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Rising number of Brits leaving Christianity turning to paganism

A growing number of Britons who leave Christianity are turning to paganism or other forms of spiritualism instead of converting to other major religions, a new study has found.

The survey, released by the Institute for the Impact of Faith in Life, questioned 2,774 adults who self-identified as having "experienced a change in their religious belief," seeking to provide insight into "how, why, and in what direction Britons are moving between faiths, spiritualities, and non-belief."

The researchers conclude that "Britain is not secularising in a straightforward way" but rather "undergoing a re-composition of belief, a shift away from inherited institutional structures towards personalised, practice-based, and wellbeing-oriented forms of faith."

Forty-four percent of respondents said they left Christianity, while only 17% said they had newly become Christians. Meanwhile, 39% of respondents said they had become an atheist or agnostic.

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Zac Brown Band Raises Hell Online With ‘Satanic’ Performance at Las Vegas Sphere

zac brown band
Screengrabs from X / @LasVegasLocally


All hell has broken loose online after Zac Brown Band played the first of eight shows slated for their residency at The Sphere in Las Vegas. The Sphere is an experience “that envelops you in 270 degrees of visuals while filling your ears with immersive sound,” and the band is taking heat for subjecting viewers to “demonic” and “satanic” imagery that included a fiery wasteland and a giant skeleton with a crown of bones.

“I rebuke [these] demons and principalities in the name of Jesus,” said one user on Instagram in response to a clip of the show that showed a hellhound charging toward viewers as if to swallow them. “I [am] speaking healing and deliverance for the people who attended that concert. I pray for Zac Brown Band to open their eyes to see what they are doing and to repent. In Jesus name amen.”

Zac Brown Band Under Fire



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Hidden Error

It's my understanding that any religion that teaches anything that is against the Scriptures is a false religion, i.e. anti-Christian! This article is not for the purpose of judging anyone in particular but only for revealing error (sin), via the Word of God!



Overview of the Seven Sacraments

Sacrament Description
Baptism Cleanses a person from original sin and welcomes them into the Church.
Only confession of sins to God cleanses one from sin, and "all unrighteousness" (1Jn 1:9).

Confirmation Strengthens the baptized person in their faith, typically performed by a bishop.
Baptism does not affect any type of power, it only reveals obedience of Christ's command to “baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Mat 28:19. It gives encouragement, but no attributed power.

Eucharist Also known as Holy Communion (or Transubstantiation), it is the central rite of Catholic worship, involving the body and blood of Christ.
This is one of the most anti-Christian doctrines, in that it assumes, during the Mass, that the Lord Jesus literally enters the implement of the Body (for re-sacrificing), and the Blood literally becomes the implement of His Blood.

Penance (Reconciliation) Allows individuals to confess sins and receive forgiveness, restoring their relationship with God.
Only if we confess our sins to God can there be forgiveness (1Jn 1:9).

Anointing of the Sick Offers comfort and healing to those who are seriously ill or near death.
Only if requests are made to God can He possibly heal.

Holy Orders The sacrament through which men are ordained as deacons, priests, or bishops for service in the Church. If anyone believes any of the before mentioned Catholic teachings, they are without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and do not possess any godliness.

Matrimony The covenant between a man and a woman, establishing a lifelong partnership in love and faith.
The authority God gives to marry anyone absent of indwelling of the Holy Spirit is want of any authority of God.

–Wikipedia


This final doctrine isn't a sacrament, but are significant enough to mention. If you look in a dictionary for the term, Immaculate Conception, it will define it as "a doctrine of the Catholic Church, that the Virgin Mary was conceived without original sin." It is stated in Scripture that, “all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” (Ro 3:23).

$30M military wreath charity buys solely from its founders’ farm


This story is 2 years old, but 'tis the season for a reminder. :)

