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[tharkun73]

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That has nothing to do with anything. If you are so confident in science, then look to them to tell you how to have eternal life

No one is talking about salvific issues here; bringing salvation into the subject is just a red herring. And it has everything to do with your view of science and how you hypocritcally accept it on the one hand when it comes to medicine, but deny it on the other hand when it comes to astronomy. You can't live by the worldview you're promoting - I bet you even wash your hands even though Jesus never told you about germ theory.

 

[d taylor]

No one is talking about salvific issues here; bringing salvation into the subject is just a red herring. And it has everything to do with your view of science and how you hypocritcally accept it on the one hand when it comes to medicine, but deny it on the other hand when it comes to astronomy. You can't live by the worldview you're promoting - I bet you even wash your hands even though Jesus never told you about germ theory.

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So is bringing doctors into the discussion. Lets say i tore my biceps tendon a few years ago and had the doctor repair it.

Really what does that have to do with the creation accounts in The Bible.

 

[tharkun73]

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So is bringing doctors into the discussion. Lets say i tore my biceps tendon a few years ago and had the doctor repair it.

Really what does that have to do with the creation accounts in The Bible.

So you trust some scientists - whose knowledge is not based in scripture - but claim other scientists are liars and deceivers because their knowledge is not based in scripture. See the problem? You're selectively trusting based on what you want to believe whether it's based in scripture or not. That's called hypocrisy.

 

[d taylor]

So you trust some scientists - whose knowledge is not based in scripture - but claim other scientists are liars and deceivers because their knowledge is not based in scripture. See the problem? You're selectively trusting based on what you want to believe whether it's based in scripture or not. That's called hypocrisy.

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That is like saying you type on a computer, so you have to believe everything science says. I say outright balderdash.

 

[tharkun73]

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That is like saying you type on a computer, so you have to believe everything science says. I say outright balderdash.

No it's pointing out that even you depend on scientific facts and evidence that aren't in scripture contrary to what you've claimed previously.

 

[sjastro]

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I have read your Biblical understanding before and the nicest comment i can state about it is. i absolutely disagree with your Biblical theology, it is science dictated.

Why don't you try giving a coherent response instead of blaming science as a convenient cop out.
Since you have a black and white perspective science is deceptive because it disagrees with the Biblical version of cosmology, does this also apply to modern law which is very much at odds with OT law in its treatment of women as sexual assault victims as illustrated in Deuteronomy 22:23–24 (NIV):?
This is not a science issue and if you think Deuteronomy states something different you are interpreting the Bible according to your own bias, just like the bias you exhibit against science.

Whether you like it or not the vast percentage of Christians do not have a literal interpretation of the Bible, they accept the science based evidence the Earth is not flat and surrounded by a dome, which the ancients did not have access to at the time of writing.

 

[d taylor]

Why don't you try giving a coherent response instead of blaming science as a convenient cop out.
Since you have a black and white perspective science is deceptive because it disagrees with the Biblical version of cosmology, does this also apply to modern law which is very much at odds with OT law in its treatment of women as sexual assault victims as illustrated in Deuteronomy 22:23–24 (NIV):?
This is not a science issue and if you think Deuteronomy states something different you are interpreting the Bible according to your own bias, just like the bias you exhibit against science.

Whether you like it or not the vast percentage of Christians do not have a literal interpretation of the Bible, they accept the science based evidence the Earth is not flat and surrounded by a dome, which the ancients did not have access to at the time of writing.

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The law of God was given to Israel to govern the Hebrew people were a theocracy. Where God is their God but also their King. until Israel cried out for a human king like all other nations.

God demands a much higher moral code then pagan nations. But in exchange God's rule is many times more just.

If you can not make the distinction between The nation of Israel and its history as God chose people and pagan nations and their rule of government/ Then your Biblical understanding is lacking much more then i thought.

But do not worry the world (all people not just Israel) again will get to experience being ruled by the law of God.
During the 1000 year rule of The Messiah. who will rule the world with an staff of iron.

But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

God is a real monster, i mean humans do not even come close to how evil God was in The Tanakh.

I wonder if Blanche Monnier would agree,

 

[d taylor]

No it's pointing out that even you depend on scientific facts and evidence that aren't in scripture contrary to what you've claimed previously.

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No, you are just taking from my post and fashioning them in to what you to believe about what i have written.

My disagreement is with science who makes claims about God's creation contrary to the Biblical account.

It is just people like you who can not or will not make a distinction. Between the science that invents actual working inventions and these far fetched claims about God;s creation.

 

[Hans Blaster]

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We have had the discussion before, i will pass on doing it again.

Why is understanding reality so hard for you? There is nothing about this thread that is necessary. None at all. This is all stuff that has been known for 2500 years.

 

[NxNW]

-I am not condemning any scientist to hell. i just state what they say does not match up with what is written in The Bible.​

That's just your interpretation.

 

[d taylor]

That's just your interpretation.

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So interpret these verse.

And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
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Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

 

[sjastro]

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The law of God was given to Israel to govern the Hebrew people were a theocracy. Where God is their God but also their King. until Israel cried out for a human king like all other nations.

God demands a much higher moral code then pagan nations. But in exchange God's rule is many times more just.

If you can not make the distinction between The nation of Israel and its history as God chose people and pagan nations and their rule of government/ Then your Biblical understanding is lacking much more then i thought.

