For all eternity - "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before God to Worship"

[bugkiller]

I see it speaking of all mankind, so this time is coming, and sabbaths must be relevant then, meaning in scripture must be twisted to argue contrary to that.



There will be commandments that gentiles will live by as well, but scriptures show that gentiles are not going to be required to become Jewish. Meat eating is coming to an end regardless, it must not continue.



This dismisses mention of the sabbath rather too neatly. I don't see basis for that.

Each tohis own.

Please explain how I dismissed the Sabbath.

bugkiller

 

[Travis93]

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Micah 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Isaiah 66:15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.
Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

 

[Bob S]

I see it speaking of all mankind, so this time is coming, and sabbaths must be relevant then, meaning in scripture must be twisted to argue contrary to that.

Yep, along with walking among dead decaying bodies, living to be over 100 and babies not dying. Is 65 and 66.
And here I thought Ellen wrote that there would not be babies born in Heaven. No marriage. I guess things will happen that Ellen was not shown huh?

There will be commandments that gentiles will live by as well,

Scripture please. Making things like that up serve no purpose.

but scriptures show that gentiles are not going to be required to become Jewish.

Oh yes we certainly wouldn't want to go there if we had to become Jews. Hogwash!

Meat eating is coming to an end regardless, it must not continue.

Meat, what a horrible thing. Jesus was a horrible person for eating meat that God gave mankind as food.

This dismisses mention of the sabbath rather too neatly. I don't see basis for that.

I see you don't "see" a lot of things. Sabbath is a shadow, Jesus is reality. Col 2.

 

[BobRyan]

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


You know how you've encountered those who argue the 10 commandments, wherein the Sabbath is mentioned of course, are for the Jews only?
The Sabbath was made holy by God before there were any Jews!

Good point!

But be careful because Bible texts are easy for some folks to ignore

Where? In Gen 2? Hardly

bugkiller

Is that a serious post??

Yeppers!!!!!!!Sorry you don't think so. Wanna quote some proof for us to the contrary?

bugkiller

To the contrary of what? the contrary of just "making stuff up" as if nobody can read Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11??

Please be serious.

We are talking about Bible details so blatantly obvious - even your OWN pro-sunday scholars admit to it?

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"????

 

[FredVB]

I see it speaking of all mankind, so this time is coming, and sabbaths must be relevant then, meaning in scripture must be twisted to argue contrary to that.
There will be commandments that gentiles will live by as well, but scriptures show that gentiles are not going to be required to become Jewish. Meat eating is coming to an end regardless, it must not continue.
This dismisses mention of the sabbath rather too neatly. I don't see basis for that.

Please explain how I dismissed the Sabbath.

The passage referred to speaks specifically of Sabbath to Sabbath, and your explanation is that it doesn't mean the Sabbath is significant for that, and it is dismissed with it said that is only an expression, when you don't seem to have basis for that, Jesus still spoke for Sabbath meant for man, so it is significant in that passage.

Yep, along with walking among dead decaying bodies, living to be over 100 and babies not dying. Is 65 and 66.
And here I thought Ellen wrote that there would not be babies born in Heaven. No marriage. I guess things will happen that Ellen was not shown huh?
Scripture please. Making things like that up serve no purpose.
Oh yes we certainly wouldn't want to go there if we had to become Jews. Hogwash!
Meat, what a horrible thing. Jesus was a horrible person for eating meat that God gave mankind as food.
I see you don't "see" a lot of things. Sabbath is a shadow, Jesus is reality. Col 2.

I have to say I don't get the reference to Ellen, I don't know anything about that. But who is talking about Heaven in this discussion? Are you confusing what there is of eternity with what happens with Christ's return to this world? The distinction is left, with the expression in those passages, "just as the new heavens and the new earth I make will endure" for comparison to the enduring of "your offspring and your name".

Scripture is asked for regarding the commandments? Nothing is being made up, here there is such accusations again. The scripture just used from Isaiah 66 is still good for that, not to mention other passages from Isaiah, such as Isaiah 56:6, and passages from other old testament scriptures as well. There still is Jesus speaking to commandments shown in Matthew 5:18-19.

Saying gentiles won't be required to be Jews has nothing to do with you not wanting to be there otherwise, I have the basis for saying it from passages such as Acts 15:19.

