The Rapture theory is true?

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You need to reread Matthew 24 as well as Paul's teachings in both of the Thessalonians. Paul says our gathering back to him will "not happen" until the son of perdition sits on the throne proclaiming to be God. Christ and him both give very strict warnings to not be deceived on this very subject

True, yeah, 100% true.
  • 1 John 5:v.7 - There are three that bear record in heaven (heaven? Ephesian s 1:v.3), the Father, the Word-the Word made flesh-JESUS, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.
The Holy Spirit has pointed this is the last decade of this current world of Devil.

~~~~~~~THE LAST DECADE - COUNTDOWN~~~~~~~

02-09-2021 is the FORTIETH DAY of the LAST DECADE of the world of Devil.

The LAST WEEK - Daniel 9;v.27 - is within of this LAST DECADE.

Be careful and get ready

Luke 13:v.24-25


24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

25 When once the Master of the house is risen up -the Holy Spirit-, and hath shut to the door, ...
 
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You need to reread Matthew 24 as well as Paul's teachings in both of the Thessalonians. Paul says our gathering back to him will "not happen" until the son of perdition sits on the throne proclaiming to be God. Christ and him both give very strict warnings to not be deceived on this very subject. The Thessalonians were confused by his first letter so he writes a second one and nails down what "must" happen.

And remember these were letters, not books with chapters, the subject never changes from 1st Thessalonians chapter 4 into 5 where he calls the event of chapter 4 -The day of the Lord.
Some people THINK that is what Paul said. It is not really what he said. What he said was, a departing had to come first, and THEN the man of sin would be revealed. And anyone seeing these two events would then know that the DAY had started and they were in the Day of the Lord - that dark day where God would destroy the world and the sinners in the world.

So what did Paul mean by the departing? (Apostasia) First, he meant the power restraining the man of sin being revealed before his time - the power being taken out of the way. But considering Paul's theme, his second meaning is the gathering of the church - the church departing this world - being caught up.
 
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So what did Paul mean by the departing? (Apostasia) First, he meant the power restraining the man of sin being revealed before his time - the power being taken out of the way. But considering Paul's theme, his second meaning is the gathering of the church - the church departing this world - being caught up.

The man of sin will manifest himself soon, it may be a few months, or a year from now, or a year and a few months. What Paul Apostle said by the Holy Spirit will fulfill LITERALLY. The Word is God.

Even GOD shall send them strong delusion - He will send the man of sin, the son of perdition - a former Cherub-, that they -the multitude of followers of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism- should believe a lie, believe in the Wicked, THE BEAST OF THE EARTH-Revelation 13:v.11-18 - a false God, a false messiah as said JESUS- John 5:v.43-47 -
"Who will opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God".
Even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.-Revelation 13:v.11-14 combined with 2 Th.2:v.9

What prevails is the Word of God. "There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word
-the Word made flesh - JESUS -, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.


Be careful or get ready. What prevails is the Word of God.
 
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The man of sin will manifest himself soon, it may be a few months, or a year from now, or a year and a few months. What Paul Apostle said by the Holy Spirit will fulfill LITERALLY. The Word is God.

Even GOD shall send them strong delusion - He will send the man of sin, the son of perdition - a former Cherub-, that they -the multitude of followers of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism- should believe a lie, believe in the Wicked, THE BEAST OF THE EARTH-Revelation 13:v.11-18 - a false God, a false messiah as said JESUS- John 5:v.43-47 -
"Who will opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God".
Even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.-Revelation 13:v.11-14 combined with 2 Th.2:v.9

What prevails is the Word of God. "There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word
-the Word made flesh - JESUS -, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.


Be careful or get ready. What prevails is the Word of God.
Sorry, mistaken as usual. There is a POWER restraining the man of sin, preventing him from being revealed before his time. Therefore, before he can possibly be revealed, that power restraining him MUST BE "taken out of the way." That is God's word through Paul.

People come up with all kinds of theories as to what it is or who it is doing this restraining, but if we just look at Paul's theme for this passage, there can be no doubt: it is the Holy Spirit working through the church that is the restraining power. Therefore, when the catching up occurs, the "departing," (apostasia) then the power restraining will have been "taken out of the way" and THEN the man of sin will be revealed (but the church will not be here to see it).
 
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Some people THINK that is what Paul said. It is not really what he said

This is what Paul stated.

