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keras · 2025-11-08T20:26:04-0600

The Liturgist said:
And how do you know the reliability and provenance of this vision, particularly when it appears to clash with actual Gospel text of our Lord and His Apostles?

Your opposition to the idea that He will come like “a thief in the night”, that is to say, unexpectedly, appears prima facie to contradict several New Testament scriptures

I know what I saw. I saw the Holy Land cleared and empty of all the ungodly peoples.
I see no clash with what I promote from the Prophesies and with what the Apostles taught. Maybe it just clashes with your beliefs?

The 'coming like a thief' does not and cannot apply to the glorious Return, when Jesus comes with the Trumpet call of God; 1 Thess 4:16
It applies to the terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, years before the Return. The Lord will not be seen on that Day.

The Liturgist said:
the idea that all Christians had it wrong for 20 centuries

The most important doctrines were correctly held and preached; Salvation, how we should live, etc. But the Prophetic Word has been hidden from general understanding. This is because God wants the end times to be our great test of faith. 1 Peter 4:12
Proved by Matthew 11:25-26 and Daniel 12:10....only a few wise leaders will understand.

BPPLEE · 2025-11-08T20:26:04-0600

rambot said:
Pray, where did his dad's wealth go?
He gave it to charity right?

No. He gave it to Donald. Over 400m.
We talk about it because it helps explain his ineptitude in business. You know how hard it is to bankrupt casinos? Multiple times? It's not something a competent businessman does.

Oh. Not arguing he's riich. His supporters let him enriching himself and his family through his office.

But his name ain't Hunter so you don't care.

Really, where was that charge among all the other things he was charged with?

stevevw · 2025-11-08T20:25:28-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
You really enjoy putting words in my mouth, and also for someone who rags on people being emotional and using such language, your entire wording reeks of nothing but emotional appeals to what you believe to be authorities.

Ok I don't think I put words in your mouth. I don't think you realise you do it in using extreme and absolute words with your claims. Or other qualifying words like "horrendous" when pointing out something.

We can all add little qualifiers to what we say. Its just a way of trying to make your words sound truer when they are not. Your better off adding reasoning to support your claim. Strong words don't give a false claim any truth.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
But let's actually try and be sensible adults here and go back on the actual OP topic, for whatever it's worth.

OK thats good. Rather than all the fallacies. I think this thread has more complaints and fallacies than addressing the content.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
I'll repeat a phrase I've said numerous times here: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

This is a silly claim and overused. You don't even accept any evidence remember. You said "nothing in the slightest is true or fact or evidence in what I said". Why even bother with you Warden when notrhing I say means anything.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Why is it that despite all of your claims about advanced technology existing from the Ancient Egyptians, a period that lasted over 3000 years, not including the near two-thousand year period from its decline to the present day, have we not found a single piece of, or even a single actual example of, said advanced technology?

Your don't listen do you. Why even bother explaining things to you anymore. You never listen and ignore everything and make out is all rubbish. Why bother.

Why is finding the tech going to prove the case. We are going back to something I already explained. If we don't find the gun will that mean no gun was used.

What if the tech is stone softening or weakening. What sort of machine do you think we would find for stone softening or weakening. Is there a massive stone softening machine.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Why do we not see a single piece of artistic contemporary depictions of said advanced technology, especially for the building of the pyramids, which were huge things and worthy of being recorded?

Why do we not see any depiction at all of building the pyramids, making the hard stone vases, or cutting blocks. This is a silly line of arguement.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Why do we not have Greek or Roman texts describing this advanced technology, which surely they would have found wondrous and wanted to record or even copy?

Why would they find anything. Did the Romans find big ramps or pullies or aqua lifts to build the pyramids. Wheres all the tech for building the pyramids. You would think such a massive project would at least be recorded. But nothing, absolutely nothing is said or shown.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Why is there not a single piece of said advanced technology existing but only the rudimentary stuff still exists?

Whats the rudimentary stuff.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Where is the advanced technology you claim to exist?

This is a fallacious line of arguing. I have already shown that it does not follow that not finding the devices or method means we cann tell what method was used.

You seem to just ignore stuff and repeat the same fallacious arguements that have already been explained.

Delvianna · 2025-11-08T20:23:44-0600

You should see what Medic4Christ said about Joshua. He was a pastor of a church that scammed people out of money and the behind the scenes about the Sept 23 live stream.. and people are STILL following Joshua... I agree with Medic, this IS a cult and it's unreal.

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Landon Caeli · 2025-11-08T20:23:21-0600

Yarddog said:
Immigrants are in more need of compassion than most Americans.

If we are to be truly Christ like, we would be compassionate to everyone,, not just the poor... Or the immigrant...

Jesus forgives the sins of all. And he fed all.

