gentiles to keep from profaning the Sabbath -- even in the OT Sabbath made for mankind

[HARK!]

Isa 66 is not to be taken literal, it contains prophetic language about the last days. it's not about in the New Earth.

I'm sorry. I thought that I had already shown you this:


Exodus 31
12 YAHWEH said to Moshe, 13 Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘You are to observe my Shabbats; for this is a sign between me and you through all your generations; so that you will know that I am YAHWEH, who sets you apart for me. 17 It is a sign between me and the people of Isra’el forever; for in six days ADONAI made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he stopped working and rested.’

 

[topher694]

Wow, this thread is hilarious. Especially when the strict interpreters of the Sabbath actually violate the Sabbath while arguing about the Sabbath several consecutive Sabbaths.

 

[HARK!]

Wow, this thread is hilarious. Especially when the strict interpreters of the Sabbath actually violate the Sabbath while arguing about the Sabbath several consecutive Sabbaths.

Proclaiming YHWH's word on Shabbat is not a violation of Shabbat.

 

[topher694]

Proclaiming YHWH's word on Shabbat is not a violation of Shabbat.

No, it's not. But bickering about it online is.

 

[HARK!]

No, it's not. But bickering about it online is.

Proclaiming the truth of YHWH and his Shabbat is not bickering.


bick·er
/ˈbikər/
verb

1. argue about petty and trivial matters:

 

[topher694]

Proclaiming the truth of YHWH and his Shabbat is not bickering.

Then I guess the folks here haven't been proclaiming much truth.

 

[pasifika]

I'm sorry. I thought that I had already shown you this:


Exodus 31
12 YAHWEH said to Moshe, 13 Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘You are to observe my Shabbats; for this is a sign between me and you through all your generations; so that you will know that I am YAHWEH, who sets you apart for me. 17 It is a sign between me and the people of Isra’el forever; for in six days ADONAI made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he stopped working and rested.’

This probably the same people God said "they would never enter My rest...

Hebrews 3:16-19...Who were they who heard and rebelled? were "they" not all those Moses led out of Egypt? And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was is not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness?

And to whom did God swear that "They" Would Never enter His Rest, if not to those who disobeyed?

So We see that "THEY" were Not able to enter, because of their unbelief...

Who are "they" which those verse were referring to?
Are not the same people whom you quoted from in Exodus 31....

 

[Kenobi]

In the book of Ruth, when Boaz gave her six measures of meal (the gentile), Naomi translated that for her saying that Boaz will not rest until this matter is finished. Because in 6 days, God worked, and on the 7th he rested.

I've been praying about the Sabbath a lot, I hear about things like this and am reminded of what Paul says about the Lord's day, which I'm sure is talked about here already... But in the OP, if you replace "Sabbath" with "Rest", it seems to fit. So is this talking about a day of the week? Or something more? Hebrews talks about entering God's rest. Are we not to profane His rest? The Kingdom and Eternity he has in store for us?

Or are we not to profane a day of the week?

 

[HARK!]

This probably the same people God said "they would never enter My rest...

The lawless? I do believe you are correct.

Hebrews 4:11
Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it

Hebrews 3:16-19...Who were they who heard and rebelled? were "they" not all those Moses led out of Egypt? And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was is not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness?

Heard what? Rebelled against what?

Sinned?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin, is doing LAWLESSNESS also, and sin is LAWLESSNESS.

And to whom did God swear that "They" Would Never enter His Rest, if not to those who disobeyed?

You mean Israel?

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

And to whom did God swear that "They" Would Never enter His Rest, if not to those who disobeyed?

Disobeyed what? YHWH's law?

Hebrews 4:11
Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it

So We see that "THEY" were Not able to enter, because of their unbelief...

(CLV) Ja 2:22
You are observing that faith worked together with his works, and by works was faith perfected.

Who are "they" which those verse were referring to?
Are not the same people whom you quoted from in Exodus 31....

Israel?


(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

 

[Jesse Johnson]

Don't worry with Bob Cribstyl. In his heaven a few other things will happen:

17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.

24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Yep, in Bob's new Earth if he is lucky he will live as long as some trees. The babies he produces will live to be one hundred. And the sinner that makes it to one hundred won't have God's blessing. The serpent will be there too and his food will be dust. Punishment in Bob's heaven? Death in Bob's heaven?

Oh yes, something else that bothers me about Isaiah's narrative is that in verse 17 Bob won't remember the past, but in Is 66 Bob will, in verse 24, go out after the Sabbath worship service and will see the dead bodies of those who have rebelled against God
"For the worms that devour them will never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by will view them with utter horror.”

Bob gets to remember once a week and on his new moon celebrations what Isaiah said in chapter 65 verse 17 he will not remember. Go figure that one out Bobby. Anyone that has the ability to read knows Is 65 and 66 is not the heaven God has prepared for those who believe in Jesus and love their fellow man as Jesus loves us.

