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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

We already received it by the grace of God through faith as a result of His ultimate sacrifice for the propitiation of our sins.
E ph. 1:7 says In whom. we have redemption. through His BLOOD .the forgiveness of Traspasses. , according. to. the riches

of His Grace !!
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the myth of flat earth debunked again

I’m an engineer. I worked for Boing in the 80’s on components for the space shuttle. I know scientifically and by observation that the earth is a sphere. All calculations for space flight are based on a spherical earth. So yes, I know for a fact that the earth is a sphere.

Is Boing a special division of Boeing?

(I could not resist)
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Whose? Explain.
I agree that Elohim can be translated as angels from the Hebrew. But the actual meaning depends on the context of what Elohim refers to. For example, God is not an angel.
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What happened in the past has an effect on us today, all because Sin is in the world.

The curse that the Lord is referring to can be found in Deuteronomy 28th chapter verses 15 through the end of the chapter. Who are the reproaches that the Lord gave Israel to? "And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him. And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him.” (Jeremiah 27: 6-7)

Not only did Israel have to serve Nebuchadnezzar for their transgressions, but also all nations had to serve him, and his son, and his son's son. As I stated earlier, as Israel goes, so goes the whole world. Who is Nebuchadnezzar and his sons? Nebuchadnezzar was the first Gentile world ruler and his kingdom was Babylon, which was represented by a Lion. Then followed the Medes and Persians (modern day Russia and Iran) which was represented by a Bear. Then followed the Greeks, which is represented by the Leopard. Then finally came Rome, which is currently in control of the world now and is represented as the wild beast or terrible beast. "Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them: I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them. O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes? I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.” (Hosea 13: 7-11)

Jesus is the king of Israel, “And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgins' name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, “Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.” (St. Luke 1: 26-33)
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the myth of flat earth debunked again

I'm arguing because people who don't "trust the science" are being characterized crazy.

Just admit that you personally do not know and that you trust those who tell you the earth is a globe.
I’m an engineer. I worked for Boing in the 80’s on components for the space shuttle. I know scientifically and by observation that the earth is a sphere. All calculations for space flight are based on a spherical earth. So yes, I know for a fact that the earth is a sphere.
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Kindness

It is so refreshing to see this view put here...I think far too many of us conflate 'kindness' with 'acceptance' of sin and tolerance etc to the point where we have forgotten what following Christ means.

We are not supposed to 'tolerate' sin.

We are supposed to call it out, challenge it and guide people to Christ who loves them enough to see them OUT of sin. There are consquences to sin. God's kindness wants to remove those from us! He does not tolerate nor accept sin in any capacity!

I don't know when this alternative Christian viewpoint came from but it is unbiblical and wrong.

It's good to see that some still see the truth and endeavor to share it with others.

Thank you!
Glory to God. Thank you for sharing that with me. I agree.
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Six Democrats urge military members to 'refuse illegal orders' in viral video; Hegseth responds

To the extent that soldiers must consider it, those SCOTUS rulings are already incorporated into the explicit laws soldiers must obey. They are not required to interpret the Constitution themselves.
They should know what is required of them.
The Geneva Conventions do not create a blanket prohibition of the killing of civilians in combat.
Collateral damage which result in death to civilians will occur in armed conflicts but we are not talking about that.

The Coast Guard and Navy are highly trained in how to stop alleged drug smugglers at sea. They do it hundreds of times every year. Very few result in deaths. They know what they are doing and what is expected of them.

Now, because Trump wants to blow boats up, instead of stopping them and arresting those on board, we see murder occurring.

Anyone of those boats could have been stopped and boarded, to confirm they were operating illegally.
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The Ancient of Days

Description of Jesus Christ in Revelation 1:

12 I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. Having turned, I saw seven golden lamp stands. 13 And among the lamp stands was one like a son of man,clothed with a robe reaching down to his feet, and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 His head and his hair were white as white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire. 15 His feet were like burnished brass, as if it had been refined in a furnace. His voice was like the voice of many waters. 16 He had seven stars in his right hand. Out of his mouth proceeded a sharp two-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining at its brightest.
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the myth of flat earth debunked again

That doesnt work. If the moon is just above the horizon then everyone should see it exactly the same. Maybe you have another explanation that makes sense?
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Funny how the first time you asked this question and i gave the same answer, you said well that solves that.
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Disneyland 'MAGA Invasion' Organizers Reveal Plans to 'Trigger' Guests and ‘Make Disney Great Again’

WHY? What agenda do they push forward with this?
I agree. You can't make something great again if it was never great to start with.

