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What is God's Calendar ?

Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. (Genesis 1:14-15)



As December winds up, many people look forward to a new year, and with it, consider hopes and dreams for accomplishing goals. However, many Bible readers are unaware that the calendar most of the world follows today is not the biblical calendar God set back in Genesis and Exodus—and the new year doesn’t begin in January. Indeed, God has a calendar, and the Bible tells us all about it. His is a different system of days, months, years, and seasons than what we follow today—and there is much we can learn from it about God and how He has operated over time.

Ultimately, Satan does not want God’s people to follow the biblical calendar because like so many other types and shadows in the Old Testament, it points to Israel’s Messiah and affirms the accuracy of God’s Word. Satan’s goal has always been to lie and deceive. Even Daniel said: “He will think to change times (seasons) and laws” (Daniel 7:25).


It was decided that Wednesday 2nd September 1752 would be followed by Thursday 14th September 1752, losing the people 11 days.

Orange Is the New Black

So the debate has inevitably spawned multiple memes. The most surprising one of course, was the one that resulted from a speech Biden gave a few days later.


Mr Biden’s family was concerned about his make-up at the presidential debate against Trump on Thursday, when he appeared “pale and pallid”, according to a report in the New York Times.
Four days later, Mr Biden had a darker complexion more often associated with Trump’s love of fake tan.


People are having some fun with this...here's a couple of examples.

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And my personal favorite....
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Some will see this as childish....but it highlights (pun intended) the real problem with the Biden-Harris Administration. Joe is a rubber stamp...not a leader. He ran in 2020 on "bridging the divide" between left and right and undoing all the wrong done by Trump. Now he's literally just doing Trump's platform....putting an end to asylum, tariffs on China, etc. One might ask...why?

The answer is simple...because he's a rubber stamp. He has no real platform or direction....he does as he's told. This is great if you're some bureaucrat with big dreams but no real power...you've got a rubber stamp. It's also great if you're some idealogue with no clue how the world works and you believe in open borders or all EV vehicles by 2030....rubber stamp. After all, you can't be blamed if these things fail...Joe will....
If you're wondering why Joe is still running....that's why. The regular Democratic Party establishment is still robbing the public and taking big money from corporations that want cheap labor. The idealogues will go along with almost anything (except supporting Israel or fixing higher education) as long as they get to inject their ideological nonsense into public school children and they get to try their fantasy version of a society where criminals run free, borders are open, "sustainable energy" isn't restricted by math or reality, and political opponents silenced or jailed.
The problem they seem to have failed to see is that a rubber stamp isn't a leader. It's not something to vote for. Democracy has an intrinsic aspect of accountability....if someone does a poor job, they can be replaced during the next election. The people who have their agendas rubber stamped by Joe are faceless....we don't know exactly who they are. In 2021 and early 2022...Joe would stand in front of the press, make statements, and then a day later the "white house" would explain that he made a mistake and those things he said he would do....aren't what he's doing. By late 2022...Joe slips and says "I do what they tell me to do" (paraphrasing) more than once. It's hard for anyone to convincingly suggest that Biden will improve over the next 4 years. If anyone imagines Harris will do better...consider how little she's actually done under an administration where a capable VP should have shined like a lighthouse in a fog. As comedian Tim Dillon put it...."she sounds like she speaks in gypsy curses".
These aren't reasons to vote for Trump. Obviously, some people will not vote for Trump if Biden died, they threw some aviator sunglasses on him, and his corpse was shuffled around the world in some weird "Weekend At Bernie's" type scenario. I understand that some vote blue no matter who. If however, you don't, consider the message you are sending to the Democratic Party if you vote for Biden this time around. You don't need any clear platform, you don't need any clear policies, there's no amount of failure you aren't willing to overlook, and it quite literally doesn't matter if the candidate they give you cannot read the teleprompter. You will have given them the green light to end any meaningful sort of democracy.
Force the Democratic Party run on something other than "we're not Trump"...because they're so desperate at this point, they're imitating Trump. Force them to push real candidates and if they can't find any leaders....force them to develop some. Force them to create real policies, real strategies, and real laws that improve our crumbling institutions. They know higher education is badly broken...shifting the cost to those who didn't get the loans or degrees solves nothing. It's all well and good that they want EVs...but we don't even have the power grid to charge them. Force them to justify sending 100 billion dollars to keep the Ukraine fighting while they run out of soldiers and this war never had to happen if they had negotiated a loss of territory that was ethnically Russian to begin with. They now appear to be on the brink of losing everything and Zelensky himself is curious about what sort of deals Trump thinks he can negotiate. Biden can't negotiate lunch....even the Saudis don't answer when he calls. Only our enemies seem to have a lot of praise for Biden....and that's not a good thing. Your lack of a vote can matter just as much as your vote this year.






