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Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T02:59:20-0600

David Lamb said:
what is the point of the pages and pages of discussion?

To get the truth out.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T02:57:23-0600

Strong in Him said:
Oh you will; no doubt about it.

Sooner the better.

keras · 2025-12-08T02:55:28-0600

Douggg said:
half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

This another reference to what happens in Rev 12 and Daniel 9:27 The division of the Christian peoples.
All at the mid point of the final 7 years.
Zechariah 14:3 is Armageddon and verse 4 is the Return of Jesus; to the same place He Ascended from.

Douggg said:
The 1335 days is not dependent upon day 1260. But is the time frame between the AoD is setup until the day that Jesus returns. There is no such thing as an "extra" 75 days.

There is no indication anywhere of the 1335 days commencing before the AoD
But there is evidence of the 30 and the 75 days past the glorious Return. They fit with Atonement and Hanukkah.
Your 'charts ' are in error.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-08T02:47:35-0600

Apple Sky said:
I do wonder who will have the most explaining to do, Me or Charley.

Oh you will; no doubt about it.

Like I said before, GOD saved Charles Duke and gave his his testimony.
Charles tells others about Jesus and how meeting Jesus was far more important than going to the moon.
It's possible that people have become Christians through Charles' testimony - which means he is obeying Jesus' command to preach the Good News.

You publicly said that you believed every word of Charles' testimony.
You said that it was strange believing in a globe earth but that with God's help, you would get there.
You wrote a prayer and said "sorry" to God for doubting the astronauts.
You thanked some of us for helping you to see the truth.
Then one day, you found another video on YouTube and went back on all of that. Presumably you've said "sorry" (again to God for promising to ask for his help and then throwing it back in his face.
You now actively say that a Christian man who tells others about Jesus, is lying - and you get indignant if we don't believe one of your heroes because they are a born again Christian.

David Lamb · 2025-12-08T02:46:12-0600

Apple Sky said:
Sure we do, fake everything, pic's, rocket ships & astronauts etc etc etc.

You have to postulate so many fakes and lies in order to cling on to your beliefs of no moon landings, earth a flat, Antarctica a huge ice wall surrounding the earth, and Zion at the North Pole. All the nations involved in space flight, all the people who have sailed around the world, all the explorers, scientists and others who have visited the poles, all the astronauts who claim to have landed on the moon, and those people include genuine Christians. But why? They are not stopping people from becoming Christians - it is clear from these forums that there are plenty of Christians who do believe the moon landings, who don't believe the earth is a flat disc, and so on, so if it's an attempt to lessen the number of Christians, it's not working. Besides, if your answer to every piece of evidence for the moon landings, or against the earth being flat is to call it "fake" or "lies", what is the point of the pages and pages of discussion?

Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T02:41:46-0600

Noah's Rainbow

stevevw · 2025-12-08T02:38:47-0600

comana said:
I never claimed Trump loyalists are idiots or mindlessly doing Trump’s bidding. No , they are willfully participating and enjoying the benefits of their positions, at least for now. He will discard each and every one of them right under the bus should any of their actions (that he directly asked of them) reflect badly on him.

Your just doubling down on the bad mouthing and identity politics and adding fuel to the fire. Keep creating new unfounded narratives to discredit Trump because people are so fixated on hating him. Its glaringly obvious in that you cannot help mention hin every time you speak lol. You just pile on the accusations and demeaning remarks.

comana said:
As far as the corruption of those opposing Trump, it’s been “coming out” for years and all amounts to distracting headlines and no substance. It’s hard to take each new revelation of corruption seriously at this point.

Well there is substance now.

I literally showed you the evidence and even some Dems are admitting they went too far. We literally heard the lying narrative of Biden being cognitive sharp and Obama spreading lies about some Russia conspiracy to get Trump.

We heard how they were coaching the media and deleting information. Thats literally calling the kettle black that you think the media is biased for Trump lol.

