What would the country be like if Biden won ?

The Barbarian said:

The problem is, as Trump's own people, including Trump's own AG and his own daughter, told him that there was no evidence of election fraud. In fact, most of the few cases of illegal voting turned out to be dead people who voted for Trump. Would you like me to show you that?

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Are you serious? There has been election fraud for years only in varying degrees. Anyone who says there was no fraud in the 2020 election is not living in reality. Why was Hilary so shocked she lost to Trump in 2016 ? Coud it be that they cheated but just not enough? This no fraud in the 2020 election mantra is nonsense propaganda. There has probably been some degree of cheating in every election since this country was founded. Seems I remember a time when Democrats were voicing concerns about cheating in elections. Shall we search for those videos?

Postvieww said:

Why would that be more amazing than turning a blind eye to obvious dementia,

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Do a search on "Gettysburg, wow." That's what dementia looks like.

Postvieww said:

corruption

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One way to measure is "how many indictments?"

Breaking down the 88 charges Trump faces in his four indictments​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/trump-charges-jan-6-classified-documents/

He's 0 for 3 trying to dodge charges of fraud and slander. And he's 1 for (huge number) on trying to overturn the election.

Postvieww said:

legal scandal

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Count the number of charges. Sexual assualt, fraud, etc. The republicans have been looking for three years for any crime Joe Biden committed. How's that going?

Postvieww said:

showers with his daughter

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Donald Trump's unsettling record of comments about his daughter Ivanka​

'If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her'

All Donald Trump's creepiest comments about his daughter Ivanka

'If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her'

www.independent.co.uk

Postvieww said:

child sniffing

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It’s Revolting to Watch Donald Trump Try to Kiss a Little Girl as She Squirms Away​

Donald Trump Tries to Kiss a Little Girl as She Squirms Away, and It’s Revolting to Watch

Amid accusations of sexual assault, the candidate forced a child into physical intimacy.

slate.com

Postvieww said:

sexual harassment

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Jury finds Donald Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation in E. Jean Carroll case​

Jury finds Donald Trump sexually abused E. Jean Carroll in civil case

A Manhattan federal jury found that Donald Trump sexually abused E. Jean Carroll in a luxury department store dressing room in the spring of 1996 and awarded her $5 million for battery and defamation.

www.cnn.com

Postvieww said:

and on and on

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Here’s why caddies nicknamed Donald Trump ‘Pele’ on the golf course​

Here's why caddies nicknamed Donald Trump 'Pele' on the golf course

Caddies at Winged Foot Golf Club in New York nicknamed President Donald Trump as Pele for how he plays golf, and it's not a compliment

thegolfnewsnet.com

The Barbarian said:

Normally, we consider citing research articles from medical journals to be "evidence." Would you like to see some more?

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We were also told Fauci was a "trusted source" but found that not to be true.

Postvieww said:

Are you serious? There has been election fraud for years only in varying degrees. Anyone who says there was no fraud in the 2020 election is not living in reality.

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There was some fraud. And not surprisingly, almost all of it was by Trump supporters. Would you like me to show you? The problem for Trump was that it wasn't even close to enough to swing the election to him.

Trump’s own research showed that voter fraud did not cost him election – report​

Report commissioned by Trump campaign debunked former president’s claims that ballots came from dead voters

Trump’s own research showed that voter fraud did not cost him election – report

Report commissioned by Trump campaign debunked former president’s claims that ballots came from dead voters

www.theguardian.com

In October, a Luzerne County man — a registered Republican — was charged with felonies after trying to apply for a mail-in ballot in his dead mother’s name.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/thin-allegations-of-dead-people-voting/

The Barbarian said:

Do a search on "Gettysburg, wow." That's what dementia looks like.

One way to measure is "how many indictments?"

Breaking down the 88 charges Trump faces in his four indictments​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/trump-charges-jan-6-classified-documents/

He's 0 for 3 trying to dodge charges of fraud and slander. And he's 1 for (huge number) on trying to overturn the election.


Count the number of charges. Sexual assualt, fraud, etc. The republicans have been looking for three years for any crime Joe Biden committed. How's that going?

Donald Trump's unsettling record of comments about his daughter Ivanka​

'If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her'​

All Donald Trump's creepiest comments about his daughter Ivanka

'If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her'

www.independent.co.uk

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It’s Revolting to Watch Donald Trump Try to Kiss a Little Girl as She Squirms Away​

Donald Trump Tries to Kiss a Little Girl as She Squirms Away, and It’s Revolting to Watch

Amid accusations of sexual assault, the candidate forced a child into physical intimacy.

slate.com

Jury finds Donald Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation in E. Jean Carroll case​

Jury finds Donald Trump sexually abused E. Jean Carroll in civil case

A Manhattan federal jury found that Donald Trump sexually abused E. Jean Carroll in a luxury department store dressing room in the spring of 1996 and awarded her $5 million for battery and defamation.

www.cnn.com

Here’s why caddies nicknamed Donald Trump ‘Pele’ on the golf course​

Here's why caddies nicknamed Donald Trump 'Pele' on the golf course

Caddies at Winged Foot Golf Club in New York nicknamed President Donald Trump as Pele for how he plays golf, and it's not a compliment

thegolfnewsnet.com

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Typical response! Divert to Trump and never address the Biden issues. The showers were exposed by Biden's own daughter. How can one really compare the dating comment by Trump to actually getting naked with your own daughter. It appears Trump said if she were not my daughter and Biden actually ignored the fact it was his own daughter. Do I need to expalain the difference for you?