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Just because you and others want to believe "falling away" means departing from this earth doesn't make it so. The 646 Greek word apostasia- means defection from truth, falling away, forsake. If you want to add departing to that, it would still mean departing from the truth.

Paul later teaches about not receiving the love of this very truth.

II Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth,"

II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie;

II Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

There's a fake christ that eventually will be on the horizon. He comes before Christ. If you don't want to accept the truth of that you are in danger of "falling away" to the fake one. The warnings Christ and Paul are very serious. "Falling away" means defection from the truth. These are Christian people because they obviously once had the truth but will fall away from that. Unsaved people having nothing to fall away from.

There is a POWER restraining the man of sin, preventing him from being revealed before his time. Therefore, before he can possibly be revealed, that power restraining him MUST BE "taken out of the way.

This has nothing to do with the holy spirt. The holy spirit will always be here until Christ returns. Some will even be delivered up as Christ taught and it will be the Holy Spirit that speaks through them.

The only thing stopping Satan is the battle at the appointed time with Michael and his angels.

Paul teaches us that we have to have the full armour on to battle Satan and to be able to stand in that evil "day" He does not teach us that we will be flying away. Quite the opposite and this goes hand in hand with Christ's teaching that those that endure to the end, the same shall be saved.



 
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This is what Paul stated.

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Just because you and others want to believe "falling away" means departing from this earth doesn't make it so. The 646 Greek word apostasia- means defection from truth, falling away, forsake. If you want to add departing to that, it would still mean departing from the truth.

Paul later teaches about not receiving the love of this very truth.

II Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth,"

II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie;

II Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

There's a fake christ that eventually will be on the horizon. He comes before Christ. If you don't want to accept the truth of that you are in danger of "falling away" to the fake one. The warnings Christ and Paul are very serious. "Falling away" means defection from the truth. These are Christian people because they obviously once had the truth but will fall away from that. Unsaved people having nothing to fall away from.



This has nothing to do with the holy spirt. The holy spirit will always be here until Christ returns. Some will even be delivered up as Christ taught and it will be the Holy Spirit that speaks through them.

The only thing stopping Satan is the battle at the appointed time with Michael and his angels.

Paul teaches us that we have to have the full armour on to battle Satan and to be able to stand in that evil "day" He does not teach us that we will be flying away. Quite the opposite and this goes hand in hand with Christ's teaching that those that endure to the end, the same shall be saved.
Just because the KJV translated apostasia as a "falling away" doesn't make it so. It is a very poor translation. Now, let's compare your theory with what Paul wrote.

Question: in verse 3b, is the man of sin revealed or not? (KJV says "be revealed." Many other translations say "is revealed.)

I will wait to see how you answer this question.
 
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Sorry, mistaken as usual. There is a POWER restraining the man of sin, preventing him from being revealed before his time. Therefore, before he can possibly be revealed, that power restraining him MUST BE "taken out of the way." That is God's word through Paul.

I counsel you to buy and anoint your eyes with eyesalve, that you may see. If I said that he will manifest himself soon (future), it may be a few months, or a year from now, or a year and a few months, so I AM SAYING CLEARLY THAT HE WILL NOT BE REVEALED BEFORE HIS TIME, no? GOD will send them -to the esoterical, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Jewish people followers of Judaism - the man of sin.
And what Paul Apostle said BY THE HOLY SPIRIT will fulfill LITERALLY, the Word is God, and what prevails is the Word of God, understand?

Even GOD shall send them strong delusion - He will send the man of sin, the son of perdition - a former Cherub-, that they -the multitude of followers of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism- should believe a lie, believe in the Wicked, THE BEAST OF THE EARTH-Revelation 13:v.11-18 - a false God, a false messiah as said JESUS- John 5:v.43-47 -
"Who will opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God".
Even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.-Revelation 13:v.11-14 combined with 2 Th.2:v.9


What prevails is the Word of God. "There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word -the Word made flesh - JESUS -, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.
 
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This is what Paul stated.

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Just because you and others want to believe "falling away" means departing from this earth doesn't make it so. The 646 Greek word apostasia- means defection from truth, falling away, forsake. If you want to add departing to that, it would still mean departing from the truth.

Paul later teaches about not receiving the love of this very truth.

II Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth,"

II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie;

II Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

There's a fake christ that eventually will be on the horizon. He comes before Christ. If you don't want to accept the truth of that you are in danger of "falling away" to the fake one. The warnings Christ and Paul are very serious. "Falling away" means defection from the truth. These are Christian people because they obviously once had the truth but will fall away from that. Unsaved people having nothing to fall away from.



This has nothing to do with the holy spirt. The holy spirit will always be here until Christ returns. Some will even be delivered up as Christ taught and it will be the Holy Spirit that speaks through them.

The only thing stopping Satan is the battle at the appointed time with Michael and his angels.

Paul teaches us that we have to have the full armour on to battle Satan and to be able to stand in that evil "day" He does not teach us that we will be flying away. Quite the opposite and this goes hand in hand with Christ's teaching that those that endure to the end, the same shall be saved.


This is what Paul stated. No, you wrote what the KJV translated.

This is much closer:
II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for ... except there come a apostasia first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

I think we can agree on everything but the Greek word, apostasia. That is where our disagreement comes.

Here is how several of the first translations into English put it:

1534 Tyndale N.T.
Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion

1535 Coverdale Bible
Let no man disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that Man of Synne be opened, even the sonne of perdicion.

1539 Cranmer Great Bible
Let no man deceaue you by any meanes, for the Lorde shall not come excepte there come a departinge fyrst, & that that synfull man be opened, the sonne of perdicion.

1549 Matthew's Bible
Let no man deceyue you by any meanes, for the Lord commeth not, except there come a departyng first, and that, that sinful man be opened, the sonne of perdicyon

1565 Beza Bible
Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for [that day shall not come,] except there come a departing first, and that man of sinne be disclosed, [euen] the son of perdition.

1575 Geneva Bible
Let no man deceiue you by any meanes for that day shal not come, except there come a departing first, and that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition.

The 646 Greek word apostasia- means defection from truth Sorry, but you only THINK this is truth; it is not. There is nothing in the Greek word to give any hint as to what is being departed from what? All we can know is that there is a departing.

Apostasia is a compound word: Apo and Stasia

The question is, what do each of these Greek words mean in English?

Here is what STrong's says about "apo:

"of separation
...oflocal separation,
....after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing,...

of separation of a part from the whole
...where of a whole some part is taken

of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed

of a state of separation, that is of distance
...physical, of distance of place

At the rapture, will some part of the entire population be taken? You know the answer is YES.

Will those taken be separated by DISTANCE? Again the answer is YES.

The other part of the compound word 'stasia" is where we get "stationary" or "not moving" from.

Putting these two words together then can certainly mean a part of a whole group suddenly moved from where they were to a new location, and it happen so fast, the rest of the whole group seems stationary - not moving.

However, to get the whole picture, we must consider the entire passage, and not just pull a word or a verse out of its context.

First, Paul's THEME: the coming and gathering. Therefore, somewhere in this passage we must find the gathering.

In vese 6 Paul said, "and now you know what is restraining....
So the correct theory must cause people to KNOW who or what the restrainer is.

Question: in your theory, DO YOU KNOW who is the restrainer? Or do you just guess?

In verses 6-8 Paul makes it very sure that the man of sin is being restrained, under restraint - some power is holding him back and preventing him from being revealed before the right time. ONLY GOD knows the right time, so right off we might suspect it is GOD who is restraining.

Next, Paul teaches us that at the right time, the power restraining or holding back the man of sin will be "taken out of the way." That means, the restraining power is no longer present on earth to restrain, so the man of sin will soon after be revealed as the man of sin.

Any other theory will be pulling words or verses out of their context.
Now I await your answer as to is the man of sin revealed in 3b.
 
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I counsel you to buy and anoint your eyes with eyesalve, that you may see. If I said that he will manifest himself soon (future), it may be a few months, or a year from now, or a year and a few months, so I AM SAYING CLEARLY THAT HE WILL NOT BE REVEALED BEFORE HIS TIME, no? GOD will send them -to the esoterical, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Jewish people followers of Judaism - the man of sin.
And what Paul Apostle said BY THE HOLY SPIRIT will fulfill LITERALLY, the Word is God, and what prevails is the Word of God, understand?