Name your favorite Mickey Mouse joke. Name his best catch-phrase. You can't because he doesn't have any. He's utterly lame. That kid who said "What you talkin' about Willis?" was more entertaining.

People want to blame international Jewry for all our woes. I blame the French. The French said Walt Disney was a genius. They said Jerry Lewis was a genius. They gave us fully evolved postmodernism. They are very dangerous trolls. I can totally get away with posting this because I'm half French on my mother's side. Mickey Mouse smiles when children are endangered.

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the myth of flat earth debunked again

I'm arguing because people who don't "trust the science" are being characterized crazy.
They are claiming to do 'science' themselves. It's NASA they don't trust, because conspiracy.
Just admit that you personally do not know and that you trust those who tell you the earth is a globe.
That would make me a liar.
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Church is boring

A young man is tortured with the boredom at church... And then finds one totally opposite... Good story here!


"Grandfather was kind to me and considerate of me, yet he was strict with me. I worked along with him in the field when the weather was agreeable and when it was inclement I helped him in his hatter's shop, for the Civil War was in progress and he had returned at odd times to hatmaking. It was my business in the shop to stretch foxskins and coonskins across a wood-horse and with a knife, made for that purpose, pluck the hair from the fur. I despise the odor of foxskins and coonskins to this good day. He had me to walk two miles every Sunday to Dandridge to Church service and Sunday-school, rain or shine, wet or dry, cold or hot; yet he had fat horses standing in his stable. But he was such a blue-stocking Presbyterian that he never allowed a bridle to go on a horse's head on Sunday. The beasts had to have a day of rest. Old Doctor Minnis was the pastor, and he was the dryest and most interminable preacher I ever heard in my life. He would stand motionless and read his sermons from manuscript for one hour and a half at a time and sometimes longer. Grandfather would sit and never take his eyes off of him, except to glance at me to keep me quiet. It was torture to me." - George Clark Rankin
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the myth of flat earth debunked again

As are others who don't agree with you
They are drawing conclusions which do not follow from the observations. Such as claiming the horizon always rises to eye level when all they are doing is subjectively defining the horizon as eye level, and not actually using a water level or theodolite to determine what eye level actually is.
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Is the Bible inerrant?

“No prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:20–21).

What does it mean that the Bible is infallible? What is biblical infallibility? | GotQuestions.org

I know I said I was leaving but this thread weighs on my spirit and I had to pray for everyone involved, including myself, for understanding and guidance.

Can anyone explain to me why this link is incorrect?

Please actually read it, though, and tell me if I've missed anything in this thread that I need to reread for understanding.

Summary of this page as it is quoted at the bottom, "The Bible is the sole objective source of all God has given us about Himself and His plan for humanity. As God’s infallible Word, the Bible is inerrant, authoritative, reliable, and sufficient to meet our needs."

I'm so perplexed and saddened by this whole thread and I'm hoping that is due to misunderstanding on my part........
The majority of Biblical scholars don't think 2 Peter was written by the Apostle Peter (it seems to be a pseudo-graph). Nevertheless it contains truth - this particular line as well. IMHO all it says in 2 Peter 1:20-21 is that prophets spoke from God carried along by the Holy Spirit - and the report of their words are found in the TNK/OT writings. True prophecy never originates or is even influenced by human will, a prophet is supposed to literally speak on behalf of God.

And thankfully we still have those prophecy books in the TNK/OT - in Hebrew, we still have the LXX (Greek) translation of those prophets - as this translation was used a lot by the believers in the NT era (50% of the NT TNK/OT quotes are from the LXX translation) - but beware; there are still differences between the best known Hebrew text and the best known Greek text of the TNK/OT.

Taking your King James Bible and declaring that translation from cover to cover is the literal and infallible word of God verbatim is very comforting but an extreme simplification of matters and thus does not reflect reality.

I don't think the Apostle Peter when he wrote the letter 1 Peter considered himself writing an infallible document that would carry the exact same weight as a prophet speaking the words of God verbatim. But I do attribute great weight to Peter's words as a designated Apostle by Yeshua Himself, clearly guided and inspired by the Holy Spirit. To be honest, 1 Peter is one of my favourite NT books.
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the myth of flat earth debunked again

I'm arguing because people who don't "trust the science" are being characterized crazy.

No one is being characterized as crazy nor called crazy. Foolish, for sure, but I dare you to search through this thread for someone calling someone who says that the Earth is flat is crazy.
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