What's the "orthodox" view of the law of Christ?

[Setyoufree]

Ruined is too strong a word IMO; anything God creates is still good in its essence .....

Then Lucifer turned Satan is still good because God created him.

Ez 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, carnelian, chrysolite, and moonstone, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nrs/ezekiel/28.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-cturquoise, and emerald; and worked in gold were your settings and your engravings. http://www.biblestudytools.com/nrs/ezekiel/28.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-dOn the day that you were created they were prepared. 14 With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you; http://www.biblestudytools.com/nrs/ezekiel/28.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-eyou were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the stones of fire. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you!

 

[fhansen]

Then Lucifer turned Satan is still good because God created him.

Ez 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, carnelian, chrysolite, and moonstone, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nrs/ezekiel/28.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-cturquoise, and emerald; and worked in gold were your settings and your engravings. http://www.biblestudytools.com/nrs/ezekiel/28.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-dOn the day that you were created they were prepared. 14 With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you; http://www.biblestudytools.com/nrs/ezekiel/28.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-eyou were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the stones of fire. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you!

He certainly wasn't blameless anymore-and iniquity was found in him-but he remains God's creation, a creation whom, however, will apparently never relent of his opposition to God, of the iniquity which he embraced instead.

 

[from scratch]

Well, yes, he is; agape is the way-the right way-that the law is fulfilled:
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Rom 13:8-10

Each to his own.

Now we are delivered from the law..

 

[from scratch]

Scratch, I said the last 6....I wish you would quote me correctly....

But, anyway....Without agape all your works are worthless because they are prompted by selfishness. Therefore works done without agape are polluted with sin and are no better than dung.

I know you love separating the law and even the Ten Commandments. The Bible doesn't do this in any place. The law is a single indivisible whole unit. You can have the wages of any work I do. I like the gift much better.

 

[from scratch]

Yes, but all creation is good because He made it so. We just have to learn how to behave accordingly, according to the wisdom He created us to be ruled by-His law for man, according to His goodness or righteousness IOW which is only available to us to the extent we remain in communion with Him.

So check the rule list before you do or say anything. Please make sure you don't sin. The law of liberty (freedom from the law) following the leading of the Holy Spirit is so much easier.

 

[from scratch]

Yes, at creation mankind was perfect, just as Lucifer was perfect in all his ways, until iniquity was found in him. But after the fall you can not longer state that God's creation is good because it has been ruined by entrance of sin.

Naw. Its still good. The problem is pollution.

 

[from scratch]

This is Moses writing about the creation of mankind:

Gen 5:1 This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created.

Now Moses turns to after the fall:

3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

No longer was Adam in God's image. Hence he begot a son after his likeness and image.....

Interesting twist. What I know to be true is that I died and have been raised a new man no longer the image of Adam but the image of Jesus the 2d Adam.

 

[from scratch]

As a result of the fall, man by very nature is spiritually “bent,” so that the driving force of his very nature is love of self. Paul defines it as “the law of sin and death” [Romans 7:23; 8:2]. It is this condition that is the basis of all our sinning, and which makes us slaves to sin [Romans 3:9-12; 7:14].


Iniquity, therefore, is simply seeking our own way, a condition we are born with and which (without a Saviour) makes it impossible to do genuine righteousness, since the law of God requires even our motives to be pure [Matthew 5:20-22, 27-28]. In contrast to iniquity or self-seeking is agape (divine love) which is of God and which “seeketh not her own” [1 Corinthians 13:5].

Aren't we commanded to love our self?

And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mat 22:39

 

[fhansen]

So check the rule list before you do or say anything. Please make sure you don't sin. The law of liberty (freedom from the law) following the leading of the Holy Spirit is so much easier.

Most people who discuss this stuff already know that remaining in "communion with Him" is an alternative way to express the term "following the leading of the Holy Spirit".

 

[George95]

MOD HAT ON

Topic moved to Sabbath and The Law from General Theology.

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[from scratch]

Then Lucifer turned Satan is still good because God created him.

Ez 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, carnelian, chrysolite, and moonstone, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nrs/ezekiel/28.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-cturquoise, and emerald; and worked in gold were your settings and your engravings. http://www.biblestudytools.com/nrs/ezekiel/28.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-dOn the day that you were created they were prepared. 14 With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you; http://www.biblestudytools.com/nrs/ezekiel/28.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-eyou were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the stones of fire. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you!

Simply amazing!!

 

[from scratch]

Most people who discuss this stuff already know that remaining in "communion with Him" is an alternative way to express the term "following the leading of the Holy Spirit".

Has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.

 

[fhansen]

Has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.

I disagree.

 

[14messenger]

I disagree.

I disagree.

 

[fhansen]

I disagree.

yes, me too.

 

[from scratch]

I disagree.

So, no big deal.

 

[fhansen]

So, no big deal.

It depends I suppose. To be led by the Spirit, to be under grace, to be in communion with God, to be justified, to know and love God with one's whole heart, soul, mind, and strength are all related concepts, and all require His help and our cooperation with it. Our closeness to and with God is relative in this life; we grow in this relationship-in this justice, actually-and we can turn from it as well.

So while we don't need to be running down a checklist of rules, the rules aren't our enemy; they never were. The enemy is ourselves, our own willingness to depart and remain separated from God, apart from whom we can do nothing. Until our union with Him is complete, until we never stray from His grace, until our faith, hope, and love never waver, the law can still serve to remind us when we're failing in this union-when we're demonstrating by our acts, by our sin, that the law's existence continues to be worthwhile IOW, serving as a teacher. Our goal is to remain in Him always-and this union isn't merely an intellectual concept, of knowing we're forgiven and believing we're saved, as if that's all our justification consists of.

The New Covenant doesn't revoke the Old; it simply makes it obsolete, because the NC enables us to fulfill God's law the right way rather than dispensing with it altogether as if righteousness suddenly no longer mattered to Him, as if we were no longer obliged to be righteous IOW.