Benny Hinn dating Paula White? Is this true?

[disciple-ofjesus]

So,..... that scripture commands a person to be married to have a ministry from GOD? Is that what is being interpreted from it?

I think you are deliberatly missing the point. Read that scripture in context.

AFFAIR and Divorce are totally different things...

If you have an affair with a young lady while stiil in your marriage, then file for divorce and leave your WIFE and KIDS to go MARRY the other lady days later.

Yes you should step down.

I am just saying, that the people that came in bullhorns blaring that TB should step down cause HE DIVORCED as well, and then poo poo what Benny Hinn is doing is a bit..um...double standard. I KNOW what TB did was wrong...and if you read the rest of my post, I stated that HE should NOT be in ministry at this point.

December 2006




There are many , many more similar stories....

sad but true

 

[ARBITER01]

I think you are deliberatly missing the point. Read that scripture in context.

I did not miss the context at all.

Marriage does not automatically grant anyone a ministry, as well as divorce does not automatically abolish it. The amount of folks in Christian history who lost their spouse through divorce or death and carried on with GOD is notable. Smith Wiggleworth did not lose his ministry because his wife died, as well as Maria Woodsworth Etter did not lose her ministry because she married another man after her husband divorced her.

Sin on the other-hand, can be very detrimental to a ministry, even destroy it, but in the case of Hinn and White, no sin has been determined and confessed yet, aside from some suspicions out of folks here.

 

[disciple-ofjesus]

Yeah, ok Arbie....not going to "nit pick" with ya. You are free to believe what you will. Death of a spouse is one thing, divorce is another.

 

[ARBITER01]

If someone has scripture that identifies divorce as abolishing your ministry, when you are innocent of any adultery on your part, present it.

There is none from what I have looked into. If anyone has specific scripture that proves me wrong on this, by all means do it. I'm not interested in churchianity teachings though, so don't waste your time posting it. Just scripture.

 

[Yitzchak]

Pastor waits too long to do the right thing and damages church. I guess the real question is the minstry a man's ministry or is it the Lord's ministry.

Pastor Quits in Midst of Divorce




St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg, Fla.; Jeff Testerman, [ received 7.4.2003 ]

Ronald H. Clark has resigned as pastor of Living Water Church of Tampa, saying he needed to spare his congregation pain from publicity about his rancorous split from his wife of 24 years.

"The divorce has been the reason members have been leaving," Clark said Monday. "I have become a lightning rod for these issues, and they have become all-consuming.

"I love the people in this church, and if I did not think it was in their best interest, I wouldn't go," he said. "But I think my stepping aside will breathe life back into the place."

Clark leaves the nondenominational Christian church in financial shambles, and with a fraction of its onetime membership, according to testimony in the Clark divorce case.

Melvin Myer, a church trustee and financial planner elevated to chairman of the Living Water Church board following Clark's resignation Sunday, testified last week that the church was past due on $118,000 in bills. He also said the church had insufficient cash to pay Clark or make this month's $19,500 mortgage payment.

Church membership, which climbed to 1,800 two years ago, according to court records, fell to 444 at the end of May, Myer said.

When Clark gave his final sermon Sunday, even fewer were in the pews.

"I would say there were about 100 there," said Edward Brennan, the church's attorney. "But I may be overstating it.

 

[gratefulgrace]

Maybe he was protecting her from over affectionate Italian men. I have heard stories.....

 

[Yitzchak]

This Pastor is getting his second divorce. This will be his wife's thrid divorce. At least he has the decency to take some time off.....

South African megachurch pastor Ray McCauley and his second wife, Zelda, are planning to divorce after nine years of marriage.

The founder and pastor of 40,000-member Rhema Bible Church in Johannesburg, one of the largest churches in the nation, was "devastated" by his wife's decision to file for divorce, according to a statement from the executive board of the church and the International Federation of Christian Churches (IFCC), a ministry network McCauley leads.