I can't believe your incredibly rude, arrogant and bitter posts are allowed to continue. I would hate to have to answer for your warring against God's commandments at the bar of Christ. You laugh conscientious believers to scorn and think you are doing God service. May He have mercy on your soul for all the work you've done to bring down the blood-stained banner of Prince Immanuel.

 

[Bob S]

Well hello Jessie, Nice to have you here posting. I am sure you will set some of us straight even when you do not know the real facts.

I would like to remind you that Is 66:23 is a SDA proof text. Bob uses that text to pound Sabbath keeping to all of us who do not believe we are under the old covenant law. If SDAs are going to use that one verse as proof that I am required to observe a day given only to Israel then it is appropriate that you understand that all the verses in Isaiah that pertain to "the new earth" be recognized also. Those verses are found in Is 65 and 66. If pointing out what I did offends you so much that you would call me rude, arrogant and bitter it would be wise if you would study those verses and see if they fit what you have learned about the the new earth. An apology would be fitting, but that rarely ever happens from SDAs.

Your avatar is well noted. "People who think they know everything are just a little scary to me.
They also annoy those of us who actually do." There is an old saying and I believe it has some truth in it. "It takes one to call one" I know SDAs feel that they know it all, I was one for nearly 40 years. I had a lot to learn and a whole lot to unload.

Stay around, you might just learn a thing or two from us arrogant, rude and bitter people that you believe are going to Hell because we don't observe the day you think we are obligated to keep.

 

[Jesse Johnson]

Well hello Jessie, Nice to have you here posting. I am sure you will set some of us straight even when you do not know the real facts.
I would like to remind you that Is 66:23 is a SDA proof text. Bob uses that text to pound Sabbath keeping to all of us who do not believe we are under the old covenant law. If SDAs are going to use that one verse as proof that I am required to observe a day given only to Israel then it is appropriate that you understand that all the verses in Isaiah that pertain to "the new earth" be recognized also. Those verses are found in Is 65 and 66. If pointing out what I did offends you so much that you would call me rude, arrogant and bitter it would be wise if you would study those verses and see if they fit what you have learned about the the new earth. An apology would be fitting, but that rarely ever happens from SDAs.
Your avatar is well noted. "People who think they know everything are just a little scary to me.
They also annoy those of us who actually do." There is an old saying and I believe it has some truth in it. "It takes one to call one" I know SDAs feel that they know it all, I was one for nearly 40 years. I had a lot to learn and a whole lot to unload.
Stay around, you might just learn a thing or two from us arrogant, rude and bitter people that you believe are going to Hell because we don't observe the day you think we are obligated to keep.

That first post was just meant to be an attention-getter. I do not believe you're going to hell. I believe God will save you from yourself somehow. You have all Adventists pigeon-holed in your mind. None of us know the "real facts" like you do. My signature line is a gag (An avatar is a picture used to represent a user, btw). But I dare you to deny that you mock us for sport. You speak as if you were part of a group. No one on this forum treats Adventists the way you do and you know it. And it's not right. I don't care if you were an Adventist for 80 years. And I'm well aware of the proper (non-rocket science) exegesis of Isaiah ch. 65&66. An expert like you should know that literal and symbolic language is nearly always co-existent in prophecy. So I don't need any schooling on the Bible from a scoffer who doesn't even believe in the reliability and inspiration of divine revelation. Peter's remarks about Paul's writing is merely his own opinion and not inspired, right? (Be honest with yourself. When you first left the church, do you think you would have believed then that you would ever take a position like that?) You don't have to be a member to read these forums, you know. I've been choking on your swill for a long time. And after actually participating for few days, I'm good and ready to sign off from this pluralismfest. I've avoided addressing you up to now, because I knew it would probably get me banned. Just wanted you to know before I left that you're not fooling anybody. All anyone has to do is search for your username to see what your business is here. You're here to get "Sabbath salespeople" fired, right? You want me to apologize for tellin' it like it is? That's pretty funny. If you weren't so bitter and had your head on straight, you'd realize that even if Adventists were wrong, we still wouldn't be the greatest threat to the Gospel. Sayonara, Bob S. I'm from Roane County (Harriman/Rockwood) if you ever wanna come sit a spell. I still say God will smarten you up yet.
P. S. One more thing: I can get my email address to you if you want a real, honest-to-goodness Bible study on the Pre-Advent Judgment (no Ellen White). Or if you don't want to take from me (I understand), this is a really good one:
A History of Dissent Regarding the Sanctuary - AudioVerse

And the saying is "It takes one to know one." If there's one that's worded as you say, Google sure isn't aware of it.