These were lies designed to get Trump and others. They were busted. So I would not be so quick to be taking the moral highground on this.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T02:35:33-0600

David Lamb said:
We have plenty of evidence,

Sure we do, fake everything, pic's, rocket ships & astronauts etc etc etc.

timothyu · 2025-12-08T02:28:01-0600

stevevw said:
So I agree national identity is vital. It seems all sorts of different identities are fighting for truth and supremecy.

Its the old end of days indulgence in self-interest that started in the Garden and is once again going global and testing those who claim they love all as self..

Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T02:22:15-0600

Strong in Him said:
You will have to explain to God why you went back on your vow to ask for his help, and why you think that one of his children who is telling others about Jesus, is lying. But that's for you to deal with.

I do wonder who will have the most explaining to do, Me or Charley.

Douggg · 2025-12-08T02:09:10-0600

keras said:
But the 1335 days, [1260 + 75] cannot begin before the mid point of the final 7 years.
Logically and scripturally, the extra 75 days must come after the glorious Return.

The 1335 days is not dependent upon day 1260. But is the time frame between the AoD is setup until the day that Jesus returns. There is no such thing as an "extra" 75 days.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-08T02:07:58-0600

Apple Sky said:
First we need credible evidence that they even went to the moon as these videos just don't cut it.

You can say what you like - you know perfectly well that Charles Duke went to the moon.
You watched his testimony, believed every word, were moved by it and it led you to a) write a prayer saying "sorry" to God for doubting them, b) write the words "I reckon Flat Earth is a load of nonsense" and c) publicly state that you would ask for God's help in sticking to your new belief.

Yes, you later changed your mind (repented) about all that - and said "sorry" (again) to God for being sorry and vowing to ask for his help. But the point is; it happened.
I suspect the "goosebumps" you felt when you first watched, and believed, this testimony was actually the Holy Spirit witnessing to you that it was true.
The fact that you are now rubbishing it and saying that Charles is a liar, is not only sad but actually quite serious.
You will have to explain to God why you went back on your vow to ask for his help, and why you think that one of his children who is telling others about Jesus, is lying. But that's for you to deal with.

Why you would put yourself in that position, and possibly even risk God's displeasure, for something that isn't even important, is beyond me - but, like I said; your problem.

Douggg · 2025-12-08T02:02:20-0600

keras said:
Another failure to properly read what the Prophets said.
Zechariah 14:1-2 tells of the conquest of the Christian nation of Beulah

Zechariah 14:1-5 is at the end of the 7 years, at the time of Jesus's return, when Jesus will stand on the mount of Olives and split it in half in Zechariah 14:4. Zechariah 14 does not mention Beulah, but the city of Jerusalem in Zechariah 14:2.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

keras said:
It will be the conquerors of the Holy Land that the 2 Witnesses will preach to.

keras, the 1260 days of the two witnesses will be the same 1260 days of Revelation 12:6. All of the like time frames go together. The 1260 days are color coded yellow on my chart.

rockytopva · 2025-12-08T01:55:38-0600

We didn't come to borrow any money,
We didn't come to borrow any dough,
We didn't come to borrow any trouble,
We just dropped in to say hello,

Hellllll-o to you Mr. Manny,
Please don't think that we are hammy,
We just dropped in from Alabammy,
We just dropped in to say Hello!

Oh boy you said it!

Manny Weeks: Good Bye!

Yarddog · 2025-12-08T01:55:36-0600

Valletta said:
Biden to end familial DNA testing at border, key deterrent to fraud and child trafficking

Reports indicate as many as one in three illegal immigrant adults suspected of bringing children who weren't their own, turned out not to be related to them.

justthenews.com

https://x.com/RealTomHoman/status/1997688498921656345

So, do you think that he can prove any of that?

Strong in Him · 2025-12-08T01:54:44-0600

Hentenza said:
The correct spelling is astronauts.

I think he knows that - as does @Apple Sky .
They're either doing it to emphasise that they don't believe anything the astronauts did, or they think they're being clever/funny.

I usually just ignore them.

David Lamb · 2025-12-08T01:51:48-0600

Apple Sky said:
First we need credible evidence that they even went to the moon as these videos just don't cut it.

