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Lost tribes of Israel

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Judaism believes that "Messianic Judaism" (MJ) is the ultimate form of broad Christianity and the heresy of Judaism, MJ is more likely to have a confusing effect. What the acceptable Christian model for Judaism is Noahide (son of Noah) Christianity.
MJ is considered the most powerful means of spreading Christianity to Jews. So Noahide Christianity is the response of Judaism to Christian evangelism. MJ can also be seen by Judaism as a pattern of Noahide Christianity . Judaism can communicate with it, but the most dangerous friend.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Nice try, but you just proved my point above in my previous post that all eternal torment proponents ultimately do to "win" their argument is accuse conditionalist/annihilationists like myself and universalits that they go against God, and hope that it gets people scared enough to not argue against them any further, or at least question the Scriptural veracity of eternal torment.

Funny how you holler and bellow that I am telling God He can't torture people for eternity if He wants - when I said no such thing, of course; just because I said I believe Scripture overwhelmingly indicates the fate of unbelievers as literal destruction rather than eternal conscious torment, doesn't mean that I say He can't do it if He wants .... although again personally I believe I malign His revealed character in Scripture if I do claim that He will torture for eternity, and I fear to do so - when what i did do was use words from Matthew that are recorded as being spoken by the Son of God Himself: Fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)

Again, in just that verse alone, apart from plenty of others that use plain wording such as destroy, destruction, consumed, perish, burned up, etc. , I don't know why ECT proponents expect us to interpret the word destroy there as somehow meaning "keep alive in physical and/or mental torture for eternity without ever actually destroying them".
Your theology is so twisted that you can't find a single verse in the bible to remotely support your unbiblical and silly nonsensical opinion that "annihilation" is mentioned in the bible. Allow me to assure you that no such silly thing exists. I will join your religion if you ever find a single shred of evidence to support it.

You have also fallen for the other big lie, of "universalism". You will never find a shred of evidence to support this silly idea either. If you ever do, please let me know and I'll jump over to your religion immediately.

Please go and do a google search, and ask the robot if the word "destroy" as used in the context of Matt 10:28 means "annihilate" or "cessation of existence" or any other term to support your magical disappearing act.

While your there, ask our friend how many context the words "death" "dying" "dead" "die", are used in. Then come back and tell me how many support your opinion which is obviously based on your emotions and feelings. I take it you must have loved ones who died in their sin, and you refuse to face the awful truth of the matter.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

So you already have dismissed everyone I linked. None have expertise and an education. Why should I even engage. This is what will happen now that you have dismissed everything. I will dismiss everything you as lacking credibility. Same rule applies.
Your response once again indicates the intellectual level you operate at, a cult like devotion for individuals who are not experts in the fields relevant to this thread.
I make no apologies for dismissing their pseudoscience as I have been very clear in my reasons using science and evidence.
You on the other hand from practically the first post have attacked my credibility and everyone else’s for questioning your so called experts as a substitute for your inability of providing any counterarguments.

Ignoring the science and evidence while flooding this thread with images and links clearly beyond your understanding would make Duane Gish proud but is no substitute for counterarguments.
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God doesn't chuck stones at the earth!
You're the only person who has ever talked about God chucking stones at the earth.
What is rain - God watering his garden?
Do we have lightning because God has a faulty lightbulb? Or thunder because he's moving furniture around in his mansions?
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The Pharisees are winning

Politics should not divide Christians. But there is a battle between Christians and a large group right now that derives their morality from atheist secular humanist thought. That's where a lot of "woke" ideology comes from, and they place that ideology above God's. That's why Charlie Kirk was shot, they thought their morality overrode his Christian teaching.
Yes I really think that it appears at least that much of the culture wars even going back to the 60s revolutions was the development of a new or alternative ideological belief to God.

Though it is expressed in many different ways such as 'Counter Culture', Humanism' or 'Woke'. It is a spiritual ideology about how the world should be ordered and who should be doing the ordering.

But as time has gone by and the secular manifesto has had its time its gone from an all inclusive world to culture wars where society has been gradually divided into identity groups with opposing worldview beliefs.

The aim of the 'Slow March through the Insitutions' was that the political became the personal. In bring in the personal we also bring in the spiritual. So now as this is fundementally a spiritual battle everything is actually becoming belief and Christianity is seen as the greatest threat to that New World order without God.