God hides things

⭐ 1. GOD PURPOSEFULLY HIDES TRUTH Isaiah 45:15 “Truly, You are a God who hides Himself.” Deuteronomy 29:29 “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and our children.” Two categories: secret things → God keeps hidden revealed things → for humanity to obey Job 28:21–23 Wisdom is hidden from every living thing… God understands the way to it. True wisdom is inaccessible unless God opens it.
⭐ 2. GOD CONCEALS SPIRITUAL TRUTH IN PARABLES, SYMBOLS, AND MYSTERIES Matthew 13:11 “To you it has been given to know the mysteries… to them it has NOT been given.” Jesus deliberately hides truth from the hard-hearted. Matthew 13:34–35 Jesus spoke in parables “to fulfill what was spoken… I will utter things hidden since the foundation of the world.” Parables = concealment and revelation at the same time. 1 Corinthians 2:7 “We speak the hidden wisdom of God in a mystery.” Colossians 1:26 “The mystery which has been hidden from ages and generations but now is revealed to His saints.”
⭐ 3. GOD HIDES FROM THE PROUD AND REVEALS TO THE HUMBLE Matthew 11:25 “You have hidden these things from the wise and learned and revealed them to little children.” A deliberate divine filter. Proverbs 2:3–5 If you cry out for insight… seek her like silver… THEN you will understand the fear of the Lord. Truth is found only through earnest searching.
⭐ 4. PROPHECIES ARE OFTEN SEALED UNTIL THE APPOINTED TIME Daniel 12:4 “Seal the book until the time of the end.” Daniel 12:9 “The words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.” Biblical apocalyptic literature often hides timelines, symbols, and meanings. Revelation 10:4 The seven thunders spoke… “Seal up what the seven thunders said.” Even John is not allowed to reveal everything.
⭐ 5. JESUS IS HIMSELF A “HIDDEN MYSTERY” Isaiah 53:2–3 “He had no majesty that we should desire Him.” The Messiah appeared ordinary, hiding His glory. 1 Corinthians 1:27–29 God hides the truth from the powerful and reveals it through the lowly. Luke 24:16 “Their eyes were restrained so they did not recognize Him.” Concealment is part of God’s strategy.
⭐ 6. GOD HIDES HIMSELF TO TEST HEARTS Jeremiah 29:13 “You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.” Proverbs 25:2 “It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; the glory of kings to search it out.” God hides truth so that only the sincere find Him.
⭐ 7. GOD ORCHESTRATES HISTORY IN A HIDDEN WAY Ecclesiastes 3:11 “He has set eternity in the human heart, yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.” Psalm 77:19 “Your way was in the sea, and Your path in the great waters, yet Your footprints were not known.” He acts invisibly, leaving traces that must be searched.
⭐ 8. GOD HIDES TO PROTECT WHAT IS HOLY Matthew 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is holy; do not cast pearls before swine.” Divine truth is not for mockers. Proverbs 1:24–29 God refuses to reveal truth to those who reject correction.
⭐ WHY DOES GOD NOT PUT EVERYTHING IN THE OPEN? The Bible gives five reasons:
⭐ 1. TO SEPARATE THE HUMBLE FROM THE PROUD God reveals His secrets only to those who want Him. This preserves the moral dimension of revelation: Truth is a reward, not a triviality.
⭐ 2. TO PROTECT THE UNREADY If God fully exposed the spiritual realm: humans would be overwhelmed accountability would increase to unbearable levels rebellion would instantly receive judgment Concealment is mercy.
⭐ 3. TO TRAIN DISCERNMENT Truth is not just data. The search itself produces: wisdom transformation humility holiness Revelation is formative, not merely informational.
⭐ 4. TO PRESERVE FREE WILL If God revealed Himself in overpowering visibility: unbelief would be impossible love would be coerced faith would vanish Hiddenness creates space for genuine relationship.
⭐ 5. TO UNFOLD HISTORY IN STAGES Revelation is progressive: Old Covenant concealed Christ Christ concealed the Church Age Revelation conceals the future Things are revealed when the time is right. As Jesus said: “I have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.” —John 16:12
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Behold, the Son of man is betrayed (present tense) into the hands of sinners....rise up and let us be going...

Peace in Christ.

This is the “death” that we are to die: bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus so that His life might be made manifest in our body….in our MORTAL FLESH. This is the keeping of His “daily” sacrifice as we are to ALWAYS do it. We then manifest the Son of man to the outside world by doing so. The people of the outside world who are sitting in deep darkness will then "see" Him made manifest through us by looking at us. They will come to His manifestation through us. They will come as a "cloud" as the Son of man comes upon a cloud of EYEWITNESSES of His glory that they will see through us who manifest it to them.

2Co 4:10-11 KJV
(10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

(11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

But currently, the Son of man is “going away”…sinking out of view from this earth…as His life is not being made manifest in the man-based churches as the Son of man is being given up/betrayed into the hands of sinners. The people of the outside world are in complete spiritual darkness as they do not see the form of Christ nor do they have the knowledge of the glory of God.

We are “asleep” to this fact in the man-based churches and we need to “awake” …to “behold”…to perceive… what is really going on in them: He is being betrayed (PRESENT TENSE) now in the man-based churches who know not what they are doing. The man-based churches will not believe in this knowledge when they will hear it.