Jesus was never a horrible person and I am never suggesting he was. There is though no great basis to say he was eating meat, other than interpretation that isn't certain. The perfection of Yahweh from the beginning in the creation did not have animal meat given to mankind as food. Meat for food is not part of perfection. It was permitted for food thousands of years afterward, after the global flood, and Noah's sacrifice to Yahweh, when there wasn't the abundant growth of vegetation for food, and meat mentioned since then is identified with sacrifice, which is in typifying Christ dying on our behalf, and such is fulfilled, animals don't have to die for us now. In that permission that had been given, which never was a requirement, any blood was never to be had with it, but this gets disregarded. Human desire and obsession has killing of animals continue, but this is not a virtue. It is not healthy to keep having meat, or even animal products, which I can show abundantly, with there being health problems that come from that which can be reversed with avoiding the animal products, and processed foods. It has great abuse to animals by many billions every year, it also takes up a great great deal more resources, and people are starving, and some dying, from that. There is a huge impact with harm to environments from it, and there is more emissions of greenhouse gases contributing to global warming from it. It won't always continue, scriptures show that, and it won't continue while Jesus is here when he returns.

Even while Sabbath would be a shadow, it has nothing said anywhere that Sabbaths won't continue, and when Yahweh made it holy, why wouldn't it continue? But indeed Jesus is the reality, and the rest of Sabbath, with coming to God, doesn't have reality, as always, without Jesus Christ. What is said is that none of us should judge others of us regarding these things.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said:
Would even one Christian be so opposed to the word of God that they would say "but I won't be one of them" just when the Bible says "Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

I see it speaking of all mankind, so this time is coming, and sabbaths must be relevant then, meaning in scripture must be twisted to argue contrary to that.

There will be commandments that gentiles will live by as well, but scriptures show that gentiles are not going to be required to become Jewish. Meat eating is coming to an end .

Sabbath "was made for mankind" Mark 2:27
And it is all mankind that keeps Sabbath for all eternity according to Isaiah 66:23.

Rather than being a deleted commandment -- it is eternal.

 

[bugkiller]

Good point!

But be careful because Bible texts are easy for some folks to ignore



Is that a serious post??

deadly

To the contrary of what? the contrary of just "making stuff up" as if nobody can read Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11??/

Yes people can read. Now where do you say either of those prove your point?

Please be serious.

Did God rest 7 days later and weekly thereafter? Prove it.

We are talking about Bible details so blatantly obvious - even your OWN pro-sunday scholars admit to it?

This is slander. Those people aren't my scholars of any type. In fact you're the only one who brought them up and out of context.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"????

Why yes we're not supposed to notice what you're doing. We're to kow-tow to your ..... um ideas.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The passage referred to speaks specifically of Sabbath to Sabbath, and your explanation is that it doesn't mean the Sabbath is significant for that, and it is dismissed with it said that is only an expression, when you don't seem to have basis for that, Jesus still spoke for Sabbath meant for man, so it is significant in that passage.

NOPE!!!!! That alone is your idea. The passage would mean exactly the same if the word "Saturday or Monday" were used. The new moon in the passage evidences this.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The passage referred to speaks specifically of Sabbath to Sabbath, and your explanation is that it doesn't mean the Sabbath is significant for that, and it is dismissed with it said that is only an expression, when you don't seem to have basis for that, Jesus still spoke for Sabbath meant for man, so it is significant in that passage.



I have to say I don't get the reference to Ellen, I don't know anything about that. But who is talking about Heaven in this discussion? Are you confusing what there is of eternity with what happens with Christ's return to this world? The distinction is left, with the expression in those passages, "just as the new heavens and the new earth I make will endure" for comparison to the enduring of "your offspring and your name".

Scripture is asked for regarding the commandments? Nothing is being made up, here there is such accusations again. The scripture just used from Isaiah 66 is still good for that, not to mention other passages from Isaiah, such as Isaiah 56:6, and passages from other old testament scriptures as well. There still is Jesus speaking to commandments shown in Matthew 5:18-19.

Saying gentiles won't be required to be Jews has nothing to do with you not wanting to be there otherwise, I have the basis for saying it from passages such as Acts 15:19.

Jesus was never a horrible person and I am never suggesting he was. There is though no great basis to say he was eating meat, other than interpretation that isn't certain. The perfection of Yahweh from the beginning in the creation did not have animal meat given to mankind as food. Meat for food is not part of perfection. It was permitted for food thousands of years afterward, after the global flood, and Noah's sacrifice to Yahweh, when there wasn't the abundant growth of vegetation for food, and meat mentioned since then is identified with sacrifice, which is in typifying Christ dying on our behalf, and such is fulfilled, animals don't have to die for us now. In that permission that had been given, which never was a requirement, any blood was never to be had with it, but this gets disregarded. Human desire and obsession has killing of animals continue, but this is not a virtue. It is not healthy to keep having meat, or even animal products, which I can show abundantly, with there being health problems that come from that which can be reversed with avoiding the animal products, and processed foods. It has great abuse to animals by many billions every year, it also takes up a great great deal more resources, and people are starving, and some dying, from that. There is a huge impact with harm to environments from it, and there is more emissions of greenhouse gases contributing to global warming from it. It won't always continue, scriptures show that, and it won't continue while Jesus is here when he returns.

