Discussion Dreams from GOD

This discussion is not one based around or involving a lot of scripture, but mainly experiences.

After I was born again I immediately started to receive dreams from GOD on various topics. Most dreams were very, very vivid from Him. If I was an artist, I could have drawn each scene out,... they were that impressed upon my spirit, even after 10 or 15 years or more.

For me, I knew it was a dream from GOD by how realistic the scenes were. I would normally see myself in the dream watching a scene unfold involving me and something I could be going through. It was like a movie scene that GOD created to show me bits of the future involving myself. Most were warnings and insight, dealing with people or things coming my way that I need to know about, where I could pray over the situation ahead of time with GOD and change the outcome that I was shown. A lot are also informative, where I may have a question about something and GOD answers it, or GOD is showing me something about Himself that addresses something in His word that He wanted me to know and understand further.

All my dreams from GOD are black and white and very defined. If I'm not sure about a dream, or it doesn't seem to make sense, I will ask GOD to remove it if it was not from Him, and it is gone almost right after I say that sort of prayer. I've had more than enough over the 30 years I've been with Him to realize the true from the false trying to infect me. They seem to always be based around the word of knowledge (current and past facts) and the word of wisdom (predictive events and the will of GOD).

I've never had a dream where I was confused about it and GOD would not explain it to me. Every time that I have ever asked about the understanding of a dream, He would explain bits and pieces of it till I understood the whole. Obviously I'm not reliant upon the whole dream interpretation thing by folks, hence why I posted this here instead of the other forum section. If it is from GOD I don't need to depend on someone else to understand it, I can just go to Him.

Praise the Lord for watching over my brother!

I was sitting at the table this holiday with my younger brother who serves full-time in the military. And my brother was among the troops who got sent overseas because of the Ukraine. And in the beginning I kept praying that my brother would not get deployed. And when he got the final ok that he was being deployed was held back from going. This happened two times. But there came a point where I had to be honest with the Lord and I finally just told the Lord if he's needed to let him go. And I'm by no means saying the Lord didn't let him go because I said. But I felt in my heart that I needed to just trust the Lord with my brother. Sometimes we don't trust the Lord as much as we really think we do. My reasoning I did not want him going was not that he was going to die, but that if he died due to negligence because of all the stuff going on, I just don't trust the new administration we had especially after the Afghanistan incidents and the way we deal with current affairs. So I prayed for my brother and his people to keep there eyes open and to make the right decisions and not just do stuff because somebody said so and to speak up if they needed to. And this week at the dinner table my brother told us he almost died over there during training. They were teaching them how to use our artillery systems under guided supervision of course and they were horrible at it. The artillery strikes came so close to them that they had to call off the training because each mortar kept getting closer and closer everytime it went off. And the general got mad and said they weren't allowed to do that because it was against there orders. I don't know what happened in between then but my brother ended up coming home two months early. He said an investigation was opened over the training exercise when they got back and that general is no longer in the military anymore because he was going against safety protocols. But I remember sitting there thinking I'm pretty sure I prayed for that. But one of the most glorious things is when the Lord shows you that he does hear our prayers.
Lost Witness
Lost Witness
PRAISE GOD!!
GOD Most Definitely hears our prayers,
He doesn't always answer them the way we'd like but how they need to be answered and i'm glad he answered your prayer, Brother.
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Point Of Use Water Heaters

I just recently learned of these things. Anybody here use one? It's claimed they deliver hot water "instantly". Is it really instant? In the kitchen and shower, the water heats up reasonably quick, but at the sink where I shave it can take over 3 minutes for the water to heat on cold winter days.

Also, while browsing these online, I've noticed they're sometimes referred to as "hot water heaters", lol. That's not what I need. I need a cold water heater. :p

1 Kings 3:15-4:1 and Matt 16:1-17

1 KINGS 3:15-4:1


In this scripture portion, we see Solomon lifting up “burnt-offerings” and “peace offerings” after also having “dreams.” In his dream, YHVH asked him what he wished for, “For wisdom, an understanding heart to judge this people” and YHVH thus granted him what he wished for.

