David Lamb said:

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Time to do a tiny bit of research. I wonder what they are hiding in the north pole.

BCP1928 said:

Not by "religion."

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I thought you just said that they don't want to be told what to do by some religious group.

BCP1928 said:

Or you can just define them out of existence.

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I am not sure what you mean. Who is being defined out of existence.

BCP1928 said:

Because I don't consider them a threat to Constitutional government.

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So you only see men and religious groups as a threat. What about others who may see these identity groups as a threat. Just because you don't doesn't mean they are not a threat. Some people see the rise of Marxist ideology a threat.

We have seen the rise in radical groups in recent years due to the culture war. More extreme politics and people willing to use violence.

BCP1928 said:

Not at the groups, only at their public policy agenda.

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Ok so why is it only about these groups public policy agendas. Do not other groups like say women, non religious groups of various sorts, environmental groups, BLM groups, Femninist, Marxist, Socialist, Trans activists groups, Liberal or progressive groups that push their agenda.

Why is it the religious group (specifically Christian) and specifically men. What is it about the religious groups policy agenda that should be singled out as opposed to other identity groups.

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Not a chance. You'll just have to define them as non religious because they are progressives.

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Ok it doesn't matter. Like I said it really is a choice between whether abortion is ok or not. Or whether its biblical marriage or not. Its just to be a progressive within the Left you have to accept moral positions that will conflict with biblical norms.

Your more likely to end up in that situation by the fact that progressive in secular society means whatever the current generation thinks is morally ok. That happens to be pro choice and SSM ect.

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They mave have started out as moral precepts but the state has no power to make a moral judgement, only a legal one.

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What do you mean "They may have started out as moral precepts"

Is not a legal judgement include the moral aspect. If pro choice is protected for abortion is that not also making a moral judgement that the State is allowing pro choice over anti abortion. Its an ethical dilemma. A choice between two ethical scenarios. One persons rights over anothers. Thats moral.

BCP1928 said:

They were all protesting the actions of the state, not its ideology.

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I though they were protesting 'white supremecy and the white system of oppression' that had been institutionalised. If people protest against the States laws of say anti abortion what is the difference between whether its the State aparatus or the actions of such.

Why is it not all about what is morally right or wrong regardless of whether its the State system or the actions of those representing the State. Its still about morality.

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You think all of that is anti-Christian?

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No I am saying these are all associated with ethics. The State cannot seperate morality out of these situations. The State is the body of humans who are the political party with their set of political ideologies which includes moral precepts.

BCP1928 said:

Injustice is what they are protesting. The immorality of it is for the clergy who also oppose it to consider..

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The 'Injustice' is the morality lol.

BCP1928 said:

And somebody later added, "Be careful they don't hate Him because of Christians."

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Yes that was Satan trying to conflate evil with Christ. You know very well what I mean and the world will hate Christians because of Christs truth. Do you think this is truth.

Do you think there is a difference in the morals of this world and Christians under Christ. Do you think we are all sinners and that need Christ.

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Which Trump is trying to turn the US into, at the behest of his Christian Nationalist base.

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No its not just Trump and radical Christians. Thats just a reaction to other radical groups that have been allowed to fester and bring chaos. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Christ church is not even in the game. They are out there somewhere and I think rising as their own group that is different to the rest. A light in the darkness of all this culture wars.

BCP1928 said:

AOC is a devout Christian and Mandami is a Shia Muslim with a version of the Ten Commandments tougher and more specific than yours.

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Politics has come down to identity and politicians like AOC have been the cultivaters of such hate and division by making everything about race, gender and other identities. How do you know AOC is not a wolf in sheeps clothing. It seems to me this type of politics is very harmful and bad fruit.

Valletta said:

The stories were debunked long ago.

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Nothing then. Thought so.

Moving on.

Welcome to the CF forums

Sorry I cant help with your request Hope you can arrange to hear The Bible that works for you.

Aryeh Jay said:

I dono, Edgar could really rock the lingerie of the time.

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I'm sure he was the belle of the ball.



-- A2SG, Kash has big, very stylish, high heeled shoes to fill....

When dreams are from The Lord, there is a purpose. We can always pray and asks Him about them.

Perpetual Student said:

2) I challenge you to show me any post in support of illegal immigration, terrorists or drug cartels.

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About the second part, if you are not 100% supportive of the Presidents mission that used two shots to obliterate a small fast boat with 11 dangerous criminals and enemies of the United States off the coast of Trinidad but clearly heading to the United States thousands of miles away in order to flood our country with dangerous drugs, then yes, you are clearly in the same league as Osama bin Laden and Pablo Escobar.

