A Republican ideal, work until you die

keith99 · Apr 1, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
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Have you ever had to rely on the bus to get anywhere? With all the transfers, it takes forever.

My boss lived in Orange County, and we worked in the San Fernando Valley. He tried to use public transport. It was not possible to do and put in 8 hours at work. He had to leave by 3:00 in the afternoon to make the last connection before they shut down.

BCP1928 · Apr 1, 2024

rjs330 said:
Fine then you should talk to those states that are run by Democrats.

And those that live in the cities have greater access to public transportation than those in suburbs. And supposedly they are the ones who are more poor.

Yup, can take a bit to ride a bus. I've ridden trains in some of the biggest cities in Europe. They can take bit to get anywhere too. There isn't any amazing system in big cities than gets you to work in short order no matter where you live.

How long ago? I was in Prague, Vienna, Bratislava and Budapest (with some rural excursions) this last summer. Public transport was fast, clean, cheap and never more than a few steps away. It was amazing, far better than anything I've ridden in any major US city in the past few years.

rjs330 said:
What gets you to work quickly is living close to work.

Yes, that's a swell idea--especially if you've got a lower paying service job in a posh neighborhood

rjs330 said:
But it's STILL on the individual to go find a job and go to work. One isn't going to handed to you. There are still quite a few professions that need help, that do not require a college education that still pays fairly well.

Yeah? So what? What has that got to do with the topic of this discussion?

BPPLEE · Apr 2, 2024

California fast food franchisee slams new minimum wage, invests in Nevada over six-figure loss

After claiming to be out $470,000 due to California's $20 minimum wage hike, franchise operator Alex Johnson is moving future restaurant openings to Nevada.

www.foxbusiness.com

iluvatar5150 · Apr 2, 2024

BPPLEE said:
California fast food franchisee slams new minimum wage, invests in Nevada over six-figure loss

After claiming to be out $470,000 due to California's $20 minimum wage hike, franchise operator Alex Johnson is moving future restaurant openings to Nevada.

www.foxbusiness.com

To put that in a bit of perspective, he'd had to make another $128/day/store to cover the difference.

"We have a very finite set of economic conditions that need to be met for us to make money. And certainly, this bill has cast doubt [as] to whether we can continue in this state," Alex Johnson, owner of five Cinnabon and five Auntie Anne’s locations in San Francisco, said on "Varney & Co." Tuesday.

One of those conditions is apparently the ability to pay workers not enough to live on in a VHCOL area.

Perhaps mediocre mall-based chain restaurants isn't the best business opportunity in such a market. Perhaps he should consider investing in something with higher prices that can justify the higher labor costs.

BPPLEE · Apr 2, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
To put that in a bit of perspective, he'd had to make another $128/day/store to cover the difference.

One of those conditions is apparently the ability to pay workers not enough to live on in a VHCOL area.

Perhaps mediocre mall-based chain restaurants isn't the best business opportunity in such a market. Perhaps he should consider investing in something with higher prices that can justify the higher labor costs.

Maybe he’s doing what he knows how to do

rambot · Apr 2, 2024

BPPLEE said:
Maybe he’s doing what he knows how to do

Sounds like he needs to retrain and pull himself up by his bootstraps.

BPPLEE · Apr 2, 2024

rambot said:
Sounds like he needs to retrain and pull himself up by his bootstraps.

He is. He’s going to pull himself to another state

iluvatar5150 · Apr 2, 2024

BPPLEE said:
Maybe he’s doing what he knows how to do

Sinking money into something mediocre and unoriginal? I imagine you’re correct.

BPPLEE said:
He is. He’s going to pull himself to another state

From what I’ve heard of Vegas, he’s headed in the right direction.

rambot · Apr 2, 2024

BPPLEE said:
He is. He’s going to pull himself to another state

Ahh yes! Shooting for the lower bar! I'm sure a better businessman will figure it out.

BPPLEE · Apr 2, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
Sinking money into something mediocre and unoriginal? I imagine you’re correct.

From what I’ve heard of Vegas, he’s headed in the right direction.

You have a problem with Cinnabon?
You look down on people who operate franchises?
It’s not good enough?
Thank you for letting us know what you really think

BPPLEE · Apr 2, 2024

rambot said:
Ahh yes! Shooting for the lower bar! I'm sure a better businessman will figure it out.