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The Conspiracy of Silence to Protect Joe Biden The president’s mental decline was like a dark family secret for many elite supporters


This is a very long article. It is about 18 pages long. In my opinion, Olivia Nuzzi, the New York’s Washington correspondent, has written an excellent in-depth analysis of Joe Biden and the efforts to protect the truth about Joe Biden's health issues and senility from being made common knowledge to the public.
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What is Keswickian theology?

So, as an American evangelical, I have encountered the term "Keswickian theology." I know nothing about it aside from that it's somewhat similar to Wesleyan-Holiness theology in that it teaches progressive sanctification and it's the view promoted by the Christian and Missionary Alliance.


What can you tell me about it? How does it differ from Wesleyan-Holiness and Arminianism? Would it be closer to Provisionism?

Accusations of schism flying in run up to General Synod

General Synod begins on Friday and it looks as if the "new spirit of generosity and pragmatism" which Bishop Martyn Snow recently identified is going to be in short supply.

Earlier this week, the orthodox grouping 'The Alliance' wrote an open letter to the Archbishops of York and Canterbury pleading with them, not to introduce standalone services of blessing for same-sex couples without following, "the lawful constitutional path to preserve the unity of the Church throughout the Anglican Communion."

But it was not just the process that concerned them – The Alliance believe that introducing such services would "be part of a schismatic move which departs from the teaching received and upheld not only by the vast majority of the Anglican Communion (representing around 75% of the Anglican Communion's 80 million members), the Roman Catholic Church, the Orthodox Churches but also the vast majority of other churches around the world".

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Is it wrong to wear a crucifix?

The Bible does not explicitly prohibit or command the wearing of crucifixes. It is a matter of Christian freedom up to your conscience. Does it remind you of Christ's death and sacrifice? Or do you wear it as a fashion trend? Are you wearing it in faith?

I would not do it. But then, I don't even wear a watch.

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“Allah does not approve”; South Carolina Terrorist Attacks Furries at Anthrocon with a Sword; One Pinkie Severely Sliced

You don't believe in violent gay Muslim furries? You haven't visited South Carolina!

S.C. man visiting Pittsburgh for furry convention charged in hotel sword attack

A South Carolina man in Pittsburgh for the Anthrocon Convention has been charged with attacking his friend with a sword on Thursday inside a Downtown hotel room.

Medics reported that the victim had a severe cut splitting his right pinkie finger and damage to his bone, the complaint said. The man told medics that he would go to the hospital on his own for stitches.

The witness told officers the group was going to arrive on Thursday, but O’Leary, who is a friend of theirs, asked them to come a day early and stay in his hotel room until the group’s room was ready, the complaint said.

The men were getting ready to go to bed around 1 a.m. when the witness told police that he heard O’Leary yell, “Allah does not approve,” leave the bed, and grab a large, black sword. O’Leary began “wildly swinging” it at the man, the complaint said.

The victim told police that he and O’Leary had briefly dated over the winter but were now just friends.

ABC will now air Biden interview with Stephanopoulos tonight (Friday) at 8pm instead of Sunday.

Feeling the timeliness of the material, ABC will now air the video today.

Why ABC moved the Biden interview to air Friday night

Anchor George Stephanopoulos is expected to interview Biden on Friday in Wisconsin, the president’s first extended interview with a major media network since his disastrous debate performance last week that has led many in the Democratic Party to question whether Biden should be the nominee. ABC had planned to release clips Friday evening, and the whole interview would air during Stephanopoulos’ Sunday morning show, “This Week With George Stephanopoulos.”

