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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

You knew that it was a human.
Yeah, probably. Though, I suppose it could have been a very good wax figure. Ever been to one of those wax museums, they have some very convincing scultptures there.

But your ideology wouldn't allow you to say it.
Ideology has nothing to do with it, not that you have a clue what ideology I may or may not have. I suspected a trap somewhere along the way, and worded my response carefully.

See what happened?

You know that no about of surgeries from the most talented surgeons could possibly change a human into a cat.
At no point did I suggest otherwise. However, I have seen some amazing special effects makeup that certainly can make it look as if one has been. Ever hear of Doug Jones?

Your ideological barrier prevents you from connecting the dots and concluding that no amout of surgeries from the most talented surgeons can turn a man into a woman or vice versa.
Please stop pretending you know what my ideologies may be. You're not very good at it.

Your best answer was, "it appears to be human, but looks can be deceiving."
Sure. I also mentioned Michael Westmore. Wanna know why?

What on earth did you mean that, "looks can be deceiving" unless you were not completely certain that the image did not display an actual feline?
I meant exactly what I said. Nothing more, nothing less.

Please accept that, and refrain from pretending I said anything else.

-- A2SG, it's very annoying....
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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

Everyone could always tell. Whether or not they had the courage to tell the Emperor so and face reprisals, that's another story.

But enough about that irrelevant fable. Let's move back to the subject at hand.


Good thing you added "in other words," or people might mistake that quote for something I actually said.

-- A2SG, but you're doing a mighty fine job beating down your own strawmen, keep it up!
You knew that it was a human. But your ideology wouldn't allow you to say it. You know that no about of surgeries from the most talented surgeons could possibly change a human into a cat. Your ideological barrier prevents you from connecting the dots and concluding that no amout of surgeries from the most talented surgeons can turn a man into a woman or vice versa. Your best answer was, "it appears to be human, but looks can be deceiving." What on earth did you mean that, "looks can be deceiving" unless you were not completely certain that the image did not display an actual feline?
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

This. If they are in the water without a ship in the middle of the ocean, they are no longer a threat and therefore no longer a target.

If you want to remove them from the board, you send out a craft and detain them. You don't send another missle their way.
Show me the proof that any of this actually happened.
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

Don't play me for an idiot. There were guys in the water whose ship had been wrecked. Even if you were at war, which you aren't (you really should check to see who decides that), then killing unarmed men in the water, apart from being absolutely morally reprehensible, is murder. Those that support actions like this really need to take a good hard look at themselves.
Have the footage? Or any evidence whatsoever that any accusations actually occured?
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Etymology of bible words jew, jewish, gentile, judaism

Isaiah 65 starts off saying how God will reveal himself to the Greco Romans first century but also the Israelite remnant as they are no longer his people first century but he promised to save some of them. Well I think it is double meaning maybe it is just Greco Romans
It is written to the southern kingdom of Judah aka Judeans Jews.

then

15 You will leave your name
for my chosen ones to use in their curses;
the Sovereign Lord will put you to death,
but to his servants he will give another name.

Since 70 AD the word Jew means Christ killer, liar, deceiver, charlatan, dishonest, greedy, slimey etc. a curse word. And ofc God killed them all throughout the OT, and then 70 AD. Gods servants Christians have another name Christians. They were first called Christians at Antioch, and don't be ashamed of the name Christian because God has given you that name.
So does Romans 2 28 29 continue on after 70 AD or was it meant just to highlight the difference between the OT definition of Jew, and NT definition in the transition period from the old covenant to the new covenant 30-70 AD?
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6 Craziest Revelations From Scathing Report on Kash Patel — Including His Refusal to Leave a Plane Until He Was Given a Female Agent’s Jacket

Strongman is used as a pejorative when referring to a political or military leader. Putin for example is often referred to as a being strongman.
Please explain how that changes my observation?
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Etymology of bible words jew, jewish, gentile, judaism

I asked chat GPT to give the etymology of these words only from the bible, and only before 70 AD.

Here is the etymology of “Jew,” “Jewish,” “Judaism,” and “Gentile” using ONLY evidence from the Bible written before 70 AD:

✔ Hebrew Bible (Tanakh / LXX)
✔ Septuagint Greek (before 70 AD)
✔ New Testament books written before 70 AD (Paul, Mark, early Matthew sections, etc.)