As far as charges against Biden, there will be no charges as long as this corrupt Biden protecting NO justice department is in control.

Here is an interesting theory I heard for you to consider. Biden steps
down from the race before the convention, Newsom is crowned. Biden steps down as president just before the new president is installed either Trump or who ever making Harris Queen for a day . Harris pardons Biden and Hunter and history shows the first woman president.
Sound about right. Get back with me later and we will see how this plays out.

Normally, we consider citing research articles from medical journals to be "evidence." Would you like to see some more?

Postvieww said:

We were also told Fauci was a "trusted source" but found that not to be true.

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Well, that's a testable belief. Let's take a look...

Correcting Misinformation About Dr. Fauci​

In a February 2020 NBC interview, over a week before COVID-19 was declared a pandemic, Fauci said that “right now at this moment” the risk to the public was “low” and there was “no need” for people “to change anything that you’re doing on a day-by-day basis.” However, he added that “this could change,” that people needed to be wary of “community spread,” and that the coronavirus could develop into a “major outbreak.”

Trump wrongly claimed that month that Fauci was saying, “This is no problem. This is going to blow over.”

She claimed that he “lied” about the rate or ratio of people with confirmed cases of COVID-19 who had died, which we did not find to be the case.

She said “Fauci said lockdowns work,” which she then said was “obviously false” and based on “zero scientific evidence.” But experts we consulted said that there was research showing that travel restrictions and stay-at-home orders were effective in slowing the spread of COVID-19.


Wheeler also stated that Fauci “admitted he lied to us” when he initially said early in March 2020 that widespread use of face masks was not necessary. She said Fauci only said that to “manipulate us into not buying masks so that there wouldn’t be a shortage for health care workers.”


At the time, Fauci said he was “not against” anyone wearing a mask if they wanted to, but he warned that if everyone wore them it “could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it,” particularly health care providers and people who were ill.

But Republican Pennsylvania Senate candidate Dr. Mehmet Oz, who has criticized Fauci’s pandemic guidance and previously called for him to resign, falsely claimed that “Fauci’s never taken care of patients,”

Fauci has always been seeing patients.

Fauci emphasized the importance of conducting clinical trials to determine vaccine safety before distribution. He cited examples of vaccine candidates for other viruses, such as HIV and respiratory syncytial virus, that were found to be harmful during the evaluation process.

“This would not be the first time, if it happened, that a vaccine that looked good in initial safety actually made people worse,” Fauci said of the COVID-19 vaccines, which were still being tested at the time. Ultimately, in clinical trials and real-world conditions, the COVID-19 vaccines available in the U.S. were found to be safe and effective.

Fauci did not admit that “Covid Vaccines May Actually Make People ‘Worse,'” as a viral headline published in December 2021 misleadingly claimed.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/correcting-misinformation-about-dr-fauci/

He said the vaccine was found to be “very good” at protecting individuals “against clinically recognizable disease.” However, he said it was uncertain “at this point, that the vaccine protects you against getting infected.”

A popular video distorted Fauci’s remarks to falsely suggest that he said the vaccine doesn’t “protect you from covid.”

There's a lot more there. Go take a look and don't be so gullible next time.

Postvieww said:

Typical response!

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Translation: " The Evil Barbarian is resorting to facts, again!" It's all true. Go check for yourself. Trump's worsening cognitive decline, his history of sexual abuse against females, and all the rest is well-documented.

Postvieww said:

Divert to Trump and never address the Biden issues.

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You believed all sorts of unproven allegations against Biden, but you get angered when facts about Donald Trump come up. My Mom used to say "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Learn from this.

Simon_Templar said:

Personally, I think it matters who you vote for, and I consider this statement to be about the same as saying

"here's a gun, it doesn't matter where you point it, just go pull the trigger."

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The new NRA slogan?

The Barbarian said:

Normally, we consider citing research articles from medical journals to be "evidence." Would you like to see some more?


Well, that's a testable belief. Let's take a look...

Correcting Misinformation About Dr. Fauci​

In a February 2020 NBC interview, over a week before COVID-19 was declared a pandemic, Fauci said that “right now at this moment” the risk to the public was “low” and there was “no need” for people “to change anything that you’re doing on a day-by-day basis.” However, he added that “this could change,” that people needed to be wary of “community spread,” and that the coronavirus could develop into a “major outbreak.”

Trump wrongly claimed that month that Fauci was saying, “This is no problem. This is going to blow over.”