You should go show him how to do it.

iluvatar5150 · Apr 2, 2024

BPPLEE said:
You have a problem with Cinnabon?
You look down on people who operate franchises?
It’s not good enough?
Thank you for letting us know what you really think

What I have a problem with is the implied notion that we ought to be prioritizing the ability of some well-heeled bro to open up more chain restaurants over the ability of the workers to make enough to pay rent. Why should labor policy favor that guy over his employees?

If he were providing some needed public service like daycares or nursing homes, then I could see there being a public interest in cutting him a break. But Cinnabons? No. We have enough Cinnabons. Society will chug along just fine without him opening more.

BPPLEE · Apr 2, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
What I have a problem with is the implied notion that we ought to be prioritizing the ability of some well-heeled bro to open up more chain restaurants over the ability of the workers to make enough to pay rent. Why should labor policy favor that guy over his employees?

If he were providing some needed public service like daycares or nursing homes, then I could see there being a public interest in cutting him a break. But Cinnabons? No. We have enough Cinnabons. Society will chug along just fine without him opening more.

And how many other franchises will go out of business? Society can survive without a lot of businesses but not everyone can survive without a job.
But you have it all figured out and eventually all businesses will run on solar power and pay $30 an hour

rambot · Apr 2, 2024

BPPLEE said:
You should go show him how to do it.

I'm perfectly happy to stay in my lane..Unless it's throwing out pedantic advice that everyone else gives too.

rambot · Apr 2, 2024

BPPLEE said:
And how many other franchises will go out of business?

i dont know. How many of them have abusive business models that require poor pay?

Also...it's fast food. America does not need more fast food. You guys are doing fine

BPPLEE said:
Society can survive without a lot of businesses but not everyone can survive without a job.

Pffft. A lot of people right now cant survive with a job

BPPLEE said:
But you have it all figured out and eventually all businesses will run on solar power and pay $30 an hour

weekEd · Apr 2, 2024

BPPLEE said:
And how many other franchises will go out of business? Society can survive without a lot of businesses but not everyone can survive without a job.
But you have it all figured out and eventually all businesses will run on solar power and pay $30 an hour

One guy will run the whole thing
It's called optimisation of productivity
They are trying it all over the world

iluvatar5150 · Apr 2, 2024

BPPLEE said:
And how many other franchises will go out of business? Society can survive without a lot of businesses but not everyone can survive without a job. But you have it all figured out and eventually all businesses will run on solar power and pay $30 an hour

He didn't say he was going to go out of business. He said he was going to invest his surplus capital elsewhere.

Also, we're talking about a guy running Cinnabons in San Francisco - the city with some of the highest real estate prices in the country. From googling around a little bit, I'm finding restaurant space leases in SF anywhere from $55-112/sq ft/yr. Here in Baltimore, they're more in the range of $18-$30/sq ft/yr. Not every business works in every location. If his sort of business can't afford to pay its workers, then maybe that area can't support his sort of business.

BPPLEE · Apr 2, 2024

rambot said:
I'm perfectly happy to stay in my lane..Unless it's throwing out pedantic advice that everyone else gives too.

It’s not a good look for people who claim to be the ones who really care about others to be looking down on people

BPPLEE · Apr 2, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
He didn't say he was going to go out of business. He said he was going to invest his surplus capital elsewhere.

Also, we're talking about a guy running Cinnabons in San Francisco - the city with some of the highest real estate prices in the country. From googling around a little bit, I'm finding restaurant space leases in SF anywhere from $55-112/sq ft/yr. Here in Baltimore, they're more in the range of $18-$30/sq ft/yr. Not every business works in every location. If his sort of business can't afford to pay its workers, then maybe that area can't support his sort of business.

Maybe so but I was sensing a bit of contempt in your post

iluvatar5150 · Apr 2, 2024

BPPLEE said:
Maybe so but I was sensing a bit of contempt in your post

Contempt is a bit strong of a word. I'd say it's more like ambivalence. I don't have any problem with Cinnabon or even necessarily with their rich bro owners. But I'm not going to place a high priority on them when it comes to the policies I choose to favor.

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