Limited atonement !

[Spiritual Jew]

He died for the many before they become believers.

No, He died for all people in the world to graciously give all people in the world the opportunity to receive eternal life. Some choose to embrace that opportunity and accept it and some choose to reject it.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

1 John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

Acts 17:30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.

Revelation 3:20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

@zoidar



False teaching, men by nature are at enmity against God, dead in sin, and are under the control of a spirit of disobedience, which is unbelief Eph 2:2-3

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Why then do they have no excuse for being at enmity against God? Your doctrine gives them an excuse. You say they are just born that way and can't help but be that way. You need to rethink how you are interpreting that passage because your interpretation contradicts this passage...

Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) and are "by nature the children of wrath" because of that, but that does not mean anyone has any excuse for not repenting of their sins and acknowledging God and glorifying Him as God while giving thanks to Him. But, your doctrine gives people an excuse because you say they have no ability to recognize their sinful state and to repent of their sins and put their faith in Christ for their salvation while acknowledging that they can't save themselves.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Spiritual Jew

No, He died for all people in the world to graciously give all people in the world the opportunity to receive eternal life.

You start off in error, no need to even read the rest

 

[Brightfame52]

Why then do they have no excuse for being at enmity against God? Your doctrine gives them an excuse. You say they are just born that way and can't help but be that way. You need to rethink how you are interpreting that passage because your interpretation contradicts this passage...

Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) and are "by nature the children of wrath" because of that, but that does not mean anyone has any excuse for not repenting of their sins and acknowledging God and glorifying Him as God while giving thanks to Him. But, your doctrine gives people an excuse because you say they have no ability to recognize their sinful state and to repent of their sins and put their faith in Christ for their salvation while acknowledging that they can't save themselves.

You dot make a bit of sense to me friend. Look at my previous posts so you can understand what you up against.

 

[zoidar]

New Covenant Blood of Christ wasnt shed for all mankind, but only for a Many Matt 26:28

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

So the Many shall receive the result for which the Covenant blood was shed for them for, the remission or forgivenss of sins,

So Jesus gives all the New Covenant recipients repentance and forgivenss/remission of sins, which the shedding of His Blood demands for them Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

They are children of the Covenant Acts 3:25

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

First of all Ac5:31 mentions the nation of Israel, the Jews, you seem to think it refers to something else.

In Matt 26:28 it's the same as I stated in earlier posts, Jesus shed his blood for those who receive him. It's an open number. It's like you make a vaccin for those who take it. At the same time you make it so everyone will have the chance to take it. The atonement is an open invitation.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

@Spiritual Jew



You start off in error, no need to even read the rest

Weak. Are you afraid to address challenges to your view? Get off your high horse. I take this as an admission that you have nothing to refute anything that I said. That is quite clear.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

You dot make a bit of sense to me friend. Look at my previous posts so you can understand what you up against.

It looks like I'm not up against much after looking at your weak arguments. Your arrogance is your downfall. You clearly are afraid to even attempt to address my arguments. What are you afraid of, Mr. Tough Guy?

 

[fhansen]

All I know is I was convicted of being a sinner and prayed to God for forgiveness and He made me alive/born again. I guess it can be differently for different people.

It's always a bit different, but then even our conviction and the faith it takes to pray has its roots in grace.

 

[zoidar]

It's always a bit different, but the even our conviction and the faith it takes to pray has its roots in grace.

True!

 

[Rescued One]

@zoidar



False teaching, men by nature are at enmity against God, dead in sin, and are under the control of a spirit of disobedience, which is unbelief Eph 2:2-3

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Unregenerated people say "No," to the Bible.

 

[Rescued One]

God said,
1 John 5 NKJV
19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

IOW, the whole world is under Satan's power.

Isaiah 53:12
...Yet he himself bore the sin of many...

Ephesians 2 reveals that
He saved us when we were dead and unable to respond.

 

[Rescued One]

It looks like I'm not up against much after looking at your weak arguments. Your arrogance is your downfall. You clearly are afraid to even attempt to address my arguments. What are you afraid of, Mr. Tough Guy?

Not nice.

 

[zoidar]

Unregenerated people say "No," to the Bible.

Not if they are convicted, then they say "yes" and are regenerated.

Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ⁠—this Jesus whom you crucified.” Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
— Acts 2:36-38

But about midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns of praise to God, and the prisoners were listening to them; and suddenly there came a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison house were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were unfastened. When the jailer awoke and saw the prison doors opened, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped. But Paul cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here!” And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas, and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
— Acts 16:25-31

 

[Rescued One]

Saying "Yes" is the result of being regenerated.

 

[Brightfame52]

Salvation has always been limited to Gods Elect, Yea even the Eternal Salvation in Christ Jesus with Eternal Glory. 2 Tim 2:10

Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

This compliments the OT announcement Isa 46:13

I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

Salvation is solely for Israel, Gods Elect from out of the jews and Gentiles. 14

 

[Brightfame52]

First of all Ac5:31 mentions the nation of Israel, the Jews, you seem to think it refers to something else.

In Matt 26:28 it's the same as I stated in earlier posts, Jesus shed his blood for those who receive him. It's an open number. It's like you make a vaccin for those who take it. At the same time you make it so everyone will have the chance to take it. The atonement is an open invitation.

No that's wrong, Acts 5:31 isn't national israel, its Spiritual Israel, the Spiral seed of Abraham that belonged to Christ, His Church Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Abrahams Seed and Israel are relatively the same, the Israel that belongs to Christ is the One in Acts 5:31, and that's who He specifically shed His New Covenant Blood for Matt 26:28

 

[Brightfame52]

Weak. Are you afraid to address challenges to your view? Get off your high horse. I take this as an admission that you have nothing to refute anything that I said. That is quite clear.

You started in error !

 

[Brightfame52]

Why then do they have no excuse for being at enmity against God? Your doctrine gives them an excuse. You say they are just born that way and can't help but be that way. You need to rethink how you are interpreting that passage because your interpretation contradicts this passage...

Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) and are "by nature the children of wrath" because of that, but that does not mean anyone has any excuse for not repenting of their sins and acknowledging God and glorifying Him as God while giving thanks to Him. But, your doctrine gives people an excuse because you say they have no ability to recognize their sinful state and to repent of their sins and put their faith in Christ for their salvation while acknowledging that they can't save themselves.

Aint no why, its Gods word, man by nature are at enmity against God, thats why

 

[Brightfame52]

Unregenerated people say "No," to the Bible.

They are at enmity against its spiritual principles while we are unregenerate we are in darkness, and even darkness, and spiritual truths are light, and the indictment Jn 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Jesus is speaking of the unregenerate world

Jn 3:19


And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

This speaks to the natural unregenerate persons affections towards Spiritual light, he loves his darkness rather than the light, that's just how it is, total spiritual depravity.

 

[zoidar]

Saying "Yes" is the result of being regenerated.

You mean a person is regenerated, saved and born again before he/she says "yes" to Christ?

for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
— Romans 10:13

The calling of the Lord is first, the salvation follows.

I don't know how you use the word "regenerated". I would say saved, born again, regenerated is the same thing.