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Pre-Existence Memories

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I have several memories of being in heaven before I was born. I never "remembered" these; I have just never forgotten them.

I have looked *all* across the internet for similar experiences, but all I get are new age reincarnation sites.

I do not believe I've been previously "carnated." What I'm looking for are memories of life either as a baby before birth, or a spiritual existence before being born.

If you have stories, please post them.


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"Beseige him, frustrate him, distract his development, kill him if possible, but cripple him at all costs-that was their plan."
 

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I had those too ever since I was a baby, my favourite one is of the Father and and he's smiling...

Mine are all mostly bad! I wasn't a very good "person" and I remember arguing with Him. I remember being very sad.

And people who look like us but glow and alot of soldiers with gold and titanium armor and I'm mostly with them...it looks almost futuristic...

Ah! I want to either cry or shout for joy! Yes, what I remember, parts of it seemed castle-ish and other parts seemed futuristic. I remember wearing "armor", but it was a part of me somehow, tied to either my emotions or actions.

I *have* looked within and I have remembered all I can remember. But still it makes me sad, because I'm remembering something that doesn't exist in the same way any more. I know the people I knew then/there, and they're not the same here on earth.

I posted this topic because I thought if I found other people who also remembered heaven, it might make me feel a little less homesick.

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Topic.

I have several memories of being in heaven before I was born. I never "remembered" these; I have just never forgotten them.

I have looked *all* across the internet for similar experiences, but all I get are new age reincarnation sites.

I do not believe I've been previously "carnated." What I'm looking for are memories of life either as a baby before birth, or a spiritual existence before being born.

If you have stories, please post them.


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"Beseige him, frustrate him, distract his development, kill him if possible, but cripple him at all costs-that was their plan."
This sounds awfully similar to the belief of the Church of Jesus Christ Later Day Saints.
 
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::sigh::

No matter how many times I try to make my point, people always seem to think I'm talking about reincarnation:

I would be really careful here...you are getting into teaching that is against the Bible. Reincarnation is a lie from the enemy and so are the "memories" of past lives. Please carefully pray about this.

But, as I said:

I do not believe I've been previously "carnated." What I'm looking for are memories of life either as a baby before birth, or a spiritual existence before being born.

I don't know if reincarnation is a lie from the enemy so much as thinking being born again and again can set you free. But I myself agree-I can see no reason for reincarnation, or any biblical proof of its mention or necessity.

But I will not be afraid to post this, and I will not hide what I believe or apologize for remembering it. If I'm being deceived, then I need to know, and who better for our Lord to use than my brothers and sisters? Second, if this is a type of dark lie, then maybe exposing it will wither it away.

I remember being-something extremely powerful, like a force of nature or something akin to the roman thought of a "god." I don't know if I was an "angel", but I was a son of God. I was poisoned by sin, and dying. I was very weak from this. I was going to be born, and there were others with me, following me, who were going to do the same. A man with blonde hair told me that He (God, not this man) would make a way for me to "try to help set things right." He explained Jesus to me, and I told him I thought the idea of "God's son" was lame. He asked if I was going to rebel again, and I told him 'no', but that I couldn't just forget everything that had happened. At no time did I speak with God, though I felt He was listening.

Some of the other gods/goddesses (no other word can describe them!) there, I've met here.

-Let me stop, because I know everyone's going to freak out at the word 'god'. I do not imply that these people were meant to be worshipped, but that they were so powerful and so like children of God Almighty. For example, one of the women on my right was a 'goddess' because of her love for others. This is what made her so beautiful, so glorious. There is no way to explain it, because there's nothing here like it. Nothing has ever compared to the power in one or two of these entities, myself especially.

Anyway. I've always remembered this-my earliest memory here is of being in a baby swing, and this comes before that. But some of the people in my life, as I met them, I knew to be these entities.

Waiting for a reply.

edit: thank you though, for your concern. I've hunted through my soul for any remaining flicker of deception, twenty times over, and I can find no fault with this one. It withstands any honest attack I put it through.
 
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I believe the Bible says that man is appointed to live but once then die...I'll have to look the verse up. But I know this is not what you are talking about.