(I say this because I think it's a very valuable statement)

Dikaioumenoi · 2025-11-08T20:21:20-0600

fhansen said:
But this doesn't quite work. Why does He need to have patience with them, if the means is strictly His regenerating them?

What are you talking about? Who says "the means is strictly His regenerating them"?

fhansen said:
It's simple: He gives enough grace for them to come, and yet doesn't make that grace irresistible

Are you intentionally being obstinate? You're not even listening to what it is I'm saying. I have repeatedly clarified this. Look at the verse:

"No one can come to me..."

That is a statement of inability, not unwillingness. How does one obtain the ability to come to Christ? The verse continues:

"...unless the Father... draws him."

So who is able to come to Christ? Those drawn, and only those drawn. If you are not drawn, you cannot come. You said, "He gives enough grace for them to come." Yes, that's called drawing:

"No one can come to me... unless the Father draws him."

If not A, then not B. If not drawn, then not able. The drawing is the grace of God that enables sinners to come to Him. So, is it possible for someone to come to Christ if the Father does not succeed in that drawing/enabling activity?

fhansen said:
"No one can come to me unless the Father draws him" does not exclude those who refuse to come even though drawn.

Again, you're not even paying attention to what I said. The verse does not end there. What does the rest of the verse say?

fhansen said:
And, BTW, Plato used ἑλκούσης to describe common attractions to worldly pleasures and modern Greek uses it similiarly (έλκω).

I've read a good deal of Plato. What citation are you referring to?

I'm asking out of curiosity; the point isn't a relevant one. Plato is Classical, Modern is Modern. Neither is Koine. The language has changed significantly between those three periods. Words in Classical Greek frequently carry specialized meanings limited to philosophical contexts, and Modern Greek is even further removed, with vast lexical and semantic drift. Appealing to Modern Greek usage is like using Modern English to define the meaning of words in Shakespearean English. It's anachronistic.

And in all of this you still fail to recognize that this whole line of argument -- trying to attach a softer meaning to ἑλκύω -- is undermining your position, not helping it.

Hentenza · 2025-11-08T20:16:24-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Not according to God Heb4:4,10 Exo20:8-11

We‘ve been through those verses before many times. Heb. 4, talks about Jesus rest and Ex. 20 audience was the Jews not the church.

SabbathBlessings said:
It’s from week to week on the Sabbath. You removed the Sabbath from this verse God didn’t. It says from one Sabbath to another all flesh (not just Jews) will come before the Lord, to worship. We are not going to be before the Lord everyday in heaven, Scripture plainly tells us we will be building houses and tending to vineyards and doing things. It’s best to let Scripture define itself especially when it’s the Lord speaking.

I showed you the Hebrew and you still hold on to an unbiblical understanding which does not match the original language or the historical context.

Fervent · 2025-11-08T20:16:11-0600

Saved, unsaved, it's in God's hands. I trust He knows what to do with me.

rambot · 2025-11-08T20:16:11-0600

BPPLEE said:
Blame the democrats for nominating such a terrible candidate. (Look who she lost to)
The talk about him inheriting all his wealth is just because he's disliked.

Pray, where did his dad's wealth go?
He gave it to charity right?

No. He gave it to Donald. Over 400m.
We talk about it because it helps explain his ineptitude in business. You know how hard it is to bankrupt casinos? Multiple times? It's not something a competent businessman does.

BPPLEE said:
He's actually done quite well, Whether you like him or not

Oh. Not arguing he's riich. His supporters let him enriching himself and his family through his office.

But his name ain't Hunter so you don't care.

Yarddog · 2025-11-08T20:14:44-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Then start showing compassion towards the people who want illegals out.

Immigrants are in more need of compassion than most Americans. If ICE would focus on the criminal element, not many would complain.

Fervent · 2025-11-08T20:13:15-0600

BPPLEE said:
Blame the democrats for nominating such a terrible candidate. (Look who she lost to)
The talk about him inheriting all his wealth is just because he's disliked. He's actually done quite well, Whether you like him or not

Yeah, it's got to sting to be up against literally Hitler and lose not only the EC but popular vote as well.

rambot · 2025-11-08T20:10:34-0600

BPPLEE said:
Makes one wonder how an ignorant, dim witted old man became a billionaire and was elected president twice

"I love the poorly educated!!!"
-Donald Trump

"Smart people don't like me".
-Donald Trump

Hentenza · 2025-11-08T20:02:57-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Not according to God, He says He has a people who overcomes and keep His commandments

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

I just addressed this verse. Whose commandments?

SabbathBlessings said:
Sadly, the core of this teaching that we can’t keep God’s commandments is that the devil has more power to keep one in sin, than God does to keep us from sin, if we are connected to Him. It’s saying the devil is more powerful than God. It’s not what I believe.