Add to this at the same time Islamists have been rising up with basicially the same ideology which is against Jews, the west and by extention Christ and Christians. In fact Islam has really always been about Christ in particular. A replacement for Christ.

So added together there are cross overs between the Islamist and the rising anti Christian sentiment which is fueling each other. It is building into a spiritual battle that I think will not deminish. I think at the same time as a result of such times and reproving great bold Christians will also rise up.

The time is ripe. Whenever there is great rejection of God and presecution and deception of Christians God makes Himself known in Christ.
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In that case the earth should be strewn with them as in 1833 this happened;

A meteorite storm where 200,000 meteorites an hour bombarded the earth.

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But most meteorites burn up in the earth's atmosphere (I think because of heat generated at they pass through the atmosphere). I found this in a Google search:

"Pieces of natural space debris — typically rocky shards of comets or asteroids — occasionally survive their journeys through Earth's atmosphere and strike the ground, but how often does an event like this actually occur?


While large impacts are fairly rare, thousands of tiny pieces of space rock, called meteorites, hit the ground each year. However, the majority of these events are unpredictable and go unnoticed, as they land in vast swathes of uninhabited forest or in the open waters of the ocean." (my emphasis)
This was an electrical phenomena.
How do you know? You have just made a statement with no evidence at all.
God doesn't chuck stones at the earth!
When you said this before, I said that I never even mentioned the idea of God "chucking stones at the earth." I don't know why you mention such a thing. I hadn't.
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Chiropractics offends me

"A "DO" stands for a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine, a fully licensed physician who uses a holistic, patient-centered approach to healthcare. Like a Doctor of Medicine (MD), a DO can prescribe medicine, perform surgery, and practice in any medical specialty. However, DOs receive additional training in the musculoskeletal system and are taught to treat the interconnectedness of the body's mind, body, and spirit." google ai

Leaves me wondering what spiritual training they receive.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Because God is love, and love simply does not act in that manner.

I would never attempt to convince you to believe what God has said, because I know most "professing Christians" don't believe what God has said, because it hurts their feelings, I get it.


Yeah, except that people like you don't live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. If you don't like what He said, you start looking for "weasel clauses" and other ways to avoid what you don't like. The Eucharist, for example, is a classic case of this. For the first fifteen centuries, it was known that the Eucharist is exactly what Christ said it would be - the very Body and Blood of our Lord which hung on the Cross for our salvation.

The same is true for those who do not like the idea of God really and actually having a love so expansive and great that He forgives and heals ALL sinners, not just those we like. (In other words, we don't like Hitler, so how dare God ultimately save him, but our drunken father who beats us, well, perhaps we hope that God's mercy will override his sins.)
None of the doctrines that you hod to are based on Gods Word. All of them, without exception are based on the Gnosticism.

You will never find ma single verse of scripture to support the Gnostic doctrine that the Lord Jesus taught "cannibalism" and that's exactly what you are suggesting here.

The Lords Supper is celebrated to commemorate, what the Lord did on the cross, to purchase salvation for "Gods elect". The Lord said, at the last supper, "do this in remembrance of Me". So that's what we do, but we don't perform some kind of ritual, using black magic or witchcraft to turn the elements of the bread and wine, into flesh and blood.

The Gnostics came up with "transubstantiation", it never existed in the Apostolic Church, neither did any of the other rituals that your Eastern Orthodox Denomination invented.

To suggest that God is love, is another ignorant statement, because we know that God is hate. God said He hated Esau before Esau was born. How does that fit in with your "God is love" opinion. God not only hates people before they are born but He also hates their deeds while they live in this life. He said He hates the deeds of the Nicolaitans in Rev 2:15

You will never find a single verse to support this heretical view that God loves everyone and wishes to save everyone. But the opposite is true, God so hated the world that He killed every single man, woman, child and unborn babies in their mothers womb, with a flood. And He will cast that vast majority of mankind into the lake of fire to be tormented for all eternity. Now that's a God of love
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Trump celebrated Thanksgiving with Epstein during his first term in office

The difference is Obama was the 44th president for two terms. Trump has only been the 47th president for one term.
or Obama will be the 47th President for 0 terms? Anyway, it won't matter, Trump will be fortunate to finish out this term.
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America Is the ‘No. 1 Buyer of Boys and Girls Around the World’—Tim Tebow Talks About Fighting Sexual Slavery on ‘Flagrant’ Podcast

Tebow, author of the new book “Look Again,” appeared on a popular podcast this week to discuss his faith and his advocacy work. On the Nov. 12 episode of “Flagrant,” hosted by comedians Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh, Tebow talked about Christianity, living out his faith, and working to save children trapped in sexual slavery.

