FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

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Because when God creation His creation that is where God placed them. Why did God create His creation like this The Bible does not state.

But why? If God's creation shows something else, then either the Bible is wrong or God's creation is wrong, so either one is lying to us.

 

[tharkun73]

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I do not see a difference, as The Bible states God place the created lights in the raqia (dome, sky, expanse, vault).

Which is where they are seen. This photo of the moon, the moon is in the sky and not 200,000+ miles away in an outer space.

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So you believe the moon and sun are within the atmosphere of the earth?

 

[dlamberth]

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Because when God creation His creation that is where God placed them. Why did God create His creation like this The Bible does not state.

Yet, His Creation itself tells a different story.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Which is where they are seen. This photo of the moon, the moon is in the sky and not 200,000+ miles away in an outer space.

"sky" is not a place, it is a direction. It is the direction you are looking if you are not looking at "ground". Or in other words, it is the direction you are looking when you are looking through transparent things like air and nothing else.

Airplanes and the Moon are both "in the sky" when you see them (excepting planes on the ground, of course), one is in the atmosphere (the thin layer of gases attached to the ground by gravity) and the other is not. The atmosphere extends a few hundred miles (or so, the edge is ill defined) and there is plenty beyond the edge.

 

[sjastro]

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Like i wrote, they are in the upper part of sky/raqia (dome, expanse, vault, firmament) exactly where The Bible states God placed them. When God created these lights along with the other two great lights sun and moon.
They are residing in a space that is diving two large bodies of water one above the expanse and one below.

So by what higher authority than God are you claiming that the creation account in Genesis 1 is not a truthful witness of God's creation. Which is described in Genesis. 1.

Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

I hate to rain on your parade but before the OT was even written the Babylonians, Sumerians, Egyptians and Canaanites who were polytheists believed in a flat earth and solid dome as well.

What it tells you who ever wrote Genesis was very much influenced by this prevailing view which was common in the region.

If the OT is an inviolable source then you what do make of women who were victims of sexual assault who do not cry out for help where they could be heard should be put to death along with the assailant.

Deuteronomy 22:23–24 (NIV):
"If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you."

 

[d taylor]

I hate to rain on your parade but before the OT was even written the Babylonians, Sumerians, Egyptians and Canaanites who were polytheists believed in a flat earth and solid dome as well.

What it tells you who ever wrote Genesis was very much influenced by this prevailing view which was common in the region.

If the OT is an inviolable source then you what do make of women who were victims of sexual assault who do not cry out for help where they could be heard should be put to death along with the assailant.

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I have read your Biblical understanding before and the nicest comment i can state about it is. i absolutely disagree with your Biblical theology, it is science dictated.

 

[d taylor]

"sky" is not a place, it is a direction. It is the direction you are looking if you are not looking at "ground". Or in other words, it is the direction you are looking when you are looking through transparent things like air and nothing else.

Airplanes and the Moon are both "in the sky" when you see them (excepting planes on the ground, of course), one is in the atmosphere (the thin layer of gases attached to the ground by gravity) and the other is not. The atmosphere extends a few hundred miles (or so, the edge is ill defined) and there is plenty beyond the edge.

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We have had the discussion before, i will pass on doing it again.

 

[tharkun73]

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I have read your Biblical understanding before and the nicest comment i can state about it is. i absolutely disagree with your Biblical theology.

Stating that "the Babylonians, Sumerians, Egyptians and Canaanites who were polytheists believed in a flat earth and solid dome as well" has nothing to do with Biblical theology but with the ANE worldview that the Bible was written from and to.

 

[d taylor]

But why? If God's creation shows something else, then either the Bible is wrong or God's creation is wrong, so either one is lying to us.

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It is not showing something different. than The Bible descriptions. If you think so, fine with me.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

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It is not showing something different. than The Bible descriptions. If you think so, fine with me.

Oh, it very much is showing something different. You just refuse to see it.

 

[d taylor]

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If anyone who holds to the science version of God's creation. The only way i will believe in some other description, than is what is described in The Bible. Jesus will have to personally tell me, science is accurately testifying to His creation.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

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If anyone who holds to the science version of God's creation. The only way i will believe in some other description, than is what is described in The Bible. Jesus will have to personally tell me, science is accurately testifying to His creation.

There is no such thing as a 'science version of God's creation'. There's God's creation, and a literal reading of the Bible. The two are very much in opposites of the other.

 

[tharkun73]

There is no such thing as a 'science version of God's creation'. There's God's creation, and a literal reading of the Bible. The two are very much in opposites of the other.

There's God's creation, and a hyper-literal reading of the Bible, that ignores all contexts - cultural, literary, textual.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

There's God's creation, and a hyper-literal reading of the Bible, that ignores all contexts - cultural, literary, textual.

I know. That's what I said.

 

[tharkun73]

I know. That's what I said.

I'm agreeing with you

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I'm agreeing with you

It looked like you were trying to engage in a bit of one-upmanship on descriptions, but that's just me reading into it, and that's my bad.

 

[tharkun73]

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If anyone who holds to the science version of God's creation. The only way i will believe in some other description, than is what is described in The Bible. Jesus will have to personally tell me, science is accurately testifying to His creation.

Have you ever been to a doctor or taken a prescription, gotten a vaccination? DId Jesus tell you about those before you did them?

 

[d taylor]

There is no such thing as a 'science version of God's creation'. There's God's creation, and a literal reading of the Bible. The two are very much in opposites of the other.

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Sure, science has created this nice little world where they can send man made contraptions billions of miles out into space. report back with amazing discoveries. Even start them back up after years of inactivity, etc..............

 

[d taylor]

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I can believe God about my eternal destiny. I can certainly believe God about His creation, at least what He wants to be known.

 

[d taylor]

Have you ever been to a doctor or taken a prescription, gotten a vaccination? DId Jesus tell you about those before you did them?

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That has nothing to do with anything. If you are so confident in science, then look to them to tell you how to have eternal life.