No later sources, no post-70 AD history, no archaeology, no rabbinic texts, nothing after 70 AD.


⭐ 1. JEW

Hebrew Bible evidence (before 70 AD)

(A) Hebrew word: יְהוּדִי (Yehudi)

Meaning: “Judean,” a person of the tribe/territory of Judah.

Earliest appearance:

2 Kings 16:6

“The Syrians drove the Jews (Yehudim) from Elath.”
This is the first time in the Bible the word “Jew” appears.

Other uses:

  • Jeremiah 34:9 – “a free Jew” (Yehudi)
  • Esther 2:5 – “a certain Jew named Mordecai”
In the Hebrew Bible, Yehudi always means:

  • a person from Judah,
  • or by extension, someone belonging to the southern kingdom (Judah).

(B) Greek Septuagint (before 70 AD)

Hebrew Yehudi is translated as:

Ἰουδαῖος (Ioudaios)

Meaning: “Judean”.

Examples:

  • Esther 2:5 LXXAnd there was a man, a Judean (Ioudaios)
  • 2 Kings 16:6 LXXIoudaioi (“Judeans”)

What “Jew” meant before 70 AD (biblically):

  • A person from Judah
  • or a southern Israelite (after the split monarchy)
  • By NT times it could also mean a follower of the Judean religion
BUT the word always comes from “Judah.”


⭐ 2. JEWISH

The Hebrew Bible does not use an adjectival form (like “Jewish”).
Instead:

  • “the Judean people,”
  • “the people of Judah,”
  • “the customs of the Judeans.”

Examples (before 70 AD):

2 Kings 18:26 (Hebrew)

“Speak to your servants in Aramaic… do not speak to us in the Jewish language.”
Here “Jewish language” = Yehudit = “the language of Judah.”

This is the only Hebrew Bible term resembling “Jewish.”

LXX term (before 70 AD)

Greek uses:

Ἰουδαϊκός (Ioudaikos) – “Judean / pertaining to Judeans”​

Examples:

  • 2 Maccabees 2:21 (pre-70 AD text)
    “The battles… for the Jewish (Ioudaikos) customs.”
  • Mark 7:3 (NT written before 70 AD)
    “The Jewish (Ioudaioi) traditions.”

⭐ 3. JUDAISM

This is actually a biblical word and it appears before 70 AD.

Original biblical term: Ἰουδαϊσμός (Ioudaismos)

Meaning:

  • “The way of the Judeans”
  • “The Judean religion / practices”

First appearance: 2 Maccabees 2:21

“…the struggles on behalf of Judaism (Ioudaismos)…”
Other appearance: 2 Maccabees 8:1

New Testament (before 70 AD):​

Galatians 1:13–14

Paul uses the same Greek word:

“I advanced in Judaism (Ioudaismos) beyond many of my own age…”

What “Judaism” meant before 70 AD:

  • The religion of the Judeans
  • The customs of the post-exilic people of Judah
  • Not yet a global or modern system, but the pre-70 AD Judean faith

⭐ 4. GENTILE

This word comes from the Bible but through translation, not Hebrew etymology.

Hebrew Bible words (before 70 AD)

גּוֹי (goy) / גּוֹיִם (goyim)

Meaning:

  • “Nation”
  • “Peoples”
  • “Ethnic groups other than Israel”
Most famous examples:

  • Genesis 12:2 — Israel will be a great nation
  • Psalm 2:1 — “Why do the nations (goyim) rage?”
The Hebrew word does NOT mean “non-Jew.”
It simply means “nation.”

Greek Septuagint word (before 70 AD):

ἔθνη (ethnē)

Meaning:

  • “Nations,” “peoples,”
  • in Israel’s context: “the other nations”
NT Example:

  • Matthew 28:19 — “Make disciples of all nations (ethnē).”

Where “Gentile” comes from in the Bible:

When Jerome translated the LXX/NT into Latin (pre-70 AD usage preserved):

Latin Vulgate: gentes = nations

From this Latin word, English Bibles later used Gentile.

Meaning before 70 AD:

  • Goyim / ethnē = nations
  • Often meaning non-Israelite nations
    But not originally a derogatory term.

