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Oh hogwash too!!!!Not according to is qualified by 'how' it was given. Not what was given, or who it was given to. Just how it is applied.
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Oh hogwash too!!!!Not according to is qualified by 'how' it was given. Not what was given, or who it was given to. Just how it is applied.
The COI broke a conditional covenant. "IF" you keep my covenant I will make you a kingdom of priest.Sure. The COI agreed to the covenant issued verbally prior to Moses coming back with the stone tablets. The COI broke the covenant while Moses was getting the stone tablets.
Are you SDA? You're certainly pushing their teaching.
It isn't perverse to not keep a covenant that has no jurisdiction.
OK you've already made that statement of unfounded personal opinion about obeying God's law. The problem as I see it is there is a New Covenant. That by itself means there used to be another covenant.
The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with God's character.
Have you read John 15:10? If so please identify the 2 sets of commandments Jesus talked about.
Who is God speaking to in Ex 20:6?
You know I'm with you on the not sinning part. Paul lists a group of sins in Gal 5 without once referring to them as violations of the law. Instead he calls them lusts of the flesh. In Romans 5 Paul says sin was before the law. In Gal 3Paul says the law came after Abraham which agrees with Moses' statement of Deut 5:3.
Please explain what you mean by quoting Phil 2:5.
Yes that's correct the covenant issued at Sinai is conditional on both parties performance. God kept His part of the covenant. Since the Israelites refused to keep the covenant it is them who rescinded the covenant, thus a replacement was needed. The replacement doesn't depend on our performance. The New covenant is a one way covenant requiring performance on the only One able to keep it. That One is God.The COI broke a conditional covenant. "IF" you keep my covenant I will make you a kingdom of priest.
Aaron and his sons were already priests, and the Levites were the only ones which did not sin, with the Golden calf and were joined to the priesthood. The law was added through the Levitical priesthood.
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Are you SDA? You're certainly pushing their teaching.
Is that Seventh Day Adventist Reformed? That is the closest I could come to SDR.No, I am not a SDA. I am SDR, though not an official member of the church yet.
This simply isn't true according to the prophets.All Ten Commandments remain in the New Covenant, and have remained, for it is the Law of God.
Do you have something from the Bible to back that up? I should love to see it. So far no one has.What is personal opinion? That the Law of God is a transcript of God's Holy Character?
You already said that. I see no need to repeat my answer. The above will suffice.And yes, the 10 Commandments have to do with God's character. The ten commandments, properly understood, are a transcript of God's character.
I see. Now where did you say Jesus says these are His commandments? Don't forget the context of the conversation Jesus was having.John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Romans 13:8-10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Where on earth do you get this? It isn't from the Bible? God is speaking to the COI only.God is speaking to all that will obey His commandments in Exodus 20:6. The commandments were not written only for the Jews, but were written for the stranger as well.
Who did it say can't work? Do you do business on the Sabbath? If you use electricity from a provider you do. Thus you don't keep the Sabbath and sin according to what you posted. This is willful sin. No matter how much you confess and repent, continuation proves no repentance and a love for selfish consuming sin that will bring death.Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Where does Paul even quote the law in Galatians 5? No where! In fact Paul says if your righteousness comes from the law you reject the righteousness of God and salvation. Jesus has become ineffective - v 4.You should look at Galatians 5 again. Those are violations of the law.
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Yes I see. You're trying to say since Jesus kept the law we're also to keep the law. But since Jesus didn't teach the law that can't be His mind.As for Philippians 2:5, I was trying to show that we are to have the mind of Christ, keeping the law in the newness of spirit.
Philippians 2:1-5 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, 2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. 3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. 4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
If one isn't subject to the law (covenant issued at Sinai) they can't violate it. We have a new covenant according to Jesus. Unless you can show there is more than one new covenant it isn't like the previous one (meaning contents not movement). Movement changes nothing.It is all about love. Love for God, and love for our neighbor. If you love God, you will keep His commandments. If we are found hating our brother in our heart, we are breaking commandment number 6. If we are committing any sexual sins, we are breaking commandment number 7. If we are breaking the commandments, then how can we say we love God and our neighbor? And yes, this includes the Sabbath. We worship the God of creation, who rested upon the 7th Day. The Sabbath was made for man, yet still it is a commandment. We are to keep the Seventh Day Holy.
I'd say you're a wee might out of focus. None of your Sunday sources sound like SDA. She does enough for me to ask.Just because he admits to the Bible fact that God's TEN Commandments are still valid?? That makes him SDA??
What about these "Sunday Sources"?? Are they all "SDA"???
I'd say you're a wee might out of focus. None of your Sunday sources sound like SDA.
Also hpw many of you SDA actually work, do traveling after church service? However of you do something while on the Sabbath?
If the first/old covenant was abolished according to Heb 8:13 and the Ten commandment law was that first covenant (Ex 34:27-28; 1 Kings 8:9,21; Heb 9:1-4), then why do Sabbatarians want to keep the first/old covenant?
Why is the universal record of history (75-500AD) 100% in unanimous agreement that Christians never kept the Sabbath (7th day) and have always worshipped on Sunday?
Why has no Sabbatarian every produced even one historical quote (75-500AD) that says Christians kept the Sabbath?
If the Sabbath is not a ceremonial law, then why is it lumped into the same identical class of "holy convocations" as the rest of the Jewish feast days? Lev 23:2; Ex 20:9; 31:17
If the 10 commandments remain but the book of law was abolished,
then why did God put two copies of the 10 commandments in the book of the law? Ex 20; Deut 5
How can there possibly be an difference between "the law of God" and the "Law of Moses" when God gave the Law of Moses (Ezra 7:6; Neh 8:1) and Moses gave the Law of God (Neh 10:29; 2 Chron 34:14)?
If there is a distinction between the moral and ceremonial laws, why are the Jewish feast days called part of the Law of the Lord? (2 Chron 331:3)
Again - since all scripture is given by God - why would you expect anything different?If there is a distinction between the moral and ceremonial laws, why in a single chapter of Nehemiah 8are the following phrases all used interchangeably: "book of the law of Moses" v1, "the law" v2, "book of the law" v3, "the law of god" v8, "book of the law of god" v18?
You are lumping everything in the book of Leviticus as ceremonial. Not only do Sabbatarians not do such a thing -- neither do the Sunday Sources listed at the end of this post.Why are the two most important commandments contained within the "ceremonial law of Moses that was Sabbatarians say was nailed to the cross? (Matthew 22:36-40)
Jesus talked about Daniel writing, and Isaiah and Jeremiah and Moses -- why is that surprising when we know that even though we have Bible writers - still God is the Author of all scripture.Why did Jesus say Moses gave the 10 commandment law: "Thou shalt not kill" in Jn 7:19?
[/quote]If the Sabbath cannot change, because God cannot change (Mal 3:6) then what about all the other feast days and laws that changed? Heb 7:12. And why did Jesus give a "a new commandment" in John 13:34?
Why is the weekly Sabbath commandment never quoted in the New Testament?
Why is the Sabbath the only one of the ten commandments that are said to be "throughout your generations",
the usual phrase that indicates it was a temporary ceremonial law only for the Jews?
Why is there no example of exclusively Christians coming together on the Sabbath day as a church or prayer meeting after the resurrection of Christ?
Why is there no command in the New Testament for Christians to keep the Sabbath holy?
The ten commandts are Mosaic Law
, also the law was for the Jews. The law of grace replaced the old one.
Also if you want to keep the sabbath why aren't you keeping all the other law. The 10 commandts are not just only law. 618 laws have to be kept.