Recognizing this extraordinary political moment, however, ABC had a change of heart. ABC News realized it would be uncomfortable to hold onto the interview for nearly two days, according to a source familiar with the matter. ABC may have been accused, fairly or not, of hiding something, and the news cycle is moving at a rapid pace.

A network source told CNN that because the story is of “national interest,” ABC decided to make it a “primetime special” to air the same day the interview is taking place.

Judge Blocks Biden Administration’s Inclusion of ‘Gender Identity’ in Title IX Regulations

Major Democratic donors want Joe out


After several days of quiet griping and hoping that President Biden would abandon his re-election campaign on his own, many wealthy Democratic donors are trying to take matters into their own hands.​
Wielding their fortunes as both carrot and stick, donors have undertaken a number of initiatives to pressure Mr. Biden to step down from the top of the ticket and help lay the groundwork for an alternate candidate.​
A group of them is working to raise as much as $100 million for a sort of escrow fund, called the Next Generation PAC, that would be used to support a replacement candidate. If Mr. Biden does not step aside, the money could be used to help down-ballot candidates, according to people close to the effort.​
Supporters of potential replacements like Vice President Kamala Harris are jockeying to position their preferred successor. Other donors are threatening to withhold contributions not only from Mr. Biden but also from other Democratic groups unless Mr. Biden bows out.​
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Vatican Excommunicates Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò for Schism

The ruling comes after Archbishop Viganò defied a Vatican summons to appear before the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith to face charges of schism last week.

The Vatican has officially excommunicated Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith announced Friday.

Archbishop Viganò was found guilty of the canonical crime, or delict, of schism, or the refusal to submit to the Pope or the communion of the Church, at the conclusion of the Vatican’s extrajudicial penal process on July 4.

The Vatican’s doctrine office announced the“latae sententiae” excommunication (automatic excommunication) on July 5, citing Archbishop Viganò’s “public statements manifesting his refusal to recognize and submit to the Supreme Pontiff, his rejection of communion with the members of the Church subject to him, and of the legitimacy and magisterial authority of the Second Vatican Council.”

The former papal nuncio to the United States is now excommunicated, the most serious penalty a baptized person can incur, which consists of being placed outside the communion of the faithful of the Catholic Church and denied access to the sacraments.

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Is modern Western Civilization headed down the path of Sodom?

Ezekiel 16:49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

Hermeneutic understanding of this passage binds to this specific passage of scripture.​

Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

This binds to these verses.
John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right.
9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. 12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

By Colossians 1, we know that Jesus Christ's blood atoned for all creation. Because of this, we are not to count those that haven't repented from self to Jesus as "not our neighbor". In fact, we are to count even the unrepentant as "the least of these". They are enemies of the gospel in many instances, yet Peter writes this oddity.
2 Peter 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they had known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
(The Holy Commandment) John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
Under the very words; "Be ye perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect", Jesus teaches us to Love far beyond our "family". He states that even the heathens do that. To display the "Perfect Love" of our heavenly Father, we are to love, even our enemies as Jesus did on the cross. Paul even specifies that we were all, once enemies of God. This is why I am scripturally unable to reconcile peace with any doctrine that limits the flow of Jesus Christ's Blood. It would be defaming the core of the Gospel which Jesus and all of the Apostles speak of, time and time again.

We have fat provision as Western Civilization. Even those in poverty have more than most in other locations. We are steeped with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus forgave All Sin of the Old Covenant. We are under the Law of Love. We have deep knowledge of the Love of Jesus Christ unto all mankind, yet many doctrines dam up Love unto all mankind.


The Physical reading of the Sheep and the Goats is very obvious, but the Spiritual reading of the Sheep and the Goats is very upsetting.

I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.