We have plenty of evidence, including the Christian testimony of man who was converted after the moon trip. Why would he even mention it as part of his testimony, if it hadn't really happened? Elsewhere, you have claimed that he and his family were threatened by NASA, but first, you have no evidence for that, and second, that doesn't explain why he would even mention it as part of his Christian testimony if it was untrue.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-08T01:48:54-0600

jonojim1337 said:
Yes they are actors that’s why they have stars in Hollywood.

No, they are/were astronauts.
At least one of them, Charles Duke, became a Christian some years after he came back from the moon. He gives talks about his moon landing and says, "this was not the most important thing in my life; meeting Jesus was the most important."

Although she has since changed her mind, @Apple Sky watched a clip of Charles' testimony and said that she completely believed it.

jonojim1337 said:
I already told you Buzz Aldrin has admitted it multiple times already.

He has also spoken, and maybe even written, about his time on the moon and the whole moon landing.
I was given a link to a YouTube clip once where Buzz, apparently, said they never went to the moon, (he didn't say that.) The very next clip on YouTube started with the words, "Hi, I'm Buzz Aldrin. I was an astronaut on Apollo 11."

You still haven't provided any evidence that something didn't happen.

stevevw · 2025-12-08T01:39:47-0600

Hans Blaster said:
How relevant is the altered mind states of particular Egyptians? None, I would think.

We don't know. But certainly its possible. Even todays science acknowledges this. Mind over matter is a real science. But more importantly it is theorised as a real possibility.

Hans Blaster said:
I have 30 years of reading message board and news groups under my belt. I am well aware of what an off-topic post is.

Well your wrong on this occassion.

Hans Blaster said:
You posted a few pictures and a YT video. @sjastro gave you dozens of links in post #1494.

All I know is he selected one example and ignored the rest. Thats not dealing with the evidence. Qoute mining over one bit of my evidence is not dealing with the evidence.

Hans Blaster said:
Physical and Life Science (See top of screen.)

Yes and ideas like consciousness beyond brain and other phenomena can be studied scientifically. I gave you scientific articles on how Information. Knowledge, the Mind or Consciousness are claimed to be fundemental.

I am saying that the ancients knowledge comes from this aspect of reality through direct experiences with nature and reality.

Hans Blaster said:
I'm trying to have a conversation with someone and their favorite psuedoscience which not only is on topic in the P&LS board on CF, but the SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD.

I would check again. We are trying to determine alternative knowledge. Is this not related to science at all. Do behavioural sciences count.

The point is if this was a non science topic then how could we ever established alternative knowledge compared to methodlogical naturalism. First we can use some specific examples with the science. The science of observation shows us that the signatures don't match the orthodoxy.

The same science tells us the forensics of those marks. This then gives evidence that some other knowledge and tech was used. The science even tells us the possible method or what it took to make the mark. The science shows us that melting or softening stone takes a particular knowledge. It verified that the stone was melted and softened.

Science is all over this topic.

Hans Blaster said:
If you want to discuss simulation theory. Start a thread. If you think the lost ancient tech of the Egyptians, etc. was that they were simulated, you need to be more explicit about it. You just bring up the nonsense that is "Simulation theory" for no apparent reason.

I don;t want a thread on simulation theory. I used the example to show that there are even ideas within science that propose alternative realities and knowledge.

David Lamb · 2025-12-08T01:35:19-0600

jonojim1337 said:
They don’t censor as much in these matters.

Exactly, so anybody can post anything on Tik Tok.

David Lamb · 2025-12-08T01:34:17-0600

jonojim1337 said:
This is what I call verifiable evidence.

How do you verify it? As I understand it, anybody can post anything (as long as it's not illegal) on platforms like Tik Tok and You Tube.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-12-08T01:32:49-0600

“Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.’” “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.” ”He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.” “Jesus answered and said to him, ‘If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.’” (John 14:6,15,21,23,24 NASB1995)

Our God, the one and only true God of the universe, is Father, Son Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit. So, not one of us can believe in God the Father and not believe in Jesus Christ, God the Son. So all who profess to believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but who reject Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, do not truly believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. So, all Jews who do not accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah do not believe in the same God as we do who believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Master.