We can note the unself desire of Solomon to be a wise ruler and the request of wisdom and understanding was granted, just like the spirit of wisdom and understanding was given to Yosef to interpret the dreams of Pharaoh. In each situation in the kingdom, there was always a solution. Both Solomon and Yosef found solutions. The problem in Egypt was the drought and starvation, the solution was in the plan of Yosef to save grain and put it in storage to that it was available in the years of drought. Solomon must have faced other kinds of problems in his kingdom, and YHVH had already given him the understanding and wisdom to resolve said problems and/or situations

This should be a guide for us when we wish for things. I think the best wish would be knowledge of the Torah and wisdom to put into action what we learn from God's Holy Writ. As we see. God gave Solomon that and more.

” Burnt offerings” symbolize our sinful nature, and the “peace offerings” speak of our happiness and joy because of our salvation experience. Today these offerings are “offered up” in “prayer and thanksgiving” the prayers of confession of sin are always heard, and so are the prayers of praise and thanksgiving, because we know we have been forgiven.

MATT 16: 1-17:27


The “leaven” of the Pharisees is non-the less “unbelief” as Yeshua said, this reminds us of when He was visiting the temple during this same time of Hanukkah, and the Jews came around him and said; “tell us plainly if you are the Messiah or not!” yet He rebukes them saying “I have already told you and you do not believe!” He had already given signs through his miracles of healing, and raising of the dead, how much more proof did they need? What does “leaven” do in bread? It “puffs up the bread” and that is what pride does, it “puffs up” and person, and sometimes, stubborn pride brings on unbelief.

Kefa exhibits his faith when he said; “You are Messiah, the Living God” Faith is “believing what we cannot see” yet Kefa sees Yeshua and sees the miracles, and so he believes, yet Yeshua says later on after the resurrection, “You have believed because you see, blessed are those who do not see yet BELIEVE!

1 CORINTHIANS 2:1-5


Rav Shaul (The Apostle Paul) is speaking to the local believers of Corinth. This was one of the churches that this Rav started. I was in Corinth in 1999. He is stating very simply that he witnessed Yeshua very plainly, without fancy words, without an intense religious vocabulary, just simply, “Yeshua died on the cross, was crucified for our transgressions, for our sins He gave up his life.”

When we are given the opportunity to tell others about Yeshua, not by force but by invitation. Not in a condemning way, not using scare “fires of hell” tactics, just a message of love and sacrifice. Thus we can allow the Spirit of God to work on the person, It is the Holy Spirit who opens the hearts of unbelievers so that they may become believers. Not our work, but HIS work.

We must always ask for opportunities to share the Word of God plainly with those who inquire and have an open heart to hear and listen to what we have to say. May our words be HIS words through us.

Ben Avraham

Celebrity-backed bail organization shuts down after releasing serial offender who went on to shoot waiter

The waiter, who was struck by seven rounds in the attack at Shanghai Taste, is suing the nonprofit for its role in releasing Gaston-Anderson despite his criminal past.

Wang — who also is suing Gaston-Anderson and Shanghai Plaza owner US Hui De Real Estate Investment Corp. — is seeking over $15,000 in damages from each defendant, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported.

“He’s got scars all over his body. He can’t move his shoulder over a certain height. I don’t know how (the bullets) missed a vital artery,” the victim’s lawyer, Kory Kaplan, told the newspaper.
So many people on the left act as if the criminal laws passed are there to oppress criminals. What about the victims?

A New Exposition of the Second London Baptist Confession of Faith

A new exposition of the Reformed Baptist confession is to be released on 1-17-23, and apparently features the labors of Mark Sarver, Mike Renihan, James Savastio, Sam Waldron, Dave Chanski, Jeffery Smith, Rob Ventura, Jeremy and Austin Walker and many others.
"To the Judicious and Impartial Reader is an exposition of what is popularly known as the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith, a document translated into many languages and used by churches around the world for almost 350 years. The Exposition seeks to illuminate and explain the theology of the Confession by setting it into its historical and theological context. It examines relevant primary source expositions of Scripture and theological treatises from the post-Reformation and Puritan eras, including the writings of the men who subscribed to it. Modern readers will be able to discern how the first churches to publish the Confession understood its doctrines and practices."
Check it out: To the Judicious and Impartial Reader: Baptist Symbolics Volume 2
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I am Mentally Ill

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

If you were to stick me on the planet Mars I may have a few seconds to make sandcastles out of the iron based compounds before succumbing to the cold. Put me on the planet Venus and I would be baked as if in an oven on the way down. Compared to the intellect and power required to make this universe I am in the vicinity of being mentally ill.

