Moon light - the word of God vs falsely so called science

Hans Blaster said:

Then you are in the wrong section of CF. You should take this to biblical interpolation part of the forum. This is the science section, you can't throw away science here.

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Oh poor little science not getting enough support. I do believe it is about a 99% science to about 1 to 2 % Bible

d taylor said:

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No The Bible is not wrong, venus is giving light just like the other stars. The sun for the day and the moon and stars for night.

To Him who made great lights,
For His mercy endures forever—
The sun to rule by day,
For His mercy endures forever;
The moon and stars to rule by night,
For His mercy endures forever.

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And now we are going around in circles, tell me why the new moon is not visible at night if it give its light to earth?

d taylor said:

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No, no mention of wanderer in Genesis 1 or Psalms or even when Paul writes in

There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

So since planets are never mention as being something God created (in The Bible) the verse from Jude is not speaking about a planet. But as the verse states a star.

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What a ridiculous post given your version of creationism is very much at odds to that practiced by Bible literalists.
The Bible doesn't mention the Great Pyramid of Cheops either, does that mean it never existed and therefore what is the tourist attraction beyond the outskirts of Cairo?
Geneses was written in Hebrew, star in Hebrew is 'kokab', planet is 'kokab lechet'; the author of Geneses should therefore have been aware of the distinction.
Furthermore in case you didn't know which wouldn't surprise me, the Pauline epistles were initially written in Koine Greek not Hebrew.

sjastro said:

Assuming Genesis was first written in Hebrew (although one individual thinks it was in Jacobean English), the Hebrew word for planet is כוכב לכת which means "walking star".
So I think we can give the Biblical writers a bit of slack.

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"Hebrew word"?

Jude 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

First, it's called "wandering star," not "walking star."

Second, Jude is in the New Testament, written in Koine Greek, not Hebrew.

d taylor said:

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At least mine is solely based on The Bible and is not influenced by science.

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Yours is based on reading into and out of scripture your own personal and unique beliefs.

Lost4words said:

Yours is based on reading into and out of scripture your own personal and unique beliefs.

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It occurs to me that the nonsense you are commenting on must be much more painful to observe for you, as a believer, than for myself as a de facto atheist. And it is quite painful for me, so - for what it's worth - I offer you my sympathy.

sjastro said:

And now we are going around in circles, tell me why the new moon is not visible at night if it give its light to earth?

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Verses in The Bible state the moon and stars are for giving light to the night. The verse never states the moon is going to give light ever single night. When the moon is not lit stars give light.

sjastro said:

What a ridiculous post given your version of creationism is very much at odds to that practiced by Bible literalists.
The Bible doesn't mention the Great Pyramid of Cheops either, does that mean it never existed and therefore what is the tourist attraction beyond the outskirts of Cairo?
Geneses was written in Hebrew, star in Hebrew is 'kokab', planet is 'kokab lechet'; the author of Geneses should therefore have been aware of the distinction.
Furthermore in case you didn't know which wouldn't surprise me, the Pauline epistles were initially written in Koine Greek not Hebrew.

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A recording of venus, the next video is a recording of venus out of focus and the last video is a recording of a star out of focus.

The recording of venus out of focus and the star out of focus both have the same circular pattern of light, Venus's light circular pattern is just behind the movement of light, but the circular pattern can be seen at the right top area just like other any other star when recorded out of focus.

sjastro said:

What a ridiculous post given your version of creationism is very much at odds to that practiced by Bible literalists.
The Bible doesn't mention the Great Pyramid of Cheops either, does that mean it never existed and therefore what is the tourist attraction beyond the outskirts of Cairo?
Geneses was written in Hebrew, star in Hebrew is 'kokab', planet is 'kokab lechet'; the author of Geneses should therefore have been aware of the distinction.
Furthermore in case you didn't know which wouldn't surprise me, the Pauline epistles were initially written in Koine Greek not Hebrew.