Mar 14:41-42
(41) And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed (present tense) into the hands of sinners.

We are to “awake” (RISE UP= awaken) to this fact and take action and GO away from them: “let us go.”

We must come out from among them and be separate and be no longer attached to the unclean body of the man-based churches where His life is being given up.

(42) Rise up, let us go; lo, he that betrayeth me is at hand.

The Son of THE man is being betrayed PRESENT TENSE)!

Mat 26:24
(24) The Son of (definite article: THE) man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of (THE) man is betrayed (PRESENT TENSE)! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

The people of the outside world who are sitting in deep darkness cannot now “see” His life shine through us for He is being currently given up so that His life is not being made manifest in the mortal flesh of any of the man-based church goers.

The Son of THE man (man = Anthropos - From aner and ops (the countenance; from optanomai). Aner = man and “ops” = EYE.

Optanomai = the first a (middle voice) prolonged form of the second (primary) which is used for it in certain tenses; and both as alternates of G3708; to gaze (that is, with wide open eyes, as at something remarkable;

The outside people (the anthropos) are to SEE….to GAZE with wide eyes at something remarkable: the manifestation of the life of the SON of God made through the flesh of His people. The Son of the "man"...the anthropos...as the outside people of the world will see the Son and consider what they are seeing.

They …the anthropos…will “see” Him manifest through us and will consider. Kings will SEE something remarkable with their eyes. They will see the King of kings and the Lord of lords through us. He makes us kings and priests through His manifestation of His glory in us to them.

Isa 49:7 KJV
(7) Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

Kings shall SEE His "visage"...His view....and they will consider Him at the VIEWING of the Son whom we manifest to their eyes. They will see the Son of the man…the seeing man that will consider what he is seeing with eyes wide open to this remarkable sight of Him at their viewing of Him made manifest through us.

Isa 52:14-15 KJV
(14) As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

(15) So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

Do All Religions Lead To God?

It gets very confusing with all the different religions and claims that this claim from their head or that belief or ideas from the various movements that they have the path that leads to God, so is it? When you hear a religious leader or teacher claim that all religions lead on a path to God, scripture is clear that is not the case. We find it in John 14...

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus declares that the only way to God is through Him.

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Daniel 12 ended 70 AD

Daniel 12

12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise.
(this is about the war in heaven in Rev 12 Michael vs the devil. The war happened when Jesus said ◄ John 12:31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out, and Luke 10 18 And He said unto them, “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.)

There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then.
(this is about 70 AD. Jesus said it would be great tribulation greater than ever has been or would be - in context of the pre messianic, and Mosaic age, and 70 AD was the end of OT Israel, and the Mosaic age never to return ever again).


But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.
(prophecy of massive resurrection of the dead of every Israelite, "Daniels people"= Israelites, in the OT . The book is Gods book with his people in it referenced in Exodus 32:32–33, then in Revelation there is the lambs book which might just be NT times book with Christians names in it.)


4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
(the end means the end of the Mosaic age 70 AD not the end of time. Seal it because it won't happen until 70 AD. Could increase in knowledge be in reference to the Qumran sect which went back to books like 1 Enoch, Test of the 12, Jubilees? )

5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?”
7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”
(3.5 years. 66 AD start of Judean Roman wars-70 AD temple destroyed or 70-73 AD ending with suicide at Masada. Daily sacrifices stopped both 66, and 70 AD in Josephus).

8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?”
9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.


Christians were purified 30-70 AD when they died for their faith- John Baptist, Stephen, Antipas are 3 named in the bible then there were more under Nero in the 60s AD
Another approx 3.5 year timeframe so 66-70 AD or 70-73 AD.
13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”

John 5


25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

28 Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
(same language as the prophecy of dead raising in Dan 12).

⭐ John 6:39–40

“I will raise him up on the last day.” (last day of the Mosaic covenant 70 AD).

⭐ John 6:44

“No one can come to Me unless the Father draws him… and I will raise him up at the last day.”

⭐ John 11:25–26

“I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in Me… will live even if he dies.”

⭐ Matthew 22:31–32 (also Mark 12:26–27; Luke 20:37–38)

“He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

⭐ Luke 14:14

“You will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”

⭐ Luke 20:35–36

“Those considered worthy to attain… and the resurrection from the dead… can no longer die.”


