Name a single religion that treats Mary with more disrespect than Christianity?

[HisBelovedMelody]

Well, since you have such a bad attitude towards me, but you seem willing to listen to others without being so vicious, I will let them converse with you. Obviously you hate my guts for other reasons entirely, and my presence here is only hindering the possibility of your calming down and having a rational dialog.

God bless and take care.

YOU are so full of it. I don't hate you..HOW can I? I don't know you, except from your posts...and STILL you refuse to answer my questions?!? MAYBE I will stop seeking 'truth'!! HM....just a thought.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

EO means Eastern Orthodox.

Rdr Moses

Thank you!

 

[The Prokeimenon!]

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NICE demeaning my mother now are you??? HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!! MODS!!!! PLEASE..this has gone on far enough> I AM SICK of being insulted by this person.

See- when somebody insults your mother, they insult you, too. Get it?

Rdr Moses

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

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See- when somebody insults your mother, they insult you, too. Get it?

Rdr Moses

first off..I wasn't insulting Mary at all! I was just saying...lets keep it simple. She is His mother. NOT a glorified object of worship. That is ALL I was saying. BUT saying my mother wasn't smart and everything else was just rude?!! HOW do you know I am not honestly trying to figure out the Catholic faith? AND MAYBE just MAYBE convert?? BY the actions here?? HEll will freeze over first. NO way. The catholics I know at home are SO much more christian than the ones I have found here on these forums.

 

[Llauralin]

And they may have even taught her mother wrong, but given that what JP is saying is so obviously contrary to RCC doctrine, that seems highly unlikely to me.

Unlikely, perhaps, but not impossible. I've heard several people I'd trust to know what they heard say that their priest taught them that it was wrong to read the Bible. Not just without direction, mind you, but at all, despite that being quite contrary to the official Catholic position. As far as I can tell it actually accomplished the oppisite of their design: instead of being protected from heretical interpretations, as I suppose was the priest's intent, these people had no grounding in Catholic interpretation, and left the CC almost as soon as they opened their Bibles.

 

[Llauralin]

first off..I wasn't insulting Mary at all! I was just saying...lets keep it simple. She is His mother. NOT a glorified object of worship. That is ALL I was saying. BUT saying my mother wasn't smart and everything else was just rude?!! HOW do you know I am not honestly trying to figure out the Catholic faith? AND MAYBE just MAYBE convert?? BY the actions here?? HEll will freeze over first. NO way. The catholics I know at home are SO much more christian than the ones I have found here on these forums.

Are you talking about Mike? 'Cause he's not Catholic...

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Unlikely, perhaps, but not impossible. I've heard several people I'd trust to know what they heard say that their priest taught them that it was wrong to read the Bible. Not just without direction, mind you, but at all, despite that being quite contrary to the official Catholic position. As far as I can tell it actually accomplished the oppisite of their design: instead of being protected from heretical interpretations, as I suppose was the priest's intent, these people had no grounding in Catholic interpretation, and left the CC almost as soon as they opened their Bibles.

ya know, you really do have a sweet spirit about you. I appreciate your input. Honestly I do.

 

[mike1reynolds]

Unlikely, perhaps, but not impossible.

I certainly don't deny the possibility, but the idea of an RCC priest teaching that anyone not in the RCC goes to hell is pretty far out there.

 

[Llauralin]

ya know, you really do have a sweet spirit about you. I appreciate your input. Honestly I do.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Are you talking about Mike? 'Cause he's not Catholic...

good defender of it then! But my point is still the same. I have seen alot of catholic people putting ME down cause I am not in that denomination, saying I am not saved cause I am not 'in' the church....and nonsense. The catholic church OR any OTHER denomination did NOT die on the cross for me to purchase MY salvation. I just get upset when MY faith is in question cause I don't dogedly hang on to every word that is spoken. I am HONESTLY seeking TRUE "Christian" love. UNfortunately, i am NOT finding it here at Christian Forums.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Unlikely, perhaps, but not impossible.

