the myth of flat earth debunked again

[BeyondET]

This doesn't address anything I have posted in response to your claims. Only a tiny fraction of light from the sun reaches the earth, and what does is practically parallel, within half a degree.

Either provide some evidence backing up your earlier claims or admit you were wrong and move on.

You mean strikes the earth, all the light from the sun reaches earth along that tiny fraction in the particular path. Light doesn't bend so the angel seen observed through the clouds is caused by the curvature of earth. Because the clouds are high above light passing through is mapping the earth basically.

 

[Phil G]

You mean strikes the earth, all the light from the sun reaches earth along that tiny fraction in the particular path. Light doesn't bend so the angel seen observed through the clouds is caused by the curvature of earth. Because the clouds are high above light passing through is mapping the earth basically.

Sorry but many websites such as these disagree with your explanation:

"The rays appear to diverge because of perspective effects, like the parallel furrows of freshly ploughed fields or a road wide at your feet yet apparently narrowing with distance."

Crepuscular Rays

This article explores the mesmerizing phenomenon of crepuscular rays, also known as sun rays, which are beams of light that stream through gaps in clouds, creating a breathtaking display of nature's beauty. It delves into the science behind crepuscular rays, factors influencing their appearance...

atoptics.co.uk

"Crepuscular rays may appear to fan across the sky, but the rays are really parallel to each other. The sunbeams appear to diverge, much as a road that looks narrow in the distance appears wide beneath your feet."

| EarthSky

Crepuscular rays form when the sun is below the horizon but light beams streak into the darkening sky. Anticrepuscular rays are on the horizon opposite the sun.

earthsky.org

"The shadows are not quite parallel because, although the sun is ~93 million miles away, it is so large that its globe appears 0.5º across. Rays consequently spread up to 0.25º each side of the mean direction. This causes the 'umbral' or absolutely unlit parts of cloud shadows to narrow slightly with increasing distance from the cloud."

Ray formation

This article explores the phenomenon of ray formation in the sky, revealing that rays are actually long parallel columns of light and darkness streaming downwards towards the observer. It discusses how shadows and clouds create contrasting columns of shaded and sunlit air, and highlights the...

atoptics.co.uk

"What you describe is an optical illusion. When the sun shines through gaps in the cloud you will see several parallel rays coming towards you. Because they are coming towards you, they will appear to diverge, just like railway track appear to diverge as they come towards you. But with railway tracks we can see that they are coming towards us, because they are on the the ground. With the parallel rays of sunlight, there are no clues, and we see them as shining down, and so being non-parallel. Its an optical illusion."

How do the sun's light rays come to the world?

How do they come to the world? One of my friends who is a flat earther told me about how the rays seem to gather at one point, which sort of proves that the sun is close to us and not very big, in ...

astronomy.stackexchange.com

 

[prodromos]

You mean strikes the earth, all the light from the sun reaches earth along that tiny fraction in the particular path. Light doesn't bend so the angel seen observed through the clouds is caused by the curvature of earth. Because the clouds are high above light passing through is mapping the earth basically.

So instead of providing evidence you give your opinion. Wonderful.
No links to a reputable site, no book references, just you basically repeating what has already been challenged.

 

[sjastro]

What a load of complete utter drivel; are you now making things up to make a point or so deluded to as to be blinded by confirmation bias, relying on sources which promote misinformation and disinformation?

Here is an unpleasant fact for you since the earth is a spherical object which rotates about an axis it conforms to the physics of a spinning top where the rotation axis undergoes precession.
This causes the axis to shift, five thousand years ago the pole star was Thuban - Wikipedia not Polaris, the Egyptians knew this by aligning one of the ventilation shafts to the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid to Thuban.

Then there is the discovery of the Solar apex - Wikipedia by William Herschel in the 18th century where the solar system is moving relative to the Milky Way.
The solar apex is located at RA 18h 03m 50.2s, dec +30° 00′ 16.8".
These days the science of Astrometry - Wikipedia is so precise stellar motion not attributed to the earth's rotation can be detected in very short periods of time.

Here is a history and future positions of the northern pole star.