Just the personal opinion of someone who has no idea of anything of importance. I can't even find Trinidad on a map.

Happy birthday to @DragonFox91! I hope you have a great day, buddy!

Hans Blaster said:

Seriously, dude, you are writing 2 paragraphs in reponse to my note to *other* readers (that is the ones that aren't you) about how this sub-thread is off topic. Can you just try not responding to something?

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Sorry I can't help it lol. As you can see I covered a lot of history in those posts. I think its needed for context. What is happening now is the result of that history.

A2SG said:

Do we really need another FBI head wearing women's clothing?

-- A2SG, dunno, maybe it's a job requirement....

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I dono, Edgar could really rock the lingerie of the time.

sjastro said:

As usual you just don’t get it.
Technological progress prior to the advent of Methological Naturalism occurred by accident such as the Kahun Medical papyrus pregnancy test, or through inspiration or creativity which has a physical basis using the analysis of Einstein’s brain as a reference.

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Ok so you are saying all knowledge comes from the physical and naturalistic processes and there no such such thing as any transcendent knowledge like spirituality or consciousness beyond the physical brain.

sjastro said:

Do I need to remind you the point of this nonsensical thread is the ancient Egyptians possessed hi level technologies which is now due to some deep connection with nature where you cannot explain how the technologies emerged let alone evidence of their existence?

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Maybe thats why your having trouble as its not just about Egyptian advanced knowledge and tech but the giant flaw in the history told by orthodoxy. So thats more about philosophy.

We went into some specific examples that may support that advanced knowledge. But we could also go into other examples all around the world. This also includes the cognitive evolution going back 300k rather than 50k. How discoveries like GT are pushing back the timeline and changing the level of knowledge the ancients had.

But its every bit philosophy, epistemics and culture as the specific examples. Even more so related to how we see knowledge.

Your also forgetting that my attempt to explain how the ancients gained advanced knowledge is spectulation. In fact its more about philosophy, epistemics and metaphsyics than the hard sciences like physics.

sjastro said:

Now we have colorblind Mary as a philosophical argument which is irrelevant as it deals with subjective experience and whether physical knowledge captures consciousness and has absolutely nothing to do with the actual evidence of the technologies used by the Egyptians in manufacturing and construction.

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As I said if the ancients had a more direct experience in nature and reality then they would have gained a deeper knowledge of nature and relality. Just like Marys experience of Red could only come from her subjective experience. So to is the deeper knowledge of reality.

In fact even science supports the idea that Mind and consciousness are fundemental and not objective physical reality. So if the ancients were more in tune with this fundemental reality. Then they also gained knowledge of fundemental reality from the bottom up and not the top down worldview.

sjastro said:

Get over it, the evidence clearly shows the Egyptians used tooling as discovered by the archaeologists not your deluded, cognitive dissonant and confirmation bias relying on pseudoscience sites and amateurs claiming to be experts on Egyptian manufacturing.

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This seems a blantant falsehood and demands evidence. The evidence does not clearly show what tools were used. There is absolutely no evidence showing how the large granite blocks, and boxes were made. There is absolutely evidence for machining.

No one has given any evidence for the contrary. Some have made claims but have not shown evidence. In fact the evidence they have shown was defeated. There certainly is not clear cut evidence.

keras said:

I see @Strong in Him - has aligned with you. 2 Peter 2:1-22 has a lot to say about those who the way of truth be evil spoken of...... 2 Peter 2:2 KJV

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I haven't "aligned with him" - I just liked the analogy of a singer finishing their song, changing their mind, returning to the stage etc etc.

By your own admission, you were wrong in 2012.
There may have been other times over the years when you have been mistaken about something, I don't know. There is a verse somewhere which says that if the trumpet does not sound a clear note, no one can prepare for battle.

Nithavela said:

The only therapy and medication that have been shown to aleviate the suffering of those who have gender disphoria are gender-affirming treatments.

Any treatment and medication that focuses on trying to make the people suffering from gender disphoria adhere to their birth gender is extremely harmful and ineffective.

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Not true on both accounts.

eclipsenow said:

You've got less than 100 days for Israel to build a temple for the AOD!

