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"Panel discussion" is a specific term that means "a structured conversation that brings together multiple experts to discuss a specific topic in front of an audience".It's not a discussion, it's an echo chamber.
The paper was presented to support that there is no causality between saturated fats and CVDs. However, the paper goes even further and concludes that there is not even any association (which basically rejects any possible causality).At 32 min. The paper Saturated fat: Villan or Boogyman I went through the underlined references:
"PubMed, Google scholar, and Scopus were searched for articles published between 2010 and 2021 on the association between SFA consumption and CVD risk and outcomes."
#17 "In summary, although substitution of dietary polyunsaturated fat for saturated fat has been shown to lower CVD risk, there are few epidemiologic or clinical trial data to support a benefit of replacing saturated fat with carbohydrate. Furthermore, particularly given the differential effects of dietary saturated fats and carbohydrates on concentrations of larger and smaller LDL particles, respectively, dietary efforts to improve the increasing burden of CVD risk associated with atherogenic dyslipidemia should primarily emphasize the limitation of refined carbohydrate intakes and a reduction in excess adiposity."
#13 "This expert panel reviewed the evidence and reached the following conclusions: the evidence from epidemiologic, clinical, and mechanistic studies is consistent in finding that the risk of CHD is reduced when SFAs are replaced with polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs). In populations who consume a Western diet, the replacement of 1% of energy from SFAs with PUFAs lowers LDL cholesterol and is likely to produce a reduction in CHD incidence of ≥2-3%. No clear benefit of substituting carbohydrates for SFAs has been shown, although there might be a benefit if the carbohydrate is unrefined and has a low glycemic index"
I stopped looking because most of the references weren't studies on saturated fat. Like I said camp diets will lead you to a biased opinion.
Without specific and regular strength training, you will be just lean. Yes, you will be more muscular than for example vegans, naturally, but not like for example Shawn Baker, who competes for the world records in strength disciplines.The carnivore Inuits aren't as muscular as many of those promoting carnivore diet over popular channels and some Inuit women look overweight, probably from not getting as much exercise as the men. Even some of the men don't look lean
I smell hard sell of the carnivore diet when Inuits look like these when not all of the are lean and slim and NONE are muscular:
Without specific and regular strength training, you will be just lean. Yes, you will be more muscular than for example vegans, naturally, but not like for example Shawn Baker, who competes for the world records in strength disciplines.
I'm sorry but you need to go through the studies of that paper like I did. The paper is misleading when you look at the references that provided information for that paper. I quoted two of the references in my previous statement. Just like every camper you are not open to alternate views. For your information SFA= saturated fat.The paper was presented to support that there is no causality between saturated fats and CVDs. However, the paper goes even further and concludes that there is not even any association (which basically rejects any possible causality).
In addition, some of the fittest people in the world aren't especially muscular. Elite endurance athletes rarely have substantial levels of muscle mass. And alot of Vegans tend to be drawn to endurance type physical sports or activities, like trail running, cycling, or hiking. So you cannot judge how fit somebody is, by whether or not they are jacked.
Lately, BIA and other methods of calculating body fat just haven't been very reliable. Today my body fat analyzer said I was 23.6 percent body fat, even though my waist size hasn't changed. One possibility is fluctuations in glycogen, and my sodium intake may be lower and my potassium intake higher, than whatever the analyzer's calculations expect.
The Covert Bailey tape measure method also seems to be not up to the fine-grained tracking I want. I bought a Bluetooth device called Bello ("Belly" and "Hello", I guess) that uses infrared to measure visceral abdominal fat. It's cheaper than a DXA scan, and it's not effected by water or electrolytes. It should arrive tomorrow or the day after.
I did not say that vegans cannot be muscular. What I meant is that if somebody does not regularly focus on this specific muscle building, meat eaters will be more muscular than vegans, just naturally, by the logic of the protein intake.This idea that Vegans cannot be muscular is pure nonsense.
The photo you posted is not a natural muscle mass. Other/illegal substances are involved. A terrible example.Nimai Delgado is a Vegan. He was raised Vegetarian by Hindu parents, but became Vegan as an adult:
I think you misunderstood that the paper in question is a review. They examined the sources from which you quoted from their abstracts. But have you done the actual examination of their data like the authors of the review we talk about did, to make an assessment whether these studies support the thesis that saturated fats are significantly associated with CVD and whether their quality is high and whether they do not contradict other similar studies?I'm sorry but you need to go through the studies of that paper like I did. The paper is misleading when you look at the references that provided information for that paper. I quoted two of the references in my previous statement. Just like every camper you are not open to alternate views. For your information SFA= saturated fat.
Like I said before if you have to supplement your nutritional needs then the diet is not wholesome period! For both vegan and meat eaters it's common sense. Peace Out
I did not say that vegans cannot be muscular. What I meant is that if somebody does not regularly focus on this specific muscle building, meat eaters will be more muscular than vegans, just naturally, by the logic of the protein intake.
The photo you posted is not a natural muscle mass. Other/illegal substances are involved. A terrible example.
It's beginning to look like that exercise is a good equalizer against any potential negatives of any diets (excluding junky diets or the 'Standard American Diet')
There are some people who are athletes who actually end up with highly increased mortality. The average age of death of a pro bodybuilder, in one study, was 47 years. Looking at what most bodybuilders eat, and what they inject into their bodies, it's not hard to figure out why.
Mortality Rate Higher Among Bodybuilders - Renal and Urology News
Reasons are unclear, but use of testosterone and other performance enhance drugs could be a contributing factor.www.renalandurologynews.com
If I have to be specific, cardio/endurance exercise is a good equalizer against the potential side effect of any diet (excluding the 'Standard American Diet' ofc).
All-cause mortality is strongly linked to cardiovascular fitness and ironically pro body builders may only have average or even below average cardiovascular fitness.
My VO2max is still that of a marathon runner. Last year, I got it as high as a world class endurance athlete but I never competed. I think I'm too old for competitions and don't have anything to spare for competitions. I still haven't hit the ceiling yet. I'm still improving, maybe not in terms of VO2max but mainly in my sustained power output for long periods.
Weight lifting with any kind of effort does require a fair amount of cardiovascular endurance. Also, many bodybuilders that are serious are going to be doing some kind of cardio, especially during fat loss phases.
Activity only reduces cardiovascular disease risk somewhat. You can reduce risk of heart attacks through increased activity and exercise by about a quarter. That's not insignificant, but it also won't override other risk factors, such as diet or genetics.
You're in your early 40's? You could still run marathons and events like that.
Yes, but in the end, the VO2max of a body builder (BB) is still going to be low.
The training, nutrition, and goals of a BB is simply counter-productive to having high VO2max even if they have substantial amount of cardio in their training.
And BB's cannot do too much cardio because that would would be counterproductive to their goals - maximizing muscle hypertrophy. In order to get big as they are, BBs tend to be overweight and weight is an important factor to VO2max (heavier is worse). Another factor to VO2max is cardiovascular fitness which you gain through cardio exercises obviously but BBs can't do too much of cardio exercises and substantially less than endurance athletes do.
VO2max is the best singular indicator of all-cause mortality.