Tebow, 38, is a former professional athlete, Heisman Trophy winner, and new father. While playing sports, he was often mocked for kneeling in prayer, wearing Bible verses in his eye black, and pledging to remain a virgin until marriage.

This week’s conversation on “Flagrant” began with some of those topics, giving Tebow opportunities to share the gospel message. The activist then spent a large chunk of time addressing the evils of child trafficking and exploitation—and how he’s working to combat them.

Tim Tebow: ‘God Is Not Far From the Suffering’


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This is shocking and makes me angry. At least with the church we were able to call them out and make them accountable.

But this corruption and evil in high hidden places is doubly evil. It not only commits the evil but cultivates it within the mainstream system and covers it up under layers of lies.

It makes itself embedded in the same system that proclaims a better way than the church and moralises others to deflect the truth. It can never be accountable in this world as the world itself laid the platform for such evil without God.

God will judge them and their time is coming soon.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

It is not.
Why is it not. You make a claim that Dunn for example is presenting Woo. The only evidence you show is your objection. You don't present any reasoning or evidence from a scienific analysis. So where is the epistemic rigor and following the standards of proper science in backing up those words.

Its poor epistemics even failing the same science standards to accept such unsupported claims. It does a disservice to thehard work and research put in by the researchers and relegates it to personal opinion.
None of them are expert Egyptologists.
Ah here we go, dictating the epistemics on who is the expert on the works. OK Petrie was one of the worlds top Egyptologists as well as a machinist. He agrees with the whackos lol.

But I can here the objections, but he's just an old bloke whose opinion is outdated.

So do you think if we were looking at say tools and the making of works with tools and the signatures they leave in stone that perhaps a precision tool maker and engineer may be better to determine things than an Egyptologist.

If we were looking at the chemical and material makeups of stones which would be better an Egyptologist or a Chemist or minerals expert or whatever it is we are specifically looking at.

You seem to think being an Egyptologist gives them all knowing expertise in all areas more than the specialists themselves. I think this is partly why you make many assumptions based on a poor understanding of epistemics and the different paradigms that make up knowledge.
It was not verified.
Hum then how do you explain this

Resonant response of the Great Pyramid interacting with external electromagnetic waves of the radio frequency range (the wavelength range is 200–600 m) is theoretically investigated. With the help of numerical simulations and multipole decomposition, it is found that spectra of the extinction and scattering cross sections include resonant features associated with excitation of the Pyramid's electromagnetic dipole and quadrupole moments. Electromagnetic field distributions inside the Pyramid at the resonant conditions are demonstrated and discussed for two cases, when the Pyramid is located in a homogeneous space or on a substrate. It is revealed that the Pyramid's chambers can collect and concentrate electromagnetic energy for the both surrounding conditions. In the case of the Pyramid on the substrate, at the shorter wavelengths, the electromagnetic energy accumulates in the chambers providing local spectral maxima for electric and magnetic fields.