One thing we can say from what the Bible says is that Jesus spirit was in Heaven from the beginning, long before He was placed on earth as a man. This is more in line with what you are talking about. You aren't claiming that you lived a life, went to Heaven, then were put back on earth. You are asking about your spirit existing in Heaven prior to being placed in a body on earth.

This is something I've wondered at as well...I really can't say that I've ever come to any conclusions about it. The Bible has some pretty clear evidence that this was the case with Jesus. But the rest of us aren't Jesus. I'm not familiar with the Bible mentioning anything about anyone else's spirit existing in Heaven prior to being placed in a body on earth. That doesn't mean its not there, it means I'm not familiar with it. I'm interested to see if anyone can support this one way or the other. Interesting topic!
 
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I had *no* idea what life on earth would be like. As a baby, I remember thinking that God had decided to curse me, I mistakenly believed I was cursed because I couldn't 'move right'. Really, i was just a baby and hadn't learned my coordination yet.

As a baby, I also sometimes went back to this place (I don't think it's heaven) to talk with this 'man' again. Whenever i did, i "woke up" extremely disoriented.

I've never been told in these things not to talk about it. This man was very strongly for God and showed no fear in telling me I was wrong-very different from the occultish "love, love, love" rubbish I know Satan preaches.
 
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I had *no* idea what life on earth would be like. As a baby, I remember thinking that God had decided to curse me, I mistakenly believed I was cursed because I couldn't 'move right'. Really, i was just a baby and hadn't learned my coordination yet.

As a baby, I also sometimes went back to this place (I don't think it's heaven) to talk with this 'man' again. Whenever i did, i "woke up" extremely disoriented.

I've never been told in these things not to talk about it. This man was very strongly for God and showed no fear in telling me I was wrong-very different from the occultish "love, love, love" rubbish I know Satan preaches.
So are you saying that the soul was actually born along with the physical birth and this was while the physical developement was going on? Or was it like this place had been home for awhile with you in another state of being, then you were put into the body of a baby, which seemed awkward and weird?

I don't have any answers for you on this...not right now anyway, maybe with some sleep, studying, and pondering. Right now I'm just interested, and curious about the experience.
 
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Hi Kol

I wasn't going to answer your topic... Well, maybe I was going to ask if you, or your immediate family had been involved in the occult at any time. I didn't answer, but then I saw another of your posts which says you were involved in the occult for about 10 years, and what you continue to experience.

To me your whole story sounded like the fallen angels which did rebel against God... There are such things as "familiar spirits" which of course know about this past / your family's past too. Those spirits can of course make you think it was you. (To me), this is certainly not of God.

I don't know if you have spent quality time in the Word, or with God, but I would strongly urge (as your brother!) that you do, and ask God to reveal the things in your life that would still be causing the things you still experience, with repentance of the past and renewing your mind with His Word. Prayer / spending time with God can break those things off your life and allow God's truth, peace and direction to come in.

God bless.
 
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Yeah, I was pretty heavy into that stuff. 'Bout to make another post along those lines.

I make it no secret that I fell for those things...the one thing I want to do more than anything is to make people aware of how easy it is to be taken advantage of, concerning these experiences and entities. Also, I believe there needs to be more public awareness in the Christian community concerning these things. I've heard it claimed that children whose parents talk to them about drugs are 50% less likely to try them. Perhaps we would have similar results if "Satan's so-called deep mysteries" were discussed as well.

I have experienced several types of "spirits." Two were demonic. One was angelic, though "evil." One, the blonde-haired fellow here, is something not human, but seems close to the Father in some way. What the other "people" in this memory were is indescribeable. There also seems to be some type of "spirit" that is not human, but more like an animal or complex of emotions/feelings. There are even "alien" spirits (those things are *not* aliens), which seems to be a type of glorified human being. I have seen much. It is mostly all bad.

This experience however, still seems genuine. I've been out of that filth for about 4 years now, reckoned from the day I threw away my last Tarot deck. For some reason, I still continue to experience ESP, empathy/mind"reading", and out-of-body experiences. I have prayed on several occasions about these things. I told our Father that just as David said, "apart from the Lord, I will have no good thing", so would I. If this "gift", as the new-agers are so fond of calling it, were from anyone but my Lord and His Spirit, I *did not* want it. It remains.