​

Bayer​	Traditional​	V​	Constellation​	Alignment​	notes​
Alpha Lyrae	Vega	0.026	Lyra	within 5°	used to be the North Star at about 12,000 BC; and will become the North Star at 14,500 AD
Iota Herculis		3.75	Hercules	within 4°	used to be the North Star at about 9,000 BC; and will become the North Star at 15,000 AD
Tau Herculis		3.89	Hercules	within 1°	was the pole star in 7,400 BC, will be again around 18,400 AD
Iota Draconis	Edasich	3.29	Draco	within 5°	used to be the North Star at about 4,420 BC
Alpha Draconis	Thuban	3.65	Draco	within 0.1°	used to be the North Star at about 3,000 BC
Kappa Draconis		3.82	Draco	within 6°	a near-north star, shares timing with Kochab
Beta Ursae Minoris	Kochab	2.08	Ursa Minor	within 7°	used to be the North Star at about 1,100 BC
Alpha Ursae Minoris	Polaris	1.98	Ursa Minor	within 0.5°	the current North Star
Gamma Cephei	Errai	3.21	Cepheus	within 3°	will become the North Star at about 3,100 AD
Iota Cephei		3.51	Cepheus	within 5°	shares timing with Beta Cephei
Beta Cephei	Alfirk	3.51	Cepheus	within 5°	will become the North Star at about 5,900 AD
Alpha Cephei	Alderamin	2.51	Cepheus	within 3°	will become the North Star at about 7,500 AD
Alpha Cygni	Deneb	1.25	Cygnus	within 7°	will become the North Star at about 9,800 AD
Delta Cygni	Fawaris	2.87	Cygnus	within 3°	will become the North Star at about 11,250 AD

 

[BeyondET]

Sorry but many websites such as these disagree with your explanation:

"The rays appear to diverge because of perspective effects, like the parallel furrows of freshly ploughed fields or a road wide at your feet yet apparently narrowing with distance."

Crepuscular Rays

This article explores the mesmerizing phenomenon of crepuscular rays, also known as sun rays, which are beams of light that stream through gaps in clouds, creating a breathtaking display of nature's beauty. It delves into the science behind crepuscular rays, factors influencing their appearance...

atoptics.co.uk

"Crepuscular rays may appear to fan across the sky, but the rays are really parallel to each other. The sunbeams appear to diverge, much as a road that looks narrow in the distance appears wide beneath your feet."

| EarthSky

Crepuscular rays form when the sun is below the horizon but light beams streak into the darkening sky. Anticrepuscular rays are on the horizon opposite the sun.

earthsky.org

"The shadows are not quite parallel because, although the sun is ~93 million miles away, it is so large that its globe appears 0.5º across. Rays consequently spread up to 0.25º each side of the mean direction. This causes the 'umbral' or absolutely unlit parts of cloud shadows to narrow slightly with increasing distance from the cloud."

Ray formation

This article explores the phenomenon of ray formation in the sky, revealing that rays are actually long parallel columns of light and darkness streaming downwards towards the observer. It discusses how shadows and clouds create contrasting columns of shaded and sunlit air, and highlights the...

atoptics.co.uk

"What you describe is an optical illusion. When the sun shines through gaps in the cloud you will see several parallel rays coming towards you. Because they are coming towards you, they will appear to diverge, just like railway track appear to diverge as they come towards you. But with railway tracks we can see that they are coming towards us, because they are on the the ground. With the parallel rays of sunlight, there are no clues, and we see them as shining down, and so being non-parallel. Its an optical illusion."

How do the sun's light rays come to the world?

How do they come to the world? One of my friends who is a flat earther told me about how the rays seem to gather at one point, which sort of proves that the sun is close to us and not very big, in ...

astronomy.stackexchange.com

Optical illusion, yes and no. The sun rays through the clouds appear as exaggerated angels the illusion. The photo illustrates how sun light strikes the sphere earth.

 

[prodromos]

Optical illusion, yes and no. The sun rays through the clouds appear as exaggerated angels the illusion. The photo illustrates how sun light strikes the sphere earth.

This doesn't demonstrate what you claim to be happening.

The distance between Syene and Alexandria is approximately 500 miles. The distance between the gaps in the clouds forming crepuscular rays is likely around a mile or less but orders of magnitude further away. The illusion is caused because our brains have no reference to judge the distance to the gaps in the clouds, which are both high in altitude and very far distant. Our brains think the gaps are as distant as the horizon when they are in fact much further away.

 

[Phil G]

Optical illusion, yes and no. The sun rays through the clouds appear as exaggerated angels the illusion. The photo illustrates how sun light strikes the sphere earth.
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Your diagrams have no impact on the fact that any parallel lines (or almost parallel lines) will be seen to diverge towards the observer. It's a simple fact and is by far the most observable when looking at the sun's rays.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Polaris does not move it is in the middle.
The 'north pole' is in the middle of the dome around us. Sigma is a star at one far end of the domes wall.

Why doesn't it move?

 

[NxNW]

The sky, which is hard as a molten looking glass. Job 37:18

Tell that to the Voyager probes.

 

[AlexB23]

Tell that to the Voyager probes.