For no one can come to God the Father except through Jesus Christ, and none of us can believe in Jesus Christ unless God the Father first draws us to Christ, i.e. unless he first persuades us as to his holiness and righteousness, and of our sinfulness, and of our need to die to sin and to obey God, as those who profess faith in our Lord Jesus. For faith in Jesus Christ requires that we deny self, die daily to sin, and that we walk (in conduct, in practice) in obedience to our Lord and to his commands under the New Covenant.

[Hebrews 12:1-2; Ephesians 2:8-10; John 6:44; Luke 9:23-26; Acts 26:18]

Now there are many people today who are teaching a gospel of salvation absent of death to sin and walks of obedience to our Lord and to his commands. For they are teaching that we are saved and on our way to heaven based merely on a verbal confession of Christ as Lord and belief that God raised him from the dead. But that is being taught out of context, and it ignores the bulk of the teachings on the gospel of our salvation which insist that we must deny self, die to sin, and follow our Lord in obedience.

But if we love Jesus, we will obey his commandments, and we will be loved by him and by God the Father. But if sin is what we obey, and not God’s commandments, then we do not love God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – and we don’t know God, and we are not in fellowship with Jesus Christ. And so we don’t have salvation from sin and eternal life with God, which is promised to all who believe in Jesus, who are dying to sin daily (in practice), and who are following our Lord in walks of obedience to his commands.

For our faith in Jesus Christ is not based on the teachings of other humans, many of which distort and alter the truths of the Scriptures to make them less offensive and more attractive to human flesh and to the world. But our faith in Jesus must be based on the teachings of the Scriptures taught by Jesus Christ and by his New Testament apostles, taught in their correct biblical context, and not out of context which many do in order to deceive. And then we will know the right way in which we are to go by faith in God.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

So, please read the Scriptures in their appropriate biblical context so that you are learning the truth spoken by Jesus Christ and by his New Testament apostles, and so you are not relying upon other human beings in our day and time to actually teach you the truth of what God’s word teaches us.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

My Sheep

Based off John 10:1-30 NIV
An Original Work / June 24, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

My sheep hear me. They know me.
They listen to my voice and obey.
I call them and lead them.
They know my voice, so they follow me.
They will never follow strangers.
They will run away from them.
The voice of a stranger they know not;
They do not follow him.

So, I tell you the truth that
I am the gate, so you enter in.
Whoever does enter
Will find forgiveness and will be saved.
Nonetheless whoever enters
Not by the gate; other way,
He is the thief and a robber.
Listen not, the sheep to him.

Oh, I am the Good Shepherd,
Who laid his own life down for the sheep.
I know them. They know me.
They will live with me eternally.
The thief only comes to steal and
Kill and to destroy the church.
I have come to give you life that
You may have it to the full…

They know my voice, so they follow me.

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An Original Work / December 8, 2025
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Christsfreeservant · 2025-12-08T01:30:33-0600

Richard T said:
That is a good word and I appreciate your willingness to share it. Santa is also perhaps the most famous lie since it was invented. One that can wreck a child's innocence creating mistrust and the start of cynicism.

Richard T, thank you for reading, and for your response. All glory to God! Santa is definitely one of the top of the list of the most famous lies.

Perpetual Student · 2025-12-08T01:29:20-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Poor poor narco terrorists drug smugglers. If only they had the same level of outrage for the kids they kill every year with their cargo.

Let me ask two simple questions:
1) are you in favour of applying and protecting the rule of law, without ifs or buts and without exceptions?
2) Do you adhere to the principle that anybody is innocent until proven guilty?

stevevw · 2025-12-08T01:23:14-0600

I think what they will find will shock the US. The ideology that was pushed that caused so much insanity internally as far as unreal ideas has to have spread beyond the borders.

If its all about identity and protecting people based on identity to garner support then there will be corruption no doubt about that. Information hidden, bad actors protected, buying power and exploiting power. All the red flags were there and they hid them because they controlled that information.

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