SUMMARY (Only Using Pre-70 AD Bible Evidence)

English TermPre-70 AD Hebrew TermPre-70 AD Greek TermBiblical Meaning Before 70 AD
JewYehudi = JudeanIoudaios = JudeanPerson from Judah (later the whole Judean people)
JewishYehudit = Judean languageIoudaikos = JudeanPertaining to Judeans (language, customs)
JudaismIoudaismosJudean religion/customs (2 Macc 2:21; Gal 1:13–14)
GentileGoy / Goyim = nationsEthnos / Ethnē = nationsAny nation (often non-Israelite)

⭐ If you want, I can also show:​

✔ Every OT verse containing Yehudi, Yehudit, goy, or goyim.
✔ Every LXX verse containing Ioudaios, Ioudaikos, ethnos.
✔ How “Ioudaios” changed meaning between 200 BC and 70 AD.
✔ The difference between Hebrew, Israelite, Judean, and Jew.

Just tell me!
it is amazing. You could then ask it how these words changed meaning after 70 AD. Christians are Judeans (Romans 2 28 29) meaning of the religion of Abraham.

The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

They can dress however they want. I may still think they are weird.
you think they are weird? Just because of how God created them? They aren't trans...they just happen to not look like thwir gender. Not by some statement either...just existing.


. But if anyone expects me to agree to their "gender identity" delusion, I will not hesitate to stand my ground.

#superstraight
Whatever you need
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

There were guys in the water whose ship had been wrecked.
This. If they are in the water without a ship in the middle of the ocean, they are no longer a threat and therefore no longer a target.

If you want to remove them from the board, you send out a craft and detain them. You don't send another missle their way.
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A look at Hosea 12:13-14:9 and John 1:51 (Haftarah for Torah portion "VaYetze")

HOSEA 12:13-14:9

The prophet condemns Israel for “forsaking the LORD.” Israel was led out of Egypt by the prophet Moses (Moshe) and tended to, provided for by YHVH, yet Israel forsook the LORD, chasing after false gods, going into idolatry. Now the LORD will punish, and his wrath will fall upon his people.

Yet YHVH still loves his people, yet will exact punishment and judgment just like a father, will punish and judge a disobedient son or daughter. Can we expect anything less from Adonai? If we abandon our LORD and live like a lost person, loving the desires of the lost world and the flesh, can we expect anything less than judgment from HIM who set us free from sin?

We always hear "God is Love", "God is kind." "God is good." Yes, yes, all true, but we also need to look at the other side of our creator. He is also a God of wrath and judgment, of discipline. Does this not show how our earthly fathers are? Our fathers showed us love, yet also discipline when we erred. They needed to spank us or punish us to get us on the right path again. Exodus 34 describes God as abundant mercy and long-suffering, slow to anger. The Hebrew idiom, "erech Apaim" (long-suffering or slow to anger) is known as "long nose." We imagine an angry person breathing heavily through their nose, but having a loooooonnnggg nose would mean more patience. But God does have his limits.

Yet there is hope. In Chapter 14, it starts with: “Shuvah Israel ad YHVH Eloheikha” (Return Israel unto the LORD thy God…” There is always hope while we have the breath of life. The words “Ad” or “Ed” have the same Hebrew consonants, “Ayin Dalet,” which can also mean “Witness.”

Adonai witnesses our waywardness as well as our “return” to Him. There is sin, and there is also repentance. This is what he wanted His people to do, this is what He wants US to do, since we are all part of His people. So, don't wait until it is too late. We might feel His chastisement in one way or another in this day and age, yet He still loves us and is calling our attention.

The word "Teshuvah," from which "shuv" is the verb, is "return, turn around, having a change of mind and direction." So the Prophet Hosea calls the attention of wayward Israel to their waywardness. As an example, God told him to marry a prostitute, an unfaithful wife. She found herself on the slave market, yet Hosea bought her back. This is the same way God reaches out to all believers who have gone off the straight path and jumped off the deep end of the pool with cement shoes! He'll break the cement and bring us back if we are willing.

Like Israel, have you gone astray? I think we all have, some more than others. There is hope in Messiah Yeshua (Jesus Christ), who paid it all.