1 Thessalonians 4

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

(Gospel of Nic explains Jesus took these people to paradise when he was dead for 3 days)

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
(we who are alive means the apostle writing this text, and other first century Christians 2000 years ago it does not mean in the future)

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(this trumpet is in Revelation 10:7,and Rev 1-12 which happened 70 AD. It calls it the mystery of God. Gospel of Nic has more info on the people that raised from the dead the day Jesus died but there was going to be more around 70 AD)

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(the living Christians in Judea at this event would of been raptured)

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



Now when he was crucified, there was darkness over all the world, and the sun was obscured for half a day, and the stars appeared, but no lustre was seen in them; and the moon lost its brightness, as though tinged with blood; and the world of the departed was swallowed up; so that the very sanctuary of the temple, as they call it, did not appear to the Jews themselves at their fall, but they perceived a chasm in the earth, and the rolling of successive thunders. And amid this terror the dead appeared rising again, as the Jews themselves bore witness, and said that it was Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the twelve patriarchs, and Moses, and Job, who had died before, as they say, some three thousand five hundred years. And there were very many whom I myself saw appearing in the body, and they made lamentation
over the Jews, because of the transgression which was committed by them, and because of the destruction of the Jews and of their law.

1 Corinthians 15


51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality

trumpet again Rev 10:7 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.” both have the word mystery. We means the first Christians 2000 years ago not us today or future. Same kind of prophecy as the one in Thessalonians above.
Only Rev 1-12 happened 70 AD Rev 13-22 is future. There is a massive raising from the dead in Rev 20-22 which is still future.
The end of the animal apocalypse in 1 Enoch (written pre flood not pseudepigrapha) explains there was a huge spiritual judgement on OT Israelites first century AD too

Shark Feeding Frenzy

This is a short video of a shark feeding frenzy at Byron Bay in New South Wales as reported on the (Australian) ABC online news.


The bay is on the northern side of Cape Byron which is the eastern most point of mainland Australia.

There's a couple of swimmers taking a risk but they may not have been able to see the sharks.


PS - The article mentions a couple of Swiss nationals who were attacked at Crowdy Bay National Park last month. One of them died unfortunately but it seems they may have been swimming in the vicinity of bait balls.

Trickster Christ and the Second Fall: A New Framework for Understanding the Kingdom of God

This study interprets the Kingdom of God as a divine drama where angelic autonomy exists through unilateral contradiction, and salvation emerges through the completion rather than reversal of the Fall. Please offer your critical views.

The Kingdom of God exists within the divine mind as a semi-autonomous realm where angelic beings experience genuine freedom while remaining encompassed within God's consciousness. Drawing on Constantin Noica's concept of unilateral contradiction, the paper argues that while angels contradict God by asserting independence, God encompasses their opposition within divine unity. Tolkien's Silmarillion illustrates this principle through Ilúvatar's incorporation of Melkor's discord into a greater harmony.

Contrary to modern immanentist theology, the Church Fathers understood God's Kingdom primarily as celestial reality. While the celestial realm maintains ontological priority, the earthly Kingdom manifests within individual souls through recognition of the world's emptiness—a detachment that opens hearts to the Holy Spirit.

The paper reframes participation (methexis) as engagement in divine drama rather than sharing in divine substance. While medieval sacramental ontology is obsolete, creatures participate in dramatic forms within the celestial Kingdom. Creation maintains genuine autonomy and productive capacity, as Genesis reveals the earth itself 'bringing forth' life. Through unilateral contradiction, God encompasses rather than opposes autonomous creation.

Christ appears as redemptive trickster, paralleling Satan as dark trickster. However, Christ completes rather than reverses the Fall. Satan's incomplete fall preserved residual enchantment through which demonic powers maintained dominion. Christ initiated a 'Second Fall'—cosmic disenchantment that dissolved the sacral order, creating the void into which the Spirit descended at Pentecost.

This disenchantment represents liberation rather than abandonment. Our modern world of impersonal laws reflects Christ's dismantling of spiritual bondage. Paul advanced this disenchantment by declaring pagan idols 'nothing.' While most succumb to nihilism, a remnant attains salvation through connection to the transcendent Kingdom.

The Church serves protective-therapeutic rather than salvific functions. Following the Christus Medicus tradition, it protects humanity from residual demonic forces while providing spiritual therapy. However, mature Christians transcend ecclesiastical participation for direct communion with the Kingdom.

The Eucharist represents Christianity's controlled accommodation to humanity's need for material-spiritual mediation. Like a vaccine, it satisfies theophagy impulses without allowing descent into paganism. The Eucharist redirects pagan tendencies while preserving broader disenchantment. Extending eucharistic presence universally, as ressourcement theology proposes, would recreate the pagan cosmology Christianity intended to overcome.