Americans' views on 35 religious groups, organizations, and belief systems (YouGov poll)

Kind of interesting poll. I've seen many such things before, but usually limited to a half dozen choices. This one has many more choices (which has some problems of its own, as some things are not as well known as others, so there may not be strong feelings of favorability or unfavorability.)

Net favorability of U.S. religious groups, organizations, and belief systems

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of the following groups, organizations, or belief systems in the United States? (Percentage who have a very or somewhat favorable view minus the percentage who have a very or somewhat unfavorable view)

Belief systems that encompass the largest shares of Americans — including Christianity, Catholicism, and Protestantism — are among the ones the most Americans view favorably. Viewed least favorably are Satanism and Scientology.

A selection:
+34 Christianity
+15 Protestantism
+11 Judaism
+10 Buddhism
+10 Catholicism
-4 Agnostics
-13 Atheism
-21 LDS
-24 Islam
-27 FLDS
-49 tie between Scientology and Satanism

Interesting that 'big tent' Christianity scores the highest, but as soon as you start subdividing, favorability is at best cut in half.

Help with Matthew 16:26

Hi there,

Just interested in opinions on this verse...

Matthew 16:26
What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?

Is Jesus talking about missing out on blessing in this life.

Is Jesus talking about dying after judgement?

Do the unsaved loose their soul ?

Your thoughts please?

What is biblical truth when there is no consensus?

Some present their views as if they themselves are an authority on biblical interpretation.

Worst case, they attempt to end the discussion by claiming your argument is not with them.
Basically, playing the "God card".

Do we leave no room for the interpretations brought by others? Showing intolerance.

What is biblical truth when there is no consensus?

I need a little bit of help.

I come from a non-religious family. Both my parents are scientists. I ended up turning to Christ on my own (more like he called me, but long story) and repented. But obviously my parents wont...I dont want to loose them. I dont want to loose them to hell and idk what to do. Theres no way they will repent, and yet theres no other way to get them into heaven. Can I pray and ask for forgiveness FOR them? Obviously I dont know all their sins but maybe I can try? Idk

Incredible Case Of The Only Individual Whose Parents Were Two Different Species

Highlights
An ancient child from Siberia is believed to be the only know individual whose parents were from two different species. The studied remains belonged to a girl who had a Neanderthal mother and a Denisovan father.

ancient-teen

The ancient teenager

Found in Denisova Cave, this child — known as “Denisova 11” — was at least 13 years of age at the time of her death. Analysis of a piece of her bone found that the girl died more than 50,000 years ago. The cause of her death and how she lived is still being investigated.​
This discovery occurred through ancient DNA analysis, whereby a small piece of the teenager’s bone was pulverised, the DNA extracted, and then sequenced. The sequence was then compared to previously analysed samples from Neanderthals, modern humans, and Denisovans. Her genetic traits could only be explained if her mother was a Neanderthal and her father was a Denisovan.​

Species replaced by humans 40,000 years ago

Neanderthals and Denisovans inhabited Eurasia until about 40,000 years ago when they were replaced by modern humans (Homo sapiens). But before this replacement occurred, there appears to have been a fair bit of mingling going on whenever the different groups met.​

Is the threat of hell spiritual extortion?

We read a lot here about the free-will choice to follow Jesus.
And there is healthy debate about how that may come about, or what may be required.

But when the threat of hell is included, it no longer exists as a free-will decision.
Now we are dealing with extortion, an "or else" situation. Coercion by threat of violence.
And not just violence, but the most sadistic torture imaginable.
Assuming ECT. (eternal conscious torment)

The proponents of hell defend it tooth and claw. Seemingly oblivious to the extortion.
"Receive the gift of eternal life; or if you prefer, you will be incinerated."
A free-will choice, or spiritual extortion?

Help me to understand why this is okay.

The OT Law

Is the law still relative in God's eyes?

Especially in light of Luke 16,
To me, this says that John the Baptist is a time marker we can see where salvation comes into the light, and from that time forward salvation is to be preached.
However, the law has not passed away or vanished. Jesus seems to be saying heaven and earth will pass away before the law does.