Even while Sabbath would be a shadow, it has nothing said anywhere that Sabbaths won't continue, and when Yahweh made it holy, why wouldn't it continue? But indeed Jesus is the reality, and the rest of Sabbath, with coming to God, doesn't have reality, as always, without Jesus Christ. What is said is that none of us should judge others of us regarding these things.

If Jesus kept Passover He ate meat.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

The passage referred to speaks specifically of Sabbath to Sabbath, and your explanation is that it doesn't mean the Sabbath is significant for that, and it is dismissed with it said that is only an expression, when you don't seem to have basis for that,

Excellent point.

Those opposed to the Bible seldom pay attention to the details in it.

in the case of Isaiah 66:23 - it is TWO cycles a monthly one and a weekly one "From Sabbath to Sabbath AND from new moon new moon" -- that combination is NEVER used to mean "daily" or "every second".

What is more we have other phrases such as from "year to year" -- that means yearly.

This is irrefutable. And those opposing the Bible only get around the detail - by ignoring details.

They will circle back to that same speculation again and again - only to have this detail pointed out then they go silent for a while and... "circle back".

 

[Travis93]

If Jesus kept Passover He ate meat.

bugkiller

Yeah not to mention:
Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luke 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Jesus was not a vegetarian.

 

[Bob S]

The passage referred to speaks specifically of Sabbath to Sabbath, and your explanation is that it doesn't mean the Sabbath is significant for that, and it is dismissed with it said that is only an expression, when you don't seem to have basis for that, Jesus still spoke for Sabbath meant for man, so it is significant in that passage.

If the SDAs and others are going to continue to quote Is 66 to bolster their Sabbath doctrine then posing the question about walking around dead bodies and men living to over 100 and babies not dying is very relevant. All those passages come from Isaiah's thoughts about the new Heavens. Something does not jive. I certainly am not a theologian, but I do know enough that I would not use the Sabbath verse to bolster my beliefs.

I have to say I don't get the reference to Ellen, I don't know anything about that.

Ellen White was the revered prophet of SDAs. She wrote that there would be no marriage in Heaven, but Isaiah wrote about babies not dying. Ellen had many false prophesies that SDAs try to cover for. She was an interesting character and an interesting read.

But who is talking about Heaven in this discussion? Are you confusing what there is of eternity with what happens with Christ's return to this world?

Isaiah was writing about some sort of Heaven. I hope I am not confusing anything with anything. May it is you.

The distinction is left, with the expression in those passages, "just as the new heavens and the new earth I make will endure" for comparison to the enduring of "your offspring and your name".

Scripture is asked for regarding the commandments? Nothing is being made up, here there is such accusations again. The scripture just used from Isaiah 66 is still good for that, not to mention other passages from Isaiah, such as Isaiah 56:6, and passages from other old testament scriptures as well. There still is Jesus speaking to commandments shown in Matthew 5:18-19.

Now you have me confused

Saying gentiles won't be required to be Jews has nothing to do with you not wanting to be there otherwise, I have the basis for saying it from passages such as Acts 15:19.

More confusion

Jesus was never a horrible person and I am never suggesting he was. There is though no great basis to say he was eating meat, other than interpretation that isn't certain.

did Jesus keep Passover? There is your answer about meat eating.

The perfection of Yahweh from the beginning in the creation did not have animal meat given to mankind as food. Meat for food is not part of perfection.

You are a bit hard to understand. Meat has nothing to do with perfection. Perfection is not of the body, it is of the mind. If it included the body then we would all fail in our attempt to gain perfection.

It was permitted for food thousands of years afterward, after the global flood, and Noah's sacrifice to Yahweh, when there wasn't the abundant growth of vegetation for food, and meat mentioned since then is identified with sacrifice, which is in typifying Christ dying on our behalf, and such is fulfilled, animals don't have to die for us now. In that permission that had been given, which never was a requirement, any blood was never to be had with it, but this gets disregarded. Human desire and obsession has killing of animals continue, but this is not a virtue. It is not healthy to keep having meat, or even animal products, which I can show abundantly, with there being health problems that come from that which can be reversed with avoiding the animal products, and processed foods. It has great abuse to animals by many billions every year, it also takes up a great great deal more resources, and people are starving, and some dying, from that. There is a huge impact with harm to environments from it, and there is more emissions of greenhouse gases contributing to global warming from it. It won't always continue, scriptures show that, and it won't continue while Jesus is here when he returns.

Who are you to judge God who gave man meat to eat? Jesus ate it and I am pretty sure you would quote walking as Jesus walked. If it was good enough for Jesus it is good enough for me. Remember, none of us are going to escape this Earth without entering the grave unless Jesus comes first. Some people have an agenda for about everything. Yours is meat. You have presented some truth I will admit, but not enough to stop the World's population from eating it.