Read the paper here: Divine Drama and Cosmic Disenchantment: The Kingdom of God as Dramatic Participation

Branches Not Bearing Fruit

“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.” (John 15:1-6 NASB1995)

We read in Romans 11 about the branches which were broken off from the “Olive Tree,” which was not a literal tree, but which symbolizes biblical Israel, i.e. Jesus Christ. Once Jesus Christ gave his life up for us on that cross to put our sins to death with him, and then he was resurrected from the dead, God’s covenant people (Israel, the branches) now included all Gentiles who believed in Jesus Christ and who followed him in obedience. And all Jews who refused Jesus as their Messiah were cut out of Israel (the tree).

I see this as paralleling with this passage of Scripture in John 15, only here Jesus is symbolized by a vine of which we are the branches. And the message is fairly of the same nature. Every branch in Jesus Christ, the vine, that does not bear fruit (spiritual results according to God’s word), he takes away (removes from the vine). And if one of the branches does not abide in the vine, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. Similar results as above.

For we read in 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Hebrews 3:1-19; and Hebrews 4:1-13 that all those who wandered in the wilderness for 40 years who did not obey God, but who chose the path of sin and rebellion, instead, were put to death by God. And not only did they not get to go into the Promised Land, but they did not get to enter into God’s eternal rest because of their disobedience, which God referred to as unbelief. And he referred to obedience as belief. And these things were written down for us so we don’t follow their example.

All of this has the same message. If we profess to be part of spiritual Israel, the body of Christ, by faith in Jesus Christ, but we do not bear spiritual fruit in keeping with repentance, and we do not abide in Christ, i.e. we do not obey him and his commandments, and so we do not conform to his will and purpose for our lives, and so we do not follow his leading, and so we do not continue in and remain in him, but we go our own way, instead, then he will throw us away unless we repent and we obey him in doing what he says.

Jesus taught it, and his New Testament apostles taught it, and we can read about this all throughout the New Testament writings. We cannot just claim that we are in Christ but then keep living in sin, and not in obedience to our Lord in walks of surrender to the will of God for our lives, and then expect God to forgive us of all sins and to let us into his heaven when we die. But sadly that is what many people are teaching and believing. But please know that is not the gospel taught by Jesus and by his New Testament apostles.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

So, believe and live the truth of God’s Word, and reject all of Satan’s lies.

Seek the Lord

Based off Isaiah 55
An Original Work / July 20, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
Musical Instrumentation by Mark Bradley


“Come to Me all you who thirst; come to waters.
Listen to Me, and eat what’s good today,
And your soul will delight in richest of fare.
Give ear to Me, and you will live.
I have made an eternal covenant with you.
Wash in the blood of the Lamb.”

Seek the Lord while He may be found; call on Him.
Let the wicked forsake his way, in truth.
Let him turn to the Lord, and he will receive mercy.
Freely, God pardons him.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,”
declares the Lord, our God.

“My word that goes out of My mouth is truthful.
It will not return to Me unfulfilled.
My word will accomplish all that I desire,
And achieve the goal I intend.
You will go in joy and be led forth in peace.
The mountains will burst into song… before you,
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Branches Not Bearing Fruit
An Original Work / December 9, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Daniel 9 ended 70 AD

The decree that went out had to be Nehemiah 2 20th year which went out on Nisan (abib in the torah) which was passover as Jesus in the NT is killed on passover. 445 BC decree goes out then 49 years later everything is rebuilt, all the Levites had come back from Babylon, and all the gold had come back from the Ezra 7 decree. Note most of those things happened by Nehemiah 12 time which takes place no longer than 12 years after the Nehemiah 2 decree as Nehemiah 3 is the 32nd year but maybe all the gold, and other people did not come back until around. 396 BC. From then until the messiah is cut off was 62 7s / 434 years or 483 years from the decree 445 BC. Converting 483 360 day years ends up with 476 solar years +25 days = around 32 AD. Can +- 1 maybe max 2 years either way. Persian chronology has a lot of sources, and is fixed pretty hard either way.