Matthew 25:42,43 I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat

Jesus is the very Bread of life that teaches us to Love one another. That is His easy yoke. It is fulfilling to Love as God Loves, by His indwelling. His bread is free to all and especially satisfying to beggars​
I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
If a person simply turns from self to Jesus, He instantly indwells them, as they are (thanks to personal repentance), and bubbles up a fountain of Wisdom and Love that again implores one to satisfy humanity with the Magnificent Bread of Life (Jesus). The words that proceed from HIS MOUTH satisfy the most broken of souls.​

43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in,
Spiritually, this is a twofold wonder. Strangers in need, that would be healed by the Gospel are not allowed to enter Physical Brick and Mortar buildings as Brethren, because of their Physical Sins, that Jesus Christ's blood atoned for. They are shunned. Many people also shun these same people because of their physical sins that Jesus atoned for.​
The other wonder of this verse is that it suggests that people who transgress the Royal Law (Love our neighbor's as Jesus Loved us), have driven Jesus out of their lives and by not turning back to his Royal Commandment (Love), they have shut Him out of their Souls.​

I needed clothes and you did not clothe me,
The wedding garment has been provided for every human being that has ever lived. It is merely Repentance and willingness to become a vessel of LOVE (God's indwelling), that leads us to Love as Commanded by His work, not ours. Even the most carnally destitute of mankind can PUT ON JESUS CHRIST for the mere cost of Surrender/Repentance unto Him, which always results in Unfettered Love unto mankind that Breaks Chains.​

I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.
There is no greater Prison than slavery to a system that is unloving. Jesus is the only key to this prison! But, even so, those that have much financially, could help those that live in areas that rebuke the Gospel and imprison it's witnesses. That last part was carnal, but back to Spiritual, Chains of addiction are not broken by physical will, but Love. Love is the source of all healing in this world. Hate is born of everything else.​
I don't have the right to indict humanity of Western Civilization. I can merely ask this question. Has the Royal Commandment of LOVE been exalted unto the greatest and the least, within Western Civilization? Do those who have been forgiven much, love much? These are personal questions to work out with fear and trembling. IMO​

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The Need to interpret the Genesis creation account literally.

Do you interpret the Genesis creation account literally?

  • Yes, without doubt (Literal)

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • Not strictly, but roughly (symbolic)

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • I see it as allegorically or figuratively true (Figurative)

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • I see it similarly to creation myths (Mythical)

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • I am not at all concerned with it

    Votes: 3 17.6%

Ever since the Renaissance back in the 15th and 16th centuries the literal interpretation has been challenged. We have the divine between liberal and conservative. approaches to the Bible. I am more interested in Why we hold the views that we hold.

For me, I think it comes down to a different question, 'Does God act and work through human effort? That is to say science, geology, archeology, higher critical methods of scripture study, etc. I also think God would will a consistency or correlation between science discoveries and truth of history. In there words something like "imbedded age theory" would make no sense.

Of course the bring another question. What can be taken as literal and what is the criteria to decide?

I am rather amazed at how many people I talk with DO take the Genesis creation accounts literally.

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I was on CF years ago, and kind of wandered away from it.

I’ve been Christian for almost 50 years, but nowhere near where I should be as a Christian.

I’ve been married for 15 years, I’m a cat rescuer, a bookworm, and I enjoy music (jazz, classical, contemporary Christian, Celtic) movies SF, western, action, comedy), and politics. I’m on our city tree board.

Discussion on Karl Barth's The Epistle to the Romans.

Hi folks,

I'd love to foster a discussion on various theology books (I'm a bit of a book worm). I just finished K. Barth's Epistle to the Romans. I hail from the Anglican Catholic (Oxford movement) tradition but have a strong interest in reformed theology as well. These are some of my thoughts and I'd love to hear others perspectives who are versed in theological literature (my background is in Catholic and Classical Jewish Theology). In some ways it was an excellent rebuttal of liberal christianity and orthodox reformed protestantism. Barth's work seems to treat Christ's resurrection as unknowable noumena, threatening to sever the founding event from the church and symbolic tradition founded on it. This presents a number of similar (and dangerous) implications as much of liberal christian thought, which often attempts to find ways to make sense of Christ's ressurection without validating its historical necessity. I also read it a a deeply ant-catholic work in a lot of the ways it relates belief to classical notions of reason.
Anyway love to hear other people's thoughts on the work, including those who found it more of a positive contribution to Christian Theology than I do (which doesn't mean it isnt fascinating and valuable to study).

