First thing first. I considered ignoring the post, but as a young zygote I didn't want to come into this world with my honor impugned by a personal attack left undefended.

gzt said:

Well, it's very "Tristram Shandy" so far, so your consultants are at least cribbing from a tried-and-true model.

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In the spirit of Proverbs 25:21-22 and Romans 12:20, I will thank my friend gzt for the literature lesson, and not even mention what a cheap shot it was to accuse me while knowing that I might not ever be able to defend myself, or at least not for three months.

I'd heard the name Tristam Shandy earlier in life, but have never read it, and had no idea of its content. I briefly skimmed the first thirteen chapters and found no mention of the character speaking from the womb, although AI tells me that he briefly does somewhere.

So, I didn't crib from that book. But even if I had, even if I had...are you aware that the novel Fight Club has so many cribs in it that it could fill a maternity ward? Direct lifts of exact scenes from G. K. Chesterton's ManAlive! and Dostoevsky's The Idiot, from Sartre, and many others. Almost the entire book and film are a patchwork of other people's ideas.

Do you know that the famous music from the film Jaws was cribbed from Dvorak? Do you know that Apocalypse Now is Heart of Darkness? That West Side Story is Romeo and Juliet? That Simba in The Lion King is Hamlet? That the Broadway play Hamilton is cribbed from Hamilton? Do you know Mighty Joe Young's real name is King Kong? Do you know...anything?

To be continued...

The best way to stand up to Trump and MAGA is to just give up and quit. After all, it worked for the Democrats in 2024. It really put Trump in his place and showed him who's boss.

ChubbyCherub said:

If all of the bible is potentially contextual, symbolic, situational, time specific, people specific or with error, than how did we get this far by using it as the foundation of our faith?

Surely, Jesus referred to 'writings' not to appeal only to the Pharisees (there were other people in the world) but as a way to show all that the scriptures were inerrant with regards to prophesying His presence, purpose and authority.

So, we all now dismiss it because ... ? We don't understand? We don't ask the right questions? It suits our narrative? It's overly complex? We seek answers elsewhere? We have failed, as a society, to keep teaching what we once knew? We [fill in the blank]?

Without scripture, how would we even know of the existence of Jesus? Would we just do a, 'trust me bro' moment?

I don't understand this line of thinking at all? What am I missing here?

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Why do you think it must be inerrant to be normative and authoritative?

rambot said:

That's my point. Cops don't always HAVE TO be involved with a "mentally sick" person first.


You may be surprised to learn that just because someone is having a psychotic episode does not mean they will be arrested.


The bitter irony of this is off the chart. To call Floyd's arrest "de-regure" is not offensive so much as stupid. There has been no indication from any police body that having his knee on his neck was necessary. The mere fact that you are totally unaware of the rules of engagement around force for police officers is clear that you have no idea what you're arguing, talking about, or even viewing on TV.


If you're not going to address my point and just keep repeating what you've already said you're not a part of a "discussion".

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Cops have to detain a person before they can determine if the person needs psychological help or not. Cops
are trained on how to handle mentally ill people, whether you believe it or not.

As someone who studied self-defense, the move the cop put on George Floyd was a move taught in my
self-defense class, where we had prison guards and cops as students. Only 30% of the cop's weight was on Floyd's
neck, the other 70% was on the leg that was on the ground. The one cop who testified saying she was not
taught that in the academy, now admits she lied, it was taught. The stupidity comes from those who are not trained
but only saw the video. Also, the autopsy report showed that Floyd had large amounts of drugs in his system;


Anti-police sentiment is at play here.

Guojing said:

this is the same as saying works are necessary for your faith to be true.

Would you agree with that?

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No. Otherwise, we could say that the faith of the thief on the cross was not true. You are trying to say that works are necessary for salvation and that contradicts many scriptures. You need to ask God for wisdom because you are wrong about almost everything (James 1:5-7). If someone is saved and they have the opportunity to do the good works that God prepares for people to do AFTER they become saved (Ephesians 2:8-10), then if their faith is genuine, they will obey God and do those works. Having genuine faith means you are willing to serve God and isn't just mental assent. But, to be so wooden about it like you are would mean that someone like the thief on the cross was not saved. We are saved by grace through faith and NOT by works (Ephesians 2:8-9). What don't you understand about that?

