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Hentenza · 2025-11-14T09:08:17-0600

Tigger Boy said:
No you didn’t mention a forth heaven, I made it up. Because you said that, “Paradise is the third heaven as Paul describes in 2 Cor. 12. This heaven is not the same as where Jesus explains He has not been to in John 20:17. In fact, Paul and Jesus call the third heaven paradise.” ,

Based on this statement, where is the heaven of John 20:17, the first heaven where birds and airplanes fly and the law of gravity is in play, or the second heavens further out where the planets are suspended beyond the laws of gravity?

Your senond statement, Jesus body remained in the tomb for three days but His divine self did not. 1 Peter 3 tells us that He ministered to the spirits in “prison” and that He went to paradise as He told the thief.

This statement appears to lack your understanding of what was accomplished in the death of Christ. Would you be willing to do as 1 Peter 3:15 instructs and answer some question in this regard?

Unfortunately your responses are not really in response to the evidence that I posted. Just because you say that it is wrong does not count as evidence. I addressed every verse that you posted in good faith but the best you have is to accuse me of not following 1 Peter 3:15. I think I’m done here.

Be blessed

durangodawood · 2025-11-14T09:07:00-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Trump's terrible decisions. They can only be fixed by another terrible decision.

What this ship of state really needs is a giant hole in the bottom of it. People will pay to look through it and see the fishes.

The Barbarian · 2025-11-14T09:06:23-0600

China had the same problem during the "Great Cultural Revolution." When Mao fired all the politically incorrect officials, he had no one competent enough to make things work. Eventually, sane people stepped in and put an end to the clown show. I expect that will be what happens here.

sir.dante.esq · 2025-11-14T09:05:19-0600

Tinker Grey said:
Einstein didn't say that: Did Einstein Say 'The Only Thing More Dangerous than Ignorance Is Arrogance'?

Awe well your right I should have just stayed with what I know and that is scripture lol Einstein did not say it.

Did Einstein Say 'The Only Thing More Dangerous than Ignorance Is Arrogance'?

One can't help but wonder what the Nobel Prize-winning physicist, who died in 1955, would say about the many fake quotes attributed to him online.

www.snopes.com

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-14T09:04:22-0600

Better writing makes great editors.

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-14T09:04:00-0600

Trump's taking the news gracefully this morning.

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-14T09:03:49-0600

politically incorrect

The Barbarian · 2025-11-14T09:03:00-0600

eleos1954 said:
Back when darwinism became popular there wasn't the technology available that we have today. It is now known the extreme complexity there is and it is much harder to believe "it just happened

Darwin's great discovery was how it happens. Nothing in evolutionary theory is about "it just happened." It's a sad commentary on science education in the U.S. that so many people actually believe that story. Darwinian theory turns out to have useful applications in engineering, as engineers are now using evolutionary processes to solve problems that were not possible to solve using design. Turns out, God knew best.

eleos1954 said:
instead more theories are put forth in an attempt to "explain" how things "could have happened"

It's directly observed today. It happened the way we see it happening now. God is a lot smarter and more powerful than most creationist think He is.

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-14T09:02:22-0600

anything you desire . . . for the right price.

The right price . . .

lucypevensie · 2025-11-14T08:57:56-0600

Americans need to eat better.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-14T08:56:45-0600

Incorrect posture

wing2000 · 2025-11-14T08:56:16-0600

Who will prosecute this circus? Word is the DOJ has no competent prosecutors left.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-14T08:55:49-0600

green beans.

You can buy…

Apple Sky · 2025-11-14T08:55:09-0600

Phil G said:
Asking a question is, by default, looking for discussion.

Is it ?

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-14T08:54:48-0600

Landon Caeli said:
This is how the current administration helps Americans with getting good paying jobs. Things like this need to be happening.

Since when is driving a truck a "good paying job"? Maybe it pays well if you've got some extra certifications and drive for a specialty outfit doing stuff like high security or way oversized loads, but everything I hear about vanilla hauling is that it's a race to the bottom and that the industry is full of predatory firms conning drivers into expensive loans. And it's probably within a generation of being completely replaced by robots.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-14T08:54:46-0600

Look son, act nice!