 

[Bob S]

Hi Jessie, it is good that you have been trailing me for quite some time. I am curious how you will be able to get your Email address to me unless you start a conversation on the forum.
When I first started posting on forums I did have some bitterness toward the church's teachings. Never have I had any bitterness toward the membership. Many have graced our home here in the mountains of beautiful Tennessee. We have taken trips with Our SDA friends and often visit in their homes. So, it appears that you have a wrong profile of me and my intent. I do not intend to defend, anymore than I have, what I write exposing the fallacies of Adventism. Your intimidating me is your problem, not mine. If you believe what you wrote will, in any way, change what I write about the Sabbath and the law then think again. Rather than tell me and provide any evidence that what I write is wrong I find that most of my critics would rather try the intimidation approach. I admit I am humored when I read some of the posts addressing me or others that have come to a similar conclusion concerning the doctrines of the SDA church. When backed into a corner and have no recourse except to trash us that is exactly what happens.

Back to my SDA friends. In all of the over twenty years since leaving the church only three of brothers and sisters of the church have ever approached me about leaving. None have ever ask me why I left. One accused me of not wanting to pay tithe and not wanting to "keep" Sabbath. One believes Ellen White's writings are infallible and when I pointed out some very obvious errors the answer was Oh blarney. The third one a pastor friend that called and invited me to his new church. I thanked him and then told him I was no longer SDA his response was "well you are still keeping Sabbath aren't you" and the conversation ended shortly after. I guess when we leave the church they believe it is because we are disgruntled, it couldn't be over doctrines.

Thank you for your offer to study the IJ. I presume you have bought in do the doctrine hook, line and sinker and I am wondering why you would want to leave Ellen out of the conversation? Jesus says he knows His sheep and I trust Him in culling those who do not believe He is Savior and do not love their fellow man. The IJ and the shut door were/are cover-ups from the great disappointment.

 

[summerville]

I agree that obedience comes from faith - if we believe God, we will obey his commandments. Hebrews 11 describes how the champions of faith showed their faith via works.

the Israelites did not believe in God, thus they disobeyed his commandments, and were scattered around the world.

Oh Brother. Palestine was a hardscrabble place, stony and arid, lacking pasture. That's why the Jews were leaving as early as the 5th century BC. By the birth of Christ more Jews lived outside Palestine than in it.

 

[BobRyan]

Back to my SDA friends. In all of the over twenty years since leaving the church only three of brothers and sisters of the church have ever approached me about leaving. None have ever ask me why I left. .

"leaving"??

You once said on this board that you still attend the SDA church - as a way to spread your views that are not in harmony with church acceptance of Bible doctrine... has that changed?

 

[BobRyan]

That first post was just meant to be an attention-getter. I do not believe you're going to hell. I believe God will save you from yourself somehow. You have all Adventists pigeon-holed in your mind. None of us know the "real facts" like you do. My signature line is a gag

That's pretty funny in itself.

Hi Jesse - welcome to the forum.

My signature line is not a gag --

 

[BobRyan]

When I first started posting on forums I did have some bitterness toward the church's teachings.

It is not often that you and I can agree on something that you post -- but at that point I think we do find agreement.

 

[BobRyan]

I would like to remind you that Is 66:23 is a SDA proof text.

For the rest of us -- it is scripture.

it says "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.

It gets referenced each time someone speculates that the Sabbath was not intended "for all mankind".

Bob uses that text to pound Sabbath keeping

Never to "pound Sabbath keeping" -- I leave that to "others".

I use it to bring up that "inconvenient detail" each time someone repeats and attempt to speculate that the Sabbath was not intended "for all mankind".

If SDAs are going to use that one verse as proof that I am required to observe a day given only to Israel

Now see? It did not take long at all for someone to ignore the inconvenient details we see in Isaiah 66:23 so as to speculate that the 4th Commandment Sabbath is "day given only to Israel " without even addressing the "detail" in the text that flat out refutes that speculation.

So "obvious" a detail that almost all Christian denominations on planet Earth admit to it.
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I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments (all TEN) for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

 

[BobRyan]

. Many have graced our home here in the mountains of beautiful Tennessee. We have taken trips with Our SDA friends and often visit in their homes. .

I have to admit that in all the years I have spent attending Adventist Churches in Tennessee I don't think I have met you...

No wait.. did you attend a church in Cleveland at one time?

 

[Cribstyl]

For the rest of us -- it is scripture.

it says "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.

It gets referenced each time someone speculates that the Sabbath was not intended "for all mankind".

Yes, that's abuse of scriptures. Why not post the whole text?
You've edited the text beyond recognition or truth. Here's the text below.
Isa 66:23
And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.
My comments is that God is prophesying the frequency when men will worship Him during the last days on on earth.
Question: Is God saying All mankind will be keeping the Sabbath forever?
You don't explain that " one New Moon to another" spells out a time period of a month.
You don't explain that "one Sabbath to another" spells out a time period of a week.
You've added "all mankind" to replace all flesh so you can edit.
You've added all eternity.
You've added after the cross.

Never to "pound Sabbath keeping" -- I leave that to "others".

I use it to bring up that "inconvenient detail" each time someone repeats and attempt to speculate that the Sabbath was not intended "for all mankind".

Blind ambition for sure.