Fisherking said:

PEOPLE LIKE YOU AMUSE ME........Those who think they have knowledge, bit don't.

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You just described yourself, so I guess you amuse yourself.

Landon Caeli said:

Networking AI's..!

Say I have $30,000 in the bank, and I ask my AI to help be start a business producing and marketing steering wheel covers. Now my AI asks me what I want them to look and feel like, and does every aspect of the business, from production to sales, by communicating with other AI systems to produce the best product, with a projected high yield profit for me. I literally do nothing, except imagine my product. It does all the work, and I make enough money to start my next project, whatever that is.

I now make money using my imagination.

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AI can't do some necessary work for you. It is limited, as its available databases are also limited. No doubt at times there may be wrong information in the web, and AI might give you a bum steer. Choice of words might be critical for AI giving you the "right answer." Therefore you have to have some sense of what the "right answer" might be (or the "good advice") before you can reasonably accept it without blind faith.

I got investment advice of a list of questions to ask about specific options, asking for the best overnight investment. The instructor showed that he used 4 AI engines, in which he recommended 2 of them for success. In those 2 AI engines, he won profit overnight. So I tried the exact same procedure on the 2 recommended AI engines (ChatGPT 5 and Grok 4.1, and I added MS Copilot), on 3 trades I won one and lost two. It proved to me it's basically a "crap shoot" or "coin toss," IOW, a gamble.

I regularly query it for medical advice, since I am retired and ailing. Sometimes I believe the answer is good, but most of the time, after asking all related questions I think of, I end up trashing the info. It may be near the same thing as a doctor's advice, because doctors give advice based on statistical evidence - 70% responded this way, 85% responded to that medicine, etc. So that's what they will prescribe, but it doesn't necessarily apply to you, since everyone's body chemistry is unique. AI is simply passing along statistical probabilities.

Sometimes you roll a 7, and sometimes snake-eyes. I use AI as a tool for possible solutions, but I don't rely on it.

Guojing said:

So put yourself in the shoes of anyone who were with him since the beginning, the 12 + James.

when you hear the resurrected Christ say Matthew 28:20, would you ever think that the Law of Moses died at the cross, that the old covenant was no longer in effect after His death?

If Christ meant to tell them that it did, he must have been a poor communicator by saying "teaching them to obey ALL that I have commanded you".

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You are impossible to reason with. How can you deny that the old covenant became obsolete upon the death of Christ when we have passages like these...

Hebrews 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Hebrews 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure. 7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—In the volume of the book it is written of Me—To do Your will, O God.’ ” 8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Scripture is clear that the old covenant was made obsolete by the blood of Christ, which established the better new covenant to replace it. Why do you deny this when the scriptures are so clear about this?

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Because it's an easier way of getting the message across to unbelievers.

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But if what you wrote is true, "Any film shown on TV or other, proves nothing." then how can videos get the message across to anybody?

Years ago I read that judges are using AI to determine sentences in court. I think that's a horrible idea. If anything needs the human mind, it's certainly that.

Brother Del said:

In regards to airplane windows, they are all convex, much like the lens on a go pro camera. In other words, you are looking out a curved window, not at a curved earth.

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Airplane windows are not convex. They are curved to match the fuselage. They don’t distort the view. Also pilot’s windows are like any other windshield glass but much stronger. All passengers and pilots can clearly see the curvature of the earth at cruising altitude. Not to mention the fact that airplane routes can take them from the east side of Africa to the west side of South America by flying over the Pacific Ocean. How could that be possible if the earth is flat?

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Ships don't disappear over the curvature of the earth, they advance beyond your visual perspective. Have you ever been on a long narrow highway lined with telephone poles on both sides? Look ahead or behind, the poles will grow closer together and closer to the ground from your perspective. Drive down the road a mile and those same poles will be at the same height and distance from one another as you originally perceived them. Aim a camera with a telescopic lens at the ship you watched disappear beyond the horizon, magnify the zoom and it will return to view.

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That’s perspective. A ship will in fact disappear from bottom to top. Even if you use a telescopic lens the effect will be the same. That is how the ancient Greeks attained the knowledge of a spherical earth.

Brother Del said:

You plainly stated "the fact that the earth is a sphere is not up for debate". Then why may I ask are you debating it here? If you are convinced that your view of the cosmos is the correct one, and all other viewpoints are " absurd", then what is the point of further discussion?