John 1:51

This part of John tells of Nathanael's encounter with Yeshua. Early in Yeshua's ministry, when there we only a few disciples, John, Phillip, and Simon Peter, Yeshua saw Nathanael under a fig tree. We might imagine what he might have been doing, perhaps in prayer or just resting. He got up and followed Phillip, and Yeshua saw him and said, "Here is a true son of Israel, nothing false in him." So, we could say that Yeshua looked deep inside of Nathanael and saw the "inner Nathanael. (meaning "a gift of God) God's gift was faith and sincerity. He told him the following:

"You will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man." This echoes the time that Jacob was fleeing from angry Esau and was headed to Haran, about 400 miles away, to seek a wife (or two). He had a dream of a ladder (Sulam), the Hebrew word meaning for "Sulam" is a "ladder with rungs" or a "Staircase." And angels were descending and ascending on the Son of Man. The identity of the "Sulam" is Yeshua himself. Angels are being sent to serve him, and also, angels are called "messengers."

In Hebraic thought and commentary, the ladder or staircase had 22 rungs or steps symbolizing the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. Each Hebrew letter has a meaning, so if Yeshua is the ladder, then we get to God the Father through the Son, as in John 14:6. Each step or rung could be part of our relationship with the LORD, "Aleph" being God, "Beit" (B) Household of faith "Gimmel" (G) greatness in our relationship "Dalet' (D) "Yeshua as the "Door" as in John 10:9. Like I said, it is commentary, but don't we all advance in life with the LORD step-by-step, and rung-by-rung?

Now Nathanael was not living at the time of Jacob, but Jacob's name was changed to "Israel," so Nathanael being a "Son of Israel," can mean that "Yes, indeed, he is a descendant of Jacob, and he has the faith of Jacob. But now, Nathanael will see that Heaven has indeed opened and Yeshua has come down from Heaven to minister on Earth, and indeed, the angels will be at his service. Who knows how many times angels have gotten us out of fixes and situations, being instructed by God? We will find out in heaven, and hopefully will meet our guardian angel.

Shalom, have a blessed rest of the week.

Porneia, sexual immorality and romantic love, committed love in marriage.

First, about porneia > I think this is listed in Colossians 3:5 as a thing to put to death >

"Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry." (Colossians 3:5)

Here, "fornication" is porneia. And we are to put it "to death". So, I see this does not only mean to stop the outward and physical immoral actions, but put to death the spiritual depth of it including feelings and emotions and desires that are spiritual but immoral. So, it is stuff that is keeping a person away from relating right with Jesus as our Groom, and with brothers and sisters in Jesus the right way. It means stuff that keeps us from living in God's love. It gets our attention away.

So it is, then, an anti-love thing which needs to be put to death . . . getting rid of what in my heart would have me being immoral. Kill it so I can be alive in God's way of loving, instead. My experience is that interest in immoral activity has different things operating, and which keep me from loving the way I should >

*Interest in the pleasure*, even if I don't act on it, can keep my attention away from personally submitting to God in His peace . . . all the time > as we are "called in one body" to do >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

God's peace is so better than the feelings of pleasure of sexual stuff. To be intimate with nice feelings is not as great as being intimate with God and one another in His peace ruling us. I have found how I can use a woman for pleasure, but my intimacy is not really with her, but with the feelings I like. So . . . it is anti-love . . . using someone, instead of really loving her. And what contributes to this? >

*beauty discrimination* > I can favor a nicer looking woman, instead of loving every woman the way God wants. And immoral attraction can be brought on by how nice a woman acts and looks; so it is not really getting to know her and share deeply. And look what happened when Jacob discriminated against Leah because she was not beautiful like Rachel >

"When the LORD saw that Leah was unloved, He opened her womb; but Rachel was barren" (Genesis 29:31)

Jacob did not want Leah to be his wife; he got tricked into getting her. And he favored Rachel more than Leah, because of what they looked like. And I see how the LORD expected him to love her dearly and completely; and so the LORD enforced this, by not allowing Rachel to have children. And yes I have seen how my way of loving women can be connected with what they look like and how nicely they talk and move.

And a couple of women I have fallen for "the hardest" have turned out to have major personal and character and emotional problems. But they were "extravagant" looking and acting.

