There must be a twisting of Scripture to deceive God's people.

[maco]

Prove I don't follow Jesus teachings. Prove anyone here is REPLACING the Sabbath with Sunday....... PROVE IT.

The proof is in the pudding. Do you honor the seventh day in light of what it represents as a testimony of creation and part the fact that it's part of creation itself? No you don't. Do you honor Sunday, for whatever your reason might be? Yes you do. Oh you might say you and all other Sunday keepers don't honor Sunday but you do.

 

[maco]

Yes sir. The rest of the Bible is of not value. Now where id d you say Jesus said to keep the Sabbath? Three years and counting the refusal to post such a verse by your camp.

In His life example and in His teachings regarding Sabbath keeping. Remember, we must walk as Jesus walked.

 

[Sophrosyne]

The proof is in the pudding. Do you honor the seventh day in light of what it represents as a testimony of creation and part the fact that it's part of creation itself? No you don't. Do you honor Sunday, for whatever your reason might be? Yes you do. Oh you might say you and all other Sunday keepers don't honor Sunday but you do.

I don't address straw man arguments. You don't have Sunday keepers here to lambast and exalt yourself as superior to.

 

[from scratch]

The proof is in the pudding. Do you honor the seventh day in light of what it represents as a testimony of creation and part the fact that it's part of creation itself? No you don't. Do you honor Sunday, for whatever your reason might be? Yes you do. Oh you might say you and all other Sunday keepers don't honor Sunday but you do.

Your pudding tastes terrible cause its missing some key ingredients.

 

[from scratch]

In His life example and in His teachings regarding Sabbath keeping. Remember, we must walk as Jesus walked.

You don't and refuse to do this yourself. So why are you demanding it of others?

 

[stevenfrancis]

Sophrosyne, SilverBlade, LarryP2

With the hundreds of verses that say the seventh day is the Lord's day I am still waiting for your one verse that tells us to honor the first day because of Jesus' resurrection. Just one verse is all I ask. We are to be people of the Bible aren't we?

Hi:
Regarding your last sentance, "We are to be people of the Bible aren't we"?, I would have to say, no. The documents of the New Testament of the Bible didn't exist for 30 - 40 years after the Resurrection of our Lord. It wasn't available as single canonized collection (vice individual scrolls/books, etc.) until the Council of Trent. It wasn't in the hands of the layman until after Guttenburg in the 1500's. So....while the Bible is the written Word of God, you couldn't validly say that we are "people of the Bible". We are the Church. The mystical body of Jesus Christ. We are to be people of Jesus Christ. We belong to Him, and His Church. Part of that, is the teaching left to us in the God inspired words of the Bible. But THE Word of God is Jesus Christ.

Though it is historically clear that the celebration of the Lord's Day, (the Mass) is on Sunday, it is also clear that Christians were not to scandalize each other, either way, and whichever day a man wants to worship the Lord is fine, so long as it conforms to their own conscience, and so long as it DOES HAPPEN. A Christian Jew could go to synagogue on Saturday, and meet with the brothers on Sunday, when the Apostles would preach, and most importantly they celebrated the Holy Eucharist with breaking of the bread.

Evidence for Sunday Worship -

A. That it is not forbidden:

New Testament: The Apostles-

Romans 14:1 Find room among you for a man of over-delicate conscience, without arguing about his scruples. 2 Another man can, in conscience, eat what he will; one who is scrupulous must be content with vegetable fare. 3 Let not the first, over his meat, mock at him who does not eat it, or the second, while he abstains, pass judgement on him who eats it. God, after all, has found room for him. 4 Who art thou, to pass judgement on the servant of another? Whether he keeps his feet or falls, concerns none but his master. And keep his feet he will; God is well able to give him a sure footing. 5 One man makes a distinction between this day and that; another regards all days alike; let either rest fully content in his own opinion. 6 He who observes the day, observes it in the Lord’s honour. Just so, he who eats does so in the Lord’s honour; he gives thanks to God for it; and he who abstains from eating abstains in the Lord’s honour, and he too thanks God. 7 None of us lives as his own master, and none of us dies as his own master. 8 While we live, we live as the Lord’s servants, when we die, we die as the Lord’s servants; in life and in death, we belong to the Lord. 9 That was why Christ died and lived again; he would be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 And who art thou, to pass judgement on thy brother? Who art thou, to mock at thy brother? We shall all stand, one day, before the judgement-seat of Christ; 11 (so we read in scripture, As I live, says the Lord, there is no knee but shall bend before me, no tongue but shall pay homage to God);

