Apple Sky said:

It doesn't look as if the sun is moving across the sky, it actually does move across the sky & runs it's circuit.

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No, it doesn't.

You don't understand science or Scripture; you are in no position to argue.

concretecamper said:

What? Objectively speaking, some are worse than others.

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PErhaps but CERTAINLY that is not up to us to decide.

Also, my old employer showed us video of an employee getting into an accident, at a safety meeting, and everyone laughed and mocked the employee from the video, calling him an idiot, stupid, etc.. That may have been illegal of my employer to do. But... Rules for thee, not for me, and if anyone wants to complain, they'll just deny it, and you'll be blackballed from the industry.

Delvianna said:

If the heart beat stops and by your hand, that isn't "murder?"

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1) Nope. Not if it's little more than an conglomeration of cells. Not to me.
2) Also, out of curiousity, is your argument then that BEFORE a heartbeat, it's NOT "murder"?

Delvianna said:

I'll even take it a step backwards... The DNA is completely separate from the mother and since God creates all life, (I knit you in your mothers womb) you're essentially saying the DNA that God took from the father and mother and merged together doesn't qualify as life to you... I mean, you are welcome to your opinions, but I'm just saying God's stance is different and justifying death is just not something he's going to be okay with either.

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Whoa. Back up. You just provide your logic and then confidently said it's "God's stance".
I'm saying it does not yet qualify as a life, that's correct. I view life as more than a random collection of DNA.

Delvianna said:

And Grace is not a license to live in sin.

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I agree.

Delvianna said:

The point of the Holy Spirit is to guide us, correct us and bring us as close as we could possibly get to being "Christ like" and not to compromise on sin, allow sin or endorse it either.

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Sure.

Delvianna said:

Everyone accounts for themselves but since Christ said murderers won't inherit the kingdom of God, I would really take a step back and make sure you're right because even if you never are involved in an abortion, endorsing it and telling others is okay, makes you complicit in that sin, which means God will have something to say about it.

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As I've mentioned I don't believe it is murder nor do in ANY WAY, believe the 10 commandments refers to abortion.

We've carved out a place for solidiers in war to "murder"...


All this said, thank you for a more thought filled response!

zippy2006 said:

The fundamental problem is a kind of "Federalism" where the federal government has way too much power. The locus of power needs to shift to the state and local level. Neither party is willing to cede their federal power, but the Republicans are much more likely to do so, especially post-Trump.

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Im not sure how that relates exactly to the economy.

My off the cuff sense is the more that theres 50 different sets of rules across the land for how business can operate, the more friction and waste there is in everything business does.

rambot said:

And you are not as bad as the others I guess right?

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What? Objectively speaking, some are worse than others.

concretecamper said:

Some worse than others

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And you are not as bad as the others I guess right?

Welcome to CF!

rambot said:

ARguably, most people are.

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Some worse than others

I doubt it will happen. My opinion only.

Lord have mercy on your persecuted Church!

rambot said:

I gotta tell you that "Democracy Medicine" is 100% NOT how I want I want to be diagnosed or treated.

Too many people's feelings and not enough medical facts informing that.

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Many of us on OBOB are 100% opposed to abortion because the Church is. It’s murder of the most innocent and not health care.

I gotta tell you that "Democracy Medicine" is 100% NOT how I want I want to be diagnosed or treated.

Too many people's feelings and not enough medical facts informing that.

By the way, thanks folks. I recognize I am in a far minority and I always feel very vulnerable having this conversation because too often I feel a bit misunderstood. But, conversely, I always like trying to explain my opinion to be better understood that I am not an awful person or awful Christian.

Thus far it's been pleasant.

concretecamper said:

So yes, one can be an awful Christian.

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ARguably, most people are. Otherwise we wouldn't need grace, would we?

Pepperdoodle said:

If you're married and your spouse got to the point of not wanting you anymore, would it be ok for them to kill you to get rid of you?

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Again. I am 48 years old. I have sentient and clearly born.
You were aghast that I likenned "lieing" to "getting an abortion"....and here you are comparing a 48 year old grown adult male to a FETUS?

As you wrote, [shakes head]

Pepperdoodle said:

No. Those who are unwanted, a baby in this case, should be given a chance at life and adoption is one wonderful option, as another in this post mentioned.

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"Should be given".
1) Why "should" it?
2) I agree adoption is a wonderful option. There are many kids already being passed over for adoption.

Pepperdoodle said:

It's better than murdering the poor innocent growing baby.

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If it LITERALLY is better than "murdering that innocent growing baby"....why are there ANY kids available in the foster system? Pro-lifers would be LINING UP to adopt wouldn't they?

pasifika said:

Thank you for the post, the "deeds of the law" is referring to the old covenant law as a whole. Not just animal sacrifices because sacrifices applies when you sin and needed forgiveness, as if no sacrifices then there is no forgiveness of sin (both animal sacrifices and law goes hand in hand). The new covenant though is forgiveness by believe in the Gospel no animal sacrifices. Christ is our sacrificial lamb. Believe in Him and your sins will be forgiven.

You cannot keep any commandments given under the old covenant the lamb as was only given so we can see our sinful ways. So you can never show love by trying to keep the Sinai law.

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And Heb. 9:18 saysb b why we are NOT UNDER the Law of Moses forever. ,

# 1 WHERE UPON //. HOTHEN is an. ADVERB

#2 NEITHIED // OUDO is. an. ADVERB

# 3. THE // HO is a DEFINITE ARTICLE

# 4 FIRST //. PROTOS. is. in NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 5 TESTAMENT was added

# 6 WAS DEDICATED //. EGKAINIZO. in. the PERFECT TENSE in the PASSIVE VOICE. in. the INDICATIVE MOOD.

in. the SINGULAR

# 7 WITHOUT. //. ADVERB. , Pleas NOTICE that. the OLD COVENANT. was NOT. dedicated by JESUS BLOOD

#8. BLOOD. //. HAIMA. in. the GENITIVE CASE. in. the SINGULAR. in. the NEUTER

# A IT. than means why the LAW COULD. NOT SAVE BY GRACE until Jesus was CRUCIFIED. in Acts 2:36

and Israel was SET ASIDE in ACTS 28:25-28. and ISA 1:13 !!

dan p

Strong in Him said:

It was from Joshua's perspective that the sun stopped - because to us on earth it LOOKS as though it is the sun which moves across the sky.

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It doesn't look as if the sun is moving across the sky, it actually does move across the sky & runs it's circuit.