Luke 16
16. The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the gospel of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.
17. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for a single stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law


I do not think we can fully understand what the law is if we just read the OT, the NT is what actually reveals the law's purpose and true meaning. In the NT we will find much scripture about the Law.


Jesus himself says he came not to abolish the law but fulfill the law.

Matthew 5-17
17. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

I have always wondered what fulfilled means in a way that I could relate to what is being said. I know he was the only one to keep the law fully and perfectly.
But I think it is more than that. I think it also means the true meaning of the law was never revealed until it was actually fulfilled. By Jesus fulfilling the law he shines a light on the true meaning and purpose of the law, which seems was never revealed in the OT. Jesus himself said the law

According to the scripture, The meaning of the law was to show us how sinful we truly are and how we could never earn our way to heaven. But it hangs on loving God with all your heart soul and mind and loving your neighbor as yourself.

Matthew 22
37 Jesus declared, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.e
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

So in light of the NT teaching on the OT law, we know that it never saved anyone and that it was incomplete until Jesus came and fulfilled it and revealed to us what it really meant.

The Law Never saved anyone

Romans 3-20
20. For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

James 2-10
10. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.

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So is the OT law still relative in God's eyes?? I personally do not see how it could be. However, this is where I see a big difference in the way some think about the bible, and has me wondering.

The OT was to the Jews mainly and God calls them "my people" many times all throughout the OT. And God spoke to the Jews in a way that seems to indicate that what he was saying was only for the Jews and it was an everlasting thing. An example of this is Jewish Statues and Law.

Leviticus 16:29
And this shall be a statute forever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country or a stranger that sojourneth among you:

Leviticus 16:31
It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute forever.

Leviticus 23:21
And ye shall proclaim on a selfsame day, that it may be a holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute forever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.


So was he telling them to keep his OT statues forever as it seems plainly written, or was he only giving him the partial meaning of all this, and using all this to Point to Jesus Christ his son who would fulfill and reveal the full meaning of the law?

To me it seems the NT and Jesus coming is a fulfillment of the law meaning Jesus revealed its true purpose and reason for the Law, God said the law is forever Jesus does not contradict this, he just explains it in a way that the OT did not reveal.
The whole law hangs on Loving God with all you got, and your neighbor as yourself. It always been about that, but it was not understood until THe NT. So I have to conclude I personally do not think God sees the OT law relative today in the way it was written in the OT, but does see it relative today in the way Jesus explains it.

I see the big divide on this subject as a lot of people I talk with seem to think that the Jewish people are still under the law and it is relative in God's eyes. Yet we know that no one ever kept the law, and the law never saved anyone, so how can it be relative??


Trump linked to fake Nevada electors plot

LAS VEGAS (AP) — New transcripts of closed-door testimony to the Jan. 6 House committee show Donald Trump and his allies had a direct hand in the Nevada Republican Party’s scheme to send a phony electoral certificate to Congress in 2020 in a last-ditch attempt to keep the former president in power.

The documents made public Wednesday evening included interviews with state party leader Michael McDonald and Republican National Committeeman Jim DeGraffenreid in February. Both men served as fake electors in Carson City on Dec. 14, 2020.


The depths to which Donald Trump and his lackeys will descend in order to keep him in office seems to be bottomless. :angry:

You Must Be Complete

"You, therefore, must be complete, as your heavenly Father is complete."
– Matthew 5:48
Matthew 5:43-48 is an expounding of the Second Greatest Commandment by our Lord. It is the Christian's duty to love all men, not some; to pray for all men, not for some. Our service in this world is not only to the Church. We are not called to be incomplete (or imperfect), but rather to be impartial in our goodwill toward all men, just as He is impartial in His goodwill toward all men, for, "He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust" (v. 45). He does not show His common grace in an incomplete manner, so neither shall we. We must be imitators of Him.

It seems pretty self-explanatory, so is there anything else we can learn from this passage?