There is something I want you to understand though, and this is done best by explaining about the "reading" that a "psychic" does. As you may well know, a true psychic reading is done with a "familiar", a spirit that can see spiritual things and reports to the "medium", (the new-ager) what it sees. You then listen to your subconscious mind to "hear" these things. This is how I *tried* to see my little visions. Well, for me now, that familiar is gone, vacated by our Lord's Spirit. All these things I still experience...they all halt at the point that spirit would have been at. It's like the line was set up, and although only my end remains, I can still pick things up by it. Hope this makes sense. So I'm not still communing with that filth, but the door doesn't shut.

:sigh:

As I said, I knew these things as a baby. If I was cohabited and got the memory from a fallen angel, it would had to have happened before I was even a year old. Quite possible. However, my OBEs *now* back up the image of my self in THIS memory. I have changed, but some things remain the same. The blonde-haired fellow as well appears once in a great while, in my "dreams." When I was once close to immorality, he showed up to very strongly warn me not to. He called it adultery and treason against God. That was less than a year ago. What's more, I know some of the people from this experience. One is my sister; one, her first boyfriend; one an ex-girlfriend, and one, her brother. These are the same spirits in these people as were in "heaven" with that bitter man so long ago.

I'm very interested in replies to this. I'm going to try now to set up a topic on what happened to me in Arkansas that help shake me out of the occult to begin with. If you feel you can help me or talk with me about these things, please stay around.

May this all be for God's glory.
-david
 
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So are you saying that the soul was actually born along with the physical birth and this was while the physical developement was going on? Or was it like this place had been home for awhile with you in another state of being, then you were put into the body of a baby, which seemed awkward and weird?

I was in a spiritual body, dying-tainted, because of my sins. It felt like gasoline had been mixed in with water, and I felt "rusted". I was then put into the body of a baby.
 
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I make it no secret that I fell for those things...
Good because that helps with your healing... and others too as it becomes your testimony. We have all sinned in one way or another and in need of Jesus.

the one thing I want to do more than anything is to make people aware of how easy it is to be taken advantage of, concerning these experiences and entities.
You're right. It can be very attractive, but it's a snare. I at one point had interest in occult practices, but thankfully (to God) didn't go down that road too far.

I have experienced several types of "spirits." Two were demonic. One was angelic, though "evil."
2 Corinthians 11:14 ...Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light

There are even "alien" spirits (those things are *not* aliens), which seems to be a type of glorified human being
I've always believed that aliens/UFO type things are demonic, but not looked at it much, until very recently. To be honest, I would have thought of such people as a bit la-la. But this really is a new age practice - and it's communicating with demons. You may want to look at the "Alien Abduction Crisis Centres of America"! It was started by a guy who came from the new age and UFOs etc to a born again relationship with Jesus and ministers to people who have come from that same background. It's at http://www.aaccoa.org/ Again... not so long ago I would have thought "Oh boy! What a bunch of crazies"... Sorry... but not after hearing some stories from them and how it really is demonic.

This experience however, still seems genuine. I've been out of that filth for about 4 years now, reckoned from the day I threw away my last Tarot deck. For some reason, I still continue to experience ESP, empathy/mind"reading", and out-of-body experiences. I have prayed on several occasions about these things. I told our Father that just as David said, "apart from the Lord, I will have no good thing", so would I. If this "gift", as the new-agers are so fond of calling it, were from anyone but my Lord and His Spirit, I *did not* want it. It remains.
I can't just say what's gone on in your life, or where you're at with God, what God's doing in your life etc... but (and it's a touchy issue) Christians can still be under the influence of demons. After all, Satan goes about seeking whom he may devour. You may want to post in the deliverance section of this forum...? I know from my life experiences that just because I want to be rid of something in life and it doesn't go even though I'm praying "Lord if it's not of you, then take it away" and it stays... it doesn't mean it's a Godly thing. It just means I need to go deeper into God. Spend quality time in prayer, Bible, worship, probably fasting etc etc. It's serious stuff being a Christian!

As I said, I knew these things as a baby. If I was cohabited and got the memory from a fallen angel, it would had to have happened before I was even a year old. Quite possible.
Yes it is. Were your parents involved in the occult as far as you know, or was it brought into your home? This can be even before you were born.