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Actually in the context wandering stars is found, only in Jude 1. Wandering stars could be referring to angels as the chapter does mention angels being kept in darkness. Also angles are calls stars in The Bible in a few places.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

Lost4words said:

Yours is based on reading into and out of scripture your own personal and unique beliefs.

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Based- on is how tabloids are written.

Estrid said:

Based- on is how tabloids are written.

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Woof!

d taylor said:

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Verses in The Bible state the moon and stars are for giving light to the night. The verse never states the moon is going to give light ever single night. When the moon is not lit stars give light.

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The terminology you have used in this thread is the moon gives its own light.
Did it ever occur to you that references to the moon in the Bible are based on observations which led to incorrect conclusions such as the moon giving off its own light.

Can you explain the phases of the moon if this is true?
When science offers an explanation which the Bible cannot you condemn the science as being based on the works of Satan.


What it reveals you are a complete utter hypocrite because by your own standards you are using the works of Satan everyday such as modern technology which comes from science and not the Bible.

d taylor said:

A recording of venus, the next video is a recording of venus out of focus and the last video is a recording of a star out of focus.

The recording of venus out of focus and the star out of focus both have the same circular pattern of light, Venus's light circular pattern is just behind the movement of light, but the circular pattern can be seen at the right top area just like other any other star when recorded out of focus.

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Good grief are you so deluded into thinking the out of focus images of Venus and the star proves Venus is a star when they don’t even remotely look the same?

The concentric patterns in the out of focus star is caused by optical system of the telescope and is a technique used to adjust the collimation of the optics.
You do not see this concentric patterns in the out of focus Venus because Venus is an extended object which is magnified by the telescope, unlike the star which is a theoretical point source.

The first image which shows an in focus Venus is proof the science is right and the Bible is wrong as a support for geocentricism.
Venus and Mercury which are inside Earth’s orbit exhibit phases like the moon as explained in the diagram.


A geocentric model using a stationary Earth at the centre will not produce phases.

d taylor said:

Actually in the context wandering stars is found, only in Jude 1. Wandering stars could be referring to angels as the chapter does mention angels being kept in darkness. Also angles are calls stars in The Bible in a few places.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

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Here are the facts, Jude being in the NT was originally written in Koine Greek and the Greek translation for planet means wanderer whereas in Hebrew the translation is walking star.

The ancients did not have the benefits of telescopes and to the naked eye planets looked like stars.
Unlike stars however the planets moved relative to the stars hence the terms wanderer and walking star.
All you have demonstrated is the human trait of reading your own biases into the Bible.

sjastro said:

The terminology you have used in this thread is the moon gives its own light.

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That's because the moon gives its own light.

sjastro said:

Did it ever occur to you that references to the moon in the Bible are based on observations which led to incorrect conclusions such as the moon giving off its own light.

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No.

sjastro said:

Can you explain the phases of the moon if this is true?

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Post 919 please.

sjastro said:

Good grief are you so deluded into thinking the out of focus images of Venus and the star proves Venus is a star when they don’t even remotely look the same?

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Venus is a star.

A "wandering star."

It took academia to come along and change it to "planet."

Now they ridicule anyone who uses the "outdated term."

Ditto for "fetus."

sjastro said:

Here are the facts, Jude being in the NT was originally written in Koine Greek and the Greek translation for planet means wanderer ...

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Then what's all the hullabaloo about?

sjastro said:

... whereas in Hebrew the translation is walking star.

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Show me.

AV1611VET said:

That's because the moon gives its own light.

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Please expand on how.

dlamberth said:

Please expand on how.

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1. Sun generates light.
2. Sun emits light.
3. Light strikes moon.
4. Moon takes legal possession of the light, while reflecting it to Earth.
5. Light is correctly labeled "moonlight".

AV1611VET said:

4. Moon takes legal possession of the light, while reflecting it to Earth.

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The moon does not take legal possession of the light. It cannot do so because it is an object. It cannot do anything legally or illegally. It just 'does'.