But do not worry the world (all people not just Israel) again will get to experience being ruled by the law of God.
During the 1000 year rule of The Messiah. who will rule the world with an staff of iron.

But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

God is a real monster, i mean humans do not even come close to how evil God was in The Tanakh.

I wonder if Blanche Monnier would agree,

Do you comprehend simple English, I asked you if modern law should be supplanted by Biblical law such as the treatment of sexual assault victims as found in Deuteronomy based on your reasoning if science is deceptive because it doesn’t conform to the Bible than neither does modern law which must also be deceptive.

It could have been a simple yes or no answer, instead of this rambling nonsense which confirms my suspicions you are a narrow minded individual who uses the Bible to justify ignorance and bigotry.

Since you see deception around every corner and under every stone, it was the motivating reason for implying I am a con artist for posting images for not conforming to your version of the Bible.
Your behaviour is a classic case of projection of seeing individuals of differing opinions as the ones being morally and ethically suspect.

 

[d taylor]

Do you comprehend simple English, I asked you if modern law should be supplanted by Biblical law such as the treatment of sexual assault victims as found in Deuteronomy based on your reasoning if science is deceptive because it doesn’t conform to the Bible than neither does modern law which must also be deceptive.

It could have been a simple yes or no answer, instead of this rambling nonsense which confirms my suspicions you are a narrow minded individual who uses the Bible to justify ignorance and bigotry.

Since you see deception around every corner and under every stone, it was the motivating reason for implying I am a con artist for posting images for not conforming to your version of the Bible.
Your behaviour is a classic case of projection of seeing individuals of differing opinions as the ones being morally and ethically suspect.

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I plainly stated God's law was for the nation of Israel as Israel was God's chosen people. If you can not handle The Bible then you better stick with science.

 

[d taylor]

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Why is understanding reality so hard for you? There is nothing about this thread that is necessary. None at all. This is all stuff that has been known for 2500 years.

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It must be as you keep posting here, heck it even must be that the existence of God is still a concern of yours. As it sure seems you spend a lot of time on this site.

 

[sjastro]

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I plainly stated God's law was for the nation of Israel as Israel was God's chosen people. If you can not handle The Bible then you better stick with science.

Repeating the same nonsense doesn't answer the question.
A women is sexually assaulted but didn't cry out for help, should she be put to death assuming Deuteronomy 22:23–24 (NIV) is an example of God's law or be treated as a victim by modern law where her failure to react is not a crime.

 

[NxNW]

So interpret these verse.​

And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
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Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

Any interpretation must take into account the fact that the moon does not create light. Therefore that passage was written by flawed human beings. Proceed accordingly.

 

[d taylor]

Repeating the same nonsense doesn't answer the question.
A women is sexually assaulted but didn't cry out for help, should she be put to death assuming Deuteronomy 22:23–24 (NIV) is an example of God's law or be treated as a victim by modern law where her failure to react is not a crime.

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When the Hebrews were under the law of God they should follow the law they are under. Is that so hard for you to understand.

The laws Israel was under has nothing to do with a countries current law, unless they have adopted it as part of their law. So name the current country that has Deuteronomy 22 as their current law, if this law is such a problem for you.

How many times do i have to write The law given to Israel was for the nation of Israel. Talk about Biblical ignorance.

 

[sjastro]

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When the Hebrews were under the law of God they should follow the law they are under. Is that so hard for you to understand.

The laws Israel was under has nothing to do with a countries current law, unless they have adopted it as part of their law. So name the current country that has Deuteronomy 22 as their current law, if this law is such a problem for you.

How many times do i have to write The law given to Israel was for the nation of Israel. Talk about Biblical ignorance.

Anyone with half a brain and a moral compass would understand why Deuteronomy 22 is not part of modern law because societies are supposed to be far more civilized compared to Biblical times and that executing women for not resisting sexual assault is morally, ethically and legally wrong.

If Deuteronomy 22 is an example of God’s law which has been deleted by human lawmakers, then by your logic the lawmakers are just as guilty of deception for abrogating God’s laws as scientists are for not accepting the Earth is flat and surrounded by a dome.
This is the point I have been making and your responses indicated you missed the point entirely.

I am going to ask you to a question which is simple yes or no answer and doesn’t require a treatise on Hebrews or Israel; is Deuteronomy 22 a superior law to the modern law where women are victims of sexual assault?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

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Sure, science has created this nice little world where they can send man made contraptions billions of miles out into space. report back with amazing discoveries. Even start them back up after years of inactivity, etc..............

You and your ilk make God out to be deceptive. Simple as.

 

[d taylor]

Anyone with half a brain and a moral compass would understand why Deuteronomy 22 is not part of modern law because societies are supposed to be far more civilized compared to Biblical times and that executing women for not resisting sexual assault is morally, ethically and legally wrong.

If Deuteronomy 22 is an example of God’s law which has been deleted by human lawmakers, then by your logic the lawmakers are just as guilty of deception for abrogating God’s laws as scientists are for not accepting the Earth is flat and surrounded by a dome.
This is the point I have been making and your responses indicated you missed the point entirely.

I am going to ask you to a question which is simple yes or no answer and doesn’t require a treatise on Hebrews or Israel; is Deuteronomy 22 a superior law to the modern law where women are victims of sexual assault?

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One more time., the laws which ruled Israel was for Israel only

Gods law is always superior to any man made law. Just as the coming age and rule of The Messiah. Will be far superior to this age where man and satan has had their chance.