Israel must be told not to bomb hospitals and schools, and clinics

[John Helpher]

Remember that when you stand in judgement, for your sake

Sure, sure. Just remember the part about how much I nagged you to consider what Jesus said about it.

 

[Wings like Eagles]

It's glossed over with lots of flowery platitudes, but at the heart of it, some physical possession or some religious position is the root of it.

Yes a religious position for sure, Hamas was Israel and the Jews destroyed.

 

[Aaron112]

What is Hamas? Here's what to know​

The group, founded in 1987, has vowed to annihilate Israel.
Before this past weekend's attack, it was responsible for many suicide bombings and other deadly attacks on civilians and Israeli soldiers.

Neither one of them should be killing one another, especially since all they're really fighting over is land and religious tradition.

 

[John Helpher]

Hamas was Israel and the Jews destroyed.

Sure, and Israel wants them destroyed. They both want to destroy each other. But, what did Jesus say about it? Does he really have the answers? Is he really worth following? Or does "love your enemies" only apply when it's not too inconvenient?

 

[Wings like Eagles]

Sure, sure. Just remember the part about how much I nagged you to consider what Jesus said about it.

So back to that old standby again.

 

[Aaron112]

Sure, and Israel wants them destroyed. They both want to destroy each other.

This statement appears to be completely in error and unrighteous, contrary to Jesus' teaching which you have claimed to follow.
The aggressors are hamas, iran, and others financing hamas.

 

[John Helpher]

So back to that old standby again.

Yeah, the teachings of Jesus, that old standby...

Yet if I say this is an anti-christian position, I'll be punished for it...

 

[RocksInMyHead]

The US freed $6 billion in Iranian money. Did it help fund Hamas ...?​

"Iran provides up to $100 million annually in combined support to Palestinian terrorist groups, mainly Hamas,

"firstpost.com › explainers › israel-palestine-war-who-funds-hamas-how-does-it-get-weapons-13238912.html

"Israel-Palestine war: Who funds Hamas, how does the terror ... - Firstpost​

"4 days agoAccording to a US government report from 2020, Iran provides up to $100 million annually in combined support to Palestinian terrorist groups, mainly Hamas,
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politifact.com › article › 2023 › oct › 09 › the-us-freed-6-billion-in-iranian-money-did-it

The US freed $6 billion in Iranian money. Did it help fund Hamas ...​

7 days agoIn August, the U.S. announced an agreement with Iran to secure freedom for five U.S. citizens who'd been detained in the country in exchange for allowing Iran to access $6 billion of its own

As has been pointed out when this was brought up before, the money was only allowed to be used to purchase very specific things (i.e. humanitarian aid), it was never accessed, and since Hamas invaded Israel, the US and Qatar have agreed to cut off access to the funds.

Joe Biden Faces Fury Over Iran Deal as Israel Attacked

Social-media users made a direct connection between the U.S. deal with Iran, which funds and supports Hamas, and calls for the destruction of Israel. "If you are horrified by what is happening in #Israel right now, you can thank @JoeBiden. Iran is spending the $6 BILLION Joe Biden just gave...

www.christianforums.com

US and Qatar Will Hold Off Giving Iran $6 Billion in Funds

The US reached an informal understanding with Qatar to hold off distributing $6 billion in oil revenue that Iran was allowed to access under a prisoner exchange, as the Biden administration probes Tehran’s potential involvement in last week’s Hamas attack against Israel.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Aaron112]

that old standby...

THe old standby was your stand, your opinion, not Jesus' teachings, and not in line with Christians who have replied to you ;

 

[Aaron112]

As has been pointed out when this was brought up before, the money was only allowed to be used to purchase very specific things (i.e. humanitarian aid), it was never accessed, and since Hamas invaded Israel, the US and Qatar have agreed to cut off access to the funds.

Thank you - I don't doubt that at all ... I was just looking quickly are the perversity of hamas and what was keeping them going ...
and partly, the money that may be available to Palestinians (whether good or bad I don't know - someone said they agree with hamas ? ) ... for water, food and such ...

 

[Landon Caeli]

That means cutting off electricity harms only the civilians, not Hamas.

It was only off for a few days. Nobody has died from it. However thousands of innocent Israeli civilians are dead!