Regard Dan7:25 which is prophetic no I didn’t forget the next verse, it doesn't change the meaning on the verse I quoted. There is a beast power who thought to change God’s times and laws. The only law that is both a time (every seventh day Exo20:10) and law (4th commandment) is the Sabbath commandment and clear history of it being changed not by God.

And yet God gave us a new covenant where Jesus is the Lord of Yhe sabbath and now we rest in Him not in a particular day.

SabbathBlessings said:
So temporary while on earth, this power changes God’s times and laws, the Sabbath, that most the whole world has followed or wondered after (thinking like)

God will take His dominion back

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Why the Sabbath continues for worship for eternity in the New Heaven and New earth thus saith the Lord Isaiah 66:22-23

““For just as the new heavens and the new earth, Which I make, will endure before Me,” declares the Lord, “So will your descendants and your name endure. “And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭22‬-‭23‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Isaiah 66:22-23 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth, Which I make, will endure before Me,” declares the LORD, “So will your descendants and your name endure. “And it shall be from new moon to new moon And | New American Standard Bible - N

“For just as the new heavens and the new earth, Which I make, will endure before Me,” declares the LORD, “So will your descendants and your name endure. “And it shall be from new moon to new moon And

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This merely means from week to week. This was a common phrase used by the Jews during biblical times.

4. = week(?): שֶׁבַע שַׁבָּתוֺת Leviticus 23:15 (H), seven sabbaths or weeks; שֶׁבַע שַׁבְּתתֹ (ה)שָּׁנִים Leviticus 25:8 (twice in verse); (H) seven sabbaths or weeks (of years), uncertain (see Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 18:12; Matthew 28:1, compare Jewish-Aramaic usage); possibly שַׁבָּת Isaiah 66:23 = week (Du).

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-08T20:01:53-0600

Servus said:
So once again the Democrats are copying what they complain about. Newsome in essence is saying 'see we can be just like the Republicans'. Democrats, the party of if you can't beat em, join em. Newsom is even trying to sound like Trump lol.

I don't know if most democrats have noticed this, but there really are no ideals or principles. It's whatever becomes "popular" in the here and now, is all they do.

...But that's actually logical, because the very word "democrat" is based on the popular vote. So they take it to the next level - the absolute extreme! It's the opposite of universal morality and long term goals - rather, it's always going to be whatever is most popular, at any given time, that wins the party. Just like any basic election.

At least they're true to their name! Even if it is a very dangerous game they play.

BPPLEE · 2025-11-08T19:57:14-0600

rambot said:
Blame who you like but...

"I love the poorly educated!!!"
-Donald Trump

"Smart people don't like me".
-Donald Trump

Considering how much is dad left him at the time, it's widely consider he did very mediocre.

I mean since he's been president he's been doing very well because his supporters are cool with him enriching him and his family while in office. Kind of deranged actually.

Blame the democrats for nominating such a terrible candidate. (Look who she lost to)
The talk about him inheriting all his wealth is just because he's disliked. He's actually done quite well, Whether you like him or not

Dikaioumenoi · 2025-11-08T19:53:52-0600

zoidar said:
I noticed you didn’t answer my question about your background in Greek. Since your argument rests heavily on grammatical claims, it would help to know what level of training you’ve had in the language.

I didn't answer because it's not relevant. My credentials neither validate nor invalidate the argument. You can verify or refute any grammatical claim I've made by consulting any Greek grammar. Or pick a claim you question and I'll substantiate with references.

Διαβάζω την Κοινή Ελληνική άπταιστα, και τα καταφέρνω αρκετά καλά και στα Νέα Ελληνικά. Διαβάζω την Κοινή εδώ και δεκαπέντε χρόνια. I studied Greek formally at university and seminary beginning 20 years ago, tutor students, and have translated and diagrammed most of the New Testament.

Now, if you have a substantive objection to something I actually argued, let's hear it.

keras · 2025-11-08T19:51:29-0600

Strong in Him said:
The differences are plainly in the text for anyone to read; they are simply not the same object.

Zechariah 5:1-4, describes what we know today as a ICBM rocket.
Zech 5:5-11, is not another different object. It goes on to tell about what that rocket has inside it.

Any other explanation, simply makes a mess of what Zechariah Prophesies.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-08T19:49:59-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
Exactly, it's not like the Israelis ever assassinated anyone.

Uh, well the Mexican Ambassador surely hasn't. I don't think she's done anything wrong to anyone.

...Kind of ridiculous to plot an assassination on someone just because they're an easy-target-Jew.

