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Date of authorship of Revelation

2 Corinthians 11 30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.
So Paul boasts about his weaknesses being a "fool", and his thorn in the flesh whatever it was. Having a heavenly experience is not a weakness. Paul is talking about the author of Revelation, and not himself in 2 Cor 12.
I had not considered your interpretation of these verses. Thank you for sharing your viewpoint.

I have always believed it was Paul. I think he was privileged to participate in a vision, and that he received revelations personally from Jesus Christ. These revelations were given to him because of his calling, and not because of anything he did to deserve them.

2 Corinthians 1-10
I must boast; there is nothing to be gained by it, but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. 3 And I know that this man was caught up into Paradise—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter. 5 On behalf of this man I will boast, but on my own behalf I will not boast, except of my weaknesses. 6 Though if I wish to boast, I shall not be a fool, for I shall be speaking the truth. But I refrain from it, so that no one may think more of me than he sees in me or hears from me. 7 And to keep me from being too elated by the abundance of revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to harass me, to keep me from being too elated. 8 Three times I besought the Lord about this, that it should leave me; 9 but he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” I will all the more gladly boast of my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities; for when I am weak, then I am strong.


We know that Paul received his instructions personally from Jesus Christ. He received them because he was called to preach to the Gentiles before he was born!

Galatians 1:11-17
For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not man’s gospel. 12 For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ. 13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it; 14 and I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and had called me through his grace, 16 was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not confer with flesh and blood, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia; and again I returned to Damascus.


It seems to me that Paul did not know if he received this revelation while he was bodily on earth or if he received it by actually bodily entering into heaven. It overwhelmed his senses.

Since only the pure of heart can literally enter into heaven after death, my guess is that Paul participated in a vison of the third heaven while he was still physically on earth. Matthew 5:8

The apostles, Peter, James, and John, participated in a heavenly vision with Jesus, Moses, and Elijah. Matthew 17:1-4
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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

If you are referring to ANTIFA, they are considered domestic terrorists.
Only by this fascist administration. Who else would see anti-fascists as terrorists?
But because they are on US soil, they fall under the jurisdiction of law enforcement, not the military.
Goodie!
So what is your point?
That this administration likes to play fast and loose with terms like "terrorist" and given the recent defenses of extrajudicial killings of people merely accused of being terrorists, I'm even you can see where the concern starts to set in.
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Trump to use wartime Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to deport illegal migrants from ‘enemy nations’: sources

Judge to address how he'll proceed with contempt inquiry into AEA deportations

U.S. District Judge James Boasberg, in a hearing Wednesday, is set to address how he will proceed with the early stages of contempt proceedings into whether Trump administration officials violated a court order by deporting hundreds of men to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act in March.

Judge orders top DOJ attorney to testify about Alien Enemies Act deportations

U.S. District Judge James Boasberg ordered Drew Ensign -- Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Immigration Litigation of the Civil Division -- to testify during a hearing on Dec. 16.

He also ordered testimony on Dec. 15 from Erez Reuveni, a former DOJ attorney who alleged the Trump administration evaded court orders.

He wrote that DHS Secretary Kristi Noem's brief sworn declaration recently submitted in the case did "not provide enough information for the Court to determine whether her decision was a willful violation of the Court's Order."
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RFK Adjusts Hepatitis B Vaccine Recommendations; Democrats Lose Their Minds

On Friday, January 22, 1999, the ABC news program 20/20 ran a report on the adverse events of Hep B vaccination. It's worth watching the ~11 minutes, if for no other reason than to see how the mainstream media used to cover vaccine controversy vs. how it's covered today.

The people interviewed in this repot are not anti-vaxxers. They were simply doing what they believed was best for themselves and/or their child and faced devastating consequences as a result.

Part 1: ABC News 20-20 1999 Hep B part 1 : NVICstandup : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Part 2: ABC News 20-20 1999 Hep B part 2 : NVICstandup : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
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Immigrants Approved for Citizenship ‘Plucked Out’ of Line Moments Before Pledging Allegiance: Report

What, is that not true?

Given that we average 2,240 naturalizations per day, any policy change or new restriction is always going to be "cruel timing" for somebody. No matter which day you pick, and no matter how far out you pick it, there's always going to be some people who just barely missed the cutoff when they thought they were in the home stretch.

