PUC church..........What is it?

[eldermike]

No more debating.........

 

[KennySe]

I believe their are saved Catholics just as there are saved people from all walks of life, however, I do believe that the Catholic religion has so much extra Biblical stuff that I would never encourage anyone to join it.

Would it be within the rules if I told you politely that Catholic is a Christian Faith, not a religion?

 

[bleechers]

19 pages...

 

[thereselittleflower]

You know, I've spent countless hours doing just that... then I was convicted by Paul's admonitions to avoid such things (my pride is what keeps me going). I have had to discern the difference between "seekers" and "disputers" (my definitions, I know, but useful to explain here).

Now, I try to keep to "the simplicity which is in Christ" (2 Cor 11) instead of arguing over the word "know" and what "know" really means... etc.

My point, in this Baptist room, is to note that Catholic (Orthodox, et al) soteriology is not compatible with Evangelical soteriology. That was my goal. In that, I find myself having to "debate" several posts at the same time (and I'm a lousy typist).

No one is engaging you on what Baptist soteriology is . .no one has commented on it or attacked it . .

You are finding yourself in the hot seat because you have continued to attack the Catholic faith, misrepresent, and promote your misrepresentations as true . .

This has nothing to do with Baptist doctrine, and everything to do with your promoting error and division among Christians by promoting falsehoods and lies about our faith..

There is no simplicity when people use word differently and then mis apply them . . this results in confusion, not simplicity.

Can we at least agree that RC soteriology is not compatible with salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ's atonement alone according to the scriptures alone?

Nope .. for we believe in salvation by Grace alone ..

The fact that you don't understand this tells me a lot about what you understand and do not understand about the Catholic faith you say you taught others . . I have to really wonder about what you taught, and I am concerned for those who were put in your spiritual care, for it seems obvious to me that you misled them if the things you have posted here are what you believe the Catholic faith is all about. Teachers are held to a higher level of accountability Paul tell us.

In fact, that Trent condemns such doctrines?

Not at all.

If I could get the RCs (et al) in the forum to agree to that, then the PUC has served its purpose.

Your PUC serves only to create division, misunderstanding and hostility . .nothing more . . if that is the purpose you intend for it to serve, then God have mercy.

My pride would move me to defend every name in the geneology of Noah, but to what end? No one is interested in the finished work of Christ here. No one seeks fogiveness by Christ alone. Any wrangling I do with 2, 3, 4, or 5 of you is "vain babbling" and fruitless.

I will pray for you that God helps you with the issue of your pride.

I know all your arguments (intimately), I made them for years and I now reject them for the knowledge of salvation. You know our arguments and you reject them for your church's dogma. What do we hope to accomplish anymore?

It sems then that you did not understand the arguments you made .. or you did not make the same arguments I make.

What do we accomplish? I challange you to find in the OBOB forum a thread like this one about the false teachings of Baptists . .

What you are accomplishing is division based on falsehood, not truth . .


Peace in Him!

 

[thereselittleflower]

"official teaching of the Baptist Church..."

ROTFL!

I know Liz, I know . . but I couldn't resist . . .


Peace in Him!

 

[Oblio]

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[bleechers]

Would it be within the rules if I told you politely that Catholic is a Christian Faith, not a religion?

I know you didn't ask me this, so I apologize... but there's a little matter of the anathemas in the decrees of the Council of Trent in Vatican II. I won't debate this, actually I hope we can all agree, that the soteriology of Rome and the soteriology of Evangelical Chrsitianity (faith alone, etc.) are incompatible.

No debate. Let's just all agree that the faiths are opposed on that level.

 

[eldermike]

Questions to Baptists are fine. The answers are the answers, If you intend to use a question to make a point, that's baiting, a clear rule violation. If you disagree with the answer then, you disagree, but to post it is debating, a clear rule violation.

So, this is it folks........I am not closing this thread. I tried.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Nestorians, eh? Nice try.

I have clearly stated (as the Council of Ephesus stated for what it's worth) that Christ consisted of only one person with two natures, one human and one divine. This is the same charge always leveled by Rome.

Liz? Where are you?

Then please expalin to me what sets your profession of the human and divine natures of Christ apart from that of Nestorius?


Peace in Him!

 

[Oblio]

No more debating.........

Sorry Mike, I posted from the previous page. I'll delete my last post.

 

[eldermike]

Bleechers, stop the debate. Take it to OBOB if it deals with the Catholic faith.

 

[eldermike]

Catholics, stop the debating

 

[KennySe]

Jesus had no body as eternal God and Son. A body was prepared for Him. Mary gave birth to that Body, but the deity was, is, and forever shall be separate from his humanity. He is fully God and fully man.

A bonafide question for you, bleechers.

bleechers only, folks.

What is the difference between what you have posted, which i have quoted above and underlined a portion; and Nestorianism?

 

[KristiXP]

Sorry Kenny but bleechers will not be answering your question in this thread. This thread is closed. For those of you who were debating where it was not your place, expect a PM. For those of you who have broken any other rule, expect a PM.

I was hoping this forum was going to be different than P/R/E, was I expecting too much? I suggest all members Baptist, Catholic, whatever, whomever takes a good look at what they have written before they submit it. I have said this over and over again yet no one listens. Take my advice and these forums wouldn't have these problems and you would have one lesss warning against you.

I can't stress enough how important it is to follow the rules. If you see a post that offends you or that you know is breaking the rules, be the bigger person, don't reply to it, but let us moderators know and report it.

I know it's hard to sit back and watch your faith be bashed, your doctrins incorrectly spoken about but please, if you're not allowed to debate in a forum, don't do it! I know it's hard not to correct something, but how about sending the specific member a PM? Let them know that what they are 'teaching' is incorrect and let them know how things are really done.

I hope this is read by all of you.

-Kristi