Daniel 9
[g] The people (the Roman army) of the ruler (either Jesus or Titus or Vespasian) who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary (Romans destroying Jerusalem 70 AD) . The end will come like a flood: (Jesus said 70 AD would be like Noahs flood; the Romans flooded in, and killed everyone) War will continue until the end (the end of the Mosaic age) , and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[h] In the middle of the ‘seven’[i] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[j] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[k]”[l]


Josephus says Eleazar Ben Hanania stopped the daily sacrifice the Judeans had been doing for the Romans 66 AD, and this angered the Romans, and was one of the main causes of the Judean Roman wars. So if this is what Dan meant the final 7 was 63-70 AD ending with the destruction of the temple. One of the Judean rebels must of put an abomination of desolation in the temple before 70 AD but it was not recorded, and by the sound of it made a covenant with the Romans or other Judeans that they broke also not recorded. Josephus says another daily sacrifice stopped 70 AD because of want of anyone to do it aka they were too busy fighting each other, and the Romans. If this is what Dan meant then the final 7 was 66-73 AD ending with the last of the Judean rebels killing themselves at Masada. 66-73 was the length of the Judean Roman wars anyway which was 7 years. By 73 AD all the people that killed Jesus had been killed by God using the Roman army as punishment for that bad sin just like Jesus said would happen multiple times " all the righteous blood shed on the earth will come upon this generation" etc, and there was no visible sign of the Mosaic covenant / the temple anymore. That was the end of OT Israel never to return ever again.


Exodus 29:38-39 is reference for the daily sacrifice. They had been doing it since Moses 1400 AD, and without that there was no forgiveness of sins for one day so it was a big deal when it stopped which it did in the Babylonian, and Maccabean period also.

Josephus

The Wars of the Jews, 2.408​

. And at this time it was that some of those that principally excited the people to go to war, made an assault upon a certain fortress called Masada. They took it by treachery, and slew the Romans that were there, and put others of their own party to keep it. At the same time Eleazar, the son of Ananias the high-priest, a very bold youth, who was at that time governor of the temple, persuaded those that officiated in the divine service to receive no gift or sacrifice for any foreigner. And this was the true beginning of our war with the Romans; for they rejected the sacrifice of Cæsar on this account: and when many of the high-priests and principal men besought them not to omit the sacrifice, which it was customary for them to offer for their princes, they would not be prevailed upon. These relied much upon their multitude, for the most flourishing part of the innovators assisted them; but they had the chief regard to Eleazar, the governor of the temple.

The Wars of the Jews, 6.93​


931. And now Titus gave orders to his soldiers that were with him to dig up the foundations of the tower of Antonia, and make him a ready passage for his army to come up; 94while he himself had Josephus brought to him (for he had been informed that on that very day, which was the seventeenth day of Panemus, [Tamuz,] the sacrifice called “the Daily Sacrifice” had failed, and had not been offered to God, for want of men to offer it, and that the people were grievously troubled at it)


After 70 AD if someone believed in Jesus then they are a Jew Israel of God Abrahams seed circumcized heir to Abrahams blessing. Romans 2 28 29, Galatians 6 16, 3 29, Romans 9 8, and other verses. So that is Christians. Or there was people saying they are Jews but lying they are the synagogue of satan. No other religions emerged after 70 AD. Either in covenant with the God of Abraham via belief in Jesus or nothing. 30-70 AD was the transition period from old to new but post 70 AD it was the end. The synagogue of satan could of looked at those prophecies in Dan 9 just after 70 AD, realised it ended with 70 AD realised the messiah had to come 483 years (even just using solar years, and not 360 day years) after that decree in Nehemiah 2 or Ezra 7 or any of the other two decrees, and realised it put an upper limit of the time frame by which the messiah had to come by, and therefore according to God they are without excuse for denying Jesus Christ as son of God savior. Christians should not be unequally yoked with their religion today, and the beast country in Revelation 13 that calls itself Israel but lies, and the mark of the beast is the hexagram.

Scholar warns feminism has become a ‘megachurch’ replacing faith, family and Christian virtue

Carrie Gress argues the movement functions as a secular megachurch targeting women with false promises​


An author of 11 books, including an upcoming title on feminism, says the movement has evolved into a kind of secular "megachurch" with its own doctrines, rituals and moral code — one that she argues now serves as a substitute for faith, family and traditional Christian virtue.

“Feminism actually is not a subset of Christianity. It's actually a rival to Christianity," Carrie Gress, a fellow at the Institute for Human Ecology at Catholic University of America, told Fox News Digital in a recent interview.

Gress is the author of the forthcoming book "Something Wicked: Why Feminism Can’t Be Fused With Christianity," which she says examines how feminism has "quietly captured the minds and hearts of women by mimicking aspects of Christianity. Through its own ‘commandments,’ ‘virtues,’ ‘evangelization,’ and even ‘a sacrament,’ feminism has become an exceedingly powerful megachurch."