Even GOD shall send them strong delusion - He will send the man of sin, the son of perdition - a former Cherub-, that they -the multitude of followers of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism- should believe a lie, believe in the Wicked, THE BEAST OF THE EARTH-Revelation 13:v.11-18 - a false God, a false messiah as said JESUS- John 5:v.43-47 -
"Who will opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God".
Even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.-Revelation 13:v.11-14 combined with 2 Th.2:v.9


What prevails is the Word of God. "There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word -the Word made flesh - JESUS -, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.
You can counsel all you want, but until the power that is now restraining the revealing of the man of sin, preventing him from being revealed before his time is removed - taken out of the way, he is not going to be revealed.

I challenge you to discover WHO is restraining and WHO will be "taken out of the way."
 
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So what did Paul mean by the departing? (Apostasia) First, he meant the power restraining the man of sin being revealed before his time - the power being taken out of the way. But considering Paul's theme, his second meaning is the gathering of the church - the church departing this world - being caught up.

Now, now, what you have posted is apostasy.

The true God's people is well warned by the Word of God.

1 Tim.4:v.1-2 -
1 - The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron

1 Ti. 4:v.1-CJB - The Spirit expressly states that in the acharit-hayamim some people will apostatize from the faith by paying attention to deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 
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You can counsel all you want, but until the power that is now restraining the revealing of the man of sin, preventing him from being revealed before his time is removed - taken out of the way, he is not going to be revealed.

I challenge you to discover WHO is restraining and WHO will be "taken out of the way."

The WORD is GOD. Yeah, the WORD is GOD. Nothing random happens, only and only what the WORD of GOD says will happen.

All things are under the control of the Word - the Word is God.
 
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Now, now, what you have posted is apostasy.

The true God's people is well warned by the Word of God.

1 Tim.4:v.1-2 -
1 - The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron

1 Ti. 4:v.1-CJB - The Spirit expressly states that in the acharit-hayamim some people will apostatize from the faith by paying attention to deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
First, 1 Timothy is TRUTH. No one has said otherwise.

However, some people IMAGINE (a thought with no proof behind it) that Paul was talking about 1 Tim. 4:1-2 hidden in his use of the Greek word "apostasia."

The problem is, apostasia only means a departing: from what is not given. But when we consider the context of Paul's apostasia, we discover that it MUST BE (if words mean anything, cannot be anything else) than the power restraining being taken out of the way: because a few words after "apostasia" the man of sin IS REVEALED.

HOW does he get revealed? According to Paul, ONLY when the power restraining him is taken out of the way. Therefore logic demands that we substitute:

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come an apostasia [the restrainer being taken out of the way] first, and that man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition;

Now we can easily see that the departing is a departing of the restrainer so that the man of sin IS revealed.

In truth then, this verse has nothing to do with the verse in Timothy. Sure, some fall away, but more come to replace them, so the church GROWS.
 
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The WORD is GOD. Yeah, the WORD is GOD. Nothing random happens, only and only what the WORD of GOD says will happen.

All things are under the control of the Word - the Word is God.
Yes, we all know that in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD WAS GOD. What does this have to do with 2 Thes. 2? We know that what Paul wrote was inspired by THE WORD (God).
 
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First, 1 Timothy is TRUTH. No one has said otherwise.

However, some people IMAGINE (a thought with no proof behind it) that Paul was talking about 1 Tim. 4:1-2 hidden in his use of the Greek word "apostasia."

The problem is, apostasia only means a departing: from what is not given. But when we consider the context of Paul's apostasia, we discover that it MUST BE (if words mean anything, cannot be anything else) than the power restraining being taken out of the way: because a few words after "apostasia" the man of sin IS REVEALED.

HOW does he get revealed? According to Paul, ONLY when the power restraining him is taken out of the way. Therefore logic demands that we substitute:

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come an apostasia [the restrainer being taken out of the way] first, and that man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition;

Now we can easily see that the departing is a departing of the restrainer so that the man of sin IS revealed.

In truth then, this verse has nothing to do with the verse in Timothy. Sure, some fall away, but more come to replace them, so the church GROWS.

The Word of God says: Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. You are preaching your own apostasies here. Actually, according your spirit, the Church only GROWS in apostates, and the people fall away of the faith, evidently, for faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God, not by devilish and liar comments.

As you have no argument against Truth said by Paul to Timothy, then you craftily go out by a tangent and say that there is "people that IMAGINE" what you IMAGINE that they IMAGINE. Who is hidden is not the Greek word, but the old Serpent, called Satan and Devil.