Whew, the two Voyager probes (NASA link) are over 20 billion km (12.5 billion miles) from Earth. If that distance isn't enough to prove that the universe is made of empty space, then I do not know what can get through a flat-Earther's Mr. glass sky cherry pick a random verse's skull.

Probe telemetry

Probe Schematics

 

[NxNW]

I don't see how you can claim to believe the Bible concerning Jesus,
perhaps His death and res&urrection is just figurative too?

Now that you mention it . . .

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

How do flat-Earthers account for the behavior of magnetic compass needles?

 

[Ophiolite]

How do flat-Earthers account for the behavior of magnetic compass needles?

Is that a problem? They point to a location in Canada that moves around a bit. Presumably they acknowledge a magnetic field, or is making any presumptions as to their beliefs an act of ill-considered madness?

 

[contratodo]

f that distance isn't enough to prove that the universe is made of empty space

That website you gave [ Voyager - Mission Status ] does not even have good programming,
it is just hooked into your computer clock not any actual time keeping.
You can see so for yourself by changing the time on your computer and then refreshing that page, it will give different results,
here are images of me doing it. It is not sincerely tracking anything, it is a webpage with cartoon animations on it, syncing with your computers clock not a satellite.

I could do a better job myself, having it time sync to a time coming from a central server, they did not even do that,
the page is designed to fool the dumbed down masses.

Here is the proof, like I said, please try it yourself, the page is simply synced to your own computers clock.

Nasa in Hebrew means "to deceive" and that is what they do.

Time shown at real 7:02 (this post was posted around 7:11 to 7:15, right now it is 7:11 on my clock)

I changed my clock to 7:00 and refreshed the page, and this is what it showed, please notice that the miles changed too!

Next I changed back to real time which was 7:05, I took an image of doing so

Changed back to real time which was 7:05 (it is 7:13 now)

I put 7:05 and it went to 7:06 automatically with time, it is now 7:14
The page is complete b.s. Nasa is an agency of deception.

 

[AlexB23]

That website you gave does not even have good programming, it is just hooked into your computer clock not any actual time keeping.
You can see so for yourself by changing the time on your computer and then refreshing that page, it will give different results,
here are images of me doing it. It is not sincerely tracking anything, it is a webpage with cartoon animations on it, syncing with your computers clock not a satellite.

I could do a better job myself, having it time sync to a time coming from a central server, they did not even do that,
the page is designed to fool the dumbed down masses.

Here is the proof, like I said, please try it yourself, the page is simply synced to your own computers clock.

Nasa in Hebrew means "to deceive" and that is what they do.

Time shown at real 7:02 (this post was posted around 7:11 to 7:15, right now it is 7:11 on my clock)

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I changed my clock to 7:00 and refreshed the page, and this is what it showed, please notice that the miles changed too!

View attachment 346394

Next I changed back to real time which was 7:05, I took an image of doing so
View attachment 346395

Changed back to real time which was 7:05 (it is 7:13 now)

View attachment 346396

I put 7:05 and it went to 7:06 automatically with time, it is now 7:14
The page is complete b.s. Nasa is an agency of deception.

I'm not gonna talk to science deniers, so I am leaving this thread.

 

[contratodo]

I'm not gonna talk to science deniers, so I am leaving this thread.

I do not deny true science, Ariy's experiment failed to prove that the earth is moving, and shows that the earth is stationary.
The website given clearly is a fraud, proven by how it works. You have no proof that anything is billions of miles away.

 

[Estrid]

I do not deny true science, Ariy's experiment failed to prove that the earth is moving, and shows that the earth is stationary.
The website given clearly is a fraud, proven by how it works. You have no proof that anything is billions of miles away.

True science as per your definition.

Those who know real (actual) science
are aware that science does not deal in proof.

"Learn to crawl, before you try to run!"
( with the big boys n girls)

 

[Hans Blaster]

Nasa in Hebrew means "to deceive" and that is what they do.

NASA is not a hebrew word. It is an initialism of four *English* words: National. Aeronautic. and Space. Administration. It is spelled with all capital letters NASA, though commonly spoken as if a word rather than reading out the initials: N. A. S. A.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

@contratodo Why did you claim that the limit of human sight is three miles, which lines up perfectly with the distance of a horizon as seen by a ground level observer on a globe earth?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Nasa in Hebrew means "to deceive" and that is what they do.

NASA is not a hebrew word. It is an initialism of four *English* words: National. Aeronautic. and Space. Administration. It is spelled with all capital letters NASA, though commonly spoken as if a word rather than reading out the initials: N. A. S. A.

Indeed. The word cited from Strong's concordance cannot even be remotely pronounced as NASA.

(N.b., The guy Dan McClellan is responding to uses a "bad" word.)