, but that the original, taken from Apollo 17 in 1972, was not.

David Lamb · 2025-11-16T02:56:48-0600

Apple Sky said:
I can tell you now, that image ain't real & not wild horses could ever convince me.

If it isn't real, as you claim, how could it have been made by CGI which did not exist in 1972?

David Lamb · 2025-11-16T02:52:51-0600

Apple Sky said:
Phil had posted an image of earth taken from Apollo 16 which I claimed was CGI ,then stronginHim said that we didn't have CGI back in 1972, so I'm asking how come we have the image now ?

Well, the obvious answer is that your claim is wrong. If the photo was taken in 1972, when CGI did not exist, how can it be a CGI photo?

SamInNi · 2025-11-16T02:48:25-0600

The purpose of our faith is to see God glorified and to accomplish His will (read John 14:13). So when we pray we must keep in mind that “If we ask anything according to his will, he hears us” (1 John 5:14). If it’s not according to His will He will not give us what we ask for.

There are reasons why we don’t know—aren’t able to discern—His will. For example, we may need to be transformed in our thinking by renewing the mind “so that you may discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God” (Romans 12:2).

Those who are “filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding” (see Colossians 1:9) will offer prayers that God will receive. When He answers our prayers the Father and the Son will be glorified.

Jesus taught the disciples that a tiny amount of faith will move a mountain (Matthew 17:20; see also 1 Corinthians 13:2). This certainly exposes my level of faith for what it often is and is another reason why my prayers go unanswered.

We are more likely to pray with understanding when we are grounded in the fullness of God’s Word. In each Bible-centred local assembly God provides gifted teachers who build up believers so they will follow Christ with “spiritual understanding”.

Bob Crowley · 2025-11-16T02:47:41-0600

I think this universe will be swept out of existence. It adds up to nothing anyway, in that it is a sum zero energy universe.

What's the Total Energy In the Universe?

Most cosmologists believe the universe contains exactly zero energy.

www.livescience.com

Considering the amount of energy packed in the nucleus of a single uranium atom, or the energy that has been continuously radiating from the sun for billions of years, or the fact that there are 10^80 particles in the observable universe, it seems that the total energy in the universe must be an inconceivably vast quantity. But it's not; it's probably zero.

God made it from nothing; it adds up to nothing; and when He's finished with it it will disappear back to nothing. Energy can be neither created or destroyed, so if it started from nothing (except possibly some sort of quantum fluctuation) it's going to continue to add up to nothing.

What this "new earth" will be is in the too hard basket as far as I'm concerned. The impression I get is that God will dwell with His people, and He doesn't need a planet to do that.

There is also the image of the celestial city with streets of gold and all the other gadgetry. I don't bother thinking that one through, as the main business of life now is to keep short accounts with God. If we do that, the rest will take care of itself.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-16T02:47:34-0600

Apple Sky said:
I asked because I knew that no real photo exists of earth taken from the moon.

You can only say that if you are dismissing ALL astronauts - even the Christian ones who talk about Jesus - as liars.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-16T02:46:16-0600

Apple Sky said:
I can tell you now, that image ain't real & not wild horses could ever convince me.

You can't tell us now.

You said that it was a CGI photo.
I asked you if they had CGI in 1972 and you, yourself, replied "no".
You can't explain how a photo of the moon that was taken in 1972 can be Computer Generated when you have admitted that they didn't have computers then.
All you can do is repeat, "don't believe it; not real, nothing would make me believe" etc in a desperate attempt to convince yourself that it can't be real.
You asked for evidence - just one piece of evidence.
You were given it.
You don't believe it.

None of that means that the photo isn't real. ALL it shows is your complete unwillingness to believe evidence - or that you are selective about what you consider to be evidence.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-16T02:38:10-0600

Phil G said:
So why did you ask for one then?

I asked because I knew that no real photo exists of earth taken from the moon.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-16T02:34:33-0600

Strong in Him said:
Like I said, it is a real photo taken on a camera by someone who was there.

Yes, & I have a picture of me on Mars.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-16T02:31:50-0600

Strong in Him said:
You tell US how a CGI of the earth was made in 1972 when computers didn't exist.

I can tell you now, that image ain't real & not wild horses could ever convince me.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-16T02:27:45-0600

Apple Sky said:
No, what I'm asking is how come they have image now ?

Why wouldn't they??
I still have photos that were taken in 1972; don't you?

Like I said, it is a real photo taken on a camera by someone who was there.

stevevw · 2025-11-16T02:26:56-0600

Hans Blaster said:
NO HE IS NOT. As you told us when you introduced us to him over a year ago, he is an aerospace engineer. You made a big deal of that to show his bone fides. Unless there is ancient Egyptian aerospace, he is not an expert in Egyptology.
Nonsense, not common sense.

If you want to wallow with the cranks and frauds. that is up to you.

You really need to take a step back and settle down lol.

I was making a joke about how easy it is to make up stuff by just typing the words onto the paper.

Notice how I copied exactly your words and just replaced two of them In fact I only had to change "nonsense" by replacing the 'non' with 'common' lol.

