Can Christians Work for Income on the Sabbath Day?

[SabbathBlessings]

I found another one

Colossians 2:16
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:.../KJV

So this means that it was not sin, am I right?

You would need to back up to Col 2:14 KJV which gives context to this verse. There is more than one Sabbath in scripture. This is not referring to the weekly seventh day Sabbath that is a commandment of God, but the annual sabbath(s) ordinances that have to do with food and drink and pointed forward to Christ and His sacrifice for our sin. The weekly Sabbath came before sin at the garden Gen 2:1-3, and continues on for eternity for the people of God Isaiah 66:22-23 and was kept long after the cross every Sabbath for the disciples and God’s people. God’s people keep God’s commandments Rev 14:12

 

[SabbathBlessings]

A patently false statement! Jesus broke the letter of the 4th precisely so that he could keep the spirit of the commandment. By the way, the book of Isaiah that you appeal to was written HUNDREDS of years after the Ten were. So...that's a lot of generations of Jews who weren't further enlightened on sabbath keeping until Isaiah came on the scene. Just sayin'...

You can answer to Jesus why you believe the Pharisees over the words of our Master. John 15:10

John 8:45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God

Sad teaching, the same people accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath and accused Him of not being God crucified Him without a cause.

 

[Divide]

You would need to back up to Col 2:14 KVJ which gives context to this verse. There is more than one Sabbath in scripture. This is not referring to the weekly seventh day Sabbath that is a commandment of God, but the annual sabbath(s) ordinances that have to do with food and drink and pointed forward to Christ and His sacrifice for our sin. The weekly Sabbath came before sin at the garden Gen 2:1-3, and continues on for eternity for the people of God Isaiah 66:22-23 and was kept long after the cross every Sabbath for the disciples and God’s people.

Collossians 2:14
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;.../KJV

What in the world are you talking about? I never heard of two sabbaths. v14 doesn't seem to say that either.

 

[Divide]

You can answer to Jesus why you believe the Pharisees over the words of our Master. John 15:10

Noone is judging anyone, no matter how you esteem that day. So we have different views, that doesn't matter.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Collossians 2:14
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;.../KJV

What in the world are you talking about? I never heard of two sabbaths. v14 doesn't seem to say that either.

You never heard of the sabbath(s) ordinances? The annual feasts days that are about food and drink and the context of this passage.

The weekly Sabbath is a commandment of God, not an ordinance. The weekly Sabbath is holy and blessed and all of God’s commandments are not grievous 1 John 5:3, so not the definition of contrary and against and the weekly Sabbath was written by the finger of God, not handwritten by Moses. The context doesn't fit. Plus the Sabbath commandment didn’t end at the cross, it was kept decades after the cross every Sabbath by God’s followers Acts 13:42-44, Acts 18;4 and will be kept for eternity Isaiah 66:22-23

I would recommend you read this thread it will give you more details. https://www.christianforums.com/threads/time-to-unlearn-the-lies-about-god’s-word.8247236/#post-76690737

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Noone is judging anyone, no matter how you esteem that day. So we have different views, that doesn't matter.

When you accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath, you are calling Jesus a liar and a sinner. Jesus in His own Words said He kept all the commandments John 15:10 including the Sabbath Luke 4:16, yet you choose to believe the Pharisees over Jesus. The false teaching that you can break the letter of the 4th commandment and be keeping the Spirit of the Sabbath is a bad doctrine, not one coming from God. Isaiah 8:20 Romans 8:4-8. We can convince ourselves of anything, but when it comes to believing the Pharasees over Jesus one should really take a step back and try to understand these implications. If Jesus sinned even a little all humanity would be lost and He could not be our Savior, who came to save us from sin, not in them. Matthew 1:21. Sin is the transgression of God’s law 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7 Who do you think wants us to believe Jesus broke the Sabbath and sinned? This is who Jesus said the Pharisees father is John 8:44 and this is who you want to believe over the very words of Jesus who said He kept all of the commandments and said if you love Him, you too would keep them. Sad some people would rather make Jesus out to be a sinner than obey Him. I hope you will prayerfully reconsider this position.

 

[Doran]

You would need to back up to Col 2:14 KJV which gives context to this verse. There is more than one Sabbath in scripture. This is not referring to the weekly seventh day Sabbath that is a commandment of God, but the annual sabbath(s) ordinances that have to do with food and drink and pointed forward to Christ and His sacrifice for our sin. The weekly Sabbath came before sin at the garden Gen 2:1-3, and continues on for eternity for the people of God Isaiah 66:22-23 and was kept long after the cross every Sabbath for the disciples and God’s people. God’s people keep God’s commandments Rev 14:12

More falsehoods. There is no sabbath-keeping mandate in Gen 2; therefore, your entire argument falls apart. Scripture explicitly states the sabbath was given ONLY TO THE JEWS -- not to the human race at large. Plus Col 2:16 is an UNQUALIFIED statement. "A sabbath day" means exactly that...ANY sabbath day. It's any all-inclusive statement; therefore, an open-ended, unqualified statement. This is what indefinite articles do. Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, certainly knew there was more than one sabbath; therefore, in order to succinctly communicate that he means any and all sabbaths, he simply used the indefinite article "a".