In the meantime, the change in resources was needed to get people out of their comfort zones, and realize the seriousness of the incoming invasion where the evil terrorists, Hamas, will be rooted out permanently. And rightfully so! As they are criminals and murderers.

 

[Valletta]

Right, you're making the equivalence that there is no distinction between Hamas and Palestinians; they are all the same. It's essentially what a moderator here said over on another thread when he said even Palestinians babies are terrorist (thus justifying the bombing of them).

One way or another, what most of you are doing here is demonizing the Palestinians as justification for what will essentially be genocide and mass removal of population.

No, Israel is trying to stop the genocide. As I said before, the order by Israel to go to the south will very much separate Hamas and Hamas supporters from the rest of the Palestinians. Obviously some Hamas and supporters can be anticipated to blend in, but it is a good start.

 

[hislegacy]

Right, but you acknowledge that they are intentionally bombing civilians, even if it's just to get the bad along with the innocent?

No. I am saying Hamas attacked Israel with 5,000 rockets in less than 24 hours.

Hamas killed almost 1,000 innocent civilians

Hamas paraglided into a music festival murdering 260 innocent civilians and taking close to 200 hostages

Hamas killed and mutilated infants and children.

Hamas set armed factions into communities murdering unarmed families at will

Hamas states publicly their goal is to wipe the jews off the face of the earth

Hamas places rocket bases in schools, hospitals and clinics then decry the deaths when the bases are destroyed

Hamas uses their woman and children as human shields causing their death

Anyone who doesn’t recognize this reality is missing the cause of the carnage. Hamas.

 

[Aaron112]

No, Israel is trying to stop the genocide. As I said before, the order by Israel to go to the south will very much separate Hamas and Hamas supporters from the rest of the Palestinians.

Yes, you are correct. Why does John insist on supporting and protecting KNOWN and ADMITTED terrorists ? ? ? IF the terrorists can be separated/ isolated, they and the damage they do can be more easily stopped, and likewise the 'innocent' Palestinians , if any, will be less likely to be harmed, right ?

 

[Lost Witness]

Would just like to point out that during these times the love of many will grow cold.
Let's speak life over each other and pray for all the parties involved.
Not one life means any less to the LORD.

 

[Valletta]

Sure, sure. Just remember the part about how much I nagged you to consider what Jesus said about it.

Jesus was a great believer in all of Holy Scripture.
Deuteronomy 17-19 “Remember what Am′alek did to you on the way as you came out of Egypt, how he attacked you on the way, when you were faint and weary, and cut off at your rear all who lagged behind you; and he did not fear God. Therefore when the Lord your God has given you rest from all your enemies round about, in the land which the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance to possess, you shall blot out the remembrance of Am′alek from under heaven; you shall not forget. RSVCE

 

[Landon Caeli]

Jesus was a great believer in all of Holy Scripture.
Deuteronomy 17-19 “Remember what Am′alek did to you on the way as you came out of Egypt, how he attacked you on the way, when you were faint and weary, and cut off at your rear all who lagged behind you; and he did not fear God. Therefore when the Lord your God has given you rest from all your enemies round about, in the land which the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance to possess, you shall blot out the remembrance of Am′alek from under heaven; you shall not forget. RSVCE

Blessed be the word of God!

 

[John Helpher]

Jesus was a great believer in all of Holy Scripture.

So, Jesus said love your enemies, but your gonna appeal to the old testament to overrule him?

 

[Valletta]

Annnnnnnnd, as a result, they are justified in bombing schools and hospitals. That's where the logic leads. It's what you've hinted at. Your sense of personal goodness won't allow to come out and directly say, "Yeah, I think Israel is justified in killing them all" but you're dancing around it. You're flirting with the satisfaction of seeing the enemy crushed in response to the strong feelings of outrage you have toward what the enemy did.

Hamas deliberately targeted schools and were not justified. Israel goes out of their way to avoid innocent civilian casualties.

 

[Aaron112]

Would just like to point out that during these times the love of many will grow cold.
Let's speak life over each other and pray for all the parties involved.
Not one life means any less to the LORD.

Good and thank you. IF this worked worldwide, the wars could have been stopped - wwI wwII korea, vietnam, iran, etc etc etc .... but it is not time yet - "Turn, turn, turn.... a time for everything .... a time for war, a time for peace,
NOT a time to allow terrorists KNOWN and ADMITTED to thrive in their killing ....