"Both the leadership of the IFCC and Rhema Bible Church are of the firm belief that divorce is not desirable and should be the last resort," the board stated. "However, they would like to respect Mrs. Zelda McCauley's decision to file for divorce."

Zelda McCauley did not release a separate statement.

McCauley and his first wife, Lyndie, divorced in 2000 after 24 years of marriage. He married Zelda, a former model who has reportedly been twice divorced, in 2001.



Read more: South African Pastor Ray McCauley to Divorce

 

[Yitzchak]

This pastor at least did the right thing to step down and receive counseling and restoration.

Florida megachurch pastors Zachery and Riva Tims ended their 15-year-marriage in late July, two years after it was discovered that Zachery Tims had an affair with an exotic dancer he met in Paris.

The Timses started New Destiny Christian Center (NDCC) in a hotel ballroom in 1996, and grew the Orlando-area church to more than 7,500 members. But in October 2007, Zachery Tims stood before the congregation and said he had committed "an indiscretion" and would be stepping down to seek healing.

He returned to the pulpit three months later, after beginning counseling with a group of ministers including Bishop Joseph Garlington, pastor of Covenant Church in Pittsburg; Bishop Harold Ray, senior pastor of Redemptive Life Fellowship in West Palm Beach, Fla.; and Bishop Nicholas Duncan-Williams of Ghana.

Many members left the independent charismatic church in late 2007 after Judy Nguyen posted details of her affair with the pastor on the Internet. In an e-mail interview with Charisma, Nguyen, who met Tims when he visited the men's club in Paris where she worked, said the long-distance affair lasted from August 2006 to October 2007.

Riva Tims, 38, also left the church and filed for divorce in 2008. The couple share joint custody of their four children.



Read more: Florida Megachurch Pastors End Marriage

 

[gratefulgrace]

Its doesn't but answer me this, this will tell me where you are actually coming from.

If the NE ran a story about the President Obama having an affair with a friend, a lady on his staff, would he respond with a statement? and would he still hang around the lady after that?

Don't we have an example of a watered down statement totally bogus from a former President and he was guilty. What did that prove? Did he automatically step down as president when proven to be lying? Who are you demanding a statement from anyway? What are you trying to say? Do we really need a continued litany of the sordid details of events past??? that have nothing to do with the OP's statement at the first?

 

[Yitzchak]

Here is an extreme case....Both the husband and wife are pastors at this florida church. They will both continue on in ministry after the divorce. They will just arrange it so they are not both there on the same sunday to preach.
I hope they are not trying to preach on unity in the body or forgiveness , or keeping your word, well you get the idea.
their reason. their live's just went in two different directions and they are no longer compatible...Just too difficult to work it out.
But don't worry..the ministry will go forward unhindered...They are even planning to expand their ministries....

Church|Sun, Aug. 26 2007 08:41 AM EDT
Megachurch Co-Pastors Announce Divorce


The married duo pastoring one of the nation's biggest churches is planning for divorce.

Randy and Paula White of Without Walls International in Tampa, Fla., announced their decision to split at their Thursday evening service, shocking most congregants and bringing some to tears.

"It's the most difficult decision I've ever had to make in my entire life," Randy White told the congregation with Paula by his side at the podium appearing choked up, according to Tampa Bay Online.

Married nearly 18 years, the Whites, who have both been married and divorced before, said in interviews that the split is amicable. They also mentioned that the divorce comes after years of visits to counselors.

Trouble in the couple's marriage was picked up by The Tampa Tribune in May as the two were rarely seen preaching together anymore.

Both blamed the two different directions their lives are going.

Paula, 41, the church's senior pastor, leads her own ministry, making frequent trips as a sought-after speaker, author and televangelist. She leads monthly services at her newly opened Life by Design Empowerment Center in New York, appears regularly on "The Tyra Banks Show" as a life coach and serves as oversight pastor at Family Praise Center in San Antonio, Texas.