The point was that anyone can just say the words. If you make claims or objections about people without evidence. Then I can turn those claims and objections into falsehoods and claim the exact opposite without evidence. If this is the way you want to determine the truth.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-16T02:25:18-0600

Phil G said:
That image was released in 2012 when CGI existed. And nobody ever claimed it was real.

Yes you did.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-16T02:22:15-0600

Phil G said:
What??? I’m sure you have photos from the 1960’s and 1970’s. Are they CGI, in if not, how come you have them now?

Not from the moon I haven't.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-11-16T02:22:03-0600

“Deal bountifully with Your servant,

That I may live and keep Your word.

Open my eyes, that I may behold

Wonderful things from Your law.

I am a stranger in the earth;

Do not hide Your commandments from me.

My soul is crushed with longing

After Your ordinances at all times.

You rebuke the arrogant, the cursed,

Who wander from Your commandments.

Take away reproach and contempt from me,

For I observe Your testimonies.

Even though princes sit and talk against me,

Your servant meditates on Your statutes.

Your testimonies also are my delight;

They are my counselors.” (Psalms 119:17-24 NASB1995)

If you are someone who loves God, who loves his word, and who takes God and his word seriously, to obey it to the best of your understanding, and so you have renounced sinful practices, and you now walk (in conduct) in holy living, in obedience to the Lord, by the grace of God, in the power of God, and by his Spirit, then you are likely to find yourself being opposed, even by some others who also claim to believe in Jesus Christ, and even by some pastors of “churches.” For not everyone is who they claim to be.

Many who are in positions of leadership within the gatherings of what are being called “churches” are wolves in sheep’s clothing. They are what the Scriptures refer to as “dogs,” but many of them are in disguise. And a dog is someone who is despicable, who is a spiritual predator who feeds off others. They are the impure, the wicked, and those outside of genuine faith in Jesus Christ who are workers of evil and smooth talkers who manipulate and who charm and deceive the naïve into believing their lies disguised as truth.

They are those who oppose the gospel message taught by Jesus and by his New Testament apostles, taught in the correct biblical context. And so they will remove particular Scriptures out from their intended context, and they will alter what they say to make them less offensive and more appealing to human flesh and to the ungodly of the world. For their goal is to trick and to deceive people into believing the lies, and into rejecting the truth, while they promise them heaven for eternity, but while they are leading them to hell.

We are to resist such people as these. And we are to reject their false teachings. And we are to be students of the Scriptures who are testing what we are hearing against the Scriptures (taught in context), and by comparing Scripture with Scripture to make sure that they agree with one another. For Romans 10:9 has to agree with Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; and Romans 12:1-2. And Ephesians 2:8-9 has to include verse 10, and it has to agree with Ephesians 4:17-24.

And sometimes we may need to pray for protection from those who oppose the truth of the gospel, and who teach the lies, for they are not all content with just giving out a false doctrine of salvation, but they also fiercely oppose the truth of the gospel and those who are teaching the truth of the gospel, too. We may need to pray that God will rescue us from such evil liars and deceivers who are trying to force their way into our lives, either in an attempt to deceive us, or to try to dishearten us to the point of us quitting.

We should never give in to their intimidation, though, but we must be those who love God with all our heart, mind, and soul, and who love his word (taught in the right context), and whose desire it is to obey our Lord and to do what his word teaches us that we must do, as his followers. And we must continue to spread the good news of the gospel of Christ (taught in truth) to the people of the world, and to the worldly church, for the salvation of human lives from bondage to sin, so they can serve Jesus with their lives.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Walking in The Light

Based off 1 John 1-2
An Original Work / November 16, 2011
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

When I lift up my voice, and
Sing praise unto God,
I will fellowship with my
Lord and Savior, King.
In Him there is no darkness.
He is in the light of truth.
If we walk in His light,
From sin He purifies.

If we repent of our sins,
He’ll forgive us now,
When we humble ourselves, and
Before Jesus bow.
The man who says, “I know Him,”
But does not obey His truth,
There is no truth in him.
In darkness still he’s found.

Do not love the world of sin,
For it is hell bound.
If you follow the world, you’ll
Not in Christ be found.
The world and its desires
Will not last; they’ll expire.
The one who does God’s will,
Receives eternal life.

See that what you have heard from
Christ remains in you.
Then, you’ll remain in Christ, and
In His Father, too.
This is what He promised us –
His eternal life with God.
So, continue in Him, and
You’ll receive a crown.

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Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-16T02:19:50-0600

stevevw said:
Dunn is an Egyptology expert and has been for decades. He inspired all of the commonsense.

See how easy it is. Anyone can play this game. Just say the words and let them fall onto the page. You say he's a crank and I say he isn't and we can keep going back and forth forever if you want. Its easy when you don't have to back up your claim.

Steve, you call a bicycle frame builder an expert to talk about ancient Egyptian pottery. Do you not understand how ludicrous and nonsensical that makes any claim you make about going to experts is?

Because all that shows any of us is that you're easily duped by big words and a clear bias on your part to not actually wanting to talk about relevant experts, which goes a great way to explain why you get so focused on Petri as much as you do, to the exclusion of over 100 years of study in Egyptology and the information therein.

You have a bias, plain as day.

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