If policy changes could never be disruptive to people who were at the final phase of the process, then there would never be any policy changes, because there are perpetually always people at the final phase of the process.
I just find constantly playing devil's advocate and seeing people's real problems as purely hypothetical exercises in logic to be getting very tiresome. You don't have to try and rationalize everything this administration does, you know.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

But it didn't.
President Biden’s immigration record from 2021–2025 combined an early shift to prosecutorial discretion and humanitarian programs with later, tighter asylum limits and accelerated removals: the administration issued prosecutorial-discretion priorities in September 2021 and carried out roughly 1.1–1.5 million deportations/returns through early 2024 while focusing removals on recent border crossers and public-safety risks [1] [2]. After Title 42 ended, the administration layered tools — CBP One, a “Circumvention of Lawful Pathways” rule, a June 2024 executive order setting deportation triggers, and limits on asylum between ports of entry — that substantially narrowed access to asylum and increased removals [3] [1] [4] [5].

So Biden was right, yet again.
Biden Total/Avg. (through 2024)~8.1 million / ~2 million~11 million total encounters over 4 years; ~4.4 million repatriations (including 3 million Title 42 expulsions).
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Only in your febrile imagination.

In other words, you have no response. You recognise that the flights cannot be rationalised with the only flat earth map that has ever been presented, so you have to create some fantasy map that you imagine you might (some day, which will never come) be able to work with. It seems you have not even begun to plumb the depths of your delusion.

I am under no obligation to take into account what you consider an accurate flat earth map or not.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

Let's get back to the real Charlie Kirk...

Charlie Kirk Did Not Like Black People. He Called MLK “Awful” and George Floyd a “Scumbag”​




Charlie Kirk



Nationwide — Charlie Kirk, the 31-year-old conservative activist and Turning Point USA founder who was shot and killed Wednesday during an appearance at Utah Valley University, repeatedly made remarks that revealed deep hostility toward Black people and toward civil rights progress in America.

In early 2024, Kirk drew heavy backlash for saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” He made the comment during a podcast conversation about airline diversity hiring practices, sparking outrage online. Many saw the remark as promoting a harmful stereotype—that Black professionals are inherently less competent—and as a clear example of the racial undertones that defined his commentary. Critics argued it showed exactly how Kirk used race to stoke division among his largely white, conservative audience.


We're all sinners; we all have our own struggles with evil. This was Charlie Kirk's. He wasn't a devil; he wasn't an angel. He was just a guy struggling with his own demons.

Like the rest of us.
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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

We also had this administration label car keying vandals as “terrorists” just a few months ago so forgive me if I find their designations of terrorism to be sorely lacking.
If you are referring to ANTIFA, they are considered domestic terrorists. But because they are on US soil, they fall under the jurisdiction of law enforcement, not the military. So what is your point?
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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

Our laws do not call for the death penalty for drug traffickers.
The laws of armed combat says that lethal force can be authorized against an enemy combatant once the enemy target has be confirmed and is not surrendering. Nothing more. Just another reminder, we are not talking about criminals, we are talking about designated terrorists and combatants in the global war of terror. No different than ISIS.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

“A potential surge could create chaos and a humanitarian crisis, overwhelm processing capacities and imperil the agenda of the new administration,” Biden’s advisers wrote.
But it didn't.
President Biden’s immigration record from 2021–2025 combined an early shift to prosecutorial discretion and humanitarian programs with later, tighter asylum limits and accelerated removals: the administration issued prosecutorial-discretion priorities in September 2021 and carried out roughly 1.1–1.5 million deportations/returns through early 2024 while focusing removals on recent border crossers and public-safety risks [1] [2]. After Title 42 ended, the administration layered tools — CBP One, a “Circumvention of Lawful Pathways” rule, a June 2024 executive order setting deportation triggers, and limits on asylum between ports of entry — that substantially narrowed access to asylum and increased removals [3] [1] [4] [5].

So Biden was right, yet again.
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Here’s another version:

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However, this is in of itself a projected image, and might have some distortion.
What a ridiculous map. What is that land mass between Australia and South America supposed to be, seeing as no such continent exists. I thought Jerry Pinochet was retarded.
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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

As I mentioned in another post, the power granted by Congress to the President to designate enemy combatants applies only to terrorism. This authority does not extend to narcotics or other offenses. If the President of the United States wishes to label a drug trafficker as an enemy combatant, he must first seek approval from Congress to broaden the scope of the enemy combatant parameters.
So why hasn't congress stopped him yet?
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Do Your Actions Speaks Louder then your knowledge?

Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.

The Catholic authorities proclaim: "The Bible says, 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.' The Catholic Church says, No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep the first day of the week. And lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church!" Father Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, Mo., as taken from History of the Sabbath. pg. 802

The Biblical Sabbath, however, is and has always been on the seventh day of the week, or Saturday. Despite the prevalence of Sunday worship in Christendom, we must look to the Bible as our authority and keep the seventh day Sabbath ordained by God.