Calculations showed that in the resonant state, the pyramid can concentrate electromagnetic energy in the its internal chambers as well as under its base, where the third unfinished chamber is located.
I have read their "investigations". It is low quality writing.
See this is what I mean. Is this your version of peer review. A 5 word sentense holds more credibility than pages of tests and analysis. Its shows double standards and that you have already made your mind up and dismiss all the good work as Woo. That double standard in itself is a disqualifier.
It is fantasy knowledge "discovered" by nobodies.
OK so it looks like you have made up your mind. Everyone who proposes something different are deluded and nobodies. Why even engage then lol. Are you on some mission to save the unenlightened.
I'd have no problem doing that. Shiny stone vases aren't even close to the most important thing about early Egyptian civilization.
Yes but if your imposing your opinion even claiming to know better than stone masons or precision tool makers then you have to tell them and show how they are wrong. But how can you if you don't have the expertise. You seem to think you do regardless that you can dismiss their opinion as Woo.
Sowing needle? Jethro Tull invented the seed drill in 1701.
OK so if we found a sowing needle in predynastic egypt though such a tiny and insignificant thing would be a big thing to sewing machinists lol. Your imposing your opinion over all other experts in field you know nothing about.
Neither timeframe is even clos to that of ancient Egypt 6000 years ago.
I mean a modern needle. We can find all sorts of pots like coconuts or even a hollow in a rock dating back 100s of 1,000s of years. I mean modern versions that are out of place.
You do not cite experts in Egyptology. The other posters have.
Because this is a logical fallacy that you insist on a non expert from another field to be an expert in a field they have no specialisation. It is whoever has the closest expertise to what is specifically being looked at. If its precision tooling and engineering then Egyptology does not trump precision tooling and machinists.
For the love of sanity, read a professional Egyptologist from the last 50 years. Petrie has been dead for about 100 years.
So has Eienstein. Your making a logical fallacy that because Petrie has been gone that his Egyptology, Archeology and machinist expertise in irrelevant. Petrie actually set the standards for Egyptology that is still the standard today.
I've told you several times after examining that paper that it isn't about what you think it is about. That your "sources" feed that to you makes me think they are frauds.
Ah once again you are not providing absolutely any evidence showing how its wrong. You are almost demanding that I believe you now without any evidence. Is not that a poor basis for anyone to accept a claim. Almost like because you say you have told me before that somehow telling me again holds more credibility.

Show me. You have never shown anything. Which just like you summise I summise as suspect that you cannot actually provide any evidence. I have persisted on different claims
I did an actual review of a garbage paper on "sonics" last night.
Well show me.
Already been done here and not just by me. I am not obligated to repeatedly correct your misunderstandings if you won't listen.
No no one on this thread has provided anything formal or official. Go do the tests, make the paper with sections showing the analysis, procedures, methods and results. Showing a breakdown of how the tests done are wrong. Not picking out some word or tiny difference in microns.

No thread like this would count as anything credible. I mean how could it when there are obvious logical fallacies all through it and we can clearly see bias. I mean Petrie was called an old man who knows nothing, experts called amateurs which is obviously false because they did have some qualifications above amateurs.

I am applying the same standards as others on this thread. Show me the peer review otherwise its all bunk and conspiracy itself.
Yes, I get it, religion is bad and useless.
Which biases your views on anything that fallas outside the material worldview you hold. You have a mission to show those poor Christians they are deluded because your belief is the true one.
shove off.
You can give it but not take it. Why are you still here.
You pollute this thread with so much "content" in your gallops of Gish that one must skip some of it to have time to do anything else on this site. If you posted less chaff, you might get more response.
Its my thread and what you think is polluting is your opinion. If its so pulluted then why are you here.
They are not out of place. The sequence of pyramid development is very clear and well established through the last century of archeological study. It's time for you to read real Egyptology done after WW2.
So you don't think that holding the record as the highest building in the world 4,500 years before it was broken is not an amazing feat for that time. You are hard to please. Nost people would acknowledge such a feat. In fact you hear in the language that people are amazed all the time.
Which is cool, but not an argument against the time line.
Ah first we have to recognise the greatness of the works before the timeline. If you relegate it all to nothing then theres nothing to find out of place. I think this is at least a subjective thing and therefore a case can be made.
And various posters have addressed this repeatedly. Pay attention.
I have been paying attention and no one has explained the various cuts in stone. They have offered claims but no evidence to explain how these signatures are made by traditional methods. Only fallacies like "if you can't show the actual device or tool then its false" which is a fallacy and does not negate the signatures we see with our naked eyes right before us.

Once again the signature of machining and lathing on a predynastic vase under the pyramid still on site. So no fallacies of provenance. This very example examined by Christ Smith a precision tool expert of 50 years. Who explains how it was machined.

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Once again a clear saw cut in the form of an arc with fine and sharp edges a straight copper saw could not do. Why don't you be honest like others and admit it looks like a modern machine cut.