I see: your logic demands to substitute the Truth, for the Lie. As it is revealed in the Word of God: "the serpent is more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made".
 
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Yes, we all know that in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD WAS GOD. What does this have to do with 2 Thes. 2? We know that what Paul wrote was inspired by THE WORD (God).

The Word of God says:
"In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD WAS GOD". It means: In JESUS was the WORD and the WORD WAS GOD. In fact, JESUS is the EXPRESS IMAGE of the Person of GOD - the Word -, and upholding all things by the word of His Power.

The Word of God says:
As it is written in the entire chapter of 2 Thes. 2:v.1 to 17

And you ask: "What does the Word of God has to do with the Word of God"?

The WORD is GOD. Yeah, the WORD is GOD. Nothing random happens, only and only what the WORD of GOD says will happen. All things are under the control of the Word - the Word is God.

The Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him to whom we must render an account. Hebrews 4:v.12 -
 
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The Word of God says: Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. You are preaching your own apostasies here. Actually, according your spirit, the Church only GROWS in apostates, and the people fall away of the faith, evidently, for faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God, not by devilish and liar comments.

As you have no argument against Truth said by Paul to Timothy, then you craftily go out by a tangent and say that there is "people that IMAGINE" what you IMAGINE that they IMAGINE. Who is hidden is not the Greek word, but the old Serpent, called Satan and Devil.

I see: your logic demands to substitute the Truth, for the Lie. As it is revealed in the Word of God: "the serpent is more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made".
In truth, believers can study the scriptures and mediate them to discover the Author's intent and it has nothing at all to do with believing "every spirit." We are talking about believing the written word of God.
I am only speaking what Paul wrote. I did not write "be (is) revealed in 3b: PAUL wrote that.
I did not write verses 6 through 8 that explain in simple language the simplicity of a restraining power that prevents the man of sin from being revealed before his time - PAUL wrote that.

Do you have trouble understanding verses 6 thought 8? Let's go over them:
6 And you know what currently restrains him, so that he will be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way, 8 and then the lawless one will be revealed. The Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and will bring him to nothing with the brightness of His coming.

verse 6: "and now you know who currently is restraining..." Why would Paul write that? It is simple: He just TOLD the reader, but did it in away one must study to get it. Do you KNOW who the restrainer is - or do you only guess?

"In his time..." the very purpose of restraining is to prevent the man of sin from being revealed BEFORE "his time." He is being held back.

"the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way" This restraining power will be removed: "taken out of the way."

then the lawless one will be revealed He can ONLY be revealed until the one restraining is gone - no longer restraining.

Paul has made it very clear that the man of sin cannot be revealed UNTIL the power restraining him is "gone from the midst" or is taken out of the way. Therefore, your false theory that it could happen soon is just that: false. As Paul said, something must come FIRST. The restrainer must be gone FIRST - and then he can be revealed.

In other words, this restraining power most certainly has the power to PREVENT the man of sin from entering the temple and revealing who he really is UNTIL the restraining power is gone FIRST.

...For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed...

What comes first in verses 6-8? It is the restraining power taken out of the way. We could say it this way: ...For that day will not come unless [the departing: the restrainer is taken out of the way] first and the man of lawlessness is revealed...

Now what could happen to fulfill this significant event? It is Paul's theme: the gathering. At the gathering, is something "taken out of the way?" You know it is.

The question is, can the Greek word "apostasia" fit the gathering? Yes! Refer to Strong's:
Apo: the first part of apostasia

"of separation
...oflocal separation,

after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing,...

of separation of a part from the whole
...where of a whole some part is taken (Emphasis added)


of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed

of a state of separation, that is of distance
...physical, of distance of place


Ask yourself: at the rapture, will there be separation of a part [of a group] from the whole [group]? I think we can trust Strong's.

Since what Paul meant by apostasia has to be the restrainer taken out of the way, and then the man of sin will be revealed, we can see that it is the CHURCH that is taken out of the way. Thereby Paul's theme is satisfied.

I see: your logic demands to substitute the Truth, for the Lie This is a cop out. I substituted the substance of verses 6-8 (how the man of sin will get revealed) into verse 3.

