The Sabbath enters into the discussion in this way:What does the Sabbath have to do with it? The systematic theft already demonstrates the person is not a devout Christian.
Not at this time it doesn't. The time will come when it will demonstrate that but the entire world will understand the choice they are making.The Sabbath enters into the discussion in this way:
We both agree that,
as you say,
the systematic theft already demonstrates the person is not a devout Christian.
Now, would the systematic non-observance of the seventh day
demonstrate the person is not a devout Christian?
Very interesting!Not at this time it doesn't. The time will come when it will demonstrate that but the entire world will understand the choice they are making.
Only if they don't understand the issues involved and the Sabbath has been the focus of the devil's attacks for thousands of years so there are many layers of obfuscation and deception surrounding it. As the devil is rhe most powerful created being in the universe his ability to deceive is incredible. Only God's word can reveal his deceptions and we must rely on scripture implicitly. Most Christians do not do that. They choose traditions over scripture and popularity of beliefover truth even though the majority has always been wrong.Very interesting!
Are you saying that a person can set aside one of the Ten Commandments and still be a devout Christian?
Well, that's why I was bringing up the idea of God writing his laws on our hearts and minds in post #526.Only if they don't understand the issues involved and the Sabbath has been the focus of the devil's attacks for thousands of years so there are many layers of obfuscation and deception surrounding it. As the devil is rhe most powerful created being in the universe his ability to deceive is incredible.
Only God's word can reveal his deceptions and we must rely on scripture implicitly. Most Christians do not do that. They choose traditions over scripture and popularity of beliefover truth even though the majority has always been wrong.
We have to remember who Satan is. He is the most powerful being ever created. His power to deceive is so great he deceived 1/3 of the angels who lived in the very presence of God as to who God is. You really think that after living in a sinful world all of our lives we can detect his deceptions? All we know is sin. It is part and parcel of who we are.Well, that's why I was bringing up the idea of God writing his laws on our hearts and minds in post #526.
Can someone be deceived about what is written on their heart and mind? I don't think they can, because otherwise what is the purpose of writing something on someone's heart and mind?
But how does it look to you?
We have to remember who Satan is. He is the most powerful being ever created. His power to deceive is so great he deceived 1/3 of the angels who lived in the very presence of God as to who God is.
Yes, because we are born again. We are new creations.You really think that after living in a sinful world all of our lives we can detect his deceptions?
I agree that we still struggle with sin. But that is not all we know. We have the mind of ChristAll we know is sin. It is part and parcel of who we are.
I don't think it's easy to detect his lies, but I think we know what is written on our hearts and minds.We can't even agree on what is written in the heart and mind because he has so clouded the issues and yet you think there is no problem detecting his lies?
The Jewish people at that time were not part of the New Covenant.He convinced the Jews to crucify Jesus because of his hatred for our creator.
I didn't say thatAnd yet you think his deceptions aren't extremely powerful.
Amen!He's had 6000 years to study human nature and detect our flaws.
1Peter 5: 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Why did the coi have Aaron build a golden calf for them to worship less than 2 months after God spoke the 10 commandments from Sinai and throw an orgy?Yes, because we are born again. We are new creations.
This doesn't mean you can detect every single deception. But I think we know what is written on our hearts and minds.
I agree that we still struggle with sin. But that is not all we know. We have the mind of Christ
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 2:16 - New American Standard Bible
For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.www.biblegateway.com
I don't think it's easy to detect his lies, but I think we know what is written on our hearts and minds.
I think we probably do agree on what is written on our hearts and minds, we just express it differently
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Suppose you overheard a conversation that went like this:
John: What are you thinking about?
Jim: I'm thinking about going to the store.
-a little while later-
Jim: Earlier when I said I was thinking about going to the store, I was deceived. I only thought that's what I was thinking. I wasn't actually thinking that.
If I heard that I'd think Jim was one mixed up person. We can change our minds later, but of course we know what we are thinking.
The Jewish people at that time were not part of the New Covenant.
I didn't say that
Amen!
Because they are a stiff necked people.Why did the coi have Aaron build a golden calf for them to worship less than 2 months after God spoke the 10 commandments from Sinai and throw an orgy?
Wrong. The devil deceived them and had deceived them by them having lived in a pagan society for generations. That's no different than today. We are surrounded by paganism every day. It is pervasive in our society.
I can give you example after example of this from actors to musicians. All of them are into this and have been for decades.
Here is more on paganism in our society.
Gary, my man, I believe something went wrong with the way you quoted my postHere is more on paganism in our society.
When we fill our minds with the devil's messages as in listening to rock and roll and watch his movies and tv the analytical half of our brains shut down and his messages go straight to our subconcious mind. That changes our beliefs without us even knowing it.Gary, my man, I believe something went wrong with the way you quoted my post
I agree that there is a strong pagan influence in our society. At the same time, it's obvious to me that we know what is in our minds and written on our hearts.
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 8:10 - New American Standard Bible
FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT WHICH I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, DECLARES THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.www.biblegateway.com
You may wish to ponder this:
It is good to read the Bible. When we read the Bible, our eyes see markings on a page. They send that information to the brain. Our brains interpret those markings as English words. Those words are then in our mind. If we can be deceived about what is in our mind, then we can be deceived about what the Bible says. Thus, the Bible could not be used to know the truth.
Peace be with you, my man
Would you describe such a person as a serious, devout Christian?When we fill our minds with the devil's messages as in listening to rock and roll and watch his movies and tv the analytical half of our brains shut down and his messages go straight to our subconcious mind.
No, I didn't watch the videos. I already agree there is lots of paganism in our societyThat changes our beliefs without us even knowing it.
Did you even watch the videos? If you did and immediately dismissed the message contained in them the devil has implanted a lot of false beliefs in your subconcious mind. It takes a lot of prayer. self surrender. and Bible study to overcome this.
I know of people who thought they were serious devout Christians and they have walked away from God. It's happened to good friends of mine. One couple went into eastern mysticism and began sleeping around. The wife actually offered herself to me on a silver platter in front of him.. The other couple began drinking and the husband has turned into a big nosed alky. I've known both couples since high school.Would you describe such a person as a serious, devout Christian?
No, I didn't watch the videos. I already agree there is lots of paganism in our society
Peace be with you!