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The desecration of the new Temple, 2 Thess 2:4, will happen 1260 days before Jesus Returns.
The Temple will be built by the Christan peoples, coming from far distant places. Zechariah 6:15 They will occupy all of the Holy Land, which will have been cleared and cleansed by the soon to happen; Lords Day of fiery wrath. Revelation 6:11-17, 2 Peter 3:7, +

This scenario is what the Bible Prophets have told us will happen.
To deny and reject it, is tantamount to; deny and reject the whole Bible.

People who put up disgusting posters and who accuse others, are showing their true colours.
I should report you, but those who do see your nasty pictures and 'foaming at the mouth rants, can easily make up their own minds.
I see @Strong in Him - has aligned with you. 2 Peter 2:1-22 has a lot to say about those who the way of truth be evil spoken of...... 2 Peter 2:2 KJV

Servus said:

I see people supporting illegal immigration, terrorists, and cartels and drug lords. So I pointed that out.

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1) you didn't answer any of my questions. So let me repeat:
are you in favour of applying and protecting the rule of law, without ifs or buts and without exceptions?
Do you equate the advocating for the rule of law is loving criminals?
2) I challenge you to show me any post in support of illegal immigration, terrorists or drug cartels.

This ordeal has always caused me to wonder;

what does Kanye think about the multitudes of elements and ergs in us humans, which have nothing to do with Hitler nor whatever it is that Hitler embodies?

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Like when a large group of humans do all despise Hitler and everything about him. Then how does such a people go about identifying or defining or interfacing their satanic evils? Since they all resist the idea that 'Hitlerism' can ever exist among them.

Landon Caeli said:

I mean, I don't want to have to work hard for things either. I want to play video games, and find shortcuts in life, and have it easy. But nobody will let me have that.

If I were to vote for Sanders or Mamdani types, would I be on my way to achieving that?

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The implication that young people, particularly young people that vote for progressive candidates, are particularly lazy just isn't true.

Servus said:

Is it supposed to be that if you call it in the form of sarcasm, then no one else can call it for what it is?

"Just you wait, they'll call those bovines cows"

"Cows were grazing in the field"

"Ha ha called it!"

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I see "the leftists" call for the application of the rule of law.
This has been even pointed out previously.
But let me ask you directly: are you in favour of applying and protecting the rule of law, without ifs or buts and without exceptions?
Do you equate the advocatiing for the rule of law is loving criminals?

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

If this logic is applied, should the Cuban Adjustment Act be reconsidered? Over 90% of Cuban Americans who migrated to the United States did so without legal documentation. However, the Cuban Adjustment Act enabled them to obtain legal status.

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Congress more than once has passed laws to legalize certain groups of illegal immigrants. They could do so again. I dont believe I have ever said that we should repeal those Acts.

However just because we have passed those laws in the past doesn't mean we should pass more of them. Times have changed.

Hans Blaster said:

I got a $1 silver certificate in change a few years back. Do you think the Treasury will give me a $1 silver coin for that?

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The Treasury no longer honors the note. The American people were duped again. At one time there were redeemable gold notes in circulation. Then they started issuing non-redeemable notes side by side with the redeemable notes, creating the illusion that they were of equal value. I' don't accept wooden nickels; but the silver note still has collector value. I would sell it and buy the real deal.

Do you remember when copper pennies used to be made out of copper? Then they started copper plating zinc, to create the illusion that pennies were still made out of copper; while they quietly hoarded the copper to cover their bad corporate dept..

Now they're taking the pennies away from us altogether; because on paper it costs about $4 to make 100 zinc penny forgeries.

Robbed again!

Stopped_lurking said:

This is not necessarily true, see my earlier objection. There are many philosophers that disagree with the Mary thought experiment.

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Then give an arguement for it and don't just state your subjective opinion. This is only doubling down on not being able to explain subjective conscious experiences through the physical and naturalistic processes.

Valletta said:

You're mistaken. The mass grave story of 400 or so and the septic tank story were hoaxes. Realize that both Al Jazeera and the New York Times have an anti-Judeo/Christian bent and sadly are not above publishing fake religious tales.

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I assume you have a reason for me to believe that except genetic fallacies?

Oompa Loompa said:

Genesis 4:25 NIV
[25] Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.”

Genesis 4:25 Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.” | New International Version (NIV) | Download The Bible App Now

Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.”

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I think this verse implies that Cane eventually repented. But I cannot confirm it.

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I cannot see anything in Genesis 4:25 that even suggests that Cain eventually repented. The only thing said in that verse about Cain is that he had killed Abel. I wonder which words in that verse gave you the idea that Cain repented.