SONC

durangodawood · 2025-11-14T08:54:30-0600

Servus said:
And? Russiagate was supposed to result in the downfall of the Trump administration according to all the commentary from the left. Compared to what they were predicting and hoping for, the whole thing ended up as a nothingburger joke. It gave the right a hardy laugh at its anticlimactic end. That will likely be the same result with Epsteingate.

A lot of people were never exposed to the findings of those investigations.

Ive come to realize how much people want their preferences reinforced rather than challenged,

Dikaioumenoi · 2025-11-14T08:53:43-0600

The Liturgist said:
Perhaps, my friend, you and I, with our knowledge of Patristics and the history of the early church and our shared sacramental, Trinitarian, iconographic and anti-Nestorian Christianity, and our veneration of the Theotokos, could find something interesting to talk about, if not on this subject, which seems to be a boring attempt to prove Calvinism from the scriptural text, which is impossible (I can’t completely disprove monergism or prove synergism, which is why I am patient with our Lutheran friends although I disagree with them on this issue because of the Fifth Ecumenical Synod and many NT texts), then on a related subject.

I, too, take great delight in weaving sprawling, breathless, period-defying sentences that wander amiably through thoughts and sub-thoughts like an overcaffeinated scribe in a dimly lit library, endlessly stacking clause upon clause in a kind of grammatical Jenga that no one requested yet everyone must now behold with polite astonishment.

I'm only having a bit of fun, not taking a jab at you. Crafting that sentence took me far more time this morning than I'm willing to admit publicly, so please don't be hard on me.

Consider it my small tribute to the noble art of the marathon clause.

I am curious, though: Why do you think proving (or disproving) "Calvinism from the scriptural text" is impossible? Are you claiming the position is unfalsifiable, or that Scripture itself is insufficiently clear on the matter? Since the little bit of back-and-forth I've had with fhansen on John 6:44 has produced little engagement with my actual argument, I'd be interested to hear how you approach the text.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-14T08:53:24-0600

So no, you didn’t understand?

BCP1928 · 2025-11-14T08:52:19-0600

stevevw said:
I think that this is a either/or fallacy. Either all situations have a physical or spiritual affect. That there is not mixture of causes or explanations. Lets apply the same scenario to miracles and prayer. I am sure they will come back and say that miracles and prayer is post hoc and in the imagination.

It still may be that remedies that are outside the box have a physical affect on reality. It may be that acupuncture though having a physical explanation ie stimulates the area. But we don't know the affect it has on minds. Much of this kind of medicine is based on mental states overcoming physical states. Even psychology is based on this. It is the mind that creates certain realities mentally. Physics even tells us this now.

So you don't know what degrees of influence the non material or spiritual has on the physical. You just assume its all physical. We even have an entire journal on spiritual auggmentation which shows that the spiritual actually changes the physical outcomes of patients. What sort of physical explanation could explain this. I am sure skeptics will find one. Even for miracles and prayer.

This whole debate about what line or threshhold is material or spiritual and transcends objective reality. Or visible and invisible is itself represents. Or what even the physical represents ontologically is an unsettled philsophy.

Lol yes money always trumps everything else. The same thing has happened with some indigenous groups who have claims to the land as original inhabitants. They are now using the system that took their land to make money by holding it to ransom for big $ deals. They realise they sit on valuable minerals. But this is not the average Abroriginal who just wants to be free on the land as it is like their spiritual home.

Look there are all sorts of specific examples which are not so black and white and I am not claiming that material sciences that explain the naturalistic causes are not explaining something real. There are degrees where the scientific explanation fits well and others it doesn't.

Of course the results of the knowledge work. Otherwise its useless. But it doesn't tell us the nature of how that works. The science is just describing what is happening. The physical processes and results. The results come from the physical explanations.

My point is we don't know that. We don't know how much the experience of nature made a difference to knowing and influencing reality. I don't think the ancients could explain the scientific causes. They have no idea. All they know is that they experienced something about nature that led them to deeper knowledge of how to manipulate it.