Coll 2:16 So no one must be allowed to take you to task over what you eat or drink, or in the matter of observing feasts, and new moons, and sabbath days; 17 all these were but shadows cast by future events, the reality is found in Christ.

B. That it was practiced -

Act 20:7 When the new week began, we had met for the breaking of bread, and Paul was preaching to them; he meant to leave them next day, and he continued speaking till midnight.

Acts 20:7 ἐν δὲ τῇ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων συνηγμένων ἡμῶν κλάσαι ἄρτον ὁ Παῦλος διελέγετο αὐτοῖς, μέλλων ἐξιέναι τῇ ἐπαύριον, παρέτεινέν τε τὸν λόγον μέχρι μεσονυκτίου.

Acts 20: 7 Una autem sabbati cum convenissemus ad frangendum panem, Paulus disputabat cum eis profecturus in crastinum, protraxitque sermonem usque in mediam noctem.

Notice the same Greek and Latin are used in Luke 24:1, On Easter morning when the women were going to the tomb: Una autem sabbati/1 Τῇ δὲ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων


Apoc 1:10 And there, on the Lord’s day, I fell into a trance, and heard behind me a voice, loud as the call of a trumpet,

Apoc 1:10 ἐγενόμην ἐν πνεύματι ἐν τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ, καὶ ἤκουσα ὀπίσω μου φωνὴν μεγάλην ὡς σάλπιγγος

Apoc 1:10 fui in spiritu in dominica die, et audivi post me vocem magnam tamquam tubæ,
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That it continued to be taught and practiced by the Church-

History/Tradition/Church Fathers:

The Didache (Teachings of the Apostles)

But every Lord's day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

Ignatius of Antioch

[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e., Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

The Didascalia

The apostles further appointed; On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).

Victorinus

The sixth day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. . . . On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the seventh day he rested from all his works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord's Day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. Let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews . . . which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished (The Creation of the World [A.D. 300]).

Eusebius

They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 325]).

[T]he day of his [Christ's] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord's day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic Law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the Apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).

Athanasius

The Sabbath was the end of the first creation, the Lord's day was the beginning of the second, in which he renewed and restored the old in the same way as he prescribed that they should formerly observe the Sabbath as a memorial of the end of the first things, so we honor the Lord's day as being the memorial of the new creation (On Sabbath and Circumcision 3 [A.D. 345]).

Cyril of Jerusalem

Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans or into Judaism, for Jesus Christ has ransomed you. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths and from calling indifferent meats common or unclean (Catechetical Lectures 4:37 [A.D. 350]).

Council of Laodicea

Christians should not Judaize and should not be idle on the Sabbath, but should work on that day; they should, however, particularly reverence the Lord's Day and, if possible, not work on it, because they were Christians (canon 29 [A.D. 360]).