Even while Sabbath would be a shadow,

Sabbath is a shadow not would be. What happens in Heaven is mostly a guess. Sabbath was certainly not for all mankind or God would have revealed it to all of mankind like He did for Israel. What significance would Sabbath be to the Aborigines or Eskimos in heaven?

it has nothing said anywhere that Sabbaths won't continue, and when Yahweh made it holy, why wouldn't it continue?

He only made it Holy for Israel. Israel failed. Why should God continue it. The Temple was Holy. He made Holy ground. Many things were Holy that have absolutely no significance npow.

But indeed Jesus is the reality, and the rest of Sabbath,

Come unto Me and I will give you rest. Jesus is reality Sabbath is ut a shadow of reality.

with coming to God, doesn't have reality, as always, without Jesus Christ. What is said is that none of us should judge others of us regarding these things.

That we agree. Amen!

 

[bugkiller]

Excellent point.

Those opposed to the Bible seldom pay attention to the details in it.

in the case of Isaiah 66:23 - it is TWO cycles a monthly one and a weekly one "From Sabbath to Sabbath AND from new moon new moon" -- that combination is NEVER used to mean "daily" or "every second".

What is more we have other phrases such as from "year to year" -- that means yearly.

This is irrefutable. And those opposing the Bible only get around the detail - by ignoring details.

They will circle back to that same speculation again and again - only to have this detail pointed out then they go silent for a while and... "circle back".

OK, lets do your take on this. The next verse says what takes place on the Sabbath.

24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Sounds like an awesome Sabbath activity to me, you?

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

OK, lets do your take one this. The next verse says what takes place on the Sabbath.

Is 66:23 says what happens on the Sabbath "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship".

Keep trying to read it.

 

[BobRyan]

If the SDAs and others are going to continue to quote Is 66 to bolster their Sabbath doctrine

Isaiah 66:23 is an example of sola scriptura affirmation of the fact that Sabbath even in the OT has the Mark 2:27 scope of "all mankind".

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship". Is 66:23

Here then is a text you struggle with quoting so far.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???

Over time you may become more comfortable actually looking at it, reading it... accepting it.

Keep trying.

 

[bugkiller]

Is 66:23 says what happens on the Sabbath "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship".

Keep trying to read it.

It does not say "every" Sabbath nor does it say anything about "on," therefore it is not talking about the Sabbath as you try your dead level best to say it does.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Isaiah 66:23 is an example of sola scriptura affirmation of the fact that Sabbath even in the OT has the Mark 2:27 scope of "all mankind".

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship". Is 66:23

Here then is a text you struggle with quoting so far.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???

Over time you may become more comfortable actually looking at it, reading it... accepting it.

Keep trying.

Nothing but out of context slurs.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


You know how you've encountered those who argue the 10 commandments, wherein the Sabbath is mentioned of course, are for the Jews only?
The Sabbath was made holy by God before there were any Jews!

4 Angel's contribution -- noted.

Nothing but out of context slurs.

bugkiller

Your "contribution" -- noted.

 

[BobRyan]

It does not say "every" Sabbath nor does it say anything about "on," therefore it is not talking about the Sabbath as you try your dead level best to say it does.

bugkiller

Sadly your wild speculation would not stand up to the test of scripture.

1 Sam 2:19
19 Moreover his mother made him a little coat, and brought it to him from year to year, when she came up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.

"from Sabbath to Sabbath" -- weekly
"from new moon to new moon" -- monthly
"from year to year" -- yearly.

Obviously.

In fact so glaringly obvious that one wonders if once again your solution is that we are "simply not supposed to notice" the Bible details.

Bible details so incredibly obvious even your own pro-sunday scholars admit to this. How sad then for your wild speculation.

You have free will - you can ignore all the Bible you wish ... why imagine that the rest of us would go for such methods??

 

[W2L]

Isaiah 66:23 is an example of sola scriptura affirmation of the fact that Sabbath even in the OT has the Mark 2:27 scope of "all mankind".

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship". Is 66:23

Here then is a text you struggle with quoting so far.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???

Over time you may become more comfortable actually looking at it, reading it... accepting it.

Keep trying.

Bob, that scripture refers to the Jerusalem that comes down from heaven. Its most likely symbolic language. Notice that it says a time will come when people worship neither in Jerusalem or on the mountain, but in spirit and truth.


Isaiah 66:20 And they will bring all your people, from all the nations, to my holy mountain in Jerusalem as an offering to the Lord—on horses, in chariots and wagons, and on mules and camels,” says the Lord.


John 4:21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”