Limited atonement !

[Rescued One]

By the way, I LOVE Romans.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Romans 6:18
18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

 

[Rescued One]

Reborn people aren't immune from it either- even though they should be more immune, at least. People have a tendency to fool themselves, for that matter.

Anyway, God places demands upon believers, and that's not a bad thing at all. The new covenant did not take that away.

We were slaves to sin, but Christ set us free; now we are being sanctified by God not ourselves.
"You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

Philippians 1:6
3I thank my God every time I remember you. 4In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

 

[fhansen]

We were slaves to sin, but Christ set us free; now we are being sanctified by God not ourselves.
"You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

Alright, this must mean that your overcoming sin and producing good fruit quite well, then, especially if you think righteounss is something you're now compelled to do, and unrighteousness impossible for you. And you can predict the perseverance that we're instructed and warned to have

"Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord." Heb 12:14

"To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life." Rom 2:7

"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God." Rom 8:12-14

 

[Rescued One]

Alright, this must mean that your overcoming sin and producing good fruit quite well, then, especially if you think righteounss is something you're now compelled to do, and unrighteousness impossible for you. And you can predict the perseverance that we're instructed and warned to have

"Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord." Heb 12:14

"To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life." Rom 2:7

"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God." Rom 8:12

Are you keeping the whole law? If not, you are a law breaker and you need a Savior.

ROMANS 10
…2For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge. 3Because they were ignorant of God’s righteousness and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes.…

JAMES 2
10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

 

[fhansen]

Are you keeping the whole law? If not, you are a law breaker and you need a Savior.

We're not under the law-we don't go by the law or even need to hear the law let alone try to prove some non-existent righteousness by obedience of the law. Our righteousness comes from God, alone, at justifaction-pure grace-and we must walk in that! If you understand the gospel, it does not not remove your obligation to be righteous. The alternative to that means we could sin wantonly, egregiously, and still expect to enter heaven, which is not only absurd, but unbibilcial.

 

[Rescued One]

Ephesians 1
3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5he predestined us for adoption to sonship c through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9he d made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

 

[fhansen]

Ephesians 1
3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5he predestined us for adoption to sonship c through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9he d made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

Just keep ticlkin' yer ears with the parts you prefer to hear-and ignore the full the gospel truth. Seems like you need to grow some in the knowledge referred to in vs 9.

 

[Rescued One]

We're not under the law-we don't go by the law or even need to hear the law let alone try to prove some non-existent righteousness by obedience of the law. Our righteousness comes from God, alone, at justifaction-pure grace-and we must walk in that! If you understand the gospel, it does not not remove your obligation to be righteous. The alternative to that means we could sin wantonly, egregiously, and still expect to enter heaven, which is not only absurd, but unbibilcial.

I am a slave to righteouness; my righteousness comes from Christ Who saved me. Christ forgives sin; He died to save me.

EPHESIANS 2
3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

 

[Rescued One]

Just keep ticlkin' yer ears with the parts you prefer to hear-and ignore the full the gospel truth. Seems like you need to grow some in the knowledge referred to in vs 9.

Your judgments don't trump truth. You ignore Ephesians 1 and 2.

 

[fhansen]

I am a slave to righteouness; my righteousness comes from Christ Who saved me. Christ forgives sin; He died to save me.

If you're a slave to righteousness then you're free from the slavery of sin that results in death-but that's a freedom you say is not possible.

 

[fhansen]

Your judgments don't trump truth. You ignore Ephesians 1 and 2.

I take the whole bible into account, understanding parts such as Eph 1 and 2 in light of that- and I don't discount the historic understanding of the churches either.

 

[Rescued One]

If you're a slave to righteousness then you're free from the slavery of sin that results in death-but that's a freedom you say is not possible.

Quote me.

 

[fhansen]

Quote me.

Ok-I just did..sorry.

Alright, so my apologies also if I've read you wrong on that part. There are many variations on the theme out there. I now think...you believe that the regenerated still sin but are being sanctified and will one day be made perfect in sanctity-even if that's only completed after death? And, you believe this to be guaranteed, and that a person can know with 100% certainty that they're regenerated/among the elect and know that they will persevere and not fail to become fully sanctified. But they sin even though they're slaves to righteousness? Maybe they're slaves to both? But they can never return to the flesh seriously or permanently enough to destroy thier relationship with God?

 

[Brightfame52]

Those Christ died for and with His Own Blood obtained Eternal Redemption, because of the efficasiousness of His Blood, they can never come under the penalty of sin, nor the law and satans dominion !

 

[fhansen]

Those Christ died for and with His Own Blood obtained Eternal Redemption, because of the efficasiousness of His Blood, they can never come under the penalty of sin, nor the law and satans dominion !

Right, and God, alone, knows for certain just who they are.

 

[Rescued One]

Ok-I just did..sorry.

Alright, so my apologies also if I've read you wrong on that part. There are many variations on the theme out there. I now think...you believe that the regenerated still sin but are being sanctified and will one day be made perfect in sanctity-even if that's only completed after death? And, you believe this to be guaranteed, and that a person can know with 100% certainty that they're regenerated/among the elect and know that they will persevere and not fail to become fully sanctified. But they sin even though they're slaves to righteousness? Maybe they're slaves to both? But they can never return to the flesh seriously or permanently enough to destroy thier relationship with God?

We are righteous by the imputed righteousness of Christ. We are being sanctified right now.

"But what does it mean to say that God is making us more Christlike? Simply put, it means that He is making us more holy. He is working in us to cause us to live holy lives.

"This grand restoration process begins when God’s Spirit regenerates our hearts. Raising us from spiritual death, He gives us faith to trust the sacrificial death of Christ for our salvation. At that point, God declares us just (holy) in His eyes. The righteousness (holiness) of Christ is reckoned to our accounts, so that we are holy in God’s sight."
ligonier.org

I have no desire to live in sin. My desire is to bring glory to God and to let my light shine.

Genuine faith is real. Others claim to have faith but later turn their backs on God.

"They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us."
1 John 2:19

 

[Rescued One]

Ok-I just did..sorry.

Alright, so my apologies also if I've read you wrong on that part. There are many variations on the theme out there. I now think...you believe that the regenerated still sin but are being sanctified and will one day be made perfect in sanctity-even if that's only completed after death? And, you believe this to be guaranteed, and that a person can know with 100% certainty that they're regenerated/among the elect and know that they will persevere and not fail to become fully sanctified. But they sin even though they're slaves to righteousness? Maybe they're slaves to both? But they can never return to the flesh seriously or permanently enough to destroy thier relationship with God?

We are no longer slaves to sin because we belong to Christ. Sin is disgusting.

"You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ."
Romans 8:9

 

[fhansen]

We are no longer slaves to sin because we belong to Christ. Sin is disgusting.

"You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ."
Romans 8:9

Ok, so forgive me if I'm struggling a bit here. You're a slave to righteousness and sin is disgusting to you while it's understood that sanctification is a process-progressive- meaning that you still sin? Or you don't sin-you're perfectly sinless? Or you sin but it's not counted against you because Christ's righteousness is imputed to you?

 

[Rescued One]

Sanctification is what happens to those who are already saved and if I were to recognize sins, I would repent. I am not aware of ongoing sins at this time. Sin would not prevent what God is accomplishing in the one He has saved and is sanctifying. You probably have a Bible and don't need my explanations anymore. You can also research online. I've given you several quotes from the Bible. Do you need more?

 

[Brightfame52]

He died for many, not all

for by his righteousness many {not all} were justified, {Is.53:11,} because he bare or suffered for their iniquities;

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Isa 53:12

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Heb 9:28

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.