Luke 21:20-22 Are We Close, Jerusalem Encompassed By Armies?

[Truth7t7]

The reason to flee to the mountains is different in Luke 21:20-21 than in Matthew 24:15-16.

"False"

Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 are all the same teaching of future events that haven't been fulfilled, that established fact, elementary to biblical knowledge and teaching

Matthew 24:16KJV
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mark 13:14KJV
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luke 21:21KJV
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

 

[Douggg]

"False"

Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 are all the same teaching of future events that haven't been fulfilled, that established fact, elementary to biblical knowledge and teaching

Matthew 24:16KJV
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mark 13:14KJV
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luke 21:21KJV
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Matthew 24:15-21 and Mark 13:14 are end times. And the reason to flee is triggered by the abomination of desolation

Luke 21:21 the reason to flee is triggered by the armies surrounding Jerusalem. 70 AD. Which afterward, the Jews were taken captive into the nations. Which 180 degrees different than what follows Matthew 24:15-21 and Mark 13:14, the gathering of the Jews back to Israel from the nations.

Luke 21:24. 70 AD - Jews taken captive into the nations

Matthew 24:31 end times - Jews brought back to Israel
Mark 13:27 end times - Jews brought back to Israel.

Fulfilling Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Israel is surrounded by hostile nations presently, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Iran, will they soon March towards Jerusalem?

Luke 21:20-22KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

That's past. (I'm Amillenial: historicist, Idealist)

All this war is paid for by the US government to decieve and thereby manipulate the religious citizenry who follow this new interpretation of Scripture made popular in fan fiction, which is an incorrect understanding.

I did once talk to my husband about this and he mentioned that our God can do whatever He wants and if this falsehood occurs in RL, however contrived, that's just how it will be and maybe this is part of the story too.... It's just the falsehood portion.

We are being set up for something.

 

[Truth7t7]

Matthew 24:15-21 and Mark 13:14 are end times. And the reason to flee is triggered by the abomination of desolation

Luke 21:21 the reason to flee is triggered by the armies surrounding Jerusalem. 70 AD. Which afterward, the Jews were taken captive into the nations. Which 180 degrees different than what follows Matthew 24:15-21 and Mark 13:14, the gathering of the Jews back to Israel from the nations.

Luke 21:24. 70 AD - Jews taken captive into the nations

Matthew 24:31 end times - Jews brought back to Israel
Mark 13:27 end times - Jews brought back to Israel.

Fulfilling Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

I Disagree, All Chapters presented show the same "Future" time of fleeing Judaea to the mountains

 

[Truth7t7]

That's past. (I'm Amillenial: historicist, Idealist)

All this war is paid for by the US government to decieve and thereby manipulate the religious citizenry who follow this new interpretation of Scripture made popular in fan fiction, which is an incorrect understanding.

I did once talk to my husband about this and he mentioned that our God can do whatever He wants and if this falsehood occurs in RL, however contrived, that's just how it will be and maybe this is part of the story too.... It's just the falsehood portion.

We are being set up for something.

I disagree with the reformed preterist historiscist eschatology in 70AD fulfillment, they're future events unfulfilled

The ones who are being set up are those following reformed preterist eschatology

 

[Douggg]

I Disagree, All Chapters presented show the same "Future" time of fleeing Judaea to the mountains

may take a while to sink in for you.

Luke 21:24. 70 AD - Jews taken captive into the nations
Matthew 24:31 end times - Jews brought back to Israel
Mark 13:27 end times - Jews brought back to Israel.

 

[Truth7t7]

may take a while to sink in for you.

Luke 21:24. 70 AD - Jews taken captive into the nations
Matthew 24:31 end times - Jews brought back to Israel
Mark 13:27 end times - Jews brought back to Israel.

I Disagree, Daniel's AOD, the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ are "Future" events unfulfilled

 

[Douggg]

I Disagree, Daniel's AOD, the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ are "Future" events unfulfilled

I agree that the Daniel 12 AoD, the great tribulation, and Jesus's Second Coming are "Future" events not yet fulfilled.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I disagree with the reformed preterist historiscist eschatology in 70AD fulfillment, they're future events unfulfilled

The ones who are being set up are those following reformed preterist eschatology

I'm not preterist... Not at all .. HUGE difference.

 

[Diamond7]

Israel is surrounded by hostile nations presently, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Iran, will they soon March towards Jerusalem?

Israel says they will use nuclear weapons to defend themselves, The Bible talks about the battle of Armageddon. The Bible talks about a sea of glass. Glass requires sand and if you go to Armageddon it is sand and it would turn into a sea of glass if they used a nuclear weapon there.

• Symbolically, this could represent the purification or judgment associated with the final battle.
• In the Book of Isaiah, there is a passage that speaks of judgment and destruction. Isaiah 66:24 says:
  

  “And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”

• This vivid imagery portrays the aftermath of divine judgment. The “worm” and “unquenchable fire” symbolize the eternal consequences of rebellion against God.
• While symbolic, it also points to real consequences—the fate of those who reject God’s grace.

 

[Truth7t7]

Israel says they will use nuclear weapons to defend themselves, The Bible talks about the battle of Armageddon. The Bible talks about a sea of glass. Glass requires sand and if you go to Armageddon it is sand and it would turn into a sea of glass if they used a nuclear weapon there.

• Symbolically, this could represent the purification or judgment associated with the final battle.
• In the Book of Isaiah, there is a passage that speaks of judgment and destruction. Isaiah 66:24 says:
• This vivid imagery portrays the aftermath of divine judgment. The “worm” and “unquenchable fire” symbolize the eternal consequences of rebellion against God.
• While symbolic, it also points to real consequences—the fate of those who reject God’s grace.

The "sea of glass" and "worm dying not" are both in the "Eternal State" and not on this earth as you suggest

 

[Diamond7]

The "sea of glass" and "worm dying not" are both in the "Eternal State" and not on this earth as you suggest

Jesus quotes Isaiah 66:24, which states: “They will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.

”In Mark 9:48, Jesus uses a vivid metaphor to describe the agonies of hell. He says, “Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched”

This all points to Armageddon.

• According to the Book of Revelation in the New Testament, Armageddon (Greek: Harmagedṓn) is the prophesied location where armies gather for a climactic battle during the end times.
• The term appears only once in the Bible, specifically in Revelation 16:16.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus quotes Isaiah 66:24, which states: “They will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.

”In Mark 9:48, Jesus uses a vivid metaphor to describe the agonies of hell. He says, “Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched”

This all points to Armageddon.

• According to the Book of Revelation in the New Testament, Armageddon (Greek: Harmagedṓn) is the prophesied location where armies gather for a climactic battle during the end times.
• The term appears only once in the Bible, specifically in Revelation 16:16.

Once again, Isaiah 66:24 below takes place "After" the battle of Armageddon, in the New Heavens and Earth

Your problem is you "Assume" there will be a 1,000 year millennial kingdom on earth after Armageddon "False"

Fact: Jesus returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire at his return (The End)

Isaiah 66:22-24KJV
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement (The End)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Diamond7]

Once again, Isaiah 66:24 below takes place "After" the battle of Armageddon, in the New Heavens and Earth

Isaiah is talking about the kingdom age or the 1,000 year reign of Christ. The new heavens and the new earth comes after that.

 

[Truth7t7]

Isaiah is talking about the kingdom age or the 1,000 year reign of Christ. The new heavens and the new earth comes after that.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.