Revelation 23

Just testing :D

There never has been a literal Revelation Chapter 23. Revelation ends with Chapter 22.

There are sermons that have been entitled “Rev 23”, but those are part of a figurative sermon(s) that seek to expound on the post New Heaven and New Earth life with Christ.

A similar analogy would be the Acts 29 movement in China. There is no literal Acts 29. But the movement seeks to follow Christ as if it's the 1st century as a continuation of the early church but now in the present tense. China persecutes Christians today like many were persecuted by the Roman govt.

You can find plenty of nonsense on YouTube including preachers and teachers that misguide and mislead others.

Rest assured that John ended this inspired letter to the 7 churches of Asia at the conclusion of Chapter 22.

Why are Christians patriotic?

Can someone show me, from Biblical point of view, why Christianity is related to patriotism in many people's minds? I mean, I can see why this would be true when it comes to State of Israel. Of course there are many opinions in terms of whether it applies to Israel today, but that's besides the point. The point is: I know that there are verses about it, there is just a disagreement on how to interpret them. But if you look at the other countries, such as either US or Russia, then those countries are not even in the Bible, so what makes Christians living in those countries think they have to be patriotic? Again, I am not asking about proper interpretation of those verses. I am asking you to simply point what those verses are. Even if you disagree with interpretation, at least you know what those verses are in case of Israel. Now, tell me what are the verses in case of US or Russia?

And yes, I mentioned US and Russia for a reason. I was born in Russia and I moved to US at the age of 14. As such, I know that Russians view Russia as a holy land. And, of course, Americans view America as such. Which makes it ironic given how Russia and US oppose each other politically. So each side thinks their side is God and the opposing side is the devil. Neither side is aware that Christians on the other side also think God is on their side (at least neither side ever mentioned it). But then again, given that Putin and Trump seem to support each other, and each of them is being supported by Christians of their respective countries, it is kind of brings those two patriotisms together; but, again, neither side seemed to acknowledge it.

As far as US goes, some say it was founded on Babilon, which would be a good reason "not to be" patriotic. I guess they argue out of it by saying that patriotism applies to the time of founding fathers, while Babilon applies to today. But this doesn't really cut it. If prophetic role of the US is to be Babilon, then it was predestined to be one even at the time of founding fathers. Yet their claim is that America's true purpose was to be the nation of God, as exemplified by founding fathers, and it simply strayed from its biblical purpose nowdays. But, if so, how can you say it is a fulfillment of prophecy of Babilon?

As far as Russia goes, I read on the internet few weeks ago that in the Old Testament there was a hostile kingdom of Rush, which is believed to be Russia. If thats the case, then how can they possibly claim to be a holy nation? Or, if they reject the idea that Rush refers to Russia, then again we are faced with the question: where is Russia in the Bible?

Einstein vs Bohr parallels Calvinism vs Arminianism

On the science front, Einstein believed in determinism while Bohr believed in randomness. On religion front, Calvinism believes in predestination while Arminianism believes in free will. So the two parallel each other.

I used to be an atheist before I was 22, and became Christian starting from the age of 22 onward. Back when I was an atheist. I was a strong believer in determinism. Even after I learned quantum mechanics, I used to believe that there are hidden variables that would ensure determinism even in that context. I was unaware of Calvinism, I assumed all Christians believed in free will. And, in fact, this was one of my reasons of rejecting Christianity.

Then, after I became a Christian I subscribed to free will belief (by default). I learned about Calvinism only few years later. And when I learned about it, it was very hard to swallow, because it seems unfair. Which is ironic: back when I was an atheist, I believed in determinism. But that is because, as an atheist, I didn't expect anything to be fair.

I imagine there are probably other atheists, who oppose Christianity on the different ground that I did. Namely, they might say Christians are Calvinist, which would make it unfair. I haven't met them (I mean I don't meet a lot of people in general) but it seems right up their alley, since in current discourse atheists accuse Christians of biggotry a lot, they just don't mention Calvinism as they do it.

So its rather interesting: atheists that are motivated by science (like I was) would probably oppose Arminian version of Christianity, while atheists that are motivated by fairness (like American leftists) would oppose Calvinist version of Christianity.

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