She claimed that he “lied” about the rate or ratio of people with confirmed cases of COVID-19 who had died, which we did not find to be the case.

She said “Fauci said lockdowns work,” which she then said was “obviously false” and based on “zero scientific evidence.” But experts we consulted said that there was research showing that travel restrictions and stay-at-home orders were effective in slowing the spread of COVID-19.


Wheeler also stated that Fauci “admitted he lied to us” when he initially said early in March 2020 that widespread use of face masks was not necessary. She said Fauci only said that to “manipulate us into not buying masks so that there wouldn’t be a shortage for health care workers.”


At the time, Fauci said he was “not against” anyone wearing a mask if they wanted to, but he warned that if everyone wore them it “could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it,” particularly health care providers and people who were ill.

But Republican Pennsylvania Senate candidate Dr. Mehmet Oz, who has criticized Fauci’s pandemic guidance and previously called for him to resign, falsely claimed that “Fauci’s never taken care of patients,”

Fauci has always been seeing patients.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/01/dr-fauci-still-treats-patients-contrary-to-dr-ozs-claim/

Fauci emphasized the importance of conducting clinical trials to determine vaccine safety before distribution. He cited examples of vaccine candidates for other viruses, such as HIV and respiratory syncytial virus, that were found to be harmful during the evaluation process.

“This would not be the first time, if it happened, that a vaccine that looked good in initial safety actually made people worse,” Fauci said of the COVID-19 vaccines, which were still being tested at the time. Ultimately, in clinical trials and real-world conditions, the COVID-19 vaccines available in the U.S. were found to be safe and effective.

Fauci did not admit that “Covid Vaccines May Actually Make People ‘Worse,'” as a viral headline published in December 2021 misleadingly claimed.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/correcting-misinformation-about-dr-fauci/

He said the vaccine was found to be “very good” at protecting individuals “against clinically recognizable disease.” However, he said it was uncertain “at this point, that the vaccine protects you against getting infected.”

A popular video distorted Fauci’s remarks to falsely suggest that he said the vaccine doesn’t “protect you from covid.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/correcting-misinformation-about-dr-fauci/

There's a lot more there. Go take a look and don't be so gullible next time.

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Postvieww said:

The problem here is that you ignore the charges against Biden!

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So far, you've presented no evidence. Show us some facts for Biden being the kind of sexual predator pervert that Trump has been documented to be.

Not "someone said", not photoshopped fakes; show us some facts.

Postvieww said:

If you cannot see the difference in the way this corrupt NO justice system treats each man

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I notice that the republicans in the House have spent over three years trying to find any kind of crime Joe Biden committed, and have so far come up empty. On the other hand, grand juries have repeatedly found crimes that Trump has committed.

I get that Trump has repeatedly dodged consequences in the past. But now it's catching up with him. He whines constantly that he's being held to the same standards as everyone else. Too bad.

Postvieww said:

MSN

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That excuse won't fly. You think Fox News is "MSM?" C'mon.

Both sides are corrupt and will lie and cheat to assume power but the truth is both work for the same financial backers so who ultimately wins? Definitely not the people. The people are to blame for not realizing this isn't a team sport where they take sides. People is dumb and the elites know it.

timothyu said:

but the truth is both work for the same financial backers

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I don't think the Koch brothers and Warren Buffet would agree with you on that.

timothyu said:

People is dumb

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Probably, they are less dumb than often assumed. I'm thinking that a lot of republicans are trolling pollsters when asked if Biden stole the 2020 election.

The Barbarian said:

Probably, they are less dumb than often assumed.

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Then why do they assume elections mean anything for them. Breadcrumb here, breadcrumb there, while al the real action lies among the elites

timothyu said:

Then why do they assume elections mean anything for them.

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Probably because elections make a huge difference. If Trump had lost in 2016 or won in 2020 America would be in a very different place today.

timothyu said:

Breadcrumb here, breadcrumb there, while al the real action lies among the elites

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Not so much. Elections change things.

Only for the elites, and usually at a loss for the masses

timothyu said:

Only for the elites, and usually at a loss for the masses

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No. For example, if we had a president who would have quickly responded to the pandemic, several hundred thousand lives would have been saved.

Elections have consequences.

The Barbarian said:

So far, you've presented no evidence. Show us some facts for Biden being the kind of sexual predator pervert that Trump has been documented to be.

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I am not sure you understand what "evidence" is. There are mounds of evidence, but unfortunately no legal entity is willing to look at anything about Biden.

Everything you write is evidence about something, but it does not always point to the proper conclusion.

This "no evidence" talking point of the left has been worn out and is nothing short of gas lighting the public.

The Barbarian said:

Not "someone said", not photoshopped fakes; show us some facts.

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So your claim is Ashely Biden's diary has been photo shopped? Is that correct? If so where is your evidence? She was recorded saying the diary was hers. Copies in her hand writing have been released to the public.

You realize the same type of lame claim was made about Hunter's laptop but it has been shown over and over to real.