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Read back through the thread.Show me it then.
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Read back through the thread.Show me it then.
How do I know for sure that you're telling the truth?How do you know for sure that they are telling the truth ?
How do I know for sure that you're telling the truth?
Because you lie, slander and make things up so easily and so frequently, such claims like this are not acceptable.As God's truth is my truth, as it is written in Genesis 1.
You are too lazy or unwilling to learn and to verify what is objectively true.
No, it is not.So what more do I need to learn that is true ? God's word is good enough for me.
Genesis 1 says nothing about a flat earth.As God's truth is my truth, as it is written in Genesis 1.
No, we would not believe it. As we do not believe in literal firmament or in literal days. Its a mythological drama from the bronze-age Mesopotamia.Genesis 1 says nothing about a flat earth.
If it did, we'd all believe it.
Sorry, what I meant was, if God had said "I am creating this earth as a flat earth", if these were God's own words, emphatic and specific. We would accept God's own words.No, we would not believe it.
As we do not believe in literal firmament or in literal days. Its a mythological drama from the bronze-age Mesopotamia.
Clearly.I don't believe this.
I don't believe this.
Clearly.
But I don't believe that Antarctica has thick ice walls which prevent us from going into other worlds. Nor that we need to be sure about the shape of the earth in case of alien invasion. And certainly not that being vaccinated keeps the devil happy.
I don't think there are many of us who do believe those things.
Prove it.Why not ? It's true.........
Job is not Torah.in terms of what the Sages believed in, there are actually conflicting sources in Jewish literature. The earliest source on the matter is probably the verse in Job (26:7), which writes that God “suspends the earth upon nothingness.” Thus, the Torah clearly asserts that the world is not being “held up” by pillars – nor is it floating on water or in any of the other bizarre configurations ancient man envisioned. The world is suspended in space.
Job is not Torah.
Job 26:7 seems inconsistent with other biblical places, but the Old Testament as such did not differ from the common ancient cosmology:
The OT shared the general ancient opinion about the construction of the universe [collectively »heaven and earth« Gn 1:1] and combined primitive Egyptian and Babylonian ideas, but did not accept their mythology and cosmogony [the doctrine of the origin of the universe from divine elements].
The universe was three-part [heaven above, earth below, waters under the earth Ex 20.4 sr. Psalm 115:15-17].
The earth formed the center of the universe in the world sea [Ps 24:2], which was touched by the "ends of the earth" [Dt 33:17; 1S 2.10; Jer 16:19; Mi 5,4 et seq.], had the form of a circular mass [Kral. "enclosure" Is 40, 22], supported by rocky pillars [Ps 104,5] so that it does not move...
...Beneath it, if not beneath the sea on which the earth floats, was the underworld, Sheol. Above it was stretched the hemispherical sky [heavens Př 8,27n] like a tent canvas [Ps 104,2; Isaiah 40:22]. It rests on the highest mountains [2S 22.8 »foundations of the heavens«; Jb 26,11 "heavenly pillars"], has gates [Gn 28,17] and vents through which the rain falls [Gn 7,11; 2 Kings 7:2; Ps 78,23n], kept according to Jb 38,37 in sacks, while hail, snow, wind and manna are stored in special chambers [Jb 37,8; 38.22n; Ps 135,7n].
The stars, the sun and the moon were fixed on the inner side of the heavens [Gn 1,14-18; Eze 32.7n]. Clouds sail under the heavens [Ps 147:8], which the Lord uses as chariots [Ps 104:3], and the birds of the sky fly by [Gn 1:26, 28, 30; 2.19n; 6.7; 7,3 and j.].
On the outer side of the heavens, the heavenly waters were gathered [Gn 1,6n; Ps 148.4; Jer 10:13; 51.16].
(Biblický slovník, Adolf Novotný)
Job is not Torah.
No, the ancient Egyptian and Babylonians did not get it right. Their concept of the world is not usable for today's global, mobile society. It could work for them, because they lived only in their specific area.As is today & for ever.