So now you will prove to me out of the Bible that keeping the 1st day of the week Sunday, is now a Commandment!!
No historical evidence exists to prove your conspiracy theory. It’s all in your head. The early church began keeping the Lords day in remembrance of Jesus resurrection from the very beginning of the church. Only the legalists and the unbelieving Jews continued to keep the law.

The legalists use the law to instill fear on their adherents which invalidates the saving grace of Jesus redemptive sacrifice.

Paul teaches about the newly converted Jews who started preaching a different gospel by insisting that Christian had yo keep the law. This was an argument that Paul fought in the early churches.

“I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel, which is not just another account; but there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

These verses talk of his visit to Jerusalem depicted in Acts 21 where he almost lost his life even though he only preached the true gospel to those that were if reputation (leaders of the church including James. He ended up running indeed because the legalists wanted to kill him for preaching grace instead of the law.


“Then after an interval of fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along also. It was because of a revelation that I went up; and I submitted to them the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but I did so in private to those who were of reputation, for fear that somehow I might be running, or had run, in vain. But not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The law that you preach does not justify and never will justify anyone. You preach gospel of works of the law. Cephas and Peter were being swayed by the legalists and were embarrassed of preaching the gospel of good news to the Jews.

“But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For prior to the coming of some men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and separate himself, fearing those from the circumcision. The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? “We are Jews by nature and not sinners from the Gentiles; nevertheless, knowing that a person is not justified by works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law; since by works of the Law no flesh will be justified.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2‬:‭11‬-‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬


Like Paul you need to die to the law so that you might live for God. The law that you promoted will never declare the Christian righteous (justification), therefore your promotion of the law renders Christ sacrifice worthless. Think about that for a bit as you condemn all Christians that do not follow your law. Your condemnation means nothing.

For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.””
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2‬:‭19‬-‭21‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

If you can't see similarities between this:

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and this:

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then I might suggest an eye exam. They are, of course, not identical, but they are of similar size and shape. Could those white blurs at the front be bundles of coke? Sure. They could also be coolers full of fish or piles of nets though. The point is, we don't know.

Furthermore, I was responding to another poster's assertion about what fishing boats in the Caribbean look like. It's pretty clear that fishermen in the Caribbean use whatever boats they have at their disposal, and thus it's impossible to tell at a glance what a particular boat might be employed in doing without a clear view of what's inside.
Although from what I see, it is hard to see how similar the boats are. I can't determine how long the boat is, nor what engines it is using. But I can definitely tell that one has fishing gear with no drugs, and the other has drugs with no fishing gear. Can you at least acknowledge that?
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For those who are gamers, how do you handle Christian Ethics vs gaming?

This is far off topic, and I am not discussing that here.
I'll just say the cross is not Christian, and Revelation refers to priests and kings in the kingdom rule of 1,000 years.

However, that's totally off the rails of this thread. You might want to start a new thread, rather than derail this very interesting one, which a lot of persons identifying as Christian, might not like very much, since their religion never touch on Bible principles that address modern day technology and God's view of their content.

Those who rule with Christ come from tribes of Israel solely. The other ones are not resurrected until after the 1000 years.

And the verse was said by the author of Revelation and was valid in his time. But don’t trust the history books on when that was. It’s encoded in a horoscope in the book itself.
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Ah right, now I get it.

In regards to your question, I would have to plot it on the moon map, as that would be the, accurate fat world map.
Only in your febrile imagination.
Maybe some other day. Issues with projection have to be accounted for as well as you can see.
In other words, you have no response. You recognise that the flights cannot be rationalised with the only flat earth map that has ever been presented, so you have to create some fantasy map that you imagine you might (some day, which will never come) be able to work with. It seems you have not even begun to plumb the depths of your delusion.
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For those who are gamers, how do you handle Christian Ethics vs gaming?

Revelation 1:6

To my knowledge there’s actually only one lineage that uses the cross in their heraldry, to signify descent of that line, and that would be the Rurikids with some branches. Of course, you will find many other Biblical themes in many other lineages.

As for the priestly class, that would be the Apostles and the book of Acts, and the history that followed. Albeit, we received a thousand years of made up time thanks to the Reformation, and a lot of ancient history, that never was.
This is far off topic, and I am not discussing that here.
I'll just say the cross is not Christian, and Revelation refers to priests and kings in the kingdom rule of 1,000 years.

However, that's totally off the rails of this thread. You might want to start a new thread, rather than derail this very interesting one, which a lot of persons identifying as Christian, might not like very much, since their religion never touch on Bible principles that address modern day technology and God's view of their content.
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