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Because it amazes me that someone would actually believe a flat earth when the earth has been scientifically and visually proven beyond any doubt to be a sphere. It’s even quite entertaining to see the disjointed and desperate arguments. You have fallen for falsehood. It’s sad really.

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You mentioned that it was God who created a spherical earth. It was also God who created the first humans, Adam and Eve. He created them in His own image and placed them in the garden called Paradise. They were perfect and innocent and had the presence of God Himself with them regularly. And yet, these magnificent creatures who were blessed beyond measure, and created in the very image of Almighty God, were somehow deceived by nothing more than a few simple statements and suggestions.

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Yes Satan deceived them. But we have Jesus now. We believers need to do like Michael the archangel and rebuke the devil in Jesus name. Many scientists are Christians and you are calling them liars.

Brother Del said:

We live in a fallen world, with fallen natures, not a paradise but a cesspool run by none other than Satan himself. Our enemies, the world and the devil, exist in complete opposition to everything that is holy and good and true. Our enemy the flesh is so easily tempted and corrupted that we must continually guard our hearts and minds against not only the world and the devil, but our own vain thoughts and imaginations. And yet, in light of these obvious spiritual realities, your average believer cannot even allow for the possibility that this evil and fallen world in which we live, just may be misrepresenting Gods creation, how such misrepresentations would obviously benefit them, or that ever falling victim to such a misrepresentation could ever be possible.

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First, we are Christians. Christ died in the cross so that we would NOT be fallen creatures. Not the whole world is fallen and 99.9% of the world knows that we live in a spherical earth. No one is deceiving 99.9% of the world. You are not enlightened beyond any one else. Believing in a spherical world, as it actually is, is not a sin. Satan is looking to keep us in sin not to keep us from knowing scientific truth.

Brother Del said:

I have already asked, why are you here if there is nothing to debate?

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I told you above. Your belief in a flat earth is like the carnival oddity.

Brother Del said:

Have you ever wondered why we are here? Do you think those of us who disagree with you come here because we enjoy the insults, being called idiots and wingnuts and repeatedly being accused of having no discernment or wisdom and many times even being told that we can't even possibly be true Christian believers etc etc? Are we masochists? Trolls? Enemies sent by the devil himself to stir up division? No to all of these.

I can't speak for anyone else, though I know enough people who share my views to confidently say, we are here because at some point in our lives we realized that this world is an empire of lies, ruled by none other than the father of lies, and that a great deal of what we have been told our entire lives served no other purpose than to distract and deceive us into accepting and believing even more lies which would eventually separate us from any knowledge of Almighty God, His creation, His divine purposes, and ultimately His very existence.

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In other words tin foil hats and fingers in the ears. My friend I am a Christian saved by the blood of Christ and am also an engineer. I can unequivocally tell you that your belief is absolutely wrong.

Brother Del said:

That what you call science, and established facts have already had this effect is beyond dispute. The theory of evolution being a prime example. How many people will never believe in God based upon that one scientific theory alone, how many others raised in the faith have abandoned that faith because of the things they were taught as facts during the process of higher education? God only knows.

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You really don’t give God enough credit. God already beat the devil. Christ already beat evil. No one can take His sheep out of His hands. No one. No theory of evolution, no scientific advances, nothing can take His sheep. In fact the more scientific advances happen the more it points to God’s creation.

Brother Del said:

We are here because at some point we realized that what we were told did not align with what we have observed. Do we claim to have all the answers, of course not. What we do have are a wealth insufficiently answered questions. And the God given ability to question those things which we can observably see as unsupported by the commonly accepted answers provided by the so called scientific community and generally accepted by the indoctrinated public at large.

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And yet the indoctrinated one is you. Has it not occurred to you that you are the one that is wrong? Why are you, a sinful finite being, questioning the wonderful creation of an infinite omnipotent being? What makes you think that your belief gives you any special gnosis beyond what is observable and has been revealed? You have fallen with the false teachers and I exhort you to pray and realize the falsehood of your belief.

Brother Del said:

God bless you.

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May God bless you and guide you as well.

bob121 said:

So, worldwide friends, hit reply with one sentence: what can you see outside your window right now

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My dog taking a poop, but I shall not share a photo.

bob121 said:

—and does it make you smile, sigh, or pray?

