Servus said:

The Democrats had 4 years to both release the Epstein files and develop a better health plan.

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The Democrats did release a better health plan. That’s the ACA.

jonojim1337 said:

Isaiah 8:14-15

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Then we are agreed. An odd admission for a Christian but I applaud your honesty.

Clare73 said:

That is done in the power of Holy Spirit who now indwells them.

No overcoming means no Holy Spirit.

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Right, they either never turned to Him to begin with, or they've turned back away from Him, failing to remain, returning to the flesh. Those, however, who persevere to the end, producing the good fruit of overcoming sin and doing good, will prove themselves to have been good soil.

Always in His Presence said:

and the reality is the man in known for his generosity -

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He’s famous for not paying his debts, what are you talking about.

He is famous for his generosity in pardoning convicted criminals.

AV1611VET said:

From AI Overview:

The purpose of a hypothesis is to provide a testable, educated guess that guides a scientific study by making a specific prediction about the relationship between variables. It serves to provide a clear focus for the research, ensuring that data collection and analysis are purposeful and aligned with the study's goals. Without a hypothesis, research can be aimless, and it's difficult to draw meaningful conclusions or establish causality.

Miller-Urey tested that hypothesis and failed.

Demonstrating that abiogenesis isn't science.

I'll make a prediction:

You'll never create life in a laboratory.

Why?

It's not science.

Nature doesn't deal with trying to kick-start life ... and never did.

She has other things to concentrate on.

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Miller-Urey's experiment did succeed though Unequivocally, it succeeded in showing that complex cells can form from singular, primitive singular cells.

And nature deals with kick-starting life all the time. That's what reproduction is.

camille70 said:

The GOP's anti Blackness is what keeps Black people from voting for them. There are plenty of Black people who agree with the prolife/anti abortion stances, but won't support the GOP because of the racism. They used Black people as the boogeyman for decades to get White people to vote against their own interests, and now they are doing the same with Hispanics. At first Hispanics thought the GOP made a distinction between legal and undocumented, but now they are coming to the realization that they don't, and even if they did, they don't mind violating the civil rights of the legal immigrants and citizens to get to the undocumented who aren't really a threat. The GOP is expecting us to believe that undocumented folks are simultaneously taking all the jobs and getting all the federal benefits at the expense of average Americans. Last year they were eating dogs and cats and now not only are they sneaking across the border, they are bringing their cattle with them.

Just like with Black people in the past, they want White people to think the presence of anyone not White means less for them and that these "others" are getting things White people paid for for free. They say whatever is necessary to scare people into voting GOP. Fear works. Anyone using this tactic should be a major red flag. The bible tells us over and over again to fear not. Yet somehow Christians seem more susceptible to the message. It's just the opposite for dems. They put too much faith in norms and laws. If you say due to xyz, we believe bad thing xyz is going to happen, they call it fearmongering and refuse to act. The said this about SCOTUS, overturning Roe and several other things.

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Nah, this us the garbage the Democrats have been feeding the blacks for decades. Much like the more recent claims of "the GOP is full if Nazis". Utter junk. Its a shame they've been able to bamboozle people like that.

Clare73 said:

Keeping in mind that all unbelief in Jesus Christ results in condemnation by him (Jn 3:18).

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paul called them enemies of the gospel

Michie said:

Nick Fuentes’ ideology is insufferable. His antisemitism is real and destructive

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it really isn't that bad.

you forget they blew up the uss liberty?
and many other false flags?

AV1611VET said:

Are you sure?

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If I was, I wouldn't say it.

partinobodycular said:

Ah, you're lucky then, because I don't get that. Notice that I mentioned windswept, which means that the snow blows across those miles and miles of wide open fields until it encounters some type of windbreak where it forms a sort of white concrete around anything unlucky enough to be more than three feet high.



Ah, now you're speaking my language. Outsiders think that you're crazy if you tell them that what we need to dry the ground out is a nice warm rain. They're like... how does rain dry the ground out? Because until it rains the ground is frozen, so all that melting snow has nowhere to go. Then the rain thaws out the ground, and what was nothing but a lake one day is gone the next. It just magically disappears.

Then the spring comes and the northwesterly winds turn into southwesterly winds and rain. Everything turns green, and eventually the rains stop. At which point everything is beautiful for about two weeks, and then the bugs come.

Yeah, life in the Upper Midwest, it's so much fun!

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MidWest eh? Nice! I've always wondered what that part of the US looks like.

I'm really surprised you guys don't have windbreaks. In the canadian prairies they were installed in the "dirty 30s" to stop soil loss. Did you guys not do it up there?

partinobodycular said:

Obviously one thing leads to another, but that still doesn't answer my question... why should I care?