“In many respects, it can actually be seen as a megachurch," Gress told Fox News Digital. "It has taken on so many of the aspects of Christianity."

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Adam

I know there are Christians out there that do not hold the view the first 11 chapters of Genesis are literal history, Adam was not literal, God did not create everything in 6 days ets...because the science disproves this.

If you do not believe in literal Adam, you then cannot believe in literal 2nd Adam, Jesus Christ the Saviour. Because if Adam did not exist, then the fall did not happen and there is no need for a Saviour.

You cannot believe in a metaphorical Adam and then believe in literal resurrection of Christ, the second Adam who came to fix what the first Adam broke. You also have problem explaining Romans 5:12-21

P.S. I know the view of metaphorical Adam is held by very few, but it has been bothering me deeply that people believe this, and I am studying Romans 5 and this is on my heart.
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With Respect...in Fellowship

I am a High Church Anglican, married for over twenty years to a man who survived severe mistreatment at a Catholic boarding school run by The Society of Jesus in the 1950's. My husband has been offerred an in person apology from the current Provincial Superior, and he is intending to travel to London to meet him on the 19th of December, in order to receive it.

My husband and I would both appreciate the prayers of any Catholic members of Christian Forums regarding this meeting, for his protection (and my own) as we prepare and travel, and especially for his first encounter with any Jesuit since he left school. I will be going to London with him, but he has said that he wishes to actually experience the meeting alone. This is the bravest thing I believe I have ever personally witnessed someone doing for the Christian faith, and I trust that some who are seeing this post can understand how I hope my life partner will feel Jesus' love and see true recognition of past wrongs.

No judgement of your Church is intended by this post, my own has as much to be ashamed of in terms of letting God down over children entrusted to it's care.

My son's medication

Please pray to God and ask Him if my son Jakeb's medicine will be called in and filled before he runs out. Please pray that I can know tomorrow so my anxiety stops and he won't go without. Please Dear God let it be filled tomorrow if it's Your will. I ask in the name of Jesus. Thank you and God bless you.

Good news: one of the smallest ozone holes in decades

This year’s ozone hole over Antarctica ranked among the smallest since the early 1990s, reflecting steady progress from decades of global action under the Montreal Protocol. Declining chlorine levels and warmer stratospheric temperatures helped limit ozone destruction. Scientists say the layer remains on track to recover later this century.

According to NOAA and NASA scientists, this year's measurements support the conclusion that restrictions on ozone-depleting chemicals set by the Montreal Protocol and its later amendments are steadily helping the ozone layer recover.
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Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Here are her writings:

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future—The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false sabbath in the place of the true, are thereby paying homage to that power by which alone it is commanded. The mark of the beast is the papal sabbath, which has been accepted by the world in the place of the day of God’s appointment. Ev 234.1
No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast. Ev 234.2
With rapid steps we are approaching this period. When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin.—Manuscript 51, 1899. Ev 235.1
When Seal of God Is Refused—If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls “My holy day,” you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God.—The Review and Herald, July 13, 1897. Ev 235.2
As a Result of Disregard of Light—God has given men the Sabbath as a sign between Him and them, as a test of their loyalty. Those who, after the light regarding God’s law comes to them, continue to disobey and exalt human laws above the law of God in the great crisis before us will receive the mark of the beast.—Letter 98, 1900. Ev 235.3
Caution in Presenting the Sunday Question—[We are] not to provoke those who have accepted this spurious sabbath, an institution of the Papacy in the place of God’s holy Sabbath. Their not having the Bible arguments in their favor makes them all the more angry and determined to supply the place of arguments that are wanting in the Word of God by the power of their might. The force of persecution follows the steps of the dragon. Therefore great care should be exercised to give no provocation.—Letter 55, 1886. Ev 235.4
Let the Truth Do the Cutting—Satan’s efforts against the advocates of the truth will wax more bitter and determined to the very close of time. As in Christ’s day the chief priests and rulers stirred up the people against Him, so today the religious leaders will excite bitterness and prejudice against the truth for this time. The people will be led to acts of violence and opposition which they would never have thought of had they not been imbued with the animosity of professed Christians against the truth. Ev 236.1
And what course shall the advocates of truth pursue? They have the unchangeable, eternal Word of God, and they should reveal the fact that they have the truth as it is in Jesus. Their words must not be rugged and sharp. In their presentation of truth they must manifest the love and meekness and gentleness of Christ. Let the truth do the cutting; the Word of God is as a sharp, two-edged sword, and will cut its way to the heart. Those who know that they have the truth should not, by the use of harsh and severe expressions, give Satan one chance to misinterpret their spirit.—The Review and Herald, October 14, 1902. Ev 236.2
A Call to Enlighten the Masses—I have been shown that Satan is stealing a march upon us. The law of God, through the agency of Satan, is to be made void. In our land of boasted freedom, religious liberty will come to an end. The contest will be decided over the Sabbath question, which will agitate the whole world. Ev 236.3
Our time for work is limited, and God calls us as ministers and people to be minutemen. Teachers as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves must come to the help of the Lord, to the help of the Lord against the mighty. There are many who do not understand the prophecies relating to these days, and they must be enlightened.—Letter 1, 1875. Ev 237.1