But Jesus says >

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

So, it is anti-love if I favor someone only because of how I can use her for pleasure . . . physically, or just to look at her, and/or because of how she can charm me. Yes, God "gives us richly all things to enjoy," we have in 1 Timothy 6:17; however, this does not mean for me to discriminate in how I love each person.


Paul says how to relate >

"not in passion of lust" > in 1 Thessalonians 4:5.

I think this goes even for in Christian marriage. There can be a difference between lust, versus desiring one another in intimate and tender caring for one another . . . in God's love. God's love is so better than just lust for the pleasure and what the companion looks like and the charming voice.

"Let all that you do be done with love." (1 Corinthians 16:14)

"All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any." > in 1 Corinthians 6:12.

So, even in holy matrimony . . . it seems to me that God wants us to be first about sharing with Him in His love, all the time, and in this intimacy with God we discover how He has us sharing with one another in marriage and our other close relating as brothers and sisters in Jesus.

So, if I am just thinking about using someone, and only using someone to look at . . . this is getting me away from loving her . . . including how instead I need to be blessing and praying for her. And it has me away from staying submissive to God in His peace ruling us in our hearts > Colossians 3:15.
That is all true yet it remains essential to understand there is no Greek word 'lust' in the NT. In the English the word 'lust' is inherently immoral/bad, but the same cannot be said for the underlying Greek word for 'strong desire'. And even strong (physical) desire within marriage should be considered good with the morally 'right' attitude. The LXX even uses the word 'agape' in Song of Songs in an erotic context. Strong physical desire in marriage without the proper holistic love is selfish and probably ends up hurting the other party. But there is a Christian tendency to Asceticism (growing very strong already in the 2nd century AD) that seems to depart from the Jewish perspective, and that views physical desire by definition as sinful, or at best just tolerated for the sake or pro-creation.
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Zions New Children

Isaiah 49:1-26 Listen to Me you peoples far distant,...... But Zion [the Holy Land] said: The Lord has forsaken me, and my Lord has forgotten me…. The children which you will have, after you have lost the former ones, shall say to you: This place is too small for us, give us more space to dwell . Then you will say to yourself: Who has begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am alone and desolate, and where have they come from? Thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders, for they shall not be ashamed that have faith in Me.
There's a sense in which this is all fulfilling the oldest of promises and prophecies, before they even ENTERED the land in the first place!
Yes, I'm talking about Deuteronomy, where God promises that he will judge them if Israel rebel and expel them from their land.
But even then he will remember them - and bring them back.

That's exactly what happened.
Israel was expelled by the Babylonians, and returned by the Persians!

Hebrews 12:22-24 But you have come unto mount Zion......
We Christians are the latter children of Zion, Spiritually of the twelve tribes, the true Israelites of God, all the faithful Christian peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10
Now let's try something a bit different.
Let's try reading it in context - not just plucking it out of context to justify our own little Nicholas Cage movie!

If you look in context - it's full of warnings and encouragements to the Christians reading the letter - not a prophecy about the future - not at this point anyway. The bit you quote is about their current relationship with God. It's a metaphor for how Christians are the current expression of God's kingdom on earth right now as we await his return when heaven and nature meet!

If you strip out Mount Zion to the future - you do irreparable damage to the rest of the passage and make it nonsensical. Because it's all part of the application to the immediate readers!

This is one of the classic verses that illustrates how the apostles saw the "Kingdom of God" in eschatological tension.
The church, representing the kingdom, in the 'now but not yet' nature of our era.
The overlapping outbreak of God's kingdom on earth while earthly rulers still frustrate, and sometimes even persecute us.

They pray, from where-ever they are scattered across the Roman empire, and it's as if they've come to Mount Zion!
It's that simple and beautiful!

Hebrews 12:
14Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. 16See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son. 17Afterward, as you know, when he wanted to inherit this blessing, he was rejected. Even though he sought the blessing with tears, he could not change what he had done.
18You have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm; 19to a trumpet blast or to such a voice speaking words that those who heard it begged that no further word be spoken to them, 20because they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.” 21The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”
22But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
25See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? 26At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.” 27The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain.
28Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, 29for our “God is a consuming fire.”

And you want to turn this into a Nicholas Cage movie?
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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

Let him speak for himself.
I already did.