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None of the above.

Right now, it's too dark to take a good picture. But here's some recent pictures taken from my patio this year... The bird feeder attracts turkey's and deer, who eat fallen seeds, while the squirrels and birds take them directly from my homemade feeder.

The Grand Old Party's getting destroyed? <pops open bottle of champagne>

They haven't been grand since they abandoned human rights, free enterprise, non-interventionism, etc.

Networking AI's..!

Say I have $30,000 in the bank, and I ask my AI to help be start a business producing and marketing steering wheel covers. Now my AI asks me what I want them to look and feel like, and does every aspect of the business, from production to sales, by communicating with other AI systems to produce the best product, with a projected high yield profit for me. I literally do nothing, except imagine my product. It does all the work, and I make enough money to start my next project, whatever that is.

I now make money using my imagination.

SAAN said:

Isaiah 56, isnt referring to the 7th day Sabbath, it is referring to the Day of Atonement, which is a Sabbath itself, as you will find no where in the Torah where it forbids you of doing anything of the pleasure of the Sabbath, BUT the Day of Atonement is the ONLY day in which your are told to afflict your soul and turn from all things of your own pleasure. So it is very clear Isaiah 56 is taking about that day and not the 7th Day Sabbath.

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There are no passages in Isaiah 56 showing Sabbath being mentioned that are referring to just the Day of Atonement, that it is from Sabbath to Sabbath is indication that it is Sabbaths a seven day week apart. "My righteousness will be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold of it, who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and keeps his hands from doing any evil." This is any Sabbath, not at all just the Day of Atonement, and it is for any foreigners who join, as shown in the passages in this context, Isaiah 56; any gentiles are included, when they do join in doing this.

linux.poet said:

How do you hold Adam accountable to a law he did not know about (and the entirety of humanity would not know about) for thousands of years after he lived?

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He was made in the image and likeness of God; God was with him. He knew, more so than any after him.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and divinity; so that they are without excuse:

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

JosephZ said:

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene says she will resign, after fallout with Trump​

“If I am cast aside by MAGA Inc and replaced by Neocons, Big Pharma, Big Tech, Military Industrial War Complex, foreign leaders, and the elite donor class that can't even relate to real Americans, then many common Americans have been cast aside and replaced as well,” Greene said in a statement posted to social media.

"Standing up for American women who were raped at 14, trafficked and used by rich powerful men, should not result in me being called a traitor and threatened by the President of the United States, whom I fought for,"

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MTG repented. His Holy Spirit convicted her. The crucifix she wears carries a profound responsibility to embody the love and teachings of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. It is a miraculous event in the MAGA movement. I do hope she continues on her path of true repentance.
Blessings

Brother Del said:

That's a seriously long time to be completely wrong about so many different things.

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PEOPLE LIKE YOU AMUSE ME........Those who think they have knowledge, bit don't.

sovereigngrace said:

Where is the rapture in Rev 4:1? Where is the mention of the Church in Rev 4:1? You cannot even show these. That because it is not there. You force it into the inspired text. You cannot even get to B, never mind Z. Pretrib is all man-made theories. There is no authentic divine substance to it.

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Church is seen in Rev. 2 and 3 the THINGS WHICH ARE...........Then what is the first 2 words in Rev. 4:1? AFTER THIS !! I have already showed this many times, God will point this out to you on Judgment day, how you misled people, how Satan tricked you, as he is want to do, its his JOB-1. But Jesus' blood will cover you of course, but how many people will be led astray? I understand the deep things/prophesies, this Rapture timing stuff is chop liver man, its too easy, anyone not getting this, I would never trust on anything prophetic, WHY? Is that a dig? NO, why would I listen to a person about a meeting in New York who is telling me he will see me there on July 14 when I know the meeting is on June 14 ? I would tell him a few times, that meeting is in JUNE 14, and if he kept trying to explain to me why it has to be on July 14, then sooner or later I would just not heed anything he had to sat about any meeting, ever, assuming he has to be in error on all things.

keras said:

Palestinia, as designated by Emperor Hadrian;- 135 AD, was part of the Holy Land. Genesis 15:18
Today, it is just a figment of some peoples imagination.

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You mean to tell me, the Holy Land stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates, as shown here?