Is Ellen White correct? Are those that worship our Lord on Sunday doomed to receive the mark of the beast?
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Florida Man arrested in Polk County after claims of ‘dirty’ nuclear bomb in his truck; also several firearms, speed loaders, battering ram, NV goggles

On Dec. 5, officers responded to a report of a vehicle crash in a Publix parking lot.

When they arrived, they found a Chevy Silverado with 43-year-old Benjamin Donald Johnson behind the wheel. Johnson refused multiple commands by police to get out of the truck.

As Johnson sat the back of a police cruiser, an officer overheard Johnson says there was a “dirty bomb” in his truck. Officers found a yellow plastic container secured with chains and locks, with a radioactive warning label.

With the help of personnel from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, ATF, and an FBI bomb technician, it was advised that the device inside the container was a moisture density gauge, commonly used for soil testing. The experts said it emits less radioactivity than a medical X-ray.

A search of Johnson’s truck yielded several firearms and ammunition, firearm magazine speed loaders, thermal scopes, knives, a battering ram, night vision goggles, cannabis and gummies which tested positive for THC.

President Trump's message on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception

In her honor, and on a day so special to our Catholic citizens, we remember the sacred words that have brought aid, comfort, and support to generations of American believers in times of need:
Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Amen.

Georgia Man shot at young shopper outside Lowe’s he thought was stealing. He thought he should be rewarded, witness says

“I saw a white male shooting at another person, a Black male,” said Michael Starks, who was in the parking lot when the shooting happened. “He could have hit him in the back, could have killed him, could have had a stray bullet that struck someone else.”

Police say 64-year-old Steven Douglas Wagner pulled a pistol and fired near the garden center around 3 p.m. at the store on Atlanta Highway.

A Lowe’s employee told police the young man had not stolen anything, according to Starks.

Starks called 911 and followed Wagner back into the store and snapped a photo that helped police make an arrest within minutes.

He said Wagner’s demeanor was concerning.

“He honestly thought he did nothing wrong and should have been rewarded for his actions,” Starks said.

Asking AI to explain Sunday observance when NT has no such command

First question to AI:
Using strict rules, “Is there any NT text that calls for weekly Sunday worship, or is the only explicit weekly pattern that of Sabbath preaching in Acts 18:4?”​


(AI confirms that there is no command to observe week-day-1 as a day of worshiip/rest etc)

Second Question to AI
Using strict rules, Given that we see not one new testament text saying that Sunday is the Lord’s day and not one text saying that the New Testament church met very Sunday for communion or for worship and not one statement that the term Sabbath is applied to Sunday, how do we get to the point today where the common view is that the new testament says Sunday is the Lord's day, they met every Sunday for gospel preaching and worship. ?​
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Trump’s Own Mortgages Match His Description of Mortgage Fraud, Records Reveal


For months, the Trump administration has been accusing its political enemies of mortgage fraud for claiming more than one primary residence.
President Donald Trump branded one foe who did so “deceitful and potentially criminal.” He called another “CROOKED” on Truth Social and pushed the attorney general to take action.
But years earlier, Trump did the very thing he’s accusing his enemies of, records show.
In 1993, Trump signed a mortgage for a “Bermuda style” home in Palm Beach, Florida, pledging that it would be his principal residence. Just seven weeks later, he got another mortgage for a seven-bedroom, marble-floored neighboring property, attesting that it too would be his principal residence.
In reality, Trump, then a New Yorker, does not appear to have ever lived in either home, let alone used them as a principal residence. Instead, the two houses, which are next to his historic Mar-a-Lago estate, were used as investment properties and rented out, according to contemporaneous news accounts and an interview with his longtime real estate agent — exactly the sort of scenario his administration has pointed to as evidence of fraud.
Every accusation is a confession.

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