His answer seemed pretty clear to me. "It looks like a human, but who am I to judge."
That was not my answer. Please refrain from attributing quotes to me I never said.

Correct. Just like a transgender woman is a man with a bunch of weird looking body mods.
Most aren't really all that weird, you know.

-- A2SG, but I've seen weirder stuff at comic book and sci-fi conventions....
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6 Craziest Revelations From Scathing Report on Kash Patel — Including His Refusal to Leave a Plane Until He Was Given a Female Agent’s Jacket

Funny how they end up as supposedly mediocre and also supposedly strongmen who are putting fear into the democrats they're supposedly out to get.
Are you kidding? I have never feared a person who is truly strong. They know themselves and tend to be fair and generous. It is those who are weak who must bully, brutalize, and pretend to strength who are to be feared.
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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

Yes. One can never truly tell if the Emperor is wearing clothes or not.
Everyone could always tell. Whether or not they had the courage to tell the Emperor so and face reprisals, that's another story.

But enough about that irrelevant fable. Let's move back to the subject at hand.

The posters answer was that it appeared to be human, but "looks can be deceiving." In other words, "It looks human but looks can be deceiving. So it could be a cat."
Good thing you added "in other words," or people might mistake that quote for something I actually said.

-- A2SG, but you're doing a mighty fine job beating down your own strawmen, keep it up!
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

That does not answer the question. What order was given that was illegal?
Don't play me for an idiot. There were guys in the water whose ship had been wrecked. Even if you were at war, which you aren't (you really should check to see who decides that), then killing unarmed men in the water, apart from being absolutely morally reprehensible, is murder. Those that support actions like this really need to take a good hard look at themselves.
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Federal judges block Texas from using its new US House map in the 2026 midterms

Texas Senate passed a bill that forbids public schools from teaching history and current events about race that might upset students.
How dare they try to upset students at a time like this! Don't they know there's a war on? We're at war with Eastasia, we've always been at war with Eastasia.

-- A2SG, report to room 101, immediately!
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Obama care collapsing.....

GOP faces a familiar dilemma: What to do about Obamacare?

Republican leaders have found themselves in a familiar place: pledging to make major changes to the Affordable Care Act, citing rising health care costs and a looming deadline - but far from agreeing on how to do it.

Republicans promised a mid-December vote on how to proceed on the expiring subsidies, in exchange for support from some Democrats for ending the government shutdown in November. Democrats have argued that the simplest and most politically popular option is to extend the subsidies, which were implemented in 2021 and meant to help defray the cost of health coverage during the covid-19 pandemic. But many GOP lawmakers have campaigned for years on pledges to “repeal Obamacare” and say that continuing to fund the subsidies is a nonstarter, calling instead to shift the money to Americans in the form of health-savings accounts.

“The White House has a solution for cost-sharing,” [can we see it? The last one the WH rolled out vanished in less than a day] Kevin Hassett, director of the National Economic Council, said Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” predicting that “people are going to work this out” by Christmas.

“We don’t want to cause panic for the folks who are worried that they’re going to lose the thing that they have,” Hassett added.

Thirteen House Republicans, mostly from liberal-leaning states, sent a letter to House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-Louisiana) during the shutdown warning that a failure to extend a version of the subsidies would “risk real harm to those we represent.”

However, many Republicans oppose extending the subsidies - arguing that they are a pandemic-era relic - and instead see the debate as an opportunity to revisit health care reforms the party has sought in the past.
The problem lawmakers of both parties face is they don't want to lose the millions of dollars the for-profit health insurance industry funnels into their reelection campaigns. This money is largely why the GOP first promoted the Heritage Foundation plan as it was market-based and relied on private, for-profit health insurance. It's also why Democrats supported it later on, and that's the only reason the GOP now has a problem with it. But, the problem there is, they haven't come up with any idea that actually provides health care coverage AND relies on for-profit health insurance (protecting their own campaign bottom lines). The only idea I've heard floated about is health savings accounts, which seem like a good idea...if you have money. If you don't, it isn't.

Then again, when has the GOP ever really cared about people who don't have money?

-- A2SG, except when they vote Republican, of course....
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

And speaking of politicizing, when is the President going to order the flag lowered for the death of one of our troops?
Too divisive. It's not like she was some important podcaster or Youtube personality known for pushing politics.
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