Furthermore, the seventh day sabbath is also a type or shadow of things that were to come. What were those "things" to come? How 'bout the Messiah and his gospel message of the kingdom for starters, especially since the Messiah fulfills God's promise in Jer 31:2? (I have previously given a few ways in which the 7th day sabbath is a type of sanctification -- a sanctification, by the way, that is only found in Christ.)

 

[Doran]

You can answer to Jesus why you believe the Pharisees over the words of our Master. John 15:10

John 8:45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God

Sad teaching, the same people accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath and accused Him of not being God crucified Him without a cause.

Actually, you can answer to Jesus why you, like the Pharisees, believe in the vain traditions of men rather that in the Word of God. Anyhoo....this doesn't change the very obvious fact that the 4th very clearly forbids all physical work -- even giving the animals the day off for their physical rest. Therefore, in the absence of any exceptions in the 4th, we can safely and logically conclude that Jesus broke the letter of the 4th commandment.

So, before you get all hysterical on us and bang out another one of your tomes, please note what I have never said: I have never said that Jesus violated the sabbath day.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Actually, you can answer to Jesus why you, like the Pharisees, believe in the vain traditions of men rather that in the Word of God. Anyhoo....this doesn't change the very obvious fact that the 4th very clearly forbids all physical work -- even giving the animals the day off for their physical rest. Therefore, in the absence of any exceptions in the 4th, we can safely and logically conclude that Jesus broke the letter of the 4th commandment.

So, before you get all hysterical on us and bang out another one of your tomes, please note what I have never said: I have never said that Jesus violated the sabbath day.

You can’t reason with someone who views their opinions as if they are equal to God’s word. I would prayerfully read Matthew 15:3-9 because it says the opposite of what you are accusing me of. The commandments of God is not a tradition of man as Jesus clearly states and the weekly Sabbath despite people’s objection to it is a commandment of God Exodus 20:8-11 according to His own Words both written and spoken. Exodus 32:16 Exo 31:18 and God’s people keep God’s commandments Rev 14:12 through faith and love Rom 3:31 1 John 5:3

I am signing out of this thread and turning off the notifications.

I wish you well in those seeking the Truth to God’s Word.

God bless.

 

[Doran]

You can’t reason with someone who views their opinions as if they are equal to God’s word. I would prayerfully read Matthew 15:3-9 because it says the opposite of what you are accusing me of. The commandments of God is not a tradition of man as Jesus clearly states and the weekly Sabbath despite people’s objection to it is a commandment of God Exodus 20:8-11 according to His own Words both written and spoken. Exodus 32:16 Exo 31:18 and God’s people keep God’s commandments Rev 14:12 through faith and love Rom 3:31 1 John 5:3

I am signing out of this thread and turning off the notifications.

I wish you well in those seeking the Truth to God’s Word.

God bless.

I'm not one expressing opinions here. Also, there is no sabbath commandment restated in the NT, despite your wonky interpretation of Hebrews 4. When I say that Jesus broke the letter of the 4th commandment, the 4th commandment itself supports my argument. And YOU know it does, which is why the other day, even after me highlighting the 4th commandment and calling special attention to it, you skirt around it anyway and appeal to Isaiah 58, which I guess in your world is an extension of the 4th commandment? That had to be YOUR opinion, right?

P.S. So you're bowing out, heh? Typical maneuver when the heat gets too hot in the kitchen. May you find a cooler kitchen to hang out in.

 

[Doran]

Summary of the old covenant law

No.... the Two Greatest Commandments sum up the Law (i.e. Pentateuch) and the Prophets, i.e. the entire Jewish canon.

 

[Divide]

You never heard of the sabbath(s) ordinances? The annual feasts days that are about food and drink and the context of this passage.

The weekly Sabbath is a commandment of God, not an ordinance. The weekly Sabbath is holy and blessed and all of God’s commandments are not grievous 1 John 5:3, so not the definition of contrary and against and the weekly Sabbath was written by the finger of God, not handwritten by Moses. The context doesn't fit. Plus the Sabbath commandment didn’t end at the cross, it was kept decades after the cross every Sabbath by God’s followers Acts 13:42-44, Acts 18;4 and will be kept for eternity Isaiah 66:22-23

Nope. Never heard of them. I am not Jewish. I've never even been to Israel. I was born in the USA on the wrong side of the tracks, lol.