The Early Church Fathers Were Historicist - Not Preterist or Futurist

H. Grattan Guinness (regarded as "England's greatest Bible prophecy teacher") elaborates below on the following 8 points, followed by his comment on Futurism:

1. The Fathers interpreted the four beasts of Daniel as Babylon, MedoPersia, Greece, Rome
2. The Fathers believed the Ten Horns of Daniel and Revelation are the same
3. The Fathers interpreted the Apocalypse (Book of Revelation) via Historicism
4. The Fathers believed that Daniel, Paul, and John describe in different ways the same Antichrist power
5. The Fathers believed the "Restrainer" of 2 Thess. 2 was the Pagan Roman Empire, not an Agent of Holiness
6. The Fathers believed Rome's fall was and the emergence of Antichrist was imminent, not 2,000+ years later
7. The Fathers believed the Antichrist would rule over the fallen Roman Empire
8. The Fathers believed "Babylon" wasn't literal, but symbolic for Rome where they believed Antichrist sat

1. The Fathers interpreted the four wild beasts of prophecy as representing the four empires, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome.
Here we have the foundation of the historical interpretation of prophecy. Take as an instance the words of Hippolytus on the great image and four wild beasts of Daniel : ” The golden head of the image,” he says, “is identical with the lioness, by which the Babylonians were represented ; the shoulders and the arms of silver are the same with the bear, by which the Persians and Medes are meant ; the belly and thighs of brass are the leopard, by which the Greeks who ruled from Alexander onwards are intended ; the legs of iron are the dreadful and terrible beast, by which the Romans who hold the empire now are meant ; the toes of clay and iron are the ten horns which are to be;the one other little horn springing up in their midst is the antichrist ; the stone that smites the image and breaks it in pieces, and that filled the whole earth, is Christ, who comes from heaven and brings judgment on the world.” 1 This statement is remarkable for its clearness, correctness, and condensation, and expresses the view held still by the historic school.

Hippolytus says, in the treatise on ” Christ and Antichrist “: “Rejoice, blessed Daniel, thou hast not been in error ; all these things have come to pass” (p. 19). “Already the iron rules ; already it subdues and breaks all in pieces ; already it brings all the unwilling into subjection ; already we see these things ourselves. Now we glorify God, being instructed by thee ” (p. 20).

2. The Fathers held that the ten-horned beasts of Daniel and John are the same.
As an instance, Irenaeus, in his book “Against Heresies,” chap, xxvi., says : “John, in the Apocalypse, . . . teaches us what the ten horns shall be which were seen by Daniel”

3. The Fathers held the historic interpretation of the Apocalypse.
As Elliott says, none of the Fathers ” entertained the idea of the apocalyptic prophecy overleaping the chronological interval, were it less or greater, antecedent to the consummation, and plunging at once into the times of the consummation.” Here, for example commentary of Victorinus on the Apocalypse of John, written towards the end of the third century. This is the earliest commentary extant on the Apocalypse as a whole. In this, the going forth of the white horse under the first seal is interpreted of the victories of the gospel in the first century. This view, you will observe, involves the historical interpretation of the entire book of Revelation. Victorinus interprets the woman clothed with the sun, having the moon under her feet, and wearing a crown of twelve stars on her head, and travailing in her pains, as “the ancient Church of fathers, prophets, saints, and apostles ” ; in other words, the Judaeo-Christian body of saints. He could not of course point to fulfilments which were at his early date still future, but he recognises the principle.

4. The Fathers held that the little horn of Daniel, the man of sin foretold by Paul, and the revived head of the Roman empire predicted by John, represent one and the same power ; and they held that power to be the antichrist.
For example, Origen, in his famous book, ” Against Celsus" thus expresses himself (bk. vi., chap. xlvi.). After quoting nearly the whole of Paul’s prophecy about the man of sin in 2 Thessalonians, which he interprets of the antichrist, he says : “Since Celsus rejects the statements concerning antichrist, as it is termed, having neither read what is said of him in the book of Daniel, nor in the writings of Paul, nor what the Saviour in the gospels has predicted about his coming, we must make a few remarks on this subject. . . . Paul speaks of him who is called antichrist, describing, though with a certain reserve, both the manner and time and cause of his coming. . . . The prophecy also regarding antichrist is stated in the book of Daniel, and is fitted to make an intelligent and candid reader admire the words as truly Divine and prophetic ; for in them are mentioned the things relating to the coming kingdom, beginning with the times of Daniel, and continuing to the destruction of the world.”

Jerome, in his commentary on the book of Daniel (chap, vii.), says, with reference to the little horn which has a mouth speaking great things, that “it is the man of sin, the son of perdition, who dares to sit in the temple of God, making himself as God.”