Do you still hold on to any occultic material such as books, videos, anything....?

God bless...
 
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So sleepy...

No, as far as I know, I've gotten rid of anything occultish. Ya know, I wrote a testimonial for the christian college i'm going to be going to...if you're interested, i could email it to you. Yeah, strange stuff...its real. I don't know how to say where I am in my relationship with the Lord; how do you put it into words? More tomorrow, so sleepy.

May the peacefullness of our Lord Christ Jesus be with you, friend.
 
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Found this article..thought it might be helpful:


http://www.watch.pair.com/eth-s.html


PRE-EXISTENCE OF SOULS

Gwen Shaw denounces in no uncertain terms the doctrine of reincarnation, but promotes a variation of it which is found in Mormon doctrine and the Jewish Kabbalah—the pre-existence of souls. Here is an example of Shaw’s complete reversal of the meaning of Scripture. She interprets Job 38:4 as God “reminding” Job of his preexistence, rather than declaring just the opposite.

“And when God saw this light He said, ‘IT”S A NEW DAY!’…It was the origin of all God’s creational works… You and I were there that day to see it, but we don’t remember. However, God tried to remind Job when He said, ‘Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? …When the morning stars sang together and all the Sons of God shouted for joy! (Job 38:4,7)’ Some day we will remember what we saw on that glorious day of splendor and beauty…” (Love, The Law of the Angels, p. 133)

To arrive at her private interpretation, Gwen Shaw disregarded the rest of verse 4: “…declare, if thou hast understanding” as well as verses 18-21 in which God put Job in his place as a later creation and not one of the “sons of the morning” or angels: “Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all… Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?” God is reminding Job of his mortality and limited knowledge, to which Job responds by acknowledging his ignorance of God’s creative act: “…therefore have I uttered that I understood not.” (Job 42:2)

In Ye Are Gods, Mormon mystic Annalee Skarin presented the same Gnostic doctrine of the pre-existence of souls as the “sparks” of the Divine Spirit or Light;

“But this great ‘Light of Truth’ or ‘Spirit of Truth’ or ‘light of Christ,’ of which we are a part, and were a part, even from the beginning (and there is no beginning, and no end), existed long before that time. For we too were with God before the works of creation began, ‘The Spirit of Truth.’… The light of life, or spark of the Divine Spirit of Christ, is the original source of our existence.” (Ye Are Gods, p. 211)
The following excerpt from Gwen Shaw’s book Going Home also indicates her belief in a pre-existence of human spirits who came to earth from Heaven.
“It was with joy that the angels accompanied our spirits from Heaven, as our spirits entered the beginning of our earthly existence when the spark of ‘God-life’ came into our as yet unformed bodies in the moment of our conception.” (Gwen Shaw, Going Home)
A former Mormon, Jane Bleth, explains the doctrine of pre-existence as taught in Mormonism, and that humans were formerly angels and will become angels again:
“Angels to Mormons are only dead or not yet born humans. They aren’t a separate creation. We all had a pre-existence, being born in spirit form to ‘heavenly father and mother,’ Jesus being the elder son, making him our elder brother. According to how one lived in the pre-existence determines their status on earth. Lucifer and 1/3 of the spirits rebelled and can never come and gain a body, which is a must in the order of eternal progression. Adam transgressed God’s commandment in order to fulfill a greater purpose. They think there could have been no pro-creation if Adam and Eve had not eaten the forbidden fruit. All of the pre-existent spirit children needed to take up a body of flesh and bones and pass thru a period of testing in order to progress to exaltation as the ‘father’ had. God was once a man and passed thru the same progression to exaltation where he obtained his godhood with his wives, who bore all of the spirit children, who must in turn also pass thru the process to exaltation/godhood.”
The false doctrine of the pre-existence of souls or spirits allows fallen angels to present themselves to human beings as their deceased friends, or ancestors, or famous people who have a message from God, or to present themselves as “spirit guides.” These fallen angels often present themselves as “Jesus.” This abomination is referred to in Scripture as having or consulting “familiar spirits.”
“There shall not be found among you…a consulter with familiar spirits.” Deut. 18:11

A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones. Their blood shall be upon them." Lev. 20:27
 
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