I certainly don't deny the possibility, but the idea of an RCC priest teaching that anyone not in the RCC goes to hell is pretty far out there.

first off, I didn't say they would go to hell. I said, that since I am NOT IN the "Catholic" faith...my salvation was called into question...now read the other post I just posted. #172

 

[The Prokeimenon!]

first off..I wasn't insulting Mary at all! I was just saying...lets keep it simple. She is His mother. NOT a glorified object of worship. That is ALL I was saying. BUT saying my mother wasn't smart and everything else was just rude?!! HOW do you know I am not honestly trying to figure out the Catholic faith? AND MAYBE just MAYBE convert?? BY the actions here?? HEll will freeze over first. NO way. The catholics I know at home are SO much more christian than the ones I have found here on these forums.

I understand- and I wasn't saying that you were insulting Mary. I was just making a point.

And yes- most Christians (of all stripes) are much nicer in person than they are on the internet

Rdr Moses

 

[mike1reynolds]

I've never seen a Catholic here say anything like that.
(*BLAM*) (*SMACK*)

OK, OK, I'm leaving...

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

I've never seen a Catholic here say anything like that.
(*BLAM*) (*SMACK*)

OK, OK, I'm leaving...

maybe NOT this specific thread..(bue I think I did..not too over sure... but in many other threads! Some of which YOU were in debating a certain "Rev".

 

[Llauralin]

Unlikely, perhaps, but not impossible.

I certainly don't deny the possibility, but the idea of an RCC priest teaching that anyone not in the RCC goes to hell is pretty far out there.

But she used to be Catholic, didn't she? I thought (I could be wrong, mind you), that for a long while it was taught widely, perhaps even officially, that if a person left the CC they were refusing God's grace, and would most likely go to hell. And then there was that whole invincible ignorance/ not knowing any better/ really believing they were doing right thing that made it oh so complicated and hard to understand.

 

[mike1reynolds]

good defender of it then!

I consider myself to be defending Christianity, not the RCC.

I just get upset when MY faith is in question cause I don't dogedly hang on to every word that is spoken.

I hven't seen anyone question your faith. I have seen you question other's faith, and I simply attempt to show how you were really attacking the mirror and that your statements unavoidably attacked your own faith.

 

[The Prokeimenon!]

BTW: today is the feast of the nativity of the Theotokos (EO, new calander)! May everyone have a blessed day!

Troparion, tone 4
Thy Nativity, O Theotokos, hath proclaimed joy to the whole world; for from thee hath dawned the sun of righteousness, Christ our God, annulling the curse and bestowing the blessing, abolishing death and granting us life everlasting.

 

[mike1reynolds]

But she used to be Catholic, didn't she? I thought (I could be wrong, mind you), that for a long while it was taught widely, perhaps even officially, that if a person left the CC they were refusing God's grace, and would most likely go to hell. And then there was that whole invincible ignorance/ not knowing any better/ really believing they were doing right thing that made it oh so complicated and hard to understand.

You could well be right. I certainly don't agree with everything the RCC says, and I'm really not interested in defending the RCC. I only defend APOSTOLIC TRADITION. This is a fundamental tenet of Methodism, even though they don't talk about it much, it permeates Methodist theology.

 

[Llauralin]

first off, I didn't say they would go to hell. I said, that since I am NOT IN the "Catholic" faith...my salvation was called into question...now read the other post I just posted. #172

Did you take into consideration that Catholics (and Orthodox, and some more traditional Protestants) do not consider themselves "saved" yet in any event? Catholics specifically believe that they must die in a state of grace, as per their definition, in order to be saved. So calling anyone's salvation into question, including one's own, would be perfectly in line with Catholic teaching.

 

[InnerPhyre]

I think we should all take a break from this thread. I know that if we were all here in person talking to one another, we would not be in this situation. The internet tends to keep us from taking people's feelings into account.