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Once again a very long cut into the surface that is thin and follows the contour of the stone. This cut extends around 20 feet long. Like a planer sliced off a thin layer maintaining a super straight, thin and sharp cutting line along the rough surface of the uncut rock.. Something the orthodox method cannot do. If you think it can then explain how and show evidence.

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What about the clear router marks. Are you not seein this. Just admit that they look like machine cuts. You don't have to agree that they actually are. But to keep pretending they don't look like they obviously do is what makes me think that people are wanting to deny the evidence.

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I haven't read *all* of their garbage, but I have read enough to know that it is garbage.
That you call it garbage before reading it shows your bias.
shove off again
Like I said you can give it but not take it.
Who is Chris King and what is his expertise in Egyptology?
Before I answer that do you think that an Egyptologists or precision tool maker would be best to tell the tooling methods on anything whether its from Egypt or the medieval times. Who is better equipped to tell this specific technical aspect.
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The End Time Puzzle

Combining the information from Daniel 8: 13,14 and Daniel 12: 11,12 with some texts from the book of Revelation, and taking into account the phases of the Moon (see - April 2141 Moon Phases Calendar - MoonPhases.org ), the possible date and time of the Second Coming is - Thursday, June 22, 2141 AD, about 17 minutes before sunrise (considered the city of Jerusalem, Israel). It is understood that the shortened days (see Matthew 24: 22) for there to be survivors are the 3 summer months, because the day of "Yom Kippur" originally always fell on the day of the autumnal equinox (Saturday, September 23, 2141).

P.S. - So, sisters and brothers, Christians, take courage! After about 6030 weeks (until this date - June 22, 2141) - We will be resurrected!

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I will just leave this one here. ^^

For those who are lazy, World's biggest IQ guy says Jesus will return in less than 10 years time. :)
And he is right. :D
Keep dreaming about 21XX. :D

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I see now why the globe is so accepted, because it can be visualized and set upon a pedestal to be worshiped.
People can idolise flat earth too.
Idolise as in writing posts about it, finding arguments in favour of it, and even Scriptures, that "illustrate" it, searching on YouTube for videos which explain it. There are even groups of people who teach, and promote, flat earth - even though it is not all important, has nothing to do with salvation, belief in God or Christian growth.
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Say hey this is our beautiful, etc... home.
You don't think that the world that God made is beautiful?
But God's true creation the flat and stationary earth can not be made into an object of worship.
Anything can be made into an object of worship if people are so determined.
Look at all those who are obsessed with pop/film/sports stars, a particular tv programme, a certain food, hobbies, work, booze - even conspiracy theories.
Set upon a stand to be spun around in a class room and worshiped as the home of humanity.​
Yes because everyone worships globes, don't they.
Get real.
-But a man/satan created globe can be and is alas we have earth day.​
Like I said, anything can be made into an object of worship if people want it to be.

And we have earth day to focus peoples minds on the earth and its resources. To encourage people to care for the earth- as God intended - and not pollute and destroy it.
I've never heard anyone saying "today is the day that we worship the earth. Everyone must spend the whole day on their knees, reading poems about how wonderful it is that the earth is a globe."
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Who then can be saved?

He is not obliged to take them to heaven, but to give them opportunity to repent and be worthy of heaven, because He said His way is fair Ezekiel 18, and that He will be judging in righteousness, that is not my opinion, that is what He through Paul said, Acts 17:30-31

"But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver but also of wood and earth, and some to honor and others dishonor. If a man purge himself from dishonor, he shall be a vessel of honor, sanctified and meet for the masters use and prepared until every good work." 2 Timothy 2:20-21

"How can a man cleanse his way? By taking heed unto the word of God." Psalm 119:9-10

Commanding someone to do what they can not possibly do is called evil in the Bible; Exodus 5:23 KJV one must also read the whole chapter for context.

God is not evil . Therefore, according to solid scripture, not my opinion, it is possible for anyone to find repentance via faith in Christ.

"Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.'" Romans 10:17

You are saying that faith comes some other way, and the scripture does not say such.
And as someone else pointed out to you
John 6:45
"...He therefore that has heard and has learned from the Father comes to me."

The way anyone hears from the Father is through His word. We are to be in the business of sharing His word and the good news about Him with each and every creature, as He commanded.

"Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature...". Mark 16:15-16
I have debunked your interpretation of all of these verses before. I'm not sure why you think that repeating false interpretations over and over again will convince me to reject what God has said and believe in your private opinions instead.

I have asked you to find a single verse in the bible to support your unbiblical, Arminian version of the gospel, which holds to the "saved by works", instead of the Biblical "saved by grace" gospel.


“The Order of Salvation”

1. Election (God’s choice of people to be saved)

2. The gospel call (proclaiming the message of the gospel)

3. Regeneration (being born again)

4. Conversion (faith and repentance)

5. Justification (right legal standing)

6. Adoption (membership in God’s family)

7. Sanctification (right conduct of life)

8. Perseverance (remaining a Christian)

9. Death (going to be with the Lord)

10. Glorification (receiving a resurrection body)


Does the New Testament Teach Predestination?
Several passages in the New Testament confirm quite clearly that God ordained beforehand those who would be saved. When Paul and Barnabas began to preach to the Gentiles in Antioch in Pisidia, Luke writes, “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of God; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed” (Acts 13:48).
It is significant that Luke mentions the fact of election almost in passing. It is as if this were the normal occurrence when the gospel was preached. How many believed? “As many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”

In Romans 8:28–30, we read:
We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren. And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified.

In the following chapter, when talking about God’s chosing Jacob and not Esau, Paul says it was not because of anything that Jacob or Esau had done, but simply in order that God’s purpose of election might continue.

Though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad, in order that God’s purpose of election might continue not because of works but because of his call, she was told, “The elder will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” (Rom. 9:11–13)

Regarding the fact that some of the people of Israel were saved, but others were not, Paul says: “Israel failed to obtain what it sought. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened” (Rom. 11:7). Here again Paul indicates two distinct groups within the people of Israel. Those who were “the elect” obtained the salvation that they sought, while those who were not the elect simply “were hardened.”

Paul talks explicitly about God’s choice of believers before the foundation of the world in the beginning of Ephesians.

He chose us in him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and blameless before him. He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace.” (Eph. 1:4–6)

Here Paul is writing to believers and he specifically says that God “chose us” in Christ, referring to believers generally. In a similar way, several verses later he says, “We who first hoped in Christ have been destined and appointed to live for the praise of his glory” (Eph. 1:12).

He writes to the Thessalonians, “For we know, brethren beloved by God, that he has chosen you; for our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction” (1 Thess. 1:4–5).

Paul says that the fact that the Thessalonians believed the gospel when he preached it (“for our gospel came to you … in power … and with full conviction”) is the reason he knows that God chose them. As soon as they came to faith Paul concluded that long ago God had chosen them, and therefore they had believed when he preached. He later writes to the same church, “We are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning to be saved through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth” (2 Thess. 2:13).

When Paul talks about the reason why God saved us and called us to himself, he explicitly denies that it was because of our works, but points rather to God’s own purpose and his unmerited grace in eternity past. He says God is the one “who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not in virtue of our works but in virtue of his own purpose and the grace which he gave us in Christ Jesus ages ago” (2 Tim. 1:9).

When Peter writes an epistle to hundreds of Christians in many churches in Asia Minor, he writes, “To God’s elect … scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia” (1 Peter 1:1). He later calls them “a chosen race” (1 Peter 2:9). Also 2 Peter 1:3,10…

In John’s vision in Revelation, those who do not give in to persecution and begin to worship the beast are persons whose names have been written in the book of life before the foundation of the world: “And authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation, and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain” (Rev. 13:7–8)
In a similar way, we read of the beast from the bottomless pit in Revelation 17: “The dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to behold the beast, because it was and is not and is to come” (Rev. 17:8).

The New Testament authors often present the doctrine of election as a comfort to believers. When Paul assures the Romans that “in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose” (Rom. 8:28), he gives God’s work of predestination as a reason why we can be assured of this truth. He explains in the next verse, “For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son … And those whom he predestined he also called … justified … glorified” (Rom. 8:29–30).

Paul says, “He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace” (Eph. 1:5–6). Similarly, he says, “We who first hoped in Christ have been destined and appointed to live for the praise of his glory” (Eph. 1:12).