Ok riddle me this. WHat does this passage mean?

Romans 8:1-4
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit..../KJV

Are we to subject ourselves to the old covenant ordininces?

Ephesians 2:14-16
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:.../KJV

What do I do with that passage? Tear it out? Lol.

 

[Divide]

I thought we has having a good conversation.

 

[Doran]

Nope. Never heard of them. I am not Jewish. I've never even been to Israel. I was born in the USA on the wrong side of the tracks, lol.


Ok riddle me this. WHat does this passage mean?

Romans 8:1-4
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit..../KJV

Are we to subject ourselves to the old covenant ordininces?

Ephesians 2:14-16
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:.../KJV

What do I do with that passage? Tear it out? Lol.

Divide, it's extremely important that you spend at least as much time in the OT as you do in the New; for the Old is the foundation to the New. Multiple sabbaths were actually mandated in the OT in the form of feast days, festivals, holy days, sacred assemblies, etc.. (See Leviticus 23.) There wasn't just the weekly sabbath.

 

[Gary K]

we may use the same words but do we define these words the same way? this is what I'm trying to clarify. We all agree with Christ's words and I would expect no different but perhaps our conclusions are actually different so let's explore why they are different so that we may learn from each other. Otherwise, how am I to know unless you can confirm or deny these points? So can I ask you what boundaries would you put on "doing good" on the Sabbath? or framed in another way what is appropriate and inappropriate action that may require us to break our rest on the Sabbath yet still be lawful? I think I'm being fairly transparent saying I understand goodness to have no unique definition on the Sabbath as it does off of the Sabbath and we should look at goodness universally indiscriminate of the day of the week so if the act is deemed good on a Tuesday, then it is lawful on the Sabbath. The reverse would be true as well if it is not good on the Sabbath then it is not good off the Sabbath. Are you able to extend to me the same level transparency?

I agree with you on this.

I don't see anything wrong with saving someones spiritual life no matter how much time or effort it takes.

It's a little on working on Sabbath. I was an HVAC/R service tech for years and now I would donate any funds I made doing emergency work on Sabbath. Saving a life is never wrong on any day of the week.

 

[Doran]

I agree with you on this.

I don't see anything wrong with saving someones spiritual life no matter how much time or effort it takes.

It's a little on working on Sabbath. I was an HVAC/R service tech for years and now I would donate any funds I made doing emergency work on Sabbath. Saving a life is never wrong on any day of the week.

Mr. Gary, sir, I have a question for you. What should Christians do who prior to their conversions had professions or jobs that normally required them to work on many "sabbaths"? Should those Christians just up and leave their jobs that they still rely on for self-support or for family support so that they can keep the sabbath?

 

[Gary K]

Mr. Gary, sir, I have a question for you. What should Christians do who prior to their conversions had professions or jobs that normally required them to work on many "sabbaths"? Should those Christians just up and leave their jobs that they still rely on for self-support or for family support so that they can keep the sabbath?

Yes. Just how little sacrifice do you think is owed for the love bestowed upon us by Jesus?

 

[Doran]

Yes. Just how little sacrifice do you think is owed for the love bestowed upon us by Jesus?

So...putting food on the table, keeping a roof over a family's head, clothes on people's back, etc. is not a GREATER good that would make the sabbath subservient to that Greater Good? But of course, it's okay to rescue an animal or to lead an animal to water on the sabbath? And here I've been thinking all along that humans were worth more than animals. But in your universe, not so much?

 

[Gary K]

So...putting food on the table, keeping a roof over a family's head, clothes on people's back, etc. is not a GREATER good that would make the sabbath subservient to that Greater Good? But of course, it's okay to rescue an animal or to lead an animal to water on the sabbath? And here I've been thinking all along that humans were worth more than animals. But in your universe, not so much?

So in your mind the death of Jesus isn't worth as your life or mine? Jesus in His conversation with Simon the Pharisee/leper told him he whom is forgiven much loves much. That mean anything to you?

 

[DamianWarS]

I agree with you on this.

I don't see anything wrong with saving someones spiritual life no matter how much time or effort it takes.

I appreciate the directness. but if true, should we not approach all moments as opportunities to spread the gospel and in doing so does that not make all things lawful under Christ? so rather than a focus on physical rest, why not just a focus on goodness? And yes, the worst is realized for Sabbath keepers, that because the spiritual is a superior goal to the physical then we may in fact abandon the physical and just focus on the spiritual. We are still physical beings and need the physical to sustain ourselves (that includes rest), but what I mean of course is the ritual physical service of the law is no longer a requirement as it is inferior to the spiritual goals of the new.