Instead of degrading me, suppose instead you tell us how the man of sin is revealed in 3b? If it is not as Paul tells us in verses 6-8, then you explain how?

I think you can't.


 
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No, I am not mistake, I never believed in you, and in your devilish and liars comments.
You are quick to speak bad of a brother. That is not love as per 1 Cor. 13. I wonder why? Can you not rightly exegete a scriptural passage - so you replace exegesis with derogatory comments?
 
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The Word of God says:
"In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD WAS GOD". It means: In JESUS was the WORD and the WORD WAS GOD. In fact, JESUS is the EXPRESS IMAGE of the Person of GOD - the Word -, and upholding all things by the word of His Power.

The Word of God says:
As it is written in the entire chapter of 2 Thes. 2:v.1 to 17

And you ask: "What does the Word of God has to do with the Word of God"?

The WORD is GOD. Yeah, the WORD is GOD. Nothing random happens, only and only what the WORD of GOD says will happen. All things are under the control of the Word - the Word is God.

The Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him to whom we must render an account. Hebrews 4:v.12 -
I understand: you are incapable of good exegesis, so you resort to name calling.
 
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In truth, believers can study the scriptures and mediate them to discover the Author's intent and it has nothing at all to do with believing "every spirit." We are talking about believing the written word of God.
I am only speaking what Paul wrote. I did not write "be (is) revealed in 3b: PAUL wrote that.
I did not write verses 6 through 8 that explain in simple language the simplicity of a restraining power that prevents the man of sin from being revealed before his time - PAUL wrote that.

Do you have trouble understanding verses 6 thought 8? Let's go over them:
6 And you know what currently restrains him, so that he will be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way, 8 and then the lawless one will be revealed. The Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and will bring him to nothing with the brightness of His coming.

verse 6: "and now you know who currently is restraining..." Why would Paul write that? It is simple: He just TOLD the reader, but did it in away one must study to get it. Do you KNOW who the restrainer is - or do you only guess?

"In his time..." the very purpose of restraining is to prevent the man of sin from being revealed BEFORE "his time." He is being held back.

"the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way" This restraining power will be removed: "taken out of the way."

then the lawless one will be revealed He can ONLY be revealed until the one restraining is gone - no longer restraining.

Paul has made it very clear that the man of sin cannot be revealed UNTIL the power restraining him is "gone from the midst" or is taken out of the way. Therefore, your false theory that it could happen soon is just that: false. As Paul said, something must come FIRST. The restrainer must be gone FIRST - and then he can be revealed.

In other words, this restraining power most certainly has the power to PREVENT the man of sin from entering the temple and revealing who he really is UNTIL the restraining power is gone FIRST.

...For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed...

What comes first in verses 6-8? It is the restraining power taken out of the way. We could say it this way: ...For that day will not come unless [the departing: the restrainer is taken out of the way] first and the man of lawlessness is revealed...

Now what could happen to fulfill this significant event? It is Paul's theme: the gathering. At the gathering, is something "taken out of the way?" You know it is.

The question is, can the Greek word "apostasia" fit the gathering? Yes! Refer to Strong's:
Apo: the first part of apostasia

"of separation
...oflocal separation,

after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing,...

of separation of a part from the whole
...where of a whole some part is taken (Emphasis added)


of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed

of a state of separation, that is of distance
...physical, of distance of place


Ask yourself: at the rapture, will there be separation of a part [of a group] from the whole [group]? I think we can trust Strong's.

Since what Paul meant by apostasia has to be the restrainer taken out of the way, and then the man of sin will be revealed, we can see that it is the CHURCH that is taken out of the way. Thereby Paul's theme is satisfied.

I see: your logic demands to substitute the Truth, for the Lie This is a cop out. I substituted the substance of verses 6-8 (how the man of sin will get revealed) into verse 3.

Instead of degrading me, suppose instead you tell us how the man of sin is revealed in 3b? If it is not as Paul tells us in verses 6-8, then you explain how?

I think you can't.

The WORD is GOD. Yeah, the WORD is GOD. Nothing random happens, only and only what the WORD of GOD says will happen.

All things are under the control of the Word - the Word is God.

Your interpretations of the letter of Scriptures are mere opinions, imaginations, presumptions, conjectures, suppositions, and have nothing to do with the Spirit of God,
but with an apostate spirit.

The Word is GOD.
 
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