Observing from the outside is completely different to immersion within nature. This surely brings a different level of knowledge and one that is more directly linked to what is going on.

I liken it to an intimant relation with something. There are certain aspects you can measure about the material processes. But there are realities that can only be known by the subjective experiences. Just like Marys experience of the color Red. We gain knowledge of reality that all the knowledge of science and material reality could not tell us.

So there may be like knowledge that is gained by the deeper immersion and intimate relation to nature that only comes from conscious experiences of it.

That may be that the phenomenal experiences give a different view or paradigm. Open minds up to levels of nature that are not accessible from the outside in view of 3rd party sciences. Hense the ancients and Indigenous peoples were discovering some of natures secrets that the material sciences could never find or understand without the enlightened knowledge and science looking from the outside in.

I'm not sure what you mean by "third party science."

wing2000 · 2025-11-14T08:51:01-0600

durangodawood said:
Could be wrong, but I thought there was already an overall shortage of truck drivers.

...yes. But no worries, fully automated trucks will soon be the norm.

edit to add link (in Texas, automated trucks are already on the highway from Dallas to Houston....since May).

Driverless semi-trucks are on the road in North Texas

For the first time, driverless semi-trucks with no one behind the wheel are on the road in North Texas.

www.cbsnews.com

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-14T08:50:22-0600

Landon Caeli said:
I don't know what kind of good you think you're doing, diminishing Christianity down to the level of Islam.

I don't know what kind of good you think you're doing propagating a fantasy that denies the realities of what @JosephZ posted. Do you think his claims are inaccurate or do you just not like them?

wing2000 · 2025-11-14T08:49:55-0600

...from the op's link:

Newsom's office said that every one of the drivers whose license is being revoked had valid work authorizations from the federal government. At first, his office declined to disclose the exact reason for revoking the licenses, saying only they violated state law. Later, his office revealed the state law it was referring to was one that requires the licenses expire on or before a person's legal status to be in the United State ends, as reported to the DMV.

Essentially, California failed to set the correct license expiration date to coincide with the end of the person's legal status.

durangodawood · 2025-11-14T08:49:30-0600

This DoJ nosedive will be consequential for victims of serious crimes, I think. In a bad way.

Bob Crowley · 2025-11-14T08:49:07-0600

It clarified what might be called "unhelpful" terms.

The Vatican’s doctrinal office said Tuesday the title of “Co-Redemptrix” is not an appropriate way to describe Mary’s participation in salvation.

In Mater Populi Fidelis (“The Mother of the Faithful People of God”), the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF) said when an expression requires frequent explanation to maintain the correct meaning, it becomes unhelpful.

In addition to “Co-Redemptrix,” the document also addressed at length the Marian title “Mediatrix” or “Mediatrix of All Graces,” analyzing related Church teaching on Mary’s role as intercessor.

The DDF concluded that “some titles, such as ‘Mediatrix of All Graces,’ have limits that do not favor a correct understanding of Mary’s unique place.”

They still emphasised her unique role as "Mother of God" in the sense she was the "Mother of Christ, the Son of God".

The dicastery encouraged the use of other expressions for Mary, specifically titles referring to her motherhood, including “Mother of God” and “Mother of the Faithful People of God.”

“She is the mother who gave the world the author of redemption and of grace, who stood firm at the foot of the cross (cf. John 19:25), suffering alongside her son and offering the pain of her maternal heart pierced by the sword (cf. Luke 2:35),” the document said. “From the Incarnation to the cross and the Resurrection, she was united to Christ in a way that is unique and that far surpasses any other believer.”

My Protestant pastor, who was not anti-Catholic, said two things about Marian apparitions. First "There's been a lot of them" and second "I think they're a judgement on a divided church".

If Protestants think she has no special role, they're very much mistaken.

When Christ said to John at the foot of the cross, "Behold your mother", and to Mary "Behold your son", John was standing in as proxy for all the faithful people of God, hence the term "Mother of the Faithful People of God". Christ was God in the flesh and His words had more import than a mere local acknowledgement of one man. They were transcendant.

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