And I found quite a few threads making claims about eternal security in Jesus, or eternal salvation in him, isn't true?
Does anyone else find it odd that Christians would argue that is so? And how do they do that when they're saying that about themselves first?
I would think a Christian forum believes itself to at all times present the image of God and Christ to anyone who reads its pages.
Think of it this way, as it is written in the book of Revelation.
The whole world is doomed.
That's a given. It doesn't change. From Genesis to Revelation, that remains the same.
From the Garden of Eden,
until Jesus Returns, that doesn't change.
When Jesus Returns, He destroys the enemy armies (million plus? however many).
He doesn't save them.
When Jesus Returns, He requires obedience.
Later, after Jesus Returns, there is Judgment Day.
No mercy on that day for anyone who died apart from Jesus.
Only shame and humiliation and destruction. That doesn't change either. It is unchangeable.
Here's the clincher - shame and humiliation and destruction is not only for those who said that they willfully rejected Jesus. No. Not only for them. (surprised?)
That's why the book of Revelation is so important. Read it.
A multitude of people who are saying they have eternal security today,
when they see Jesus on Judgment Day,
are told something they don't want to hear. It is part of / it is in/ the Gospel.
What they thought "eternal", wasn't. (and isn't).
They believed something that wasn't true, and find out on Judgment Day.
Too bad.
Very bad.
Meanwhile, Jesus IS eternal. No change there. No problem for anyone WITH JESUS.
No one else besides Jesus has the words of eternal life.
Only Jesus.
Just some people say one thing, and Jesus says something else.
Jesus wins. Jesus is right.
People who are not with Jesus , well..... they cannot save themselves at all, eternal or even temporary.
That's why it is always best to believe Jesus, cling to Jesus' word, and trust Him.
HE is trustworthy, faithful and true.
Men fail.