My Transgender Challenge

[AV1611VET]

The more I hear transgender people talk about being transgender, the less it sounds like a genuine disorder in many. But rather more something that's based on feelings. And a cultural thing. Some people want to be bikers and belong to a club like Hell's Angels. Others want to cowboys. Others want to be goths. Others want to be trans. Trans can mean all sorts of things; agender, bigender, pangender, nonbinary. It's very customizable. There appears to be a lot of narcissism involved.

Do you think science is working on it?

I notice the scientific elite around here seem to have lockjaw now.

Which is indicative of what happens, when I post a challenge.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Do you think science is working on it?

I notice the scientific elite around here seem to have lockjaw now.

Which is indicative of what happens, when I post a challenge.

I think in a lot of cases there isn't really anything for science to work on.

I mean what's the science involved regarding these people?:

 

[AV1611VET]

I think in a lot of cases there isn't really anything for science to work on.

I'm sure they'll think of something.

For example, in the late 14th century, "child in the womb" was changed to "fetus."

This was effective enough, in my opinion, to lead to Roe v Wade getting passed, as it removed the criminal aspect of murder.

Not to mention easing the conscience of anyone considering an abortion.

I mean what's the science involved regarding these people?

Since academia considers people as animals, I'd guess something on the order of they being "pack animals,"* or some such bologna.

* As opposed to "draft animals."

 

[rambot]

Do you think science is working on it?

I notice the scientific elite around here seem to have lockjaw now.

Which is indicative of what happens, when I post a challenge.

Can you help me understand what branch of science would do this research?

 

[chevyontheriver]

For example, in the late 14th century, "child in the womb" was changed to "fetus."

This was effective enough, in my opinion, to lead to Roe v Wade getting passed, as it removed the criminal aspect of murder.

Not to mention easing the conscience of anyone considering an abortion.

Huh?

What was the Middle English way of saying and spelling 'child in the womb'?
You do know that 'fetus' is just a Latin word. Latin Definitions for: fetus (Latin Search) - Latin Dictionary and Grammar Resources - Latdict
And I'm presuming you have documentation of the history of your supposed word change. And how that led to abortion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you help me understand what branch of science would do this research?

Does it matter?

Isn't consilience supposed to be the goal?

I'd say whichever branch gets there first, then the rest can readjust their figures and follow suit.

 

[BCP1928]

Do you care to answer my questions in the OP?

I think Ploverwing answered your questions fully and succinctly in post #2 in this thread. What more do you want?

 

[AV1611VET]

What was the Middle English way of saying and spelling 'child in the womb'?

Beats me.

I'll take a stab at it though and say:

Childe in the wombe.

You do know that 'fetus' is just a Latin word.

Yes.

I looked it up on the online etymology dictionary to get the century that "fetus" hit the airwaves.

Latin Definitions for: fetus (Latin Search) - Latin Dictionary and Grammar Resources - Latdict

fetus (n.)

late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring," from suffixed form of PIE root

SOURCE: Online Etymology Dictionary

And I'm presuming you have documentation of the history of your supposed word change.

Solomon wrote ...

Ecclesiastes 11:5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.

14th century academia plutos it to "fetus."

And how that led to abortion.

It's called "fragmentation of conscience" by M. Scott Peck.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think Ploverwing answered your questions fully and succinctly in post #2 in this thread.

So I take it you fully and succinctly agree with him?

What more do you want?

Well a "like" would have helped.

 

[Shemjaza]

It's based on detailed long term studies on patients and their reactions to therapy, as well as social, medical and surgical treatments,

Just like many other medical treatments it's impossible to treat the condition without the subjective input of the patient.

There are a multitude of statistical studies about the long term efficacy of treating gender dysphoria.


Just to be clear, I understand the forum rules don't allow me to support transgender people and treatment... but I feel I should be able to make statements of fact about how psychiatric treatments.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Cause and effect: I would guess that people's gender identities do have a cause, probably a complicated mix of genetics and development in utero and other factors.

Against their will: Some people report being miserable from gender dysphoria, so I'd say that those people's gender dysphoria is against their will.

Scientific study: From what I've read, scientists are currently studying the origins of gender identity and gender dysphoria, and they have not yet come to a consensus. Check back in a hundred years.

I’m wondering what may have caused this to be so much more common nowadays than in the previous centuries?

 

[Shemjaza]

I’m wondering what may have caused this to be so much more common nowadays than in the previous centuries?

It's not very common, it's just much more visible in our interconnected society... but an easy explanation is that it's not getting people immediately locked up or killed for indecency or sodomy.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You do realize God's children will get new names, do you not?

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

We even sing about it:

Hmm hadn’t realized that before thanks for pointing that out brother.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It's not very common, it's just much more visible in our interconnected society... but an easy explanation is that it's not getting people immediately locked up or killed for indecency or sodomy.

Ahh so it’s being allowed to spread now?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I look for them to come up with SOMETHING to justify transgenderism.

A gene, DNA, copy error, sunspots.

Something ... anything to justify it.

El Niño

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's true.

And I do have reservations about it.

But I must be true to doctrine.

Once saved, always saved.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

And IF Bruce Jenner got saved before he went haywire, then I have to respect his conversion.

Ok I hate to get off topic but James 5:19-20 actually says that a person who has passed from death to life can pass back to death again.

”My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.“
‭‭James‬ ‭5‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

I hope you don’t mind the off topic post brother.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The more I hear transgender people talk about being transgender, the less it sounds like a genuine disorder in many. But rather more something that's based on feelings. And a cultural thing. Some people want to be bikers and belong to a club like Hell's Angels. Others want to cowboys. Others want to be goths. Others want to be trans. Trans can mean all sorts of things; agender, bigender, pangender, nonbinary. It's very customizable. There appears to be a lot of narcissism involved.

My son wanted to be a fire truck until just recently.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I think in a lot of cases there isn't really anything for science to work on.

I mean what's the science involved regarding these people?:

Probably wayyyy too much testosterone. Lol

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok I hate to get off topic but James 5:19-20 actually says that a person who has passed from death to life can pass back to death again.

”My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.“
‭‭James‬ ‭5‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

I hope you don’t mind the off topic post brother.

Not at all, my friend!

God bless you!

 

[Chesterton]

The more I hear transgender people talk about being transgender, the less it sounds like a genuine disorder in many. But rather more something that's based on feelings. And a cultural thing. Some people want to be bikers and belong to a club like Hell's Angels. Others want to cowboys. Others want to be goths. Others want to be trans. Trans can mean all sorts of things; agender, bigender, pangender, nonbinary. It's very customizable. There appears to be a lot of narcissism involved.

When I was young I knew a guy, when I first met him was a pink-haired new waver, then became a violent racist skinhead, then became a Rastafarian reggae singer. I knew another guy who was a punk rocker who one day suddenly changed into a cowboy, with the cowboy hat and boots and Western shirts. My best guess is that people like this are just unhappy, and they think changing their outward identity will somehow make them happy. I think that's a naive thought. And I agree there's also narcissism involved.