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The difference between me, and a lot of other people, is that I tend to be a *big picture* type thinker. I'm not looking at myself, or you personally, but at our entire society.. I feel like we need to know what is and isn't okay. Where do we draw the line in the sand? This is the paradigm I'm trying to portray with this thread, while looking at what's to come.

...We need to know where we stand before someone else makes that decision for us, at which point, it will be too late to go back.

hedrick said:

There are certainly studies that claim that ACA slowed the rise of insurance prices. That makes sense, since when patients don't have insurance eventually those with insurance end up paying for their care. I cited these above.

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We were not told it would SLOW the rise of insurance costs. We were told it would lower our costs. We were told other things too that didn't happen.

I had coffee with a guy the other day who used the ACA because he didnt have insurance. His family needed it. He discovered it was garbage and didn't pay for anything. But the insurance company sure made money.

My insurance sure climbed. So, I don't know if I really believe the studies.

RileyG said:

I think we can still respect human beings while respecting our borders.

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The offer for self deportation is very respectful, and merciful. They pay for their return trip, with money in their pockets. This leaves these people with an opportunity to return legally in the future.

RileyG said:

I don't think the Holy Father said anything wrong, IMHO.

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I do.

Clare73 said:

Not a dime's worth of difference. . .

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These posts are just kinda sad.
And now you'll reply trying to suggest my posts are also sad.

And the wheel will continue while we turn...

BNR32FAN said:

Yeah well that freedom goes both ways. If I hire an employee I should have the right to observe that employee to make sure that he or she is doing what I’m paying him or her to do and doing it according to company policies that I’ve put in place.

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Agreed, however with the upcoming technology, it's right and just that we distinguish the boundaries alongside the technological advancements, so as to maintain a healthy society. If you look back into history, at the beginning of the industrial revolution, we see that initially, boundaries were not made, and we see how rivers and streams were flooded with toxic chemicals. We saw lax safety standards, and a lot of other factors that were overlooked.

Today, we have a new situation that deserves evaluation and dialogue amongst people. We should take into account the opinions, hopes and fears of the people today, while simultaneously preparing for what's to come.

ThatRobGuy said:

Is there a chance, just a slight chance, that their video was specifically intended for drawing this reaction of out him and the predictable "Truth Social Frenzy" that would undoubtedly go along with it?

Obviously it was foolish for him to take the bait (and doesn't demonstrate level-headed leadership)

...but I'm not sure that we're living in the best time for "hey, lemme stir the pot just to rile up the other side so everyone can see how crazy they are"


That aside, is their video implying that every military member is qualified to make constitutional judgments for things that haven't even been officially decided by actual judges yet?


If the shoe was on the other foot, and another contentious issue was the focal point - guns.

If a bunch of republican congressmen made a montage video telling local police officers (who, like most servicemen, are not constitutional experts qualified to make some of these types of judgement calls) "Hey, you all swore an oath... the constitution clearly states that people have the right to bear arms, so if those governors in California and New York are trying to get you to enforce their gun control restrictions, you can, and in fact...have a duty to, refuse to enforce those, and if you see someone carrying a gun without permit, you can let them go"

Would that style of activism be well-received by the left half? (hint: no it wouldn't, because that actually happened in Oregon with Measure 114, where various state leaders in law enforcement agencies publicly declared that they were going to ignore it because they personally thought it was unconstitutional, and instructed their officers not to enforce it - the left in Oregon was none too pleased about that)


Here's how this little PR stunt they did actually plays out in the real world:
They're needlessly going to provoke and paint a target on some peoples' backs
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Well-intentioned (but misguided) servicemen are going to get court marshalled and/or dishonorably discharged and lose their benefits


Interpreting whether or not an order from a commander-in-chief to the military is unconstitutional is rarely is something so simple and clear cut that a 19-23 year old kid can make an accurate on-the-spot judgment call.

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Not a PR stunt. This is one of the premises for the video:

Military Personnel Are Quietly Seeking Counsel on the Legality of Trump’s Caribbean Operations​

The question of legality led to the Southcom Commander quitting.

wing2000 said:

Tell that to the millions of Americans enrolled in the ACA. Tell that to the Americans who will no longer be able to afford health insurance come January 1st.

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Tell it to the millions of Americans who were lied to about how it would save them money and would be able to keep their plan. And it only cost more.

I know a few of those Americans. They got on the plan. It cost them money and didn't cover anything. It was junk.

AV1611VET said:

To get back on track in this thread:

Abiogenesis isn't science.