If you reject all of the above passages of scripture, then I have no choice other than to conclude that you're not interested in the truth of the gospel and your aim is not to defend the gospel but it's to defend your own private opinion to save face.
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Well, as you unfortunately do so often, you just made the statement, "Also one to consider is that these so-called incoming meteorites are not physical rocks that burn up in the atmosphere, but are instead electrical discharge events, hence no rocks that land on earth." without providing any evidence to support the statement. Yet one can do a Google image search for "meteorites" and literally hundreds of pictures come up of meteorites too large to have burned up completely in the earth's atmosphere. Here's one example:

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I then searched for "Are meteorites electrical discharges?", and got this:

"No, meteorites are not electrical discharges; they are physical objects from space, but their passage through the atmosphere is associated with electrical phenomena. The bright light and fragmentation are often caused by the meteoroid's electrical potential interacting with the atmosphere, leading to discharges that can cause it to explode. "

In that case the earth should be strewn with them as in 1833 this happened;

A meteorite storm where 200,000 meteorites an hour bombarded the earth.

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This was an electrical phenomena.

God doesn't chuck stones at the earth!
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Who then can be saved?

You didn’t answer the question. Did God want them to sin or were they doing something that God didn’t want them to do?
As I sated earlier, both of your options are nonsensical. God never wants anything, if He ever wanted anything then He wouldn't be God.
You might want a Ferrari, instead of your Nissan. But you can't afford a Ferrari so all you can do is dream about owning one. God is not like you, if He desired a Ferrari He would have one in a flash. So you need to stop bringing God down to your level.
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Who then can be saved?

It you understood the gospel you'd know that God doesn't fail; He allows man to fail and that's why we have a place called hell. Hell is a choice, to remain separate from God with all that implies.

The bible's not a book now? Beards? You're thinking of some other group I guess but either way I'll say you certainly like to argue, but ignorantly and unconvincingly. You assume I'm wrong. You haven't studied on your own enough to even know.
I don't enjoy taking my big red marker and putting big red crosses through all of your opinions. You are entitled to your own private opinions, but just remember there are 8 billion other opinions out there and most contradict and oppose each other.

Your private and unbiblical opinion that "hell is a choice, to remain separate from God", couldn't be further from the truth. You only say that because you obviously don't know how horrific and painful hell is.

You reckon hell is a choice but Gods Word confirms that nobody choses hell, the truth is Jesus throws people in there, while they are begging for mercy. Jesus shows no mercy and casts them into the lake of fire where they spend eternity swimming in red hot lava while they scream in agony at the top of their voices. Now does that sound like a place anyone would choose????
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Who then can be saved?

It’s a personal letter written from Paul to Timothy. The only we and us in there is Paul and Timothy. You don’t use the words we and us in a letter to a particular person when you’re referring to someone else. Anyone with a second grade education knows that.
OK, ,so you believe Paul was including the reprobate in his letter to Timothy. Anyone with a second grade education knows that is nonsense
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The Lord's Wrath - How will it Happen

This much prophesied, still to come, Lords Day of vengeance and wrath – will happen at the same time as an attack against Israel. Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 People think there may be a nuclear exchange, but what is more certain is what the prophets say:
Jeremiah 50:25 The Lord opens His armoury and brings forth the weapons of His wrath, for this is His work to be done in the lands of the godless peoples. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
Isaiah 34:5 For My sword appears in heaven, it descends in judgement…….
Psalm 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven, raining fiery coals onto the wicked. ……
Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, like a whirlwind. He will judge with fire, His sword will test mankind and many will be slain by Him.
Isaiah 33:10-12 Now I shall arise, says the Lord, I will exalt Myself. You will be as chaff and stubble, a wind like fire will consume you. Whole nations will be heaps of white ash, like thorns cut down and set on fire.
Psalm 144:5-6 Lord, part the heavens. Make lightning flashes far and wide.
Isaiah 30:30 Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty...descending in fierce anger with devouring flames of fire amid storms and hail.
Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from God, a sweeping whirlwind which whirls around the heads of the wicked. The Lords fierce anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes. In Days to come you will understand.
Isaiah 29:5-6 Yet, the horde of Your enemies will crumble into dust, fly away like chaff. Suddenly in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with storms, thunder, earthquakes and great noise and a flame of devouring fire. 2 Peter 3:7
Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched by the Lord, the people are like fuel for the fire.
Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, its Holy One a flame, which, in one day will burn up and consume His thorns and briars.
Isaiah 30:26-30 On the Day that the Lord saves His people, the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness and the moon will be as bright as the sun……
See; the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. His lips are charged with wrath and His tongue is a devouring fire. His breath is like a torrent in spate. He sieves out the nations for destruction.
Isaiah 63:1-6