5. The Fathers held that the Roman empire was the ” let” or hindrance, referred to by Paul in 2 Thessalonians, which kept back the manifestation of the ”man of sin”.
This point is of great importance. Paul distinctly tells us that he knew, and that the Thessalonians knew, what that hindrance was, and that it was then in existence. The early Church, through the writings of the Fathers, tells us what it knew upon the subject, and with remarkable unanimity affirms that this “let,” or hindrance, was the Roman empire as governed by the Caesars ; that while the Caesars held imperial power, it was impossible for the predicted antichrist to arise, and that on the fall of the Caesars he would arise. Here we have a point on which Paul affirms the existence of knowledge in the Christian Church. The early Church knew, he says, what this hindrance was. The early Church tells us what it did know upon the subject, and no one in these days can be in a position to contradict its testimony as to what Paul had, by word of mouth only, told the Thessalonians. It is a point on which ancient tradition alone can have any authority. Modern speculation is positively impertinent on such a subject.

What then was the view of the early Church ? Look at the words of Tertullian. Quoting Thessalonians, he says : ” Now ye know what detaineth that he might be revealed in his time, for the mystery of iniquity doth already work ; only he who now hinders must hinder until he be taken out of the way. What obstacle is there but the Roman state ; the falling away of which, by being scattered into ten kingdoms, shall introduce antichrist, . . . that the beast antichrist, with his false prophet, may wage war on the Church of God ?

Read the words of Chrysostom in his ” Commentary on 2 Thessalonians ” : ” One may first naturally inquire what is that which withholdeth, and after that would know why Paul expresses this so obscurely, . . . ‘he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.’ That is, when the Roman empire is taken out of the way, then he shall come ; and naturally, for as long as the fear of this empire lasts, no one will readily exalt himself; but when that is dissolved, he will attack the anarchy, and endeavour to seize upon the government both of men and of God. For as the kingdoms before this were destroyed, that of the Medes by the Babylonians, that of the Babylonians by the Persians, that of the Persians by the Macedonians, that of the Macedonians by the Romans, so will this be by antichrist’, and he by Christ.” Then accounting for Paul’s reserve in alluding to this point he adds : ” Because he says this of the Roman empire, he naturally only glanced at it and spoke covertly, for he did not wish to bring upon himself superfluous enmities and useless dangers. For if he had said that, after a little while, the Roman empire would be dissolved, they would now immediately have even overwhelmed him as a pestilent person, and all the faithful as living and warring to this end.”

From Irenaus, who lived close to apostolic times, down to Chrysostom and Jerome, the Fathers taught that the power withholding the manifestation of the ” man of sin ” was the Roman empire as governed by the Caesars. The Fathers therefore belong to the historic, and not to the futurist school of interpretation ; for futurists imagine that the hindrance to the manifestation of the man of sin is still in existence, though the Caesars have long since passed away.

6. The Fathers held that the fall of the Roman empire was imminent, and therefore the manifestation of antichrist close at hand.
Justin Martyr, for example, one of the earliest of the Fathers, in his ” Dialogue with Trypho,” chap, xxxii., says : ” He whom Daniel foretells would have dominion for ‘ time and times and a half is already even at the door, about to speak blasphemous and daring things against the Most High.”

Cyprian, in his ” Exhortation to Martyrdom,” says: “Since . . . the hateful time of antichrist is already beginning to draw near, I would collect from the sacred Scriptures some exhortations for preparing and strengthening the minds of the brethren, whereby I might animate the soldiers of Christ for the heavenly and spiritual contest.”

7. The Fathers held that the ” man of sin’,’ or antichrist, would be a ruler or head of the Roman empire.
A striking illustration of this is the interpretation by Irenaeus and Hippolytus of the mysterious number 666, the number of the revived head of the beast, or antichrist. Irenaus gives as its interpretation the word Latinos. He says : ” Latinos is the number 666, and it is a very probable (solution), this being the name of the last kingdm, for the LATINS are they who at present bear rule” x

Hippolytus gives the same solution in his treatise on ” Christ and Antichrist.”