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It's a scientific hypothesis, as in a scientific idea, which means that it is science. Just not science with massive overwhelming evidence to have it become a theory.

AV1611VET said:

What you're displaying against Mr Hovind is called an "ad hominem".

From the Oxford Dictionary:

An argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

It takes the focus off of what he's saying, and puts it on his character.

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And as has been shown by anyone who uses the internet and has the eyes and ears of use, they know that what Hovind says it fraudulent and outright lies.

BPPLEE said:

Which is more believable
A. Life came from non life by random chance
B. God created life

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It depends on what you mean by "random chance."

I believe that life came from non-life by an orderly biochemical process which (in principle) can be characterized by science in terms of material causes. I also believe that God created life. Consequently, I reject "A" on both theological and scientific grounds.

Stopped_lurking said:

This appears to be a half-truth, from their response regarding the measurement method and the threshold. Your text seems to be tendentious.

https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/u...C_Famine_Classification_in_the_Gaza_Strip.pdf

If using the weight-to-height measurement it is still 30% to call it a famine. With the upper arm measure the threshold is 15% (and that as it has been previously, MUAC has previously been shown to underpredict hence the lower threshold). It is not a newly deviced measurement either. See the quote.

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On Aug 22, 2025, a famine was declared for the city of Gaza based on the IPC for food security. Three months later, there are increasing signs that this classification was greatly exaggerated. The global system for classifying hunger and malnutrition lists ‘famine/humanitarian catastrophe’ as the last and highest alert level on its scale. One criterion is that in such a case, the mortality rate exceeds two deaths per 10,000 people per day.

Paradoxically, none of the available surveys, neither the IPC's own figures nor those of Hamas, come anywhere close to this figure. For the classification of ‘famine’, around 188 people would have had to die every day in Gaza City alone. However, Hamas reported an average of six deaths per day caused by hunger during the same period across the entire Gaza Strip. The terrorist group is not suspected of wanting to gloss over the death toll. It even reported people suffering from serious illnesses as ‘victims of hunger’.

The accusation that Israel wants to ‘systematically starve’ the Gaza Strip is one of the main pillars of the genocide charges against Israel. In the spring of 2025, Israel imposed a highly controversial three-month blockade on aid deliveries, thereby establishing a new distribution system. Since then, goods have been distributed in such a way that Hamas is no longer involved. Apart from this period, enough food always reached the Gaza Strip in absolute terms. The main problem has always been the Hamas-controlled distribution.

That is why it is important to note that Israel has demonstrably done more to protect "Palestinians" in the Gaza Strip than any other state has ever done for the lives of civilians on the side of an enemy warring party. The casualties among the suffering civilians, especially children, are tragic, but very low compared to other urban wars against terrorists and guerrillas. To accuse Israel of genocidal intentions is an anti-Semitic lie.

Just to try to haul this back closer to the OP, US Muslims look pretty similar to US Christians in terms of how important religion is to them.

Also with attending services and belief in God.

Servus said:

The Democrats had 4 years to both release the Epstein files and develop a better health plan.

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Unlike the GOP, Democrats didn't have conspiracy theorists driving anything Epstein. Despite the circus when it's all said and done, the files won't reveal anything substantial. Nor has anyone Democratic claimed they have a better and cheaper healthcare plan than what exists today.

fhansen said:

And we must freely paricticipate in that work of His as we are now debtors due to God's gift, obligated to overcome.

"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live." Rom 8:12-13

IOW, while true believers are not perfectly sinless in this life, they must still overcome sin.

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That is done in the power of Holy Spirit who now indwells them.

No overcoming means no Holy Spirit.

Apple Sky said:

Well I've never seen the earth revolving around the sun & I doubt that billions have either.

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Billions have seen films, but hundreds have seen it with their own eyes.

Fervent said:

It's a long-range question, but the biggest threat is fundamentalist muslims using the west's own tolerance against it. I've already pointed out that there's a battle plan that is laid out in both historical occurrences and the way Islamic jurisprudence works in general. First is play up the peaceful verses and create allies who choose to be ignorant of Islam's history and theological core, then move towards a privileged position for Islam under the guise of protecting them as minorities, then outright warfare and violent subjugation of anyone who doesn't submit to an Islamic state. It's how Muhammad operated from the pre-exilic Meccan period to the Medina period, followed by the period where the Muslims overthrew Mecca and finally began full on offensive warfare against the Khaybar and beyond.

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If that is the threat you perceive, what do you suggest we do about it? And what does it have to do with why people are losing their religiousity? Certainly you don't even present religiousity in a good light.