FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[d taylor]

Anyone with half a brain and a moral compass would understand why Deuteronomy 22 is not part of modern law because societies are supposed to be far more civilized compared to Biblical times and that executing women for not resisting sexual assault is morally, ethically and legally wrong.

If Deuteronomy 22 is an example of God’s law which has been deleted by human lawmakers, then by your logic the lawmakers are just as guilty of deception for abrogating God’s laws as scientists are for not accepting the Earth is flat and surrounded by a dome.
This is the point I have been making and your responses indicated you missed the point entirely.

I am going to ask you to a question which is simple yes or no answer and doesn’t require a treatise on Hebrews or Israel; is Deuteronomy 22 a superior law to the modern law where women are victims of sexual assault?

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Maybe this is news to you, but God did not give His law so pagan nations could pick and choose which ones to govern by.

 

[Hans Blaster]

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Maybe this is news to you, but God did not give His law so pagan nations could pick and choose which ones to govern by.

Maybe this is news for you, but we don't live in a pagan nation, but a secular one.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Maybe this is news for you, but we don't live in a pagan nation, but a secular one.

For many, 'secular' does equal 'pagan' in their mind.

 

[Hans Blaster]

For many, 'secular' does equal 'pagan' in their mind.

Which is really weird because paganism is religion, where as secular means no religion included.

For those elsewhere on the thread:

Secular is an adjective used to describe some aspect of society that does not involve religion or is neutral to religion. The opposite is "religious".

Atheist/agnostic: Label for people that aren't sure if there is a god, or don't believe in a god, or believe there are no gods.

Pagan(ism): Any (polytheistic) religious system or believer bases on non-Abrahamic gods. (often seen as deragatory).


Obviously, atheists and agnostics can't be pagans anymore than they can be Christians or Muslims.

Governments in the US are secular (not religious and religiously neutral), but not in Afghanistan. Indiana University is secular and the University of Notre Dame is religious. The American Medical Association is a secular group of doctors, the Catholic Medical Association is not.

 

[d taylor]

Maybe this is news for you, but we don't live in a pagan nation, but a secular one.

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and the law was not given to Israel yesterday, I am addressing in the time the law was given.

 

[Hans Blaster]

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and the law was not given to Israel yesterday, I am addressing in the time the law was given.

I understand that you "live" in the ancient world before we learned the shape of the Earth, but I don't know of any pagan nations.

 

[d taylor]

I understand that you "live" in the ancient world before we learned the shape of the Earth, but I don't know of any pagan nations.

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Well if Israel and The Law is going to be discussed, it is sure not modern Israel.

“When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.

 

[sjastro]

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One more time., the laws which ruled Israel was for Israel only

Gods law is always superior to any man made law. Just as the coming age and rule of The Messiah. Will be far superior to this age where man and satan has had their chance.

Maybe this is news to you, but God did not give His law so pagan nations could pick and choose which ones to govern by.

Deuteronomy 22 is an evil, vile and despicable law unacceptable in modern day society.
If you think it is perfectly reasonable a woman being raped who doesn’t cry out because she is paralysed with fear or is unable to do so should be put to death because it is God’s law which is always superior to man’s, it highlights the utter stupidity the literalist and OT inerrant will go through to justify their reasons.

The rest of the population which is the vast majority and smarter have no such dilemmas as Deuteronomy 22 or any law expounded in the OT is not about God’s law but compiled by a primitive culture which also thought the Earth was flat and surrounded by a dome.

 

[d taylor]

Deuteronomy 22 is an evil, vile and despicable law unacceptable in modern day society.
If you think it is perfectly reasonable a woman being raped who doesn’t cry out because she is paralysed with fear or is unable to do so should be put to death because it is God’s law which is always superior to man’s, it highlights the utter stupidity the literalist and OT inerrant will go through to justify their reasons.

The rest of the population which is the vast majority and smarter have no such dilemmas as Deuteronomy 22 or any law expounded in the OT is not about God’s law but compiled by a primitive culture which also thought the Earth was flat and surrounded by a dome.

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My My Mr science man sure can talk big. You can whine and cry about all you want, still does not change a thing, science is lying about God's creation.

 

[Hans Blaster]

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Well if Israel and The Law is going to be discussed, it is sure not modern Israel.

“When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.

If that Israel does not still exist (and it doesn't) then "The Law" is irrelevant to any extant nation and to this odd flerf fantasy you profess.

 

[d taylor]

Deuteronomy 22 is an evil, vile and despicable law unacceptable in modern day society.
If you think it is perfectly reasonable a woman being raped who doesn’t cry out because she is paralysed with fear or is unable to do so should be put to death because it is God’s law which is always superior to man’s, it highlights the utter stupidity the literalist and OT inerrant will go through to justify their reasons.

The rest of the population which is the vast majority and smarter have no such dilemmas as Deuteronomy 22 or any law expounded in the OT is not about God’s law but compiled by a primitive culture which also thought the Earth was flat and surrounded by a dome.

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I have wasted enough time with you and i do not put people on ignore. But i am disciplined enough to never reply to any more quoting of my comments/post. Which i will to you do after i post this post.

So you have a nice life i am done with you.

 

[Ophiolite]

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I have wasted enough time with you and i do not put people on ignore. But i am disciplined enough to never reply to any more quoting of my comments/post. Which i will to you do after i post this post.

So you have a nice life i am done with you.

I think @sjastro comes out the winner there. I wish I could believe that your wish "have a nice life" was sincere, but that lies betond my capacity. A failing on my part, true, for which I apologise, but there it is.

 

[d taylor]

I think @sjastro comes out the winner there. I wish I could believe that your wish "have a nice life" was sincere, but that lies betond my capacity. A failing on my part, true, for which I apologise, but there it is.

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I did not know this was a competition, but if it is. Then i believe God would be the judge on winners and losers.

 

[NxNW]

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So interpret these verse.

And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
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Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

"Lesser light" could mean a lot of things, especially when you consider meanings lost in translation. The moon does not generate its own light, though.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

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My My Mr science man sure can talk big. You can whine and cry about all you want, still does not change a thing, science is lying about God's creation.

No, only you do.

 

[dlamberth]

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My My Mr science man sure can talk big. You can whine and cry about all you want, still does not change a thing, science is lying about God's creation.

Nope.
It's just that your not able to believe what God's own Creation, as Created by God is showing us about itSelf.

 

[d taylor]

"Lesser light" could mean a lot of things, especially when you consider meanings lost in translation. The moon does not generate its own light, though.

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But the verse states God made two great lights.

If you were to say you made two paintings you are actually saying you made one painting and another surface that reflects an image of the painting that you actually made.

That is what I believe, that believers are saying. When they say God created a great light and the moon reflects the suns light.
They try to explain the verse in Genesis something like this. When the moon reflects the suns light, the moon actually takes possession of the light from the sun. So that is why The Bible states God made two great lights.

But i do not believe The Bible is saying this, there is also this verse.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

 

[Gene2memE]

Deuteronomy 22 is an evil, vile and despicable law unacceptable in modern day society.

The last five words aren't even needed. "Deuteronomy 22 is an evil, vile and despicable law" works just fine as it is.

 

[NxNW]

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

The moon has no light to give, though. It just reflects.

 

[Ophiolite]

The last five words aren't even needed. "Deuteronomy 22 is an evil, vile and despicable law" works just fine as it is.

A side effect of patriarchal societies, I think.