SavedByGrace3 · 2025-11-08T19:46:40-0600

This one is better. There are ways to force the AI to render things correctly.
I made all caps and placed spaces between the letters of the longer words to force each letter to be rendered separately.
C O M P A S S I O N S
F A I T H F U L N E S S

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stained glass style rainbow colors
Banner "Mercies Renewed Every Morning"
"IT IS OF THE LORD'S MERCIES"
"THAT WE ARE NOT CONSUMED,"
"BECAUSE HIS C O M P A S S I O N S FAIL NOT."
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Bottom Banner
"They are new every morning: great is thy"
"F A I T H F U L N E S S."
Banner subscript "Lamentations 3:22-23 "

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-08T19:45:43-0600

Fervent said:
But you see, 34 is more than 1. So if we give them 34 pennies, they will gladly give us 1 $100 bill.

I've fallen for that trick before, and I'm not falling for it again. Good day Sir!

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-08T19:40:11-0600

Akita Suggagaki said:
Did God give it to you or did your ancestors take it from the indigenous people here first?

My ancestors? I don't know them. And in 100 more years, nobody alive can say they ever knew either of us. We won't even be a memory for anyone.

...But right now, in this time, this country belongs to the living citizens.

Hentenza · 2025-11-08T19:38:55-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
God cared about a tree in Eden. It’s just a tree, right? Or was it a test that changed everything.

irrelevant.

SabbathBlessings said:
I think one is missing the point behind it. It’s not just about Saturday or Sunday, it’s the power behind it and whose voice are we listening to. God commanded one thing, was very specific another power changed it not based on God’s Authroity, He warned us this would happen Dan7:25 and we see a clear history of it, most people followed this power (even without realizing it as it happened so long ago) instead of being faithful to what God said. It’s really a test of our loyalty, because we are told whoever we obey is who we serve (or worship) Rom6:16 And God’s remnant people keep God’s commandments Rev12:17

“And he will speak against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time. But the court will convene for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭25‬-‭26‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Daniel 7:26 But the court will convene for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

But the court will convene for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.

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Did you forget about verse 26? Are you again interpreting this verse to refer to all when it applies to only a subset of people? Not only that but I’d resolved in the next verse?

“So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12‬:‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Revelation 12:17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bib

So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

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Which commandments? This verse refers to Jesus so the commandments are His not the 10 commandments.

SabbathBlessings said:
I am a firm believer God really means what He says. If God commanded us to keep Tuesday holy, who are we to argue with our Maker. He was very specific about His Sabbath and what it means to Him. God stated plainly in His commandments written by the finger of God which is the Holy Spirit of Truth. He never said we can substitute what we don’t agree with for our own man-made ideas. He condemned this teaching Mar7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 I find the Sabbath to be the blessing and delight just as He promised Isa8:13-14 Isa56:2. I believe we are to change our lives around His word, not try to bend the Bible to fit our life. In the end it will be up to God. I think He made His case clearly, but I know you don’t agree, so I guess it will get sorted out soon enough. I do wish you well.

But you are missing the fact that He gave us a new covenant and a new covenant has different terms than the old covenant.

“‘And in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother, is certainly to be put to death’; but you say, ‘If a person says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is, given to God),’ you no longer allow him to do anything for his father or his mother; thereby invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7‬:‭7‬-‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Mark 7:7-13 ‘AND IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.’ Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” He was also saying to them, “You are experts at s | New American Standard Bible - NASB

‘AND IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.’ Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” He was also saying to them, “You are experts at s

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Do you not see your error in quoting these verses? This is a condemnation of the law because no one can keep the law perfectly.

“And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” he is not to honor his father or mother.’ And by this you have invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy about you, by saying: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. ‘And in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ” After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, “Hear and understand! It is not what enters the mouth that defiles the person, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles the person.” Then the disciples came and *said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?” But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. Leave them alone; they are blind guides of blind people. And if a person who is blind guides another who is blind, both will fall into a pit.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15‬:‭3‬-‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 15:3-14 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘THE ONE WHO SPEAKS EVIL O | New American Standard Bible - N

And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘THE ONE WHO SPEAKS EVIL O

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This is exactly why Jesus was crucified and nailed the law to the cross. No one can keep the law perfectly. Only Jesus was able yo keep the law perfectly so He fulfilled it. No one else could.

You are welcomed to keep the sabbath. You will not get any judgement from me but you have to stop accusing those that do not believe as you of living in sin and being idolaters. You have no right to judge others. That is God’s purview not yours.

SavedByGrace3 · 2025-11-08T19:37:53-0600

Again, see where AI messed up the word Faithfulness...

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-08T19:37:36-0600

Akita Suggagaki said:
Your the victims. Right?

You have to show us compassion too, or you're not following Christ. But if you want to go a different "way" then that's your way alone.

.Mikha'el. · 2025-11-08T19:35:31-0600

Why is it always a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Why couldn't it be a jelly and peanut butter sandwich? :scratch:

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