John Chrysostom

When he said, "You shall not kill" . . . he did not add "because murder is a wicked thing." The reason was that conscience had taught this beforehand, and he speaks thus, as to those who know and understand the point. Wherefore when he speaks to us of another commandment, not known to us by the dictate of conscience, he not only prohibits, but adds the reason. When, for instance, he gave commandment concerning the Sabbath — "On the seventh day you shall do no work"— he subjoined also the reason for this cessation. What was this? "Because on the seventh day God rested from all his works which he had begun to make" [Ex. 20:10]. And again: "Because you were a servant in the land of Egypt" [Deut. 21:18]. For what purpose then, I ask, did he add a reason respecting the Sabbath, but did no such thing in regard to murder? Because this commandment was not one of the leading ones. It was not one of those which were accurately defined of our conscience, but a kind of partial and temporary one, and for this reason it was abolished afterward. But those which are necessary and uphold our life are the following: '"You shall not kill... You shall not commit adultery... You shall not steal." On this account he adds no reason in this case, nor enters into any instruction on the matter, but is content with the bare prohibition (Homilies on the Statues 12:9 [A.D. 387]).

You have put on Christ, you have become a member of the Lord and been enrolled in the heavenly city, and you still grovel in the Law [of Moses]? How is it possible for you to obtain the kingdom? Listen to Paul's words, that the observance of the Law overthrows the gospel, and learn, if you will, how this comes to pass, and tremble, and shun this pitfall. Why do you keep the Sabbath and fast with the Jews? (Homilies on Galatians 2:17 [A.D. 395]).

Apostolic Constitutions

And on the day of our Lord's resurrection, which is the Lord's Day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent him to us, and condescended to let him suffer, and raised him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day . . . in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, the gift of the holy food (Apostolic Constitutions 2:7:60 [A.D. 400]).

 

[LarryP2]

Seventh Day Adventists falsely smear Christianity as follows:

"Sunday observance is not founded on the will of God, but rather, it has its root in Babylonian sun worship. Those who worship the sun call Sunday, "The Venerable Day of the Sun". What you have done is you have looked at how the pagans worship their god and said, "I will do the same" Now you celebrate Easter (pagan)."

This is a false, despicable and ugly slander against Christianity. There is NO basis in history for this crazy assertion. SDA's false Prophet, Ellen White announced these things many times in her plagiarized writings, but SDA's own "Sabbath Expert" Samuele Bachiochi has well-proven that all of those assertions are absolutely false. Even he states that Christians were universally keeping Sunday no later than AD 135 and that it had nothing to do with "Sun Worship."

To demonstrate how slanderous and reprehensible those statements are, the founders of Adventism also rejected the central doctrine of Christianity as "Pagan:" The Trinity. They taught unvarnished Arianism for the first 100 years of the cult. Arianism was rejected at the First Council of Nicaea as an anti-Christian heresy, since it denies the Divinity of Christ - the Central doctrine of Christianity.

Similarly, their vicious, ugly and false smear about Easter is particularly odious and reprehensible. Eastern Orthodoxy, which split from the Catholic Church very early on insists it observed Sunday and Easter worship no later than the first year after the Resurrection. Eastern Orthodoxy doesn't even call it "Easter," they call it Pascha. SDAs denigrate celebrating Easter because they have radically degraded the full atonement that was achieved on the cross, and because of their heretical non-Christian Arian and Ebionite cult doctrines. For their first 100 years, they taught that Jesus was not God, and their so-called "Prophet" never even tried to correct this non-Christian doctrine. The fundamental doctrine of Christianity is that Jesus is part of the Trinitarian Godhood. Because Adventists teach the non-God Jesus made at best a partial atonement on the Cross, SDAs insist that Sabbath keeping is necessary to finish Christ's work. Christ did not redeem us, he only set a good example for us by perfectly following the Mosaic Law. SDAs who do not keep the Sabbath Day thus are not saved and will receive the Mark of the Beast someday. http://www.lifeassuranceministries.o...sabigdeal.html

All of this is completely incompatible with Christianity and squarely against the unequivocal denunciation found in Galatians against such horrifying and non-Christian behavior . This is why SDAs start so many threads and continuously argue that the Sabbath must be kept: It is FAR more important than what happened on the Cross to them!! To SDAs, your very Salvation depends on it. You cannot depend on what was done on the Cross or in the Resurrection.

What a sick, vile cult that is that smears and denigrates Christianity's most Holy of all Holy Days!