8. The Fathers held that the Babylon of the Apocalypse means Rome.
On this point they were all agreed, and their unanimity is an important seal on the correctness of this interpretation. Teriullian, for example, in his answer to the Jews, says : ” Babylon, in our own John, is a figure of the city Rome, as being equally great and proud of her sway, and triumphant over the saints ” (chap. ix.). Victorinus, who wrote the earliest commentary on the Apocalypse extant, says, on Revelation xvii. : “The seven heads are the seven hills on which the woman sitteth that is, the city of Rome:’

Hippolytus says : “Tell me, blessed John, apostle and disciple of the Lord, what didst thou see and hear concerning Babylon ? Arise and speak, for it sent thee also into banishment” 3 You notice here the view that Rome which banished the Apostle John is the Babylon of the Apocalypse.

Augustine says, ” Rome, the second Babylon, and the daughter of the first, to which it pleased God to subject the whole world, and bring it all under one sovereignty, was now founded.” 1 In chap, xxviii. he calls Rome “the western Babylon” In chap. xli. he says : ” It has not been in vain that this city has received the mysterious name of Babylon ; for Babylon is interpreted confusion, as we have said elsewhere.”

It is clear from these quotations that the Fathers did not interpret the Babylon of the Apocalypse as meaning either the literal Babylon on the Euphrates, or some great city in France or England, but as meaning Rome. And this is still the interpretation of the historic school, though for the last 800 years events have proved Babylon to represent Rome, not in its pagan, but in its Papal form.

It should be noted that none of the Father’s held the futurist gap theory, the theory that the book of Revelation overleaps nearly eighteen centuries of Christian history, plunging at once into the distant future, and devoting itself entirely to predicting the events of the last few years of this dispensation. As to the subject of antichrist, there was a universal agreement among them concerning the general idea of the prophecy, while there were differences as to details, these differences arising chiefly from the notion that the antichrist would be in some way Jewish as well as Roman. It is true they thought that the antichrist would be an individual man. Their early position sufficiently accounts for this. They had no conception and could have no conception of the true nature and length of the tremendous apostasy which was to set in upon the Christian Church. They were not prophets, and could not foresee that the Church was to remain nineteen centuries in the wilderness, through prolonged and bitter persecution under a succes of nominally Christian but apostate rulers, filling the place of the ancient Caesars and emulating their antichristian deeds. Had they known these things, we may well believe their views would have completely harmonized with those of historic interpreters of later times.
The Fathers went as far as they could go in the direction in which historical interpreters of these last days have traveled. Further, much that was dark to them in prophecy has become clear to their successors in the light of its accomplishment. Divine providence has thrown light, as it could not fail to do, on Divine prediction. (Romanism and the Reformation; pg.190-200)


On Futurism:

To resist the use to which Scripture prophecy was put by the reformers (Protestant Historicism) is no light or unimportant matter. The system of prophetic interpretation known as Futurism does resist this use. It condemns the interpretation of the reformers. It condemns the views of all these men, and of all the martyrs, and of all the confessors and faithful witnesses of Christ for long centuries. It condemns the Albigenses, the Waldenses, the Wicliffites, the Hussites, the Lollards, the Lutherans, the Calvinists ; it condemns them all, and upon a point, upon which they are all agreed, an interpretation of Scripture which they embodied in their solemn confessions and sealed with their blood. It condemns the spring of their action, the foundation of the structure they erected. How daring is this act, and how destitute of justification! What an opposition to the pillars of a work most manifestly Divine! for it is no less than this, for Futurism asserts that Luther and all the reformers were wrong in this fundamental point. And whose interpretation of prophecy does it justify and approve? That of the Romanists. (pg. 251-2)

Society and Culture PIP on the Differing Effects Secularism has on Denominations

Hello. I am sending out a questionnaire for my Society and Culture Personal Interest Project to investigate how modern secular society may affect Christian denominations differently. If you are interested, your time is much appreciated for filling out this questionnaire.
Participation in this research is voluntary. If you do not wish to take part, you do not have to and you may close this form at any point in time. All information will be de-identified and remain anonymous.

Old Movies (40-50s)

I just watched In The Good Old Summertime, 1949, Musical Comedy (a musical remake of Shop Around the Corner).
The last time I tried to watch it I didn't see the entire movie.
Judy Garland, Van Johnson, S. Z. Sakall("Cuddles"), Spring Byington, and others(even Buster Keaton).

I remember "Cuddles" from Christmas in Connecticut.


In the Good Old Summertime (1949) - IMDb
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