Meanwhile, Randy, 49, has been traveling to Malibu, Calif., where he plans to start another church, he told his Tampa congregation. He already signed a one-year lease on a beachfront dwelling there but plans for the new church are on hold, according to TBO.

Randy White will remain at Without Walls as senior pastor and Paula will remain based in Tampa and pledged to return frequently to preach.

 

[ARBITER01]

I don't see any scripture that says divorce annuls your calling from GOD.

 

[Bladers]

I don't see any scripture that says divorce annuls your calling from GOD.

This.

 

[Tobias]

I've been divorced. My first wife left me for someone else.

It took me completely by surprise. I never expected her to leave me like that, as I wouldn't have ever done that to her no matter how difficult things got. We were joined for life as far as I was concerned, and that was that.

Even so, I wasn't an idiot. I knew that there was trouble in our marriage. We had been helping out in the youth ministry at church, but as things progressed I didn't feel it was right for us to do so and therefore removed ourselves from ministry. That was probably at least 9 mo. before anything happened.

I let the leaders know we were having marital problems. There was no shame in that, not IMO. I wanted to focus my attentions on my wife, so ministry positions had to go! It was simple and basic integrity. A minister should have his own house and family in order, shouldn't he?

When she left me, she committed adultery, bigamy, and abandoned the children in my care. Most of the people I knew wanted me to just destroy her reputation with this information. But i wasn't concerned about her sin, I was looking at my own, searching for what I had left undone that may have caused her to do what she did. I knew I was far less than perfect, and had no desire to cast stones.

When faced with difficult situations like this, I tend to look at myself to see what I have done to contribute to the problem. So when I hear of someone like TB talking about prematurely starting an emotional relationship with a woman, I naturally think that he's probably being a little bit hard on himself (just like I would be), and finding excuses why such a relationship may not have been all that bad. I forget that there are some people who feel the need to spin the story, and confess only as much of their deeds as what they have been caught doing!

I guess the point of this is, I can't imagine how anybody can stay in ministry while going through a divorce. Especially married pastors, who both continue to keep their ministries going!

 

[Tobias]

It would be refreshing... Once in a while I will watch a secualr movie where the main character does the heroic and honorable thing and I think it would be nice to see some of that being modeled by Church leadership in America instead of all these confusing the real issues and demanding their rights.

It's a shame when we get better moral values from watching secular TV, than from the Christian channels!

 

[JEBrady]

I don't see any scripture that says divorce annuls your calling from GOD.

Not even sin annuls the calling of God, for the calling of God is without repentance. A minister who fails to keep his body under can become disqualified, however, and no longer be capable of fulfilling the call.

There can be innocents who are married to a mate who defects and turns from God, and this would end up in divorce without necessarily disqualifying the innocent party with respect to ministry. However, it takes two to tango, and it is probably not often just a matter of one person being wrong when a divorce occurs.

The ministry isn't easy. If the shepherd can be struck, the sheep can be scattered, and it takes a life of uncompromising devotion to God to succeed. You are going to be in the gunsights of every carnal Christian you stand before, and the devil will be stirring up everything he can against you. There are those who won't compromise, and who finish the race and receive the crown, though. I had the privilege to witness one such man who was my pastor, and neither he nor his wife ever compromised, and he went through a very painful illness with cancer. But even when he was on his bed of pain, his concern was for the church. His wife continues to serve God and minister to women in the church in his absence.

When Elijah thought he was the only one left, the Lord said, "I still have 7,000 in Israel who haven't bowed their knee to Baal". And so, there is a faithful remnant today. It's too bad they mostly aren't the ones you see before the cameras on TV.

 

[ARBITER01]

Not even sin annuls the calling of God, for the calling of God is without repentance. A minister who fails to keep his body under can become disqualified, however, and no longer be capable of fulfilling the call.

