The Sabbath is more than just a day of rest; it is the sign of God's covenant and His seal of authority over His people

[trophy33]

Where in the Ten Commandments does it say one can’t pick up their mat? This was the law of the Pharisees, not God’s law.

The author of the book of Jeremiah was a Pharisee and was not inspired?

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[DamianWarS]

Do you have anything constructive to add to this thread?

the way we approach one perpetual covenant should be the same as the way we approach another perpetual covenant. If it's constructive or not depends on your perspective but it's at least a critical way of looking at it.

I'm not interested in ignoring things that don't fit and it is a like comparison. If sabbath then why not circumcision? Or if spiritual circumcision then why not also spiritual sabbath?

Is there a heuristic that we can apply to both of how we can value them the same way?

 

[DamianWarS]

In context what was Jesus doing? Helping the sick. As if leaving them to suffer would ever be a sin. It was never a sin to do good on the Sabbath using the examples set forth from the Bible.

In context he gives us an example of how the priest desecrate the sabbath, how David and his men ate consecrated bread (which was not lawful) yet both groups are innocent. Jesus shows again how resucing trapped sheep in pits is also lawful and also the direct context of healing on the Sabbath. His words he uses to sum these things up is "Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." (Mat 12:12)

If we are to look deeper we would know sheep metaphorically can be applied to the lost. So pulling the spiritually lost out of their spiritual pits on the Sabbath is then implicitly called good and is also lawful.

But this isn't the only time this is mentioned. Mat 22:37-40, Gal 5:14, 6:2, Jam 2:8, Rom 13:8-10, John 13:34-35. Ergo, goodness is a mechanism for lawful practice.

 

[BobRyan]

Where is there any mention of the 7th day Sabbath in Isaiah 66:22-23? There were many different sabbaths. Paul said that we are not to be judged for not observing them. You can claim that he didn’t mean the 7th day but you can’t actually demonstrate that he didn’t mean it.

"from Sabbath to Sabbath" was a known regular cycle of worship in Isaiah's day - Isaiah's readers would have known about it.

Very different from "from year to year" as you seem to imply we must read it.

 

[DamianWarS]

Paul contradicts Jesus and the Apostles, the original 11! , Paul had not the authority to reverse what GOD, Jesus ordained.

Gal 1:11-12
I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

 

[BobRyan]

Interesting post. Thanks
As you point out - the Sabbath is kept for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth

• Isaiah 66:22-23 (NKJV) – “For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord, “so shall your descendants and your name remain. And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.”

No wonder they had new Testament Gospel preaching "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4 to both gentiles and Jews
No wonder it is gentiles in the Synagogue asking for more gospel preaching to be scheduled for them "NEXT Sabbath" Acts 13

Yeah well when you’re called to preach the gospel to all nations what better time and place to preach it than in the synagogues when they’re full of people who have been taught the prophecies of the Messiah?

Its the gentiles - not the jews - asking for more gospel preaching to be scheduled for them "the NEXT Sabbath" in Acts 13. And on that next Sabbath "almost the entire town turns up"

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Good point

True

Not sure what you are talking about.

Paul tells Jews to be careful about eating meat offered to idols even though Jews know that idols are nothing, but the newly converted pagans - converted from paganism to Christianity, still held to the idea that an idol "Was something" like a competing deity.

God clearly commanded His people to have nothing to do with idols or anything associated with them. In the Ten Commandments, God says:
"You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God." (Exodus 20:3-5, NKJV)
This commandment forbids not only worshiping idols but also participating in anything connected to them. In the law given through Moses, God further states:

"You shall not eat anything that dies of itself; you may give it to the alien who is within your gates, that he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner; for you are a holy people to the Lord your God." (Deuteronomy 14:21, NKJV)
God's people ( Jews or grafted Gentiles) were to be separate from unclean practices, including eating anything associated with idolatry.
In the book of Numbers, Balaam caused Israel to sin by leading them into idolatry and eating food sacrificed to idols:
"Look, these women caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the incident of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord." (Numbers 31:16, NKJV)
God judged Israel harshly for this sin, showing that idolatry and anything related to it—including food—was a serious offense.

Jesus upheld God's commandments and never changed them. He said:
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." (Matthew 5:17-18, NKJV)

Jesus emphasized obedience to God's commandments, and He never permitted eating food sacrificed to idols. In fact, in the book of Revelation, He rebukes the church in Pergamos for allowing people to eat things sacrificed to idols:
"But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality." (Revelation 2:14, NKJV)

Jesus Himself considered eating food sacrificed to idols as sinful and connected it with false teaching and corruption.

Since God’s Commandmnts does not change, and Jesus upheld the commandments, there is no basis for saying that eating meat sacrificed to idols is permissible. Any teaching that goes against God's direct commandments is false.

 

[Clare73]

Youre something else wrong on all counts, again.

Biblical assertion without Biblical demonstration is without Biblical merit.

 

[BobRyan]

God clearly commanded His people to have nothing to do with idols or anything associated with them. In the Ten Commandments, God says:
"You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God." (Exodus 20:3-5, NKJV)

True -

And then we have this distinction between Jewish Christians and pagans-turned-Christian in 1 Cor 10

1 Cor 10:
6 Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and stood up to play.” ...


14 Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak as to wise men; you judge what I say. 16 Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ? 17 Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread. 18 Look at the nation Israel; are not those who eat the sacrifices sharers in the altar? 19 What do I mean then? That a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. 22 Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? We are not stronger than He, are we?

...25 Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience’ sake; 26 for the earth is the Lord’s, and all it contains. 27 If one of the unbelievers invites you and you want to go, eat anything that is set before you without asking questions for conscience’ sake. 28 But if anyone says to you, “This is meat sacrificed to idols,” do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience’ sake; 29 I mean not your own conscience, but the other man’s; for why is my freedom judged by another’s conscience?

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1 Cor 8
Now concerning things sacrificed to idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge makes arrogant, but love edifies. 2 If anyone supposes that he knows anything, he has not yet known as he ought to know; 3 but if anyone loves God, he is known by Him.

4 Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us (Jewish Christians) there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.


7 However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8 But food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat. 9 But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone sees you, who have knowledge, dining in an idol’s temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols? 11 For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. 12 And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble.

 

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