What these (and many other) prophecies, seem to be describing is sunspot activity.
Maybe the sun is building up to a huge Coronal Mass Ejection, something we do experience with minor CME’s. They happen very suddenly and unexpectedly, reaching earth within hours and are capable of causing enormous damage and deaths worldwide.
All electrical and communications systems, industry, transport; our modern infrastructure could be destroyed, or at least severely damaged. Armies would be back to 1800’s technology.

A CME explosion of the suns surface, as described in Isaiah 30:26, by the sun flashing 7 times brighter, would be one of unprecedented magnitude and would literally cause all the graphically Prophesied effects. For example; the moon would shine bright red as it reflects this suns explosive flash, plus a thermoluminescent reaction between the metallic oxides of the moon with the superheated Hydrogen mass, also causing our satellites to crash to the earth, like ripe figs falling.
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Release from Epstein files

They didn't know that at the time. The meeting was basically a ruse. Trump Jr, Kushner, and Manafort got duped and nothing of significance took place. What you and others are doing is grasping at straws. Russiagate was supposed to involve a whole lot more than just a couple of insignificant meetings, where nothing actually happened. If that's all a two year investigation came up with, then Russiagate was a nothingburger and mostly a hoax.
???? They didn't know it at the time so that excuses them from trying to hammer out a deal in exchange for Hillary dirt.
That is some gold mental winning mental gymnastics.
Using your logic if someone is working out a arrangement to have their spouse murdered, but didn't know the hit man was actually the authorities. Then that doesn't count and it's one big nothing burger because the event didn't occur.
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I see now why the globe is so accepted, because it can be visualized and set upon a pedestal to be worshiped. People can look at the created image of a globe earth and idolize it. Say hey this is our beautiful, etc... home.
Yes, every morning I take my Mercator globe out of it's crystal case and put it up on the altar in our living room and spend a good 30min worshipping it. Oh wait, I don't actually have a Mercator globe or any other kind of globe for that matter, so scratch that.
You really give no credit to those who don't believe as you do.
But God's true creation the flat and stationary earth can not be made into an object of worship.
You guys seem to be doing just that.
The whole creation can not be known and visualized and made into little object. Set upon a stand to be spun around in a class room and worshiped as the home of humanity. But a man/satan created globe can be and is alas we have earth day.
The earth is just one tiny, almost insignificant part of the whole of God's creation. No one is putting it on a pedestal.
Earth day is the creation of climate change alarmists. Those taking part are only virtue signalling. No one is worshipping the earth.

The fact is that most people give zero thought to the earth being a globe unless it is important in their work, such as surveyors, airline pilots or people navigating the oceans. Oh, and people launching satellites. For the rest of us we give it about as much thought as we do about breathing. The only time I give it any thought is when I am responding to the nonsense claimed by you and your fellow flatties.
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It isn't referring to any of the numerous forgeries that claim to be the book of Jasher. In fact it is highly likely that Book of Jasher (meaning, Book of the Upright or the Book of the Just Man) is simply a reference to the Pentateuch.
There are no traces or remnants of the supposed "lost book of Jasher", not even in quotations by other authors. Every publication which claims to be the rediscovery of the "book of Jasher" is a forgery. It seems very odd that a book that supposedly recorded certain major events in Jewish history would not have been included in the Hebrew bible, let alone vanish without a trace, but if it is just another name for the Books of Moses, then it makes perfect sense and has not been lost at all.

Interesting & informative - Thank you
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No Mayor - you cannot control privately owned businesses - if they want to leave, they can.

Most cities do quite well managing trash services, police, fire, and other essential services. Or would you rather return to the days of the Pinkertons?
Well, unlike Seattle grocery stores, trash services, police, fire, and other essential are not closing due to rampant shoplifting. So who is going to pay for all the food that is going to be stolen from these public stores? Answer: A tax payer base that will quickly shrink.
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