There can be innocents who are married to a mate who defects and turns from God, and this would end up in divorce without necessarily disqualifying the innocent party with respect to ministry. However, it takes two to tango, and it is probably not often just a matter of one person being wrong when a divorce occurs.

The ministry isn't easy. If the shepherd can be struck, the sheep can be scattered, and it takes a life of uncompromising devotion to God to succeed. You are going to be in the gunsights of every carnal Christian you stand before, and the devil will be stirring up everything he can against you. There are those who won't compromise, and who finish the race and receive the crown, though. I had the privilege to witness one such man who was my pastor, and neither he nor his wife ever compromised, and he went through a very painful illness with cancer. But even when he was on his bed of pain, his concern was for the church. His wife continues to serve God and minister to women in the church in his absence.

When Elijah thought he was the only one left, the Lord said, "I still have 7,000 in Israel who haven't bowed their knee to Baal". And so, there is a faithful remnant today. It's too bad they mostly aren't the ones you see before the cameras on TV.

Thank you Brady for actually reading your bible and knowing what it says on the subject. People here were making him out to be automatically disqualified since he was going through a divorce, and there is nothing in the bible about that. On the other hand, if adultery was involved on his part with the divorce, that would certainly disqualify himself before people.

We'll see what happens.

 

[K2K]

Is there anything in the Scriptures against gossip?

Did God remove David from being king when He had an affair? Who was Solomon's mother?

I have been to a couple of Binny Hinn crusades and have seen God provide incredible power there. Still I always understood it was the Lord and not Binny Hinn who was perfect. It seems to me that if anyone feared the Lord, they would be a little fearful of coming against someone whom the Lord used like Binny Hinn. Let the Lord do what He needs to do, and we need to worry about what we need to do.

I know there is something written down about who should be throwing the first stone.

 

[Questioning Christian]

Criticizing God's anointed for gossip is really the same as criticizing God's anointed for a lack of good judgment.

So if Person A criticizes God's anointed for poor choices, then Person B criticizes Person A for gossip, what's the difference?

Isn't Person A also God's anointed?

 

[Questioning Christian]

Besides, when you read "touch not mine anointed", it's not written to the people about the anointed leadership.

It's written to the leadership about the anointed people.

I Chronicles 16:19-22 -

When they were but few in number, few indeed, and strangers in it, they wandered from nation to nation, from one kingdom to another.

He allowed no man to oppress them; for their sake he rebuked kings:

Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm.

 

[Questioning Christian]

"Touch not mine anointed" is not a warning to the people.

It's a warning specifically to leadership. They are much more accountable than we are.

That's why Jesus was always saying "don't offend one of these little ones, or it would be better to hang a millstone on your neck and get thrown down the bottom of the sea" ...

or why he was always saying "do not forbid the little ones to come to me" [in response to the Apostles elbowing the kids out]...

or why he was always saying "woe unto you scribes and Pharisees; for you are the blind leading the blind"...

or why he was always saying "woe to you scribes and Pharisees, for you shut up the kingdom of heaven away from people"...

or why he was always saying "woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, for you search land and sea for one convert, and you make them twofold the child of hell as yourselves."

I don't ever see Jesus warning the sheep about how they treated the shepherds.

I do, however, see Jesus warning the shepherds about how they treated the sheep.

But we have reversed Jesus' original message in our day and time.

We can understand what the prophets in the Old Testament meant by "touch not mine anointed" when we see what the Prophet DID in the New Testament. Jesus' actions fulfilled Old Testament instructions, so we can know what they MEANT by watching what he DID.

If Jesus was always saying "don't smite the sheep", and never said "don't smite the leaders", then we know his heart was not to protect the good-old-boy buddy system of the ministerial hierarchy!

We have taken care of a lot of shepherds who reciprocate comparatively little or no care for the sheep, after they've sheared the flock for all the wool they can get. They have lived extremely well off of us.

Perhaps what is called "touching God's anointed" is really God rebuking the shepherds for how they have touched God's anointed flock.